Re: Jquery or Scriptalicious?
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Re: Jquery or Scriptalicious?
On Nov 3, 3:02 pm, 703designs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd love MooTools if they chose to namespace the library to a MOO or similar object and not change basic prototypes (even String is modified!). Unfortunately, it's hard to trust if you're running it around other scripts. I wonder how much Moo's performance has these dirty tricks to thank...if it doesn't then they're just shooting themselves in their collective feet. Thomas I've never done any performance benchmarking with mootools vs. something else, but I've always enjoyed the extensions to the Native prototypes. If you dig into the mootools code all the extensions to the Native prototypes are done very elegantly and designed not to overload existing methods. -Mark --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Jquery or Scriptalicious?
... if you believe so much in OOP and codes must be clean even if you have to write 10 line over 1 line to other framework then you should go with mootools or prototype. I don't want to start a flame war here, but that is _so_ not true. About mootools, at least (prototype does seem a bit verbose, but I don't use it much). Mootools code is succint, elegant and with a high power-to-LOC ratio. I know JQuery is minimalist, but mootools is a far cry from verbose. Plus, it's got a waaay better name!. /end rant On Nov 3, 10:24 pm, monmonja [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It really depends on how you program your code, if your not a fan of OOP then jQuery is for you, if you believe so much in OOP and codes must be clean even if you have to write 10 line over 1 line to other framework then you should go with mootools or prototype. This is just my opition but the lesser the codes the lesser the debugging time, the lesser the bugs, the more productive you will be so my vote is for jQuery. If you go with the prototype and scripta way, you should definitely would what to use thishttp://protoculous.wikeo.be/ On Nov 1, 3:37 am, Samuel DeVore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's my take for what little it's worth (note I use scripa/proto) if you want to use the ajax helper at this point you are tied to scripta/proto. now given that the stated plans in unofficial channels is that the helper is either being migrated to jQuery or being driving to a javascript _framwork_ agnostic place, it really doesn't matter. If on the otherhand you see yourself not feeling like the helper as it exists now will meet your needs and you will be wanting insight and help from people on this list on integrating javascript _framework_ into your project, then I would say that the responses to your question indicate, to me, that jQuery is a more of the current 'hotness' and you are likely to get more help from people jazzed up on jQuery. To me it is a question of who is going to help you if you need it and what do you think your projected needs are. See totally unhelpful answer ;) Sam D On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Gabriel Gilini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, mate, but prototype also supports all CSS3 selectors. ps: I never use cakephp's ajax helpers, and I love writing javascript Cheers Gabriel Gilini www.usosim.com.br [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Josey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I perfer jQuery as well. Many Bakers like prototype due to the javascript and ajax helpers that come with CakePHP. These make baking with JS quite a bit easier, not to mention faster however many Javascript experts would cringe to think that developers are using php helpers for the behavioral portion of their sites because the scripts are no longer unobtrusive. jQuery is very easy to learn and uses many of the same selectors that CSS 2 and 3 use making it incredibly easy to develop around. However, if you require a JS helper there is a jQuery helper for CakePHP called pQuery. http://www.ngcoders.com/php/pquery-php-and-jquery If not then spend some time at the jQuery API and read through the tutorials. http://docs.jquery.com/Main_Page I love jQuery. On Oct 30, 5:49 pm, Matthieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm gonna create a web app using CakePHP but I'm confused about chosing between Jquery or Scriptalious? Which one should I choose? Does it really matter? What's the differences between them? tks -- Monmonjahttp://monmonja.com/blog --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Jquery or Scriptalicious?
vote for jquery! :) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Jquery or Scriptalicious?
In addition to Samuel's comment jQuery has a wonderful Google Group where you can get a lot of the help you might need. http://groups.google.com/group/jquery-en?hl=en On Oct 31, 2:37 pm, Samuel DeVore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's my take for what little it's worth (note I use scripa/proto) if you want to use the ajax helper at this point you are tied to scripta/proto. now given that the stated plans in unofficial channels is that the helper is either being migrated to jQuery or being driving to a javascript _framwork_ agnostic place, it really doesn't matter. If on the otherhand you see yourself not feeling like the helper as it exists now will meet your needs and you will be wanting insight and help from people on this list on integrating javascript _framework_ into your project, then I would say that the responses to your question indicate, to me, that jQuery is a more of the current 'hotness' and you are likely to get more help from people jazzed up on jQuery. To me it is a question of who is going to help you if you need it and what do you think your projected needs are. See totally unhelpful answer ;) Sam D On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Gabriel Gilini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, mate, but prototype also supports all CSS3 selectors. ps: I never use cakephp's ajax helpers, and I love writing javascript Cheers Gabriel Gilini www.usosim.com.br [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Josey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I perfer jQuery as well. Many Bakers like prototype due to the javascript and ajax helpers that come with CakePHP. These make baking with JS quite a bit easier, not to mention faster however many Javascript experts would cringe to think that developers are using php helpers for the behavioral portion of their sites because the scripts are no longer unobtrusive. jQuery is very easy to learn and uses many of the same selectors that CSS 2 and 3 use making it incredibly easy to develop around. However, if you require a JS helper there is a jQuery helper for CakePHP called pQuery. http://www.ngcoders.com/php/pquery-php-and-jquery If not then spend some time at the jQuery API and read through the tutorials. http://docs.jquery.com/Main_Page I love jQuery. On Oct 30, 5:49 pm, Matthieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm gonna create a web app using CakePHP but I'm confused about chosing between Jquery or Scriptalious? Which one should I choose? Does it really matter? What's the differences between them? tks --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Jquery or Scriptalicious?
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 5:56 AM, mikeg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: vote for jquery! :) +1 Best regards. -- MARCELO DE F. ANDRADE (aka eleKtron) Belem, PA, Amazonia, Brazil Linux User #221105 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# links http://pa.slackwarebrasil.org/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Jquery or Scriptalicious?
Personally I'm a big fan of mootools. I learned it early on, and really like how it doesn't require you to 'relearn' javascript. Instead it gives you a good cross browser base, with some decent built- in animation effects. Regardless of what library you end up choosing you should learn the basics of Javascript as well. Not doing so is analogous to learning CakePHP without fully learning PHP. You end up putting yourself in a bind as soon as you encounter a problem that can't be solved with a few library/framework tricks. Like others have said, visit each projects site, and read the documentation and example code. Pick the library that works best for you. In general all the libraries are very well written and provide similar functionality. -Mark On Nov 3, 11:42 am, Marcelo Andrade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 5:56 AM, mikeg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: vote for jquery! :) +1 Best regards. -- MARCELO DE F. ANDRADE (aka eleKtron) Belem, PA, Amazonia, Brazil Linux User #221105 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# linkshttp://pa.slackwarebrasil.org/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Jquery or Scriptalicious?
I'd love MooTools if they chose to namespace the library to a MOO or similar object and not change basic prototypes (even String is modified!). Unfortunately, it's hard to trust if you're running it around other scripts. I wonder how much Moo's performance has these dirty tricks to thank...if it doesn't then they're just shooting themselves in their collective feet. Thomas On Nov 3, 1:47 pm, mark_story [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I'm a big fan of mootools. I learned it early on, and really like how it doesn't require you to 'relearn' javascript. Instead it gives you a good cross browser base, with some decent built- in animation effects. Regardless of what library you end up choosing you should learn the basics of Javascript as well. Not doing so is analogous to learning CakePHP without fully learning PHP. You end up putting yourself in a bind as soon as you encounter a problem that can't be solved with a few library/framework tricks. Like others have said, visit each projects site, and read the documentation and example code. Pick the library that works best for you. In general all the libraries are very well written and provide similar functionality. -Mark On Nov 3, 11:42 am, Marcelo Andrade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 5:56 AM, mikeg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: vote for jquery! :) +1 Best regards. -- MARCELO DE F. ANDRADE (aka eleKtron) Belem, PA, Amazonia, Brazil Linux User #221105 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# linkshttp://pa.slackwarebrasil.org/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Jquery or Scriptalicious?
It really depends on how you program your code, if your not a fan of OOP then jQuery is for you, if you believe so much in OOP and codes must be clean even if you have to write 10 line over 1 line to other framework then you should go with mootools or prototype. This is just my opition but the lesser the codes the lesser the debugging time, the lesser the bugs, the more productive you will be so my vote is for jQuery. If you go with the prototype and scripta way, you should definitely would what to use this http://protoculous.wikeo.be/ On Nov 1, 3:37 am, Samuel DeVore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's my take for what little it's worth (note I use scripa/proto) if you want to use the ajax helper at this point you are tied to scripta/proto. now given that the stated plans in unofficial channels is that the helper is either being migrated to jQuery or being driving to a javascript _framwork_ agnostic place, it really doesn't matter. If on the otherhand you see yourself not feeling like the helper as it exists now will meet your needs and you will be wanting insight and help from people on this list on integrating javascript _framework_ into your project, then I would say that the responses to your question indicate, to me, that jQuery is a more of the current 'hotness' and you are likely to get more help from people jazzed up on jQuery. To me it is a question of who is going to help you if you need it and what do you think your projected needs are. See totally unhelpful answer ;) Sam D On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Gabriel Gilini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, mate, but prototype also supports all CSS3 selectors. ps: I never use cakephp's ajax helpers, and I love writing javascript Cheers Gabriel Gilini www.usosim.com.br [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Josey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I perfer jQuery as well. Many Bakers like prototype due to the javascript and ajax helpers that come with CakePHP. These make baking with JS quite a bit easier, not to mention faster however many Javascript experts would cringe to think that developers are using php helpers for the behavioral portion of their sites because the scripts are no longer unobtrusive. jQuery is very easy to learn and uses many of the same selectors that CSS 2 and 3 use making it incredibly easy to develop around. However, if you require a JS helper there is a jQuery helper for CakePHP called pQuery. http://www.ngcoders.com/php/pquery-php-and-jquery If not then spend some time at the jQuery API and read through the tutorials. http://docs.jquery.com/Main_Page I love jQuery. On Oct 30, 5:49 pm, Matthieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm gonna create a web app using CakePHP but I'm confused about chosing between Jquery or Scriptalious? Which one should I choose? Does it really matter? What's the differences between them? tks -- Monmonja http://monmonja.com/blog --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Jquery or Scriptalicious?
I'm not sure what you mean by that. jQuery is written in JavaScript (not like MochiKit, which tries to make JavaScript look like Python). On Oct 31, 2:43 pm, Gabriel Gilini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The right answers is: learn real javascript Yes, the learning curve with jQuery is way lower, but when you really know javascript, take a look in proto ;) Gabriel Gilini www.usosim.com.br [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Samuel DeVore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's my take for what little it's worth (note I use scripa/proto) if you want to use the ajax helper at this point you are tied to scripta/proto. now given that the stated plans in unofficial channels is that the helper is either being migrated to jQuery or being driving to a javascript _framwork_ agnostic place, it really doesn't matter. If on the otherhand you see yourself not feeling like the helper as it exists now will meet your needs and you will be wanting insight and help from people on this list on integrating javascript _framework_ into your project, then I would say that the responses to your question indicate, to me, that jQuery is a more of the current 'hotness' and you are likely to get more help from people jazzed up on jQuery. To me it is a question of who is going to help you if you need it and what do you think your projected needs are. See totally unhelpful answer ;) Sam D On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Gabriel Gilini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, mate, but prototype also supports all CSS3 selectors. ps: I never use cakephp's ajax helpers, and I love writing javascript Cheers Gabriel Gilini www.usosim.com.br [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Josey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I perfer jQuery as well. Many Bakers like prototype due to the javascript and ajax helpers that come with CakePHP. These make baking with JS quite a bit easier, not to mention faster however many Javascript experts would cringe to think that developers are using php helpers for the behavioral portion of their sites because the scripts are no longer unobtrusive. jQuery is very easy to learn and uses many of the same selectors that CSS 2 and 3 use making it incredibly easy to develop around. However, if you require a JS helper there is a jQuery helper for CakePHP called pQuery. http://www.ngcoders.com/php/pquery-php-and-jquery If not then spend some time at the jQuery API and read through the tutorials. http://docs.jquery.com/Main_Page I love jQuery. On Oct 30, 5:49 pm, Matthieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm gonna create a web app using CakePHP but I'm confused about chosing between Jquery or Scriptalious? Which one should I choose? Does it really matter? What's the differences between them? tks --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Jquery or Scriptalicious?
I mean that there is a hell lot of people learning jQuery, not JavaScript these days. Every allegedly javascript developer should, at least, read the ECMA-262. Gabriel Gilini www.usosim.com.br [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 10:08 PM, 703designs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure what you mean by that. jQuery is written in JavaScript (not like MochiKit, which tries to make JavaScript look like Python). On Oct 31, 2:43 pm, Gabriel Gilini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The right answers is: learn real javascript Yes, the learning curve with jQuery is way lower, but when you really know javascript, take a look in proto ;) Gabriel Gilini www.usosim.com.br [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Samuel DeVore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's my take for what little it's worth (note I use scripa/proto) if you want to use the ajax helper at this point you are tied to scripta/proto. now given that the stated plans in unofficial channels is that the helper is either being migrated to jQuery or being driving to a javascript _framwork_ agnostic place, it really doesn't matter. If on the otherhand you see yourself not feeling like the helper as it exists now will meet your needs and you will be wanting insight and help from people on this list on integrating javascript _framework_ into your project, then I would say that the responses to your question indicate, to me, that jQuery is a more of the current 'hotness' and you are likely to get more help from people jazzed up on jQuery. To me it is a question of who is going to help you if you need it and what do you think your projected needs are. See totally unhelpful answer ;) Sam D On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Gabriel Gilini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, mate, but prototype also supports all CSS3 selectors. ps: I never use cakephp's ajax helpers, and I love writing javascript Cheers Gabriel Gilini www.usosim.com.br [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Josey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I perfer jQuery as well. Many Bakers like prototype due to the javascript and ajax helpers that come with CakePHP. These make baking with JS quite a bit easier, not to mention faster however many Javascript experts would cringe to think that developers are using php helpers for the behavioral portion of their sites because the scripts are no longer unobtrusive. jQuery is very easy to learn and uses many of the same selectors that CSS 2 and 3 use making it incredibly easy to develop around. However, if you require a JS helper there is a jQuery helper for CakePHP called pQuery. http://www.ngcoders.com/php/pquery-php-and-jquery If not then spend some time at the jQuery API and read through the tutorials. http://docs.jquery.com/Main_Page I love jQuery. On Oct 30, 5:49 pm, Matthieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm gonna create a web app using CakePHP but I'm confused about chosing between Jquery or Scriptalious? Which one should I choose? Does it really matter? What's the differences between them? tks --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Jquery or Scriptalicious?
Except for using what's provided (being a light library), you can't get very far in jQuery without learning JavaScript unless you plan to only reuse other peoples' code. On Nov 2, 7:38 pm, Gabriel Gilini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mean that there is a hell lot of people learning jQuery, not JavaScript these days. Every allegedly javascript developer should, at least, read the ECMA-262. Gabriel Gilini www.usosim.com.br [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 10:08 PM, 703designs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure what you mean by that. jQuery is written in JavaScript (not like MochiKit, which tries to make JavaScript look like Python). On Oct 31, 2:43 pm, Gabriel Gilini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The right answers is: learn real javascript Yes, the learning curve with jQuery is way lower, but when you really know javascript, take a look in proto ;) Gabriel Gilini www.usosim.com.br [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Samuel DeVore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's my take for what little it's worth (note I use scripa/proto) if you want to use the ajax helper at this point you are tied to scripta/proto. now given that the stated plans in unofficial channels is that the helper is either being migrated to jQuery or being driving to a javascript _framwork_ agnostic place, it really doesn't matter. If on the otherhand you see yourself not feeling like the helper as it exists now will meet your needs and you will be wanting insight and help from people on this list on integrating javascript _framework_ into your project, then I would say that the responses to your question indicate, to me, that jQuery is a more of the current 'hotness' and you are likely to get more help from people jazzed up on jQuery. To me it is a question of who is going to help you if you need it and what do you think your projected needs are. See totally unhelpful answer ;) Sam D On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Gabriel Gilini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, mate, but prototype also supports all CSS3 selectors. ps: I never use cakephp's ajax helpers, and I love writing javascript Cheers Gabriel Gilini www.usosim.com.br [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Josey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I perfer jQuery as well. Many Bakers like prototype due to the javascript and ajax helpers that come with CakePHP. These make baking with JS quite a bit easier, not to mention faster however many Javascript experts would cringe to think that developers are using php helpers for the behavioral portion of their sites because the scripts are no longer unobtrusive. jQuery is very easy to learn and uses many of the same selectors that CSS 2 and 3 use making it incredibly easy to develop around. However, if you require a JS helper there is a jQuery helper for CakePHP called pQuery. http://www.ngcoders.com/php/pquery-php-and-jquery If not then spend some time at the jQuery API and read through the tutorials. http://docs.jquery.com/Main_Page I love jQuery. On Oct 30, 5:49 pm, Matthieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm gonna create a web app using CakePHP but I'm confused about chosing between Jquery or Scriptalious? Which one should I choose? Does it really matter? What's the differences between them? tks --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Jquery or Scriptalicious?
Prototype developers tried to make it like Ruby as well :P On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 6:08 AM, 703designs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure what you mean by that. jQuery is written in JavaScript (not like MochiKit, which tries to make JavaScript look like Python). On Oct 31, 2:43 pm, Gabriel Gilini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The right answers is: learn real javascript Yes, the learning curve with jQuery is way lower, but when you really know javascript, take a look in proto ;) Gabriel Gilini www.usosim.com.br [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Samuel DeVore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's my take for what little it's worth (note I use scripa/proto) if you want to use the ajax helper at this point you are tied to scripta/proto. now given that the stated plans in unofficial channels is that the helper is either being migrated to jQuery or being driving to a javascript _framwork_ agnostic place, it really doesn't matter. If on the otherhand you see yourself not feeling like the helper as it exists now will meet your needs and you will be wanting insight and help from people on this list on integrating javascript _framework_ into your project, then I would say that the responses to your question indicate, to me, that jQuery is a more of the current 'hotness' and you are likely to get more help from people jazzed up on jQuery. To me it is a question of who is going to help you if you need it and what do you think your projected needs are. See totally unhelpful answer ;) Sam D On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Gabriel Gilini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, mate, but prototype also supports all CSS3 selectors. ps: I never use cakephp's ajax helpers, and I love writing javascript Cheers Gabriel Gilini www.usosim.com.br [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Josey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I perfer jQuery as well. Many Bakers like prototype due to the javascript and ajax helpers that come with CakePHP. These make baking with JS quite a bit easier, not to mention faster however many Javascript experts would cringe to think that developers are using php helpers for the behavioral portion of their sites because the scripts are no longer unobtrusive. jQuery is very easy to learn and uses many of the same selectors that CSS 2 and 3 use making it incredibly easy to develop around. However, if you require a JS helper there is a jQuery helper for CakePHP called pQuery. http://www.ngcoders.com/php/pquery-php-and-jquery If not then spend some time at the jQuery API and read through the tutorials. http://docs.jquery.com/Main_Page I love jQuery. On Oct 30, 5:49 pm, Matthieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm gonna create a web app using CakePHP but I'm confused about chosing between Jquery or Scriptalious? Which one should I choose? Does it really matter? What's the differences between them? tks -- Anupom Syam http://syamantics.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Jquery or Scriptalicious?
And what do you think about YUI ? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Jquery or Scriptalicious?
YUI? Slow, bloated, but pretty. Dojo done wrong. On Nov 1, 5:55 am, frederic bollon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And what do you think about YUI ? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Jquery or Scriptalicious?
ps: Now I'm thinking about totally switching to haXe, but that's another story... I've done some development in haXe, it's very interesting... On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 11:58 AM, grigri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JQuery or Scriptalicious? Mootools for me. But to each his own... On Oct 31, 10:18 am, Dardo Sordi Bogado [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Jquery is better, based purely in that it's so easy and intuitive to use/extend that you will need no helper. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 7:26 AM, Anupom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think PHP helper for writing Javascript is a very bad idea. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:23 PM, martinp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite the fact that CakePHP comes with a Scriptaculous-powered AJAX Helper, I find JQuery so much easier to use that you don't really need a helper. On Oct 31, 9:30 am, Gianluca Gentile [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jQuery . On Oct 30, 11:49 pm, Matthieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm gonna create a web app using CakePHP but I'm confused about chosing between Jquery or Scriptalious? Which one should I choose? Does it really matter? What's the differences between them? tks -- Anupom Syam http://syamantics.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Jquery or Scriptalicious?
Try em both. See you which you prefer. But I vote for jquery. The jquery website is really good with loads of links to tutorials and working examples of everything and even better it is quick now too. On Oct 30, 10:49 pm, Matthieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm gonna create a web app using CakePHP but I'm confused about chosing between Jquery or Scriptalious? Which one should I choose? Does it really matter? What's the differences between them? tks --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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jQuery . On Oct 30, 11:49 pm, Matthieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm gonna create a web app using CakePHP but I'm confused about chosing between Jquery or Scriptalious? Which one should I choose? Does it really matter? What's the differences between them? tks --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Jquery or Scriptalicious?
Despite the fact that CakePHP comes with a Scriptaculous-powered AJAX Helper, I find JQuery so much easier to use that you don't really need a helper. On Oct 31, 9:30 am, Gianluca Gentile [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jQuery . On Oct 30, 11:49 pm, Matthieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm gonna create a web app using CakePHP but I'm confused about chosing between Jquery or Scriptalious? Which one should I choose? Does it really matter? What's the differences between them? tks --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Jquery or Scriptalicious?
I think Jquery is better, based purely in that it's so easy and intuitive to use/extend that you will need no helper. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 7:26 AM, Anupom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think PHP helper for writing Javascript is a very bad idea. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:23 PM, martinp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite the fact that CakePHP comes with a Scriptaculous-powered AJAX Helper, I find JQuery so much easier to use that you don't really need a helper. On Oct 31, 9:30 am, Gianluca Gentile [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jQuery . On Oct 30, 11:49 pm, Matthieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm gonna create a web app using CakePHP but I'm confused about chosing between Jquery or Scriptalious? Which one should I choose? Does it really matter? What's the differences between them? tks -- Anupom Syam http://syamantics.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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JQuery or Scriptalicious? Mootools for me. But to each his own... On Oct 31, 10:18 am, Dardo Sordi Bogado [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Jquery is better, based purely in that it's so easy and intuitive to use/extend that you will need no helper. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 7:26 AM, Anupom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think PHP helper for writing Javascript is a very bad idea. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:23 PM, martinp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite the fact that CakePHP comes with a Scriptaculous-powered AJAX Helper, I find JQuery so much easier to use that you don't really need a helper. On Oct 31, 9:30 am, Gianluca Gentile [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jQuery . On Oct 30, 11:49 pm, Matthieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm gonna create a web app using CakePHP but I'm confused about chosing between Jquery or Scriptalious? Which one should I choose? Does it really matter? What's the differences between them? tks -- Anupom Syam http://syamantics.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Jquery or Scriptalicious?
I think PHP helper for writing Javascript is a very bad idea. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:23 PM, martinp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite the fact that CakePHP comes with a Scriptaculous-powered AJAX Helper, I find JQuery so much easier to use that you don't really need a helper. On Oct 31, 9:30 am, Gianluca Gentile [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jQuery . On Oct 30, 11:49 pm, Matthieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm gonna create a web app using CakePHP but I'm confused about chosing between Jquery or Scriptalious? Which one should I choose? Does it really matter? What's the differences between them? tks -- Anupom Syam http://syamantics.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Jquery or Scriptalicious?
@Anupom: Any arguments? Anupom schreef: I think PHP helper for writing Javascript is a very bad idea. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:23 PM, martinp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite the fact that CakePHP comes with a Scriptaculous-powered AJAX Helper, I find JQuery so much easier to use that you don't really need a helper. On Oct 31, 9:30 am, Gianluca Gentile [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jQuery . On Oct 30, 11:49 pm, Matthieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm gonna create a web app using CakePHP but I'm confused about chosing between Jquery or Scriptalious? Which one should I choose? Does it really matter? What's the differences between them? tks -- Anupom Syam http://syamantics.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Jquery or Scriptalicious?
Looks like I'm the only one who loves prototype here :) Gabriel Gilini www.usosim.com.br [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Marcelius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: @Anupom: Any arguments? Anupom schreef: I think PHP helper for writing Javascript is a very bad idea. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:23 PM, martinp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite the fact that CakePHP comes with a Scriptaculous-powered AJAX Helper, I find JQuery so much easier to use that you don't really need a helper. On Oct 31, 9:30 am, Gianluca Gentile [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jQuery . On Oct 30, 11:49 pm, Matthieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm gonna create a web app using CakePHP but I'm confused about chosing between Jquery or Scriptalious? Which one should I choose? Does it really matter? What's the differences between them? tks -- Anupom Syam http://syamantics.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Jquery or Scriptalicious?
I perfer jQuery as well. Many Bakers like prototype due to the javascript and ajax helpers that come with CakePHP. These make baking with JS quite a bit easier, not to mention faster however many Javascript experts would cringe to think that developers are using php helpers for the behavioral portion of their sites because the scripts are no longer unobtrusive. jQuery is very easy to learn and uses many of the same selectors that CSS 2 and 3 use making it incredibly easy to develop around. However, if you require a JS helper there is a jQuery helper for CakePHP called pQuery. http://www.ngcoders.com/php/pquery-php-and-jquery If not then spend some time at the jQuery API and read through the tutorials. http://docs.jquery.com/Main_Page I love jQuery. On Oct 30, 5:49 pm, Matthieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm gonna create a web app using CakePHP but I'm confused about chosing between Jquery or Scriptalious? Which one should I choose? Does it really matter? What's the differences between them? tks --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Jquery or Scriptalicious?
I think PHP helper for writing Javascript is a very bad idea.
I would say it depends on the purpose...
Let's take an example of AJAX form validation, why not have $form-
input() transparently supply jquery hooks to make it happen?
The developer might only be concerned with including the library (and
plugin), and even that can happen by doing $javascript-
jquery('formValidation');
On Oct 31, 5:26 am, Anupom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think PHP helper for writing Javascript is a very bad idea.
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:23 PM, martinp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Despite the fact that CakePHP comes with a Scriptaculous-powered AJAX
Helper, I find JQuery so much easier to use that you don't really need
a helper.
On Oct 31, 9:30 am, Gianluca Gentile [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
jQuery .
On Oct 30, 11:49 pm, Matthieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello,
I'm gonna create a web app using CakePHP but I'm confused about
chosing between Jquery or Scriptalious? Which one should I choose?
Does it really matter? What's the differences between them?
tks
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Re: Jquery or Scriptalicious?
JQuery has more available animation plugins than Scriptaculous +Prototype.js Although JQuery has a compatibility mode, which permits it to live in the same room with Prototacolous. DF. On Oct 30, 8:49 pm, Matthieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm gonna create a web app using CakePHP but I'm confused about chosing between Jquery or Scriptalious? Which one should I choose? Does it really matter? What's the differences between them? tks --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Jquery or Scriptalicious?
I agree in most cases. JavaScript code should be unobtrusive and only be written once, especially when already using a framework (like jQuery). I can almost see the value in generating widgets, but really the only thing that Cake should do is provide utility scripts and use naming conventions (FormHelper could use CSS classes that validation scripts target, etc.). Does JavaScriptHelper actually generate JS code? I've never used it because I use jQuery and write all of my own scripts. Thomas On Oct 31, 6:18 am, Dardo Sordi Bogado [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Jquery is better, based purely in that it's so easy and intuitive to use/extend that you will need no helper. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 7:26 AM, Anupom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think PHP helper for writing Javascript is a very bad idea. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:23 PM, martinp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite the fact that CakePHP comes with a Scriptaculous-powered AJAX Helper, I find JQuery so much easier to use that you don't really need a helper. On Oct 31, 9:30 am, Gianluca Gentile [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jQuery . On Oct 30, 11:49 pm, Matthieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm gonna create a web app using CakePHP but I'm confused about chosing between Jquery or Scriptalious? Which one should I choose? Does it really matter? What's the differences between them? tks -- Anupom Syam http://syamantics.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Jquery or Scriptalicious?
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 6:27 PM, Marcelius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: @Anupom: Any arguments? Anupom schreef: I think PHP helper for writing Javascript is a very bad idea. Find my points below, It minimizes the code but maximizes the chance of error It's really becomes hard to debug We should write unobtrusive Javascript In almost 99% cases we need to write custom JS logics. Unfortunately we cant write it using PHP. Most of the PHP devs know or should know how to write Javascript. At least what those helpers can do - it's easy man! JS itself is not that hard that, any PHP dev should be able learn it quickly JS libraries are very easy to learn as well It becomes hard to manage/modify or extend If you really want to use cool JS stuffs and you think you cant - then I would recommend you to hire a JS Ninja or become one. It will be far better than writing PHP to output JS. JS libraries are their to minimize your effort, maximize reusability Why do we need to use PHP? Less control, less flexibility. and we are getting almost nothing good in return. And I can tell you some more points, if you really want to know. I would rather ask you what's the benefit of using PHP to output Javascript? To me still it's really a weird idea! On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:23 PM, martinp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite the fact that CakePHP comes with a Scriptaculous-powered AJAX Helper, I find JQuery so much easier to use that you don't really need a helper. On Oct 31, 9:30 am, Gianluca Gentile [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jQuery . On Oct 30, 11:49 pm, Matthieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm gonna create a web app using CakePHP but I'm confused about chosing between Jquery or Scriptalious? Which one should I choose? Does it really matter? What's the differences between them? tks -- Anupom Syam http://syamantics.com/ -- Anupom Syam http://syamantics.com/ http://www.anupom.wordpress.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Jquery or Scriptalicious?
I think we've moved off topic since the question wasn't about helpers, though I agree 100% with Anupom. It seems that the majority prefer jQuery but it's just that, a preference. I also agree with Flipflops. You should visit the official site of both libraries and do a bit of research and testing for yourself. Prototype has more widgets or plugins built by 3rd parties but jQuery seems to be one of the fastest growing and many, including myself, consider it the easiest to use with the smallest learning curve. On Oct 31, 10:01 am, Anupom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 6:27 PM, Marcelius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: @Anupom: Any arguments? Anupom schreef: I think PHP helper for writing Javascript is a very bad idea. Find my points below, It minimizes the code but maximizes the chance of error It's really becomes hard to debug We should write unobtrusive Javascript In almost 99% cases we need to write custom JS logics. Unfortunately we cant write it using PHP. Most of the PHP devs know or should know how to write Javascript. At least what those helpers can do - it's easy man! JS itself is not that hard that, any PHP dev should be able learn it quickly JS libraries are very easy to learn as well It becomes hard to manage/modify or extend If you really want to use cool JS stuffs and you think you cant - then I would recommend you to hire a JS Ninja or become one. It will be far better than writing PHP to output JS. JS libraries are their to minimize your effort, maximize reusability Why do we need to use PHP? Less control, less flexibility. and we are getting almost nothing good in return. And I can tell you some more points, if you really want to know. I would rather ask you what's the benefit of using PHP to output Javascript? To me still it's really a weird idea! On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:23 PM, martinp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite the fact that CakePHP comes with a Scriptaculous-powered AJAX Helper, I find JQuery so much easier to use that you don't really need a helper. On Oct 31, 9:30 am, Gianluca Gentile [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jQuery . On Oct 30, 11:49 pm, Matthieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm gonna create a web app using CakePHP but I'm confused about chosing between Jquery or Scriptalious? Which one should I choose? Does it really matter? What's the differences between them? tks -- Anupom Syam http://syamantics.com/ -- Anupom Syamhttp://syamantics.com/http://www.anupom.wordpress.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Jquery or Scriptalicious?
As lots of people have said you miss out on the helpers with jQuery, but if you don't like Prototype then its no great loss - but anyway what I've stared doing is writing a my own bake templates (ad7six wrote a really handy introduction http://www.ad7six.com/MiBlog/CustomBakeTemplates) which i have edited to include all the hooks (mostly css class names) and my jQuery scripts just work off those. Lets face it bake is pretty good, but you can still spend an age editing it all, especially the index views so you might as well get it set up how you like to begin with. Honestly I wish I'd bothered to do this a year ago. On Oct 30, 10:49 pm, Matthieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm gonna create a web app using CakePHP but I'm confused about chosing between Jquery or Scriptalious? Which one should I choose? Does it really matter? What's the differences between them? tks --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Jquery or Scriptalicious?
I prefer Mootools too. It's very lightweight. The API is, IMHO, much cleaner and more convenient than Prototype/scriptaculous'. And there is this dom:ready event, that AFAIK prototype has not. ++ Clément ps: Now I'm thinking about totally switching to haXe, but that's another story... On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 11:58 AM, grigri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JQuery or Scriptalicious? Mootools for me. But to each his own... On Oct 31, 10:18 am, Dardo Sordi Bogado [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Jquery is better, based purely in that it's so easy and intuitive to use/extend that you will need no helper. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 7:26 AM, Anupom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think PHP helper for writing Javascript is a very bad idea. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:23 PM, martinp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite the fact that CakePHP comes with a Scriptaculous-powered AJAX Helper, I find JQuery so much easier to use that you don't really need a helper. On Oct 31, 9:30 am, Gianluca Gentile [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jQuery . On Oct 30, 11:49 pm, Matthieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm gonna create a web app using CakePHP but I'm confused about chosing between Jquery or Scriptalious? Which one should I choose? Does it really matter? What's the differences between them? tks -- Anupom Syam http://syamantics.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Jquery or Scriptalicious?
And there is this dom:ready event, that AFAIK prototype has not. Prototype has got a dom: loaded event from 1.6v :) On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:13 PM, clemos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I prefer Mootools too. It's very lightweight. The API is, IMHO, much cleaner and more convenient than Prototype/scriptaculous'. And there is this dom:ready event, that AFAIK prototype has not. ++ Clément ps: Now I'm thinking about totally switching to haXe, but that's another story... On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 11:58 AM, grigri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JQuery or Scriptalicious? Mootools for me. But to each his own... On Oct 31, 10:18 am, Dardo Sordi Bogado [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Jquery is better, based purely in that it's so easy and intuitive to use/extend that you will need no helper. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 7:26 AM, Anupom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think PHP helper for writing Javascript is a very bad idea. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:23 PM, martinp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite the fact that CakePHP comes with a Scriptaculous-powered AJAX Helper, I find JQuery so much easier to use that you don't really need a helper. On Oct 31, 9:30 am, Gianluca Gentile [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jQuery . On Oct 30, 11:49 pm, Matthieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm gonna create a web app using CakePHP but I'm confused about chosing between Jquery or Scriptalious? Which one should I choose? Does it really matter? What's the differences between them? tks -- Anupom Syam http://syamantics.com/ -- Anupom Syam TrippertLabs, Dhaka http://www.anupom.wordpress.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Jquery or Scriptalicious?
Sorry, mate, but prototype also supports all CSS3 selectors. ps: I never use cakephp's ajax helpers, and I love writing javascript Cheers Gabriel Gilini www.usosim.com.br [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Josey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I perfer jQuery as well. Many Bakers like prototype due to the javascript and ajax helpers that come with CakePHP. These make baking with JS quite a bit easier, not to mention faster however many Javascript experts would cringe to think that developers are using php helpers for the behavioral portion of their sites because the scripts are no longer unobtrusive. jQuery is very easy to learn and uses many of the same selectors that CSS 2 and 3 use making it incredibly easy to develop around. However, if you require a JS helper there is a jQuery helper for CakePHP called pQuery. http://www.ngcoders.com/php/pquery-php-and-jquery If not then spend some time at the jQuery API and read through the tutorials. http://docs.jquery.com/Main_Page I love jQuery. On Oct 30, 5:49 pm, Matthieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm gonna create a web app using CakePHP but I'm confused about chosing between Jquery or Scriptalious? Which one should I choose? Does it really matter? What's the differences between them? tks --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Jquery or Scriptalicious?
Here's my take for what little it's worth (note I use scripa/proto) if you want to use the ajax helper at this point you are tied to scripta/proto. now given that the stated plans in unofficial channels is that the helper is either being migrated to jQuery or being driving to a javascript _framwork_ agnostic place, it really doesn't matter. If on the otherhand you see yourself not feeling like the helper as it exists now will meet your needs and you will be wanting insight and help from people on this list on integrating javascript _framework_ into your project, then I would say that the responses to your question indicate, to me, that jQuery is a more of the current 'hotness' and you are likely to get more help from people jazzed up on jQuery. To me it is a question of who is going to help you if you need it and what do you think your projected needs are. See totally unhelpful answer ;) Sam D On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Gabriel Gilini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, mate, but prototype also supports all CSS3 selectors. ps: I never use cakephp's ajax helpers, and I love writing javascript Cheers Gabriel Gilini www.usosim.com.br [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Josey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I perfer jQuery as well. Many Bakers like prototype due to the javascript and ajax helpers that come with CakePHP. These make baking with JS quite a bit easier, not to mention faster however many Javascript experts would cringe to think that developers are using php helpers for the behavioral portion of their sites because the scripts are no longer unobtrusive. jQuery is very easy to learn and uses many of the same selectors that CSS 2 and 3 use making it incredibly easy to develop around. However, if you require a JS helper there is a jQuery helper for CakePHP called pQuery. http://www.ngcoders.com/php/pquery-php-and-jquery If not then spend some time at the jQuery API and read through the tutorials. http://docs.jquery.com/Main_Page I love jQuery. On Oct 30, 5:49 pm, Matthieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm gonna create a web app using CakePHP but I'm confused about chosing between Jquery or Scriptalious? Which one should I choose? Does it really matter? What's the differences between them? tks --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Jquery or Scriptalicious?
The right answers is: learn real javascript Yes, the learning curve with jQuery is way lower, but when you really know javascript, take a look in proto ;) Gabriel Gilini www.usosim.com.br [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Samuel DeVore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's my take for what little it's worth (note I use scripa/proto) if you want to use the ajax helper at this point you are tied to scripta/proto. now given that the stated plans in unofficial channels is that the helper is either being migrated to jQuery or being driving to a javascript _framwork_ agnostic place, it really doesn't matter. If on the otherhand you see yourself not feeling like the helper as it exists now will meet your needs and you will be wanting insight and help from people on this list on integrating javascript _framework_ into your project, then I would say that the responses to your question indicate, to me, that jQuery is a more of the current 'hotness' and you are likely to get more help from people jazzed up on jQuery. To me it is a question of who is going to help you if you need it and what do you think your projected needs are. See totally unhelpful answer ;) Sam D On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Gabriel Gilini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, mate, but prototype also supports all CSS3 selectors. ps: I never use cakephp's ajax helpers, and I love writing javascript Cheers Gabriel Gilini www.usosim.com.br [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Josey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I perfer jQuery as well. Many Bakers like prototype due to the javascript and ajax helpers that come with CakePHP. These make baking with JS quite a bit easier, not to mention faster however many Javascript experts would cringe to think that developers are using php helpers for the behavioral portion of their sites because the scripts are no longer unobtrusive. jQuery is very easy to learn and uses many of the same selectors that CSS 2 and 3 use making it incredibly easy to develop around. However, if you require a JS helper there is a jQuery helper for CakePHP called pQuery. http://www.ngcoders.com/php/pquery-php-and-jquery If not then spend some time at the jQuery API and read through the tutorials. http://docs.jquery.com/Main_Page I love jQuery. On Oct 30, 5:49 pm, Matthieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm gonna create a web app using CakePHP but I'm confused about chosing between Jquery or Scriptalious? Which one should I choose? Does it really matter? What's the differences between them? tks --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Jquery or Scriptalicious?
Hello, I'm gonna create a web app using CakePHP but I'm confused about chosing between Jquery or Scriptalious? Which one should I choose? Does it really matter? What's the differences between them? tks --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Jquery or Scriptalicious?
Personally, I use jQuery because I like the lightweight library. cakePHP does have Helper that works together with Prototype which can make development a bit easier. I think what it comes down to is which library you are more comfortable working with. On Oct 30, 3:49 pm, Matthieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm gonna create a web app using CakePHP but I'm confused about chosing between Jquery or Scriptalious? Which one should I choose? Does it really matter? What's the differences between them? tks --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Jquery or Scriptalicious?
jQuery is lighter and better engineered. It's becoming the runaway favorite amongst web developers right now. On Oct 30, 8:00 pm, jjh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I use jQuery because I like the lightweight library. cakePHP does have Helper that works together with Prototype which can make development a bit easier. I think what it comes down to is which library you are more comfortable working with. On Oct 30, 3:49 pm, Matthieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm gonna create a web app using CakePHP but I'm confused about chosing between Jquery or Scriptalious? Which one should I choose? Does it really matter? What's the differences between them? tks --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Jquery or Scriptalicious?
another vote for jquery On Oct 30, 6:49 pm, Matthieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm gonna create a web app using CakePHP but I'm confused about chosing between Jquery or Scriptalious? Which one should I choose? Does it really matter? What's the differences between them? tks --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Jquery or Scriptalicious?
Don't mean to hijack this threadbut Anyone recommend some good articles for jquery and cakephp ? Or any recommend jquery books ? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Jquery or Scriptalicious?
JQuery is a complete Javascript library whereas Scriptaculous is a JS animation library - which is kinda like addon to the Prototype library ( they call it a framework though! ). How can we compare them, I think you want to chose between jQuery and Prototype+Scriptaculous? My vote will definately go for jQuery. It's lightweight, it has got a much better selector, faster dom searching, better use of design patterns, thousands of plugins, fluent interface blah blah.. :) On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 4:49 AM, Matthieu [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hello, I'm gonna create a web app using CakePHP but I'm confused about chosing between Jquery or Scriptalious? Which one should I choose? Does it really matter? What's the differences between them? tks -- Anupom Syam http://syamantics.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CakePHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
