RE: Trying to dynamically populate IFrame content pages...somehow.

2002-12-01 Thread Rick Faircloth
Hi, Christian!

Your were right!

I tried your test and it worked fine.
Put it to the test in my app and it worked perfectly!
I'm not sure why I thought the variables couldn't be sent
through the IFrame Src URL.  I've been working on this for two days
and my mind was getting into quite a fog over it.

I'll have to remember to test approaches simply before putting them
into the complicated apps, where many things can cause them to fail,
not just the approach itself.

I'm still not sure why some of the other approaches weren't working...
but I'm just glad this one is.  I think the IFrames will make a handy design
element.
I haven't used them before.

Are there any issues with using them besides browser compatibility?

Thanks so much for your help!  I will sleep better now!  (2:45am...yawn)

Rick



-Original Message-
From: Christian Cantrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 1:12 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Trying to dynamically populate IFrame content
pages...somehow.


Rick,

Why can't the variables be URL variables?  I think creating them as URL
variables is actually your best bet.  If you use a scope like session
or application, you are certainly looking at race conditions which
cause mysterious bugs like the ones you are describing.  Consider the
following example:


 
 
 


Now filler.cfm:


 #url.myvar#


This code works perfectly, rendering three iframes with documents
containing the numbers 1, 2, and 3.

Hope this helps.

Cantrell

On Monday, December 2, 2002, at 12:51 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote:

> Hi, all.
>
> I was wondering if anyone had any experience with using Cold Fusion
> and IFrames.  I've been trying to setup a page that has one or more
> IFrames,
> depending on query results, that send information to a page that is the
> content
> page for the IFrames.  I loop the output from the query on the first
> page,
> and the IFrames are created and the IFrame content page does display
> in the
> IFrame, but the content is the same for each IFrame content page.
>
> In other words, the page that populates the IFrames is created
> dynamically,
> based
> on the variables sent to it.  When the page holding the IFrames loops
> through its
> query results, those results are sent during each loop to the IFrame
> content
> page
> where it is created dynamically, then the page is brought in to the
> IFrame.
>
> The problem is, the IFrame content page reflects only the last loop's
> variables in all
> three IFrames.  I can't figure out how to get each loop's variables in
> the
> various IFrames.
> Since the variables can't be URL variables or Form variables, I created
> application
> variables so the variables would be available to the IFrame content
> pages.
> That worked, but the only version of the IFrame content page to show
> up in
> the IFrames
> was the version with the last loop's variables.
>
> It seems like what is happening is that the IFrame content page is not
> created until
> the full page is rendered that contains the IFrames.  Then, last, the
> IFrame
> content pages
> are included.  In this case, it's the last loop's variables that show
> up,
> because that's the
> last version of the page that was created before it's inclusion in the
> IFrames.
>
> Most likely, only one version of the IFrame content page can exist at
> one
> time, therefore
> it shows up in each IFrame.  I even tried creating separate IFrame
> content
> pages to
> populate the IFrames, but even then the variables didn't change.  ?
>
> I hope this makes some sense...
>
> This is driving me crazy!
>
> I've just about given up on using IFrames in this manner because they
> just seemed to be more trouble than they are worth...
>
> Rick
>
> -
> Rick Faircloth
> Prism Productions
>
>

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RE: CFMAIL / Multi-Part Emails..

2002-12-01 Thread Matt Robertson
Ugh.  Here's another thread going on now.  You'll see why I say Ugh when
you read the thing.

http://tinyclick.com/?IUF8G0 

--Matt Robertson--
MSB Designs, Inc.
http://mysecretbase.com



-Original Message-
From: Lee Fuller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 8:29 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CFMAIL / Multi-Part Emails..


Ok.. Seems we have a problem sending multi-part from CFMail.  Anyone
know the tips/tricks on making it work?

TTAIA



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RE: CFMX and Multipart Mail

2002-12-01 Thread Matt Robertson
Hmmm.  Then the problem with the junk chars may have been related to
there being *two* ending boundaries in the message.  My alteration
knocked that down to one, since CFMX CFMAIL does its own opening and
closing boundaries no matter what you do, now.

One thing I didn't address is the fact that CFMX puts in boundaries no
matter what, and so does the developer when doing the alternative bit.
Two sets of boundaries... One inside the other.  I wonder how compliant
*that* is.  What a pain this is turning out to be.

--Matt Robertson--
MSB Designs, Inc.
http://mysecretbase.com



-Original Message-
From: Samuel Neff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 2:43 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX and Multipart Mail


The boundaries in a Mutlipart-MIME message are not really equal.  The
last boundary is supposed to have two extra dashes in it.

>From RFC 1341:

   The encapsulation boundary following the last body part is a
   distinguished  delimiter that indicates that no further body
   parts will follow.  Such a delimiter  is  identical  to  the
   previous  delimiters,  with the addition of two more hyphens
   at the end of the line:

http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1341.txt


Sam


> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 3:47 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CFMX and Multipart Mail
(snip)
> 
> Look at your last content boundary statement... see the extra 
> two dashes at the end?  The boundaries should all be 
> identical.  Remove those and your messages will no longer 
> have the junk visible at the end.
> 
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RE: Architecting Tools

2002-12-01 Thread SFN Development
I found a solution to the 'partner resistance' issue...

Take the two car garage as your office. Go to
 and buy bathroom tub wall paneling
(it's really white board) and do one wall in the garage :-)

T

-Original Message-
From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 9:22 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Architecting Tools


> >> done with a large surface
>
> I swear by my 8' by 4' whiteboard in my living room.  :-)
>

My lovely bride wouldn't let that fly... Good thing that Post-its stick
to wall paper!

Jim Davis



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Re: Trying to dynamically populate IFrame content pages...somehow.

2002-12-01 Thread Christian Cantrell
Rick,

Why can't the variables be URL variables?  I think creating them as URL  
variables is actually your best bet.  If you use a scope like session  
or application, you are certainly looking at race conditions which  
cause mysterious bugs like the ones you are describing.  Consider the  
following example:


 
 
 


Now filler.cfm:


 #url.myvar#


This code works perfectly, rendering three iframes with documents  
containing the numbers 1, 2, and 3.

Hope this helps.

Cantrell

On Monday, December 2, 2002, at 12:51 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote:

> Hi, all.
>
> I was wondering if anyone had any experience with using Cold Fusion
> and IFrames.  I've been trying to setup a page that has one or more  
> IFrames,
> depending on query results, that send information to a page that is the
> content
> page for the IFrames.  I loop the output from the query on the first  
> page,
> and the IFrames are created and the IFrame content page does display  
> in the
> IFrame, but the content is the same for each IFrame content page.
>
> In other words, the page that populates the IFrames is created  
> dynamically,
> based
> on the variables sent to it.  When the page holding the IFrames loops
> through its
> query results, those results are sent during each loop to the IFrame  
> content
> page
> where it is created dynamically, then the page is brought in to the  
> IFrame.
>
> The problem is, the IFrame content page reflects only the last loop's
> variables in all
> three IFrames.  I can't figure out how to get each loop's variables in  
> the
> various IFrames.
> Since the variables can't be URL variables or Form variables, I created
> application
> variables so the variables would be available to the IFrame content  
> pages.
> That worked, but the only version of the IFrame content page to show  
> up in
> the IFrames
> was the version with the last loop's variables.
>
> It seems like what is happening is that the IFrame content page is not
> created until
> the full page is rendered that contains the IFrames.  Then, last, the  
> IFrame
> content pages
> are included.  In this case, it's the last loop's variables that show  
> up,
> because that's the
> last version of the page that was created before it's inclusion in the
> IFrames.
>
> Most likely, only one version of the IFrame content page can exist at  
> one
> time, therefore
> it shows up in each IFrame.  I even tried creating separate IFrame  
> content
> pages to
> populate the IFrames, but even then the variables didn't change.  ?
>
> I hope this makes some sense...
>
> This is driving me crazy!
>
> I've just about given up on using IFrames in this manner because they
> just seemed to be more trouble than they are worth...
>
> Rick
>
> -
> Rick Faircloth
> Prism Productions
>
> 
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Trying to dynamically populate IFrame content pages...somehow.

2002-12-01 Thread Rick Faircloth
Hi, all.

I was wondering if anyone had any experience with using Cold Fusion
and IFrames.  I've been trying to setup a page that has one or more IFrames,
depending on query results, that send information to a page that is the
content
page for the IFrames.  I loop the output from the query on the first page,
and the IFrames are created and the IFrame content page does display in the
IFrame, but the content is the same for each IFrame content page.

In other words, the page that populates the IFrames is created dynamically,
based
on the variables sent to it.  When the page holding the IFrames loops
through its
query results, those results are sent during each loop to the IFrame content
page
where it is created dynamically, then the page is brought in to the IFrame.

The problem is, the IFrame content page reflects only the last loop's
variables in all
three IFrames.  I can't figure out how to get each loop's variables in the
various IFrames.
Since the variables can't be URL variables or Form variables, I created
application
variables so the variables would be available to the IFrame content pages.
That worked, but the only version of the IFrame content page to show up in
the IFrames
was the version with the last loop's variables.

It seems like what is happening is that the IFrame content page is not
created until
the full page is rendered that contains the IFrames.  Then, last, the IFrame
content pages
are included.  In this case, it's the last loop's variables that show up,
because that's the
last version of the page that was created before it's inclusion in the
IFrames.

Most likely, only one version of the IFrame content page can exist at one
time, therefore
it shows up in each IFrame.  I even tried creating separate IFrame content
pages to
populate the IFrames, but even then the variables didn't change.  ?

I hope this makes some sense...

This is driving me crazy!

I've just about given up on using IFrames in this manner because they
just seemed to be more trouble than they are worth...

Rick

-
Rick Faircloth
Prism Productions

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RE: Architecting Tools

2002-12-01 Thread Jim Davis
> >> done with a large surface
> 
> I swear by my 8' by 4' whiteboard in my living room.  :-)
> 

My lovely bride wouldn't let that fly... Good thing that Post-its stick
to wall paper!

Jim Davis


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RE: Architecting Tools

2002-12-01 Thread Stacy Young
>> done with a large surface

I swear by my 8' by 4' whiteboard in my living room.  :-)



-Original Message-
From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 12:03 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Architecting Tools

> I'm doing some research on what kinds of design tools ColdFusion 
> developers find useful when initially speccing out a project.  By 
> design, I don't necessarily mean graphic design so much as 
> application 
> architecture, however eventually graphic design has to be taken into 
> account, as well.  For instance, do you use Visio to mock up the 
> interface, or HTML, or just a light-weight version of the app in CF?  
> Do you use Photoshop?  Freehand?  Graph paper (my favorite 
> technique)?  
> How about database design, workflow, and process diagrams?  Any 
> information would be greatly appreciated.

First level of inteface design and flow is done with a large surface and
a butt-load of post-it notes.  Gotta love post it notes!  Gotta love
large surfaces!

The great thing about Post-its is that they can represent anything, but
they look like nothing.  So you can create a post-it representing each
button on a form or process and have a user "run" the application (with
you shoving new post-its under their noses when they "click").

They can go through the whole app and you never here "I'd rather see
that color or that logo" or anything like that - the Post-its let you
focus exclusively on flow and information design without bringing
computer design into the convesation.

I also do a lot of role-play and competator comparison during the
discovery phase.  There's a nice product from http://www.imarkup.com/
that lets you annotate web pages (with drawing, notes, voice recordings,
file attachments, etc) that can really make the competator review stage
a lot easy (you work with your client and capture what they say, then
review it later).

Put post-its on a white board, one for each "page" (content/tool/access
point/etc) of the site and connect the dots to flesh out your
navigational needs.  Once its done transfer it to a digital medium.  I
also like to have a high-quality digital camera around to take snapshots
of the board through out the process.

I'm a Corel Brat from version two so I'm now using version 11 to do most
of my mocks and graphic design (IMHO CorelDraw/PhotoPaint are much
better suited the web work than PhotoShop/Illustrator - although the
latter are much more suited to print work than Corel).

With the Corel Suite alone I can do Flash work (from CorelDraw directly
or via the new CorelRAVE), PDF creation (a standard feature not
requiring Distiller), image maps, cuts, optimizations, etc - it's a very
web-focused package.

Aside from that Visio and Word make a big showing... I use a bastadized
version of the Summit-D methodology and lately I've been mixing that
with a more bastardized version of UML - so Visio and Word are needed
(lots of documentation... Always documentation!)

I like what I see of UML so far... But it's very difficult to apply any
"complete" methodology to the kind of very small projects I freelance
on.  The office is using a REALLY bastardized version of UML although
they think that they're using it properly (at least you'll hear the
management say "actor" and "use case" a lot - even if they don't have a
clue as to what the words mean).

Jim Davis



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RE: Architecting Tools

2002-12-01 Thread Jim Davis
> I'm doing some research on what kinds of design tools ColdFusion 
> developers find useful when initially speccing out a project.  By 
> design, I don't necessarily mean graphic design so much as 
> application 
> architecture, however eventually graphic design has to be taken into 
> account, as well.  For instance, do you use Visio to mock up the 
> interface, or HTML, or just a light-weight version of the app in CF?  
> Do you use Photoshop?  Freehand?  Graph paper (my favorite 
> technique)?  
> How about database design, workflow, and process diagrams?  Any 
> information would be greatly appreciated.

First level of inteface design and flow is done with a large surface and
a butt-load of post-it notes.  Gotta love post it notes!  Gotta love
large surfaces!

The great thing about Post-its is that they can represent anything, but
they look like nothing.  So you can create a post-it representing each
button on a form or process and have a user "run" the application (with
you shoving new post-its under their noses when they "click").

They can go through the whole app and you never here "I'd rather see
that color or that logo" or anything like that - the Post-its let you
focus exclusively on flow and information design without bringing
computer design into the convesation.

I also do a lot of role-play and competator comparison during the
discovery phase.  There's a nice product from http://www.imarkup.com/
that lets you annotate web pages (with drawing, notes, voice recordings,
file attachments, etc) that can really make the competator review stage
a lot easy (you work with your client and capture what they say, then
review it later).

Put post-its on a white board, one for each "page" (content/tool/access
point/etc) of the site and connect the dots to flesh out your
navigational needs.  Once its done transfer it to a digital medium.  I
also like to have a high-quality digital camera around to take snapshots
of the board through out the process.

I'm a Corel Brat from version two so I'm now using version 11 to do most
of my mocks and graphic design (IMHO CorelDraw/PhotoPaint are much
better suited the web work than PhotoShop/Illustrator - although the
latter are much more suited to print work than Corel).

With the Corel Suite alone I can do Flash work (from CorelDraw directly
or via the new CorelRAVE), PDF creation (a standard feature not
requiring Distiller), image maps, cuts, optimizations, etc - it's a very
web-focused package.

Aside from that Visio and Word make a big showing... I use a bastadized
version of the Summit-D methodology and lately I've been mixing that
with a more bastardized version of UML - so Visio and Word are needed
(lots of documentation... Always documentation!)

I like what I see of UML so far... But it's very difficult to apply any
"complete" methodology to the kind of very small projects I freelance
on.  The office is using a REALLY bastardized version of UML although
they think that they're using it properly (at least you'll hear the
management say "actor" and "use case" a lot - even if they don't have a
clue as to what the words mean).

Jim Davis


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Re: CF Studio 4.5 Search Results

2002-12-01 Thread Christian Cantrell
If you view the HTML results in your browser, you can just copy and  
paste from your browser to a text file so you don't have to worry about  
the HTML tags.  Easier than having to strip them.

Cantrell

On Sunday, December 1, 2002, at 11:42 PM, Jim Davis wrote:

> Sort of (I think that it's the same as in 5.0).
>
> When you right click on the results pane you should get the option to
> "browse" results - this will create an HTML page of the results that  
> you
> can save.
>
> You might have to "strip tags" to get a plain list (and even then I
> don't think it's completely plain).
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Jim Davis
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 11:21 PM
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: CF Studio 4.5 Search Results
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know if there's a way to export the search
>> results list from a multi-file search in CF Studio 4.5 to a
>> text file or the like? I've got a search that returned
>> several hundred records and I'd like to be able to save the
>> search criteria, mark my place in the list and go back to it,
>> so I don't have to go through the entire list all in one sitting.
>>
>> s. isaac dealey954-776-0046
>>
>> new epoch  http://www.turnkey.to
>>
>> lead architect, tapestry cms   http://products.turnkey.to
>>
>> certified advanced coldfusion 5 developer
>> http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cf> m?ID=21816
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
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RE: List Dead?

2002-12-01 Thread Lee Fuller
Ack!  Didn't think of that.  But thought I'd leave a tired and
overworked network admin alone for a while.  ;)



| -Original Message-
| From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
| Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 7:33 PM
| To: CF-Talk
| Subject: Re: List Dead?
| 
| 
| I noticed it after not seeing any posts today and not getting 
| a post to CF-RegEx on a visual RegEx builder. You just 
| confirmed it. Now if you emailed me personally, I'd have seen 
| it earlier. :)
| 
| 
| > I just knew you'd grab it just as I thought to mention it.  :)
| >
| > Lee
| >
| >
| > | -Original Message-
| > | From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
| > | Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 3:34 PM
| > | To: CF-Talk
| > | Subject: Re: List Dead?
| > |
| > |
| > | Looks like the scheduler went south and took the lists 
| with it. I'm 
| > | on it.
| > |
| > |
| > | > Anyone home?
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > 
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RE: CF Studio 4.5 Search Results

2002-12-01 Thread Jim Davis
Sort of (I think that it's the same as in 5.0).

When you right click on the results pane you should get the option to
"browse" results - this will create an HTML page of the results that you
can save.

You might have to "strip tags" to get a plain list (and even then I
don't think it's completely plain).

Hope this helps,

Jim Davis

> -Original Message-
> From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 11:21 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: CF Studio 4.5 Search Results
> 
> 
> Does anyone know if there's a way to export the search 
> results list from a multi-file search in CF Studio 4.5 to a 
> text file or the like? I've got a search that returned 
> several hundred records and I'd like to be able to save the 
> search criteria, mark my place in the list and go back to it, 
> so I don't have to go through the entire list all in one sitting.
> 
> s. isaac dealey954-776-0046
> 
> new epoch  http://www.turnkey.to
> 
> lead architect, tapestry cms   http://products.turnkey.to
> 
> certified advanced coldfusion 5 developer 
> http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cf> m?ID=21816
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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CF Studio 4.5 Search Results

2002-12-01 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
Does anyone know if there's a way to export the search results list from a
multi-file search in CF Studio 4.5 to a text file or the like? I've got a
search that returned several hundred records and I'd like to be able to save
the search criteria, mark my place in the list and go back to it, so I don't
have to go through the entire list all in one sitting.

s. isaac dealey954-776-0046

new epoch  http://www.turnkey.to

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Re: List Dead?

2002-12-01 Thread Michael Dinowitz
I noticed it after not seeing any posts today and not getting a post to CF-RegEx
on a visual RegEx builder. You just confirmed it.
Now if you emailed me personally, I'd have seen it earlier. :)


> I just knew you'd grab it just as I thought to mention it.  :)
>
> Lee
>
>
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> |
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> | > Anyone home?
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RE: Architecting Tools

2002-12-01 Thread Lee Fuller
Any idea, Peter, what Adalon costs?



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| I quite like Adalon from Synthis Corp. http://www.synthis.com

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RE: List Dead?

2002-12-01 Thread Lee Fuller
I just knew you'd grab it just as I thought to mention it.  :)

Lee


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RE: Architecting Tools

2002-12-01 Thread Tilbrook, Peter
I quite like Adalon from Synthis Corp. http://www.synthis.com

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From: Christian Cantrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, 2 December 2002 11:50 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Architecting Tools


I'm doing some research on what kinds of design tools ColdFusion 
developers find useful when initially speccing out a project.  By 
design, I don't necessarily mean graphic design so much as application 
architecture, however eventually graphic design has to be taken into 
account, as well.  For instance, do you use Visio to mock up the 
interface, or HTML, or just a light-weight version of the app in CF?  
Do you use Photoshop?  Freehand?  Graph paper (my favorite technique)?  
How about database design, workflow, and process diagrams?  Any 
information would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Cantrell


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Re: Architecting Tools

2002-12-01 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
> Graphics:
> I use Paint Shop Pro to mock up simple graphics, icons and
> text-based images. I use Google's Image Search to 'create'
> more complicated graphics. (Copyright, anyone?)

Ha! Vee don' need no schtinking copyright... ;P

I used to use Paint Shop way back when. I actually preferred it before they
removed all the extra tools when they became more commercial and increased
their price. Since then I've always been much more comfortable with Adobe
Illustrator than with Photoshop. All my non-photorealistic graphics like
logos and such are done with Illustrator. My landscapes I get from clip art,
touch them up and crop to size in Photoshop.

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RE: Architecting Tools

2002-12-01 Thread carl
You might want to look at Adalon over on www.synthis.com

-Original Message-
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To: CF-Talk
Subject: Architecting Tools


I'm doing some research on what kinds of design tools ColdFusion
developers find useful when initially speccing out a project.  By
design, I don't necessarily mean graphic design so much as application
architecture, however eventually graphic design has to be taken into
account, as well.  For instance, do you use Visio to mock up the
interface, or HTML, or just a light-weight version of the app in CF?
Do you use Photoshop?  Freehand?  Graph paper (my favorite technique)?
How about database design, workflow, and process diagrams?  Any
information would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Cantrell


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Re: CFMAIL / Multi-Part Emails..

2002-12-01 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
> Ok.. Seems we have a problem sending multi-part from
> CFMail.  Anyone
> know the tips/tricks on making it work?

> TTAIA

Hi Lee,

Here's a recent thread on the subject from the cf-talk archive:

http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=messages&threadid=184
70&forumid=4#94088

Sorry about the wrap. :)

hth

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RE: Architecting Tools

2002-12-01 Thread Tony Weeg
1. starts with ideas in notepad/on a whiteboard.
2. progresses to visio (if there is db work involved)
3. mock up of logo/interface in photoshop/illustrator 
if there is graphical work to be included.
4. if all things are a go, i then slice up the graphic in photoshop
drop them into a table layout that i have figured out will work, and
then
on to the code.
5. no code until contract is signed and 1/2 deposit is rec'vd

tony


-Original Message-
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Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 8:25 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Architecting Tools


I've used Visio, which I like. I've never used Rational Rose or similar
"heavy-duty" design tools. I've also started the spec for new projects
by
building a preliminary data structure using Enterprise Manager and
screen-capturing a db diagram. This is only if the client is an IT
consulting company or some other technically savvy person(s), since the
db
diagram isn't very meaningful to end users. For everyone else I either
go
straight from description to preliminary functionality or to Visio for a
sitemap or an application flow diagram.

In my case UI design doesn't enter into it until the preliminary
functionality is built, and although I build a style sheet into the
preliminary functionality phase, graphic design isn't considered (much)
until after the UI design is finalized, to prevent wasted efforts on
graphic
designs which have to be entirely scrapped or overhauled due to changes
in
the interface.

I've talked to people who started out as graphic artists and moved into
programming who start with a visual mockup of the front page of the site
or
application using Photoshop and finalize the look and feel before any
functionality is built. I suspect this is largely because where I'm much
more comfortable with code and code revisions, they're much more
comfortable
with photoshop and visual changes.

s. isaac dealey954-776-0046

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> I'm doing some research on what kinds of design tools
> ColdFusion
> developers find useful when initially speccing out a
> project.  By
> design, I don't necessarily mean graphic design so much as
> application
> architecture, however eventually graphic design has to be
> taken into
> account, as well.  For instance, do you use Visio to mock
> up the
> interface, or HTML, or just a light-weight version of the
> app in CF?
> Do you use Photoshop?  Freehand?  Graph paper (my favorite
> technique)?
> How about database design, workflow, and process diagrams?
> Any
> information would be greatly appreciated.

> Thanks,
> Cantrell



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Re: Architecting Tools

2002-12-01 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
I've used Visio, which I like. I've never used Rational Rose or similar
"heavy-duty" design tools. I've also started the spec for new projects by
building a preliminary data structure using Enterprise Manager and
screen-capturing a db diagram. This is only if the client is an IT
consulting company or some other technically savvy person(s), since the db
diagram isn't very meaningful to end users. For everyone else I either go
straight from description to preliminary functionality or to Visio for a
sitemap or an application flow diagram.

In my case UI design doesn't enter into it until the preliminary
functionality is built, and although I build a style sheet into the
preliminary functionality phase, graphic design isn't considered (much)
until after the UI design is finalized, to prevent wasted efforts on graphic
designs which have to be entirely scrapped or overhauled due to changes in
the interface.

I've talked to people who started out as graphic artists and moved into
programming who start with a visual mockup of the front page of the site or
application using Photoshop and finalize the look and feel before any
functionality is built. I suspect this is largely because where I'm much
more comfortable with code and code revisions, they're much more comfortable
with photoshop and visual changes.

s. isaac dealey954-776-0046

new epoch  http://www.turnkey.to

lead architect, tapestry cms   http://products.turnkey.to

certified advanced coldfusion 5 developer
http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=21816

> I'm doing some research on what kinds of design tools
> ColdFusion
> developers find useful when initially speccing out a
> project.  By
> design, I don't necessarily mean graphic design so much as
> application
> architecture, however eventually graphic design has to be
> taken into
> account, as well.  For instance, do you use Visio to mock
> up the
> interface, or HTML, or just a light-weight version of the
> app in CF?
> Do you use Photoshop?  Freehand?  Graph paper (my favorite
> technique)?
> How about database design, workflow, and process diagrams?
> Any
> information would be greatly appreciated.

> Thanks,
> Cantrell


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Re: CFX_IMAGE

2002-12-01 Thread Info
Just put together a thumb nail routine.



The overlay command is copy 5,5,original


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Subject: CFX_IMAGE


> Hey All,
>
> Does anyone have a code snippet showing how to add an image to an existing
> image using CFX_IMAGE?
>
> TIA
>
> Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
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> Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
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RE: Architecting Tools

2002-12-01 Thread Mike Brunt
Christian, there is a whole methodology which grew out of Fusebox and is
still used heavily in Fusebox called FLiP.  There are many open source tools
out there that sprung out of this approach.  Here are some good links on
this subject: -

http://www.clickz.com/sales/traffic/article.php/1491921

http://www.fusebox.org/forums/ (This is the Fusebox Forums lots of good
stupp there including a thread on FLiP)

http://www.fusebox.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=methodology.steps

You do not need to use Fusebox to take advantage of the details in these
locations.  For the record, we do use Fusebox and find it extremely useful
in many many ways. Hth.

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-Original Message-
From: Christian Cantrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 4:50 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Architecting Tools


I'm doing some research on what kinds of design tools ColdFusion
developers find useful when initially speccing out a project.  By
design, I don't necessarily mean graphic design so much as application
architecture, however eventually graphic design has to be taken into
account, as well.  For instance, do you use Visio to mock up the
interface, or HTML, or just a light-weight version of the app in CF?
Do you use Photoshop?  Freehand?  Graph paper (my favorite technique)?
How about database design, workflow, and process diagrams?  Any
information would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Cantrell


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Re: Architecting Tools

2002-12-01 Thread Antony Sideropoulos
Hi

Layout:
I use pencil and paper to lay out tables and forms.  I have seen others use 
Paint Shop Pro to take screen shots and move things around, and then 
implement in HTML using CF Studio 5 (and notepad).

SQL:
I use SQL+ to prepare views and complicated queries.

Site Structure:
Pencil and paper flow charts are the most flexible for me.  If I had better 
Visio skills I would probably use Visio here.

Graphics:
I use Paint Shop Pro to mock up simple graphics, icons and text-based 
images.
I use Google's Image Search to 'create' more complicated graphics.  
(Copyright, anyone?)

Databases:
MS Access to prepare db structure

Project management:
I don't like MS Project - don't like the resource allocation stuff, so I 
just use a flat document like a Word doc or email messages and reminders.

When it's time to display a demo I usually use a light-weight CF App with 
hard-coded data.

HTH

>
>I'm doing some research on what kinds of design tools ColdFusion
>developers find useful when initially speccing out a project.  By
>design, I don't necessarily mean graphic design so much as application
>architecture, however eventually graphic design has to be taken into
>account, as well.  For instance, do you use Visio to mock up the
>interface, or HTML, or just a light-weight version of the app in CF?
>Do you use Photoshop?  Freehand?  Graph paper (my favorite technique)?
>How about database design, workflow, and process diagrams?  Any
>information would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>Cantrell
>
>
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Re: List Dead?

2002-12-01 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Yep, CFExecutive wasn't starting up for some reason and that controls the
scheduler. I've set it to retry a few times if it fails on reboot. This should
go into the FAQ.


> I assumed the same but it looks like the scheduler in CF has decided to go
> totally south. No error messages, no alerts, nothing. I did find the executive
> service not running which may have been an issue, but
> I'm still on it.
>
>
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Anyone home?
> > ---
> >
> > I just assumed it was quiet cos of the US Thanksgiving weekend ;-)
> >
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Architecting Tools

2002-12-01 Thread Christian Cantrell
I'm doing some research on what kinds of design tools ColdFusion 
developers find useful when initially speccing out a project.  By 
design, I don't necessarily mean graphic design so much as application 
architecture, however eventually graphic design has to be taken into 
account, as well.  For instance, do you use Visio to mock up the 
interface, or HTML, or just a light-weight version of the app in CF?  
Do you use Photoshop?  Freehand?  Graph paper (my favorite technique)?  
How about database design, workflow, and process diagrams?  Any 
information would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Cantrell

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RE: List Dead?

2002-12-01 Thread Tony Weeg
the hangover, caused by turkey and beer is amazingly debilitating ;)
we should all be back monday!!

later on list...
tw

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Re: List Dead?

2002-12-01 Thread Michael Dinowitz
I assumed the same but it looks like the scheduler in CF has decided to go
totally south. No error messages, no alerts, nothing. I did find the executive
service not running which may have been an issue, but
I'm still on it.


> - Original Message -
> From: "Lee Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Anyone home?
> ---
>
> I just assumed it was quiet cos of the US Thanksgiving weekend ;-)
>
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Re: [SOT] CFX vs CFObject interface to Java program

2002-12-01 Thread Christian Cantrell
On Sunday, December 1, 2002, at 07:40 AM, Dick Applebaum wrote:

>Can either be recompiled without recycling CFMX (to recognize
>the latest class file)?
>

I have found that both Java classes invoked with cfobject and CFX Java 
implementations do not get re-loaded when the class file changes.  It 
seems the JVM caches them both after initially loading them, requiring 
that the server be restarted for the changes to take effect.  I have 
not looked into a work-around, though, and I should point out that I'm 
using a unsupported configuration of ColdFusion MX (on OS X), but I'm 
not completely surprised by this behavior.  Class-loading can be a 
tricky thing.

>Is there a Java WDDX interface?

Apparently there are WDDX Java libraries available from wddx.org, 
however I have not been able to reach the site this evening to verify.

Cantrell

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Re: List Dead?

2002-12-01 Thread Gyrus
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> Anyone home?
---

I just assumed it was quiet cos of the US Thanksgiving weekend ;-)

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Re: [SOT] CFX vs CFObject interface to Java program

2002-12-01 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Dick Applebaum wrote:
> 
> The interface will invoke several different methods in the Java program,
> for example:
> 
> Get the names of all the Tables in a particular database
> 
> Get the names all the columns in a specific database (in the order 
> defined)
> 
> Get the attributes of columns in a specific database
> 
> Get the ResultSet from executing a database query
> 
> OK?

Looks good.


> My questions are:
> 
>What interface should I use -- the CFX custom tag or cfobject?

>Is it more likely that a remote shared host would install one or the 
> other?

Customtag. I would expect that this is most usefull in a shared hosting 
environment, where access to the database with tools like Enterprise 
manager, SQL+ and psql is restricted and no sane admin would permit 
cfobject on a shared host.

The other option would be to make a nice remotely accessible CFC from 
it. Then the admin could install it in a separate directory, deny access 
to it through direct inclusion for other users and make it available as 
a web service. I imagine some of the more capable Flash programmers 
could build a pretty cool universal database administrator from it :-)

Jochem

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RE: List Dead?

2002-12-01 Thread Mike Brunt
It has been very quiet today but I got your email Lee.

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Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 1:30 PM
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Anyone home?


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Re: List Dead?

2002-12-01 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Looks like the scheduler went south and took the lists with it. I'm on it.


> Anyone home?
>
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List Dead?

2002-12-01 Thread Lee Fuller
Anyone home?

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[SOT] CFX vs CFObject interface to Java program

2002-12-01 Thread Dick Applebaum
I am implementing a generalized process to retrieve DatabaseMetadata 
through the JDBC driver.  This should support any RDBMS that has a JDBC 
driver.

This requires use of a Java program because CFMX cannot be induced to 
create a null (necessary for the interface to the DatabaseMetadata).

Thanks to a lot of help from others, the basics are working:

A CFMX template invokes the Java program, passing a request

   The Java program retrieves the DatabaseMetadata.

   The Java program returns the requested information (usually a
   java.sql.ResultSet or a string) to the CFMX template

   The CFMX template formats and presents the information.

The interface will invoke several different methods in the Java program,
for example:

Get the names of all the Tables in a particular database

Get the names all the columns in a specific database (in the order 
defined)

Get the attributes of columns in a specific database

Get the ResultSet from executing a database query

OK?

My questions are:

   What interface should I use -- the CFX custom tag or cfobject?

   Can either be recompiled without recycling CFMX (to recognize
   the latest class file)?

   Is it more likely that a remote shared host would install one or the 
other?

   Is there a Java WDDX interface?

As Jochem has suggested, a better solution would be for MM to provide a
cfdatabasemetada tag, but until that is available I need to roll my own.

TIA

Dick

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CFMAIL / Multi-Part Emails..

2002-12-01 Thread Lee Fuller
Ok.. Seems we have a problem sending multi-part from CFMail.  Anyone
know the tips/tricks on making it work?

TTAIA


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