Re: [ccp4bb] 3D model building without CRT monitor

[Salam Al-Karadaghi]

Just a couple of days ago I received e-mail from a French company with the
following content:

we offer professional stereo glasses, fully compatible with all the the
stereo capable software (O, Coot, Xfit, Molmol, Accelrys, Tripos.).

we can provide you with a demo unit for testing purposes if need be.

And we would like to take the opportunity of this mail, to introduce the
brand new LCD product from Nuvision the Perceiva DSD190. This 19''
stereo monitor is delivered with Lightweight passive glasses and is fully
compatible with all stereo ready software.

*Hervé SCHWERTZ*
ZA Les Priaux
07430 VERNOSC
Tel: 04 75 69 00 40
Fax: 04 75 69 00 48
Web : http://www.pixeltech.fr



I hope you find this useful, we will try the glasses to start with,

Salam Al-Karadaghi




-Original Message-
From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
PhilEvans
Sent: den 5 juni 2008 23:17
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] 3D model building without CRT monitor

We now have a Planar system, which works very nicely with coot, O ,  
ccp4mg etc. Rather expensive though

Phil Evans

On 2 Jun 2008, at 17:06, Mike Latchem wrote:

> These "new" TFT monitors do seem like a really good idea, but, it is
> well worth doing in depth research as most of the accessible (Cheap)
> ones designed for gaming currently only operate with directX. As I
> understand it there are plans to make these work with openGL as well  
> as
> directX so they should work with programs like coot etc. Just be  
> careful
> and confirm with the people supplying the TFT that it will work with
> your software package of choice.
>
> P.S. a colleague of mine who is interested in tomography suggested the
> planar TFTs work well (they are also very expensive and bulky) - but  
> be
> sure to confirm they work with your software of choice before paying  
> for
> one
>
> http://www.planar3d.com/
>
> Regards
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Mon, 2008-06-02 at 11:51 -0400, Jim Fairman wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> There is a new company around that makes a 3D capable 22 inch flat
>> screen LCD monitor (http://www.iz3d.com) capable of a maximum
>> resolution of 1680x1050.  It is originally designed for the purpose  
>> of
>> playing video games in 3D, but looks promising for ridding ourselves
>> of the huge bulky CRTs.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Warren DeLano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>For used-stereo-3D-capable-CRT seekers, our stereo 3D page may
>>be of some use.  A number of target monitors are listed.
>>
>>http://pymol.sourceforge.net/stereo3d.html
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: CCP4 bulletin board on behalf of Krojer,Tobias
>>Sent: Mon 6/2/2008 5:24 AM
>>To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
>>Subject: [ccp4bb] 3D model building without CRT monitor
>>
>>Dear all,
>>
>>recently some of our CRT monitors broke down and we realized
>>that these
>>monitors are no longer produced. However, we would still like
>>to
>>continue model building in 3D which is apparently not possible
>>with
>>current TFT displays. Beside the possibility of getting old
>>CRT monitors
>>at ebay, I was wondering how other groups solved this problem.
>>
>>Thank you very much for suggestions!
>>best wishes,
>>Tobias
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Tobias Krojer, PhD
>>IMP (Research Institute of Molecular Pathology)
>>Dr. Bohr-Gasse 7
>>1030 Vienna
>>Austria
>>Tel.: +43-1-797303358
>>Fax.: +43-1-7987153
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Jim Fairman
>> Graduate Research Assistant
>> Department of Biochemistry, Cellular, and Molecular Biology (BCMB)
>> University of Tennessee -- Knoxville
>> 216-368-3337 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [ccp4bb] 3D model building without CRT monitor

[Jeffrey Wilson]

On Jun 2, 2008, at 11:51 AM, Jim Fairman wrote:
There is a new company around that makes a 3D capable 22 inch flat  
screen LCD monitor (http://www.iz3d.com) capable of a maximum  
resolution of 1680x1050.  It is originally designed for the purpose  
of playing video games in 3D, but looks promising for ridding  
ourselves of the huge bulky CRTs.


I have looked at the specs for this iz3d monitor and the Zalman  
ZM-220W (http://www.zalman.co.kr/eng/product/Product_read.asp? 
Idx=219).  Both are attractive since they are passive stereo.  Under  
linux, I am pretty sure neither of these will work, at least not with  
a Nvidia card.  The iz3d uses a non-standard "front-back" 3D imaging,  
and you need their special drivers only available on Windoz.  The  
Zalman is a bit more promising since it does "left-right", but the  
monitor uses interlacing to present the left & right images.  The  
nvidia xorg driver does have two interlaced stereo modes for quadro  
cards, but who knows if either of these would work.


On Jun 5, 2008, at 5:57 PM, James M. Vergis wrote:
Has anyone tried a 3D DLP-TV?  They have the input for a  
stereographics
emitter.  Probably too big for a desktop but at 50-72" they would  
work in a
conference room.  They range in price from $1900-3500.  Here is the  
link for
the SAMSUNG website http://product.samsung.com/dlp3d/index.html.   
Mitsubishi

also sells 3D TVs... I'm not sure about other manufacturers.



I was at the National Association of Broadcasters meeting in Las Vegas  
this year (don't ask why) and I saw demonstrations of a lot of 3D  
television technology.  Specifically, TDVision Systems, Inc. was  
demoing one of these Samsung 3D DLPs with a Star Wars III clip in HD.   
The 3D effect was pretty nice.  As James mentioned, they were using an  
emitter & shutter glass setup (which is an add-on product for a few  
extra $100).  The reason that this is possible is the 120Hz technology  
now available in these HDTVs.  I am very curious if the new 120Hz LCD  
HDTVs could also be used for stereo purposes.  I am just not sure if  
they would accept and respect a 120Hz signal over VGA/DVI input.  A  
50" HDTV in a conference room doing 3D presentations would be pretty  
cool.


This fall TDVision is also supposed to release a HD head mount display  
that can do 3D at 1280x768.  This is significantly better than the  
800x600 resolution of most HDMs.


I do have to agree that 3D is a bit more of a novelty than actually  
being useful.  Realspace refinement in coot has reduced the  
effectiveness of 3d stereo.  That being said, if drivers are made for  
that ZM-220W or if 120Hz LCDs come to the desktop market, I will  
probably start using the stereo technology again.


That's my 2.1 cents adjusted for inflation.

Jeff

Jeffrey Wilson, Ph.D.
University of Cincinnati College of Medicine
Molecular Genetics Department
231 Albert Sabin Way
MSB 3109A
Cincinnati, OH 45267-0524
(513) 558-4651

Re: [ccp4bb] 3D model building without CRT monitor

[James M. Vergis]

Has anyone tried a 3D DLP-TV?  They have the input for a stereographics
emitter.  Probably too big for a desktop but at 50-72" they would work in a
conference room.  They range in price from $1900-3500.  Here is the link for
the SAMSUNG website http://product.samsung.com/dlp3d/index.html.  Mitsubishi
also sells 3D TVs... I'm not sure about other manufacturers.

James


James M. Vergis, Ph.D.
University of Virginia Molecular Physiology and Biological Physics
MKWEINR 438 Jordan Hall
1340 Jefferson Park Ave
Charlottesville, VA 22908-0736
phone: 434-243-2730   FAX: 434-982-1616
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



-Original Message-
From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Vangelis Christodoulou
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 2:02 PM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] 3D model building without CRT monitor

There is a 20-inch (20-3D2W04) display that costs around $6000. For  
$13000 you get a 42-inch, so I guess the 52-inch that was introduced  
today will cost  a lot.

Vangelis

On Jun 5, 2008, at 7:30 PM, Juergen Bosch wrote:

>> Interesting!  Their PDF says it works with OpenGL:
>>
http://www.business-sites.philips.com/assets/Downloadablefile//2006-05-30-Te
chnology-backgrounder-13560.pdf
>>
>> Does it mean it will work in Coot as is?
>>
>> Dima
>>
> If you don't mind the 12K price tag, maybe.
>
> Juergen
>
> -- 
> Jürgen Bosch
> University of Washington
> Dept. of Biochemistry, K-426
> 1705 NE Pacific Street
> Seattle, WA 98195
> Box 357742
> Phone: +1-206-616-4510
> FAX:   +1-206-685-7002
> Web: http://faculty.washington.edu/jbosch

Re: [ccp4bb] 3D model building without CRT monitor

[PhilEvans]

We now have a Planar system, which works very nicely with coot, O ,  
ccp4mg etc. Rather expensive though


Phil Evans

On 2 Jun 2008, at 17:06, Mike Latchem wrote:


These "new" TFT monitors do seem like a really good idea, but, it is
well worth doing in depth research as most of the accessible (Cheap)
ones designed for gaming currently only operate with directX. As I
understand it there are plans to make these work with openGL as well  
as
directX so they should work with programs like coot etc. Just be  
careful

and confirm with the people supplying the TFT that it will work with
your software package of choice.

P.S. a colleague of mine who is interested in tomography suggested the
planar TFTs work well (they are also very expensive and bulky) - but  
be
sure to confirm they work with your software of choice before paying  
for

one

http://www.planar3d.com/

Regards

Mike


On Mon, 2008-06-02 at 11:51 -0400, Jim Fairman wrote:

Hello all,

There is a new company around that makes a 3D capable 22 inch flat
screen LCD monitor (http://www.iz3d.com) capable of a maximum
resolution of 1680x1050.  It is originally designed for the purpose  
of

playing video games in 3D, but looks promising for ridding ourselves
of the huge bulky CRTs.

Cheers

On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Warren DeLano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

   For used-stereo-3D-capable-CRT seekers, our stereo 3D page may
   be of some use.  A number of target monitors are listed.

   http://pymol.sourceforge.net/stereo3d.html

   -Original Message-
   From: CCP4 bulletin board on behalf of Krojer,Tobias
   Sent: Mon 6/2/2008 5:24 AM
   To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
   Subject: [ccp4bb] 3D model building without CRT monitor

   Dear all,

   recently some of our CRT monitors broke down and we realized
   that these
   monitors are no longer produced. However, we would still like
   to
   continue model building in 3D which is apparently not possible
   with
   current TFT displays. Beside the possibility of getting old
   CRT monitors
   at ebay, I was wondering how other groups solved this problem.

   Thank you very much for suggestions!
   best wishes,
   Tobias




   Tobias Krojer, PhD
   IMP (Research Institute of Molecular Pathology)
   Dr. Bohr-Gasse 7
   1030 Vienna
   Austria
   Tel.: +43-1-797303358
   Fax.: +43-1-7987153








--
Jim Fairman
Graduate Research Assistant
Department of Biochemistry, Cellular, and Molecular Biology (BCMB)
University of Tennessee -- Knoxville
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Re: [ccp4bb] 3D model building without CRT monitor

[Vangelis Christodoulou]

There is a 20-inch (20-3D2W04) display that costs around $6000. For  
$13000 you get a 42-inch, so I guess the 52-inch that was introduced  
today will cost  a lot.


Vangelis

On Jun 5, 2008, at 7:30 PM, Juergen Bosch wrote:


Interesting!  Their PDF says it works with OpenGL:
http://www.business-sites.philips.com/assets/Downloadablefile//2006-05-30-Technology-backgrounder-13560.pdf

Does it mean it will work in Coot as is?

Dima


If you don't mind the 12K price tag, maybe.

Juergen

--
Jürgen Bosch
University of Washington
Dept. of Biochemistry, K-426
1705 NE Pacific Street
Seattle, WA 98195
Box 357742
Phone:   +1-206-616-4510
FAX: +1-206-685-7002
Web: http://faculty.washington.edu/jbosch

Re: [ccp4bb] 3D model building without CRT monitor

[Juergen Bosch]

Dima Klenchin wrote:


Vangelis Christodoulou wrote:


Philips is offering an interesting solution:
http://www.business-sites.philips.com/3dsolutions/products/3dscreens/index.html 




Interesting!  Their PDF says it works with OpenGL:
http://www.business-sites.philips.com/assets/Downloadablefile//2006-05-30-Technology-backgrounder-13560.pdf 



Does it mean it will work in Coot as is?

Dima


If you don't mind the 12K price tag, maybe.

Juergen

--
Jürgen Bosch
University of Washington
Dept. of Biochemistry, K-426
1705 NE Pacific Street
Seattle, WA 98195
Box 357742
Phone:   +1-206-616-4510
FAX: +1-206-685-7002
Web: http://faculty.washington.edu/jbosch

Re: [ccp4bb] 3D model building without CRT monitor

[Dima Klenchin]

Vangelis Christodoulou wrote:

Philips is offering an interesting solution:
http://www.business-sites.philips.com/3dsolutions/products/3dscreens/index.html


Interesting!  Their PDF says it works with OpenGL:
http://www.business-sites.philips.com/assets/Downloadablefile//2006-05-30-Technology-backgrounder-13560.pdf 



Does it mean it will work in Coot as is?

Dima

Re: [ccp4bb] 3D model building without CRT monitor

[Vangelis Christodoulou]

Philips is offering an interesting solution:
http://www.business-sites.philips.com/3dsolutions/products/3dscreens/index.html

Vangelis

On Jun 2, 2008, at 2:10 PM, Krojer,Tobias wrote:


Dear all,

recently some of our CRT monitors broke down and we realized that  
these monitors are no longer produced. However, we would still like  
to continue model building in 3D which is apparently not possible  
with current TFT displays. Beside the possibility of getting old CRT  
monitors at ebay, I was wondering how other groups solved this  
problem.


Thank you very much for suggestions!
best wishes,
Tobias




Tobias Krojer, PhD
IMP (Research Institute of Molecular Pathology)
Dr. Bohr-Gasse 7
1030 Vienna
Austria
Tel.: +43-1-797303358
Fax.: +43-1-7987153

Re: [ccp4bb] 3D model building without CRT monitor

[Nadir T. Mrabet]

Hi,
I bought myself a brand-new Viewsonic P227f crt less than a year ago (in 
France).

So I suspected this item to be still available. But no longer!.
I however found something that might still be of interest to you 
(http://www.viewsonic.com/products/crtmonitors/graphicseries/g90fB/).

Seems to be the one and only crt from Viewsonic (but only 19").
Cheers,
Nadir

--

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   Cellular & Molecular Biochemistry
   INSERM U-724
   Nancy University, School of Medicine
   9, Avenue de la Foret de Haye, BP 184
   54505 Vandoeuvre-les-Nancy Cedex
   France
   Phone: +33 (0)3.83.68.32.73
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   E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Cell.: +33 (0)6.11.35.69.09



Krojer,Tobias wrote:

Dear all,
 
recently some of our CRT monitors broke down and we realized that 
these monitors are no longer produced. However, we would still like to 
continue model building in 3D which is apparently not possible with 
current TFT displays. Beside the possibility of getting old CRT 
monitors at ebay, I was wondering how other groups solved this problem.
 
Thank you very much for suggestions!

best wishes,
Tobias
 
 
 
 
Tobias Krojer, PhD

IMP (Research Institute of Molecular Pathology)
Dr. Bohr-Gasse 7
1030 Vienna
Austria
Tel.: +43-1-797303358
Fax.: +43-1-7987153

Re: [ccp4bb] 3D model building without CRT monitor

[Mike Latchem]

These "new" TFT monitors do seem like a really good idea, but, it is
well worth doing in depth research as most of the accessible (Cheap)
ones designed for gaming currently only operate with directX. As I
understand it there are plans to make these work with openGL as well as
directX so they should work with programs like coot etc. Just be careful
and confirm with the people supplying the TFT that it will work with
your software package of choice.

P.S. a colleague of mine who is interested in tomography suggested the
planar TFTs work well (they are also very expensive and bulky) - but be
sure to confirm they work with your software of choice before paying for
one

http://www.planar3d.com/

Regards 

Mike


On Mon, 2008-06-02 at 11:51 -0400, Jim Fairman wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> There is a new company around that makes a 3D capable 22 inch flat
> screen LCD monitor (http://www.iz3d.com) capable of a maximum
> resolution of 1680x1050.  It is originally designed for the purpose of
> playing video games in 3D, but looks promising for ridding ourselves
> of the huge bulky CRTs.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Warren DeLano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> For used-stereo-3D-capable-CRT seekers, our stereo 3D page may
> be of some use.  A number of target monitors are listed.
> 
> http://pymol.sourceforge.net/stereo3d.html
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: CCP4 bulletin board on behalf of Krojer,Tobias
> Sent: Mon 6/2/2008 5:24 AM
> To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: [ccp4bb] 3D model building without CRT monitor
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> recently some of our CRT monitors broke down and we realized
> that these
> monitors are no longer produced. However, we would still like
> to
> continue model building in 3D which is apparently not possible
> with
> current TFT displays. Beside the possibility of getting old
> CRT monitors
> at ebay, I was wondering how other groups solved this problem.
> 
> Thank you very much for suggestions!
> best wishes,
> Tobias
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Tobias Krojer, PhD
> IMP (Research Institute of Molecular Pathology)
> Dr. Bohr-Gasse 7
> 1030 Vienna
> Austria
> Tel.: +43-1-797303358
> Fax.: +43-1-7987153
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jim Fairman
> Graduate Research Assistant
> Department of Biochemistry, Cellular, and Molecular Biology (BCMB)
> University of Tennessee -- Knoxville
> 216-368-3337 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [ccp4bb] 3D model building without CRT monitor

[Jim Fairman]

Hello all,

There is a new company around that makes a 3D capable 22 inch flat screen
LCD monitor (http://www.iz3d.com) capable of a maximum resolution of
1680x1050.  It is originally designed for the purpose of playing video games
in 3D, but looks promising for ridding ourselves of the huge bulky CRTs.

Cheers

On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Warren DeLano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> For used-stereo-3D-capable-CRT seekers, our stereo 3D page may be of some
> use.  A number of target monitors are listed.
>
> http://pymol.sourceforge.net/stereo3d.html
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CCP4 bulletin board on behalf of Krojer,Tobias
> Sent: Mon 6/2/2008 5:24 AM
> To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
> Subject: [ccp4bb] 3D model building without CRT monitor
>
> Dear all,
>
> recently some of our CRT monitors broke down and we realized that these
> monitors are no longer produced. However, we would still like to
> continue model building in 3D which is apparently not possible with
> current TFT displays. Beside the possibility of getting old CRT monitors
> at ebay, I was wondering how other groups solved this problem.
>
> Thank you very much for suggestions!
> best wishes,
> Tobias
>
>
>
>
> Tobias Krojer, PhD
> IMP (Research Institute of Molecular Pathology)
> Dr. Bohr-Gasse 7
> 1030 Vienna
> Austria
> Tel.: +43-1-797303358
> Fax.: +43-1-7987153
>
>
>


-- 
Jim Fairman
Graduate Research Assistant
Department of Biochemistry, Cellular, and Molecular Biology (BCMB)
University of Tennessee -- Knoxville
216-368-3337 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [ccp4bb] 3D model building without CRT monitor

[Warren DeLano]

For used-stereo-3D-capable-CRT seekers, our stereo 3D page may be of some use.  
A number of target monitors are listed.

http://pymol.sourceforge.net/stereo3d.html

-Original Message-
From: CCP4 bulletin board on behalf of Krojer,Tobias
Sent: Mon 6/2/2008 5:24 AM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: [ccp4bb] 3D model building without CRT monitor
 
Dear all,
 
recently some of our CRT monitors broke down and we realized that these
monitors are no longer produced. However, we would still like to
continue model building in 3D which is apparently not possible with
current TFT displays. Beside the possibility of getting old CRT monitors
at ebay, I was wondering how other groups solved this problem.
 
Thank you very much for suggestions!
best wishes,
Tobias
 
 
 
 
Tobias Krojer, PhD
IMP (Research Institute of Molecular Pathology)
Dr. Bohr-Gasse 7
1030 Vienna
Austria
Tel.: +43-1-797303358
Fax.: +43-1-7987153

Re: [ccp4bb] 3D model building without CRT monitor

[David Roberts]

Title: Message




I've had good luck with refurbished monitors off the web.  Just do a
google search for a sun monitor (for example) and it should come up. 
Otherwise, go to pricewatch.com and search for crt monitors there. 
They may have some external case dents, but the monitors are usually
crisp and last being on for at least 2-3 years.  They are all
refurbished monitors.  Their cost is generally $30 for the monitor (or
something ridiculously cheap) and then around $100 to ship
(unfortunately).  Not a bad overall price if you want stereo.

I will say, I teach a class on crystallography to undergrad students. 
In the past I had SGI's, with dial boxes and stereo.  When I switched
to linux, I changed to coot, and away went the dial boxes (but I do
still do stereo).  In the past, students only used stereo and really
liked the dial boxes.  Now, with the graphics of coot and it's fitting
algorithms, the real need for stereo was nothing more than an oddity,
and so they did use stereo at times but it wasn't used as much.  I do
think stereo has a great purpose, especially in the education part and
the final evaluation, but I'm not sure it's needed as much for the
actual model building.

Cheers

Dave



Krojer,Tobias wrote:

  
  
  
  Dear all,
   
  recently some of our CRT monitors
broke down and we realized that these monitors are no longer produced.
However, we would still like
to continue model building in 3D which is apparently not possible with
current TFT displays. Beside the possibility of getting old CRT monitors at ebay,
I was wondering how other groups solved this problem.
   
  Thank you very much for
suggestions!
  best
wishes,
  Tobias
   
   
   
   
  
  Tobias Krojer, PhD
  IMP (Research Institute
of Molecular Pathology)
Dr. Bohr-Gasse 7
1030 Vienna
Austria
Tel.: +43-1-797303358
  Fax.: +43-1-7987153
  

Re: [ccp4bb] 3D model building without CRT monitor

[Dirk Kostrewa]

Hi Tobias,

we bought good, refurbished 22'' CRT monitors at eBay. Make sure to  
get monitors that have a horizontal refresh rate of about 130 kHz (or  
even higher), since this is usually the bottleneck. You need a  
horizontal refresh rate of ~123.5 kHz to display a stereo image with  
1280x960 pixels at 2x60Hz.


Good luck,

Dirk Kostrewa.

Am 02.06.2008 um 14:10 schrieb Krojer,Tobias:


Dear all,

recently some of our CRT monitors broke down and we realized that  
these monitors are no longer produced. However, we would still like  
to continue model building in 3D which is apparently not possible  
with current TFT displays. Beside the possibility of getting old CRT  
monitors at ebay, I was wondering how other groups solved this  
problem.


Thank you very much for suggestions!
best wishes,
Tobias




Tobias Krojer, PhD
IMP (Research Institute of Molecular Pathology)
Dr. Bohr-Gasse 7
1030 Vienna
Austria
Tel.: +43-1-797303358
Fax.: +43-1-7987153



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