RE: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR

Several people have emailed and asked us why the wildlife drive was closed.
We do not know, we went there at 1pm and the visitors center was closed and
the gate was closed on the wildlife drive. We just thought we would pass it
on in case anyone else was headed there. We imagine it was because of Sandy
but, that is only a guess.

 

Wade and Melissa

 

From: Janet Akin [mailto:ja...@rochester.rr.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 6:53 PM
To: cobra
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR

 

Why? Mud was hoping to head over there tomorrow. It was muddy last week
along the T-way. Thanks, Janet Akin

 


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Re: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR

[chuck gibson]

Hi All, the Refuge was closed today, Tues. due to Sandy. It will reopen Wed. 
 Also I found a bird guide on Towpath Rd. today, at the east end of Knox by the 
berm. I will leave it at the Visitors Center Wednesday morn. Chuck Gibson
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  Several people have emailed and asked us why the wildlife drive was closed. 
We do not know, we went there at 1pm and the visitors center was closed and the 
gate was closed on the wildlife drive. We just thought we would pass it on in 
case anyone else was headed there. We imagine it was because of Sandy but, that 
is only a guess.

   

  Wade and Melissa

   

  From: Janet Akin [mailto:ja...@rochester.rr.com] 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 6:53 PM
  To: cobra
  Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR

   

  Why? Mud was hoping to head over there tomorrow. It was muddy last week along 
the T-way. Thanks, Janet Akin

   

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR

[Kimberly Sucy]

I'm gonna come out in favor of keeping the drive pedestrian-free.  I know other 
places that do have pedestrians (Forsythe's lovely auto loop comes to mind) are 
quite successful and enjoyed by many, but in Montezuma's case, what would be 
the gain?  The pedestrians I've seen on our drive push through the cattails and 
growth, don't stay on the dirt path, and don't take advantage full advantage of 
the two spots where leaving the car is OK.   One couple taking pictures of 
something last week pushed through the cattails for the best angle and sent a 
least bittern flying from a nearby hiding spot.   When people on foot line the 
edges, people in cars can't see a thing.  It's not like being in your car means 
you can't see anything - it just means you can't see a few things or get a few 
feet closer.  Staying in your car is not that much of a hardship!  And this 
comes from someone who drives a standard, low-clearance car.  Forsythe is a lot 
more open, so pedestrians rarely completely block the view of those who are in 
their cars.  That's not always the case here.

Maybe a good compromise would be the addition of additional observation points 
or blinds.  

As for groups, I know that multi-car caravan is hard to handle but handheld 
radios are usually a great way to point out birds of interest.

If the Wildlife Drive had a clearly posted sign that said "Remain in your 
vehicle until the Observation Points marked with a Binoculars sign (I really 
think people don't understand what the current sign means) unless in possession 
of a pedestrian permit", and required that permit to be physically displayed on 
the lead vehicle, and the person applying for the permit displayed knowledge of 
the risk involved to the refuge staff prior to being granted the permit, well, 
that would be fine.  Last week almost every car had people outside it, walking 
along the road, pushing through the vegetation to get a clearer shot (sorry, in 
this case they DID all have cameras) of the young Grebes and Gallinules. I in 
my car couldn't see a thing.

Almost everything that can be seen on the wildlife drive can be seen at other 
points in the refuge that do allow pedestrian traffic.Why not keep this 
spot vehicle-only?  

-kimberly


On Aug 3, 2014, at 10:42 AM, Elizabeth B. King wrote:

> I'm interested in the current debate about MNWR. Here's another opinion:
> 
> I have always assumed that the MNWR existed not only to provide a safe refuge 
> for birds but also to provide a place for all people (not just photographers 
> and experts) to actually observe and study the birds and, one hopes, as a 
> result, to become supporters of the refuge.
> 
> Our Ithaca bird group goes regularly to MNWR, always in the morning on a 
> weekday (Tuesday). We are often the only people on the wildlife drive. 
> Sometimes we have as many as three cars in our group with four people in each 
> car. The only way for our (sometimes  old) eyes to see birds and point them 
> out to some of the newer birders in the group is to get quietly out of our 
> cars and sometimes set up a scope. People in the right side of the car mostly 
> can't see anything out of the left side windows if they have to stay in the 
> car. I'm sure some water birds and shore birds leave but patience usually 
> brings them back. The really good photographers are usually travelling alone 
> and do just fine staying in their car/blind. So the rules need to be a bit 
> flexible to be helpful to all of us.
> 
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Re:[cayugabirds-l] MNWR cranes?

[Laura Stenzler]

Thanks everyone for answering! I’m on my way there. The cranes were there this 
morning and there are lots at Knox Marcellus. 

Laura

Laura Stenzler
l...@cornell.edu

> On Dec 3, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Johnson, Alyssa  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Laura, 
> 
> I don't know if anyone responded to you about the cranes yet... I haven't 
> been there today, but they have been pretty consistently hanging out there. 
> We were treated to 52 yesterday!!! Of course they could move at any time, but 
> I'd say it's a good chance they're there.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> --
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> Environmental Educator
> 315.365.3588
> 
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> PO Box 187
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: bounce-125189219-79436...@list.cornell.edu 
>  On Behalf Of Laura Stenzler
> Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 9:58 AM
> To: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
> Subject: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR cranes?
> 
> Can anyone tell me if the cranes are at the visitor center pool this morning 
> (Montezuma NWR)?  It’s almost 10 am. 
> 
> Laura
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR cranes?

[Peter Saracino]

Sorry Laura just now saw this. There have been sizable numbers of Cranes in
the Visitors Center pool this year - more than are customarily there. This
past Sunday there were 70+ birds there. Yesterday at the end of our survey
(3p.m.) there were 60+ birds there. I guess I'm trying to say that if you
missed them today the chances are good some will be there tomorrow- or on
other parts of the Refuge (especially Knox Marcellus/Puddler Marsh areas.
Pete Sar

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020, 11:39 AM Laura Stenzler  wrote:

> Thanks everyone for answering! I’m on my way there. The cranes were there
> this morning and there are lots at Knox Marcellus.
>
> Laura
>
> Laura Stenzler
> l...@cornell.edu
>
> > On Dec 3, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Johnson, Alyssa 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Laura,
> >
> > I don't know if anyone responded to you about the cranes yet... I
> haven't been there today, but they have been pretty consistently hanging
> out there. We were treated to 52 yesterday!!! Of course they could move at
> any time, but I'd say it's a good chance they're there.
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> > --
> > Alyssa Johnson
> > Environmental Educator
> > 315.365.3588
> >
> > Montezuma Audubon Center
> > PO Box 187
> > 2295 State Route 89
> > Savannah, NY 13146
> > Montezuma.audubon.org
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: bounce-125189219-79436...@list.cornell.edu <
> bounce-125189219-79436...@list.cornell.edu> On Behalf Of Laura Stenzler
> > Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 9:58 AM
> > To: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
> > Subject: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR cranes?
> >
> > Can anyone tell me if the cranes are at the visitor center pool this
> morning (Montezuma NWR)?  It’s almost 10 am.
> >
> > Laura
> >
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RE: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR cranes?

[Deb Grantham]

At least 18 flew overhead near the Visitor’s Pool this afternoon about 3:15 or 
3:30, in a couple of groups with stragglers in between.

Deb


From: bounce-125191134-83565...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Peter Saracino
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 6:47 PM
To: Laura Stenzler 
Cc: Johnson, Alyssa ; CAYUGABIRDS-L 

Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR cranes?

Sorry Laura just now saw this. There have been sizable numbers of Cranes in the 
Visitors Center pool this year - more than are customarily there. This past 
Sunday there were 70+ birds there. Yesterday at the end of our survey (3p.m.) 
there were 60+ birds there. I guess I'm trying to say that if you missed them 
today the chances are good some will be there tomorrow- or on other parts of 
the Refuge (especially Knox Marcellus/Puddler Marsh areas.
Pete Sar

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020, 11:39 AM Laura Stenzler 
mailto:l...@cornell.edu>> wrote:
Thanks everyone for answering! I’m on my way there. The cranes were there this 
morning and there are lots at Knox Marcellus.

Laura

Laura Stenzler
l...@cornell.edu<mailto:l...@cornell.edu>

> On Dec 3, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Johnson, Alyssa 
> mailto:alyssa.john...@audubon.org>> wrote:
>
> Hi Laura,
>
> I don't know if anyone responded to you about the cranes yet... I haven't 
> been there today, but they have been pretty consistently hanging out there. 
> We were treated to 52 yesterday!!! Of course they could move at any time, but 
> I'd say it's a good chance they're there.
>
> Good luck!
>
> --
> Alyssa Johnson
> Environmental Educator
> 315.365.3588
>
> Montezuma Audubon Center
> PO Box 187
> 2295 State Route 89
> Savannah, NY 13146
> Montezuma.audubon.org<http://Montezuma.audubon.org>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 
> bounce-125189219-79436...@list.cornell.edu<mailto:bounce-125189219-79436...@list.cornell.edu>
>  
> mailto:bounce-125189219-79436...@list.cornell.edu>>
>  On Behalf Of Laura Stenzler
> Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 9:58 AM
> To: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
> mailto:cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu>>
> Subject: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR cranes?
>
> Can anyone tell me if the cranes are at the visitor center pool this morning 
> (Montezuma NWR)?  It’s almost 10 am.
>
> Laura
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR Thursday

[Asher Hockett]

It has only been a few years and now we seem to be taking Peregrines for
granted. Not criticizing, but you know what I mean. Any day with a
Peregrine is a gift!

On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 6:21 PM,  wrote:

> I didn't come up with much on the Wildlife Drive other than Merlin and
> Peregrine.  There were a decent number of Semi-p Sandpiper at Benning,
> renewing hope for a Western.  At dusk, Knox-Marsellus had 82 Great Egrets,
> one with an orange wing tag, and 325 Great Blue Herons amidst the other
> birds people have been reporting.
>
> I'm also including an eBird checklist from August 27th for K-M which
> featured a flyby Whimbrel (it was circling in the K-M airspace for a few
> minutes but never seen on the ground).  Apologies for forgetting to post.
>
> Dave W.
> tigge...@aol.com
>
> Montezuma NWR Knox-Marsellus Marsh, Seneca, US-NY
> Sep 6, 2012 5:00 PM - 7:30 PM
> Protocol: Stationary
> Comments: Hot and humid with a light breeze; hoping for something new but
> seemingly the same basic cast of characters; not a careful survey of the
> shorebirds but a scan for something new; listened to Sonic Youth while driving
> to/from MNWR
> 45 species
>
> Canada Goose  20
> Trumpeter Swan  1
> Wood Duck  X
> American Wigeon  X
> American Black Duck  X
> Mallard  X
> Blue-winged Teal  X
> Northern Shoveler  X
> Green-winged Teal  X
> Double-crested Cormorant  1
> Great Blue Heron  325 counted twice, +/- 10 birds
> Great Egret  82 counted twice, +/-3 birds; one bird had orange wing tag
> Osprey  1
> Northern Harrier  1
> Bald Eagle  2
> Sandhill Crane  2
> Black-bellied Plover  X
> American Golden-Plover  1
> Semipalmated Plover  X
> Killdeer  X
> Greater Yellowlegs  X
> Lesser Yellowlegs  X
> Semipalmated Sandpiper  X
> Least Sandpiper  X
> Pectoral Sandpiper  X
> Stilt Sandpiper  X
> Short-billed Dowitcher  X
> Wilson's Phalarope  1
> Red-necked Phalarope  1
> Ring-billed Gull  X
> Herring Gull  1
> Great Black-backed Gull  1
> Caspian Tern  3
> American Crow  1
> Northern Rough-winged Swallow  X
> Purple Martin  X
> Tree Swallow  X
> Bank Swallow  X
> Barn Swallow  X
> Gray Catbird  1
> Common Yellowthroat  2
> Song Sparrow  2
> Bobolink  1
> Red-winged Blackbird  X
> American Goldfinch  X
>
>
> Montezuma NWR Knox-Marsellus Marsh, Seneca, US-NY
> Aug 27, 2012 5:00 PM - 7:00 PM
> Protocol: Traveling
> 0.25 mile(s)
> Comments: With Jim Tarolli; light rain; observing from both Towpath Rd in
> rain and East Rd (no rain)
> 32 species (+1 other taxa)
>
> Canada Goose  20
> Trumpeter Swan  3
> Wood Duck  X
> Mallard  X
> Green-winged Teal  X
> Ring-necked Duck  1 Possibly an eclipse-plumaged male but I don't remember
> Double-crested Cormorant  X
> Great Blue Heron  X
> Great Egret  X
> Black-crowned Night-Heron  4
> Osprey  2
> Northern Harrier  1
> Bald Eagle  1
> Common Gallinule  2
> Sandhill Crane  2
> Black-bellied Plover  3
> Semipalmated Plover  X
> Killdeer  X
> Greater Yellowlegs  3
> Lesser Yellowlegs  X
> Whimbrel  1 Spiraled over K-M marsh for about 5 mins (stayed on it the
> entire time in the scope); eventually joined up with ~15 other (smaller but
> medium-sized) shorebirds and flew to the south; a long-awaited first Whimbrel
> for me at MNWR; possibly put down to the mudflats by rain but I never saw it 
> on
> the ground
> Sanderling  1
> Semipalmated Sandpiper  X
> Least Sandpiper  X
> White-rumped Sandpiper  X
> Pectoral Sandpiper  X
> Stilt Sandpiper  X
> Short-billed/Long-billed Dowitcher  X
> Wilson's Phalarope  1
> Ring-billed Gull  X
> Herring Gull  X
> Caspian Tern  X
> Black Tern  2
>
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RE:[cayugabirds-l] MNWR yesterday

[Meena Madhav Haribal]

I suggest watch the videos in HD mode at 1080 resolution.

Submissive behavior occurs at 0.54 minutes in the first video!



Cheers

Meena

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From: bounce-117669890-3493...@list.cornell.edu 
 on behalf of Meena Madhav Haribal 

Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 11:32 PM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR yesterday


Yesterday I was thinking of going on the morning group walk to MNWR, but I came 
back from Moth Week Party at Treman SP only around 1.00 Am and after that too 
spent another hour at my moth sheet, which was fun where we saw over hundred 
species of moths. So when I got up at 6.00 am, I decided to go back to sleep 
again.

Here is the Picasa link to some of the moths and people

https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/118047473426099383469/albums/6040743710476999841?sort=1



Finally, after three pm I decided to go MNWR. Again several time along the 
road, I felt like turning back as I was feeling sleepy, but continued! I do not 
regret the decision.



I wanted to see Least Bittern so I decided to first stop at the main drive. I 
took a mile walk of Seneca way loop  near the visitor center and I found lots 
of shorebirds at the Seneca spillway before LaRue's.  So I spent sometime 
taking videos of the behaviors. among shore birds there were several Lesser 
Yellowlegs, a couple of greater Yellowlegs, two Solitary Sandpipers, two 
Spotted Sandpipers, five Pectoral Sandpipers, 7 or 8 Least Sandpipers and 
several Swamp and Song Sparrows.  I spent more than an hour here.



I watched two Yellowlegs, one was Lesser and the other I think was Greater 
Yellowlegs juvenile, at least by the behavior. They were feeding close by each 
other but their territory did not overlap. They kept going and round and round 
and feeding within their distance. Once one of them seemed to have gone into 
the territory of the other bird. Other bird approached it. Suddenly the first 
yellowlegs sat down as if waiting for an attack and in submissive manner. See 
in the attached video. Then they were chasing one of the new comers, three or 
four individuals that were feeding at the site chased  the bird in concert till 
the bird departed to LaRue's lagoon.  See in the second video link.



Then along the drive I watched each musk rat island was occupied by a family of 
birds. Several ones were occupied by Common Moorhen families. It was 
interesting to watch with which parent chicks would go for a feeding expedition.



Then there was a family of Pied-billed Grebes, which were successful in the 
getting fish. This made a young Ring-billed Gull try to steal from the babies. 
Smart babies dove as soon as they saw gull heading towards them. Once gull 
tried to go under water to snatch the a fish from the babies.



Then as I was driving further ahead a LEAST BITTERN flew from the marsh where 
there was some water and go towards LaRue's. Then shortly I saw the second one. 
 It was not very satisfying look but good enough.



As I continued I found several more muskrat islands occupied by families of a 
Wood Duck with female in attendance, Coot's family of pretty large babies, a 
family of Mallards. It seemed that they were ready to sleep for the night.



A Muskrat was busy cutting mouthful of grass and taking it to the nest and 
coming back again and again for some more. I don't know if it feeds its young 
with grass or the male was taking the grass for nursing female.  It was working 
just a few feet from my car.



I also saw Marie Read's tree where the swallows were congregating for the roost.



Finally by the time I headed to Knox-Marsellus sun was already behind the 
clouds and light was getting bad. But I found Ken Rosenberg sorting out birds. 
He found several Stilt Sandpipers, two Bonaparte's gulls, the pelican which was 
hiding somewhere for sometime came into the open.   We also saw six or seven (I 
forget)  Sandhill Cranes silently come into the marsh.

Plus there were lots of odonates including several darners and also saw three 
Giant Swallowtails, Monarchs (including a mating pair) and other butterflies 
too!



Overall it was a fantastic day!



And on Saturday night at Treman SP, there were two baby Great-horned Owls were 
continuously begging and on Friday night at the Watkins Glen state park a 
Barred Owl called a couple of times.  And yesterday morning as I was going to 
the lab, as I turned on Pine Tree Road from Honness Lane a Raven flew overhead 
calling loudly.









Links to yellowlegs videos.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nbFubwnukE



http://youtu.be/sIHI4uKtqjk



Meena Haribal
Ithaca NY 14850
42.429007,-76.47111
http://haribal.org/
http://meenaharibal.blogspot.com/


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RE: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR discsussion

[Meena Madhav Haribal]

If the following is true why there is hunting allowed on the refuge?  Is it 
better than foot traffic just disturbing them to some extent? 

It seems refuge managers are interfering with the nature in variety of ways by 
changing the habitats constantly. For example Benning Marsh was one of the 
shorebird habitat when created, now it is of no use to most birds, so was May's 
Point pool. Things keeping changing due to lack of proper sustained maintenance 
or due to 'supposed to be creating habitat'. Once upon a time there were 
several beautiful willows along the wildlife drive which were perfect spots for 
variety of birds to land and take refuge or use as strategic view points by 
birds, including Rusty Blackbirds, swallows, hawks, but one morning I found all 
of  them cut down. Now it is like modern corn fields with acres of cattails or 
then it was loose strife. Why? I have no clues, they were not interfering with 
any of the management plans. 


Meena



2. For MNWR the mission statement is:

Montezuma National Wildlife refuge provides resting, feeding, and nesting 
habitat for waterfowl and other migratory birds. Montezuma is situated in the 
middle of one of the most active flight lanes in the Atlantic Flyway.



Best,
John
--
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Field Ornithologists
Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory
5373 Fitzgerald Road
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 Website: http://www.empacc.net/~kestrelhaven/
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[Marie P. Read]

 How do you know 
that?
M

Marie Read Wildlife Photography
452 Ringwood Road
Freeville NY  13068 USA

Phone  607-539-6608
e-mail   m...@cornell.edu

http://www.marieread.com

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From: bounce-117689369-5851...@list.cornell.edu 
[bounce-117689369-5851...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Meena Madhav Haribal 
[m...@cornell.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 8:40 AM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: RE: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR discsussion

If the following is true why there is hunting allowed on the refuge?  Is it 
better than foot traffic just disturbing them to some extent?

It seems refuge managers are interfering with the nature in variety of ways by 
changing the habitats constantly. For example Benning Marsh was one of the 
shorebird habitat when created, now it is of no use to most birds, so was May's 
Point pool. Things keeping changing due to lack of proper sustained maintenance 
or due to 'supposed to be creating habitat'. Once upon a time there were 
several beautiful willows along the wildlife drive which were perfect spots for 
variety of birds to land and take refuge or use as strategic view points by 
birds, including Rusty Blackbirds, swallows, hawks, but one morning I found all 
of  them cut down. Now it is like modern corn fields with acres of cattails or 
then it was loose strife. Why? I have no clues, they were not interfering with 
any of the management plans.


Meena



2. For MNWR the mission statement is:

Montezuma National Wildlife refuge provides resting, feeding, and nesting 
habitat for waterfowl and other migratory birds. Montezuma is situated in the 
middle of one of the most active flight lanes in the Atlantic Flyway.



Best,
John
--
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Field Ornithologists
Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory
5373 Fitzgerald Road
Burdett,NY 14818-9626
 Website: http://www.empacc.net/~kestrelhaven/
"Conserve and Create Habitat"




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[Meena Madhav Haribal]

Because what happened after that! 

-Original Message-
From: Marie P. Read 
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 8:44 AM
To: Meena Madhav Haribal; CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: RE: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR discsussion

 How do you know 
that?
M

Marie Read Wildlife Photography
452 Ringwood Road
Freeville NY  13068 USA

Phone  607-539-6608
e-mail   m...@cornell.edu

http://www.marieread.com

Author of Sierra Wings: Birds of the Mono Lake BasinAvailable here:

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From: bounce-117689369-5851...@list.cornell.edu 
[bounce-117689369-5851...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Meena Madhav Haribal 
[m...@cornell.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 8:40 AM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: RE: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR discsussion

If the following is true why there is hunting allowed on the refuge?  Is it 
better than foot traffic just disturbing them to some extent?

It seems refuge managers are interfering with the nature in variety of ways by 
changing the habitats constantly. For example Benning Marsh was one of the 
shorebird habitat when created, now it is of no use to most birds, so was May's 
Point pool. Things keeping changing due to lack of proper sustained maintenance 
or due to 'supposed to be creating habitat'. Once upon a time there were 
several beautiful willows along the wildlife drive which were perfect spots for 
variety of birds to land and take refuge or use as strategic view points by 
birds, including Rusty Blackbirds, swallows, hawks, but one morning I found all 
of  them cut down. Now it is like modern corn fields with acres of cattails or 
then it was loose strife. Why? I have no clues, they were not interfering with 
any of the management plans.


Meena



2. For MNWR the mission statement is:

Montezuma National Wildlife refuge provides resting, feeding, and nesting 
habitat for waterfowl and other migratory birds. Montezuma is situated in the 
middle of one of the most active flight lanes in the Atlantic Flyway.



Best,
John
--
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Field Ornithologists
Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory
5373 Fitzgerald Road
Burdett,NY 14818-9626
 Website: http://www.empacc.net/~kestrelhaven/
"Conserve and Create Habitat"




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[Marie P. Read]

Yes, wildlife refuges are not "nature parks", they are set aside to provide a 
refuge…for the wildlife, a refuge from HUMANS and their encroachment! 

Marie (yes I'm a human, yes I encroach with the best of 'em!)

Marie Read Wildlife Photography
452 Ringwood Road
Freeville NY  13068 USA

Phone  607-539-6608
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From: bounce-117689184-5851...@list.cornell.edu 
[bounce-117689184-5851...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of John and Sue Gregoire 
[k...@empacc.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 7:47 AM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR discsussion

Many interesting points have been mentioned and certainly are worthwhile 
exploring
if they fall within the purview of MNWR. Certainly out of car areas could be
established  once the major construction is complete. The north area would be 
ideal
and still allow the first portion of the drive through Benning to be pedestrian
free. But, before we go saying things like MNWR is a bug and butterfly refuge or
primarily a place to bird and study nature we should know what a NWR is and
specifically what Montezuma is supposed to do. 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR discsussion

[Lisa Welch]

We need to start thinking outside of the box when it comes to "nature."  Our 
culture has been conditioned to think of ourselves as being separate from 
nature, i.e., modernism and the machine.  I think the Montezuma wildlife drive 
is a perfect example of that modernistic paradigm that is quickly becoming so 
last Century.  We need to think of humans as being a part of nature.  Our 
settlement patterns, our buildings, our food, our transportation.  Modern glass 
buildings, for example.  They kill birds.  And, what about the materials they 
use and the energy needed to heat and cool them?  Why do we have to build glass 
buildings?  Monolithic agriculture.  Tradition in architecture (local materials 
designed for a local climate), human settlements (walkable, diverse, complex), 
food.  Tradition at the wildlife refuge!  Things to think about.    


On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 8:52 AM, Meena Madhav Haribal  
wrote:
  


Because what happened after that! 


-Original Message-
From: Marie P. Read 
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 8:44 AM
To: Meena Madhav Haribal; CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: RE: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR discsussion

 How do you know 
that?
M

Marie Read Wildlife Photography
452 Ringwood Road
Freeville NY  13068 USA

Phone  607-539-6608
e-mail  m...@cornell.edu

http://www.marieread.com/

Author of Sierra Wings: Birds of the Mono Lake Basin    Available here:

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From: bounce-117689369-5851...@list.cornell.edu 
[bounce-117689369-5851...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Meena Madhav Haribal 
[m...@cornell.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 8:40 AM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: RE: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR discsussion

If the following is true why there is hunting allowed on the refuge?  Is it 
better than foot traffic just disturbing them to some extent?

It seems refuge managers are interfering with the nature in variety of ways by 
changing the habitats constantly. For example Benning Marsh was one of the 
shorebird habitat when created, now it is of no use to most birds, so was May's 
Point pool. Things keeping changing due to lack of proper sustained maintenance 
or due to 'supposed to be creating habitat'. Once upon a time there were 
several beautiful willows along the wildlife drive which were perfect spots for 
variety of birds to land and take refuge or use as strategic view points by 
birds, including Rusty Blackbirds, swallows, hawks, but one morning I found all 
of  them cut down. Now it is like modern corn fields with acres of cattails or 
then it was loose strife. Why? I have no clues, they were not interfering with 
any of the management plans.


Meena



2. For MNWR the mission statement is:

Montezuma National Wildlife refuge provides resting, feeding, and nesting 
habitat for waterfowl and other migratory birds. Montezuma is situated in the 
middle of one of the most active flight lanes in the Atlantic Flyway.



Best,
John
--
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Field Ornithologists
Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory
5373 Fitzgerald Road
Burdett,NY 14818-9626
Website: http://www.empacc.net/~kestrelhaven/
"Conserve and Create Habitat"




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[Melissa Groo]

If there is one thing I've learned, it's that people won't care about
protecting wild spaces and wild animals if they don't see how special these
spaces and animals are.

Yes, the most important charge of these refuges is to provide a haven for
wildlife in protected, vitally important habitat. But nwrs also see public
education and the affording of recreation (birding, hiking, fishing,
hunting, photography) as an important part of their mission. I spent some
time talking to refuge managers on a recent trip to North Dakota and
learned firsthand about the importance of this.

>From the NWRA web site, at
http://refugeassociation.org/what-we-do/friends-groups-engagement/recreation/

"At least one national wildlife refuge is located in every U.S. state and
territory. These areas are set aside primarily to protect wildlife and
habitats, but they are also created for the use and enjoyment of the
public. These landscapes belong to all of us, and we each have the right to
explore refuges responsibly, with an eye to safeguarding them for future
generations to enjoy."

I think thoughtful, responsible use of a refuge is in the best interests of
both wildlife and people, and I hope that moving forward, Montezuma NWR can
find that sensitive balance.

Melissa




On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Marie P. Read  wrote:

> Yes, wildlife refuges are not "nature parks", they are set aside to
> provide a refuge…for the wildlife, a refuge from HUMANS and their
> encroachment!
>
> Marie (yes I'm a human, yes I encroach with the best of 'em!)
>
> Marie Read Wildlife Photography
> 452 Ringwood Road
> Freeville NY  13068 USA
>
> Phone  607-539-6608
> e-mail   m...@cornell.edu
>
> http://www.marieread.com
>
> Author of Sierra Wings: Birds of the Mono Lake BasinAvailable here:
>
>
> http://marieread.photoshelter.com/gallery/Sierra-Wings-Birds-of-the-Mono-Lake-Basin/GNlCxX37uTzE/CBPFGij6nLfE
> 
> From: bounce-117689184-5851...@list.cornell.edu [
> bounce-117689184-5851...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of John and Sue
> Gregoire [k...@empacc.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 7:47 AM
> To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
> Subject: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR discsussion
>
> Many interesting points have been mentioned and certainly are worthwhile
> exploring
> if they fall within the purview of MNWR. Certainly out of car areas could
> be
> established  once the major construction is complete. The north area would
> be ideal
> and still allow the first portion of the drive through Benning to be
> pedestrian
> free. But, before we go saying things like MNWR is a bug and butterfly
> refuge or
> primarily a place to bird and study nature we should know what a NWR is and
> specifically what Montezuma is supposed to do.
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR discsussion

[whitings]

Hi,
I find it interesting in this discussion that there is no mention of all the 
other places that one can walk in the complex as well as the MAC. The wildlife 
drive to my knowledge is the only place where they ask you to stay in the car. 
Yes, Knox Marcellus might be more accessible, but they have had guided walks 
there. Let' a remember too, that the very people you want to recruit as nature 
lovers use the drive usually without any binoculars or scopes. What can anyone 
see that follows in the wake of people flushing birds away from the edge? 
Surely, the same birds, butterflies, and flowers can be seen at most of the 
places with similar habitat that one is allowed to walk. I am also surprised 
that in this discussion I am reading of how peoples needs and desires somehow 
justify not respecting the rule as it stands presently. I learned like Marie 
that staying in the car was not so bad after all. You see more and so will the 
next person after you. The refuge could do a lot here by just clarifying their 
policy. Like Mark said, they are very busy right now moving all that dirt, and 
would get nothing done if they had to stop every five minutes to police people. 
I am all for promoting the natural world. I think the refuge meets both needs 
while respecting what their mission statement is. Walk into the other areas and 
you can probably still have the same experience you are looking for.


Diana Whiting

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> On Aug 6, 2014, at 10:26 AM, Melissa Groo  wrote:
> 
> If there is one thing I've learned, it's that people won't care about 
> protecting wild spaces and wild animals if they don't see how special these 
> spaces and animals are. 
> 
> Yes, the most important charge of these refuges is to provide a haven for 
> wildlife in protected, vitally important habitat. But nwrs also see public 
> education and the affording of recreation (birding, hiking, fishing, hunting, 
> photography) as an important part of their mission. I spent some time talking 
> to refuge managers on a recent trip to North Dakota and learned firsthand 
> about the importance of this. 
> 
> From the NWRA web site, at 
> http://refugeassociation.org/what-we-do/friends-groups-engagement/recreation/
> 
> "At least one national wildlife refuge is located in every U.S. state and 
> territory. These areas are set aside primarily to protect wildlife and 
> habitats, but they are also created for the use and enjoyment of the public. 
> These landscapes belong to all of us, and we each have the right to explore 
> refuges responsibly, with an eye to safeguarding them for future generations 
> to enjoy."
> 
> I think thoughtful, responsible use of a refuge is in the best interests of 
> both wildlife and people, and I hope that moving forward, Montezuma NWR can 
> find that sensitive balance. 
> 
> Melissa
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Marie P. Read  wrote:
>> Yes, wildlife refuges are not "nature parks", they are set aside to provide 
>> a refuge…for the wildlife, a refuge from HUMANS and their encroachment!
>> 
>> Marie (yes I'm a human, yes I encroach with the best of 'em!)
>> 
>> Marie Read Wildlife Photography
>> 452 Ringwood Road
>> Freeville NY  13068 USA
>> 
>> Phone  607-539-6608
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>> http://www.marieread.com
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>> Author of Sierra Wings: Birds of the Mono Lake BasinAvailable here:
>> 
>> http://marieread.photoshelter.com/gallery/Sierra-Wings-Birds-of-the-Mono-Lake-Basin/GNlCxX37uTzE/CBPFGij6nLfE
>> 
>> From: bounce-117689184-5851...@list.cornell.edu 
>> [bounce-117689184-5851...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of John and Sue 
>> Gregoire [k...@empacc.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 7:47 AM
>> To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
>> Subject: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR discsussion
>> 
>> Many interesting points have been mentioned and certainly are worthwhile 
>> exploring
>> if they fall within the purview of MNWR. Certainly out of car areas could be
>> established  once the major construction is complete. The north area would 
>> be ideal
>> and still allow the first portion of the drive through Benning to be 
>> pedestrian
>> free. But, before we go saying things like MNWR is a bug and butterfly 
>> refuge or
>> primarily a place to bird and study nature we should know what a NWR is and
>> specifically what Montezuma is supposed to do.
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR discsussion

[MW1971]

We believe there are areas within any refuge that can be responsibly be 
explored. We do however, know there are sensitive areas that should not be 
disturbed.
We have walked the levees at KM with a group with no apparent distress to the 
wildlife beyond anything an Eagle, Falcon or Harrier causes almost hourly.
We have a few suggestions which could be used throughout any refuge.
1) add a few more designated stopping/viewing areas.
2) possibly designate a couple days a week for areas like wildlife drive and KM 
where observers could exit their cars and groups would be able to exit vans. 
Tue and/or Thurs are good possibilities.
3) we hate speed bumps but, if that is what it takes to slow down those that 
seem to be dyslexic and drive 52mph instead of 25, sobeit.

Wade and Melissa
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR discsussion

[Asher Hockett]

I can remember CARavaning as a Spring Field Ornithology field trip where we
used cellphones, radios, and car horns (attention - there's a Ruddy Duck!)
a few years (10 maybe) ago. No one got out where they were not supposed to
and everyone got to see lots of birds - lifers, even.

I know I suggested a pedestrian wildlife drive (well, walk), but surely I
would never have seen the new birds I did on that day. Yet, I did snowshoe
once to the first corner, and back, and had new and unusual birds then too,
not to mention I could barely walk for weeks afterwards.

I think a blended approach is best: some places to exit and set up scopes
and stretch legs, and others for staying car-fined. Most certainly, better
signage with some explanations - maybe a brochure - would help.

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR - Sunday night

[Jay McGowan]

It looks like Mays Point may be getting better for shorebirds as well.
LaRue's survey from this morning reports over a hundred shorebirds at Mays,
including many of both yellowlegs, over 60 Least Sandpipers, a Stilt
Sandpiper, and four dowitchers, as well as an American Bittern and a Tundra
Swan.  The visitor center pool had the usual species as well, plus four
Semipalmated Plovers.  Highlights from the main pool area include three
Northern Pintail.

-Jay

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 1:03 PM,  wrote:

> Apologies for the lateness of my report.  Now 8 dowitchers at Puddler's
> Marsh, several with very long bills possibly outside the overlap zone but
> distance and poor lighting make it difficult to be sure of species.  125
> Purple Martins near the spillway on the Wildlife Dr, while at the Visitor
> Center a brief visit by a flock of peeps seemed to contain only Least and
> Semi-p.  Muddy scrapes next to the Thruway are starting to attract
> Killdeer and Lesser Yellowlegs.  Didn't have time to check Knox-Marsellus.
>
> Dave W.
> Oswego County NY
>
> Montezuma NWR--Visitor Center, Seneca, US-NY
> Jul 31, 2011 5:00 PM - 6:00 PM
> Protocol: Stationary
> Comments: Difficult light conditions.
> 27 species
>
> Canada Goose  2
> American Black Duck  1
> Mallard  2
> Great Blue Heron  2
> Turkey Vulture  2
> Osprey  2
> Red-tailed Hawk  1
> Killdeer  X
> Spotted Sandpiper  2
> Solitary Sandpiper  6
> Greater Yellowlegs  5
> Lesser Yellowlegs  200 estimated
> Semipalmated Sandpiper  12
> Least Sandpiper  60 Flock of Least & Semi-p flew in for 10 mins, then left
> Pectoral Sandpiper  5
> Ring-billed Gull  75
> Caspian Tern  8
> Black Tern  1
> Mourning Dove  1
> American Crow  1
> Purple Martin  3
> American Robin  X
> European Starling  X
> Common Yellowthroat  1
> Song Sparrow  1
> Red-winged Blackbird  X
> American Goldfinch  X
>
>
> Montezuma NWR--Auto Loop, Seneca, US-NY
> Jul 31, 2011 6:00 PM - 6:15 PM
> Protocol: Traveling
> 1.0 mile(s)
> Comments: Difficult light
> 9 species
>
> Great Blue Heron  X good number at Benning Marsh
> Killdeer  X at the shorebird spot; also a few in the first muddy scrape
> along the thruway
> Greater Yellowlegs  5
> Lesser Yellowlegs  X
> Least Sandpiper  3
> Purple Martin  125 in a dead tree near the spillway
> Tree Swallow  2
> Bank Swallow  2
> Barn Swallow  1
>
> Montezuma NWR--Puddler Marsh, Seneca, US-NY
> Jul 31, 2011 6:30 PM - 8:00 PM
> Protocol: Traveling
> 0.5 mile(s)
> Comments: Difficult light
> 28 species (+1 other taxa)
>
> Great Blue Heron  X
> Green Heron  1 calling from trees behind Towpath Rd
> Semipalmated Plover  1 noticed only one
> Killdeer  X
> Spotted Sandpiper  X
> Solitary Sandpiper  1 noticed only one
> Greater Yellowlegs  20 estimate; one bird had normally-colored yellow leg
> plus injured leg that was very red
> Lesser Yellowlegs  400 estimate
> Semipalmated Sandpiper  X
> Least Sandpiper  X
> Pectoral Sandpiper  100 estimate
> Stilt Sandpiper  8
> Short-billed Dowitcher  4
> Short-billed/Long-billed Dowitcher  4 Now 8 total dowitchers.   At least 3
> had long bills that might be outside the overlap zone, but the distance too
> great to see most other features of the birds.
> Ring-billed Gull  X
> Caspian Tern  8
> Black Tern  2
> American Crow  X
> Tree Swallow  X
> Barn Swallow  X
> Wood Thrush  1
> American Robin  X
> Gray Catbird  6
> European Starling  X
> Yellow Warbler  1
> Common Yellowthroat  X
> Song Sparrow  1
> Red-winged Blackbird  X
> American Goldfinch  X
>
>  Montezuma NWR--Mays Point Pool, Seneca, US-NY
> Jul 31, 2011 8:15 PM - 8:20 PM
> Protocol: Stationary
> 3 species
>
> Great Blue Heron  X
> Great Egret  35 No wing tags; probably the same birds that have been there
> Sandhill Crane  2 First time for me this year at Mays
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR - Thursday evening

[Jay McGowan]

I just got a look at Larue and Jackie's survey from this morning.  They
report fairly low numbers of shorebirds at Puddlers (and almost none at
Knox-Marcellus), but they did see 28 dowitchers here, more than have been
lately.  The highlight at Mays Point was a reported 8 DUNLIN, as well as
over a hundred other shorebirds, mostly peeps.

Cheers,
Jay

On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:56 PM,  wrote:

>
>  I'm a bit behind on my eBird entries.  Highlight was the first
> conspicuous evidence of fall passerine migration, with many Bobolinks and a
> few Kingbirds along the Wildlife Dr.  An immature Peregrine Falcon was
> perched near the Seneca Spillway - presumably the same bird first seen by
> Joe and Diana Whiting at Mays Point on Tuesday evening.
>
> Mays, Puddler, and Knox-Marsellus had fog late in the day.
>
> Visitor's Center: not many shorebirds but changes constantly
> Mays Point: plenty of shorebirds on the vegetation to the left and a few
> straight out; some dowitchers noted; plenty of peeps but viewing poor
> Puddler: viewing poor; lots of Caspian Terns and more dowitchers noted, but
> still very flooded and not a lot of shorebirds
> K-M: viewing poor, 1 or 2 Great Egrets
>
> For the last week or more, Great Egret numbers have been around 40-50 at
> Mays Pt plus a few at Benning Marsh and a few at K-M.  Since
> Thursday evening's fog made viewing difficult, I may try a more complete
> look tonight at Mays.
>
> Dave Wheeler
> Oswego County NY
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR DRIVE OPEN?

[Linda Clark Benedict]

The drive is open. 

--Linda

Linda Clark Benedict

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On Nov 8, 2012, at 6:03 PM, Nancy Tonachel Gabriel  wrote:

> Can anyone tell me the latest on whether we can drive around the refuge?
> Thanks,
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR and pedestrians

[Norwalk, James]

This was my "home" NWR when I was an undergrad at Evergreen State College.  The 
key at Nisqually is that it was already poldered with dikes by the farmer that 
previously owned the delta so that a walking circuit already exisited (and cut 
off the salt marsh estuary).  Montezuma doesn't have an open circuit (that I 
know of) to allow walkers to make a loop around a sizeable chunk of good 
marsh/mudflat habitat and return to the visitor's center lot without 
backtracking.  Single viewing outposts are often devoid of optimally viewable 
birds.

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Hobart and William Smith Colleges
Eaton Hall 302
Geneva, NY 14456
315-781-3919






From: "Barbara B. Eden" mailto:b...@cornell.edu>>
Reply-To: "Barbara B. Eden" mailto:b...@cornell.edu>>
Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 6:14 AM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
mailto:cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu>>
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR and pedestrians

All,
This place can be  a potential model for Montezuma.
http://www.fws.gov/refuge/nisqually/
It is much larger but it is only for pedestrians and birds are close to the 
boardwalk and also  far away. Wouldn’t
those  birds who are more skittish stay farther away from the pedestrians?
~Barbara




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Re: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR update, Fri morning

[joe & Diana]

Hi Dave,
 I did see the Cattle Egret at 8:15. By 8: 30 it was gone and with all the 
activity plus some banding going on, there was nothing too much on that whole 
area where they are working and driving by. There were 4 plovers yet to be  
gets ids that were in La Rues. If you really want some shorebirds , go up to 
the Salmon River area.  There are mudflats everywhere and it was barely 
navigable by kayak. I also made 4 more attempts on the drive up until after 12 
and did not see the egret. Probably will have best chance after they are don 
working for the day.
Diana Whiting
On Sep 14, 2012, at 12:36 PM,  wrote:

> Jim Tarolli reported by text message to me that he and Joe Brin did not see 
> the Cattle Egret or the Whimbrels (reported by John Gregoire on Thursday at 
> Puddler's Marsh).  An Avocet continues at K-M and they were lucky enough to 
> see Brad and Mike and the Western Sandpiper.
> 
> I presume Cattle Egrets roost in trees (but I'm not sure).  If it's still 
> around MNWR it might be flying in to K-M at sunset with other herons and 
> egrets.  Or possibly going to wherever Green Herons roost there.  In 
> retrospect it would have been fun to stake the bird out at Benning late in 
> the day and see which way it goes (if anywhere).
> 
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Re:[cayugabirds-l] MNWR Wildlife Drive open???

[Daniel T Baldassarre]

Thanks everyone- got a few confirmations that it is closed.

-Dan


On Jan 3, 2014, at 1:32 PM, Daniel Baldassarre 
mailto:dtbal...@syr.edu>> wrote:

Hey Everyone,

I haven’t been up to Montezuma recently. Does anyone know if Wildlife Drive 
(the one way drive from the visitor’s center through the marsh) is open?

Thanks!

-Dan




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Re: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR Grebe vs Bullhead

[John and Fritzie Blizzard]

Good "catch",  Dave! Wonder the little guy didn't sink!

Fritzie


On 5/6/2014 5:36 PM, Dave K wrote:
> Today at MNWR auto loop
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> https://flic.kr/p/nvXS6w
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR Grebe vs Bullhead

[Ellen Haith]

Off Elm Beach this morning, west side of Cayuga Lake, a pod of Buffleheads
- two males and six females - fishing in a leisurely  manner as they drift
south. Another pair hanging around in front of the cottage.

Our 'flock' of Rough-Winged Swallows seems marginally larger this year,
despite the lack of other swallows along the shoreline.


On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 10:58 PM, John and Fritzie Blizzard <
job121...@verizon.net> wrote:

>  Good "catch",  Dave! Wonder the little guy didn't sink!
>
> Fritzie
>
>
>
> On 5/6/2014 5:36 PM, Dave K wrote:
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> Today at MNWR auto loop
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> https://flic.kr/p/nvXS6w
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR Grebe vs Bullhead

[Kathy]

Cute. Will never forget watching one swallow a sunfish almost as big as he was. 
Looked like a cobra when he got it all in!

Kathy Strickland

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On May 6, 2014, at 11:09 PM, "John and Fritzie Blizzard" 
 wrote:

> Good "catch",  Dave! Wonder the little guy didn't sink!
> 
> Fritzie
> 
> 
> On 5/6/2014 5:36 PM, Dave K wrote:
>> Today at MNWR auto loop
>>  
>> https://flic.kr/p/nvXS6w
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR Shorebird highlights - Tuesday night

[Carl Steckler]

OK, it took us a while to finally figure out where Towpath Road was, but 
where is Puddlers marsh? It isn't on the google map of bird spots. can 
someone please give us directions?

Thanks
Carl & Meg


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Re: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR Shorebird highlights - Tuesday night

[Christopher Wood]

Puddlers Marsh is yet another name for Towpath Rd. It refers
specifically to the impoundment to the east of the dike marked with
the sign that says "Absolutely no ATVs". The impoundment on the west
side is the Knox-Marcellus Marsh.

Many people do not differentiate these two since birds fly between the
two impoundments. So Knox-Marcellus is also be used to describe the
entire two impoundments, even though it may be technically more
accurate to say Towpath (as long as you aren't looking from East Rd)!

Basically, if anyone says Towpath, East Road, Knox-Marcellus Marsh or
Puddlers Marsh go up to that area and look around.

That should make things about as clear as the impoundment water, right?

Chris Wood

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> OK, it took us a while to finally figure out where Towpath Road was, but
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> someone please give us directions?
> Thanks
> Carl & Meg
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR Glossy Ibis, May 19

[Jay McGowan]

For those still searching for the wandering ibis at Montezuma, this report
just came through on eBird:

Glossy Ibis (Plegadis falcinellus) (1)
- Reported May 19, 2013 13:50 by Jonathan  Kresge
- Seneca Meadows Wetland Preserve, Seneca, New York
- Map:
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&t=p&z=13&q=42.936192,-76.8245601&ll=42.936192,-76.8245601
- Checklist: http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist?subID=S14205785
- Comments: "Circled the two front ponds (near parking area) before heading
in a northeast direction.  If needed, I have visual evidence (photograph)."


On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 8:37 AM, David Suggs <
dsu...@buffaloornithologicalsociety.org> wrote:

> Montezuma NWR. Glossy Ibis, maybe same reported by M & J Tetlow, seen
> about 9:30 AM Sunday, May 19. Flew into first lagoon east of auto tour
> road (Larue?), touched down and quickly departed high and southward toward
> Cayuga lake. A low flying Bald Eagle may have been the reason.
> David & Debbie Suggs
> Buffalo, NY
>
>
>
>
>> Subject: Montezuma Glossy Ibis, White-rumped Sandpiper
>> From: "Michael and Joann Tetlow" 
>> Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 20:05:33 -0400
>> X-Message-Number: 8
>>
>> Among the large number of Dunlin, Semipalmated Plovers and Least
>> Sandpipers
>> on the main pool mudflats there were 5 Short-billed Dowitchers and 1
>> White-Rumped Sandpiper.  A Glossy Ibis flew in from the May's Point
>> direction circled the mudflats but did not land and flew off over the
>> canal
>> to the NE.  We had no luck with the Wilson's Phalarope from the day
>> before.
>> Mike and Joann Tetlow
>>
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR Friday- children's specialty day

[John and Sue Gregoire]

The natal plumage of the young Gallinules still showed their red heads and 
wings. I
found this video that shows both, but it's not very clear. If anyone has some 
photos
of them at this stage, I'd love to see them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaU-zGnr4KU

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On Fri, July 18, 2014 19:58, John and Sue Gregoire wrote:
> Wonderful visit to the main refuge this afternoon where it was children's 
> day! On
> the drive we listened to American Bittern from the shorebird wetland as we 
> watched
> two Least Bittern criss cross the drive to fetch and return food for their 
> young
> which were on the east side. Around that same area a we just missed good 
> looks at a
> Virginia Rail and young but did see several Black Tern, Caspian Tern Green 
> Heron and
> some real young on the main pool side. Here in the canal we found one group 
> of three
> adult Gallinule and 7 chicks still in the black natal down. A bit further 
> north,
> just beyond the red flag, we spotted many more gallinule chicks that were 
> quite a
> bit older. That continued all the way to LaRue's as we saw many more.
>
> We also had many young coot and while watching the antics of those families, 
> up
> popped two Pied-billed Grebe youngsters and their parent. That area produced 
> many
> more coot young as we creeped along. Of course, we don't have a decent 
> telephoto
> lens so our pix are identifiable but fuzzy -much like those very young 
> Gallinules!
>
> Tsache tower produced a Blue-gray Gnatcatcher, one eagle and at least 13 
> Great Egret
> among the other species present. Before heading back we walked the towpath 
> with not
> much to report other than butterflies and katydids and Sandhill cranes.
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RE: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR Friday- children's specialty day

[Sue Barth]

Hi Sue,

I have a photo of a couple that are pretty close to this stage at:
http://www.chirpsandcheeps.com/.  It's the third row down on the left.
Click on it to enlarge - and then you can enlarge further using the icon at
the top right of the photo.

Hope that helps,
~ Sue

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Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR Friday- children's specialty day

The natal plumage of the young Gallinules still showed their red heads and
wings. I found this video that shows both, but it's not very clear. If
anyone has some photos of them at this stage, I'd love to see them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaU-zGnr4KU

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On Fri, July 18, 2014 19:58, John and Sue Gregoire wrote:
> Wonderful visit to the main refuge this afternoon where it was 
> children's day! On the drive we listened to American Bittern from the 
> shorebird wetland as we watched two Least Bittern criss cross the 
> drive to fetch and return food for their young which were on the east 
> side. Around that same area a we just missed good looks at a Virginia 
> Rail and young but did see several Black Tern, Caspian Tern Green 
> Heron and some real young on the main pool side. Here in the canal we 
> found one group of three adult Gallinule and 7 chicks still in the 
> black natal down. A bit further north, just beyond the red flag, we
spotted many more gallinule chicks that were quite a bit older. That
continued all the way to LaRue's as we saw many more.
>
> We also had many young coot and while watching the antics of those 
> families, up popped two Pied-billed Grebe youngsters and their parent. 
> That area produced many more coot young as we creeped along. Of 
> course, we don't have a decent telephoto lens so our pix are identifiable
but fuzzy -much like those very young Gallinules!
>
> Tsache tower produced a Blue-gray Gnatcatcher, one eagle and at least 
> 13 Great Egret among the other species present. Before heading back we 
> walked the towpath with not much to report other than butterflies and
katydids and Sandhill cranes.
> --
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> Field Ornithologists
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> 5373 Fitzgerald Road
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR shorebird sighitngs Please post.

[David Nicosia]

Meena,

Just got this email. We had around 50 people! I will send a more
comprehensive write-up later on this field trip.
Shorebird-wise.  15 species.

SOLITARY SANDPIPER ( seen by a couple people)
SPOTTED SANDPIPER  (one)
GREATER YELLOWLEGS  (few)
LESSER YELLOWLEGS  (most common shorebird- hundreds)
KILLDEER  (few)
SEMIPALMATED PLOVER (~30)
LEAST SANDPIPER  (many)
SEMIPALMATED SANDPIPER  (many)
WHITE-RUMPED SANDPIPER (at least 3)
PECTORAL SANDPIPER (~ 15)
STILT SANDPIPER (2)
SHORT-BILLED DOWITCHER  1-2
LONG-BILLED DOWITCHER  1
UPLAND SANDPIPER   1 bird that flew over K-M marsh and landed briefly.
RED-NECKED PHALAROPE  seen at Puddler's Marsh first, then K-M marsh,
actively swimming. probably a juvenile.

Dave Nicosia




On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Meena Madhav Haribal 
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> I plan to head that way sometime in the afternoon. Please post what were
> your highlights for the shorebird trip today morning.
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR shorebird sighitngs Please post.

[Dave Nutter]

Meena (& all),
The most interesting shorebirds were far from either Towpath Road or East Road, 
but we had great looks from the dikes on the field trip. The "no unauthorized 
entry" signs have been replaced, so I recommend joining a field trip, even if 
you arrive an hour or two late. The next one is this coming Saturday, 15 
August, leaving from the Montezuma NWR Visitor Center at 8am, led by Steve and 
Linda Benedict.

--Dave Nutter


On Aug 09, 2015, at 03:29 PM, David Nicosia  wrote:

> Meena,
>
> Just got this email. We had around 50 people! I will send a more 
> comprehensive write-up later on this field trip. 
> Shorebird-wise.  15 species. 
>
> SOLITARY SANDPIPER ( seen by a couple people)
> SPOTTED SANDPIPER  (one)
> GREATER YELLOWLEGS  (few)
> LESSER YELLOWLEGS  (most common shorebird- hundreds) 
> KILLDEER  (few)
> SEMIPALMATED PLOVER (~30)
> LEAST SANDPIPER  (many) 
> SEMIPALMATED SANDPIPER  (many)
> WHITE-RUMPED SANDPIPER (at least 3) 
> PECTORAL SANDPIPER (~ 15)
> STILT SANDPIPER (2)
> SHORT-BILLED DOWITCHER  1-2 
> LONG-BILLED DOWITCHER  1
> UPLAND SANDPIPER   1 bird that flew over K-M marsh and landed briefly.
> RED-NECKED PHALAROPE  seen at Puddler's Marsh first, then K-M marsh, actively 
> swimming. probably a juvenile. 
>
> Dave Nicosia 
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Meena Madhav Haribal  
> wrote:
>
> I plan to head that way sometime in the afternoon. Please post what were 
> your highlights for the shorebird trip today morning.
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Meena
>
>
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Sora! Re: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR AMBI LEBI SORA

[M & K Mannella]

SORA Still there at 6:30 pm. What a pretty little bird!

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> On Aug 28, 2016, at 10:04 AM, Suan Yong  wrote:
> 
> Having not come up to Montezuma for way too long, I dragged myself out of bed 
> to get here early. In the first marshy channel to the left along the drive, I 
> soon found with the help of my infrared camera a sora foraging just in the 
> shadows of the reeds, never really coming out in the open until eventually it 
> ran across the channel to the same side as the road but no longer visible. As 
> I panned my infrared camera around I saw a shape at mid-level of the cattails 
> which turned out to be a least bittern, who walked briefly across the reeds 
> about three feet off the surface before flying across and into some deeper 
> reeds. At Eaton Marsh there was an American Bittern foraging perhaps 30 feet 
> away. When I pulled over to photograph it, it froze, pointed up, swayed like 
> the wind, then decided the jig was up and walked away into invisibility.
> 
> There were yellowlegs and at least one peep-ish shorebird at Seneca Flats, 
> but lacking patience with the backlighting and inability to scope from the 
> car, I didn't spend much time there.
> 
> Lots of young gallinule and coots and pb grebes.
> 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR Purple Gallinules 4 May 2023

[Jay McGowan]

Hi Fritzie,
That's an extremely rare bird that hundreds of birders across the state
would have been interested to hear about. Could you provide some more
details about age, field marks, and any behavior?

Jay

On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 4:08 PM job121...@verizon.net 
wrote:

> Sorry for the late post. Last Thursday, 4 May 2023, daughter Becky & I saw
> 2 *purple* *gallinules* at MNWR in the first "pool" after the turn along
> the Thruway.
> We spent that afternoon checking on osprey nests for Candace Cornell's
> project & found new ones down the west side of Cayuga Lake.
> The one reported near Buttonwood Winery on Rte. 89 is actually the Dean's
> Cove nest which I found first, according to my records, on *27 April
> 1999!* The original occupied nest was atop the bare utility pole
> cross-arm. After NYSEG put a riser platform on the pole, the ospreys never
> again built a nest on it until the end of this April. We had been down that
> way on 1 May  & saw one of the birds carrying grass to line the nest.
> Whoopee!!  Finally.  On 4 May, both birds were on the nest.
>
> We saw a VERY rare sight, on our travels ... a *female* pheasant.
> Becky also saw a big brown bat here at home.
> A calling male pheasant was again up behind our house on Sat. a.m..
>
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RE: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR Purple Gallinules 4 May 2023

[Deb Grantham]

That osprey nest near Buttonwood Winery is the one I reported last weekend or 
so! There was an osprey on the perch but I didn’t see any nest building action 
although it looked as if there were some nest materials already there.

Deb


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Subject: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR Purple Gallinules 4 May 2023

Sorry for the late post. Last Thursday, 4 May 2023, daughter Becky & I saw 2 
purple gallinules at MNWR in the first "pool" after the turn along the Thruway.
We spent that afternoon checking on osprey nests for Candace Cornell's project 
& found new ones down the west side of Cayuga Lake.
The one reported near Buttonwood Winery on Rte. 89 is actually the Dean's Cove 
nest which I found first, according to my records, on 27 April 1999! The 
original occupied nest was atop the bare utility pole cross-arm. After NYSEG 
put a riser platform on the pole, the ospreys never again built a nest on it 
until the end of this April. We had been down that way on 1 May  & saw one of 
the birds carrying grass to line the nest. Whoopee!!  Finally.  On 4 May, both 
birds were on the nest.

We saw a VERY rare sight, on our travels ... a female pheasant.
Becky also saw a big brown bat here at home.
A calling male pheasant was again up behind our house on Sat. a.m..

Fritzie, in sunny Union Springs, NY










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Re: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR Marbled Godwit - request for updates

[bob mcguire]

Our group ran into Greg in Savannah yesterday evening around 7 PM when  
he informed us of having recently had the godwit fly over at the  
Visitor's Center. We drove there straight away, checked the Visitor's  
Center pond and the new shorebird ares along the wildlife drive - to  
no avail. Hopefully it will be relocated today.

Bob McGuire
On May 21, 2011, at 11:00 PM,  wrote:

>
>
> Greg Lawrence reported a MARBLED GODWIT at MNWR flying toward the  
> new shorebird area on Wildlife Dr.  Since tomorrow will be Sunday,  
> any updates on the bird would be greatly appreciated.  Perhaps it  
> will stick around another day so those that didn't see it the first  
> time can have a chance.
>
> If you can't post updates from the field, feel free to call or text  
> message me at (315) 373-5350 and I will post.
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR Marbled Godwit - request for updates

[Ann Mitchell]

Gary Kohlenberg and I were are the new shorebird spot at Montezuma around
1:00-2:00 P.M. (maybe earlier) and did not see the Marbled Godwit. We did
see one on 4/23/11.
Best, Ann Mitchell

On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 11:00 PM,  wrote:

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>
> Greg Lawrence reported a MARBLED GODWIT at MNWR flying toward the new
> shorebird area on Wildlife Dr.  Since tomorrow will be Sunday, any updates
> on the bird would be greatly appreciated.  Perhaps it will stick around
> another day so those that didn't see it the first time can have a chance.
>
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> me at (315) 373-5350 and I will post.
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR (Greater White-fronted Goose report), Tues 6/22

[Jay McGowan]

I would guess this is the wild-type GREYLAG GOOSE that has been hanging
around LaRue's Lagoon for a couple of months now (and has been reported as a
Greater White-fronted multiple times on the count sheets at the refuge.)  I
suppose someone should tell them about this bird at some point.

Jay McGowan
jw...@cornell.edu


On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Mark Chao  wrote:

>  IBA Monitoring at Montezuma NWR has reported a GREATER WHITE-FRONTED
> GOOSE at the Main Pool on Tuesday, June 22.
>
> Mark Chao
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RE:[cayugabirds-l] MNWR yesterday evening - Marbled Godwit (6.30PM) and Wilson's Phalarope

[Meena Madhav Haribal]

I forgot to add a LEAST BITTERN was seen from Tow-path Road fly into a cattail 
clump!



Meena



Meena Haribal
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[bounce-105747854-3493...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Meena Madhav Haribal 
[m...@cornell.edu]
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 9:05 AM
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Subject: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR yesterday evening - Marbled Godwit (6.30PM) and 
Wilson's Phalarope


Hi all,

Yesterday, I made a trip specifically for shorebirds to MNWR.

I was interested in seeing the Marbled Godwit, which would make my basin list 
to 308th species!



In the morning I spent time at Salt point with Candace and Robin for the future 
trail preparation as we had already planned. Then I was planning to head to 
Montezuma immediately, but I found I had not got my water bottles. Plus, I 
thought light would be too much from wrong  direction so decided to head home 
and wait till later in the afternoon.

 I headed for MNWR around 1.30  PM. I arrived at Knox-Marcellus around 2.30 PM. 
I found Jason Huck already watching the shorebirds.  So he pointed me the 
direction of the Marbled Godwit. I looked and found one easily, it was feeding 
alone in an area without most of the other shorebirds, closer to Knox 
-Marcellus side.  I watched it for sometime, it fed continuously while I 
watched it. It probed its  beak sometimes partly into the mud and sometimes it 
poked its beak all the way in and ate lot of things.



After watching it for a while, I started looking for other shorebirds, but 
light seemed too harsh. Jason told me he found more shorebirds closer to 
Tow-path road. So I decided to head there.



The road is pot-holed or rather large pan-holed and lots of muddy patches 
filled with water.  I arrived at the point where there was a good view of the 
marsh. But closer spot had very few birds, but among the few birds I found one 
BAIRDS SANDPIPER, which I determined that it was probably an adult in molting 
almost reached the winter plumage.  I saw twice it scare the Semi-palmated 
Sandpiper, which froze when the Baird's came close to it. And Baird's had a 
posture, which I would consider as a threat posture. BTW, I found Obrien, 
Crossely and Karlson book does not have most of the shorebirds showing flight 
pictures, which I thought was rather annoying as they are one of the important 
characters for identifying shorebirds!



Then I scanned the birds further ashore, where I found a flock of Short-billed 
Dowitchers (16) feeding vigorously. As I was scanning the other shorebirds, I 
soon found a bird which I knew was a different from form the other shorebirds, 
soon determined that to be a WILSON'S PHLALROPE. I watched its feeding 
behavior, which was very distinct. It fed in the manner it would feed while 
swimming, but only running instead of swimming. So later I decided I want to 
find it with my binoculars. I was able to pick it up by its behavior every time 
I scanned. Three birds looked like good candidates for White-rumped Sandpipers, 
but they never flew while I watched them.



>From here I could see the American Pelican either sleeping or preening, which 
>would not be visible from the East Road if it was sleeping.



Again, I went back to East Road to look for shorebirds. I did not find anything 
special till Ken Rosenberg and Paul arrived. Ken and Paul picked up lots of 
Stilt Sandpipers feeding far away from the shore. The behavior to look for as 
Ken described was oil drill machines. They feed like Dowitchers but every time 
after the feeding bout would rise up. I thought that was a very appropriate 
description.



We  rediscovered the Marbled Godwit, which had relocated itself among the other 
shorebirds halfway between Tow-path road and Knox-Marcellus, but was easy to 
locate. So it moves a fair bit. So if people are looking for it search the 
whole area. It was there till I left around 6.30 PM.



It was a great day!



Cheers

Meena





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Re: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR Caspian Terns and pedestrians on the Wildlife Drive :(

[Meena Madhav Haribal]

Hi John and all,
My question to you is were the birds disturbed by so many people being out. I 
have been to MNWR for more than 20 years. When I started birding MNWR there was 
no restriction of being in the car. We could walk around on the drive.
I have been to many NWR refuges, nowhere there was restrictions as to be in 
car. I have seen shorebirds and other birds from as close as few feet from me. 
Birds get used to human beings if we are not shooting them or harassing them. 
So why there is so much fuss about disturbing the non_existing birds on the 
wildlife drive.
I am for the one who believe in opening the drive to foot traffic.
I agree if someone is harassing the birds they should be stopped. If someone is 
digiscoping that means birds were  far anyway, so why complain about them?

I vote for wildlife drive should be open for foot traffic!

Cheers
Meena

John VanNiel  wrote:


Many Caspian Terns along the Wildlife Drive at Montezuma this afternoon. I very 
much enjoyed trying to photograph them in flight. (Now the rant..) What I did 
NOT enjoy were all the people out of their vehicles. Every single person in the 
five cars ahead of me were out of the vehicles. A young couple were digiscoping 
with a nice spotting scope on a tripod. Another woman with a large telephoto 
lens was parked in the middle of the drive and was excitedly taking photos. Two 
elderly women were down at the edge of the water snapping pictures of the 
mallows in bloom. I could go on  I moved to Seneca Falls 19 years ago and 
have been a regular visitor since. I cannot recall a year when the foot traffic 
was as bad as I have seen it this year. There are two signs that instruct 
visitors to stay in their vehicles that drivers pass before entering the drive 
and a third reminder after the big left turn before Benning Marsh. However, I 
can understand how visitors would miss seeing them. I think this is a problem 
that needs a solution. I would like to speak to the Refuge staff formally about 
it.  If anyone would like to join me or have me relay his or her thoughts, 
please contact me offline. Thank you for your time.
Dr. John Van Niel
Professor of Environmental Conservation
Director, East Hill Campus
Finger Lakes Community College


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RE: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR Caspian Terns and pedestrians on the Wildlife Drive :(

[John VanNiel]

Meena, this is exactly the kind f discussion I was hoping to instigate. I am 
not against a change in policy, but I am for enforcement of policies.
Dr. John Van Niel
Professor of Environmental Conservation
Director, East Hill Campus
Finger Lakes Community College

From: Meena Madhav Haribal [m...@cornell.edu]
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 5:59 PM
To: John VanNiel
Cc: CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR Caspian Terns and pedestrians on the Wildlife 
Drive :(

Hi John and all,
My question to you is were the birds disturbed by so many people being out. I 
have been to MNWR for more than 20 years. When I started birding MNWR there was 
no restriction of being in the car. We could walk around on the drive.
I have been to many NWR refuges, nowhere there was restrictions as to be in 
car. I have seen shorebirds and other birds from as close as few feet from me. 
Birds get used to human beings if we are not shooting them or harassing them. 
So why there is so much fuss about disturbing the non_existing birds on the 
wildlife drive.
I am for the one who believe in opening the drive to foot traffic.
I agree if someone is harassing the birds they should be stopped. If someone is 
digiscoping that means birds were  far anyway, so why complain about them?

I vote for wildlife drive should be open for foot traffic!

Cheers
Meena

John VanNiel  wrote:


Many Caspian Terns along the Wildlife Drive at Montezuma this afternoon. I very 
much enjoyed trying to photograph them in flight. (Now the rant..) What I did 
NOT enjoy were all the people out of their vehicles. Every single person in the 
five cars ahead of me were out of the vehicles. A young couple were digiscoping 
with a nice spotting scope on a tripod. Another woman with a large telephoto 
lens was parked in the middle of the drive and was excitedly taking photos. Two 
elderly women were down at the edge of the water snapping pictures of the 
mallows in bloom. I could go on  I moved to Seneca Falls 19 years ago and 
have been a regular visitor since. I cannot recall a year when the foot traffic 
was as bad as I have seen it this year. There are two signs that instruct 
visitors to stay in their vehicles that drivers pass before entering the drive 
and a third reminder after the big left turn before Benning Marsh. However, I 
can understand how visitors would miss seeing them. I think this is a problem 
that needs a solution. I would like to speak to the Refuge staff formally about 
it.  If anyone would like to join me or have me relay his or her thoughts, 
please contact me offline. Thank you for your time.
Dr. John Van Niel
Professor of Environmental Conservation
Director, East Hill Campus
Finger Lakes Community College


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RE: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR Caspian Terns and pedestrians on the Wildlife Drive :(

[MW1971]

Hello All,

Again this is up for discussion, normally we say nothing but feel that Meena 
needs some support. We have been to many reserves, parks, nature centers, and 
national parks where the freedom to observe is not resticted yet in our own 
back yard we are not allowed to get of our vehicle on wildlife drive or walk 
our tax supported wildlife areas like Knox-Marcellus. 
We feel it is ridiculus to restrict observers to their vehicles, we have never 
seen any type of distress inflicted on the wildlife by getting out of a vehicle 
that is not already inflicted by Eagles, falcons and Harriers to name a few. 
Most people are very respectful of the wildlife and other observers with a very 
small percentage who seem to be oblivious there are others on the drive by 
parking in the middle of the road. The thing you all should be addressing is 
those that do not respect the speed limit!

Wade and Melissa

On August 2, 2014 6:08:38 PM EDT, John VanNiel  wrote:
>Meena, this is exactly the kind f discussion I was hoping to instigate.
>I am not against a change in policy, but I am for enforcement of
>policies.
>Dr. John Van Niel
>Professor of Environmental Conservation
>Director, East Hill Campus
>Finger Lakes Community College
>
>From: Meena Madhav Haribal [m...@cornell.edu]
>Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 5:59 PM
>To: John VanNiel
>Cc: CAYUGABIRDS-L
>Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR Caspian Terns and pedestrians on the
>Wildlife Drive :(
>
>Hi John and all,
>My question to you is were the birds disturbed by so many people being
>out. I have been to MNWR for more than 20 years. When I started birding
>MNWR there was no restriction of being in the car. We could walk around
>on the drive.
>I have been to many NWR refuges, nowhere there was restrictions as to
>be in car. I have seen shorebirds and other birds from as close as few
>feet from me. Birds get used to human beings if we are not shooting
>them or harassing them. So why there is so much fuss about disturbing
>the non_existing birds on the wildlife drive.
>I am for the one who believe in opening the drive to foot traffic.
>I agree if someone is harassing the birds they should be stopped. If
>someone is digiscoping that means birds were  far anyway, so why
>complain about them?
>
>I vote for wildlife drive should be open for foot traffic!
>
>Cheers
>Meena
>
>John VanNiel  wrote:
>
>
>Many Caspian Terns along the Wildlife Drive at Montezuma this
>afternoon. I very much enjoyed trying to photograph them in flight.
>(Now the rant..) What I did NOT enjoy were all the people out of their
>vehicles. Every single person in the five cars ahead of me were out of
>the vehicles. A young couple were digiscoping with a nice spotting
>scope on a tripod. Another woman with a large telephoto lens was parked
>in the middle of the drive and was excitedly taking photos. Two elderly
>women were down at the edge of the water snapping pictures of the
>mallows in bloom. I could go on  I moved to Seneca Falls 19 years
>ago and have been a regular visitor since. I cannot recall a year when
>the foot traffic was as bad as I have seen it this year. There are two
>signs that instruct visitors to stay in their vehicles that drivers
>pass before entering the drive and a third reminder after the big left
>turn before Benning Marsh. However, I can understand how visitors would
>miss seeing them. I think this is a problem that needs a solution. I
>would like to speak to the Refuge staff formally about it.  If anyone
>would like to join me or have me relay his or her thoughts, please
>contact me offline. Thank you for your time.
>Dr. John Van Niel
>Professor of Environmental Conservation
>Director, East Hill Campus
>Finger Lakes Community College
>
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR Caspian Terns and pedestrians on the Wildlife Drive :(

[Asher Hockett]

And maybe close it to vehicles!! It's a long walk, though.

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR Caspian Terns and pedestrians on the Wildlife Drive :(

[Bard Prentiss]

I don't remember anyone addressing this long standing annoyance in the manner I 
mention below and I think its worth a try:
Perhaps the bird clubs in the region could each submit thoughtful  petitions to 
the director of mnwr requesting a policy change. If Chris didn't mind one might 
also originate with this list serve. It would be difficult for a public servant 
to ignore several hundred signatures behind a group of thoughtfully worded 
letters and It should at least generate a response and get a dialogue going.
Bird Hard Bard

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> On Aug 2, 2014, at 6:08 PM, John VanNiel  wrote:
> 
> Meena, this is exactly the kind f discussion I was hoping to instigate. I am 
> not against a change in policy, but I am for enforcement of policies.
> Dr. John Van Niel
> Professor of Environmental Conservation
> Director, East Hill Campus
> Finger Lakes Community College
> 
> From: Meena Madhav Haribal [m...@cornell.edu]
> Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 5:59 PM
> To: John VanNiel
> Cc: CAYUGABIRDS-L
> Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR Caspian Terns and pedestrians on the 
> Wildlife Drive :(
> 
> Hi John and all,
> My question to you is were the birds disturbed by so many people being out. I 
> have been to MNWR for more than 20 years. When I started birding MNWR there 
> was no restriction of being in the car. We could walk around on the drive.
> I have been to many NWR refuges, nowhere there was restrictions as to be in 
> car. I have seen shorebirds and other birds from as close as few feet from 
> me. Birds get used to human beings if we are not shooting them or harassing 
> them. So why there is so much fuss about disturbing the non_existing birds on 
> the wildlife drive.
> I am for the one who believe in opening the drive to foot traffic.
> I agree if someone is harassing the birds they should be stopped. If someone 
> is digiscoping that means birds were  far anyway, so why complain about them?
> 
> I vote for wildlife drive should be open for foot traffic!
> 
> Cheers
> Meena
> 
> John VanNiel  wrote:
> 
> 
> Many Caspian Terns along the Wildlife Drive at Montezuma this afternoon. I 
> very much enjoyed trying to photograph them in flight. (Now the rant..) What 
> I did NOT enjoy were all the people out of their vehicles. Every single 
> person in the five cars ahead of me were out of the vehicles. A young couple 
> were digiscoping with a nice spotting scope on a tripod. Another woman with a 
> large telephoto lens was parked in the middle of the drive and was excitedly 
> taking photos. Two elderly women were down at the edge of the water snapping 
> pictures of the mallows in bloom. I could go on  I moved to Seneca Falls 
> 19 years ago and have been a regular visitor since. I cannot recall a year 
> when the foot traffic was as bad as I have seen it this year. There are two 
> signs that instruct visitors to stay in their vehicles that drivers pass 
> before entering the drive and a third reminder after the big left turn before 
> Benning Marsh. However, I can understand how visitors would miss seeing them. 
> I think this is a problem that needs a solution. I would like to speak to the 
> Refuge staff formally about it.  If anyone would like to join me or have me 
> relay his or her thoughts, please contact me offline. Thank you for your time.
> Dr. John Van Niel
> Professor of Environmental Conservation
> Director, East Hill Campus
> Finger Lakes Community College
> 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR Caspian Terns and pedestrians on the Wildlife Drive :(

[Lisa Welch]

I find it counter-intuitive that a large, motorized, polluting, loud, deadly 
vehicle is preferable to a human being on foot, or on a bicycle.  Perhaps it's 
people AND cars that scares the birds.  :-) 


On Saturday, August 2, 2014 7:47 PM, Bard Prentiss  
wrote:
  


I don't remember anyone addressing this long standing annoyance in the manner I 
mention below and I think its worth a try:
Perhaps the bird clubs in the region could each submit thoughtful  petitions to 
the director of mnwr requesting a policy change. If Chris didn't mind one might 
also originate with this list serve. It would be difficult for a public servant 
to ignore several hundred signatures behind a group of thoughtfully worded 
letters and It should at least generate a response and get a dialogue going.
Bird Hard Bard

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 2, 2014, at 6:08 PM, John VanNiel  wrote:
> 
> Meena, this is exactly the kind f discussion I was hoping to instigate. I am 
> not against a change in policy, but I am for enforcement of policies.
> Dr. John Van Niel
> Professor of Environmental Conservation
> Director, East Hill Campus
> Finger Lakes Community College
> 
> From: Meena Madhav Haribal [m...@cornell.edu]
> Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 5:59 PM
> To: John VanNiel
> Cc: CAYUGABIRDS-L
> Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] MNWR Caspian Terns and pedestrians on the 
> Wildlife Drive :(
> 
> Hi John and all,
> My question to you is were the birds disturbed by so many people being out. I 
> have been to MNWR for more than 20 years. When I started birding MNWR there 
> was no restriction of being in the car. We could walk around on the drive.
> I have been to many NWR refuges, nowhere there was restrictions as to be in 
> car. I have seen shorebirds and other birds from as close as few feet from 
> me. Birds get used to human beings if we are not shooting them or harassing 
> them. So why there is so much fuss about disturbing the non_existing birds on 
> the wildlife drive.
> I am for the one who believe in opening the drive to foot traffic.
> I agree if someone is harassing the birds they should be stopped. If someone 
> is digiscoping that means birds were  far anyway, so why complain about them?
> 
> I vote for wildlife drive should be open for foot traffic!
> 
> Cheers
> Meena
> 
> John VanNiel  wrote:
> 
> 
> Many Caspian Terns along the Wildlife Drive at Montezuma this afternoon. I 
> very much enjoyed trying to photograph them in flight. (Now the rant..) What 
> I did NOT enjoy were all the people out of their vehicles. Every single 
> person in the five cars ahead of me were out of the vehicles. A young couple 
> were digiscoping with a nice spotting scope on a tripod. Another woman with a 
> large telephoto lens was parked in the middle of the drive and was excitedly 
> taking photos. Two elderly women were down at the edge of the water snapping 
> pictures of the mallows in bloom. I could go on  I moved to Seneca Falls 
> 19 years ago and have been a regular visitor since. I cannot recall a year 
> when the foot traffic was as bad as I have seen it this year. There are two 
> signs that instruct visitors to stay in their vehicles that drivers pass 
> before entering the drive and a third reminder after the big left turn before 
> Benning Marsh. However, I can understand how visitors
 would miss seeing them. I think this is a problem that needs a solution. I 
would like to speak to the Refuge staff formally about it.  If anyone would 
like to join me or have me relay his or her thoughts, please contact me 
offline. Thank you for your time.
> Dr. John Van Niel
> Professor of Environmental Conservation
> Director, East Hill Campus
> Finger Lakes Community College
> 
> 
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