Re: Retire cctech
I'm good with the duality going away. I see in a day longer ago that the split made sense and also was more useful. I don't think I've seen the cctech separate out much that can't be located and followed anyway. Appreciate all the efforts. I'll look at my archives. I think Jay had all I had the he did not. I also have a very long archive composed of emails and not from scraping the archives off the web page, though I don't know that is much use. thanks Jim On 7/13/2022 7:01 PM, Dennis Boone via cctalk wrote: > Are the old posts all archived and searchable? I have a gap from 2016 > through 2022, and before that it is complete back to Mar 29, 2007 (I > think it is complete). I think I have cctech back to 2005 for import into the new mailman web system. I also have the mailman2 pipermail archives that go back to 2014. I have cctalk archives back to the beginning in 1998? to load, and the pipermail back to 2014. The pipermail archives are online now. The stuff to load still requires some massaging to get it to load cleanly. Since it's somewhere north of 400,000 messages, and I'm not getting diagnostics about _why_ some messages aren't getting loaded, it's taking some time to finish the cleanup. De
Re: Floppy Cables & "twists"
I'll add that just switching the motor and select lines does mean that both the internal drive and the external drive must have termination on all the other (input) lines. That probably accounted for my "too low drive current" issue. You could switch all of the lines, but that may be easier said than done. --Chuck
Re: Floppy Cables & "twists"
On 7/12/22 22:08, Dave Dunfield via cctalk wrote: > After recently selling my ImageDisk system, and having a few spare older PC... I ran into a similar situation with a newer-than-P3 single-drive motherboard. I'd switch from the internal 3.5" 1.44M drive to an external 5.25" 360K drive.It turns out that the onboard SuperIO chip didn't have enough drive current to handle a 5.25" drive with 150 ohm pullup terminators. Changed the 150 ohm packs out for 2Kohm and things worked fine. IIRC, this was a Socket 939 system. Handled FM very well. You could also construct a small buffer board using something like 7407s to provide a little more drive. FWIW, Chuck
Re: Retire cctech
> Are the old posts all archived and searchable? I have a gap from 2016 > through 2022, and before that it is complete back to Mar 29, 2007 (I > think it is complete). I think I have cctech back to 2005 for import into the new mailman web system. I also have the mailman2 pipermail archives that go back to 2014. I have cctalk archives back to the beginning in 1998? to load, and the pipermail back to 2014. The pipermail archives are online now. The stuff to load still requires some massaging to get it to load cleanly. Since it's somewhere north of 400,000 messages, and I'm not getting diagnostics about _why_ some messages aren't getting loaded, it's taking some time to finish the cleanup. De
Re: Retire cctech
On 2022/07/13 3:00 p.m., Dennis Boone via cctalk wrote: Folks, I've belatedly realized that it's going to be a bit of a headache to implement the old cctalk/cctech crossposting duality under the new version of mailman. I seem to recall a discussion about retiring the cctech list and just continuing with cctalk, and that the consensus was in favor of that. I'll call this message a consent agenda indicating that I plan to do that, unless there's loud outcry. De Are the old posts all archived and searchable? I have a gap from 2016 through 2022, and before that it is complete back to Mar 29, 2007 (I think it is complete). Merging makes sense to me. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3 Call (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out"
Floppy Cables & "twists"
After recently selling my ImageDisk system, and having a few spare older PC mainboards - I decided to make another - I did find a board that seems to have a decent FDC - it does all single density formats (many don't). Alas, it is "slightly newer enough" to only implement one floppy drive on it's interface - floppy B: does not appear at all to the system. Ripping the cable off the front panel drive to connect an external one is somewhat painful - Since the PC normally has a twisted cable to swap Select1&Motor1 with Select2&Motor2 to put each set on Select2&Motor2 of different connectors, I thought I could just use a flat cable and add a switch near the PC end to switch Select1&Motor1 to go to either Select1&Motor1 -OR- Select2/Motor2 on both connectors with the internal drive set to 1: and a cable coming out the back for drives jumpered as 2: That way I could just "flip a switch" to choose between internal drive 1: or the external drive(s) 2: (either would appear as A: depending on the switch). But when I try to access a drive jumpered as 1:, it does select, but the motor doesn't turn on. This happens even without my "special" cable. If I connect the drive (by itself) on the PC side of the twist on a standard cable, the motor doesn't work. The twist swaps Select1&Motor1 to Select2&Motor2 on the farthest connector, and since a standard drive is jumpered as 2: - This should put the 1: signals to 2: for a drive in that position - all other wires are "straight through". It looks as if some other signals is expected to behave differently when the drive is jumpered as 1: (I've tried this with a couple of different drives) - anyone know whats going on? Dave (I can use the message archive to check for responses every few days, so replying here is OK). -- -- Search "Dave's Old Computers" see "my personal" at bottom!
Re: Retire cctech
Hi Dennis, That makes complete sense - All of my cc* related emails get forwarded into a single folder here anyway. Kindest regards, Doug Jackson em: d...@doughq.com ph: 0414 986878 Check out my awesome clocks at www.dougswordclocks.com Follow my amateur radio adventures at vk1zdj.net --- Just like an old fashioned letter, this email and any files transmitted with it should probably be treated as confidential and intended solely for your own use. Please note that any interesting spelling is usually my own and may have been caused by fat thumbs on a tiny tiny keyboard. Should any part of this message prove to be useful in the event of the imminent Zombie Apocalypse then the sender bears no personal, legal, or moral responsibility for any outcome resulting from its usage unless the result of said usage is the unlikely defeat of the Zombie Hordes in which case the sender takes full credit without any theoretical or actual legal liability. :-) Be nice to your parents. Go outside and do something awesome - Draw, paint, walk, setup a radio station, go fishing or sailing - just do something that makes you happy. ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G- In more laid back days this line would literally sing ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G ^G On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 at 08:01, Dennis Boone via cctalk wrote: > Folks, > > I've belatedly realized that it's going to be a bit of a headache to > implement the old cctalk/cctech crossposting duality under the new > version of mailman. > > I seem to recall a discussion about retiring the cctech list and just > continuing with cctalk, and that the consensus was in favor of that. > > I'll call this message a consent agenda indicating that I plan to do > that, unless there's loud outcry. > > De >
Re: Retire cctech
On Jul 13, 2022, at 3:00 PM, Dennis Boone via cctalk wrote: > > Folks, > > I've belatedly realized that it's going to be a bit of a headache to > implement the old cctalk/cctech crossposting duality under the new > version of mailman. > > I seem to recall a discussion about retiring the cctech list and just > continuing with cctalk, and that the consensus was in favor of that. > > I'll call this message a consent agenda indicating that I plan to do > that, unless there's loud outcry. > > De I’m fine with that. I never cared for the duality. Zane
Retire cctech
Folks, I've belatedly realized that it's going to be a bit of a headache to implement the old cctalk/cctech crossposting duality under the new version of mailman. I seem to recall a discussion about retiring the cctech list and just continuing with cctalk, and that the consensus was in favor of that. I'll call this message a consent agenda indicating that I plan to do that, unless there's loud outcry. De
Re: Kinetic Systems 2920-Z2B.
On 6/27/22 08:34, Mark Kahrs via cctalk wrote: Anyone have one of these haunting their Q bus board pile? The LSSM would deadly like one. Bad news. We had a big cleanup in our lab last year, and got rid of a LOT of stuff. I'm pretty sure we had a 2922, that was the CAMAC crate controller that may have been used with the 2920. Was the 2920 the Q-bus board that connected to a crate controller via a hand-made multicolor twisted pair ribbon cable? I think that went out a LONG time ago. I did have recently at home a KSC crate controller that had an LSI-11 inside it, but I think that went to recycling about 2 years ago. Sorry! Jon
Re: How to reproduce the DEC cabinets' grey colour paint?
On Wed, 13 Jul 2022, Matt Burke via cctalk wrote: On 13/07/2022 07:11, P Gebhardt via cctalk wrote: Hello list, does anybody of you know colour codes or the mixture to obtain the grey paint that DEC used for their early H960 cabinet side panels as well as for their later cabinet from the 80s and 90s like the H9A10 or H9A15? Some of the colours are listed in DEC-STD-092 (http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/standards/EL-00092-00-0_F_Finish_and_Color_Standard_Dec82.pdf) though it's not immediately obvious which one is the grey for the cabinet side panels. Even then I think it's tricky to map to something you can actually buy. MUN is short for Munsell. Not sure about CHM. There's a number of resources on the net for looking up Munsell color numbers, and that might get you to what the color actually looks like. A dedicated paint store may even be able to mix up paint based on the original Munsell color code. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
Re: How to reproduce the DEC cabinets' grey colour paint?
On 13/07/2022 07:11, P Gebhardt via cctalk wrote: > Hello list, > > does anybody of you know colour codes or the mixture to obtain the grey paint > that DEC used for their early H960 cabinet side panels as well as for their > later cabinet from the 80s and 90s like the H9A10 or H9A15? Some of the colours are listed in DEC-STD-092 (http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/standards/EL-00092-00-0_F_Finish_and_Color_Standard_Dec82.pdf) though it's not immediately obvious which one is the grey for the cabinet side panels. Even then I think it's tricky to map to something you can actually buy. MUN is short for Munsell. Not sure about CHM. The other question is how to reproduce the textured finish of the paint? This is not something unique to DEC and I've seen it on many products even up to this day. If I knew what the pattern used on DEC cabinets was called then I could probably find out how to do it. Possibly "wrinkle finish"? DEC-STD-092 mentions textured paint but doesn't give any details. Matt
RE: How to reproduce the DEC cabinets' grey colour paint?
Assuming you have a portable piece of it you should be able to take it your hardware store and their paint dept can scan it for a colour match. Kevin Parker -Original Message- From: P Gebhardt via cctalk Sent: Wednesday, 13 July 2022 16:12 To: cctalk Cc: P Gebhardt Subject: How to reproduce the DEC cabinets' grey colour paint? Hello list, does anybody of you know colour codes or the mixture to obtain the grey paint that DEC used for their early H960 cabinet side panels as well as for their later cabinet from the 80s and 90s like the H9A10 or H9A15? Some of my cabinets have scratches and I would like to cosmetically fix this. I thought I remember some discussions about DEC paint some years ago but I couldn't find anything helpful in my archives except for discussions about colours for DEC's classic front panels. Any pointers are very much appreciated. Thanks, Pierre - http://www.digitalheritage.de
