[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?
On 12/21/2022 1:22 AM, Chris via cctalk wrote: Ok for cbm and atari yes I'm familiar with most of those. I meant in general. And specifically where would you go for server related discussions for pII through socket 771? I admit Pentium and newer forums are a bit harder to find, but some stuff is at: https://forums.tomshardware.com/ https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?forums/pentium-2nd-and-3rd-generation-class-machines.1230007/ https://forums.anandtech.com/categories/hardware-and-technology.27/ The first two are probably closer to what you're looking for, though I don't see server-specific groups. Jim
[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?
Ok for cbm and atari yes I'm familiar with most of those. I meant in general. And specifically where would you go for server related discussions for pII through socket 771? Every classic/vintage forum seems to adhere to a classic in it's own right (but perhaps totally valid) definition of obsolete hardware and software. Remember before this stuff was classic it was overwhelmingly considered to be obsolete junk. Win98/2000/XP has been moderately collectible for a while. Don't care what category it falls into. Socket 775 stuff is more or less just obsolete junk. There's a grouping between and contemporary somewhat with those 2 and that's the early-ish server class, which no one may _ever_ care much about, because it's comparitively rare (few can relate) and lacks agp, so less then ideal for gaming. So where do I go for those discussions? As an aside 2000+\- beige boxes have become pretty collectible, and the larger server cases like an Inwin A500 has a chassis that slides out. Real nifty. It'll take a full size ssi-eeb mobo, and standard atx. If someone gets their hands on 1 they'll likely toss the serverboard and replace it with something more appropriate for gaming. On Wednesday, December 21, 2022, 01:49:24 AM EST, Jim Brain via cctalk wrote: On 12/21/2022 12:28 AM, Chris via cctalk wrote: > I keep hearing allusions to many forums. I think there are very few. I don't > do FB. There are many web forums. Just for CBM, there's lemon 64, vcforum, atariage (yes, CBM on atariage), denial, Everything 64, and 6502.org handles a few things. If you can grok German, there's forum64.de Mailing lists include cbm-hackers. Apple, TI, Atari all have similar. AtariAge handles all of them nominally. Retro Hackers also handles multiple. Jim
[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?
On 12/21/2022 12:28 AM, Chris via cctalk wrote: I keep hearing allusions to many forums. I think there are very few. I don't do FB. There are many web forums. Just for CBM, there's lemon 64, vcforum, atariage (yes, CBM on atariage), denial, Everything 64, and 6502.org handles a few things. If you can grok German, there's forum64.de Mailing lists include cbm-hackers. Apple, TI, Atari all have similar. AtariAge handles all of them nominally. Retro Hackers also handles multiple. Jim
[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?
I keep hearing allusions to many forums. I think there are very few. I don't do FB. Incidentally is selling allowed here? I really can't recall. On Wednesday, December 21, 2022, 01:19:35 AM EST, Jim Brain via cctalk wrote: On 12/21/2022 12:03 AM, Chris via cctalk wrote: > Apples and Coco's and C64's would be the common sublist > As much as I enjoy these machines, I ask that we do not create yet another list for them. There are many fine forums for all of these machines. The occasional PET or VIC question in here surely won't ruffle too many feathers, and those of us who know quite a bit about these machines can redirect the OP elsewhere if needed.
[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?
On 12/21/2022 12:03 AM, Chris via cctalk wrote: Apples and Coco's and C64's would be the common sublist As much as I enjoy these machines, I ask that we do not create yet another list for them. There are many fine forums for all of these machines. The occasional PET or VIC question in here surely won't ruffle too many feathers, and those of us who know quite a bit about these machines can redirect the OP elsewhere if needed.
[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?
When I was considerably younger I told my mother that I was going to a Hamfest today. She replied "Oh how nice". Needless to say the woman enjoyed ham. As to the "odious objection", I think it was sent to me directly. Never mind. And Odious Objector LOL LOL a joke, cut me some slack, will ya. On Wednesday, December 21, 2022, 01:08:48 AM EST, Tony Jones via cctalk wrote: On Tue, Dec 20, 2022, 10:03 PM Chris via cctalk wrote: > Why? b/c Old people are a bit like old computers? Starting to slowly break down? Usually when I see such crankiness there is a ham call sign present :-)
[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?
On Tue, Dec 20, 2022, 10:03 PM Chris via cctalk wrote: > Why? b/c Old people are a bit like old computers? Starting to slowly break down? Usually when I see such crankiness there is a ham call sign present :-)
[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?
Why? Create another list becauae a minority of subscribers consider their opinions paramount? Don't read what isn't of interest to you. Somewhat of a majority of topics don't interest me. Should I complain that some topics are about stuff that is too old and irrelevant (and annoying, in actuality, yes it's so) to some of us? My intent isn't to force my will on anyone. Nor even alter what is appropriate. My post posed a question. Some said go for it. I went for it. And 1 odious objection was raised. Somebody just keep an accurate tally. On Wednesday, December 21, 2022, 12:40:29 AM EST, ben via cctalk wrote: On 2022-12-20 4:36 p.m., Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: > On Dec 20, 2022, at 2:27 PM, Chris via cctalk wrote: >> >> Specifically as pertaining to old/vintage/classic/retro compuing discussion, >> what exactly is on topic? On top of my head as a for imstance I have some >> questions pertaining to Windows 2003 and socket 603/604. Something tells me >> that doesn't qualify, so it behooves me to ask. > > The original rule, back around ’96/97 was anything older than 10 years was > on-topic. I think the idea behind that is still valid, but these days a 10 > year old system isn’t that much different from a current one. I think at one > point someone suggested it should be shifted to 20+ years. > > Zane > I think a sublist , for 8 and 16 bit micros might be a good idea. Apples and Coco's and C64's would be the common sublist and Soviet PDP 11 might be on say the rare sublist. Ben.
[cctalk] Re: Win2K+3 on a Dell Poweredge 2600
On Tue, 20 Dec 2022, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: This beast was given to me by a neighbor. Dual socket 604. Windows 2003 in some RAID configuration. I understand (or used to understand) RAID levels somewhat. But iinm he tells me the OS is "split" over 6 scsi drives. Not getting this, but I don't need all the redundancy/striping. I want it all on 1 drive. What to use to image what comstitutes 1 volume I guess. Norton Ghost? I have an extra scsi drive, I can always restore the image to the 1 drive (yes?), before or without alterimg the currently embedded stack. On Wed, 21 Dec 2022, Mike Loewen via cctalk wrote: I don't see any relevance at all to this list. Q: How long will it be before it IS on-topic? A: As soon as someone creates a list for such things. Mike Loewen mloe...@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/
[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?
On 2022-12-20 4:36 p.m., Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: On Dec 20, 2022, at 2:27 PM, Chris via cctalk wrote: Specifically as pertaining to old/vintage/classic/retro compuing discussion, what exactly is on topic? On top of my head as a for imstance I have some questions pertaining to Windows 2003 and socket 603/604. Something tells me that doesn't qualify, so it behooves me to ask. The original rule, back around ’96/97 was anything older than 10 years was on-topic. I think the idea behind that is still valid, but these days a 10 year old system isn’t that much different from a current one. I think at one point someone suggested it should be shifted to 20+ years. Zane I think a sublist , for 8 and 16 bit micros might be a good idea. Apples and Coco's and C64's would be the common sublist and Soviet PDP 11 might be on say the rare sublist. Ben.
[cctalk] Re: Win2K+3 on a Dell Poweredge 2600
This beast was given to me by a neighbor. Dual socket 604. Windows 2003 in some RAID configuration. I understand (or used to understand) RAID levels somewhat. But iinm he tells me the OS is "split" over 6 scsi drives. Not getting this, but I don't need all the redundancy/striping. I want it all on 1 drive. What to use to image what comstitutes 1 volume I guess. Norton Ghost? I have an extra scsi drive, I can always restore the image to the 1 drive (yes?), before or without alterimg the currently embedded stack. On Wed, 21 Dec 2022, Mike Loewen via cctalk wrote: I don't see any relevance at all to this list. Q: How long will it be before it IS on-topic?
[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?
Well, that's one nay for this topic. :-) Jim
[cctalk] Re: Win2K+3 on a Dell Poweredge 2600
On Wed, 21 Dec 2022, Chris via cctalk wrote: This beast was given to me by a neighbor. Dual socket 604. Windows 2003 in some RAID configuration. I understand (or used to understand) RAID levels somewhat. But iinm he tells me the OS is "split" over 6 scsi drives. Not getting this, but I don't need all the redundancy/striping. I want it all on 1 drive. What to use to image what comstitutes 1 volume I guess. Norton Ghost? I have an extra scsi drive, I can always restore the image to the 1 drive (yes?), before or without alterimg the currently embedded stack. I don't see any relevance at all to this list. Mike Loewen mloe...@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/
[cctalk] Win2K+3 on a Dell Poweredge 2600
This beast was given to me by a neighbor. Dual socket 604. Windows 2003 in some RAID configuration. I understand (or used to understand) RAID levels somewhat. But iinm he tells me the OS is "split" over 6 scsi drives. Not getting this, but I don't need all the redundancy/striping. I want it all on 1 drive. What to use to image what comstitutes 1 volume I guess. Norton Ghost? I have an extra scsi drive, I can always restore the image to the 1 drive (yes?), before or without alterimg the currently embedded stack. This thing is heavy. I secured a copy of the Corel Linux Starter Kit and want to load it into the Poweredge. For chips and pringles. I have other pre uefi boxes around but this is lying dormant. And 6 drives for my purposes is stupid. And heavy.
[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?
So long as we don't talk about what is or isn't allowed, the list traffic is low enough not to need specific rules... Except maybe not talking about what is vintage. :p Warner Ps :p is retro emoji :). On Tue, Dec 20, 2022, 9:58 PM Chris via cctalk wrote: > Nah. The nays would habe to outnumber the yays. You can always find 3 > malcontents who hate everything. But that sucks as well because you get > involved with runoffs. And subsequently voter fraud, > hangimg/dimpled/pregnant chads, storming of the capitol server. Holey moley > let's end this topic now. > > Voting doesn't work anyway when you live imside a caliphate. We have yet > to hear from the Big Kahuna. > On Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 11:46:06 PM EST, Sellam Abraham via > cctalk wrote: > > This is really funny. Do you all realize how many times we've gone over > this over the past 25 years? > > As Bill poignantly explained, maybe instead of trying to establish a > cut-off date, we instead think outside of the box: > > If enough people object to a topic, it stops. Let's call it three > objections. If three different people reply to a post objecting to it then > whoosh, off it goes into the bit bucket, never to be spoken of again. > > Example: > > Someone A: Hey, is it OK if I talk about Windows 11? > Someone B: Objection. > Someone C: Objection. > Someone D: Objection. > Someone A: Ok, sorry [bashfully skulks away] > > Food for thought. > > Sellam > > > On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 8:33 PM Tony Jones via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > wrote: > > > Traffic on the list is so low I'm not seeing the issue.I'm also not > > seeing complaints about threads being off topic.Seems like solution > > seeking a problem. > > > > On Tue, Dec 20, 2022, 8:28 PM Chris via cctalk > > wrote: > > > > > On Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 11:11:27 PM EST, Fred Cisin via cctalk > < > > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I was not disagreeing with you. > > > > > > > > > Ok. Wonderful. I guess we've sufficiently established that from > > henceforth > > > anything dang-old is totally on topic. Any detractors? :) > > > > > > Transcoding as in vcr to mpegs? I wasn't suggesting XP was utterly > > > entirely useless. Video editing in a modern sense requires loads of > > > processing h.p. to be efficient. And no transcodimg is necessary. > > Certainly > > > not an expert. But I should think older hardware would be very very > slow. > > >
[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?
Nah. The nays would habe to outnumber the yays. You can always find 3 malcontents who hate everything. But that sucks as well because you get involved with runoffs. And subsequently voter fraud, hangimg/dimpled/pregnant chads, storming of the capitol server. Holey moley let's end this topic now. Voting doesn't work anyway when you live imside a caliphate. We have yet to hear from the Big Kahuna. On Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 11:46:06 PM EST, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: This is really funny. Do you all realize how many times we've gone over this over the past 25 years? As Bill poignantly explained, maybe instead of trying to establish a cut-off date, we instead think outside of the box: If enough people object to a topic, it stops. Let's call it three objections. If three different people reply to a post objecting to it then whoosh, off it goes into the bit bucket, never to be spoken of again. Example: Someone A: Hey, is it OK if I talk about Windows 11? Someone B: Objection. Someone C: Objection. Someone D: Objection. Someone A: Ok, sorry [bashfully skulks away] Food for thought. Sellam On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 8:33 PM Tony Jones via cctalk wrote: > Traffic on the list is so low I'm not seeing the issue. I'm also not > seeing complaints about threads being off topic. Seems like solution > seeking a problem. > > On Tue, Dec 20, 2022, 8:28 PM Chris via cctalk > wrote: > > > On Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 11:11:27 PM EST, Fred Cisin via cctalk < > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > > > I was not disagreeing with you. > > > > > > Ok. Wonderful. I guess we've sufficiently established that from > henceforth > > anything dang-old is totally on topic. Any detractors? :) > > > > Transcoding as in vcr to mpegs? I wasn't suggesting XP was utterly > > entirely useless. Video editing in a modern sense requires loads of > > processing h.p. to be efficient. And no transcodimg is necessary. > Certainly > > not an expert. But I should think older hardware would be very very slow. >
[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?
On Wed, 21 Dec 2022, Chris via cctalk wrote: Transcoding as in vcr to mpegs? I wasn't suggesting XP was utterly entirely useless. Video editing in a modern sense requires loads of processing h.p. to be efficient. And no transcodimg is necessary. Certainly not an expert. But I should think older hardware would be very very slow. Nothing fancy, and hardly ever doing any editing. Slow is OK Mostly just making MP4s from DVDs, for the added convenience of access, and eliminating risk of damaging the DVD. Multi-terabyte drives hold an amazing amount. And, yes, I do own and keep the DVDs. Doctor Who, Twilight Zone, Outer Limits, One Step Beyond, Blake's 7, Red Dwarf, britcoms, movies, mostly comedy, old SciFi, and classics currently a totaal of about 4TB of MP4s. My volume is such that I just batch process; I rip using ANYDVD, usually on an XP machine, and then use Handbrake on Win7 to make MP4s. I start up a queue, and walk away. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?
This is really funny. Do you all realize how many times we've gone over this over the past 25 years? As Bill poignantly explained, maybe instead of trying to establish a cut-off date, we instead think outside of the box: If enough people object to a topic, it stops. Let's call it three objections. If three different people reply to a post objecting to it then whoosh, off it goes into the bit bucket, never to be spoken of again. Example: Someone A: Hey, is it OK if I talk about Windows 11? Someone B: Objection. Someone C: Objection. Someone D: Objection. Someone A: Ok, sorry [bashfully skulks away] Food for thought. Sellam On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 8:33 PM Tony Jones via cctalk wrote: > Traffic on the list is so low I'm not seeing the issue.I'm also not > seeing complaints about threads being off topic.Seems like solution > seeking a problem. > > On Tue, Dec 20, 2022, 8:28 PM Chris via cctalk > wrote: > > > On Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 11:11:27 PM EST, Fred Cisin via cctalk < > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > > > I was not disagreeing with you. > > > > > > Ok. Wonderful. I guess we've sufficiently established that from > henceforth > > anything dang-old is totally on topic. Any detractors? :) > > > > Transcoding as in vcr to mpegs? I wasn't suggesting XP was utterly > > entirely useless. Video editing in a modern sense requires loads of > > processing h.p. to be efficient. And no transcodimg is necessary. > Certainly > > not an expert. But I should think older hardware would be very very slow. >
[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?
Agreed (FWIW ;-) Admittedly there are many alternate sources out there for information (and misinformation) about relatively 'modern' systems, but there's also a lot of informed, reliable and, dare I say, mature folks here with much to contribute; it'd be a shame not to take advantage of their experience, regardless of the age of the issue in question. m On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 11:33 PM Tony Jones via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Traffic on the list is so low I'm not seeing the issue.I'm also not > seeing complaints about threads being off topic.Seems like solution > seeking a problem. > > On Tue, Dec 20, 2022, 8:28 PM Chris via cctalk > wrote: > > > On Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 11:11:27 PM EST, Fred Cisin via cctalk < > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > > > I was not disagreeing with you. > > > > > > Ok. Wonderful. I guess we've sufficiently established that from > henceforth > > anything dang-old is totally on topic. Any detractors? :) > > > > Transcoding as in vcr to mpegs? I wasn't suggesting XP was utterly > > entirely useless. Video editing in a modern sense requires loads of > > processing h.p. to be efficient. And no transcodimg is necessary. > Certainly > > not an expert. But I should think older hardware would be very very slow. >
[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?
Traffic on the list is so low I'm not seeing the issue.I'm also not seeing complaints about threads being off topic.Seems like solution seeking a problem. On Tue, Dec 20, 2022, 8:28 PM Chris via cctalk wrote: > On Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 11:11:27 PM EST, Fred Cisin via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > I was not disagreeing with you. > > > Ok. Wonderful. I guess we've sufficiently established that from henceforth > anything dang-old is totally on topic. Any detractors? :) > > Transcoding as in vcr to mpegs? I wasn't suggesting XP was utterly > entirely useless. Video editing in a modern sense requires loads of > processing h.p. to be efficient. And no transcodimg is necessary. Certainly > not an expert. But I should think older hardware would be very very slow.
[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?
On Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 11:11:27 PM EST, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: I was not disagreeing with you. Ok. Wonderful. I guess we've sufficiently established that from henceforth anything dang-old is totally on topic. Any detractors? :) Transcoding as in vcr to mpegs? I wasn't suggesting XP was utterly entirely useless. Video editing in a modern sense requires loads of processing h.p. to be efficient. And no transcodimg is necessary. Certainly not an expert. But I should think older hardware would be very very slow.
[cctalk] Re: BSD 2.11 on the DEC PRO
Hm. I've got a DECNA in my 380 and a Gotek floppy emulator so 21 floppies is not a terror (RX50's are not so reliable these days anyway). Only big problem is that I would have to use either the RD50 or RD51 drives, would much prefer to use RD53's instead for some space... Still, interesting. If they have the source for the RD drive controller and the RX50 controller it might port to 2.11. On 12/20/2022 10:46 PM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote: My PRO 380 runs Venix/PRO. Which is cool, but someone sent me this: https://www.frijid.net/blog/index.php/2015/06/07/182/ Allegedly this gets BSD 2.9 on, at least, the PRO 350. I'm particularly interested because it supports networking. Anyone tried this on their PRO? Or better still, an actual 380?
[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?
The point is Vadem made cpu's and I was unaware of that. The distinction between the v30/v40/80188/80186 is blurry. Non intel or nec versions perhaps habe additional idiosyncrasies. On Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 11:04:36 PM EST, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote: > > Something like the HP LX series or even the portable ZEOS DOS palmtops would probably be on-topic. The OmniGo 100LX behind me has a Vadem equivalent of an 80186. > Vadem made 186 clones? They made dense glue for V40 based Ampro sbc's. Never >knew they made cpus. Not saying they didn't, but if so that's a shocker to me. It has a VG230 in it which apparently is a NEC V30HL variant. My mistake, it's an 8086 clone, not an 80186. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- NEWS ITEM: Energizer Bunny arrested, charged with battery --
[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?
I don't think I've ever even heard of Innovasic. I guess given the degree to which it was utilzed, the 80188/80186 and their variants would naturally have many manufacturers. And I say this with all the warmth and cuddliness I can muster, the suggestion that the 80188 is off topic is just plain nuts. Sbc's and particularly 80188/80186 based sbc's are a huge and fascinating topic. I have to conclude there are spies embedded on this list who have been working to take it down, by suggesting early pc's should be considered off topic. On Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 11:02:33 PM EST, Doug Jackson via cctalk wrote: Off topic - but interesting. I had a very frustrating experience with an 80188 made by Innovasic. The SBC188 BIOS would halt if the chip was used because its power on behaviour was different to the Intel 80188. http://www.vk1zdj.net/?p=551 That's *many* hours of my life I won't get back. Kindest regards, Doug Jackson em: d...@doughq.com ph: 0414 986878 Check out my awesome clocks at www.dougswordclocks.com Follow my amateur radio adventures at vk1zdj.net On Wed, 21 Dec 2022 at 14:53, Chris via cctalk wrote: > Vadem made 186 clones? They made dense glue for V40 based Ampro sbc's. > Never knew they made cpus. Not saying they didn't, but if so that's a > shocker to me. > > > On Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 10:22:18 PM EST, Cameron Kaiser via > cctalk wrote: > > > I agree that we should probably use the intent of a specific era. > > > > I believe that the world certainly dropped out of my personal definition > of > > 'Classic' when the 386 came in. > > > > I have an interest in things up to and including 80186, and they > certainly > > are not run of the mill. > > Something like the HP LX series or even the portable ZEOS DOS palmtops > would > probably be on-topic. The OmniGo 100LX behind me has a Vadem equivalent of > an > 80186. > > -- > personal: > http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- > Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * > ckai...@floodgap.com > -- Beware the Lollipop of Mediocrity: lick it once, and you suck forever! > - > >
[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?
I was not disagreeing with you. I thought that "dang obsolete" was an amusing wording; and applies to most of my interests. These days, doing web browsing, email, and transcoding video, I use a bunch of XP and Win7 machines, but my heart, and nostalgia, are with older stuff. in the process of having to downsize considerably, I gave away my N* Horizon, my TRS80s, and most of everything else. Soon, I will pack up my Poqets and OQOs. I am soon going to give the rest of my Leicas and large format cameras to an old friend. I doubt that any "definition" could really be adequate to pin down the topics to the fun stuff. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com On Wed, 21 Dec 2022, Chris via cctalk wrote: Windows 2003 and XP is about as obsolete now as the IBM PC was in 1995. Probably more so. XP is popular on Vogons but I'm sure considerably less then 5% of computers actually host it. There's also the issue of beating a dead horse. There will always and forever (and forever...) be some esoteric issue to discuss about some bizzare and mostly unknown 8 bit system that 3 people on the whole of planet earth own (now not to brag, but chances are there are a dozen or less Northstar Dimension owners (never mind users) out there. And I'm proud to be 1). Who am I going to discuss that with?? And a larger issue is what? An even larger issue is why? Well I got plans ... Lists of this sort are about tech and used by people who love it. Windows 11 is not germain to these conversations. But what about, and I'm just putting this out there, making pre UEFI shtuff -on-? I don't even know how I personally feel about such a delineation. But the suggestion is there. Nostalgic weirdos like older tech. Yes often dang old. Now a Thinkpad T60p doesn't exactly seem dang old. But it's pretty much dang obsolete (can't remember what sort of firmware it has but the processor, though 64 bit, is part of that hazy quasi transitional grouping that had more similarities to a 32 bit chip). On Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 10:05:06 PM EST, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Wed, 21 Dec 2022, Chris via cctalk wrote: Well there doesn't seem to be a great deal of activity these days, I has thought the suggestion about relaxing the rules might need discussing. I know there are people still using Windows 2003 puters, or a near equivalent based on XP? But that's entirely irrelevant, as I'm quite sure you could find someone out there still utilizing an 8088/286/386. Of course that's the discretion of the sysop. As it stands there's at least 1 opinion for every ahole attached to the person who types on this board. Whateber. The way I see it dang obsolete shouldd be open for discussion. To summarize: "On-Topic" == "Dang obsolete"
[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?
> > Something like the HP LX series or even the portable ZEOS DOS palmtops would probably be on-topic. The OmniGo 100LX behind me has a Vadem equivalent of an 80186. > Vadem made 186 clones? They made dense glue for V40 based Ampro sbc's. Never > knew they made cpus. Not saying they didn't, but if so that's a shocker to me. It has a VG230 in it which apparently is a NEC V30HL variant. My mistake, it's an 8086 clone, not an 80186. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- NEWS ITEM: Energizer Bunny arrested, charged with battery --
[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?
Off topic - but interesting. I had a very frustrating experience with an 80188 made by Innovasic. The SBC188 BIOS would halt if the chip was used because its power on behaviour was different to the Intel 80188. http://www.vk1zdj.net/?p=551 That's *many* hours of my life I won't get back. Kindest regards, Doug Jackson em: d...@doughq.com ph: 0414 986878 Check out my awesome clocks at www.dougswordclocks.com Follow my amateur radio adventures at vk1zdj.net On Wed, 21 Dec 2022 at 14:53, Chris via cctalk wrote: > Vadem made 186 clones? They made dense glue for V40 based Ampro sbc's. > Never knew they made cpus. Not saying they didn't, but if so that's a > shocker to me. > > > On Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 10:22:18 PM EST, Cameron Kaiser via > cctalk wrote: > > > I agree that we should probably use the intent of a specific era. > > > > I believe that the world certainly dropped out of my personal definition > of > > 'Classic' when the 386 came in. > > > > I have an interest in things up to and including 80186, and they > certainly > > are not run of the mill. > > Something like the HP LX series or even the portable ZEOS DOS palmtops > would > probably be on-topic. The OmniGo 100LX behind me has a Vadem equivalent of > an > 80186. > > -- > personal: > http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- > Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * > ckai...@floodgap.com > -- Beware the Lollipop of Mediocrity: lick it once, and you suck forever! > - > >
[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?
Vadem made 186 clones? They made dense glue for V40 based Ampro sbc's. Never knew they made cpus. Not saying they didn't, but if so that's a shocker to me. On Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 10:22:18 PM EST, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote: > I agree that we should probably use the intent of a specific era. > > I believe that the world certainly dropped out of my personal definition of > 'Classic' when the 386 came in. > > I have an interest in things up to and including 80186, and they certainly > are not run of the mill. Something like the HP LX series or even the portable ZEOS DOS palmtops would probably be on-topic. The OmniGo 100LX behind me has a Vadem equivalent of an 80186. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Beware the Lollipop of Mediocrity: lick it once, and you suck forever! -
[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?
Windows 2003 and XP is about as obsolete now as the IBM PC was in 1995. Probably more so. XP is popular on Vogons but I'm sure considerably less then 5% of computers actually host it. There's also the issue of beating a dead horse. There will always and forever (and forever...) be some esoteric issue to discuss about some bizzare and mostly unknown 8 bit system that 3 people on the whole of planet earth own (now not to brag, but chances are there are a dozen or less Northstar Dimension owners (never mind users) out there. And I'm proud to be 1). Who am I going to discuss that with?? And a larger issue is what? An even larger issue is why? Well I got plans ... Lists of this sort are about tech and used by people who love it. Windows 11 is not germain to these conversations. But what about, and I'm just putting this out there, making pre UEFI shtuff -on-? I don't even know how I personally feel about such a delineation. But the suggestion is there. Nostalgic weirdos like older tech. Yes often dang old. Now a Thinkpad T60p doesn't exactly seem dang old. But it's pretty much dang obsolete (can't remember what sort of firmware it has but the processor, though 64 bit, is part of that hazy quasi transitional grouping that had more similarities to a 32 bit chip). On Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 10:05:06 PM EST, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Wed, 21 Dec 2022, Chris via cctalk wrote: > Well there doesn't seem to be a great deal of activity these days, I has > thought the suggestion about relaxing the rules might need discussing. > I know there are people still using Windows 2003 puters, or a near > equivalent based on XP? But that's entirely irrelevant, as I'm quite > sure you could find someone out there still utilizing an 8088/286/386. > Of course that's the discretion of the sysop. As it stands there's at > least 1 opinion for every ahole attached to the person who types on this > board. Whateber. The way I see it dang obsolete shouldd be open for > discussion. To summarize: "On-Topic" == "Dang obsolete"
[cctalk] BSD 2.11 on the DEC PRO
My PRO 380 runs Venix/PRO. Which is cool, but someone sent me this: https://www.frijid.net/blog/index.php/2015/06/07/182/ Allegedly this gets BSD 2.9 on, at least, the PRO 350. I'm particularly interested because it supports networking. Anyone tried this on their PRO? Or better still, an actual 380? -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Male Macintosh geeks are so predictable. All we think about is X. --
[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?
Has anyone here been to the Kennett Classic museum? There is what was originally called the "post vintage" room that has stuff like NeXT, Sun, SGI, PS/2's, Windows 3.1, 386/486 laptops, GridPad/IBM Thinkpad, Go Pad, DEC Alphas workstations, etc. Now it's referred to as the "32-bit GUI workstation collection". I learned real fast that when highschool kids come to the museum they don't even know what a Commodore 64 was, not to mention anything older. So each era has it's vintage-of-that-era things. It's not our place because we're mostly experts in the older vintages to really have as much of a say in what is vintage for the late 90's early 2000's. Would it really be PCs, or is this the era of smart phones, IP networking dial up ISP, etc. It's not time yet for the XP/Win server 2003, not yet. But save these things and your ipADs and google glasses, and your blackberries and palm handhelds. Their day is coming in a few years. We have to avoid thinking it's just the next PC as "vintage" - the day of the desktop is kind of done except for gaming machines, as far as sales go. b On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 10:05 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On Wed, 21 Dec 2022, Chris via cctalk wrote: > > Well there doesn't seem to be a great deal of activity these days, I has > > thought the suggestion about relaxing the rules might need discussing. > > I know there are people still using Windows 2003 puters, or a near > > equivalent based on XP? But that's entirely irrelevant, as I'm quite > > sure you could find someone out there still utilizing an 8088/286/386. > > Of course that's the discretion of the sysop. As it stands there's at > > least 1 opinion for every ahole attached to the person who types on this > > board. Whateber. The way I see it dang obsolete shouldd be open for > > discussion. > > To summarize: "On-Topic" == "Dang obsolete" > > >
[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?
> I agree that we should probably use the intent of a specific era. > > I believe that the world certainly dropped out of my personal definition of > 'Classic' when the 386 came in. > > I have an interest in things up to and including 80186, and they certainly > are not run of the mill. Something like the HP LX series or even the portable ZEOS DOS palmtops would probably be on-topic. The OmniGo 100LX behind me has a Vadem equivalent of an 80186. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Beware the Lollipop of Mediocrity: lick it once, and you suck forever! -
[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?
On Wed, 21 Dec 2022, Chris via cctalk wrote: Well there doesn't seem to be a great deal of activity these days, I has thought the suggestion about relaxing the rules might need discussing. I know there are people still using Windows 2003 puters, or a near equivalent based on XP? But that's entirely irrelevant, as I'm quite sure you could find someone out there still utilizing an 8088/286/386. Of course that's the discretion of the sysop. As it stands there's at least 1 opinion for every ahole attached to the person who types on this board. Whateber. The way I see it dang obsolete shouldd be open for discussion. To summarize: "On-Topic" == "Dang obsolete"
[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?
Well there doesn't seem to be a great deal of activity these days, I has thought the suggestion about relaxing the rules might need discussing. I know there are people still using Windows 2003 puters, or a near equivalent based on XP? But that's entirely irrelevant, as I'm quite sure you could find someone out there still utilizing an 8088/286/386. Of course that's the discretion of the sysop. As it stands there's at least 1 opinion for every ahole attached to the person who types on this board. Whateber. The way I see it dang obsolete shouldd be open for discussion.
[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?
I agree that we should probably use the intent of a specific era. I believe that the world certainly dropped out of my personal definition of 'Classic' when the 386 came in. I have an interest in things up to and including 80186, and they certainly are not run of the mill. Just my thoughts. Doug Jackson On Wed, 21 Dec 2022 at 13:13, Mike Loewen via cctalk wrote: > On Tue, 20 Dec 2022, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: > > > On Dec 20, 2022, at 2:27 PM, Chris via cctalk > wrote: > >> > >> Specifically as pertaining to old/vintage/classic/retro compuing > discussion, what exactly is on topic? On top of my head as a for imstance I > have some questions pertaining to Windows 2003 and socket 603/604. > Something tells me that doesn't qualify, so it behooves me to ask. > > > > The original rule, back around ?96/97 was anything older than 10 years > was on-topic. I think the idea behind that is still valid, but these days > a 10 year old system isn?t that much different from a current one. I think > at one point someone suggested it should be shifted to 20+ years. > > I'm going to play the old fogey card and suggest that we should use a > specific year as a cutoff, rather than a floating limit. Something like > 1986, > or possibly a little later. As has been mentioned, there are many other > outlets for discussions about Windoze machines and i386+ systems. > > > Mike Loewen mloe...@cpumagic.scol.pa.us > Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/ >
[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?
On Tue, Dec 20, 2022, 6:13 PM Mike Loewen via cctalk wrote: > > I'm going to play the old fogey card and suggest that we should use a > specific year as a cutoff, rather than a floating limit. Something like > 1986, > or possibly a little later. As has been mentioned, there are many other > outlets for discussions about Windoze machines and i386+ systems. > When was the Transputer discontinued? I know I have a ISA card from 1989. >
[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?
On Tue, 20 Dec 2022, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: On Dec 20, 2022, at 2:27 PM, Chris via cctalk wrote: Specifically as pertaining to old/vintage/classic/retro compuing discussion, what exactly is on topic? On top of my head as a for imstance I have some questions pertaining to Windows 2003 and socket 603/604. Something tells me that doesn't qualify, so it behooves me to ask. The original rule, back around ?96/97 was anything older than 10 years was on-topic. I think the idea behind that is still valid, but these days a 10 year old system isn?t that much different from a current one. I think at one point someone suggested it should be shifted to 20+ years. I'm going to play the old fogey card and suggest that we should use a specific year as a cutoff, rather than a floating limit. Something like 1986, or possibly a little later. As has been mentioned, there are many other outlets for discussions about Windoze machines and i386+ systems. Mike Loewen mloe...@cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/
[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?
I would suggest anything that introduced a new feature that was somewhat significant. So that fits the OQO because it was (at least one of) the first handheld PCs that could run Windows XP. But as someone else pointed out, there are a zillion PC forums where any question relating to any PC or Mac from the past 15-20 years can be answered. And then there's the simple web search for the same. Sellam On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 4:50 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > On Tue, 20 Dec 2022, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: > > Not true, I observed someone beating that dead horse within the past > year. > > > Howzbout: INTERESTING, and olde enough to not be like the current stuff, > > I'd like to think that OQO might qualify, but not anything Dell or > Gateway. >
[cctalk] Digests?
Why have I started receiving virtually unreadable digests all of a sudden? I have made no changes to my preferences. bill
[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?
On Tue, 20 Dec 2022, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: Not true, I observed someone beating that dead horse within the past year. Howzbout: INTERESTING, and olde enough to not be like the current stuff, I'd like to think that OQO might qualify, but not anything Dell or Gateway.
[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?
Not true, I observed someone beating that dead horse within the past year. Sellam On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 4:44 PM Van Snyder via cctalk wrote: > > On Dec 20, 2022, at 2:27 PM, Chris via cctalk > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Specifically as pertaining to old/vintage/classic/retro compuing > > > discussion, what exactly is on topic? On top of my head as a for > > > imstance I > > > have some questions pertaining to Windows 2003 and socket 603/604. > > > Something tells me that doesn't qualify, so it behooves me to ask. > > > > > > The original rule, back around ’96/97 was anything older than 10 > > > years was > > > on-topic. I think the idea behind that is still valid, but these > > > days a 10 > > > year old system isn’t that much different from a current one. I > > > think at > > > one point someone suggested it should be shifted to 20+ years. > > Maybe it should be "Before Moore's Law was over." Processors hit 3 GHz > about twenty years ago, and haven't gotten any faster. > > >
[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?
> On Dec 20, 2022, at 2:27 PM, Chris via cctalk > > wrote: > > > > > > Specifically as pertaining to old/vintage/classic/retro compuing > > discussion, what exactly is on topic? On top of my head as a for > > imstance I > > have some questions pertaining to Windows 2003 and socket 603/604. > > Something tells me that doesn't qualify, so it behooves me to ask. > > > > The original rule, back around ’96/97 was anything older than 10 > > years was > > on-topic. I think the idea behind that is still valid, but these > > days a 10 > > year old system isn’t that much different from a current one. I > > think at > > one point someone suggested it should be shifted to 20+ years. Maybe it should be "Before Moore's Law was over." Processors hit 3 GHz about twenty years ago, and haven't gotten any faster.
[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?
The original rule, back around ’96/97 was anything older than 10 years was on-topic. I think the idea behind that is still valid, but these days a 10 year old system isn’t that much different from a current one. I think at one point someone suggested it should be shifted to 20+ years. On Tue, 20 Dec 2022, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: I am going to ditto Zane because I basically could've written that same exact message like an infinite monkey on an infinite typewriter. Many have argued that any specific "rule" would merely result in arguments about the exact boundary. I thought that the "10 year rule", (if it was ever official or acknowledged) advanced every year, so that now it would be about 40 years. If so, then by now, even the Osborne 1 (WCCF 1981), the 5150 (August/11/1981), and the Kaypro (WCCF 1982) are all now On-Topic. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?
I am going to ditto Zane because I basically could've written that same exact message like an infinite monkey on an infinite typewriter. Sellam On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 3:41 PM Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: > On Dec 20, 2022, at 2:27 PM, Chris via cctalk > wrote: > > > > Specifically as pertaining to old/vintage/classic/retro compuing > discussion, what exactly is on topic? On top of my head as a for imstance I > have some questions pertaining to Windows 2003 and socket 603/604. > Something tells me that doesn't qualify, so it behooves me to ask. > > The original rule, back around ’96/97 was anything older than 10 years was > on-topic. I think the idea behind that is still valid, but these days a 10 > year old system isn’t that much different from a current one. I think at > one point someone suggested it should be shifted to 20+ years. > > Zane > > >
[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?
On Dec 20, 2022, at 2:27 PM, Chris via cctalk wrote: > > Specifically as pertaining to old/vintage/classic/retro compuing discussion, > what exactly is on topic? On top of my head as a for imstance I have some > questions pertaining to Windows 2003 and socket 603/604. Something tells me > that doesn't qualify, so it behooves me to ask. The original rule, back around ’96/97 was anything older than 10 years was on-topic. I think the idea behind that is still valid, but these days a 10 year old system isn’t that much different from a current one. I think at one point someone suggested it should be shifted to 20+ years. Zane
[cctalk] Re: unpleasant odor from VT100
I'm not familiar with the VT100 - I don't know where particular components are and which ones usually cause problems in that unit. My suggestion was aimed at CRT monitors in general. Hopefully someone who knows the VT100 better will reply with more specific suggestions. If you are getting multi-kilovolt arcing, I expect you would be hearing loud, sharp, cracking noises. I think what you need to look for is more of a very soft purple/blue corona discharge which is hard to spot and probably makes little or no noise. As I don't know the layout of the VT100, it is hard for me to suggest places to look for this other than in very general terms. It could be something like a pinhole in the EHT cable, EHT connector, flyback transformer etc allowing a corona discharge to something nearby that happens to be at a lower potential (which is everything where EHT is concerned). Maybe the plastic / rubber etc insulation of some of these components is breaking down and getting soft? Switch off and wait long enough for everthing to discharge before checking for this sort of stuff with bare fingers. If there is muck / grime / soot on the glass of the tube around the CRT final anode connector, this could be part of the problem. If you try cleaning this off, don't clean off the dark grey / black aquadag coating which is supposed to be there. There will be a gap in the aquadag around the final anode connector where there should just be clear glass. Best to clean with isopropyl alcohol or something similar that will evapourate completely afterwards. Whatever you use, make sure everthing EHT related is fully dry before switching on again. Similarly with muck around the connections to the flyback transformer. If the terminal has been stored in damp conditions, you could be getting internal discharge in the flyback transformer. If you suspect this is the case, someone more familiar with the VT100 may be able to advise how to get the flyback transformer dried out. I think it's unlikely on a small monitor like the VT100 but it might also be worth looking at the scan coils. If there are spark gaps across some of the connections to the tube base, either on the main PCB or on the tube base panel, if there is one, it may be worth peering at those looking for corona discharge. Again, I think this is unlikely on a small monitor though. Someone more familiar with the VT100 may be able to advise if it is safe to disconnect the tube heaters in order to get more darkness to look for corona discharge or if this would be likely do damage to anything. You could turn down the brightness so that there is less stray light from the screen. One more thing, give your eyes time to get accustomed to the darkness when checking for corona discharge. Be careful not to accidentally get too close to the EHT components in the dark though. The diagonal lines may be unrelated, again someone more familiar with the VT100 would have to comment. Regards, Peter Coghlan. > > > Peter, thank you for the reply! i had to wait a bit for it to get dark > enough, but i just checked and i could not see any visible arcing inside > the chassis when the terminal is powered on. there is a slight buzzing > noise coming from the problem area but i suspect that is normal. > > i did notice something new and potentially enlightening though, this time > when i turned the terminal on i could see several lines stretching > diagonally across the screen that were not there before. i also checked the > transformer(?) above the power distribution board while the unit was > powered on, it does not seem to be overheating. > > On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 1:09 PM Peter Coghlan via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> I had something similar with a VT220. I didn't get around to >> investigating it >> before the flyback transformer failed :-( >> >> I can only suggest to run it for a short time with the cover off and the >> lights >> out while looking for any glows / discharges around the flyback >> transformer, >> the EHT cable, the EHT connector on the tube and the tube base connector. >> >> Regards, >> Peter Coghlan. >> >> Ps: Anyone got a flyback transformer for a VT220? >> >> > >> > i have a VT100 that is working fine (powers on, navigates setup, >> > saves/restores settings, etc) but has an unpleasant burning/ozone odor >> > coming from the rear of it. i suspect something is running hot but i am >> not >> > sure what, i do not currently have an IR camera in my hands- working on >> > that. the original power supply has failed and is currently in storage, >> so >> > the terminal is being powered by an ATX power supply and adapter board >> for >> > the time being. this eliminates the usual R27 as being the culprit. >> > >> > as best i can tell, the smell is strongest just above the power >> > distribution board, around the neck of the CRT. appreciate any >> suggestions >> > you might have! >>
[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?
Chris, We used to have two lists , cctech for on-topic & cctalk which mirrored cctech and allowed off-topic, but the level off off-topic traffic was low, so if I understand things we now only have one and it allows both on and off-topic.. Dave > -Original Message- > From: Chris via cctalk > Sent: 20 December 2022 22:27 > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Cc: skogkatt...@yahoo.com > Subject: [cctalk] what is on topic? > > Specifically as pertaining to old/vintage/classic/retro compuing discussion, > what > exactly is on topic? On top of my head as a for imstance I have some questions > pertaining to Windows 2003 and socket 603/604. Something tells me that > doesn't qualify, so it behooves me to ask.
[cctalk] Re: unpleasant odor from VT100
Hi Hush: There are dangerous - potentially lethal - voltages inside a CRT display, so be very, very careful if you don’t have lots of experience with these devices. Touch the high voltage points by mistake and you are likely dead on the spot. The issue probably relates to bad electrolytic capacitors in the high voltage circuitry, or with the flyback transformer as another reader has commented. Best course of action as it doesn’t sound like you have a ton of high voltage servicing experience with these devices is to visit an old school TV repair shop. Techs there can probably figure out what the issue is. Schematics are available for VT terminals on bitsavers and similar sites. Not to be alarmist, but BE CAREFUL! Kevin Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 20, 2022, at 14:06, hush hush via cctalk wrote: > > Peter, thank you for the reply! i had to wait a bit for it to get dark > enough, but i just checked and i could not see any visible arcing inside > the chassis when the terminal is powered on. there is a slight buzzing > noise coming from the problem area but i suspect that is normal. > > i did notice something new and potentially enlightening though, this time > when i turned the terminal on i could see several lines stretching > diagonally across the screen that were not there before. i also checked the > transformer(?) above the power distribution board while the unit was > powered on, it does not seem to be overheating. > >> On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 1:09 PM Peter Coghlan via cctalk < >> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: >> >> I had something similar with a VT220. I didn't get around to >> investigating it >> before the flyback transformer failed :-( >> >> I can only suggest to run it for a short time with the cover off and the >> lights >> out while looking for any glows / discharges around the flyback >> transformer, >> the EHT cable, the EHT connector on the tube and the tube base connector. >> >> Regards, >> Peter Coghlan. >> >> Ps: Anyone got a flyback transformer for a VT220? >> >>> >>> i have a VT100 that is working fine (powers on, navigates setup, >>> saves/restores settings, etc) but has an unpleasant burning/ozone odor >>> coming from the rear of it. i suspect something is running hot but i am >> not >>> sure what, i do not currently have an IR camera in my hands- working on >>> that. the original power supply has failed and is currently in storage, >> so >>> the terminal is being powered by an ATX power supply and adapter board >> for >>> the time being. this eliminates the usual R27 as being the culprit. >>> >>> as best i can tell, the smell is strongest just above the power >>> distribution board, around the neck of the CRT. appreciate any >> suggestions >>> you might have! >>
[cctalk] Re: what is on topic?
We used to shun anything newer than and including the IBM PC but time.marches on. You're safe if you discuss systems produced before 1990. After that put an OT in the front of your subject so as not to offend the purists. Personally I think anything built after 1995 is too new for cctalk, but thats just me. There are plenty of facebook groups for win 95/95+. Newer SGI, Amiga and Sun systems seem to be accepted compared to Mac and Wintel of the same year. There is a bias and it's very subjective. Bill Degnan Kennettclassic.com On Tue, Dec 20, 2022, 5:27 PM Chris via cctalk wrote: > Specifically as pertaining to old/vintage/classic/retro compuing > discussion, what exactly is on topic? On top of my head as a for imstance I > have some questions pertaining to Windows 2003 and socket 603/604. > Something tells me that doesn't qualify, so it behooves me to ask. >
[cctalk] Re: unpleasant odor from VT100
Might've just been a dead bug that got cooked. Check for a carcass. Sellam On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 2:06 PM hush hush via cctalk wrote: > Peter, thank you for the reply! i had to wait a bit for it to get dark > enough, but i just checked and i could not see any visible arcing inside > the chassis when the terminal is powered on. there is a slight buzzing > noise coming from the problem area but i suspect that is normal. > > i did notice something new and potentially enlightening though, this time > when i turned the terminal on i could see several lines stretching > diagonally across the screen that were not there before. i also checked the > transformer(?) above the power distribution board while the unit was > powered on, it does not seem to be overheating. > > On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 1:09 PM Peter Coghlan via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > I had something similar with a VT220. I didn't get around to > > investigating it > > before the flyback transformer failed :-( > > > > I can only suggest to run it for a short time with the cover off and the > > lights > > out while looking for any glows / discharges around the flyback > > transformer, > > the EHT cable, the EHT connector on the tube and the tube base connector. > > > > Regards, > > Peter Coghlan. > > > > Ps: Anyone got a flyback transformer for a VT220? > > > > > > > > i have a VT100 that is working fine (powers on, navigates setup, > > > saves/restores settings, etc) but has an unpleasant burning/ozone odor > > > coming from the rear of it. i suspect something is running hot but i am > > not > > > sure what, i do not currently have an IR camera in my hands- working on > > > that. the original power supply has failed and is currently in storage, > > so > > > the terminal is being powered by an ATX power supply and adapter board > > for > > > the time being. this eliminates the usual R27 as being the culprit. > > > > > > as best i can tell, the smell is strongest just above the power > > > distribution board, around the neck of the CRT. appreciate any > > suggestions > > > you might have! > > >
[cctalk] what is on topic?
Specifically as pertaining to old/vintage/classic/retro compuing discussion, what exactly is on topic? On top of my head as a for imstance I have some questions pertaining to Windows 2003 and socket 603/604. Something tells me that doesn't qualify, so it behooves me to ask.
[cctalk] Re: unpleasant odor from VT100
Peter, thank you for the reply! i had to wait a bit for it to get dark enough, but i just checked and i could not see any visible arcing inside the chassis when the terminal is powered on. there is a slight buzzing noise coming from the problem area but i suspect that is normal. i did notice something new and potentially enlightening though, this time when i turned the terminal on i could see several lines stretching diagonally across the screen that were not there before. i also checked the transformer(?) above the power distribution board while the unit was powered on, it does not seem to be overheating. On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 1:09 PM Peter Coghlan via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I had something similar with a VT220. I didn't get around to > investigating it > before the flyback transformer failed :-( > > I can only suggest to run it for a short time with the cover off and the > lights > out while looking for any glows / discharges around the flyback > transformer, > the EHT cable, the EHT connector on the tube and the tube base connector. > > Regards, > Peter Coghlan. > > Ps: Anyone got a flyback transformer for a VT220? > > > > > i have a VT100 that is working fine (powers on, navigates setup, > > saves/restores settings, etc) but has an unpleasant burning/ozone odor > > coming from the rear of it. i suspect something is running hot but i am > not > > sure what, i do not currently have an IR camera in my hands- working on > > that. the original power supply has failed and is currently in storage, > so > > the terminal is being powered by an ATX power supply and adapter board > for > > the time being. this eliminates the usual R27 as being the culprit. > > > > as best i can tell, the smell is strongest just above the power > > distribution board, around the neck of the CRT. appreciate any > suggestions > > you might have! >
[cctalk] Re: unpleasant odor from VT100
I had something similar with a VT220. I didn't get around to investigating it before the flyback transformer failed :-( I can only suggest to run it for a short time with the cover off and the lights out while looking for any glows / discharges around the flyback transformer, the EHT cable, the EHT connector on the tube and the tube base connector. Regards, Peter Coghlan. Ps: Anyone got a flyback transformer for a VT220? > > i have a VT100 that is working fine (powers on, navigates setup, > saves/restores settings, etc) but has an unpleasant burning/ozone odor > coming from the rear of it. i suspect something is running hot but i am not > sure what, i do not currently have an IR camera in my hands- working on > that. the original power supply has failed and is currently in storage, so > the terminal is being powered by an ATX power supply and adapter board for > the time being. this eliminates the usual R27 as being the culprit. > > as best i can tell, the smell is strongest just above the power > distribution board, around the neck of the CRT. appreciate any suggestions > you might have!
[cctalk] unpleasant odor from VT100
i have a VT100 that is working fine (powers on, navigates setup, saves/restores settings, etc) but has an unpleasant burning/ozone odor coming from the rear of it. i suspect something is running hot but i am not sure what, i do not currently have an IR camera in my hands- working on that. the original power supply has failed and is currently in storage, so the terminal is being powered by an ATX power supply and adapter board for the time being. this eliminates the usual R27 as being the culprit. as best i can tell, the smell is strongest just above the power distribution board, around the neck of the CRT. appreciate any suggestions you might have!
