Re: cf-talk archive

[Michael Dinowitz]

I've been waiting for a whole list dump myself for the HoF archive.


> If anyone has the whole archive (or close to it) in a mail client like MS
> Outlook 2000 or Eudora Pro that can export mail messages to a database, I
> would love to get a full copy of the archive. I can't host it for public
> access, but I am more than willing to part with the source code for the
app.
> It's written for CF 4.01. It uses MSSQL Full-text indexing for keyword
> searches, so that part may not fly for everyone, but it should be fairly
> easy to modify the search routine if anyone is interested in hosting it
> themselves.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Rob Munn
>

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RE: banner ad weighting....

[Tom Forbes]

Good idea ... sort of like a look-up table.

Tom


At 03:40 PM 4/13/00, you wrote:
>There may be a much simpler way:
>
>For each ad, just have 1 field that specifies what % that ad should have.
>Whenever you add / edit an ad (maybe use a trigger), have it then fill in
>(or update)  2 more fields, call it N1 and N2, with the numbers from 0 to
>100 which represent that fraction they should get.. for example:
>
>
>Ad titlePercent N1 N2
>Ad1 20  0   20
>Ad2 50  20  70
>ad3 30  70  100
>
>Now just generate a random number , R, from 0 to 100.
>Look for the ad where  R is between N1 and N2
>   I did something like that, and the ads come out remarkably close to the
>predicted frequency!
>
>Al Musella
>World Wide Websites
>
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Re: CFFILE Woes

[Jim McAtee]

When you say "I try to print it out" do you mean display it on a web page
or print the file contents to a printer?  The file may inadvertently
contain control characters, possibly an end of file marker, which could
cause it to not print completely on a printer.  Removing control
characters from the file with a regular expression would probably fix the
problem.

If you knew that the fields will always be the same, and in the same
order, then you could just throw out the first line, and parse the file
contents yourself(most likely using CF list functions), rather than
bothering with using ODBC.  If you want to use your ODBC datasource, then
you could once again use a regular expression to replace spaces with
underscores in the first line's field names, then write the file back to
disk before making your query.

Jim


-Original Message-
From: Don Vawter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, April 13, 2000 8:16 PM
Subject: CFFILE Woes


>I receive a text file over which I have no control. It is an ascii
delimited
>file with column names in the
>first line. When I try to read it in using cffile:
>
>variable="inventory">
>
>
>it gives the proper length string but if I try to print it out it
truncates
>after about 350 characters. (No its not the cfa_dump tag it happens with
>cfoutput also)
>
>If I open it in studio and then save it (making no changes) and use
cffile
>again it comes in properly.
>
>Also if I create an ODBC datasource for the file and bring it in as a
query
>it comes in fine. The only problem with that is the owners of the
file
>have spaces in field names and I can't refer to them in CF (unless
>someone else can give me a hint on that).
>
>If this were a one time occurence I would just clean up the names in
studio
>and be done with it. Unfortunately it comes in daily.
>
>Any suggestions? TIA
>Don


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RE: Am I Missing Something?

[Byron M]

Basically that is correct, you could do it with vars stored in a db, but you
would still have to add some sort of id to the URL.

We started to put #session.URLToken# to the end of all URL's this variable
adds cfid=9394&cftoken=85904830 to the URL.

I just thought of this.  If you have session variables that are initialized
with each session in say an Application.cfm file and users have cookies
turned off then you are initializing session vars for every page hit for
that user, and the old ones have to wait to timeout.  So in actuality you
will be saving all so precious server resources by passing the id and token
to every page, which should in turn win you the admiration of your peers and
a huge raise because those processor and memory upgrade dollars could be
used elsewhere. :)


-Original Message-
From: Eric Dawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 11:38 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Am I Missing Something?


as far as I know the only way to pass a session from page to page is either
through a cookie or a url variable. If cookies are turned off you need to
manually code the CFID and CFTOKEN variables to the URL to ensure you pass
them from page to page.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Eric

From: Kelly Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED] '" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Am I Missing Something?
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:26:31 -0400

Ok I am somewhat new to CF but something doesn't seem to be right.
I have a section of our site that is secure, for members only. I
have written the app to write a cookie so they don't have to login in the
future. That part works fine.

Now I just wanted to see what happened if someone had cookies turned off,
and of course even you can log in but the minute you try to go to a 2nd page
it loops back to the log in.

Now before I implemented the cookies I did have session management on set to
about 30 minutes, which is still on, so people wouldnt have to relog in,
that worked fine. But with cookies off session management stops working too.
Does session management work only with cookies?

I tried something else, turned client management on, and used a database for
clientstorage, instead of the registry or cookies, just to test it out, but
that didn't keep them logged in either. I must be missing something but isnt
there a way to open and maintain a session without cookies? I changed
setclientcookies to "no" but as long as my browser cookies are off I still
can't get in.

Point is they get logged in and get to the first page after the login page
but if they try to go anywhere else they get kicked back to the login page,
which from the app.cfm below leads me to beleive its
not setting Session.Loggedin, and the only difference is that I turned my
browser cookies off.  Guess I just want to find out if Session.Loggedin HAS
to be set in a cookie or somewhere can i define it to be set a different
way. The client variables were however writing to the datasource with no
problem.

Any help would be appreciated.
Below is my Application.cfm
I have tried all 3 client storage methods.
and with setclientcookies on and off.




 

 




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RE: Input Field Problem

[Byron M]

In the action page, which looks like it is another form with hidden form
fields with the contents of the first form, you do not have CategoryID
defined probably.  In the first page try this...



#CategoryType#


If you have more than one category checked it will send something like this
to the next page.
Form.CategoryIDs = cat1,cat2,cat6,cat9   ... Use this list to dynamically
create your hidden form fields.




Then in your next page if you are using this form field you can check for
it's existance with...

Yes.. do this code
At this point I don't know what you want to do with this values but it
might do something like this...

lala..



Good Luck.

-Original Message-
From: Marco Gil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 12:14 AM
To: ColdFusion
Subject: Input Field Problem


Let me first say that I want to apologize for the previous two emails... I
had forgotten that default settings were for html emails... I have put it
all back to Plain Text... You can always count on the wife to screw up your
settings :)

My question was this:

I have been really struggling with trying to get the following code to work:



#CategoryType#


Although this code above works for this particular form, the input field
name "Category#CategoryTypeID#" is unusable on the following action form
where the value is actually used to insert data into the table. I have the
following on the subsequent insert action form:




However.. when doing that I get the following error:

Error resolving parameter CATEGORYTYPEID


ColdFusion was unable to determine the value of the parameter. This problem
is very likely due to the fact that either:

  1.. You have misspelled the parameter name, or
  2.. You have not specified a QUERY attribute for a CFOUTPUT, CFMAIL, or
CFTABLE tag.

If anyone here can help me resolve this I would greatly appreciate it...
Thanks!

Marco

P.S - Hope this email works this time around :) Really sorry.


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RE: intials or abbreviations

[Byron M]

Is the name all one variable. This should do it.







#Initials#

If the first and last names are in seperate fields do this


You can even use the UCase function to capitalize.

Byron
-Original Message-
From: Craig M. Rosenblum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 3:57 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: intials or abbreviations


is there any function to take a name and just grab the initials?


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RE: searching a database list

[Duane Boudreau]

Try QuotedValueList


 SELECT * FROM projects
WHERE category IN
(#PreserveSingleQuotes(QuotedValueList(FORM.SelectExpertise))#)


Not sure if you need the PreserveSingleQuotes or not. If this gives you a
problem try without

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-Original Message-
From: Michael Blair [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 11:05 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: searching a database list


Need some help on this one.  I have a select field ("expertise") that
folks can select multiple items from and then upon submittance are
submitted into the databaseThen there is a search form to search on these
database fields
This is my search:


 SELECT * FROM projects
WHERE category IN (#PreserveSingleQuotes(FORM.SelectExpertise)#)


This does not find an entry within the database such as ('internet', 'html',
'coldfusion')

I give the option for the users to select numerous options but unless
they select the exact same expertise entered into the database it
returns nothing.  If they are an expert in internet and that is within
their list I want that returned.  Is there a way to do this if the
database already has these fields are do you have to enter them each
individually into their own row?




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RE: Need some help w/ CF

[Byron M]

Is your ID field in the db a number, if so you don't need the single quotes
in the WHERE ID LIKE '#ID#', use WHERE ID = #ID#.

Byron

-Original Message-
From: Richard Ramos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 5:27 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Need some help w/ CF


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Thanks in advance for your help.

Richard

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Input Field Problem

[Marco Gil]

Let me first say that I want to apologize for the previous two emails... I
had forgotten that default settings were for html emails... I have put it
all back to Plain Text... You can always count on the wife to screw up your
settings :)

My question was this:

I have been really struggling with trying to get the following code to work:



#CategoryType#


Although this code above works for this particular form, the input field
name "Category#CategoryTypeID#" is unusable on the following action form
where the value is actually used to insert data into the table. I have the
following on the subsequent insert action form:




However.. when doing that I get the following error:

Error resolving parameter CATEGORYTYPEID


ColdFusion was unable to determine the value of the parameter. This problem
is very likely due to the fact that either:

  1.. You have misspelled the parameter name, or
  2.. You have not specified a QUERY attribute for a CFOUTPUT, CFMAIL, or
CFTABLE tag.

If anyone here can help me resolve this I would greatly appreciate it...
Thanks!

Marco

P.S - Hope this email works this time around :) Really sorry.

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RE: Searching Access Date Field

[Byron M]

I think the actual problem might lie in your Mortgage = 'yes' statement.
Try the code below.




SELECT EntryDate
FROM ChamberOrderInfo
WHERE Mortgage = 1  (is mortgage is a bit field? use this, if it is text
field with 'Yes' or 'No' (not usually the case) then do what you have
below.)
AND EntryDate = #CreateODBCDate(CurrentDate)#

BYron

-Original Message-
From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 10:01 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Searching Access Date Field


Before Y2K I changed all the databases to long date, now I am having
problems searching a date field. This is how I create the date


THis is how I search it
 Select ENTRYDATE
from ChamberOrderInfo
WHERE MORTGAGE = 'YES'
AND ENTRYDATE = #TO#

So if the date comes up with March 3, 2000 it shows no records, but there
are records there. Am I formatting the date wrong. Can anyone help. It's
driving me crazy.


Bob Everland

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Passing Input Field Name Impossible - Text Version Sorry :)

[Marco Gil]

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I apologize for the previous message with stationery... Here's my =
message :)

StationeryI have been really struggling with trying to get the following =
code to work:



#CategoryType#


Although this code above works for this particular form, the input field =
=3D
name "Category#CategoryTypeID#" is unusable on the following action form =
=3D
where the value is actually used to insert data into the table. I have =
=3D
the following on the subsequent insert action form:





However.. when doing that I get the following error:

Error resolving parameter CATEGORYTYPEID


ColdFusion was unable to determine the value of the parameter. This =
problem is very likely due to the fact that either:

  1.. You have misspelled the parameter name, or
  2.. You have not specified a QUERY attribute for a CFOUTPUT, CFMAIL, =
or CFTABLE tag.


If anyone here can help me resolve this I would greatly appreciate it... =
Thanks!

Marco





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Although this code =
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works for this particular form, the input field =3Dname=20
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the value is actually used to insert data into the table. I have =
=3Dthe=20
following on the subsequent insert action form:However..=20
when doing that I get the following error:Error resolving =
parameter=20
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of the=20
parameter. This problem is very likely due to the fact that=20
either:  1.. You have misspelled the parameter name, =
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2.. You have not specified a QUERY attribute for a CFOUTPUT, CFMAIL, or =
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RE: searching a database list

[Byron M]

I think this is what you have.  A field in your db that has the expertise in
a list.  If this is the case then utimately you want to design your DB
differently.  I would create another table with something like a UserID and
category, and then use a JOIN in your query.  But...

This might work in your case, or some variation...


 SELECT * FROM projects
WHERE 1=1

OR category LIKE #PreserveSingleQuotes(tmpVar)#



-Original Message-
From: Michael Blair [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 11:05 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: searching a database list


Need some help on this one.  I have a select field ("expertise") that
folks can select multiple items from and then upon submittance are
submitted into the databaseThen there is a search form to search on these
database fields
This is my search:


 SELECT * FROM projects
WHERE category IN (#PreserveSingleQuotes(FORM.SelectExpertise)#)


This does not find an entry within the database such as ('internet', 'html',
'coldfusion')

I give the option for the users to select numerous options but unless
they select the exact same expertise entered into the database it
returns nothing.  If they are an expert in internet and that is within
their list I want that returned.  Is there a way to do this if the
database already has these fields are do you have to enter them each
individually into their own row?




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Passing Input Field Name Impossible?

[Marco Gil]

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Custom StationeryI have been really struggling with trying to get the =
following code to work:



#CategoryType#


Although this code above works for this particular form, the input field =
name "Category#CategoryTypeID#" is unusable on the following action form =
where the value is actually used to insert data into the table. I have =
the following on the subsequent insert action form:





However.. when doing that I get the following error:

Error resolving parameter CATEGORYTYPEID=20


ColdFusion was unable to determine the value of the parameter. This =
problem is very likely due to the fact that either:=20

  1.. You have misspelled the parameter name, or=20
  2.. You have not specified a QUERY attribute for a CFOUTPUT, CFMAIL, =
or CFTABLE tag.


If anyone here can help me resolve this I would greatly appreciate it.. =
Thanks!

Marco



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Custom Stationery






I have been really struggling with trying to get the following code =
to=20
work:
 
#Categor=
yType#


 
Although this code above works for this particular form, the input =
field=20
name "Category#CategoryTypeID#" is unusable on the following action form =
where=20
the value is actually used to insert data into the table. I have the =
following=20
on the subsequent insert action form:
 
 


 
However.. when doing that I get the following error:
 
Error resolving parameter CATEGORYTYPEID=20

ColdFusion was unable to determine the value of the parameter. This =
problem=20
is very likely due to the fact that either:=20

  You have misspelled the parameter name, or=20
  You have not specified a QUERY attribute for a CFOUTPUT, CFMAIL, =
or=20
  CFTABLE tag.
 
 
If anyone here can help me resolve this I would greatly appreciate =
it..=20
Thanks!
 
Marco
 
 

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RE: Text Editors vs Site Editors Version 2

[Byron M]

I didn't mention that I type faster when I listen to music no matter what
kind of music it is.

Byron

-Original Message-
From: Craig M. Rosenblum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 11:47 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Text Editors vs Site Editors Version 2


Here's the deal, i'm so used to the keyboard mentality, that i just want to
quick in and out...

I do use other tools, to help with the database stuff like SQL Navigator 3,
Benthic's Golden32

I just like the olde KISS standard of not using tools that do or have more
than I really need.

When I first got started in CF, Studio just took up more memory and time to
learn, than just using a test editor to plug away and type and peck and hack
at the coding...

Now I'm not trying to say my approach is superior or meant for
everyone...But I have noticed a Conformist Attitude towards everyone wanting
to be a like

I really dont't care to do things the way everyone else does...

I like collecting little tools to do exactly and no more than what I need
them to do...I dislike the feeling that studio is to the coding, what
frontpage is to the web, a kludge application to help people do the code for
them...

I know that isn't true, but it feels like it...After having worked in Tech
Support, and so many people who use Front Page demanded results without
wanting to learn about how to get that results

This may be totally inaccurate as to why people use it...

CF Studio just feels like too much of a tool...I like simpler tools...

This isn't a competition, but I was majorly curious as to if I was alone or
not...in being a TextPad/ Text Editor user...

It looks like I am to some extant...and that's okay...

Are there any other tools people use other than studio for coding? like SQL
Helpers and so on?

Another trend I've noticed is that people who code like to listen to winamp
or other music over the internet while working

What do you do?


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RE: Text Editors vs Site Editors Version 2

[Byron M]

I think this is part of your mentallity in a different way, but I learned
HTML and CF using Studio.  While It does have all those fancy doodads
(buttons), I usually do most of my coding with the keyboard, even when I put
in Javascripting.  I personally think it is cool for accessing files and
looking at DB contents and helping with some of the typing with the tag
completion.  I just like anything that has a quick reference for things I
can't remember because I have too many other things on my mind like most
people.  I don't want to remember all the options for a body tag, to me that
would be scary.

But, I think I am one of those people that if I had started with something
like notepad, I would still be with it today.  Part of the journey is where
you start, the other is where you end, and often it is the same place.

Byron


-Original Message-
From: Craig M. Rosenblum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 11:47 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Text Editors vs Site Editors Version 2


Here's the deal, i'm so used to the keyboard mentality, that i just want to
quick in and out...

I do use other tools, to help with the database stuff like SQL Navigator 3,
Benthic's Golden32

I just like the olde KISS standard of not using tools that do or have more
than I really need.

When I first got started in CF, Studio just took up more memory and time to
learn, than just using a test editor to plug away and type and peck and hack
at the coding...

Now I'm not trying to say my approach is superior or meant for
everyone...But I have noticed a Conformist Attitude towards everyone wanting
to be a like

I really dont't care to do things the way everyone else does...

I like collecting little tools to do exactly and no more than what I need
them to do...I dislike the feeling that studio is to the coding, what
frontpage is to the web, a kludge application to help people do the code for
them...

I know that isn't true, but it feels like it...After having worked in Tech
Support, and so many people who use Front Page demanded results without
wanting to learn about how to get that results

This may be totally inaccurate as to why people use it...

CF Studio just feels like too much of a tool...I like simpler tools...

This isn't a competition, but I was majorly curious as to if I was alone or
not...in being a TextPad/ Text Editor user...

It looks like I am to some extant...and that's okay...

Are there any other tools people use other than studio for coding? like SQL
Helpers and so on?

Another trend I've noticed is that people who code like to listen to winamp
or other music over the internet while working

What do you do?


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Re: Am I Missing Something?

[Eric Dawson]

as far as I know the only way to pass a session from page to page is either 
through a cookie or a url variable. If cookies are turned off you need to 
manually code the CFID and CFTOKEN variables to the URL to ensure you pass 
them from page to page.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Eric

From: Kelly Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED] '" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Am I Missing Something?
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:26:31 -0400

Ok I am somewhat new to CF but something doesn't seem to be right.
I have a section of our site that is secure, for members only. I
have written the app to write a cookie so they don't have to login in the
future. That part works fine.

Now I just wanted to see what happened if someone had cookies turned off,
and of course even you can log in but the minute you try to go to a 2nd page
it loops back to the log in.

Now before I implemented the cookies I did have session management on set to
about 30 minutes, which is still on, so people wouldnt have to relog in,
that worked fine. But with cookies off session management stops working too.
Does session management work only with cookies?

I tried something else, turned client management on, and used a database for
clientstorage, instead of the registry or cookies, just to test it out, but
that didn't keep them logged in either. I must be missing something but isnt
there a way to open and maintain a session without cookies? I changed
setclientcookies to "no" but as long as my browser cookies are off I still
can't get in.

Point is they get logged in and get to the first page after the login page
but if they try to go anywhere else they get kicked back to the login page,
which from the app.cfm below leads me to beleive its
not setting Session.Loggedin, and the only difference is that I turned my
browser cookies off.  Guess I just want to find out if Session.Loggedin HAS
to be set in a cookie or somewhere can i define it to be set a different
way. The client variables were however writing to the datasource with no
problem.

Any help would be appreciated.
Below is my Application.cfm
I have tried all 3 client storage methods.
and with setclientcookies on and off.




 

 



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Re: Fusebox or not Fusebox that is the question...

[Philippe Varichon]

Philippe Varichon
Digizone Multimedia


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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:38:06 -0800

>> Only if you want to dictate how the world codes...
>> A methodology should fit the design standards and goals of a team/company
>> only.
>
>The bottom line here is that if Fusebox can be used, if it fits the needs
>for a project, then why not use it when it is the one standard that has some
>baseline of acceptance? This can only open the doors for further
>extensibility. If the method doesn't fit, then don't use it. But the fact
>that finding an agreed upon standard allows for more transfer between
>developers is certainly not a bad or bigoted thing, nor does it dictate that
>the world should code that way. On the other hand, if doing so will open
>doors for using the code elsewhere more readily, why not?
>
>If fusebox doesn't fit the need, don't use it! Or participate and help shape
>it to make it fit the need. Or use something in-house and reap the benefits.
>You just won't have the benefits of those apps easily plugging in with those
>using another internal methodology. Many of us like the idea that our apps
>will be more immediately understood and, more importantly, more reusable by
>choosing a coding method that has some number of users already.
>
>For those who are programming without any method, I'd definitely
>recommending either finding one or creating one. If one would like to be
>able to plug apps together, then fusebox represents one readily available
>standard that at least helps to that end. If compatibility with others isn't
>an issue, then why worry about it.
>
>The fact that each job has a different standard does not necessarily have to
>be the way. Companies might choose that route, but there is no reason that
>they MUST, as you imply. It could certainly be argued that choosing a
>mainstream methodology can be of great value to a company.
>
>c
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RE: Fusebox or not Fusebox that is the question...

[Byron M]

I think with errors it comes down to this.  It is basically a modular system
where you can reuses a lot of the code.  Thus if you are having problems
with a chunk of code fixing it once will fix all instances of the code.
Plus it is easier to read most fusebox code, because the files are usually
smaller in terms of the number of lines.  I think everyone can testify to
the working a 10 hour day and staring at a huge chunk of code and just not
figuring it out because there is too many other things on the page.  AACK!!

CF does such a good job of telling you where the code errors are that this
isn't a huge issue.  But there are those instances where it returns a
problem that isn't exactly where it says, so having smaller files helps you
find those errors quickly.

Basically I would say do whatever you feel comfortable with as long as it is
solid in theory you should do well. I certainly wouldn't change a whole
standard that works in your office to satisfy the masses. :)

Good Luck

Byron


-Original Message-
From: Grainne E. O'Neill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 9:46 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Fusebox or not Fusebox that is the question...


Byron,

I appreciate all of your comments.  I do not use Fusebox, but I use a
different framework that my team and I have developed.  I appreciate the
need for a framework, but I don't understand one thing that I always hear
about Fusebox.  Could you or anyone else tell me why putting things in
different files makes it easier to debug?  When people say this do they
mean, those little errors, like a misspelling, or do they mean larger more
difficult to find errors?  Anyway I look forward to hearing how many people
in this group also use Fusebox.

One more question... Does anyone use CFObjects?  That methodology looks very
interesting to me.


- Grainne


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RE: Cflocation inside of a cftransaction

[Byron M]

I would imagine so.  If all the queries inside the tag are not executed then
the records get rolled back.  See if you can use some more cftransaction's
to break up the code.

Byron

-Original Message-
From: Steve Weiner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 11:05 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Cflocation inside of a cftransaction


In one of my pages I have a few insert queries that I run inside of a
cftransaction.  Depending on the results I did have a cflocation tag to
redirect them to a outcome page.  They would get redirected fine, but the
insert queries would not run properly, as in they wouldn't write to the
table.  Is this because the cflocation has the ability to break a
cftransaction block

Thanks,
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RE: Best DataBase software?

[Byron M]

I think SQL server would be fine.  But I would however plan in the future
for a dedicated database server at the very least.  This should deal with
any types of performance issues as the db grows.

To deal with some of your replication issues I would recommend setting up a
portion of your site that is like an admin area where field personnell can
access and update certain information in real time.  Thus your other offices
will have the most up to date information as possible.

Byron

-Original Message-
From: James Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 8:05 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Best DataBase software?


Here is one for you all.

I am running a new site and the database is currently Access97.  The
conditions any prospective database must meet are as follows.

1) Fast (already 1/4 million records and growing fast, probably into the
10's of millions)
2) Replicable.  Sales staff in the field (World Wide) need to enter
information into a copy of the database on their laptops then dial into
their regional office and synchronise their data with our master, this must
be 2 way replication not just upload.
3) Internet Replication is desirable so we can synchronise the data with the
web server without needing to upload 50-200Mb files via FTP to synchronise
20kb worth of changes.

The web server is a Dell, dual PIII 600, 256Mb Ram, 32Gb Raid5 HDD,
redundant PSU etc... so the server is fast, the current access based system
runs queries in under 250ms.  We are thinking of upgrading to MS SQL Server,
but if there is a better option I want to know about it.

Any suggestions?

--
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searching a database list

[Michael Blair]

Need some help on this one.  I have a select field ("expertise") that
folks can select multiple items from and then upon submittance are
submitted into the databaseThen there is a search form to search on these
database fields
This is my search:


 SELECT * FROM projects
WHERE category IN (#PreserveSingleQuotes(FORM.SelectExpertise)#)


This does not find an entry within the database such as ('internet', 'html',
'coldfusion')

I give the option for the users to select numerous options but unless
they select the exact same expertise entered into the database it
returns nothing.  If they are an expert in internet and that is within
their list I want that returned.  Is there a way to do this if the
database already has these fields are do you have to enter them each
individually into their own row?



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RE: Hosting lag time

[Steve Pierce]

you wrote:
>>  now, if you're talking about collocation of equipment, location
>>  is a HUGE factor when you have to get up at 3 AM to go reboot a server.

Unless of course your hosting company provides you with remote control
reboot capabilities that don't require a tech. Then it is easy to reboot
your servers at 3AM. Still if your host is a 1,000 miles away, it does make
it a bit tougher to change out that defective memory chip. Look for hosting
companies that can also monitor your server and let you know when it there
is a problem and notify you via a pager or email. Some hosting companies can
even automatically reboot your servers for you after some interval you set
like 30 minutes or an hour. And then make sure techs are available late at
night if you need them to install a new drive or memory.

Good luck,

 - Steve

Steve Pierce, HDL
"Co-Location starting $99 per month, no setup fee"
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-Original Message-
From: Chris Meier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 3:28 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Hosting lag time


The location isnt as important as the available bandwidth.  Would you rather
host on "Joe's Bait Shop and Web Hosting", which is next door but only has a
single t-1, or on a company in another state with multiple OC3's?  now, if
you're talking about colocation of equipment, location is a HUGE factor when
you have to get up at 3 AM to go reboot a server.

-Original Message-
From: LetchfordDesign [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 1:19 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Hosting lag time


This probably is too basic a question to be asking such a high powered
group,  but here it goes anyway.

I am going to be moving a few web sites from a hosting company that is in
close proximity to my location and the location of the businesses that have
the web sites.

In my search for a new host (which will provide ColdFusion, naturally),  how
significant is the factor of where the servers are physically located?   The
businesses are all locally oriented and most of the site traffic is created
by clients in the local area (east coast in this example).   Is there any
advantage to having the hosting company close by or could a company on the
west coast provide service with little evidence of additional load time for
the sites?

In advance,  thanks for your thoughts!

Gary Letchford
Letchford Design
http://www.letchforddesign.com






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CFFILE Woes

[Don Vawter]

I receive a text file over which I have no control. It is an ascii delimited
file with column names in the
first line. When I try to read it in using cffile:




it gives the proper length string but if I try to print it out it truncates
after about 350 characters. (No its not the cfa_dump tag it happens with
cfoutput also)

If I open it in studio and then save it (making no changes) and use cffile
again it comes in properly.

Also if I create an ODBC datasource for the file and bring it in as a query
it comes in fine. The only problem with that is the owners of the file
have spaces in field names and I can't refer to them in CF (unless
someone else can give me a hint on that).

If this were a one time occurence I would just clean up the names in studio
and be done with it. Unfortunately it comes in daily.

Any suggestions? TIA
Don




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Re: Help with #'s

[Bud]

On 4/13/00, John Elder penned:
>Help!
>
>I output a list of values from a db like "לםמ"
>How do I escape the #'s so the browser renders them as is?
>
>I can't insert them into the db with double #'s, so I need to either
>replace one # with 2 ##'s or have CF Not evaluate the string.

Try inserting into the database like this:

ל

That will render as ל in a browser, or a text field.

In fact, when you insert ל into the database using:

#HTMLEditFormat(code)#

It will be inserted as ל.


Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations

_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
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Re: CF-Talk V1 #22

[Judith Dinowitz]

> The point of fusebox is... "what other set of standards"?

Uh ... I believe we've covered this on the CF Community list.  I can list at
least three. (Not advocating for any of them.)

Judith Dinowitz

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RE: Fusebox or not Fusebox that is the question...

[Bill Killillay]

Wow, thanks.  I guess I will just have to do like I do with everything else
and join up on that list and check it out.  Do you have the URL where I can
go to sign up.  From there I will just read and play and see what comes of
it.  Thanks again.

Bill

> -Original Message-
> From: Nick & Loretta Pioch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 4:11 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Fusebox or not Fusebox that is the question...
>
>
> Bill,
> You are totally right.  I think the biggest point to Fusebox is
> that its *A* standard.  How many people, groups, companies do you
> know that code without any or sparce standards?
>
> Why does it have to be Fusebox?  It doesn't...but if you don't
> have a standard of your own, why re-invent the wheel when there's
> a pretty big Fusebox audience out there to utilize and
> learn from?  Depending on how big your project/company is (or how
> fast you need your project done), I'd say Fusebox isn't a bad way
> to go...the list of people who use Fusebox seems to
> keep growing and growing, that it's not that hard to imagine
> putting out a job posting with Fusebox as a prerequisit (or a
> "big plus").  So you could hire someone in who already knows
> YOUR standard.
>
> What is Fusebox?  It's a standard used by many Cold Fusion
> developers.  It's a standard that allows you to easily separate
> out different functions of your application so that they are
> completely independent of the others...so programmer 1 can take
> this part of the app and develop it... programmer 2 can take that
> part and develop it...etc...without needing to know
> how the others are doing it.  All they need to know is the list
> of fuses (actions).
>
> Why should you use it?  If you have your own set of standards,
> GREAT! I'd argue there are lots of people/companies out there
> that DON'T but need to.  But if you're looking for a
> standard that many other people know/understand, and one that
> allows easy independent-segmenting of your application, then
> Fusebox is worth looking into / trying out.
>
> Current documentation available *is* a little convoluted, and you
> need to do a small app yourself to really understand/get into the
> flow of Fusebox.  Currently, on the Fusebox list,
> we are looking into ways of making the learning process of
> Fusebox much simpler and easier to understand.
>
> Hope this helps!
> -- Loretta Pioch
>
> Bill Killillay wrote:
>
> > Can't all of that be done by establishing standards for a project or all
> > projects.  Why does it have to be Fusebox?  I have been looking
> at Fusebox
> > and I guess that I am a bit confused as to what it is and why I
> should use
> > it over some other set of standards?
>
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Am I Missing Something?

[Kelly Matthews]

Ok I am somewhat new to CF but something doesn't seem to be right.
I have a section of our site that is secure, for members only. I
have written the app to write a cookie so they don't have to login in the
future. That part works fine. 

Now I just wanted to see what happened if someone had cookies turned off,
and of course even you can log in but the minute you try to go to a 2nd page
it loops back to the log in.  

Now before I implemented the cookies I did have session management on set to
about 30 minutes, which is still on, so people wouldnt have to relog in,
that worked fine. But with cookies off session management stops working too.
Does session management work only with cookies? 

I tried something else, turned client management on, and used a database for
clientstorage, instead of the registry or cookies, just to test it out, but
that didn't keep them logged in either. I must be missing something but isnt
there a way to open and maintain a session without cookies? I changed
setclientcookies to "no" but as long as my browser cookies are off I still
can't get in.

Point is they get logged in and get to the first page after the login page
but if they try to go anywhere else they get kicked back to the login page,
which from the app.cfm below leads me to beleive its
not setting Session.Loggedin, and the only difference is that I turned my
browser cookies off.  Guess I just want to find out if Session.Loggedin HAS
to be set in a cookie or somewhere can i define it to be set a different
way. The client variables were however writing to the datasource with no
problem.

Any help would be appreciated.
Below is my Application.cfm
I have tried all 3 client storage methods.
and with setclientcookies on and off.


   







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Re: Fusebox or not Fusebox that is the question...

[Will]

Actually, I'm not becoming bigotted. As a matter of fact, I never once
mentioned fusebox in my email. I've never even used fusebox. I've read the
docs but havent had time to get away from my workload to learn it or try to
put it to use so I don't know if I'll like it or hate it yet. All I was
saying is that the point of coming up with a standard methodology is for the
reuse and sharing of code and what not. Sort of like browser standards that
are ignored by IE and Netscape to the point that we have lovely browser
incompatibilities. Not that the way you code CF will ever come to that level
of incompatibility (at least I hope not). Maybe soem osrt of broad, general
methodology that everyone used and built upon would be nice. Anyway, for the
most part I'm only theorizing. I've never worked anywhere that had any
coding standards. I'm the only web developer, designer, programmer at my
company and I'm the one who convinced "the boss" to buy CF and put it on our
servers. (Now if I can only convince him to pay for my training). So I guess
if anything, my method is our company methodology... now I just need to come
up with my own personal standard :)

-Will

- Original Message -
From: "Pecora, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 2:08 PM
Subject: RE: Fusebox or not Fusebox that is the question...


> Only if you want to dictate how the world codes...
> A methodology should fit the design standards and goals of a team/company
> only.
>
> As discussed in numerous threads onthis list - not every methodology fits
> every need. And indeed, specificially FUSEBOX doesn't NOT fit everyones
> needs - so for you to assume that a standard methology should be
implemented
> throughout the CF community is quite presumptious.
>
> Each firm that I have worked for implements their own coding standards -
and
> Yes I need to learn a new standard each time I change jobs, but each job
has
> different goals...it can be no other way.
>
> I know there are a lot of FUSEBOX proponents out there - but let's not
cross
> teh line and become bigots..
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: William James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 1:19 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Fusebox or not Fusebox that is the question...
>
>
> But the point of a standard methodology is that its consistent throughout
> the team AND outside of it. If you or one of your team left and went to
> another company you might have to learn a whole new methodology and throw
> out a lot of what you'd been using for years. With a standard, you would
be
> using the same methodology from one place to another and the same for
> sharing fuses, etc. If it uses a different scheme than someone else, it
> kills the reusability and shareability across companies/teams/etc. But I
> guess a mini-methodology is better than none ;)
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Pecora, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 9:19 AM
> Subject: RE: Fusebox or not Fusebox that is the question...
>
>
> > Bill - you are correct - FUSEBOX is just a methodology, any standarized
> > methodology throughout a team environment will do the same thing. As for
> > compartmentalizing the code for ease of debugging in the team..that can
be
> > part of your standard and not necessarily fe fusebox.
> >
> > Personally I use a method that is similar to fusebox in some way and
> > diferent in other ways..
> > I suppose it's the consistancy throughout the team that makes a standard
> > usefull..
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Bill Killillay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 10:20 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: Fusebox or not Fusebox that is the question...
> >
> >
> > Can't all of that be done by establishing standards for a project or all
> > projects.  Why does it have to be Fusebox?  I have been looking at
Fusebox
> > and I guess that I am a bit confused as to what it is and why I should
use
> > it over some other set of standards?
> >
> > FWIW
> > Bill Killillay
> > ICQ @ 8425781
> >
> > Emily B. Kim Wrote:
> > > when you're working in a team environment, isolating pages makes them
> > > easier to debug and also easier to reuse. for instance, we were
working
> on
> > > an app and people were doing different parts of the app. the client
made
> a
> > > change to the db and threw off one part of the appa part i didn't
> work
> > > on. but i was able to fix it in 5 minutes 'cause i knew what the
> > > fuseaction
> > > was and that it was a query error so i just opened the query
associated
> > > with that fuseaction, and BINGO! it was fixed. i didn't even have to
> look
> > > at the rest of the code for that piece of the app.
> > >
> > > also, if you have a query that can be re-used - for instance to
populate
> a
> > > table in one page and then a select drop down box in another page - it
> is
> > > easier to ju

Re: Configuring CF for Extensions Other Than .CFM and .CFML ?

[Brian Mitter]

This is done through your Server configuration (IIS,Apache, whatever...) as
opposed to your ColdFusion configuration. Have a chat with your server admin
about these mappings, he should know what to do.
 Cheers
Brian

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Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 10:03 PM
Subject: Configuring CF for Extensions Other Than .CFM and .CFML ?


> Can ColdFusion be configured to process files with extensions other than
> .CFM and .CFML?
>
> If so, how can new file extensions be added?
>
>
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Re: Fusebox or not Fusebox that is the question...

[Chris Lott]

> Only if you want to dictate how the world codes...
> A methodology should fit the design standards and goals of a team/company
> only.

The bottom line here is that if Fusebox can be used, if it fits the needs
for a project, then why not use it when it is the one standard that has some
baseline of acceptance? This can only open the doors for further
extensibility. If the method doesn't fit, then don't use it. But the fact
that finding an agreed upon standard allows for more transfer between
developers is certainly not a bad or bigoted thing, nor does it dictate that
the world should code that way. On the other hand, if doing so will open
doors for using the code elsewhere more readily, why not?

If fusebox doesn't fit the need, don't use it! Or participate and help shape
it to make it fit the need. Or use something in-house and reap the benefits.
You just won't have the benefits of those apps easily plugging in with those
using another internal methodology. Many of us like the idea that our apps
will be more immediately understood and, more importantly, more reusable by
choosing a coding method that has some number of users already.

For those who are programming without any method, I'd definitely
recommending either finding one or creating one. If one would like to be
able to plug apps together, then fusebox represents one readily available
standard that at least helps to that end. If compatibility with others isn't
an issue, then why worry about it.

The fact that each job has a different standard does not necessarily have to
be the way. Companies might choose that route, but there is no reason that
they MUST, as you imply. It could certainly be argued that choosing a
mainstream methodology can be of great value to a company.

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Re: WebHosting

[Chris Lott]

I had some problems with them so bad that lawyers had to come out! I stay,
and tell everyone I know to stay, as far away from them as possible.
Terrible service, terrible uptimes, behavior that was either a serious case
of internal miscommunication or attempts at outright bilking of customers...

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Re: Fusebox or not Fusebox that is the question...

[Chris Lott]

> Can't all of that be done by establishing standards for a project or all
> projects.  Why does it have to be Fusebox?  I have been looking at Fusebox
> and I guess that I am a bit confused as to what it is and why I should use
> it over some other set of standards?

Which other set?

In addition to that, the more people using a standard the more likely it is
to be helpful across development efforts. OF course, any standard will work
to help achieve the same ends as fusebox within a particular development
effort, project, or company. But the real strength of finding some common
standard (and if something about it doesn't work for you, explain what it is
and get something in the spec that will!) is when you start moving apps
between developers, companies, etc. A fusebox app will easily plug into
another fusebox app without many problems. Another methodology may achieve
everything else, but when you decide to plug your calendar into John's
client management app, the fact that you both used your own internal
methodology won't matter a whit.

Which isn't to say that Fusebox is perfect, but it is actively evolving, has
a good recognition in the community, etc. If you can use it, why not? If you
can't, is it something that could be worked into the spec?

And if the anwer to that last question is NO, then no harm, no foul, right?
It's certainly something worth considering...

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CFSchedule Question

[Dave Hannum]

I've used the scheduler in CF Administrator with a great deal of success (yes, I know 
that it does not work for some).  However, I
have never used CFSchedule.  My question is, can you use this tag in lieu of setting 
up a scheduled run in Administrator.  I guess
I'm asking, can you use this tag when you don't have access to the Administrator -  
like on an ISP?  Is that the purpose of this
tag???  Or does it have to be set up there too? - at which I'd have to ask, then what 
good is the tag . . .

Thanks,
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RE: CF and COM example

[Leong Yew]

Here are a couple of examples using CF to create an instance of Server
Object's ASPMail.

I've been working on this piece of code lately using  and CF 4.5's
new function, CreateObject.



Mailer = CreateObject ("COM", "SMTPsvg.Mailer");
Mailer.FromName = "Leong Yew";
Mailer.FromAddress = "[EMAIL PROTECTED]";
Mailer.RemoteHost = "mail.netinfiniti.com";
Mailer.Subject = "CF-ASPMail Test";
Mailer.BodyText = "Dear so and so," & chr(10) & "This really works!!";
Mailer.AddRecipient ("Myself", "[EMAIL PROTECTED]");
Mailer.AddExtraHeader ("X-mailer: Mailserver 1.0 Beta");
Mailer.AddExtraHeader ("X-AdminNotice: If you suspect that this message has
violated netiquette please forward it to [EMAIL PROTECTED]");
Result = Mailer.Sendmail();
WriteOutput ("Email Sending Results = " & Result);



Or you could use the  tag:











Email Sending Results = #Result#

Hope this helps.

Leong Yew

-Original Message-
From: Ben Lowndes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 12:32 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CF and COM example


Hi,

I'm interested in using CF with COM. I've got advanced CF application
development by ben forta which has an interesting chapter. I've tried
following his examples, unfortunatly the COM object he uses as an example is
no longer availible and it's not on the accompanying CD..

So I'm a bit stuck and am looking for a really basic example of COM with CF,
just something so I can test and see it working  on a remote (non web) NT
Server.

Anyone able to help?

Thanks
Ben.


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Re: Weird Frames Problem

[Eron Cohen]

Sorry, nevermind.  I found the problem.  There was a clear pixel image being
refrenced in the Application.CFM file that was preventing the frames from
activating properly.

Sorry to waste bandwidth.

Eron
- Original Message -
From: Eron Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 7:54 PM
Subject: Weird Frames Problem


> Hi Folks,
>
> I am having the strangest problem, and I can't figure out how to
> troubleshoot it.
> If I name the page "test.HTM", the frames work fine and I see the HTML in
> the frames as expected.  But if I name it "test.CFM" then all I get is a
> blank page (and if I do a VIEWSOURCE I actually SEE the frames HTML code
as
> shown below.)
>
> This is the frameset itself:, aside from renaming the file from .HTM to
.CFM
> nothing else changes.
>
> 
> 
> Guide
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> 
> 
>

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Weird Frames Problem

[Eron Cohen]

Hi Folks,

I am having the strangest problem, and I can't figure out how to
troubleshoot it.
If I name the page "test.HTM", the frames work fine and I see the HTML in
the frames as expected.  But if I name it "test.CFM" then all I get is a
blank page (and if I do a VIEWSOURCE I actually SEE the frames HTML code as
shown below.)

This is the frameset itself:, aside from renaming the file from .HTM to .CFM
nothing else changes.



Guide








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RE: Text Editors vs Site Editors

[Lauchlan Mackinon]

> > Obviously you've never received 80-90 marked up pages done by professional
> > designers in Dreamweaver. Dreamweaver most certainly does produce "messy"
> > code. If you'd like, I'll be happy to send you a sample


And I'm sure you could get messy HTML produced with notepad. Are you 
criticizing the tool or its users?

Cheers,

Lauchlan M.

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(event) CFSeattle.org: Wireless ColdFusion

[Ryan Hill]

Topic:  Wireless Application Protocol (WAP) & CF
Ian Lurie, founder of Portent Interactive, will demonstrate a simple 
WAP/ColdFusion application.

Anyone interested in ColdFusion and the future of the wireless Web should 
attend.  Please invite your friends and coworkers, for 1st time guests are 
free.

Date:  Tuesday, April 18th

Program Timetable:
6:30-6:40 New Business, Elections
6:40-7:20 Presentation
7:20-7:30 Open Q&A

Location:
Boeing Auditorium, in the Seafirst Executive Education Center (SEEC) on the 
UW main campus (directions below)

To register just email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Please put RSVP in the subject line.


Directions:

Boeing Auditorium, in the Seafirst Executive Education Center(SEEC) on the 
UW main campus.

 >From I-5 north or south, take the NE 45th St exit. Go east about a mile 
and a half on NE45th St to 17th Ave NE. Enter through Gate Number 2 at 17th 
Ave NE. After the guard post, take your first left onto Stevens Way and 
park in the lot on your left(N5). The SEEC is across the street to the left 
as you walk out of the lot. Boeing Auditorium is around the right side of 
the building -- Follow the signs.

 >From 520, take the Montlake Blvd exit and follow Montlake Blvd north to 
entrance to UW through Gate Number 3. After the guard post, go straight to 
Stevens Way, turn right, and follow Stevens Way to parking lot N5 (on your 
right). The SEEC is across the street to the left as you walk out of the 
lot. Boeing Auditorium is around the right side of the building -- follow 
the signs.

Parking on campus is $2.50. (Parking off campus is FREE!)

For further info and directions, see the campus map at
http://www.washington.edu/home/maps/northcentral.html.
The SEEC building is in coordinate M5. 
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Re: Query Caching

[Sharon DiOrio]

Well, I don't know what kind of "waste of resources" you're talking about
because caching uses RAM whether you use SESSION scope, APPLICATION scope
or cachedwithin.  Also the original poster asked specifically about saving
a query specific to a single user session.  Saving the query to application
scope makes sense when the same query needs to be available to all users.
But when the query is specific to an individual, you can save it to session
scope.

Also, a limitation of using cachedwithin is that the query may be cached
many times by different users (because the query would be different for
different users and the caching is based on the actual SQL performed.)  I
prefer having complete control over what is cached and when, rather than
relying on the server to clean out "old" queries.

Sharon


At 01:20 PM 4/13/2000 -0500, Fred Sanders wrote:
>I agree with Judah plus it would seem a waste of resources, why not the
>Application scope instead? That would make more sense to me. also use the
>cachedwithin="()" setting in the query.
>
>
>Fred T. Sanders
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>
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>The soothing sound of a gentle waterfall fills the air with a cascading
>serenity.
>The water is clear.
>You can easily make out the face of the person you are holding underwater.
>
>Feeling better?
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Judah McAuley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 11:25 AM
>Subject: Re: Query Caching
>
>
>> At 11:23 AM 4/13/00 -0400, you wrote:
>> >Yes.  You can save the query to SESSION scope.
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> > 
>> > SQL STUFF
>> > 
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> >HTH!
>> >Sharon
>>
>> One problem I worry about with this:  Session variables are frequently
>> stored in the Registry on NT machines, yes?  So if you had a very large
>> query, or quite a few users, you are potentially packing a lot of info
>into
>> the registry.  Perhaps unwise.
>>
>> Judah
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RE: CF and COM

[Gregory Weiss]

We are in the VERY beginning stages of development, so I couldn't begin to
give you that information.  We really were interested right now at learning
specifically how to integrate COM and objects into Cold Fusion.  We've been
messing around fairly successfully with some standard VB and C++ objects
that we currently utilize in some of our ASP applications.  It seems so far
that the integration and application is working well.  As we go further, and
I learn more, I will post more information about code samples, and COM/CF
sources to the listserv.  In the mean time, GET BEN FORTA'S BOOK!!  Advanced
Cold Fusion development, and check out the following web sites:

http://www.katungroup.com/coldfusionlinks2.htm
http://www.katungroup.com/spectra.htm

and 

http://www.intrafoundation.com/ has some fine examples with source code in
C++

My guess is that this going to continue to be a VERY HOT TOPIC (especially
with DCOM and now Windows 2000 COM+ model) in the future.

Good luck,

Greg

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From: shannon hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 3:16 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: CF and COM


We are getting ready to start COM development as well, are you using VB 6.0
for language?  If so what type of archetecture are you using for
impleementing your objects, and resources for developing them?

-Original Message-
From: Gregory Weiss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 9:17 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: CF and COM


I was wondering if anyone knows of any good resources for using COM and Cold
Fusion together, either with Studio/Server 4.0 and above, or with the
Spectra system (I don't know much about Spectra other than it uses its own
object-model (cfa_containters) so I don't know if I am asking an intelligent
question in this regard.)

Thanks in advance for your help guys.

Gregory L. Weiss
Web Development Project Leader
Trapezoid, Inc.
 4107 Laguna Street
Coral Gables, Florida 33146
(305) 442-8060 x230
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Studio 4.5.1 Update - Server too?

[Chris Montgomery]

I recently installed the 4.5.1 update for Studio. Does this also update
the single-user version of the Enterprise server that comes bundled with
Studio, or do I need to also download and install it separately? If so,
would downloading and installing the 4.5.1 Enterprise Server update be
the right choice? I couldn't locate an update just for the single-user
version of CF server.

Thanks,

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RE: Is 4.5.1 Solid

[Peter Tilbrook]

It broke the CFX_Doc2HTML tag we needed for a clients site so I had to go
back to 4.01 on our production server. Real pain!

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, 13 April 2000 4:21 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: RE: Is 4.5.1 Solid


> If this AOL/CF 4.5 problem is truly a problem between CF 4.5
> and AOL and Allaire has admitted it, please post a URL so that
> I may eat my words. If I'm wrong, I'm definitely curious as to
> the technical details on this.

I believe the cause of the problem might be with the use of the
Page-Completion-Status header that CF 4.5 added to page output. CF 4.5
inserted this header - sometimes several times - at the bottom of each
response header returned by certain web servers. Here's an example:

hdr>Page-Completion-Status: Normal
hdr>Page-Completion-Status: Normal
hdr>Page-Completion-Status: Normal

I noticed that, from certain web servers and using certain browsers
together, this occasionally broke the browser's ability to display the page.
I think it might have to do with the order of the response headers, or
perhaps with an invalid character sequence separating those headers.

Now, if this is the case, it's not technically Allaire's fault, since
they're abiding with the letter of the law as far as returning headers.
However, it would have been nice if that had been tested more in the real
world.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
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Re: HostPro

[Sean Renet]

They used to rock.  With in the last year however Customer Service and Tech
Support are pretty lame.  You generally have to read from Ben's book to the
Tech guys.  However as previously stated they are always up and running.
- Original Message -
From: "Tim Bahlke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CFTalk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 6:44 AM
Subject: HostPro


> Anybody out there ever use HostPro for hosting or hear anything good or
bad
> about them?
>
> 
> Tim Bahlke
> Graphica
> www.thinkcreate.com
>
>
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RE: HostPro

[david]

In the past we used Hostpro, Interland, Netnation, 9netave.

Three years ago we moved all of our sites to www.intermedia.net.

No major problems to speak of.  intermedia give us total Control of our
server. Instantly add and delete ODBC sources, set security privileges,
configure Cybercash, manage email accounts, shut down or restart the server.


david

-Original Message-
From: Jonathan Fisher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 12:05 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: HostPro


Hostprowow.

I first hosted with them about 2 years ago and was hooked immediately. Fast
and efficient response from tech support at all hours of the day and night.
Over the past week though, I've had serious problems. 2 domains that I was
involved in setting up on there took forever. First there was a long delay
before receiving confirmation and login information. Second, in both cases
any attempt to run Cold Fusion files produced a Server Application Error. In
both cases I had to call tech support MANY times to get it fixed - it took a
full day in one case and 2 days in the other, and this involved calling many
times per day, with the average waiting on hold time being about 15 minutes
before getting through to anyone, and in a couple cases being a full 1/2
hour before I had to just hang up because I couldn't wait any longer.
Getting SQL server support  enabled was another protracted process(they
didn't automatically enable it even though it was included in the package, I
had to email and call repeatedly asking them to do it), taking several days
despite repeated emails and phone calls.

What is all comes down to is it took a full week to get these sites set up,
where it used to take only a day or 2 at the extreme. I don't know what's
happened, maybe they're growing too big too fast, but the service is pretty
bad right now. If you're putting up a job for a client, make sure you've got
a full week lead time before they expect to see it on the netyou can't
imagine what it's like having to face the people that you assured in all
confidence that they could go ahead with their promotional activities
because the site would be live in a couple days at the latest and tell them
that the hosting firm YOU RECOMMENDED AND ENDORSED AS THEIR BEST AND MOST
RELIABLE OPTION was all of a sudden inefficient and unresponsive. It also
doesn't earn you favor in the eyes of your boss either. It's not an
experience I ever wish to relive.

Will I continue to host with them? Yes, because they're always up, and I'm
sure that now that everything's working it'll stay working. But from now on,
anything that has to be up in less than 10 days time will be hosted
somewhere else.

Has anyone else experienced similar troubles with HostPro recently? And can
someone recommend a good alternative that I can use in a pinch till they get
themselves back into shape?

Thanks,

J


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From: Double Down, Inc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, April 14, 2000 2:04 AM
Subject: RE: HostPro


>I use them for co-location.  Not happy with customer service, but they are
>always up and running
>
>
>
>DDINC
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Tim Bahlke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 6:44 AM
>To: CFTalk
>Subject: HostPro
>
>Anybody out there ever use HostPro for hosting or hear anything good or bad
>about them?
>
>
>Tim Bahlke
>Graphica
>www.thinkcreate.com
>
>
>
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RE: Flash and Cold Fusion

[Andy Edmonds]

I wrote up the basics for a CFUG, you can find it on http://www.figleaf.com
in the CFUG:Meeting Notes section for February.

You'll also find a nice tutorial at http://www.flashlite.net in continuing
education.

And, if you want to buy a book, there's an application focused color glossy
called Flash 4 Magic.

--Andy Edmonds, FigLeaf Software, Atlanta
Allaire Certified Instructor



Seems like I saw some posts earlier  about integrating Flash with Cold
Fusion,
but can't find anything. Does anybody know of resources that cover passing
variables out of Flash and into Cold Fusion and vice versa?
Thanks
Joel

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cf-talk archive

[Robert Munn]

I've seen a few threads on the CF-Talk list about creating a Web-based app 
to archive the CF-Talk list. It so happens that I did just that a couple of 
weeks ago. I built a scheduled task to retrieve, parse, thread, and insert 
the messages from the list into a database. I also built a little engine to 
browse the resulting archive. My only problem is that I don't have the full 
archive of the list, I only have what I have collected in the recent past.

If anyone has the whole archive (or close to it) in a mail client like MS 
Outlook 2000 or Eudora Pro that can export mail messages to a database, I 
would love to get a full copy of the archive. I can't host it for public 
access, but I am more than willing to part with the source code for the app. 
It's written for CF 4.01. It uses MSSQL Full-text indexing for keyword 
searches, so that part may not fly for everyone, but it should be fairly 
easy to modify the search routine if anyone is interested in hosting it 
themselves.

Thanks in advance.

Rob Munn
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CFLDAP: No Such Object error... help!

[Reuben King]

I try to execute this code:


and get:

Error Diagnostic Information
CFLDAP

No such object

The error occurred while processing an element with a general identifier 
of (CFLDAP), occupying document position (15:2) to (20:34) in the 
template file D:\Web Root\rking\ldap_test\ldap_test.cfm.




If I replace "server" with "ldap.bigfoot.com", it works fine.  
sc-mail.sbti.com IS an ldap server and it works fine as a directory 
service in Outlook.  What could be the problem?

Appreciation in advance for any advice!
-R
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Re: Flash and Cold Fusion

[Brook Davies]

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It's pretty simple really, just take a look at the Macromedia tech note 
relating to communicating with a cgi script and substitute your cf template 
for the cgi.

You can also use cf to generate a text file that can be read by Flash. I do 
this to allow a client to edit the questions and answers in a flash quiz 
game. They access a cf template which allows them to specify a question and 
answer for up to ten questions and then a text file is generated. The text 
file is then read by flash.



At 01:05 PM 13/04/00 -0600, you wrote:
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>
>
>Seems like I saw some posts earlier  about integrating Flash with Cold Fusion,
>but can't find anything. Does anybody know of resources that cover passing
>variables out of Flash and into Cold Fusion and vice versa?
>Thanks
>Joel
>
>Joel Richards
>Web Developer
>Brainstorm Industries
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
>Seems like I saw some posts earlier  about integrating Flash with Cold 
>Fusion, but can't find anything. Does anybody know of resources that cover 
>passing variables out of Flash and into Cold Fusion and vice versa?
>Thanks
>Joel
>
>Joel Richards
>Web Developer
>Brainstorm Industries
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It's pretty simple really, just take a look at the Macromedia tech note
relating to communicating with a cgi script and substitute your cf
template for the cgi.

You can also use cf to generate a text file that can be read by Flash. I
do this to allow a client to edit the questions and answers in a flash
quiz game. They access a cf template which allows them to specify a
question and answer for up to ten questions and then a text file is
generated. The text file is then read by flash.



At 01:05 PM 13/04/00 -0600, you wrote:
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Seems like I saw some posts earlier  about integrating Flash with
Cold Fusion,
but can't find anything. Does anybody know of resources that cover
passing
variables out of Flash and into Cold Fusion and vice versa?
Thanks
Joel

Joel Richards
Web Developer
Brainstorm Industries
http://www.brainstormin.net/>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Seems like I saw some posts earlier  about integrating Flash with
Cold Fusion, but can't find anything. Does anybody know of resources that
cover passing variables out of Flash and into Cold Fusion and vice
versa?
Thanks
Joel

Joel Richards
Web Developer
Brainstorm Industries
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RE: Scriptable Advanced Security Administration

[Bob Hendren]

My take on this description is basically anything you can do manually
through the Advanced Security interface of the CF Administrator can now also
be done through CF scripts (static/dynamic/both?).  I've only worked in a
limited fashion with the Advanced Security features, but the idea that I
could control those features without having to configure each rule or policy
individually by hand intrigues me.  Is there any other good source that may
know of what we speak?  Thanks.

-
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E-Commerce - Internetworking - Information Systems
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-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 5:37 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Scriptable Advanced Security Administration


> Has anyone seen any info regarding the new feature in CF 4.5 which is
> described as "Scriptable Advanced Security Administration" in
> the feature matrix? It vaguely sounds like something I'd like to use,
> but I definitely need more info.  Thanks.

According to the Allaire site, this means "Configure ColdFusion Advanced
Security through your own CFML scripts for easier maintenance of ColdFusion
Servers."

I don't have a clear idea about what they're referring to, but they could
simply be talking about the CFIMPERSONATE tag, or perhaps the use of scripts
in SMTEST.EXE.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
voice: (202) 797-5496
fax: (202) 797-5444

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RE: Text Editors vs Site Editors Version 2

[Craig M. Rosenblum]

I do listen to music, I do approve, just checking what everyone else
thinks

It's sort of a funny controversy that everyone sort of laughing with me in
my "philosophical differences"...

It's not like I can't learn to use it, (just created my first vtm, for use
with FuseDoc) and it is cool...But just not for me...

I thought maybe I'm just a minimalist of some kind...who knows...it is
interesting conversation...

And I didn't mean for this to be a fight...but to be an intellectual search
for understanding and comparrison

I mean we are all Coding Cowboys of different sorts and types and sizes...



> -Original Message-
> From: Birgit Pauli-Haack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 1:27 PM
> To: Craig M. Rosenblum
> Subject: Re: Text Editors vs Site Editors Version 2
>
>
> Hello Craig,
>
> you are not alone, I am more the text editors type, too. I used
> Notepad for quite awhile until I ran into Nick Bradbury in a
> message board. He just released his Homesite X, free HTML-Text
> editor with nice little features like the snippets and a checker to
> make sure you closed the tags:-)) I kind liked that, it was for
> free and Nick did great work in supporting his tool. He sold it to
> Allaire, at Version 2.0 or so because it was so popular and he
> couldn't keep up with support and marketing...
>
> I sort of grew up with Homesite until 4.0 and then I switched to
> CF when I started using
> some CFML. I felt at home (no wonder)at once.
> In the beginning of web page creation I tried different tools
> like HotDog, which was very slow,
> and also Netscape Gold, I always had to go over the code again and
> again. Even in those days when HTML was simpler, they already
> messed it up, those WYSIWYG editors;-)) Frontpage was the worst.
> (and probably is?)
>
> In between I learned some Perl and used MuliEdit which is, very
> mighty, when you need it to be mighty and very tiny, when you need
> it to be tiny. Highly customizable.
>
> Craig, you sound that you wouldn't approve that people are listening
> to some music during there work:-)) I am just listening to
> radio from my home country via the inter now and then, but only
> when I am just doing some updating or reviewing..
>
> Well, as I said your are not totally alone. I kind a like it
> when fellow webpage creators call me a dinosaur. Some of them are
> having a hard time now finding their way around CF Studio...
>
> What ever, Craig, hopefully we are not off-topic to much..
>
> Birgit
>
> www.naples.net
>
>
>
> Thursday, April 13, 2000, 11:46:47 AM, you wrote:
>
> CMR> Here's the deal, i'm so used to the keyboard mentality, that
> i just want to
> CMR> quick in and out...
>
> CMR> I do use other tools, to help with the database stuff like
> SQL Navigator 3,
> CMR> Benthic's Golden32
>
> CMR> I just like the olde KISS standard of not using tools that
> do or have more
> CMR> than I really need.
>
> CMR> When I first got started in CF, Studio just took up more
> memory and time to
> CMR> learn, than just using a test editor to plug away and type
> and peck and hack
> CMR> at the coding...
>
> CMR> Now I'm not trying to say my approach is superior or meant for
> CMR> everyone...But I have noticed a Conformist Attitude towards
> everyone wanting
> CMR> to be a like
>
> CMR> I really dont't care to do things the way everyone else does...
>
> CMR> I like collecting little tools to do exactly and no more
> than what I need
> CMR> them to do...I dislike the feeling that studio is to the coding, what
> CMR> frontpage is to the web, a kludge application to help people
> do the code for
> CMR> them...
>
> CMR> I know that isn't true, but it feels like it...After having
> worked in Tech
> CMR> Support, and so many people who use Front Page demanded
> results without
> CMR> wanting to learn about how to get that results
>
> CMR> This may be totally inaccurate as to why people use it...
>
> CMR> CF Studio just feels like too much of a tool...I like
> simpler tools...
>
> CMR> This isn't a competition, but I was majorly curious as to if
> I was alone or
> CMR> not...in being a TextPad/ Text Editor user...
>
> CMR> It looks like I am to some extant...and that's okay...
>
> CMR> Are there any other tools people use other than studio for
> coding? like SQL
> CMR> Helpers and so on?
>
> CMR> Another trend I've noticed is that people who code like to
> listen to winamp
> CMR> or other music over the internet while working
>
> CMR> What do you do?
>
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RE: Scriptable Advanced Security Administration

[Dave Watts]

> Has anyone seen any info regarding the new feature in CF 4.5 which is
> described as "Scriptable Advanced Security Administration" in
> the feature matrix? It vaguely sounds like something I'd like to use,
> but I definitely need more info.  Thanks.

According to the Allaire site, this means "Configure ColdFusion Advanced
Security through your own CFML scripts for easier maintenance of ColdFusion
Servers."

I don't have a clear idea about what they're referring to, but they could
simply be talking about the CFIMPERSONATE tag, or perhaps the use of scripts
in SMTEST.EXE.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
voice: (202) 797-5496
fax: (202) 797-5444

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Help with #'s

[John Elder]

Help!

I output a list of values from a db like "לםמ"
How do I escape the #'s so the browser renders them as is?

I can't insert them into the db with double #'s, so I need to either
replace one # with 2 ##'s or have CF Not evaluate the string.

I tried
Replace(String, "#", "##") 
and
Replace(String, "##", "") 
but neither works.

TIA
John

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Need some help w/ CF

[Richard Ramos]

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others group is a drop down list.  I want to display the name of =
programs in this list, but the page I am accessing uses the ID # of the =
program.  Here's the code below.  Maybe someone can help. =20

Thanks in advance for your help.

Richard

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RE: Fusebox or not Fusebox that is the question...

[Dave Watts]

> > and I guess that I am a bit confused as to what it is and
> > why I should use it over some other set of standards?
>
> The point of fusebox is... "what other set of standards"?

I'd have to reject the argument that Fusebox should be used solely because
there isn't another commonly used standard in the CF development community.
There are other standards. Admittedly, none of them are nearly as widely
known or used, but they're there nonetheless.

Fusebox has some serious flaws, as far as a general-purpose methodology for
web development. Fusebox focuses solely on the application server tier,
ignoring database and client tiers which exist within every application. It
focuses on CFML portability, to the exclusion of application partitioning. I
suspect that Fusebox will run into problems in the future, as Allaire adds
object tiers to the development platform.

If Fusebox does what you need it to do, then it's an appropriate methodology
for you to use. If not, it isn't. It's as simple as that. Your argument is
analogous to saying that if lots of people drive Yugos, we should all get
Yugos so that we'll be able to use the same spare parts. The CF development
world is large enough, and CF applications vary enough, to accommodate more
than one methodology.

> The bigger scheme of things is, if you develop the killer
> calendar app, based on your shops "standards" and a fusebox
> based shop wants to use it/buy it / license and debug it...
> they need to "learn your standard coding practices".  If the
> same killer calendar app was already designed to utilize fb
> code standards, their people could easily integrate your app
> into their other coding.

If it's really a "killer app", then it will probably use the methodology
that best suits it, and people will be forced to adapt to it. Maybe that's
Fusebox, maybe not. In any case, if it's written in CF, it should be
relatively self-documenting, as long as it was written well.

> Also, put that same scenerio in with
> a large client that has in-house development going on and they
> want to contract you to do a certain part of their overall
> cf system.  do they want your code standards, and shop b's
> standards, and in house fusebox standards?  Probably not.

I've yet to encounter a situation where we've been asked to integrate our
applications with someone else's CF applications. Most serious, non-trivial
CF applications aren't going to be simply plugged into other CF
applications. In any case, if you were to do that, the biggest problem would
be integrating data schemas, which would almost certainly guarantee that
someone's module would get modified as a result.

> There is is a bit of talk on [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> regarding reatifying the fb syandarsd to get a formalized/unified
> standard that hopefully will ultimately include "the best of
> the best" methodologies. If you disagree with what the spec's
> fb methods are - speak up and advise how they should be
> changed and improved for the better.

Unfortunately, the problem with this approach is the underlying concept that
there is, in fact, one "best way" to do things. This isn't the case - there
are alternative approaches with equal validity, in many cases. As an
extension to this, if you're pursuing different goals with your application
development, one methodology may fit those goals better than another.

There's no way that Fig Leaf could adopt Fusebox to do the kinds of
development that we do. Does that make Fusebox bad? No. Does it make us
wrong in how we do things? Again, no. The underlying problem is that Fusebox
favors some development goals, such as portability, over others, such as
application partitioning, while we favor other goals.

> As a business owner, it seems it'd make hiring a bit easier
> as well, as you would have some level of basis for assessing
> a skillset of a prospect. (minor side effect) but good one
> nonetheless.

Why couldn't you assess the skill level of a prospective hire by simply
reading their code samples and looking at applications they've developed? I
don't think I'd rate a slavish adherence to Fusebox as a plus. When we hire,
we're often less interested in seeing what they've done in CFML, which is a
pretty simple language, than we are in SQL and JavaScript and how they are
integrated with CF development.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
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RE: Fusebox or not Fusebox that is the question...

[Pecora, James]

Only if you want to dictate how the world codes...
A methodology should fit the design standards and goals of a team/company
only.

As discussed in numerous threads onthis list - not every methodology fits
every need. And indeed, specificially FUSEBOX doesn't NOT fit everyones
needs - so for you to assume that a standard methology should be implemented
throughout the CF community is quite presumptious.

Each firm that I have worked for implements their own coding standards - and
Yes I need to learn a new standard each time I change jobs, but each job has
different goals...it can be no other way.

I know there are a lot of FUSEBOX proponents out there - but let's not cross
teh line and become bigots..



-Original Message-
From: William James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 1:19 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Fusebox or not Fusebox that is the question...


But the point of a standard methodology is that its consistent throughout
the team AND outside of it. If you or one of your team left and went to
another company you might have to learn a whole new methodology and throw
out a lot of what you'd been using for years. With a standard, you would be
using the same methodology from one place to another and the same for
sharing fuses, etc. If it uses a different scheme than someone else, it
kills the reusability and shareability across companies/teams/etc. But I
guess a mini-methodology is better than none ;)

- Original Message -
From: "Pecora, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 9:19 AM
Subject: RE: Fusebox or not Fusebox that is the question...


> Bill - you are correct - FUSEBOX is just a methodology, any standarized
> methodology throughout a team environment will do the same thing. As for
> compartmentalizing the code for ease of debugging in the team..that can be
> part of your standard and not necessarily fe fusebox.
>
> Personally I use a method that is similar to fusebox in some way and
> diferent in other ways..
> I suppose it's the consistancy throughout the team that makes a standard
> usefull..
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Killillay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 10:20 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Fusebox or not Fusebox that is the question...
>
>
> Can't all of that be done by establishing standards for a project or all
> projects.  Why does it have to be Fusebox?  I have been looking at Fusebox
> and I guess that I am a bit confused as to what it is and why I should use
> it over some other set of standards?
>
> FWIW
> Bill Killillay
> ICQ @ 8425781
>
> Emily B. Kim Wrote:
> > when you're working in a team environment, isolating pages makes them
> > easier to debug and also easier to reuse. for instance, we were working
on
> > an app and people were doing different parts of the app. the client made
a
> > change to the db and threw off one part of the appa part i didn't
work
> > on. but i was able to fix it in 5 minutes 'cause i knew what the
> > fuseaction
> > was and that it was a query error so i just opened the query associated
> > with that fuseaction, and BINGO! it was fixed. i didn't even have to
look
> > at the rest of the code for that piece of the app.
> >
> > also, if you have a query that can be re-used - for instance to populate
a
> > table in one page and then a select drop down box in another page - it
is
> > easier to just write it once. you could even make it more flexible by
> > adding options for conditional processing. -emily
>
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RE: Query Caching

[jstiefel]

No, actually Client variables are stored in the registry, and there is now
an option to store them in an ODBC datasource. Session variables are stored
in memory along with all the other scopes.

-Original Message-
From: Judah McAuley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 12:25 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Query Caching


At 11:23 AM 4/13/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Yes.  You can save the query to SESSION scope.
>
>
> 
> 
> SQL STUFF
> 
> 
>
>
>HTH!
>Sharon

One problem I worry about with this:  Session variables are frequently 
stored in the Registry on NT machines, yes?  So if you had a very large 
query, or quite a few users, you are potentially packing a lot of info into 
the registry.  Perhaps unwise.

Judah


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Configuring CF for Extensions Other Than .CFM and .CFML ?

[advd_cf_devel]

Can ColdFusion be configured to process files with extensions other than
.CFM and .CFML?

If so, how can new file extensions be added?



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RE: Hosting lag time

[Steve Pierce]

The big question is hat is their connection to the Internet more than where
they are physically located. You need to find out who is their upstream
provider, what sort of connection do they have. Is it shared, and then you
need to test it.

If you don't have time for that, then find the cheapest guy with the best
support and hope for the best 

 - Steve


-Original Message-
From: LetchfordDesign [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 1:19 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Hosting lag time


This probably is too basic a question to be asking such a high powered
group,  but here it goes anyway.

I am going to be moving a few web sites from a hosting company that is in
close proximity to my location and the location of the businesses that have
the web sites.

In my search for a new host (which will provide ColdFusion, naturally),  how
significant is the factor of where the servers are physically located?   The
businesses are all locally oriented and most of the site traffic is created
by clients in the local area (east coast in this example).   Is there any
advantage to having the hosting company close by or could a company on the
west coast provide service with little evidence of additional load time for
the sites?

In advance,  thanks for your thoughts!

Gary Letchford
Letchford Design
http://www.letchforddesign.com






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Re: Application.cfm & javascript

[Chris Porter]

well think about the process flow.. application.cfm runs at the begining of
_every_ cfm page (this includes your popup window). so if your condition is
false because of some kinda login check or another, then every time that
popup window pops up, taht condition is going to be false and it's gonna
pop up another window.. etc.. etc...

my quick fix advice would be to put the popup window file in a subdirectory
or another directory & put a blank application.cfm file in taht directory
to prevent any other application.cfm file from taking over.

-chris



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>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>
>--=_NextPart_000__01BFA54B.7A48E0F0
>Content-Type: text/plain;
>   charset="iso-8859-1"
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
>Anyone know of any limitations for using javascript within an
>appplication.cfm file?  I am trying to open a pop-up window for user
>authentication if a condition is false, then close the window once
>authenticated.  It seems to SORT OF work, but the pop-up window seems to be
>looping on itself...STRANGE!!
>
>Any suggestions greatly appreciated!
>
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RE: Does Cold Fusion care about dates?

[Michael Blair]

Anyone had any problem with having a date field with say the date 3/5/00
with an Access 97 or SQL 7 database?  3/5/2000 works fine as well as 3/5/01,
but not 3/5/00.  Get a can't divide by zero error.
I wanted to give the user flexibility to type the year in any format they
wanted and not restrict them to 3/5/2000 as 3/5/01 works.  Database is set
up with a date/time field.

Thanks,



Michael W. Blair

Web Applications Developer
Canyon WebWorks
An Arizona Internet LLC Company
http://www.canyon.net
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FAX:   (520) 773-4945

-Original Message-
From: Reuben King [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 10:49 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Does Cold Fusion care about dates?

In <000801bfa4d3$72169300$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Seth Petry-
Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> >CF variables are supposed to be typeless, but then there is the
> >ParseDateTime() function in Cold Fusion which returns a date object from
> >a string.
> >
> >Are there instances where certain functions require a bonafide date
> >"object"?
>
>
> The CF date/time functions such as DateAdd(), DateCompare(), etc all seem
to
> accept either date/time objects -or- string representations of dates as
> their arguments.  Supplying these functions with string representations of
> dates doesn't seem to cause any problems (at least in my limited testing
on
> CF 4.01) provided of course that the strings represent valid dates.
>
> I would guess then that the ParseDateTime() function exists for
performance
> reasons.  I can only assume that the date functions perform faster when
> supplied with actual date/time objects because they don't have to do any
> internal conversions from string objects.  This doesn't seem to be
> noticeable under normal circumstances but it might help if you had to run
> some hefty loops that performed date/time calculations.
>
> Note that this entire theory is just that, a theory.  I could be talking
> complete nonsense here... 

I didn't even *notice* the ParseDateTime() function till about a few
months ago.  For years, I've just been sending plain text strings into
all the date functions in CF that I've ever needed to use..

I bet you're right, though -- performance reasons.  Now if there were
only a way when retrieving a date column from Oracle for it to
automatically be read by CF as a CF "date object".  Anyone know?

TIA,
-R

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RE: Text Editors vs Site Editors Version 2

[Michael Blair]

Create your own custom keyboard short cuts.  Then you don't have to leave
the keyboard and don't have to type long CF tags.
Can even create keyboard shortcuts for your own custom tags!



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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 10:16 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Text Editors vs Site Editors Version 2

I've been using UltraEdit 32 for a few years now, and love it for it's
simplicity. The things that get me about studio is exactly what you
mentioned: memory consumption, wasted screen space for useless functions,
and the list goes on.

There are quite a few other developers here at iXL that live in IDE's, and
would probably feel a bit more comfortable in an environment with all those
neat little buttons surrounding your code, but to be honest, I can type
"

CFMAIL & WACK

[Paul Ihrig]

hello all!
been busy at the wack book today trying to get chapter 24 & cfmail.
couldnt get any thing to work so i just started goofing around with simple
querys & sending the data to myself.

Befor i new what was happenning i was getting 89 or so emails at a time.

i had maxrows set to 1 so why was i getting a ton of duplicate info?

if you know of a good site with some tight tutorials on CFmail, please let
me know.

also, i finally got CF Stu 4.5.1 to work!

thanks all

-paul

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RE: Studio & RDS Problems

[Mike Sheldon]

Hmm, apparently, either no one else is having this problem, or they haven't
found a solution.

I've only seen it at one of my clients, and the only thing we're fairly sure
of is that it happens when doing searches, or large interactive queries. For
them, it's only happening once a week or so, so it hasn't been a huge
problem.

Sorry I can't be of more help...

Michael J. Sheldon
Internet Applications Developer
Phone: 480.699.1084
http://www.desertraven.com/
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-Original Message-
From: Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 02:35
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Studio & RDS Problems



:~~
: From: Mike Sheldon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
:
: In the NT Resource kit is a utility kill.exe which can
: kill any process, including the RDS service when this
: happens. CF Exec will then re-start it.
:~~

ok, but does anybody have any knowledge of or experience with the problem
i'm describing.  killing the process every 30 minutes (literally) is getting
really old.  development time is too costly to try to work with something
that's this unstable.

anybody else have any ideas or experience they can share?

thanks,

.jeff

name://jeff.howden
game://web.development
http://www.evolt.org/
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RE: What goes on the faster machine?

[Justin Greene]

I have found that most sites will overload the CF server before the DB
server.  If you anticipate having many CF servers, then the DB becomes the
bottleneck.  It sounds counter intuitive, but I think that the DB is likely
to perform better on the older machine (with enough RAM) and this will make
CF less of a bottleneck.

-Justin


-Original Message-
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Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 11:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: What goes on the faster machine?


We are finally making the move from Access to SQL Server.  Right now we
have both Access and ColdFusion running on the same machine.  However, with
our upgrade we are going to put SQL Server on one machine and ColdFusion on
another.  My question is, which one should go on the faster machine, CF or
SQL Server?

Any other advice anyone would care to offer would be appreciated.  Thanks.

Joy


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Re: [How do you end a Session????]

[double-down]

cfset session.blah = ""

or structdelete()


Brian  Ingram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'm trying to use session variables for unique users in my CF program, but
when i change users the session doesnt end. 

1) What is the code to end a session? 

2) Then, how would i incorporate the code to end the session by pressing a
"log off" button? 


thanks, 
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Re: Application.cfm & javascript

[Brandon Whitaker]

>Anyone know of any limitations for using javascript within an
>appplication.cfm file?  I am trying to open a pop-up window for user
>authentication if a condition is false, then close the window once
>authenticated.  It seems to SORT OF work, but the pop-up window seems to be
>looping on itself...STRANGE!!

Lets see:
You have a script in your application.cfm.
If a variable evaluates false, it opens a window.
The script opened in the window will ALSO access the application.cfm first,
and the value will STILL be false because the proper authentication hasn't
been passed - so it'll keep opening it.

One solution: put the document that's supposed to appear in a subdirectory
with its own application.cfm.  This application.cfm can't be blank, but it
should be harmless; put something like:


in there.  When the popup window loads the document from this subdirectory,
it'll read the application.cfm in that directory and stop there, instead of
parsing the one in the root and going into an endless loop.

HTH!  HAND!

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RE: Source Control

[Craig M. Rosenblum]

what about it stinks?

We're using it and it's a tuff tool...i mean it's very stringent...

> -Original Message-
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> Subject: Source Control
>
>
> We are currently using Visual Source Safe to implement source
> control on our
> site. Could someone please email me their prior experiences
> regarding source
> control. We currently use Sourcesafe and frankly it stinks.
>
>
> Thanks
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CFGRIDROW for mass insert...other approaches?

[Harry LeBlanc]

I'm working on speeding up an EDI file import. The existing code does an
insert via CFQUERY for every po header & line item imported.I'm trying
to contrive a way to gather all the pos & line items beforehand so I can
do just two inserts, one for po headers and one for line items.
The approach I'm trying involves programmatically generating a CFGRID by
looping through an array of structs & creating a CFGRIDROW for each
record. (There are two grids, one for po headers, and one for line
items.)
I have a couple of questions about this, though. First of all, how does
the grid flag a record for insertion? Is there a programmatic technique
to flag my CFGRIDROWs as new records so the CFGRIDUPDATE command inserts
the records? Or are all CFGRIDROWs automatically considered new records,
and thus inserted?
Second, I plan on running this as a scheduled process. Will a scheduled
process execute javascript (to automatically submit the form)? If not,
how do I get the form to submit?
Third, does anyone have any bright ideas about alternative approaches?
My goal, remember, is to reduce the number of CFQUERY objects to the
bare minimum.
I'm running CF4 & SQL Server 7. Could I skin this cat with a stored
procedure? If so, how would I pass the po's (or line items) to the
stored proc? Some of these files contain thousands of records, which
exceeds both the max number of params to a stored proc and the max
string size for varchar. BULK INSERT doesn't seem to be an option,
either, since the SQL Server box is on the wrong side of the DMZ to see
files on the web server.
Any bright ideas?
Thanks!

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Re: Fusebox or not Fusebox that is the question...

[Nick & Loretta Pioch]

Bill,
You are totally right.  I think the biggest point to Fusebox is that its *A* standard. 
 How many people, groups, companies do you know that code without any or sparce 
standards?

Why does it have to be Fusebox?  It doesn't...but if you don't have a standard of your 
own, why re-invent the wheel when there's a pretty big Fusebox audience out there to 
utilize and
learn from?  Depending on how big your project/company is (or how fast you need your 
project done), I'd say Fusebox isn't a bad way to go...the list of people who use 
Fusebox seems to
keep growing and growing, that it's not that hard to imagine putting out a job posting 
with Fusebox as a prerequisit (or a "big plus").  So you could hire someone in who 
already knows
YOUR standard.

What is Fusebox?  It's a standard used by many Cold Fusion developers.  It's a 
standard that allows you to easily separate out different functions of your 
application so that they are
completely independent of the others...so programmer 1 can take this part of the app 
and develop it... programmer 2 can take that part and develop it...etc...without 
needing to know
how the others are doing it.  All they need to know is the list of fuses (actions).

Why should you use it?  If you have your own set of standards, GREAT! I'd argue there 
are lots of people/companies out there that DON'T but need to.  But if you're looking 
for a
standard that many other people know/understand, and one that allows easy 
independent-segmenting of your application, then Fusebox is worth looking into / 
trying out.

Current documentation available *is* a little convoluted, and you need to do a small 
app yourself to really understand/get into the flow of Fusebox.  Currently, on the 
Fusebox list,
we are looking into ways of making the learning process of Fusebox much simpler and 
easier to understand.

Hope this helps!
-- Loretta Pioch

Bill Killillay wrote:

> Can't all of that be done by establishing standards for a project or all
> projects.  Why does it have to be Fusebox?  I have been looking at Fusebox
> and I guess that I am a bit confused as to what it is and why I should use
> it over some other set of standards?

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Re: Caching with CFHTTP?

[Ken Wilson]

> Thanks - I'll go for that.  Ken Wilson sent me some code that I'm gonna
try.



And parts of that code were originally, I believe, based on the code samples
on the Moreover site with a few twists added just for fun.

Ken



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intials or abbreviations

[Craig M. Rosenblum]

is there any function to take a name and just grab the initials?

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Re: How do you end a Session????

[Reuben King]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brian  Ingram 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> I'm trying to use session variables for unique users in my CF program, but when i 
>change users the session doesnt end.
> 
> 1) What is the code to end a session?
> 
> 2) Then, how would i incorporate the code to end the session by pressing a "log off" 
>button?
> 


You might store your user ID in a session variable and change that 
variable when people log on and off... Logging off would set it to 
something like "none".  In application.cfm, you can test the value of 
this var to see who the person is or if it is "none", force them to log 
on.

HTH,
-R
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Re: OT: Web meeting scheduler

[Reuben King]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael C. Wilson 
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in a fit of unbridled passion, wrote:
> Doesn't a simple one come with the install of CF Server, under example applications? 
>I beleive it is a part if the sample Intranet...

Indeed you are correct... yay! code to leech! :-)

Thanks!
-R
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Re: DB update with email notification

[KAREN REITER]

Todd Ashworth wrote:

> CFMail is a tag like any other.  Simply put your  tag after your
> database update/insert code.
>

This worked like a charm!  Thanks,

Karen

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Re: form processing

[Steve Aylor]

#Form.FieldList#


- Original Message -
From: "Angie Miner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 10:08 AM
Subject: form processing


> How can I find out what form variables are being passed to a cfm page?
>
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RE: banner ad weighting....

[Al Musella, DPM]

   There may be a much simpler way:

For each ad, just have 1 field that specifies what % that ad should have.
Whenever you add / edit an ad (maybe use a trigger), have it then fill in 
(or update)  2 more fields, call it N1 and N2, with the numbers from 0 to 
100 which represent that fraction they should get.. for example:


Ad titlePercent N1 N2
Ad1 20  0   20
Ad2 50  20  70
ad3 30  70  100

Now just generate a random number , R, from 0 to 100.
   Look for the ad where  R is between N1 and N2
  I did something like that, and the ads come out remarkably close to the 
predicted frequency!

Al Musella
World Wide Websites

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Client Variables

[Brook Davies]

I have a cf app that lives on a cluster and uses db stored client var's to
maintain state. On each page of my application the isLoggedIn Variable is
checked and if the date/time contained within plus twenty minutes is less
than the current date/time then the users session has expired. Otherwise I
write the current date/time to the client var.
My problem is that my site uses frames and at one point calls a third party
application (web based email provided by Critical Path). If the users
checks there email for more than 20 minutes without touching the nav bar,
their session will expire since they have not called a CF page. Is there
any way around this?
Brook

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Re: form processing

[John N Westerlund]

Look at the file source of the preceding page for   etc.
There's no way to see server or session variables. You might be able to see
the variables in the URL address of the next page ie
www.somesite.com/index.cfm?method=display&bookid=75&author=foofoo
If it's your site, then open the cfm page.


-Original Message-
From: Angie Miner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, April 13, 2000 3:02 PM
Subject: form processing


How can I find out what form variables are being passed to a cfm page?



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RE: Hosting lag time

[Kelly Matthews]

I would suggest hosting at a FIRST Teir provider (someone with a direct
connection
to MAEEAST or MAEWEST anyone in the Tysons Herndon Area that connects
straight into MAEEAST is going to be pretty quick and reliable assuming they
have
redundancy built in. CAIS, PSINET, UUNET etc but you will pay more however
you
will have great reliablitly. I have a dedicated server at Digital Nation, a
1st teir dedicated
server provider in Northern VA, NEVER have had a big problem. In the last
year maybe
3 times there was a 10 minute outage and that was it.
Kelly

> -Original Message-
> From: LetchfordDesign [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 1:19 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Hosting lag time
> 
> This probably is too basic a question to be asking such a high powered
> group,  but here it goes anyway.
> 
> I am going to be moving a few web sites from a hosting company that is in
> close proximity to my location and the location of the businesses that
> have
> the web sites.
> 
> In my search for a new host (which will provide ColdFusion, naturally),
> how
> significant is the factor of where the servers are physically located?
> The
> businesses are all locally oriented and most of the site traffic is
> created
> by clients in the local area (east coast in this example).   Is there any
> advantage to having the hosting company close by or could a company on the
> west coast provide service with little evidence of additional load time
> for
> the sites?
> 
> In advance,  thanks for your thoughts!
> 
> Gary Letchford
> Letchford Design
> http://www.letchforddesign.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: form processing

[Kelly Matthews]

Turn your DEBUGGING on and it will show all the form variables in the
debuggin info.
Kelly

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> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 1:09 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  form processing
> 
> How can I find out what form variables are being passed to a cfm page?
> 
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RE: How do you end a Session????

[Kelly Matthews]

Here is one way if you log off have it go to a page that has this statement:


Works for me.
Kelly
> -Original Message-
> From: Brian  Ingram [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 1:19 PM
> To:   CFTalk
> Subject:  How do you end a Session
> 
> I'm trying to use session variables for unique users in my CF program, but
> when i change users the session doesnt end.
> 
> 1) What is the code to end a session?
> 
> 2) Then, how would i incorporate the code to end the session by pressing a
> "log off" button?
> 
> 
> thanks,
> Brian
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RE: Hosting lag time

[Chris Meier]

The location isnt as important as the available bandwidth.  Would you rather
host on "Joe's Bait Shop and Web Hosting", which is next door but only has a
single t-1, or on a company in another state with multiple OC3's?  now, if
you're talking about colocation of equipment, location is a HUGE factor when
you have to get up at 3 AM to go reboot a server.

-Original Message-
From: LetchfordDesign [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 1:19 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Hosting lag time


This probably is too basic a question to be asking such a high powered
group,  but here it goes anyway.

I am going to be moving a few web sites from a hosting company that is in
close proximity to my location and the location of the businesses that have
the web sites.

In my search for a new host (which will provide ColdFusion, naturally),  how
significant is the factor of where the servers are physically located?   The
businesses are all locally oriented and most of the site traffic is created
by clients in the local area (east coast in this example).   Is there any
advantage to having the hosting company close by or could a company on the
west coast provide service with little evidence of additional load time for
the sites?

In advance,  thanks for your thoughts!

Gary Letchford
Letchford Design
http://www.letchforddesign.com






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RE: Text Editors vs Site Editors

[Stewart McGowan]

hmmm I get paid to produce web pages ergo I am a professional end of
story

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 13 April 2000 17:39
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  RE: Text Editors vs Site Editors
> 
> Obviously you've never received 80-90 marked up pages done by professional
> designers in Dreamweaver. Dreamweaver most certainly does produce "messy"
> code. If you'd like, I'll be happy to send you a sample.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mack, Chris R [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 11:29 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Text Editors vs Site Editors
> 
> 
> I think a lot of professionals designers use WYSIWYG editors.  I use
> Dreamweaver not because I don't know html, but rather because it saves me
> time.  I can layout and tweak tables much faster using Dreamweaver than I
> can in CF Studio.  Dreamweaver does not leave "messy" code when doing
> straight html stuff.  I mean isn't a  tag the same in Dreamweaver
> or
> if done by hand?  Frontpage is the one that has given a bad name for
> WYSIWYG
> editors.  It uses all kinds of proprietary comments and markup to maintain
> a
> site.  Just because you can do something in notepad does not mean you are
> any more professional than someone who knows the same code as you and can
> do
> the same thing, but chooses to save time by going WYSIWIG.  Check out
> Adobe.com.  They are using their product GoLive.  You think the web
> designers there are not professionals?  The vi/notepad vs. WYSIWIG is just
> a
> remnant of the "M$ vs UNIX" wars.  I can hand code all day long, but
> that's
> the problem, I have better things to do than to prove that I can layout a
> table in notepad.
> 
> Chris R. Mack
> Manager, Internet Strategies
> Lockheed Martin Technology Services
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: William James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 5:47 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Text Editors vs Site Editors
> 
> 
> As  far as I'm concerned CF Studio IS a text editor. It's just help files,
> browser, etc, all in one. I don't really see it any different than having
> notepad, ftp, IE, and some tutorial websites all open except the
> convenince
> factor. I've never and will never use the Design Tab (yuck!) As for using
> text editors being out dated, I don't know a single professinla designer
> who
> uses a WYSIWYG editor. For the most part, only the customers who design
> their own and constantly have problems use those (*cough* Frontpage
> *cough*). I type pretty much everything myself, but CF just nicely helps
> out
> aging memories like mine :) Pus, there are always times when its easier to
> just telnet into the machine and use pico or edit to modify files. I think
> using text editors or non-WYSIWYG editors is not only not outdated but
> preferred. I can't count the number of times I've been asked "Can you hand
> code?" by places I've applied for a job. Although I almost always use CF
> Studio now, I still consider it handcoding. Plus I can always use notepad
> if
> need be.
> 
> -Will
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Craig M. Rosenblum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 11:18 AM
> Subject: Text Editors vs Site Editors
> 
> 
> > I have always been using texpad or notepad to edit and create my code,
> > because i'm of the older keyboard'n generation rather than the mouse and
> gui
> > generation
> >
> > But it seems like being a user of text editors is so outre' (out dated)
> or
> > non-conformist...
> >
> > Just out of curiousity how many of you use a text editor vs cf studio
> and
> > the like?
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Mike Sheldon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 12:09 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: RE: Is HomeSite Soon To Be History?
> > >
> > >
> > > What a load of hooey!
> > >
> > > Ignoring the fact that this message was a thinly-disguised
> > > advertisement for
> > > a competing product...
> > >
> > > Some of us out here actually KNOW HOW TO CODE! We don't need bloatware
> > > handholding to create high-quality sites. It's my opinion, but if you
> need
> > > this type of layout program to create websites, then you're not a
> > > programmer. You may be a designer, but you're not a programmer and
> should
> > > not be allowed to write code. Programmers actually take pride in
> > > *understanding what they are doing* instead of just connecting the
> pretty
> > > dots.
> > >
> > > I certainly don't do all of my coding in notepad, but the editors I do
> use
> > > (Homesite, CF Studio and Visual Studio) are primarily code-editors
> (First
> > > thing I do on install is disable the layout tab). Nonetheless, if
> Homesite
> > > and CF Studio were to disappear tomorrow, you'll find m

RE: How do you end a Session????

[Brian Peddle]

You could do a structclear(session) and kill the sessions at logout

-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 1:19 PM
To: CFTalk
Subject: How do you end a Session


I'm trying to use session variables for unique users in my CF program, but
when i change users the session doesnt end.

1) What is the code to end a session?

2) Then, how would i incorporate the code to end the session by pressing a
"log off" button?


thanks,
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RE: Application.cfm & javascript

[Brian Peddle]

if the pop up is a .cfm it is launching the javascript and rerunning the
app.cfm and it will be an endless loop

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Application.cfm & javascript


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appplication.cfm file?  I am trying to open a pop-up window for user
authentication if a condition is false, then close the window once
authenticated.  It seems to SORT OF work, but the pop-up window seems to be
looping on itself...STRANGE!!

Any suggestions greatly appreciated!

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Re: How do you end a Session????

[Tim Lieberman]

At 01:19 PM 00/04/13 -0400, you wrote:
>I'm trying to use session variables for unique users in my CF program, but
when i change users the session doesnt end.
>
>1) What is the code to end a session?

I generally use StructClear(session).  Session variables are stored in a
structure.  That destroys that structure, and all session variables with it.  

>
>2) Then, how would i incorporate the code to end the session by pressing a
"log off" button?

Have the link go to a page with something like:




>
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RE: CF and COM

[shannon hall]

We are getting ready to start COM development as well, are you using VB 6.0
for language?  If so what type of archetecture are you using for
impleementing your objects, and resources for developing them?

-Original Message-
From: Gregory Weiss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 9:17 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: CF and COM


I was wondering if anyone knows of any good resources for using COM and Cold
Fusion together, either with Studio/Server 4.0 and above, or with the
Spectra system (I don't know much about Spectra other than it uses its own
object-model (cfa_containters) so I don't know if I am asking an intelligent
question in this regard.)

Thanks in advance for your help guys.

Gregory L. Weiss
Web Development Project Leader
Trapezoid, Inc.
 4107 Laguna Street
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RE: form processing

[Duane Boudreau]

form.fieldnames contains a list all form variables

or in CF 4.5


#formvar# = #Evaluate("form.#formvar#")#


Duane



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How can I find out what form variables are being passed to a cfm page?



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RE: form processing

[Derrick Shoemake]

You can do a #FORM.FieldName# This is a list of all the
fields passed by a form. I found the following example
somewhere (I would give them credit if I could)


 
  The value of FORM.#ThisField# is #Evaluate("FORM." & ThisField)#
 


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How can I find out what form variables are being passed to a cfm page?



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Flash and Cold Fusion

[Joel Richards]

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Seems like I saw some posts earlier  about integrating Flash with Cold Fusion,
but can't find anything. Does anybody know of resources that cover passing
variables out of Flash and into Cold Fusion and vice versa?
Thanks
Joel

Joel Richards
Web Developer
Brainstorm Industries
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Seems like I saw some posts earlier  about integrating
Flash with Cold Fusion, but can't find anything. Does anybody know of
resources that cover passing variables out of Flash and into Cold Fusion
and vice versa?
Thanks
Joel


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Re: HostPro

[Jonathan Fisher]

Hostprowow.

I first hosted with them about 2 years ago and was hooked immediately. Fast
and efficient response from tech support at all hours of the day and night.
Over the past week though, I've had serious problems. 2 domains that I was
involved in setting up on there took forever. First there was a long delay
before receiving confirmation and login information. Second, in both cases
any attempt to run Cold Fusion files produced a Server Application Error. In
both cases I had to call tech support MANY times to get it fixed - it took a
full day in one case and 2 days in the other, and this involved calling many
times per day, with the average waiting on hold time being about 15 minutes
before getting through to anyone, and in a couple cases being a full 1/2
hour before I had to just hang up because I couldn't wait any longer.
Getting SQL server support  enabled was another protracted process(they
didn't automatically enable it even though it was included in the package, I
had to email and call repeatedly asking them to do it), taking several days
despite repeated emails and phone calls.

What is all comes down to is it took a full week to get these sites set up,
where it used to take only a day or 2 at the extreme. I don't know what's
happened, maybe they're growing too big too fast, but the service is pretty
bad right now. If you're putting up a job for a client, make sure you've got
a full week lead time before they expect to see it on the netyou can't
imagine what it's like having to face the people that you assured in all
confidence that they could go ahead with their promotional activities
because the site would be live in a couple days at the latest and tell them
that the hosting firm YOU RECOMMENDED AND ENDORSED AS THEIR BEST AND MOST
RELIABLE OPTION was all of a sudden inefficient and unresponsive. It also
doesn't earn you favor in the eyes of your boss either. It's not an
experience I ever wish to relive.

Will I continue to host with them? Yes, because they're always up, and I'm
sure that now that everything's working it'll stay working. But from now on,
anything that has to be up in less than 10 days time will be hosted
somewhere else.

Has anyone else experienced similar troubles with HostPro recently? And can
someone recommend a good alternative that I can use in a pinch till they get
themselves back into shape?

Thanks,

J


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Date: Friday, April 14, 2000 2:04 AM
Subject: RE: HostPro


>I use them for co-location.  Not happy with customer service, but they are
>always up and running
>
>
>
>DDINC
>
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>
>Anybody out there ever use HostPro for hosting or hear anything good or bad
>about them?
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RE: WAP and WML...

[Jordon Saardchit]

nokia has a development SDK for WAP Applications as well.  You can try that
one too.

Jordon

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Subject: WAP and WML...


I'm putting together a WML/email application using CF, and I've got a
question about compatability -

I'm using the Phone.com developer's kit and SDK to test my stuff. How do I
know if this app will work on phones that don't use Phone.com's service? Is
there a more generic SDK out there I can use?

May all be stupid questions, but thought I'd check...

TIA,

Ian Lurie

Portent Interactive
http://www.portentinteractive.com
Process, Design, Content

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Re: form processing

[David E. Crawford]

Examine the variable FORM.FIELDNAMES.

DC

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Subject: form processing


> How can I find out what form variables are being passed to a cfm page?
> 
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RE: Changing Field Name in an Access DB

[Hoffman, Joe (CIT)]

>From SQL   Alter Table?

Joe Hoffman mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
National Institutes of Health 
Center for Information Technology 
Division of Computer System Services

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Subject: Changing Field Name in an Access DB


Is there a way to change the properties of a field in a table or add a field
to a table through CF?

Thanks,
 
 ---miriam


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Re: Changing Field Name in an Access DB

[Marius milosav]

You can use normal cfquery:


 create table test1 (testid int null)



 alter table test1 add test2 varchar (30) null


This shoud work in TSQL.

Check your database manual if you use a different on.

Marius Milosav
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Is there a way to change the properties of a field in a table or add a field
to a table through CF?

Thanks,

---miriam


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Scriptable Advanced Security Administration

[Bob Hendren]

I'll try this one more time!  This question has been avoided like the plague
so far, both on this list and Allaire's Forums.  If anyone can help, I'd
appreciate it.

Has anyone seen any info regarding the new feature in CF 4.5 which is
described as "Scriptable Advanced Security Administration" in the feature
matrix?  It vaguely sounds like something I'd like to use, but I definitely
need more info.  Thanks.

-
Bob Hendren
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E-Commerce - Internetworking - Information Systems
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Re: Text Editors vs Site Editors Version 2

[Birgit Pauli-Haack]

Hello Craig,

you are not alone, I am more the text editors type, too. I used
Notepad for quite awhile until I ran into Nick Bradbury in a
message board. He just released his Homesite X, free HTML-Text
editor with nice little features like the snippets and a checker to
make sure you closed the tags:-)) I kind liked that, it was for
free and Nick did great work in supporting his tool. He sold it to
Allaire, at Version 2.0 or so because it was so popular and he
couldn't keep up with support and marketing...

I sort of grew up with Homesite until 4.0 and then I switched to CF when I started 
using
some CFML. I felt at home (no wonder)at once.
In the beginning of web page creation I tried different tools like HotDog, which was 
very slow,
and also Netscape Gold, I always had to go over the code again and
again. Even in those days when HTML was simpler, they already
messed it up, those WYSIWYG editors;-)) Frontpage was the worst.
(and probably is?)

In between I learned some Perl and used MuliEdit which is, very
mighty, when you need it to be mighty and very tiny, when you need
it to be tiny. Highly customizable.

Craig, you sound that you wouldn't approve that people are listening
to some music during there work:-)) I am just listening to
radio from my home country via the inter now and then, but only
when I am just doing some updating or reviewing..

Well, as I said your are not totally alone. I kind a like it
when fellow webpage creators call me a dinosaur. Some of them are
having a hard time now finding their way around CF Studio...

What ever, Craig, hopefully we are not off-topic to much..

Birgit

www.naples.net



Thursday, April 13, 2000, 11:46:47 AM, you wrote:

CMR> Here's the deal, i'm so used to the keyboard mentality, that i just want to
CMR> quick in and out...

CMR> I do use other tools, to help with the database stuff like SQL Navigator 3,
CMR> Benthic's Golden32

CMR> I just like the olde KISS standard of not using tools that do or have more
CMR> than I really need.

CMR> When I first got started in CF, Studio just took up more memory and time to
CMR> learn, than just using a test editor to plug away and type and peck and hack
CMR> at the coding...

CMR> Now I'm not trying to say my approach is superior or meant for
CMR> everyone...But I have noticed a Conformist Attitude towards everyone wanting
CMR> to be a like

CMR> I really dont't care to do things the way everyone else does...

CMR> I like collecting little tools to do exactly and no more than what I need
CMR> them to do...I dislike the feeling that studio is to the coding, what
CMR> frontpage is to the web, a kludge application to help people do the code for
CMR> them...

CMR> I know that isn't true, but it feels like it...After having worked in Tech
CMR> Support, and so many people who use Front Page demanded results without
CMR> wanting to learn about how to get that results

CMR> This may be totally inaccurate as to why people use it...

CMR> CF Studio just feels like too much of a tool...I like simpler tools...

CMR> This isn't a competition, but I was majorly curious as to if I was alone or
CMR> not...in being a TextPad/ Text Editor user...

CMR> It looks like I am to some extant...and that's okay...

CMR> Are there any other tools people use other than studio for coding? like SQL
CMR> Helpers and so on?

CMR> Another trend I've noticed is that people who code like to listen to winamp
CMR> or other music over the internet while working

CMR> What do you do?


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Classified Ads Application

[Tom Forbes]

Dear CF'ers

Can anyone our there recommend an industrial strength classified ad
application, preferable written in CF?

The FusionFX one is in long term beta - I'll pass - I bought the V1
package, it never worked right, and here we are a year later, no progress
on B2 or interest in completting it for that matter.

I appreciate anything you folks may be able to recommend to me.

Tom


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Re: Text Editors vs Site Editors Version 2

[Steve Aylor]

I like to get my cf coding done FASTER by dragging and dropping cfml code
snips all over the place and then. I actually enter the outside world once
in a while (ya know... sunlight) grab the horse from out in th meadow,
hook ol bessie up to the carriage and take a buggy ride to the farmers
market... milk a cow by hand, slaughter a another one for some steaks and
while Im at it kill myself a chicken for some barbecue all the while
listening to my walkman.

Cuz ya know... that modernized store bought stuff and automobiles is for
damn sissies..

The difference in the homesite/studio "tool" is.. it doesnt do the coding
for you... it leverages the developers existing knowledge and lets them
speed up the doing of many of the "mundane-brainless" tasks requireing
excessive "typing".

I dont think studio has taught anyone how to properly use
session/application/server scoped variables and where to place them.. or
stored proc's or code cfml etc... - it just saves time. Period.  Being able
to type real fast in Notepad or some other text editor doesnt make for a
smarter better developer than someone who is able to leverage the tools in
studio - its just makes them a better typist. Equating studio to cheating
yourself of the knowledge learned by notepad coding doesnt fly.

Well.. out a milk... gotta go...

steve




> Here's the deal, i'm so used to the keyboard mentality, that i just want
to
> quick in and out...
>
> I do use other tools, to help with the database stuff like SQL Navigator
3,
> Benthic's Golden32
>
> I just like the olde KISS standard of not using tools that do or have more
> than I really need.
>
> When I first got started in CF, Studio just took up more memory and time
to
> learn, than just using a test editor to plug away and type and peck and
hack
> at the coding...
>
> Now I'm not trying to say my approach is superior or meant for
> everyone...But I have noticed a Conformist Attitude towards everyone
wanting
> to be a like
>
> I really dont't care to do things the way everyone else does...
>
> I like collecting little tools to do exactly and no more than what I need
> them to do...I dislike the feeling that studio is to the coding, what
> frontpage is to the web, a kludge application to help people do the code
for
> them...
>
> I know that isn't true, but it feels like it...After having worked in Tech
> Support, and so many people who use Front Page demanded results without
> wanting to learn about how to get that results
>
> This may be totally inaccurate as to why people use it...
>
> CF Studio just feels like too much of a tool...I like simpler tools...
>
> This isn't a competition, but I was majorly curious as to if I was alone
or
> not...in being a TextPad/ Text Editor user...
>
> It looks like I am to some extant...and that's okay...
>
> Are there any other tools people use other than studio for coding? like
SQL
> Helpers and so on?
>
> Another trend I've noticed is that people who code like to listen to
winamp
> or other music over the internet while working
>
> What do you do?
>
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Re: Query Caching

[Fred Sanders]

I agree with Judah plus it would seem a waste of resources, why not the
Application scope instead? That would make more sense to me. also use the
cachedwithin="()" setting in the query.


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> At 11:23 AM 4/13/00 -0400, you wrote:
> >Yes.  You can save the query to SESSION scope.
> >
> >
> > 
> > 
> > SQL STUFF
> > 
> > 
> >
> >
> >HTH!
> >Sharon
>
> One problem I worry about with this:  Session variables are frequently
> stored in the Registry on NT machines, yes?  So if you had a very large
> query, or quite a few users, you are potentially packing a lot of info
into
> the registry.  Perhaps unwise.
>
> Judah
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