Re: Cake 2 : Any sort of automatic schema creation from models?

2011-01-29 Thread AD7six 


On Jan 29, 6:01 am, maxarbos maxar...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I was responding to the the post from Ryan about 'bake' doing what I
 was asking for. When I 'run' a project in grails, that is when the
 table construction from a model is done, so i thought there was more
 to 'bake' than I had originally thought.

 I did go through the blog tutorial as well as the docs on how to
 create a model. And from what I remember, in both places I had to
 create the db table myself.

omg the manual labor. So where in the blog tutorial did it ask you to
define in the model the fields for the db table you'd just created?
Where is the suggestion that what you're asking for, edit properties
in a model, and the db schema alters to suit, is conceptually
compatible with cake?

 You give the docs too much credit to think that in 15 minutes I am
 supposed to understand why I have to create the db table: 'posts' by
 hand (http://book.cakephp.org/view/1530/Creating-the-Blog-Database)
 and then  little bit later have to create a model 'Post' with only a
 property of 'name' that = 'Post' with no other methods. And even then,
 the reason for that '$name' property isnt exactly clear as to why it's
 needed: 'The $name variable is always a good idea to add, and is used
 to overcome some class name oddness in PHP4.'

 I can understand the logic that the model is an interface to that
 table, but I dont remember seeing that outlined anywhere.

 So back to my original questions and just to be clear
 what you are saying is that the only way a table and it's rows are
 created are by manually creating them in the db myself, right?

That wasn't your original question - and the answer to that question
is also no.

I understand your original post as a whole to be summarized by:
I don't want to have to edit the db AND my php files - I want them to
be in sync - how do I do that? and the answer to that paraphrased
question is: you. just. edit. the. db.

Let's try and cover all bases:

* You're being boneheadedly stuborn ;) Cake doesn't work like that.
Like that no worky cake. Work like that not: cake.
* Cake bases the schema of your models of  the schema of the db it's
using, not the otherway around and it does this automatically.
* If you think the docs are wrong - edit them.
* WRT your question, bake generates view files which will reflect the
db schema at the time it is run.
* The book isn't intended to duplicate all the info that's in the api
- another source of info which I'd recommend looking at.
* There are other means of editing your db schema - such as the
migrations. They aren't in the core and won't ever be afaik

ht answers a few things.

AD

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Re: Cake 2 : Any sort of automatic schema creation from models?

2011-01-28 Thread maxarbos 
I read through the very minimal bake command documentation at: 9.1 and
9.2 in the docs, but it's pretty superficial.
The generation of the schema is a pretty big deal i think and
something that should be highlighted a little more, if this is what it
can do.

When I started with cake 1.3 a few months ago, I didnt see anything
that outlined this function. Going through some of the tutorials were
pretty lacking as well.

If there is someplace that has better information on this process,
please let me know and I would love to review it.

Thanks.

On Jan 27, 1:38 am, Ryan Schmidt google-2...@ryandesign.com wrote:
 On Jan 26, 2011, at 00:48, maxarbos wrote:

  So would the model be automatically be built with the correct
  properties and types by telling it which table to read from?

 That's what cake bake is all about, isn't it? Have you tried it?

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Re: Cake 2 : Any sort of automatic schema creation from models?

2011-01-28 Thread AD7six 


On Jan 28, 5:04 pm, maxarbos maxar...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I read through the very minimal bake command documentation at: 9.1 and
 9.2 in the docs, but it's pretty superficial.
 The generation of the schema is a pretty big deal i think and
 something that should be highlighted a little more, if this is what it
 can do.

 When I started with cake 1.3 a few months ago,

bake has very little to do with your question

In cake you edit your db tables however you want and create a model
file to represent your php interface to that table. Creating model
files is actually optional since cake will use an app model instance
for any referenced model which doesn't have a specific file. Therefore
if you add a table to your db foos and add this to your e.g. user
model:

var hasMany = array('Foo');

you can immediately do $this-Foo-find() in/from your user model.

The blog tutorial should have cemented this for you in the first 15
minute of using cake - if that wasn't the case for you I'd suggest you
edit the bit that didn't clarify that's how cake works.

AD

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Re: Cake 2 : Any sort of automatic schema creation from models?

2011-01-28 Thread maxarbos 
I was responding to the the post from Ryan about 'bake' doing what I
was asking for. When I 'run' a project in grails, that is when the
table construction from a model is done, so i thought there was more
to 'bake' than I had originally thought.

I did go through the blog tutorial as well as the docs on how to
create a model. And from what I remember, in both places I had to
create the db table myself.

You give the docs too much credit to think that in 15 minutes I am
supposed to understand why I have to create the db table: 'posts' by
hand (http://book.cakephp.org/view/1530/Creating-the-Blog-Database)
and then  little bit later have to create a model 'Post' with only a
property of 'name' that = 'Post' with no other methods. And even then,
the reason for that '$name' property isnt exactly clear as to why it's
needed: 'The $name variable is always a good idea to add, and is used
to overcome some class name oddness in PHP4.'

I can understand the logic that the model is an interface to that
table, but I dont remember seeing that outlined anywhere.

So back to my original questions and just to be clear
what you are saying is that the only way a table and it's rows are
created are by manually creating them in the db myself, right?




On Jan 28, 2:44 pm, AD7six andydawso...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Jan 28, 5:04 pm, maxarbos maxar...@yahoo.com wrote:

  I read through the very minimal bake command documentation at: 9.1 and
  9.2 in the docs, but it's pretty superficial.
  The generation of the schema is a pretty big deal i think and
  something that should be highlighted a little more, if this is what it
  can do.

  When I started with cake 1.3 a few months ago,

 bake has very little to do with your question

 In cake you edit your db tables however you want and create a model
 file to represent your php interface to that table. Creating model
 files is actually optional since cake will use an app model instance
 for any referenced model which doesn't have a specific file. Therefore
 if you add a table to your db foos and add this to your e.g. user
 model:

 var hasMany = array('Foo');

 you can immediately do $this-Foo-find() in/from your user model.

 The blog tutorial should have cemented this for you in the first 15
 minute of using cake - if that wasn't the case for you I'd suggest you
 edit the bit that didn't clarify that's how cake works.

 AD

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Re: Cake 2 : Any sort of automatic schema creation from models?

2011-01-28 Thread Ryan Schmidt 
On Jan 28, 2011, at 23:01, maxarbos wrote:
 On Jan 28, 2:44 pm, AD7six andydawso...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Jan 28, 5:04 pm, maxarbos maxar...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 I read through the very minimal bake command documentation at: 9.1 and
 9.2 in the docs, but it's pretty superficial.
 The generation of the schema is a pretty big deal i think and
 something that should be highlighted a little more, if this is what it
 can do.
 
 When I started with cake 1.3 a few months ago,
 
 bake has very little to do with your question
 
 I was responding to the the post from Ryan about 'bake' doing what I
 was asking for. When I 'run' a project in grails, that is when the
 table construction from a model is done, so i thought there was more
 to 'bake' than I had originally thought.


You create the database tables manually in the database. Then you use cake 
bake to create the model PHP file for you. Correct, the model PHP file might 
not contain a lot of lines of code; the default methods from the Model class 
are often sufficient for the basics. You can then add methods to your models as 
needed for specific functionality.


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Re: Cake 2 : Any sort of automatic schema creation from models?

2011-01-26 Thread Ryan Schmidt 

On Jan 26, 2011, at 00:48, maxarbos wrote:

 So would the model be automatically be built with the correct
 properties and types by telling it which table to read from?

That's what cake bake is all about, isn't it? Have you tried it?


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Cake 2 : Any sort of automatic schema creation from models?

2011-01-25 Thread maxarbos 
Hello,

Will cake2 have any sort of automatic table schema creation and
management?
I have been using grails for a bit and it has an orm built in that
creates and manages table schemas.
So to create a table for people i create a class: People and add
properties for firstName, lastName, etc... and if there is no 'People'
table, one is created with the fields: 'first_name', 'last_name'.

if i remove any property, that column is dropped.

I would prefer to not have to manage the tables and FK relationships
independantly of the application. (grails gives you the ability to set
specific field types, sizes, etc..but defaults to certain types/sizes
for 'Integer', 'String', etc...)

I see a package RedBeanPHP, but cannot get it working (due to my
knowledge limit on it) with the other LIght framework I am testing
out.

Thanks.

Cake 2 : Any sort of automatic schema creation from models?

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Re: Cake 2 : Any sort of automatic schema creation from models?

2011-01-25 Thread mark_story 
No.  Cake has always taken the approach of basing the models off the
schema, not the other way around.  This is not planned to change for
2.0.

-Mark

On Jan 25, 2:56 pm, maxarbos maxar...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hello,

 Will cake2 have any sort of automatic table schema creation and
 management?
 I have been using grails for a bit and it has an orm built in that
 creates and manages table schemas.
 So to create a table for people i create a class: People and add
 properties for firstName, lastName, etc... and if there is no 'People'
 table, one is created with the fields: 'first_name', 'last_name'.

 if i remove any property, that column is dropped.

 I would prefer to not have to manage the tables and FK relationships
 independantly of the application. (grails gives you the ability to set
 specific field types, sizes, etc..but defaults to certain types/sizes
 for 'Integer', 'String', etc...)

 I see a package RedBeanPHP, but cannot get it working (due to my
 knowledge limit on it) with the other LIght framework I am testing
 out.

 Thanks.

 Cake 2 : Any sort of automatic schema creation from models?

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Re: Cake 2 : Any sort of automatic schema creation from models?

2011-01-25 Thread maxarbos 
So would the model be automatically be built with the correct
properties and types by telling it which table to read from?
If I just have to setup the tables, that would work too, but what I
dont want is to have to maintain a model as well as a table structure
independently.


On Jan 25, 7:02 pm, mark_story mark.st...@gmail.com wrote:
 No.  Cake has always taken the approach of basing the models off the
 schema, not the other way around.  This is not planned to change for
 2.0.

 -Mark

 On Jan 25, 2:56 pm, maxarbos maxar...@yahoo.com wrote:

  Hello,

  Will cake2 have any sort of automatic table schema creation and
  management?
  I have been using grails for a bit and it has an orm built in that
  creates and manages table schemas.
  So to create a table for people i create a class: People and add
  properties for firstName, lastName, etc... and if there is no 'People'
  table, one is created with the fields: 'first_name', 'last_name'.

  if i remove any property, that column is dropped.

  I would prefer to not have to manage the tables and FK relationships
  independantly of the application. (grails gives you the ability to set
  specific field types, sizes, etc..but defaults to certain types/sizes
  for 'Integer', 'String', etc...)

  I see a package RedBeanPHP, but cannot get it working (due to my
  knowledge limit on it) with the other LIght framework I am testing
  out.

  Thanks.

  Cake 2 : Any sort of automatic schema creation from models?

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