[cctalk] Re: Minicomputer front panel.

[ben via cctalk]

On 2022-09-22 11:30 p.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:

On 9/22/22 21:49, Teo Zenios via cctalk wrote:

I assume some of that stuff was purchased for TV show or movie props.


I recall all of the IBM 1620 front panels in "The Forbin Project", along
with CDC 3000 series (green glass) cabinets.  In fact, I recently
pointed out to James at starringthecomputer the inexplicable presence of
three CDC 607 tape drives visible from the opeating room in the pilot of
"Emergency".  Only visible for a few seconds, but there they were.

I suspect that the innards of those drives had been stripped out and
simply made to spin the tapes.

--Chuck

Tape drives tended to show powerful modern computers.
Blinking lights tended to be for computers of the future.
World maps with lights where nuclear missiles could strike
seem to be movie props only.
Ben.

[cctalk] Re: Minicomputer front panel.

[ben via cctalk]

On 2022-09-22 10:49 p.m., Teo Zenios via cctalk wrote:

I assume some of that stuff was purchased for TV show or movie props.

Anyway you can't really complain unless you know the origins of those 
front panels. Some of that equipment was scrapped a long time ago and 
somebody found the front panel or other parts cool and kept them. You 
can't really expect people to keep everything from being made into razor 
blades 20+ years ago and kept in heated and cooled low humidity storage 
so somebody down the road could snag it for lunch money.


If somebody pays a decent amount of cash to mount something on a wall it 
will sooner or later end up being resold to a collector so its not 
really lost in the long view of things.


If there is enough demand or it is worth the economics to recreate 
somebody will 3D print parts and have boards made.




Well I could use a REAL front panel, and case, I don't have the skills to
fiddle with the little details to have it look professional and play 
with pcb board design like ki-cad.
What I do want as ASR-33 style keyboard but upper/lower case, round keys 
and PS/2 out and real bell for output sound.

This is hobby, I can't spend 100's of dollars per hour for a project,
or kick start money.
Ben.

[cctalk] Re: Minicomputer front panel.

[Chuck Guzis via cctalk]

On 9/22/22 21:49, Teo Zenios via cctalk wrote:
> I assume some of that stuff was purchased for TV show or movie props.

I recall all of the IBM 1620 front panels in "The Forbin Project", along
with CDC 3000 series (green glass) cabinets.  In fact, I recently
pointed out to James at starringthecomputer the inexplicable presence of
three CDC 607 tape drives visible from the opeating room in the pilot of
"Emergency".  Only visible for a few seconds, but there they were.

I suspect that the innards of those drives had been stripped out and
simply made to spin the tapes.

--Chuck

[cctalk] Re: Minicomputer front panel.

[Teo Zenios via cctalk]

I assume some of that stuff was purchased for TV show or movie props.

Anyway you can't really complain unless you know the origins of those front 
panels. Some of that equipment was scrapped a long time ago and somebody 
found the front panel or other parts cool and kept them. You can't really 
expect people to keep everything from being made into razor blades 20+ years 
ago and kept in heated and cooled low humidity storage so somebody down the 
road could snag it for lunch money.


If somebody pays a decent amount of cash to mount something on a wall it 
will sooner or later end up being resold to a collector so its not really 
lost in the long view of things.


If there is enough demand or it is worth the economics to recreate somebody 
will 3D print parts and have boards made.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Hunter via cctalk

Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2022 10:44 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Cc: Tom Hunter
Subject: [cctalk] Re: Minicomputer front panel.

I cannot understand the mindset of people who buy up components desperately
sought by others who want to restore machines just to nail them to their
man cave or living room wall.
These same types of people vacuum up core memory boards, keyboards, disk
platters, 9-track tapes, etc just for bragging rights and as a result
depriving those who restore and preserve computer systems from doing so.
For some time I have been looking for a PDP-8/e front panel PCB needed to
make a machine complete. Until now I had no luck. No doubt there are dozens
of these hanging off people's walls.
Like Peter I don't care if the PCB is functional, but unlike Peter I can
and will repair it.
Peter please consider the negative impact of your hobby on historically
valuable computer systems.
Tom




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[cctalk] Re: Minicomputer front panel.

[ben via cctalk]

On 2022-09-22 8:44 p.m., Tom Hunter via cctalk wrote:

I cannot understand the mindset of people who buy up components desperately
sought by others who want to restore machines just to nail them to their
man cave or living room wall.
These same types of people vacuum up core memory boards, keyboards, disk
platters, 9-track tapes, etc just for bragging rights and as a result
depriving those who restore and preserve computer systems from doing so.
For some time I have been looking for a PDP-8/e front panel PCB needed to
make a machine complete. Until now I had no luck. No doubt there are dozens
of these hanging off people's walls.
Like Peter I don't care if the PCB is functional, but unlike Peter I can
and will repair it.
Peter please consider the negative impact of your hobby on historically
valuable computer systems.
Tom


Well for the longest time old computers were free, or found in the 
dumpster. I don't see his hobby impacting ours, as buying vintage

computers is fair, you have the $$$ or you don't.
Today the  RARE APPLE XYZ sold for $1,000,000 clams. So why has nobody
ever kept the one of the first 1000 sold, in 197x as collectible?
 My gripe is the places that have all sorts of local regulations, that 
will never let you use a OLD EXPENSIVE COMPUTER for stupid things like 
the AC makes too much noise, or this Item was sold  under a sealed bid

this year, to Scrap-are-us and we could not  bother telling you about
it because you are not the Board, or the we got the money to upgrade 
Friday  and you have to have all the items removed that room before Monday.

[cctalk] Re: Minicomputer front panel.

[Mike Stein via cctalk]

LOL

I've got a B2700 front panel & console; I doubt that there are many 2700s
out there complete except for the front panel but if you do have one send
me a note ;-)

m

On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 11:31 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 22, 2022, 11:17 PM jim stephens via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On 9/22/22 10:05, Peter Van Peborgh via cctalk wrote:
> > > I know this is sacrilege but I am looking for the front panel of a
> *Data
> > > General Nova *and/or *a DEC PDP 8/11/12/15*.
> > > Why? I collect artefacts from the days of the minicomputer and earlier
> > and
> > > I want them for my collection/display. They should be not too damaged
> and
> > > of course do not need to be functional. I would be willing to pay
> > > postage/freight.
> > > Any offers? Any offers?
> > > Peter
> > >
> > > PS Please don't shout at me!
> > I exhibited a front panel collection display at VCF West about 4 years
> > ago.  It exists not because of a collection, but as spare parts.  Also
> > brought one attached to one of my machines.
> >
> > there were two from a friend's collection of systems as well.  Sorry not
> > to help out, but suggest you buy the machine, not just a front panel.
> > That way when they are no longer something to have to display, they can
> > be passed on as a part of functional machines later.
> >
> > I did grab a couple of parts panels, and also did find a panel bezel on
> > Ebay, but they weren't cheap, and by what usually happens, the machines
> > showed up from somewhere else later after I acquired them.
> >
> > thanks
> > Jim
> >
>
> The worst is taking the front panel or keyboard from a complete system or
> terminal and discarding it because you solely collect these things, but at
> this point  there are a few system-less front panels and keyboards and it's
> a "thing" enough that it's not totally unreasonable to find them,
> especially if you have the money.  The damage has been done, nothing you
> can do about it now, at least something of the old hardware exists.  And, I
> am sure there are those who rescued the front panel from a system that was
> going to be destroyed.
>
>  I once was given a Burroughs 1700 front panel...anyone have a panel-less
> 1700 out there?
>
> Interesting philosophical discussion
>
> Bill
>

[cctalk] Re: Minicomputer front panel.

[Fred Cisin via cctalk]

Cut a hole in the wall.
Mount the front panel on the wall, with the machine, still connected to 
it, on the other side of the wall.


(like an ancient New Yorker cartoon, of an elephant head on the wall, with 
the rest of the elephant standing on the other side of the wall.)



I had an ex, decades ago, who collected automobile hood ornaments.
She pondered a lot about the effect on automobile restoration.
But, a couple of times, she provided hood ornaments to help people 
finish restorations.


--
Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com

[cctalk] Re: Minicomputer front panel.

[Bill Degnan via cctalk]

On Thu, Sep 22, 2022, 11:17 PM jim stephens via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

>
>
> On 9/22/22 10:05, Peter Van Peborgh via cctalk wrote:
> > I know this is sacrilege but I am looking for the front panel of a *Data
> > General Nova *and/or *a DEC PDP 8/11/12/15*.
> > Why? I collect artefacts from the days of the minicomputer and earlier
> and
> > I want them for my collection/display. They should be not too damaged and
> > of course do not need to be functional. I would be willing to pay
> > postage/freight.
> > Any offers? Any offers?
> > Peter
> >
> > PS Please don't shout at me!
> I exhibited a front panel collection display at VCF West about 4 years
> ago.  It exists not because of a collection, but as spare parts.  Also
> brought one attached to one of my machines.
>
> there were two from a friend's collection of systems as well.  Sorry not
> to help out, but suggest you buy the machine, not just a front panel.
> That way when they are no longer something to have to display, they can
> be passed on as a part of functional machines later.
>
> I did grab a couple of parts panels, and also did find a panel bezel on
> Ebay, but they weren't cheap, and by what usually happens, the machines
> showed up from somewhere else later after I acquired them.
>
> thanks
> Jim
>

The worst is taking the front panel or keyboard from a complete system or
terminal and discarding it because you solely collect these things, but at
this point  there are a few system-less front panels and keyboards and it's
a "thing" enough that it's not totally unreasonable to find them,
especially if you have the money.  The damage has been done, nothing you
can do about it now, at least something of the old hardware exists.  And, I
am sure there are those who rescued the front panel from a system that was
going to be destroyed.

 I once was given a Burroughs 1700 front panel...anyone have a panel-less
1700 out there?

Interesting philosophical discussion

Bill

[cctalk] Re: Minicomputer front panel.

[jim stephens via cctalk]

On 9/22/22 10:05, Peter Van Peborgh via cctalk wrote:

I know this is sacrilege but I am looking for the front panel of a *Data
General Nova *and/or *a DEC PDP 8/11/12/15*.
Why? I collect artefacts from the days of the minicomputer and earlier and
I want them for my collection/display. They should be not too damaged and
of course do not need to be functional. I would be willing to pay
postage/freight.
Any offers? Any offers?
Peter

PS Please don't shout at me!
I exhibited a front panel collection display at VCF West about 4 years 
ago.  It exists not because of a collection, but as spare parts.  Also 
brought one attached to one of my machines.


there were two from a friend's collection of systems as well.  Sorry not 
to help out, but suggest you buy the machine, not just a front panel.  
That way when they are no longer something to have to display, they can 
be passed on as a part of functional machines later.


I did grab a couple of parts panels, and also did find a panel bezel on 
Ebay, but they weren't cheap, and by what usually happens, the machines 
showed up from somewhere else later after I acquired them.


thanks
Jim

[cctalk] Re: Minicomputer front panel.

[Tom Hunter via cctalk]

I cannot understand the mindset of people who buy up components desperately
sought by others who want to restore machines just to nail them to their
man cave or living room wall.
These same types of people vacuum up core memory boards, keyboards, disk
platters, 9-track tapes, etc just for bragging rights and as a result
depriving those who restore and preserve computer systems from doing so.
For some time I have been looking for a PDP-8/e front panel PCB needed to
make a machine complete. Until now I had no luck. No doubt there are dozens
of these hanging off people's walls.
Like Peter I don't care if the PCB is functional, but unlike Peter I can
and will repair it.
Peter please consider the negative impact of your hobby on historically
valuable computer systems.
Tom


On Fri, Sep 23, 2022 at 1:33 AM Peter Van Peborgh via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> I know this is sacrilege but I am looking for the front panel of a *Data
> General Nova *and/or *a DEC PDP 8/11/12/15*.
> Why? I collect artefacts from the days of the minicomputer and earlier and
> I want them for my collection/display. They should be not too damaged and
> of course do not need to be functional. I would be willing to pay
> postage/freight.
> Any offers? Any offers?
> Peter
>
> PS Please don't shout at me!
>

[cctalk] Re: Minicomputer front panel.

[Chris Zach via cctalk]

True. I wound up giving away an HP1000 with front panel, because no one 
wanted it. So they do exist out there...


C


On 9/22/2022 3:42 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:

Look for less well-known mini computers.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2022, 1:47 PM Joshua Rice via cctalk 
wrote:


It is sacrelege!

In all honesty, real front panels are expensive. An 11/40 front panel sold
recently on eBay for $2000! (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/314122754771 <
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/314122754771>)

They’re also hard to come by, and most that have them are going to be very
reluctant to part with them.

I suggest, if you want a display piece, the very good replicas done by
Oscar Vermeulen. He offers both a PDP-11 and PDP-8 replica kit, powered by
a Rasberry Pi and the SimH emulator. He is also working on a PDP-10 replica
as well.

These are reasonably priced, and very good quality, working, scaled
replicas of their respective systems. (
https://obsolescence.wixsite.com/obsolescence/pidp-11 <
https://obsolescence.wixsite.com/obsolescence/pidp-11>)

It’s worth noting that other replica front panel systems are available as
well, including, but not limited to the Altairduino 8080


On Sep 22, 2022, at 6:05 PM, Peter Van Peborgh via cctalk <

cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:


I know this is sacrilege but I am looking for the front panel of a *Data
General Nova *and/or *a DEC PDP 8/11/12/15*.
Why? I collect artefacts from the days of the minicomputer and earlier

and

I want them for my collection/display. They should be not too damaged and
of course do not need to be functional. I would be willing to pay
postage/freight.
Any offers? Any offers?
Peter

PS Please don't shout at me!

[cctalk] Re: 8" disk question!

[Bill Gunshannon via cctalk]

On 9/22/22 16:31, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:

On Wed, 21 Sep 2022, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote:
They didn't deal with it at all. It didn't work. No normal 8-inch 
floppy disks have both index holes in the jacket. If you convert a 
disk from SS to DS, or vice versa, by punching the other index hole 
in the jacket, you have to cover the original, unless you're going 
to use it in a drive that has only one index sensor (typically an SS 
drive).


On 9/22/22 12:04, geneb via cctalk wrote:

I've got at least three boxes of NOS Dysan disks with both of those
index holes present, so they certainly were made commercially.


On Thu, 22 Sep 2022, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:

Yup.  I've got similar NOS ones also.


Since those are not "normal", or at least uncommon, please send one such 
disk to Eric for his collection of odd stuff.


It would have made sense for a drive with both sensors to have jumpers, 
that could, if needed often, be wired to a switch.


When I repunched 8" disks, I put a write-enable tab over the old hole.



Never having seen anything like this myself, I would be interested in
how the box is labeled!!

bill

[cctalk] Re: 8" disk question!

[Mike Stein via cctalk]

That's how Cromemco shipped their distribution disks, with both holes and a
sticker to cover the unused hole with arrows on it to show which way was
which.

m


On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 4:32 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk 
wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Sep 2022, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote:
> >>> They didn't deal with it at all. It didn't work. No normal 8-inch
> >>> floppy disks have both index holes in the jacket. If you convert a
> >>> disk from SS to DS, or vice versa, by punching the other index hole in
> >>> the jacket, you have to cover the original, unless you're going to use
> >>> it in a drive that has only one index sensor (typically an SS drive).
>
> On 9/22/22 12:04, geneb via cctalk wrote:
> >> I've got at least three boxes of NOS Dysan disks with both of those
> >> index holes present, so they certainly were made commercially.
>
> On Thu, 22 Sep 2022, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
> > Yup.  I've got similar NOS ones also.
>
> Since those are not "normal", or at least uncommon, please send one such
> disk to Eric for his collection of odd stuff.
>
> It would have made sense for a drive with both sensors to have jumpers,
> that could, if needed often, be wired to a switch.
>
> When I repunched 8" disks, I put a write-enable tab over the old hole.
>
> --
> Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
>

[cctalk] Re: 8" disk question!

[Fred Cisin via cctalk]

On Wed, 21 Sep 2022, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote:
They didn't deal with it at all. It didn't work. No normal 8-inch 
floppy disks have both index holes in the jacket. If you convert a 
disk from SS to DS, or vice versa, by punching the other index hole in 
the jacket, you have to cover the original, unless you're going to use 
it in a drive that has only one index sensor (typically an SS drive).


On 9/22/22 12:04, geneb via cctalk wrote:

I've got at least three boxes of NOS Dysan disks with both of those
index holes present, so they certainly were made commercially.


On Thu, 22 Sep 2022, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:

Yup.  I've got similar NOS ones also.


Since those are not "normal", or at least uncommon, please send one such 
disk to Eric for his collection of odd stuff.


It would have made sense for a drive with both sensors to have jumpers, 
that could, if needed often, be wired to a switch.


When I repunched 8" disks, I put a write-enable tab over the old hole.

--
Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com

[cctalk] Re: Minicomputer front panel.

[Bill Degnan via cctalk]

Look for less well-known mini computers.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2022, 1:47 PM Joshua Rice via cctalk 
wrote:

> It is sacrelege!
>
> In all honesty, real front panels are expensive. An 11/40 front panel sold
> recently on eBay for $2000! (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/314122754771 <
> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/314122754771>)
>
> They’re also hard to come by, and most that have them are going to be very
> reluctant to part with them.
>
> I suggest, if you want a display piece, the very good replicas done by
> Oscar Vermeulen. He offers both a PDP-11 and PDP-8 replica kit, powered by
> a Rasberry Pi and the SimH emulator. He is also working on a PDP-10 replica
> as well.
>
> These are reasonably priced, and very good quality, working, scaled
> replicas of their respective systems. (
> https://obsolescence.wixsite.com/obsolescence/pidp-11 <
> https://obsolescence.wixsite.com/obsolescence/pidp-11>)
>
> It’s worth noting that other replica front panel systems are available as
> well, including, but not limited to the Altairduino 8080
>
> > On Sep 22, 2022, at 6:05 PM, Peter Van Peborgh via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >
> > I know this is sacrilege but I am looking for the front panel of a *Data
> > General Nova *and/or *a DEC PDP 8/11/12/15*.
> > Why? I collect artefacts from the days of the minicomputer and earlier
> and
> > I want them for my collection/display. They should be not too damaged and
> > of course do not need to be functional. I would be willing to pay
> > postage/freight.
> > Any offers? Any offers?
> > Peter
> >
> > PS Please don't shout at me!
>
>

[cctalk] Re: 8" disk question!

[Robin Downs via cctalk]

Looking at the circuit of the Qume drive, it is certainly not designed to work 
with disks with both holes, I can only imagine that drives only expected disks 
to be one or the other when it was designed, but it could easily be modified 
with a three position On-Off-On switch to disable either index sensor, or to 
have both working as usual...

Robin

-Original Message-
From: Chuck Guzis via cctalk  
Sent: 22 September 2022 20:23
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Cc: Chuck Guzis 
Subject: [cctalk] Re: 8" disk question!

On 9/22/22 12:04, geneb via cctalk wrote:
 only one index sensor (typically an SS drive).
> 
> I've got at least three boxes of NOS Dysan disks with both of those 
> index holes present, so they certainly were made commercially.

Yup.  I've got similar NOS ones also.

--Chuck

[cctalk] Re: 8" disk question!

[Chuck Guzis via cctalk]

On 9/22/22 12:04, geneb via cctalk wrote:
 only one index sensor (typically an SS drive).
> 
> I've got at least three boxes of NOS Dysan disks with both of those
> index holes present, so they certainly were made commercially.

Yup.  I've got similar NOS ones also.

--Chuck

[cctalk] Re: 7485 chip history??? (Solid State Music SB-1)

[Chuck Guzis via cctalk]

On 9/22/22 09:55, John Robertson via cctalk wrote:
> On 2022/09/19 9:51 p.m., ben via cctalk wrote:
>> On 2022-09-19 10:18 p.m., Tom Hunter via cctalk wrote:
>>> There are a few US based Ebay sellers of the 74L85.
>>>
>>> Tom
>> But most ebay sellers, from the USA seem to sell a item for $6.00 and
>> $75 shipping to Canada. China $2 and $3 shipping. With Covid all
>> shipping is several weeks.
>> Ben.
>>
> How many do you need? I have one or more of 74LS85, 74C85, 74HC85, and
> 7485...

The ICs that you've listed as having (74LS85, 74C85, 74HC85, and
7485) aren't what the OP needs.  The 74L85 is a different animal with a
different pinout from the chips you've listed.

--Chuck

[cctalk] Re: 8" disk question!

[geneb via cctalk]

On Wed, 21 Sep 2022, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote:


On Fri, Sep 2, 2022, 07:51 geneb via cctalk  wrote:


The question I have is how did a contemporary system deal with the
combination of a disk with both index windows and a drive with both index
sensors?



They didn't deal with it at all. It didn't work. No normal 8-inch floppy
disks have both index holes in the jacket. If you convert a disk from SS to
DS, or vice versa, by punching the other index hole in the jacket, you have
to cover the original, unless you're going to use it in a drive that has
only one index sensor (typically an SS drive).


I've got at least three boxes of NOS Dysan disks with both of those index 
holes present, so they certainly were made commercially.


g.

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[cctalk] Re: Minicomputer front panel.

[Joshua Rice via cctalk]

It is sacrelege! 

In all honesty, real front panels are expensive. An 11/40 front panel sold 
recently on eBay for $2000! (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/314122754771 
) 

They’re also hard to come by, and most that have them are going to be very 
reluctant to part with them.

I suggest, if you want a display piece, the very good replicas done by Oscar 
Vermeulen. He offers both a PDP-11 and PDP-8 replica kit, powered by a Rasberry 
Pi and the SimH emulator. He is also working on a PDP-10 replica as well.

These are reasonably priced, and very good quality, working, scaled replicas of 
their respective systems. 
(https://obsolescence.wixsite.com/obsolescence/pidp-11 
)

It’s worth noting that other replica front panel systems are available as well, 
including, but not limited to the Altairduino 8080

> On Sep 22, 2022, at 6:05 PM, Peter Van Peborgh via cctalk 
>  wrote:
> 
> I know this is sacrilege but I am looking for the front panel of a *Data
> General Nova *and/or *a DEC PDP 8/11/12/15*.
> Why? I collect artefacts from the days of the minicomputer and earlier and
> I want them for my collection/display. They should be not too damaged and
> of course do not need to be functional. I would be willing to pay
> postage/freight.
> Any offers? Any offers?
> Peter
> 
> PS Please don't shout at me!

[cctalk] Minicomputer front panel.

[Peter Van Peborgh via cctalk]

I know this is sacrilege but I am looking for the front panel of a *Data
General Nova *and/or *a DEC PDP 8/11/12/15*.
Why? I collect artefacts from the days of the minicomputer and earlier and
I want them for my collection/display. They should be not too damaged and
of course do not need to be functional. I would be willing to pay
postage/freight.
Any offers? Any offers?
Peter

PS Please don't shout at me!

[cctalk] Re: 7485 chip history??? (Solid State Music SB-1)

[John Robertson via cctalk]

On 2022/09/19 9:51 p.m., ben via cctalk wrote:

On 2022-09-19 10:18 p.m., Tom Hunter via cctalk wrote:

There are a few US based Ebay sellers of the 74L85.

Tom

But most ebay sellers, from the USA seem to sell a item for $6.00 and
$75 shipping to Canada. China $2 and $3 shipping. With Covid all 
shipping is several weeks.

Ben.

How many do you need? I have one or more of 74LS85, 74C85, 74HC85, and 
7485...


Email me directly with which version you prefer. These are all NOS 
parts, not pulls.


John :-#)#

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[cctalk] Re: 11/45 and 11/34 Taken!

[Glen Slick via cctalk]

On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 8:32 AM Kevin McQuiggin via cctalk
 wrote:
>
> Hi All:
>
> I’m pleased to report that my 11/45 and 11/34 which were in need of a new 
> home have been taken by another collector here in BC.  They will be off to a 
> very good home!
>

Good news. I really didn't need to spend a day driving up to Vancouver
from Seattle to collect these, and then try to make room to get them
set up. A few years ago when I still had some room I would have been
all over trying to collect these.

[cctalk] Re: 11/45 and 11/34 Taken!

[Bill Degnan via cctalk]

I bet! Finding a home would take all of 5 minutes on this list. "-)

On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 11:32 AM Kevin McQuiggin via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Hi All:
>
> I’m pleased to report that my 11/45 and 11/34 which were in need of a new
> home have been taken by another collector here in BC.  They will be off to
> a very good home!
>
> Thanks for reading my post.
>
> Kevin
>
>

[cctalk] Re: 11/45 and 11/34 Taken!

[Anders Nelson via cctalk]

No if only I had skipped my office meeting this morning!
--
Anders


On Thu, Sep 22, 2022 at 11:32 AM Kevin McQuiggin via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Hi All:
>
> I’m pleased to report that my 11/45 and 11/34 which were in need of a new
> home have been taken by another collector here in BC.  They will be off to
> a very good home!
>
> Thanks for reading my post.
>
> Kevin
>
>

[cctalk] 11/45 and 11/34 Taken!

[Kevin McQuiggin via cctalk]

Hi All:

I’m pleased to report that my 11/45 and 11/34 which were in need of a new home 
have been taken by another collector here in BC.  They will be off to a very 
good home!

Thanks for reading my post.

Kevin

[cctalk] pdp-11/45 and pdp-11/34 Available - Free! (Vancouver, BC)

[Kevin McQuiggin (SFU) via cctalk]

Hi All:

I’ve been a collector of old DEC systems for about 30 years.  I haven’t been 
active on the list for the last decade or so due to work, but am “surfacing” 
now as my wife and I are moving and I need to find a good home for two of my 
systems and their peripherals.

I can follow up with photos et cetera if necessary, but the subject line really 
says it all: a functional 11/45 in a 6’ standard DEC rack, and an 11/34 in a 
shorter DEC rack.  

Both systems are functional.  The 11/45 has an RK05.  The 11/34 has a TS03.  

I also have a TU80 9-track tape drive (short rack), and dual RL02 drives in 
another short rack that go with the systems.  These would come with a couple 
dozen tapes, and about 10 RL02 packs.  I have a few RK05 packs as well.

I would like these systems to go to someone who understands them and will use 
them.  As members on this list will know, they exemplify computing in the 1970s 
through the 1980s, and it would be nice to keep them running for educational 
and historical purposes.

The systems and peripherals are free, but they must be picked up.  I cannot 
ship, nor do I have time to separate components.  

If I cannot find a home for these systems then they will, unfortunately, be 
headed to the metal recycler.  I have tried museum donation but bureaucracy 
gets in the way and decisions take far too long.  Hence I am offering the 
systems here on the list.

The deadline for pickup is October 15th.  This is a hard deadline as we must 
vacate our house.  I would take the machines with me if I could!

Kevin




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