Could use this group's advice on a new backup product

2008-03-04 Thread Adam Churvis
Need some advice.

 

Like a lot of companies, we eventually needed something faster and more
reliable than tape backup, so we went to an Iomega REV AutoLoader 1000,
which used up to ten 35 MB (uncompressed) disk cartridges.  Backup was a
blazing 1 GB per minute, and the cartridges never needed retiring because
they would never wear out, ever.

 

The problem was the backup software, which still emulated tape.  That means
that the entire collection of files written to a cartridge was lumped
together into a single huge file, and a separate set of files contained the
indexes into this huge file to tell the backup software where to get the
files for restoration.  And then there was the backup media database to
contend with.  

 

What we quickly found out was that every specific combination of primary
storage hardware and software, backup storage hardware and software, and the
backup software itself, is highly sensitive to the slightest change in the
environment.  So you may end up with lots of backup cartridges or tapes that
cannot be restored without painstaking patches, etc, on a different machine
(such as after the primary goes kaput).  And when a primary device fails the
last thing you need to be concerned with is hunting down backup software
installation CDs, license keys, patches, and configuration notes.

 

So we ended up retiring about $4,000 worth of NAS, REV autoloader, and
backup software less than three years after we had purchased it, and moved
to a file server using an internal RD1000 removable 300 GB data cartridge.
It has the same 1 GB/min backup speed as the REV, and everything on the
shared file server volume fits neatly on the one backup cartridge.  We went
ahead and purchased an additional external RD1000 drive to go into offsite
storage for disaster recovery so we could rock-and-roll in case of a
disaster.  Now all we needed was backup software that didn't treat the
backup medium as if it were tape.

 

The whole idea was simple: backup all files directly to a removable disk
that could be taken out of the file server and inserted into any other
Windows computer with a USB port, and be back up and running immediately.
No backup software needed to restore files -- no restoration, for that
matter - just insert the cartridge and go.

 

Problem was there was no product out there that would do this for us.  As we
went further and further into the problem, we understood why: there are a
lot of details to something so seemingly simple as copying files.  You can't
just copy over the same destination media because erasures would remain and
grow out of control, so you have to delete on the destination.  But you
can't just wipe it because it may contain other files, so you have to place
an ID file on the destination volumes and check its content against a RegEx
that validates the backup medium.  And you have to log everything and
gracefully exit on certain conditions and email the backup administrator,
and on and on and on.  And it had to do certain things: double-click on it,
and it runs as a Windows Forms application with a GUI.  Schedule it with a
-nogui switch and it runs silently.  Test things from the GUI before
scheduling.  Save your configuration, start and stop backups manually from
the GUI, etc.

 

So we built it ourselves.  We call it Back That NAS Up! and we were
thinking of selling it as a commercial product.  It's really useful for us,
so we thought others might find it useful, too.

 

My question is, How do you think we should price this product?  It would be
priced by machine, but how much?  It's very simple and very small, and you
can be up and running in five minutes.  But it makes a BIG difference in the
strategy a company can use to greatly speed its disaster recovery times.

 

Do any of you need something like this?  I'll be happy to give out trial
copies to see how people like it, and also give full commercial licenses to
the first ten people who run it as a scheduled task for at least twenty days
(we need to see how people use the product, and how they like it).

 

Please contact me *OFFLIST* if you're interested in a copy, or if you have
advice on pricing.

 

Thanks in advance to everyone who gets involved.

 


Respectfully,

 

Adam Phillip Churvis

President

Productivity Enhancement

 



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For any .net (C#) users on the list

2008-03-04 Thread James Smith
Is there an equivalent in asp.net (C#) of the cfdump tag?

I know I am probably going to get loads of responses asking me why bother
when I can examine variable contents in VS but there are times when I just
want to run a page on the server that dumps out a variable without me
needing to fire up VS all the time.

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Re: Could use this group's advice on a new backup product

2008-03-04 Thread Vivec
*doing calisthetics*
I see...
*push ups*
umm...

So have you considered using DVDs?


On 04/03/2008, Adam Churvis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Need some advice.

 which used up to ten 35 MB (uncompressed) disk cartridges.  Backup was a
 blazing 1 GB per minute, and the cartridges never needed retiring because
 they would never wear out, ever.

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Re: IMAP or not to IMAP ...

2008-03-04 Thread J.J. Merrick
IMAP. I have been using it for about 5 years now. I do everything
through Google Apps and their IMAP implementation is great.



J.J.

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 .. POP is the question .

  Which do y'all like better? IMAP or POP?

  Which is more reliable?
  Which behaves better in Outlook?


  Thank you,
  Erika




  

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RE: For any .net (C#) users on the list

2008-03-04 Thread CyberAngel
Well you should develop with the studio, and use the line debugger. And the
time it takes to line break and step through to where you want will save you
countless hours. And the need for dumping variables with cfdump will be a
thing of the past.

Even with CF I do this more than cfdumping;-)




-Original Message-
From: James Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 4 March 2008 9:25 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: For any .net (C#) users on the list

Is there an equivalent in asp.net (C#) of the cfdump tag?

I know I am probably going to get loads of responses asking me why bother
when I can examine variable contents in VS but there are times when I just
want to run a page on the server that dumps out a variable without me
needing to fire up VS all the time.

--
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Re: IMAP or not to IMAP ...

2008-03-04 Thread Rick Root
On 3/3/08, Robert Munn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The goofy thing I find about IMAP support in Outlook is how when you
 delete messages, they don't fully go away, you have to then specific purge
 deleted messages from the server.

Pretty sure Thunderbird does that too... you have to specifically
configure it to purge trash on exit.

And you can do the same thing with Outlook.

-- 
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Re: Could use this group's advice on a new backup product

2008-03-04 Thread Vivec
Oh! You know what?

What about Virtual Hard Drives??

You start things off as a VHD.

You back the entire VHD file up using standard File backup.

To Restore you just stick any USB drive with the VHD on it and run that VHD.
WHAMMO BLAMMO!
Instant 'new' and restored machine.

So an application could churn out Dated VHD files which would
constitute full system backups of any point in time!

And then from any machine you just fire up the free Windows Virtual PC
2007 and run the VHD.

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Re: For any .net (C#) users on the list

2008-03-04 Thread Bill Wheatley
Its funny that even though he says he doesn't want to hear people saying
just use VS people say use VS and don't answer his question :)



On 3/4/08, CyberAngel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well you should develop with the studio, and use the line debugger. And
 the
 time it takes to line break and step through to where you want will save
 you
 countless hours. And the need for dumping variables with cfdump will be a
 thing of the past.

 Even with CF I do this more than cfdumping;-)





 -Original Message-
 From: James Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, 4 March 2008 9:25 PM
 To: CF-Community
 Subject: For any .net (C#) users on the list

 Is there an equivalent in asp.net (C#) of the cfdump tag?

 I know I am probably going to get loads of responses asking me why bother
 when I can examine variable contents in VS but there are times when I just
 want to run a page on the server that dumps out a variable without me
 needing to fire up VS all the time.

 --
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Re: A dessert I invented tonight

2008-03-04 Thread Bill Wheatley
holy crap i just saw the picture on your blog...wheres the beard I did a
double take and said thats not the adam i know!

On 3/3/08, Adam Churvis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If you like the way Italians think of dessert, then you might like this.



 http://dietinginhell.blogspot.com/2008/03/light-and-delicious-dessert.html



 Respectfully,



 Adam Phillip Churvis

 President

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Another Awesome game ...was Re: [PS3] First look at LittleBigPlanet for PS3

2008-03-04 Thread Bill Wheatley
http://2dboy.com/games.php

World of Goo i preordered and played last night it is awesome and i greatly
enjoy it.

On 3/3/08, Vivec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You can also use LittleBigPlanet to make stuff. Not just your own
 levels for the game - any stuff. A giant ball-pool to play in with
 your friends - that would take about five minutes. A sort of
 interactive toy website, maybe featuring your holiday photos or links
 to favourite LittleBigPlanet levels by other creators, might take an
 hour or two. A giant, hideous effigy of one of your friends and a
 piston-driven canon that fires sponge frying pans at his wobbly head:
 two or three hours. A full-size, meticulously-designed platform game
 level with an Early Learning Centre does Salvador Dali does Flash
 Gordon theme: a week, a month... how long have you got?

 Sounds interesting, also sounds as though it would be better suited
 for the PC with a Keyboard and a mouse! :)

 http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=93853

 

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The good stuff on Iraq

2008-03-04 Thread Loathe
Did you know that 47 countries have re-established
their embassies in Iraq?

Did you know that the Iraqi government
currently employs 1.2 million Iraqi people?
Did you know that 3100 schools have been renovated,
364 schools are under rehabilitation,
263 new schools are now under construction
and 38 new schools have been completed in Iraq ?

Did you know that Iraq 's higher educational
structure consists of 20 Universities,
46 Institutes or colleges and 4 research centers,
all currently operating?

Did you know that 25 Iraq students departed
for the United States in January 2005
for the re-established Fulbright program?

Did you know that the Iraqi Navy is operational?
They have 5 -100-foot patrol craft, 34 smaller vessels
and a naval infantry regiment.

Did you know that Iraq 's Air Force consists of three operational squadrons,
which includes 9 reconnaissance and 3 US C-130 transport aircraft
(under Iraqi operational control)
which operate day and night, and will soon add
16 UH-1 helicopters and 4 Bell Jet Rangers?

Did you know that Iraq has a counter-terrorist
unit and a Commando Battalion?

Did you know that the Iraqi Police Service has over 55,000
fully trained and equipped police officers?

Did you know that there are 5 Police Academies in Iraq
that produce over 3500 new officers every 8 weeks?

Did you know there are more than 1100
building projects going on in Iraq ?
They include 364 schools, 67 public clinics,
15 hospitals, 83 railroad stations,
22 oil facilities, 93 water facilities
and 69 electrical facilities.

Did you know that 96% of Iraqi children under the age of 5
have received the first 2 series of polio vaccinations?

Did you know that 4.3 million Iraqi children were
enrolled in primary school by mid October?

Did you know that there are 1,192,000
cell phone subscribers in Iraq
and phone use has gone up 158%?

Did you know that Iraq has an independent
media that consists of 75 radio stations,
180 newspapers and 10 television stations?

Did you know that the Baghdad Stock Exchange
opened in June of 2004?

Did you know that 2 candidates in the Iraqi
presidential election had a televised debate recently?

OF COURSE WE DIDN'T KNOW!
WHY DIDN'T WE KNOW?

BECAUSE...

OUR MEDIA WOULDN'T TELL US!

Instead of reflecting our love for our country,
we get photos of flag burning incidents at Abu Ghraib
and people throwing snowballs at the presidential motorcades.

Tragically, the lack of accentuating the positive in Iraq serves two 
purposes:

It is intended to undermine the world's perception of the United States
thus minimizing consequent support,
and it is intended to discourage American citizens .
 Above facts are verifiable on the Department of Defense web site..

http://www.defense.gov/
http://www.pentagon.mil/
http://www.defenselink.mil/
http://www.defendamerica.mil/iraq.html
http://www.jcs.mil


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RE: For any .net (C#) users on the list

2008-03-04 Thread David Churvis
Hi James,

There is nothing like CFDUMP built into .NET outside of the VS debugger.
Unfortunately, I have also never seen one of these from a third party either
and have pined for one more than once.  Part of the problem is that whereas
CF has a rather limited set of types, the types available in .NET are
practically infinite, so it's a much more difficult task.

That said, I have actually been kicking around an autodump idea in my head
that would use reflection to figure out what's what and dump it out.  I'm
really not sure how ultimately useful it would be, however, since it's often
just easier to use the VS debugger, and the gains of having an autodump are
probably not exceeded by the time it would take to build it.

You might want to look into using the Trace feature of ASP.NET.  You can
write strings out to the trace, and even though it's not going to tell you
what *all* of your variables are, you can write out selected bits of
information and see it at the end of the request.

Hope This Helps,
David Churvis

-Original Message-
From: James Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 5:25 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: For any .net (C#) users on the list

Is there an equivalent in asp.net (C#) of the cfdump tag?

I know I am probably going to get loads of responses asking me why bother
when I can examine variable contents in VS but there are times when I just
want to run a page on the server that dumps out a variable without me
needing to fire up VS all the time.

--
Jay

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New Tool: Google Static Maps AP

2008-03-04 Thread Larry Lyons
Found this recently thought people may find it useful:

http://googlemapsapi.blogspot.com/2008/02/google-maps-without-scripting.html

from the site: 
The Google Static Maps API provides a simple way to add maps to your website. 
Rather than use JavaScript, the Google Static Maps API creates map images on 
the fly via simple requests to the Static Maps service with HTTP requests. No 
JavaScript, no overhead. Just create a special URL as the src attribute within 
an img tag and let the Static Maps service create your image.
--

hth,
larry 

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Re: The good stuff on Iraq

2008-03-04 Thread G Money
Even if Iraq ultimately turns into a better place...and I think in time it
will (freedom is always better than oppression), I'm not willing to admit
that it was worth the price in American blood and money.

If bringing freedom to the world is going to be this much phucking work
every timecount me out.

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 7:48 AM, Loathe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Did you know that 47 countries have re-established
 their embassies in Iraq?

 Did you know that the Iraqi government
 currently employs 1.2 million Iraqi people?
 Did you know that 3100 schools have been renovated,
 364 schools are under rehabilitation,
 263 new schools are now under construction
 and 38 new schools have been completed in Iraq ?

 Did you know that Iraq 's higher educational
 structure consists of 20 Universities,
 46 Institutes or colleges and 4 research centers,
 all currently operating?

 Did you know that 25 Iraq students departed
 for the United States in January 2005
 for the re-established Fulbright program?

 Did you know that the Iraqi Navy is operational?
 They have 5 -100-foot patrol craft, 34 smaller vessels
 and a naval infantry regiment.

 Did you know that Iraq 's Air Force consists of three operational
 squadrons,
 which includes 9 reconnaissance and 3 US C-130 transport aircraft
 (under Iraqi operational control)
 which operate day and night, and will soon add
 16 UH-1 helicopters and 4 Bell Jet Rangers?

 Did you know that Iraq has a counter-terrorist
 unit and a Commando Battalion?

 Did you know that the Iraqi Police Service has over 55,000
 fully trained and equipped police officers?

 Did you know that there are 5 Police Academies in Iraq
 that produce over 3500 new officers every 8 weeks?

 Did you know there are more than 1100
 building projects going on in Iraq ?
 They include 364 schools, 67 public clinics,
 15 hospitals, 83 railroad stations,
 22 oil facilities, 93 water facilities
 and 69 electrical facilities.

 Did you know that 96% of Iraqi children under the age of 5
 have received the first 2 series of polio vaccinations?

 Did you know that 4.3 million Iraqi children were
 enrolled in primary school by mid October?

 Did you know that there are 1,192,000
 cell phone subscribers in Iraq
 and phone use has gone up 158%?

 Did you know that Iraq has an independent
 media that consists of 75 radio stations,
 180 newspapers and 10 television stations?

 Did you know that the Baghdad Stock Exchange
 opened in June of 2004?

 Did you know that 2 candidates in the Iraqi
 presidential election had a televised debate recently?

 OF COURSE WE DIDN'T KNOW!
 WHY DIDN'T WE KNOW?

 BECAUSE...

 OUR MEDIA WOULDN'T TELL US!

 Instead of reflecting our love for our country,
 we get photos of flag burning incidents at Abu Ghraib
 and people throwing snowballs at the presidential motorcades.

 Tragically, the lack of accentuating the positive in Iraq serves two
 purposes:

 It is intended to undermine the world's perception of the United States
 thus minimizing consequent support,
 and it is intended to discourage American citizens .
  Above facts are verifiable on the Department of Defense web site..

 http://www.defense.gov/
 http://www.pentagon.mil/
 http://www.defenselink.mil/
 http://www.defendamerica.mil/iraq.html
 http://www.jcs.mil


 

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Re: A dessert I invented tonight

2008-03-04 Thread Ben Doom
Gruss Gott wrote:
 * sugar-free jello.  An old stand by, boring, but surprisingly satisfying.

One of my favorites.  Munchie-killer, and I can have all I want.

 * calorie free Walden Farms anything: jams, syrups, chocolate sauce, etc.

Never tried Walden Farms.  I'll have to look into it.

 * High-fat pudding: take some full strength ricota (4%), add in a
 little calorie free chocolate sauce and blend with an immersion
 blender til smooth.  That's tasty!

That sounds really good, albeit I would substitute something else for 
the chocolate.  Vanilla?  Strawberry?  Pineapple!

 * I also do peanut butter with the cal-free choc sauce.

I dig PB with sugar-free (Smuckers -- I've not found another good brand) 
jelly.  Not quite sugar-free, technically, but less than the original 
fruit.  Also, I like those pure-fruit things; a little goes a long way.

 So, yeah, they all sound yucky, but if you're on a fat-adapt diet they
 do the trick!

Don't sound yucky at all to me, but I'm also the guy who eats peanut 
butter and dill pickle sandwiches.  Try them, you might like them!

--Doom


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Hotmail/Live.com Outlook

2008-03-04 Thread Duane
Anyone here using a Hotmail or Live.com email and using Outlook to check
your email? I want to push the email for one of my hobby domains to live.com
so I can get the email traffic off my server. The problem I am running into
is that I can't figure out how to check my email using Outlook. I tried
setting it up using HTTP and live.com but it doesn't work for me.

Thanks,
Duane



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Re: The good stuff on Iraq

2008-03-04 Thread Vivec
Sooo.you blew the country up...and now you're fixing it.
Which companies are getting these rebuilding contracts?

It's good if the people of Iraq could finally know some peace and
general stability.

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RE: For any .net (C#) users on the list

2008-03-04 Thread James Smith
Oh well, its mostly for development reasons when (for example) I have
written a query and just want to dump the results to screen quickly to make
sure I am getting what I want.  It is also handy if your dev server is
working fine but you are getting odd results from the production server
hosted hundreds of miles away, it is simpler to just cfdump some variables
than to try to connect VS to the remote machine.

Never mind, I guess like everything else I currently dislike about .net I
will eventually get used to it ;-)

--
Jay

-Original Message-
From: David Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 04 March 2008 14:05
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: For any .net (C#) users on the list

Hi James,

There is nothing like CFDUMP built into .NET outside of the VS debugger.
Unfortunately, I have also never seen one of these from a third party either
and have pined for one more than once.  Part of the problem is that whereas
CF has a rather limited set of types, the types available in .NET are
practically infinite, so it's a much more difficult task.

That said, I have actually been kicking around an autodump idea in my head
that would use reflection to figure out what's what and dump it out.  I'm
really not sure how ultimately useful it would be, however, since it's often
just easier to use the VS debugger, and the gains of having an autodump are
probably not exceeded by the time it would take to build it.

You might want to look into using the Trace feature of ASP.NET.  You can
write strings out to the trace, and even though it's not going to tell you
what *all* of your variables are, you can write out selected bits of
information and see it at the end of the request.

Hope This Helps,
David Churvis

-Original Message-
From: James Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 5:25 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: For any .net (C#) users on the list

Is there an equivalent in asp.net (C#) of the cfdump tag?

I know I am probably going to get loads of responses asking me why bother
when I can examine variable contents in VS but there are times when I just
want to run a page on the server that dumps out a variable without me
needing to fire up VS all the time.

--
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RE: IMAP or not to IMAP ...

2008-03-04 Thread Erika L. Walker
H. So many good things to say about IMAP eh? I do like IMAP ...

I use Google Hosted almost exclusively for all email accounts. 

I need Outlook's features otherwise I'd continue to use the Google web
version which I have been doing for the past year. But, the ability to have
about a dozen plus other accounts within easy one click access, the preview
pane, One Note access and the RSS feed reader made me convert back to
Outlook...

In fact, since switching back to Outlook last month, my inbox went from over
1000 emails down to a few hundred because I was getting a little too lost
with organizing things. Don't have a concrete why it's easier for me to
organize in Outlook, it just is.

The thing I was noticing though, is that it's so slow to synchronize and
check all the IMAP accounts. The pop's just come on in. Done, dusted. (yes,
I leave pop emails on the server in case I need emails and don't have my
laptop) But the IMAP's are taking forever. I've got 8 IMAP accounts.

For my main RUWebby account, I've got over hundred filters/labels which
yes, translated nicely into folders in Outlook, but to check them all takes
Outlook a long time.

So I guess I'm trying to figure out how to streamline this process better. I
thought maybe POP would be quicker than IMAP, just leave everything on
Google so I get the backup if I need it.

The answer may seem simple to you guys, cut down on email. But I can't. I've
already tried. These are either client accounts or all related to the
business. In fact, I've got more to add ... :(

But you all seem to have no issues with speed? Outlook has crashed a couple
times on me as well ...




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Re: A dessert I invented tonight

2008-03-04 Thread Bill Wheatley
if you goto zahadoom you will die. :) I always think of that phrase when i
see your name bd :)

On 3/4/08, Ben Doom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Gruss Gott wrote:
  * sugar-free jello.  An old stand by, boring, but surprisingly
 satisfying.


 One of my favorites.  Munchie-killer, and I can have all I want.


  * calorie free Walden Farms anything: jams, syrups, chocolate sauce,
 etc.


 Never tried Walden Farms.  I'll have to look into it.


  * High-fat pudding: take some full strength ricota (4%), add in a
  little calorie free chocolate sauce and blend with an immersion
  blender til smooth.  That's tasty!


 That sounds really good, albeit I would substitute something else for
 the chocolate.  Vanilla?  Strawberry?  Pineapple!


  * I also do peanut butter with the cal-free choc sauce.


 I dig PB with sugar-free (Smuckers -- I've not found another good brand)
 jelly.  Not quite sugar-free, technically, but less than the original
 fruit.  Also, I like those pure-fruit things; a little goes a long way.


  So, yeah, they all sound yucky, but if you're on a fat-adapt diet they
  do the trick!


 Don't sound yucky at all to me, but I'm also the guy who eats peanut
 butter and dill pickle sandwiches.  Try them, you might like them!

 --Doom



 

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Re: The good stuff on Iraq

2008-03-04 Thread Loathe
blow me.

Sadaam got them blown up, all we ever hear is the negative, I just want 
to put out a bit of the positive and you have to hate.

You're a hater gellie, a hater :)

Vivec wrote:
 Sooo.you blew the country up...and now you're fixing it.
 Which companies are getting these rebuilding contracts?
 
 It's good if the people of Iraq could finally know some peace and
 general stability.
 
 

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Re: A dessert I invented tonight

2008-03-04 Thread Ben Doom
Wha?

Bill Wheatley wrote:
 if you goto zahadoom you will die. :) I always think of that phrase when i
 see your name bd :)
 
 On 3/4/08, Ben Doom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Gruss Gott wrote:
 * sugar-free jello.  An old stand by, boring, but surprisingly
 satisfying.


 One of my favorites.  Munchie-killer, and I can have all I want.


 * calorie free Walden Farms anything: jams, syrups, chocolate sauce,
 etc.


 Never tried Walden Farms.  I'll have to look into it.


 * High-fat pudding: take some full strength ricota (4%), add in a
 little calorie free chocolate sauce and blend with an immersion
 blender til smooth.  That's tasty!

 That sounds really good, albeit I would substitute something else for
 the chocolate.  Vanilla?  Strawberry?  Pineapple!


 * I also do peanut butter with the cal-free choc sauce.

 I dig PB with sugar-free (Smuckers -- I've not found another good brand)
 jelly.  Not quite sugar-free, technically, but less than the original
 fruit.  Also, I like those pure-fruit things; a little goes a long way.


 So, yeah, they all sound yucky, but if you're on a fat-adapt diet they
 do the trick!

 Don't sound yucky at all to me, but I'm also the guy who eats peanut
 butter and dill pickle sandwiches.  Try them, you might like them!

 --Doom




 
 

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Re: IMAP or not to IMAP ...

2008-03-04 Thread Ben Doom
I used to have issues connecting to my home server, but ... that's cause 
it was a home server, on a small fraction of a 768-up pipe (also ran a 
fileserver and webserver over the same pipe, so...)

--Doom

Erika L. Walker wrote:
 H. So many good things to say about IMAP eh? I do like IMAP ...
 
 I use Google Hosted almost exclusively for all email accounts. 
 
 I need Outlook's features otherwise I'd continue to use the Google web
 version which I have been doing for the past year. But, the ability to have
 about a dozen plus other accounts within easy one click access, the preview
 pane, One Note access and the RSS feed reader made me convert back to
 Outlook...
 
 In fact, since switching back to Outlook last month, my inbox went from over
 1000 emails down to a few hundred because I was getting a little too lost
 with organizing things. Don't have a concrete why it's easier for me to
 organize in Outlook, it just is.
 
 The thing I was noticing though, is that it's so slow to synchronize and
 check all the IMAP accounts. The pop's just come on in. Done, dusted. (yes,
 I leave pop emails on the server in case I need emails and don't have my
 laptop) But the IMAP's are taking forever. I've got 8 IMAP accounts.
 
 For my main RUWebby account, I've got over hundred filters/labels which
 yes, translated nicely into folders in Outlook, but to check them all takes
 Outlook a long time.
 
 So I guess I'm trying to figure out how to streamline this process better. I
 thought maybe POP would be quicker than IMAP, just leave everything on
 Google so I get the backup if I need it.
 
 The answer may seem simple to you guys, cut down on email. But I can't. I've
 already tried. These are either client accounts or all related to the
 business. In fact, I've got more to add ... :(
 
 But you all seem to have no issues with speed? Outlook has crashed a couple
 times on me as well ...
 
 
 
 
 

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RE: Could use this group's advice on a new backup product

2008-03-04 Thread Erika L. Walker
What about Retrospect to a separate new hard drive? Or even a machine
dedicated to being just a backup server on your network? Or Even off network
(remote)?

Well, you really should have something remote, otherwise, well, a backup is
only as good as it's safety ...


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RE: IMAP or not to IMAP ...

2008-03-04 Thread Erika L. Walker
That makes sense. I'm on a 3-5MB connection at all times, although in the
evenings sometimes it crawls, whether I'm on DSL or Cable. All those xbox
live users ... :P

Google's servers I would assume are pretty fast ...

The laptop itself is dual CPU running 1.6ghz and 2 gigs of ram. XP Pro. So
that's decently fast.

Ohs wells.


: -Original Message-
: From: Ben Doom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
: 
: I used to have issues connecting to my home server, but ... that's cause
: it was a home server, on a small fraction of a 768-up pipe (also ran a
: fileserver and webserver over the same pipe, so...)



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RE: Hotmail/Live.com Outlook

2008-03-04 Thread Erika L. Walker
Setup Google Hosted for it?



: -Original Message-
: From: Duane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
: Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 9:44 AM
: To: CF-Community
: Subject: Hotmail/Live.com  Outlook
: 
: Anyone here using a Hotmail or Live.com email and using Outlook to check
: your email? I want to push the email for one of my hobby domains to
live.com
: so I can get the email traffic off my server. The problem I am running
into
: is that I can't figure out how to check my email using Outlook. I tried
: setting it up using HTTP and live.com but it doesn't work for me.
: 
: Thanks,
: Duane



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RE: Hotmail/Live.com Outlook

2008-03-04 Thread Duane
One of the features I like about live.com is it allows open enrollment. This
means I don't have to maintain the user accounts.

Does google support this?

Duane

-Original Message-
From: Erika L. Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 11:16 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Hotmail/Live.com  Outlook

Setup Google Hosted for it?



: -Original Message-
: From: Duane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
: Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 9:44 AM
: To: CF-Community
: Subject: Hotmail/Live.com  Outlook
: 
: Anyone here using a Hotmail or Live.com email and using Outlook to check
: your email? I want to push the email for one of my hobby domains to
live.com
: so I can get the email traffic off my server. The problem I am running
into
: is that I can't figure out how to check my email using Outlook. I tried
: setting it up using HTTP and live.com but it doesn't work for me.
: 
: Thanks,
: Duane





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im married!!

2008-03-04 Thread Tony
hahahahaha, im the lucky one :)

ok, www.flickr.com/photos/tonyweeg

you can check out the pics...

peace out.
im married.
:) im tired
i wanna chill.

laterz

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RE: im married!!

2008-03-04 Thread Adkins, Randy
Congrats! 

-Original Message-
From: Tony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 10:20 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: im married!!

hahahahaha, im the lucky one :)

ok, www.flickr.com/photos/tonyweeg

you can check out the pics...

peace out.
im married.
:) im tired
i wanna chill.

laterz

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seconds flat, if you spot the heat coming around the corner'

robert deniro - heat (1995)



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RE: im married!!

2008-03-04 Thread Scott Stewart
Dude, that's awesome, looks like the wedding was a lot of fun...
But there's no pictures of the reception...

Inquiring minds want to know

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-Original Message-
From: Tony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 10:20 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: im married!!

hahahahaha, im the lucky one :)

ok, www.flickr.com/photos/tonyweeg

you can check out the pics...

peace out.
im married.
:) im tired
i wanna chill.

laterz

-- 
'Never have anything in your life that you can't walk out on in thirty
seconds flat, if you spot the heat coming around the corner'

robert deniro - heat (1995)



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Re: im married!!

2008-03-04 Thread Gruss Gott
 Weegs wrote:
 hahahahaha, im the lucky one :)


SCORE!  Congrats!  So any honeymoon plans or just celebrate in that
zoo you live in?  :)

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Re: im married!!

2008-03-04 Thread Crow T. Robot
Congrats dude!

Looks like your wedding was a lot of fun, which is what it's all about.

:::Holds up glass:::  CHEERS1

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:20 AM, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 hahahahaha, im the lucky one :)

 ok, www.flickr.com/photos/tonyweeg

 you can check out the pics...

 peace out.
 im married.
 :) im tired
 i wanna chill.

 laterz

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 seconds flat, if you spot the heat coming around the corner'

 robert deniro - heat (1995)

 

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Re: im married!!

2008-03-04 Thread Gruss Gott
 gg wrote:
  Weegs wrote:
   hahahahaha, im the lucky one :)
  

  SCORE!  Congrats!  So any honeymoon plans or just celebrate in that
  zoo you live in?  :)


BTW - great pics, you're quite the handsome couple.

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Re: im married!!

2008-03-04 Thread G Money
congrats Tee-Dub.

Dig your vest, by the wayis it red? (i'm color blind)

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:20 AM, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 hahahahaha, im the lucky one :)

 ok, www.flickr.com/photos/tonyweeg

 you can check out the pics...

 peace out.
 im married.
 :) im tired
 i wanna chill.

 laterz

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 seconds flat, if you spot the heat coming around the corner'

 robert deniro - heat (1995)

 

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Re: im married!!

2008-03-04 Thread Loathe
Another bastion falls.

Seriously though, congrats man.  May it be long and happy.

Tony wrote:
 hahahahaha, im the lucky one :)
 
 ok, www.flickr.com/photos/tonyweeg
 
 you can check out the pics...
 
 peace out.
 im married.
 :) im tired
 i wanna chill.
 
 laterz
 

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Re: im married!!

2008-03-04 Thread Dana
congratulations.

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 8:20 AM, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 hahahahaha, im the lucky one :)

 ok, www.flickr.com/photos/tonyweeg

 you can check out the pics...

 peace out.
 im married.
 :) im tired
 i wanna chill.

 laterz

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Re: im married!!

2008-03-04 Thread Loathe
Oh, and whos the blonde?

Tony wrote:
 hahahahaha, im the lucky one :)
 
 ok, www.flickr.com/photos/tonyweeg
 
 you can check out the pics...
 
 peace out.
 im married.
 :) im tired
 i wanna chill.
 
 laterz
 

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Re: im married!!

2008-03-04 Thread Ben Doom
w00t!  Rock on, dude.  I wish you all the luck in the world.

--Doom

Tony wrote:
 hahahahaha, im the lucky one :)
 
 ok, www.flickr.com/photos/tonyweeg
 
 you can check out the pics...
 
 peace out.
 im married.
 :) im tired
 i wanna chill.
 
 laterz
 


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RE: Hotmail/Live.com Outlook

2008-03-04 Thread Erika L. Walker
Ahhh. Not sure. Never thought about checking to see if someone could sign up
for an email under one of my hosted domains...

Lemmee go sees...

Thank you,
Erika

: -Original Message-
: From: Duane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
: Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 10:22 AM
: To: CF-Community
: Subject: RE: Hotmail/Live.com  Outlook
: 
: One of the features I like about live.com is it allows open enrollment.
This
: means I don't have to maintain the user accounts.
: 
: Does google support this?
: 
: Duane



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RE: im married!!

2008-03-04 Thread Erika L. Walker
Congratulations man! Great pics
:D


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Re: Could use this group's advice on a new backup product

2008-03-04 Thread Ben Doom
Heh.  The only negative comment I could find about the DNS-323 was 
something along the lines of I wouldn't recommend it for any shared 
location because, really, if I saw one, I'd steal it.

--Doom

Erika L. Walker wrote:
 What about Retrospect to a separate new hard drive? Or even a machine
 dedicated to being just a backup server on your network? Or Even off network
 (remote)?
 
 Well, you really should have something remote, otherwise, well, a backup is
 only as good as it's safety ...
 
 
 

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Re: im married!!

2008-03-04 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
Dmn dude, took that many guys to keep you at the altar?!?

kidding aside, congrats!

Hatton

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RE: im married!!

2008-03-04 Thread Scott Stewart
You didn’t see the shackles on his feet?

j/k

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Subject: Re: im married!!

Dmn dude, took that many guys to keep you at the altar?!?

kidding aside, congrats!

Hatton



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Re: Hotmail/Live.com Outlook

2008-03-04 Thread Casey Dougall
On 3/4/08, Duane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 One of the features I like about live.com is it allows open enrollment.
 This
 means I don't have to maintain the user accounts.

 Does google support this?

 Duane



I have to believe you can do this with Google Hosted but you may need to
make a script that ties into the API or something. I'll take
snowboard.comas an example. there were using another service for
e-mail or all of their
users and switched to gmail hosted. They must have figured out a way to
allow the auto e-mail signup since everyone with a snowboard.com account
automatically gets an @snowboard.com email address.


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Re: The good stuff on Iraq

2008-03-04 Thread G Money
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:36 AM, Larry Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Over $600 billion + to date with much more over the next couple of years.

 So what did Cheney say something about the invasion would be paying for
 itself. So where's the money?


Great question! Ask all those people who think we went to war for oil

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Re: The good stuff on Iraq

2008-03-04 Thread Larry Lyons
Even if Iraq ultimately turns into a better place...and I think in time it
will (freedom is always better than oppression), I'm not willing to admit
that it was worth the price in American blood and money.

If bringing freedom to the world is going to be this much phucking work
every timecount me out.


Over $600 billion + to date with much more over the next couple of years.

So what did Cheney say something about the invasion would be paying for itself. 
So where's the money? 

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Re: The good stuff on Iraq

2008-03-04 Thread Gruss Gott
 tBone wrote:
  Sadaam got them blown up, all we ever hear is the negative,

You've worked on projects I'm assuming so you should understand why
all this is besides the point.

The original project plan was for $0 with an 18 month duration.  We're
now at 5 years with and pushing a billion with no end in sight.

All the stuff you posted should not be reported because it doesn't
even meet the minimum expectation for this project.

President Bush only need report a few things or he should shut the f up:

(1.) What the new withdrawal timeline is given the original is blown.

(2.) What the new budget is, given the original is blown.

(3.) The new project plan given the original is blown.

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project manager.  I gave my vote for that in 2004, but I wasn't able
to convince the rest of the stakeholders to do the same.

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Re: im married!!

2008-03-04 Thread Deanna Schneider
Congrats Tony - best wishes for a happy future.

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:20 AM, Tony  wrote:
 hahahahaha, im the lucky one :)

  ok, www.flickr.com/photos/tonyweeg

  you can check out the pics...


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Re: im married!!

2008-03-04 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
Congrats!  Sorry I couldn't make it.  Oh wait...I wasn't invited :)

On Mar 4, 2008, at 9:20 AM, Tony wrote:

 hahahahaha, im the lucky one :)

 ok, www.flickr.com/photos/tonyweeg

 you can check out the pics...

 peace out.
 im married.
 :) im tired
 i wanna chill.

 laterz

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 seconds flat, if you spot the heat coming around the corner'

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Re: im married!!

2008-03-04 Thread William Bowen
Congrats Tony!

Great pics :-)

 hahahahaha, im the lucky one :)

  ok, www.flickr.com/photos/tonyweeg

  you can check out the pics...



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Re: The good stuff on Iraq

2008-03-04 Thread Loathe
Yeah, war doesn't work that way, and you know it.

When a nation decides to go to war they are putting their national 
future, their economy, all of it on the line.

Unfortunately the modern American can see past the end of their nose, or 
own wallet as the case may be.

Gruss Gott wrote:
 tBone wrote:
  Sadaam got them blown up, all we ever hear is the negative,
 
 You've worked on projects I'm assuming so you should understand why
 all this is besides the point.
 
 The original project plan was for $0 with an 18 month duration.  We're
 now at 5 years with and pushing a billion with no end in sight.
 
 All the stuff you posted should not be reported because it doesn't
 even meet the minimum expectation for this project.
 
 President Bush only need report a few things or he should shut the f up:
 
 (1.) What the new withdrawal timeline is given the original is blown.
 
 (2.) What the new budget is, given the original is blown.
 
 (3.) The new project plan given the original is blown.
 
 If he can't do that, then he should be fired and we should get a new
 project manager.  I gave my vote for that in 2004, but I wasn't able
 to convince the rest of the stakeholders to do the same.
 
 

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Re: IMAP or not to IMAP ...

2008-03-04 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
The only thing I don't care about google's imap implementation is that  
if you have 1000 messages in your account, your imap account in  
Outlook will have 2000 messages, the All Messages will have  
everything in it, and then your individual labels will have another  
sync'd copy of the messages.


On Mar 4, 2008, at 9:16 AM, Erika L. Walker wrote:

 That makes sense. I'm on a 3-5MB connection at all times, although  
 in the
 evenings sometimes it crawls, whether I'm on DSL or Cable. All those  
 xbox
 live users ... :P

 Google's servers I would assume are pretty fast ...

 The laptop itself is dual CPU running 1.6ghz and 2 gigs of ram. XP  
 Pro. So
 that's decently fast.

 Ohs wells.


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 : From: Ben Doom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 :
 : I used to have issues connecting to my home server, but ...  
 that's cause
 : it was a home server, on a small fraction of a 768-up pipe (also  
 ran a
 : fileserver and webserver over the same pipe, so...)



 

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RE: IMAP or not to IMAP ...

2008-03-04 Thread Erika L. Walker
I chose to not synchronize those folders in Outlook, so it doesn't even look
in them unless I click on the All Mail folder. Then it gets the headers? I
believe.


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: Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 11:34 AM
: To: CF-Community
: Subject: Re: IMAP or not to IMAP ...
: 
: The only thing I don't care about google's imap implementation is that
: if you have 1000 messages in your account, your imap account in
: Outlook will have 2000 messages, the All Messages will have
: everything in it, and then your individual labels will have another
: sync'd copy of the messages.



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Re: The good stuff on Iraq

2008-03-04 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
I was listening to Diane Rehms this morning and the topic was the  
true cost of the Iraq war.  The point was brought up that 1) no  
other president in history has championed tax cuts during a war, they  
were almost exclusively the other way, 2) All of this war is being  
funded on credit whereas other wars have been funded in some part by  
taxes, 3) Unless you are a serviceman or related to a serviceman, you  
have in no way had to give up anything for this war.

Seems to me that if the republicans really believed in this war and  
thought it was just and deserved, they wouldn't mind paying for it.


On Mar 4, 2008, at 10:59 AM, Loathe wrote:

 Yeah, war doesn't work that way, and you know it.

 When a nation decides to go to war they are putting their national
 future, their economy, all of it on the line.

 Unfortunately the modern American can see past the end of their  
 nose, or
 own wallet as the case may be.

 Gruss Gott wrote:
 tBone wrote:
 Sadaam got them blown up, all we ever hear is the negative,

 You've worked on projects I'm assuming so you should understand why
 all this is besides the point.

 The original project plan was for $0 with an 18 month duration.   
 We're
 now at 5 years with and pushing a billion with no end in sight.

 All the stuff you posted should not be reported because it doesn't
 even meet the minimum expectation for this project.

 President Bush only need report a few things or he should shut the  
 f up:

 (1.) What the new withdrawal timeline is given the original is blown.

 (2.) What the new budget is, given the original is blown.

 (3.) The new project plan given the original is blown.

 If he can't do that, then he should be fired and we should get a new
 project manager.  I gave my vote for that in 2004, but I wasn't able
 to convince the rest of the stakeholders to do the same.



 

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Re: IMAP or not to IMAP ...

2008-03-04 Thread Cameron Childress
Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
 The only thing I don't care about google's imap implementation is that  
 if you have 1000 messages in your account, your imap account in  
 Outlook will have 2000 messages, the All Messages will have  
 everything in it, and then your individual labels will have another  
 sync'd copy of the messages.
   

I generally let Google filter my mail with the objective being all list 
mail goes into a label and skips the inbox.  That way ultimately my 
inbox is pretty lightweight with only 100 or so messages in it at any 
given time (less if I'm being really good about answering emails).  I 
may be wrong about this, but I think IMAP can be configured to only 
retrieve headers and only to retrieve folder messages once you've 
selected that folder.  My syncing seems really quick and I know (on my 
Treo at least) the folder contents aren't on my device till I select the 
folder to view.

-Cameron

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Re: The good stuff on Iraq

2008-03-04 Thread Jerry Johnson
You say that like its a bad thing.

=)

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Vivec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sooo.you blew the country up...and now you're fixing it.



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Re: The good stuff on Iraq

2008-03-04 Thread Dana
 taxes, 3) Unless you are a serviceman or related to a serviceman, you
 have in no way had to give up anything for this war.

I call BS on that. A whole lot of quite inoffensive programs (grants
for higher education, weatherization for the elderly) have been
defunded because we are broke they say.

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Re: The good stuff on Iraq

2008-03-04 Thread G Money
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Loathe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 When a nation decides to go to war they are putting their national
 future, their economy, all of it on the line.


EXACTLY!!!

And that is precisely why this war was a bad idea. No fricking way in hell
the people of Iraq are worth risking our national future, our economy, our
way of life, etc.

Call me a bastard...but that's just how I feel.

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Re: im married!!

2008-03-04 Thread Tony
reception pics are coming, flickr is suckin from work
but fine from home... whateves, tonight. :)

me

On 3/4/08, William Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Congrats Tony!

 Great pics :-)

  hahahahaha, im the lucky one :)
 
   ok, www.flickr.com/photos/tonyweeg
 
   you can check out the pics...



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dont know if this made it here yet...

2008-03-04 Thread Tony
http://www.kitv.com/news/15482127/detail.html

another fucking motherfucking faggot ass motherfucker.

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Re: dont know if this made it here yet...

2008-03-04 Thread Crow T. Robot
WTF

Hate assholes like this.

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://www.kitv.com/news/15482127/detail.html

 another fucking motherfucking faggot ass motherfucker.

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Re: The good stuff on Iraq

2008-03-04 Thread G Money
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 weatherization for the elderly)


^^ what on earth is that?

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RE: dont know if this made it here yet...

2008-03-04 Thread Scott Stewart
Yeah. I hope the Corp throws him off his own cliff I read the story,
their already talking court martial.

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-Original Message-
From: Tony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 12:27 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: dont know if this made it here yet...

http://www.kitv.com/news/15482127/detail.html

another fucking motherfucking faggot ass motherfucker.

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Re: The good stuff on Iraq

2008-03-04 Thread Vivec
That was just to make sure we were paying attention :)

On 04/03/2008, G Money [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   weatherization for the elderly)
 ^^ what on earth is that?

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Re: The good stuff on Iraq

2008-03-04 Thread Dana
essentially if you are 80 years old and living in a rundown house
getting clobbered by huge heating bills there used to be a small pot
of money that could be used to buy you some insulation. I believe it
was a whopping $1 million for the entire country.

I expect this will set off another round of fuck them, they should die
if they didn't save enough money, but if so I really don't have
time... shouldn't be in email anyway.

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 10:26 AM, G Money [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  weatherization for the elderly)


^^ what on earth is that?

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Re: The good stuff on Iraq

2008-03-04 Thread Loathe
fuck them, they should die
if they didn't save enough money

Dana wrote:
 essentially if you are 80 years old and living in a rundown house
 getting clobbered by huge heating bills there used to be a small pot
 of money that could be used to buy you some insulation. I believe it
 was a whopping $1 million for the entire country.
 
 I expect this will set off another round of fuck them, they should die
 if they didn't save enough money, but if so I really don't have
 time... shouldn't be in email anyway.
 
 On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 10:26 AM, G Money [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 weatherization for the elderly)

^^ what on earth is that?

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 Your deafness, a shout



 
 

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Re: dont know if this made it here yet...

2008-03-04 Thread Ian Skinner
Tony wrote:
 http://www.kitv.com/news/15482127/detail.html

 another fucking motherfucking faggot ass motherfucker.

Not that this is better or anything, but has it been determined that it 
was a US marine?  I saw an extensive discussion on this Video yesterday 
and there was much consideration that it may have been another countries 
service man.  But I have not actually watched it.



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Re: dont know if this made it here yet...

2008-03-04 Thread G Money
Can't watch...read about it though.

No words to describe..

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://www.kitv.com/news/15482127/detail.html

 another fucking motherfucking faggot ass motherfucker.

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Re: The good stuff on Iraq

2008-03-04 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
maybe they meant if you're a republican, you haven't had to give up  
anything :)

On Mar 4, 2008, at 11:21 AM, Dana wrote:

 taxes, 3) Unless you are a serviceman or related to a serviceman, you
 have in no way had to give up anything for this war.

 I call BS on that. A whole lot of quite inoffensive programs (grants
 for higher education, weatherization for the elderly) have been
 defunded because we are broke they say.

 

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Re: The good stuff on Iraq

2008-03-04 Thread G Money
Yeah, I was thinking we already have a weatherization project for the
elderly...it's called Florida.

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 11:38 AM, Vivec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That was just to make sure we were paying attention :)

 On 04/03/2008, G Money [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
weatherization for the elderly)
  ^^ what on earth is that?

 

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RE: A dessert I invented tonight

2008-03-04 Thread Adam Churvis
Jeez, that thing's been gone for years!

Respectfully,

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President
Productivity Enhancement


 -Original Message-
 From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 8:15 AM
 To: CF-Community
 Subject: Re: A dessert I invented tonight
 
 holy crap i just saw the picture on your blog...wheres the beard I
 did a
 double take and said thats not the adam i know!


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Re: The good stuff on Iraq

2008-03-04 Thread Gruss Gott
 tBone wrote:
 Yeah, war doesn't work that way, and you know it.


(1.) Congress didn't declare war.

(2.) We're not in conflict with the people of Iraq, nor it's
leadership, nor do we want to take possession of any of their lands or
resources.

(3.) If war was declared, our President has cut taxes and told us to
shop.  The only Americans taking part in the engagement are the
military and other volunteer profiteers.

(4.) Our military is currently engaged to provide security for a
foreign government and foreign people.

(5.) Our taxes are currently paying to rebuild another country's infrastructure.

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Re: The good stuff on Iraq

2008-03-04 Thread Robert Munn
To put it in capitalist terms, we are investing our money in the future of
Iraq, the future of the Middle East, and the future of the Muslim world.


On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Gruss G wrote:


 (1.) Congress didn't declare war.

 (2.) We're not in conflict with the people of Iraq, nor it's
 leadership, nor do we want to take possession of any of their lands or
 resources.

 (3.) If war was declared, our President has cut taxes and told us to
 shop.  The only Americans taking part in the engagement are the
 military and other volunteer profiteers.

 (4.) Our military is currently engaged to provide security for a
 foreign government and foreign people.

 (5.) Our taxes are currently paying to rebuild another country's
 infrastructure.



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Poll: Repubs Like Obama, McCain

2008-03-04 Thread Gruss Gott
Republicans like Sen. Barack Obama nearly as much as they like their
own likely presidential nominee, Sen. John McCain, according to a new
Fox 5/The Washington Times/Rasmussen Reports poll.

The survey determined that a quarter of self-identified Republicans
rated Mr. McCain most likable, but nearly as many — 23 percent — chose
Mr. Obama as most likable. And among all adults surveyed, Mr. Obama
was rated likable by more people than Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and
Mr. McCain combined, underscoring the Illinois senator's appeal to
voters across the political spectrum.

There is something about Barack Obama that is hard to capture in
polling and it's an enthusiasm, it's a freshness, it's an excitement
he can generate that will certainly be a factor in the campaign, said
pollster Scott Rasmussen.

Mr. Obama said his message and his brand of campaigning will help him
compete in states traditionally hostile to Democrats, and the poll
numbers suggest an opening for that approach.

By contrast, likability has never been Mr. McCain's strong suit — even
long-shot Republican candidate Mike Huckabee was rated more likable in
the poll, both among all adults and Republicans specifically. Mr.
McCain instead is betting on his national-security credentials, and
there the survey shows him topping both Democrats combined.

Mr. McCain led with 39 percent to Mr. Obama's 17 percent and Mrs.
Clinton's 19 percent when those surveyed were asked who will be the
toughest on matters of national security. Even among self-identified
Democrats, Mr. McCain fared decently with one in five rating him
toughest.

Mr. McCain is well-aware of his advantage on that score, accusing Mr.
Obama last week of misreading the terrorist threat in Iraq.

I've been involved in every major national security challenge for the
last 20 years, the Arizona senator said.

Mr. Obama responded last week that Mr. McCain's experience didn't help
him make the right judgment on the war by supporting the invasion in
the first place.

Mr. McCain will wrap up the Republican nomination if he sweeps
primaries in Vermont, Rhode Island, Texas and Ohio today. Mrs.
Clinton, meanwhile, trails Mr. Obama in delegates needed to win the
Democratic nomination, and is looking for wins today to help her
regain momentum.

Mr. Rasmussen said part of the New York senator's strategy has been to
try to poke holes in Mr. Obama's veneer, and that has paid off in the
past few days by removing some of the shine.

That's the sort of challenge that Barack Obama is going to face —
he's got to convert that intangible into something when the questions
come, Mr. Rasmussen said.

But Mr. Obama brings more than just likability. Despite facing
candidates with far more experience in government, he was rated
smartest by 26 percent of those polled, more so than Mrs. Clinton, who
won 22 percent, and Mr. McCain, who garnered 17 percent. Mr. Huckabee,
a former Arkansas governor, was fourth with 10 percent.

Even among Democrats, Mr. Obama was rated smartest by nearly half — a
full 10 percentage points more than Mrs. Clinton.

Mr. Obama also was wildly popular among independents and third-party
members, 41 percent of whom rated him most likable.

The poll of 1,000 adults was taken Feb. 26 and 27, and found
independent candidate Ralph Nader trailed on every measure, coming in
below Rep. Ron Paul, Texas Republican, on likability, toughness on
national security and on smarts.

A plurality of those polled said they thought Mr. Nader's new
presidential bid will hurt Democrats most, with more than half of
self-identified Democrats thinking he will hurt their chances this
year.

In 2000, many Democrats blamed Mr. Nader's independent bid for
siphoning off votes from their candidate, Al Gore, helping then-Gov.
George W. Bush win the White House.

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Re: im married!!

2008-03-04 Thread Robert Munn
Awesome, congratulations Tony!

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 7:20 AM, Tony  wrote:

 hahahahaha, im the lucky one :)

 ok, www.flickr.com/photos/tonyweeg



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Slipped Disc

2008-03-04 Thread Stone, Lori
Does anyone on this list have experience with a slipped(herniated) disc.
I have a slipped disc in my neck.  What did you find was the best
treatment?  I HAVE to work so surgery is not an option at this point.
Heat doesn't help at all.  I can't stand narcotics.  Ultram helps more
than Advil but still makes me a little loopy.  Anyone have any ideas
that will help with the pain and still allow me to function.  I just
want something that I can recommend to my doctor.  They keep wanting to
give me Valium for the muscle spasms (have tried skelaxin and it did not
work at all).  I have also tried Relafen.  Any ideas?

Lori

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Resource for predicting flight delays at major airports

2008-03-04 Thread Aaron Bodell
A friend of mine has developed a site that predicts flight delays at most major 
airports, It's pretty accurate. Check it out when you get a minute.

http://www.delaycast.com

Let me know what you think.

Aaron Bodell 

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Re: Poll: Repubs Like Obama, McCain

2008-03-04 Thread Robert Munn
I don't think there is any real mystery here. He's a decent, honorable guy
in a dirty profession and people like that. I'd say I like him almost as
much as I like McCain. I'm still voting for McCain, though.

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Gruss G wrote:

 Republicans like Sen. Barack Obama nearly as much as they like their
 own likely presidential nominee, Sen. John McCain, according to a new
 Fox 5/The Washington Times/Rasmussen Reports poll.



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Re: The good stuff on Iraq

2008-03-04 Thread Dana
yeah -- there's a lot of volatility there though -- probably not a
safe investment.

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 11:24 AM, Robert Munn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 To put it in capitalist terms, we are investing our money in the future of
 Iraq, the future of the Middle East, and the future of the Muslim world.


 On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Gruss G wrote:

 
  (1.) Congress didn't declare war.
 
  (2.) We're not in conflict with the people of Iraq, nor it's
  leadership, nor do we want to take possession of any of their lands or
  resources.
 
  (3.) If war was declared, our President has cut taxes and told us to
  shop.  The only Americans taking part in the engagement are the
  military and other volunteer profiteers.
 
  (4.) Our military is currently engaged to provide security for a
  foreign government and foreign people.
 
  (5.) Our taxes are currently paying to rebuild another country's
  infrastructure.
 


 

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Re: Slipped Disc

2008-03-04 Thread Loathe
So, uh, are you hot?

Stone, Lori wrote:
 Does anyone on this list have experience with a slipped(herniated) disc.
 I have a slipped disc in my neck.  What did you find was the best
 treatment?  I HAVE to work so surgery is not an option at this point.
 Heat doesn't help at all.  I can't stand narcotics.  Ultram helps more
 than Advil but still makes me a little loopy.  Anyone have any ideas
 that will help with the pain and still allow me to function.  I just
 want something that I can recommend to my doctor.  They keep wanting to
 give me Valium for the muscle spasms (have tried skelaxin and it did not
 work at all).  I have also tried Relafen.  Any ideas?
 
 Lori
 
 

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Re: The good stuff on Iraq

2008-03-04 Thread Gruss Gott
 Dana wrote:
 yeah -- there's a lot of volatility there though -- probably not a
  safe investment.


The sale was not: hey, this is a great speculative investment, let's do it

It was: there's WMD and we know because we have this 3rd party data.

But fine, it is what is today.  Is the chance of success worth a
trillion or more?  What's the stop-loss?  What's the risk?

Bad investment.  Time to start the evacuation strategy.

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Re: The good stuff on Iraq

2008-03-04 Thread Loathe
And whats the risk vs. reward?

What do we lose in the long run if we were to pull out?

Seriously consider the ramifications of an Iraq that is nothing more 
than a satellite state of Iran.  One that operates training camps and 
exports terror freely.

I think the real problem is that we didn't finish the job the first time 
in 91.  Thats where all these problems today stem from.  We allowed the 
majority population of Iraq to revolt, and didn't give them the promised 
aid, ruining our relationship and sewing descent.

If we don't stay and get it stable now we will just have to keep going 
back as the years progress.

Dana wrote:
 yeah -- there's a lot of volatility there though -- probably not a
 safe investment.
 
 On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 11:24 AM, Robert Munn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 To put it in capitalist terms, we are investing our money in the future of
 Iraq, the future of the Middle East, and the future of the Muslim world.


 On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Gruss G wrote:

 (1.) Congress didn't declare war.

 (2.) We're not in conflict with the people of Iraq, nor it's
 leadership, nor do we want to take possession of any of their lands or
 resources.

 (3.) If war was declared, our President has cut taxes and told us to
 shop.  The only Americans taking part in the engagement are the
 military and other volunteer profiteers.

 (4.) Our military is currently engaged to provide security for a
 foreign government and foreign people.

 (5.) Our taxes are currently paying to rebuild another country's
 infrastructure.



 
 

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Re: Slipped Disc

2008-03-04 Thread William Bowen
Go to a Chiropractor that specializes in the Blair Method.

They focus on neck down issues. Basically if the bones in the neck are
properly aligned, the rest of the spine will take care of itself.

How long has your disc been herniated? are you sure it is a herniation
(confirmed with MRI, etc.)?


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Re: Slipped Disc

2008-03-04 Thread Robert Munn
My father-in-law is a surgeon and is originally from India. He had to stop
operating several years ago because a disc problem prevented him from having
100% use of his arm. US doctors recommended surgery, but he opted instead to
go to India and have treatments done at an Ayurvedic clinic. The treatment
was very successful. He didn't go back to surgery, but he regained use of
his arm.

I don't know much about Ayurveda, but it seems to have done the trick for
him.

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Stone, Lori  wrote:

 Does anyone on this list have experience with a slipped(herniated) disc.
 I have a slipped disc in my neck.  What did you find was the best
 treatment?  I HAVE to work so surgery is not an option at this point.
 Heat doesn't help at all.  I can't stand narcotics.  Ultram helps more
 than Advil but still makes me a little loopy.  Anyone have any ideas
 that will help with the pain and still allow me to function.  I just
 want something that I can recommend to my doctor.  They keep wanting to
 give me Valium for the muscle spasms (have tried skelaxin and it did not
 work at all).  I have also tried Relafen.  Any ideas?

 Lori



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Re: Slipped Disc

2008-03-04 Thread Loathe
tpiuwop

Stone, Lori wrote:
 of course :)
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 1:46 PM
 To: CF-Community
 Subject: Re: Slipped Disc
 
 So, uh, are you hot?
 
 Stone, Lori wrote:
 Does anyone on this list have experience with a slipped(herniated)
 disc.
 I have a slipped disc in my neck.  What did you find was the best
 treatment?  I HAVE to work so surgery is not an option at this point.
 Heat doesn't help at all.  I can't stand narcotics.  Ultram helps more
 than Advil but still makes me a little loopy.  Anyone have any ideas
 that will help with the pain and still allow me to function.  I just
 want something that I can recommend to my doctor.  They keep wanting
 to
 give me Valium for the muscle spasms (have tried skelaxin and it did
 not
 work at all).  I have also tried Relafen.  Any ideas?

 Lori


 
 
 
 

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Re: Slipped Disc

2008-03-04 Thread Crow T. Robot
haha.  somehow knew it would be you who asks the question on many of our
minds.

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Loathe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So, uh, are you hot?

 Stone, Lori wrote:
  Does anyone on this list have experience with a slipped(herniated) disc.
  I have a slipped disc in my neck.  What did you find was the best
  treatment?  I HAVE to work so surgery is not an option at this point.
  Heat doesn't help at all.  I can't stand narcotics.  Ultram helps more
  than Advil but still makes me a little loopy.  Anyone have any ideas
  that will help with the pain and still allow me to function.  I just
  want something that I can recommend to my doctor.  They keep wanting to
  give me Valium for the muscle spasms (have tried skelaxin and it did not
  work at all).  I have also tried Relafen.  Any ideas?
 
  Lori
 
 

 

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Re: Slipped Disc

2008-03-04 Thread William Bowen
more info here:

http://blairchiropractic.com/

:-)

HTH

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 10:49 AM, William Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Go to a Chiropractor that specializes in the Blair Method.

  They focus on neck down issues. Basically if the bones in the neck are
  properly aligned, the rest of the spine will take care of itself.

  How long has your disc been herniated? are you sure it is a herniation
  (confirmed with MRI, etc.)?


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  and that would just be unacceptable.
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RE: Slipped Disc

2008-03-04 Thread Stone, Lori
of course :)

-Original Message-
From: Loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 1:46 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Slipped Disc

So, uh, are you hot?

Stone, Lori wrote:
 Does anyone on this list have experience with a slipped(herniated)
disc.
 I have a slipped disc in my neck.  What did you find was the best
 treatment?  I HAVE to work so surgery is not an option at this point.
 Heat doesn't help at all.  I can't stand narcotics.  Ultram helps more
 than Advil but still makes me a little loopy.  Anyone have any ideas
 that will help with the pain and still allow me to function.  I just
 want something that I can recommend to my doctor.  They keep wanting
to
 give me Valium for the muscle spasms (have tried skelaxin and it did
not
 work at all).  I have also tried Relafen.  Any ideas?
 
 Lori
 
 



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Re: The good stuff on Iraq

2008-03-04 Thread Vivec
The information that we have now is that the US and the World would
have been at far less risk if Saddam had been left just where he was.

On 04/03/2008, Loathe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 And whats the risk vs. reward?

  What do we lose in the long run if we were to pull out?

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Re: Slipped Disc

2008-03-04 Thread Gruss Gott
 Lori wrote:
 Does anyone on this list have experience with a slipped(herniated) disc.
  I have a slipped disc in my neck.

I only know this exists so I can't speak for it and, full disclosure,
it's part of my company; but I'm simply pointing it out just because
I've heard good things but know nothing else:

myhealthyback.com

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RE: Slipped Disc

2008-03-04 Thread Stone, Lori
It has been since the middle of December.  Yes, it has been confirmed.
I will look into the Blair method.  Thanks!
Lori

-Original Message-
From: William Bowen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 1:49 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Slipped Disc

Go to a Chiropractor that specializes in the Blair Method.

They focus on neck down issues. Basically if the bones in the neck are
properly aligned, the rest of the spine will take care of itself.

How long has your disc been herniated? are you sure it is a herniation
(confirmed with MRI, etc.)?


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will

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and that would just be unacceptable.
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Re: Slipped Disc

2008-03-04 Thread Vivec
Oh.

I thought it was a joke asking if she was hot..because of heat pads
and creams for the neck :-\

Guess I was reading too much into it huh.

On 04/03/2008, Crow T. Robot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 haha.  somehow knew it would be you who asks the question on many of our
  minds.


  On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Loathe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   So, uh, are you hot?

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Re: The good stuff on Iraq

2008-03-04 Thread Robert Munn
That's wishful thinking, nothing more. By now, Saddam would have been free
of the UN sanctions and busily re-building his weapons arsenal. Remember the
plans for nukes that scientist had buried in his back yard? You think that
stuff would have just sat that for the rest of history?

We don't have any idea what Iraq or the Middle East would be like today if
Saddam had not been deposed.

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Vivec wrote:

 The information that we have now is that the US and the World would
 have been at far less risk if Saddam had been left just where he was.



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Re: The good stuff on Iraq

2008-03-04 Thread Robert Munn
Um, sat there, I mean...

You think that stuff would have just sat that for the rest of history?




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Re: The good stuff on Iraq

2008-03-04 Thread Loathe
We know this?

I don't know that statement to be true at all.

What I knew then was that he was acting like someone with something to 
hide, and was violating the cease fire left and right.  Willy nilly 
even. haha

I just can't even do this anymore.

You're from a tiny central American nation that doesn't have the 
national security issues we face just by our existence.  We've brought 
more good to the world as a nation in the past 200 years than any other 
nation in history.  Yet no matter what we do someone always has to 
complain about it.  We're not perfect and I know that.  I've ranted and 
railed against my government's policies; both foreign and domestic, time 
and again.  We make mistakes, in the end though we mean well.

It's fun to hate on America, even Americans love to take part in the 
sport.  The thing I don't hear from your side of these issues are offers 
of solutions.  What would if you were king for a day Gel?  I'm dying to 
hear it.

Vivec wrote:
 The information that we have now is that the US and the World would
 have been at far less risk if Saddam had been left just where he was.
 
 On 04/03/2008, Loathe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 And whats the risk vs. reward?

  What do we lose in the long run if we were to pull out?
 
 

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FW: Okay, that's it....I need HELP!

2008-03-04 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
Can't help but forward this one on for reading and advice -

http://www.stadiumwall.com/index.php?showtopic=80329

Excerpt:
Several months ago I re-adopted a 12 year old Bichon that had been
living with my parents for the last ten years. Granted, he's a frisky
little guy for being so long in the tooth, but never really seemed
like much of an issue. Anyway, my dog is a 5 year old standard poodle
(yes, go ahead and laugh...) that I fought for and won in my divorce.
I was pretty excited to bring the little dog over here cause then the
big dog would have a buddy, and they've gotten along really quite
well. The problem I'm experiencing is that they're getting along TOO
well as of late. I don't really know how to put this other than to
just come out with it - they take turns trying to [EMAIL PROTECTED] each other.

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Re: Slipped Disc

2008-03-04 Thread Loathe
You know I'm way more base in my thoughts than that man.

Join me down in the gutter, the weathers great :)

Vivec wrote:
 Oh.
 
 I thought it was a joke asking if she was hot..because of heat pads
 and creams for the neck :-\
 
 Guess I was reading too much into it huh.
 
 On 04/03/2008, Crow T. Robot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 haha.  somehow knew it would be you who asks the question on many of our
  minds.


  On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Loathe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   So, uh, are you hot?
 
 

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RE: Slipped Disc

2008-03-04 Thread Erika L. Walker
You're just so innocent ...


: -Original Message-
: From: Vivec 
: 
: Oh.
: 
: I thought it was a joke asking if she was hot..because of heat pads
: and creams for the neck :-\
: 
: Guess I was reading too much into it huh.



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Re: The good stuff on Iraq

2008-03-04 Thread Vivec
kill.
them.
all.

  \/
0_0
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[   ]

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What would if you were king for a day Gel?  I'm dying to
  hear it.

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Re: Slipped Disc

2008-03-04 Thread Gruss Gott
 RoMunn wrote:
  was very successful. He didn't go back to surgery, but he regained use of
  his arm.


Yeah, I've heard that 95% of all back surgery is not needed.

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