RE: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!
There is a reason why companies have support contracts, SLA's, and the result of this is that you get not as much service and support unless you sign an additional contract. This enables people who can live with less service, to also pay not as many as the high end customers. Everybody thinks his own servers are the most important in the rack, and they should have 99,997% uptime, redundant power supplies, advanced air-conditioning, system floors, but honestly ... look at the price you are paying. Do you think you earn super service for that low price? I find it pretty amazing that they sell for 16.95, that is really a blink just guessing at all the costs involved. There is a reason why customers hosting with us pay big bucks (no we are definitely not the cheapest). Bigger income allows us to enable insurances in case something happens, provide failover hardware to redirect requests of a server does not respond, give customers full bandwidth in peak hours, not to mention we have people standby for 24x7 to take action of something happens, and we always have spare parts in case a hard disk crashes. I didn't mention keeping systems updated with latest patches, testing those patches, and keeping people trained in what they do. This all isn't cheap; in order to provide customers with the service they request they just have to pay more. If you really demand higher uptimes, better service, you really must look for less cheaper alternatives. Either with CrystalTech were you might get your own dedicated managed server if you pay more, or with another hoster which I guess will not be any cheaper. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 31 maart 2005 8:22 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CrystalTech does not like negative comments! Thats great and all Micha until you become one of the unhappy customers, they should care about EVERY customer not about how many customers they have. I'm sure they are an ok host but through what I have read and what actions they have done that Tim is gunna ruin their business. If Tim can't handle seeing some negitivity and grow from it and make the business better then perhaps they should get someone who can achieve that. Maybe McDonalds over there is $16.95 but it's not here (2 double cheese burgers, fries and 2 pies = $5.32) and that's more than my clients pay a month for a host who obviously shows more concern for them and their business then some others do. Most of them don't have a clue who their host is and when they become one of the unhappy customers because of the shotty job by the host it comes back to you because to them the host and you are the same. While a lot of these people are happy with them they also seem to be the ones who haven't changed or upgraded servers or platforms in years so it's not that much of an issue but when the day comes see what happens. Maybe in a case like yours where you don't have to send your clients to a shared host it's all dandy but for those of us who do it is a big deal because it reflects on you. Know what I mean Vern? :) From: Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 2:00 AM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: CrystalTech does not like negative comments! I guess CT has 1000+ happy customers, and 10 unhappy customers ... seems fair to me for the low prices people pay. If the site was really important, the customers should have payed more than 16,95 (That is only one McDonalds order!) or they should have looked for SLA agreements. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl -
RE: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!
As far as I go, I never cared nor asked about the cheapest prices, I asked for who was the best, period And I got HMS. Thats great you guys offer all that Micha but so does HMS, so if you want to talk cost, why would I pay more for yours when I already get it? Do you think you earn super service for that low price? No, but if they offer it should I not take it just because they are cheaper than you? Should I get a state-of-the-art data center because they are cheaper than you? Well sure if they offer it. http://www.hostmysite.com/datacenter/ I find it pretty amazing that they sell for 16.95 With a yr paid smarterlinux account at HMS its like $11.45 a month, quite a bit cheaper than that price. not to mention we have people standby for 24x7 So does most any good host. I call HMS all the time at 4am and get all I need done. If a server goes down there they have technicians there to fix it or it rolls over to the other data center, if a tornado rips through there building the sites roll over to the other data center, if the power goes out they have massive diesel generators that can run indefinately. This enables people who can live with less service, to also pay not as many as the high end customers. Shouldn't a high end customer be running their own servers anyway? So I'm not really sure what you are trying to say Micha? From: Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 3:07 AM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: CrystalTech does not like negative comments! There is a reason why companies have support contracts, SLA's, and the result of this is that you get not as much service and support unless you sign an additional contract. This enables people who can live with less service, to also pay not as many as the high end customers. Everybody thinks his own servers are the most important in the rack, and they should have 99,997% uptime, redundant power supplies, advanced air-conditioning, system floors, but honestly ... look at the price you are paying. Do you think you earn super service for that low price? I find it pretty amazing that they sell for 16.95, that is really a blink just guessing at all the costs involved. There is a reason why customers hosting with us pay big bucks (no we are definitely not the cheapest). Bigger income allows us to enable insurances in case something happens, provide failover hardware to redirect requests of a server does not respond, give customers full bandwidth in peak hours, not to mention we have people standby for 24x7 to take action of something happens, and we always have spare parts in case a hard disk crashes. I didn't mention keeping systems updated with latest patches, testing those patches, and keeping people trained in what they do. This all isn't cheap; in order to provide customers with the service they request they just have to pay more. If you really demand higher uptimes, better service, you really must look for less cheaper alternatives. Either with CrystalTech were you might get your own dedicated managed server if you pay more, or with another hoster which I guess will not be any cheaper. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 31 maart 2005 8:22 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CrystalTech does not like negative comments! Thats great and all Micha until you become one of the unhappy customers, they should care about EVERY customer not about how many customers they have. I'm sure they are an ok host but through what I have read and what actions they have done that Tim is gunna ruin their business. If Tim can't handle seeing some negitivity and grow from it and make the business better then perhaps they should get someone who can achieve that. Maybe McDonalds over there is $16.95 but it's not here (2 double cheese burgers, fries and 2 pies = $5.32) and that's more than my clients pay a month for a host who obviously shows more concern for them and their business then some others do. Most of them don't have a clue who their host is and when they become one of the unhappy customers because of the shotty job by the host it comes back to you because to them the host and you are the same. While a lot of these people are happy with them
RE: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!
If you do not understand one single part of my arguments, then this discussion clearly has no ending. I think my arguments are very clear and widely used in commercial organizations. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200910 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!
Ok to me what you are saying is that a host who has a good price is a crappy host even though they offer the same services and service as your higher priced service just because they are cheaper than you, therefore they possibly can't be as good as the service your company offers because you charge more. Is that correct? The theory you describe is in fact a logical way too work but I would sure like too see exactly what else your company offers that makes it better than whats available here. I think every example you gave is what is already given by the before mentioned host just because you don't understand how they can do it cheaper doesn't mean your company is better. Actually, maybe it's the other way around, since they obviously do have it figured out. If you want to prove your point then lets just see these things. just sayin... From: Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 3:51 AM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: CrystalTech does not like negative comments! If you do not understand one single part of my arguments, then this discussion clearly has no ending. I think my arguments are very clear and widely used in commercial organizations. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200911 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: JSESSIONID - Help
On Friday 18 Mar 2005 14:47 pm, Ryan Duckworth wrote: In CF (6.1 - updater) we have Use J2EE session variables unchecked in the CF Admin, but we are getting users who are getting JSESSIONID in their cookies. Are you using the bundled JRun or some other container ? -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200912 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!
This debate has been hashed not just in ISP's but also online games, point and case is this. Its a company that has an enormous customer base, now whether you or I end up getting the shortest straw in Customer Service is simply a matter of fate. There is always a situation where once a company becomes popular and selling a product at a lower cost, things go pair shape. Its a classic tale told many times over and over (DELL, Alienware, Blizzard, Macromedia, Microsoft etc list goes on and on). If you are paying for a cheap hosting provider and suddenly become shocked as to how they treat you, as if you were this gold client who pays them $1000.00 a day to be at your bekandcall (couldn't spull that heh) then you are simply setting yourself up for the fall. I'm a freakin magnet to aligning myself with companies that walk over me, read MossyBlog in the last year alone and you would of seen how much crap i went through in just buying a laptop worth $4.5k - premium - yet i got bad customer service. I think what Micha and others are trying to get across the plate, is that it happens nothing you can do about it but whine in some forum where they probably couldn't give two hoots as to what your opinion is saying as chances are there profit margins speak enough volumes. 1) If the customer service was so dramatically bad, the fall rate in profits each month would send a signal loud and clear - but clearly - they seem to be doing healthy business all said and done. I recommend them to people I know as a pretty cruisy isp thats cheap? yet this is the first i'm hearing of bad CS? am i going to stop recommending them? no as i've seen no clear evidence as to what you say is wide-spread amongst its customer base. 2) If they delete posts on a forum such as this, in all honesty its probably a position they would rather take in terms of a one sided argument. Arguing with a customer publically is purely bad PR regardless if you win or lose. Its why large businesses do everything they can to shut you up and throw gift packs at you, to simply get you fixed and at best into a neutral gear instead of an aggressive one. So don't be shocked that they shove your post(s) into a trash bin as it could be a once of thing, it could be a petty argumentive issue - or they could simply not wish to face the music publically. 3) ISP and Bad Customer Services have been a freakin tradition since early 90's, hell I can remember ISP's that used to take your money for 3 months and suddenly close shop and your hanging in the wind - heh remember the dot bomb years - so are we shocked that an ISP has consistent downtimes or that they have to take stuff down in order to maintain it? if you are clearly you are living in a dream industry where software gets delivered on time and under budget aswell. Clue up and get onboard with whats happening, its fast money and competitve industry and i'm sure all web hosting providers who sell at a cheap rate will go through this. Now if i hosted my server through Intel or even bigger higher paid providers, and this crap were to go on - then yes - clearly you are asking for enterprise level business where its simply critical that a site stays online - in that it could mean millions lost not thousands or hundred. That or information, critical to a 100million+ company needs in order to run for the day. Its like taking a holiday on a small budget and pissing and moaning as to why you didn't get slippers, robe and champagne on arrival - that and why is the pool got dog poo in it and what not. Thats the key issue here, shared hosting is crap - plus you can totally screw people over in CFMX on a shared provider simply by peeking into Application scope or if they aren't clued up, CFFILE - delete/read etc... its dodge and its not really suited for critical applications/websites. Get an Instance based server at the very least - that or you own dedicated server - then at least you have more buying power and are treated a bit more seriously as a customer. Money talks volumes. On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 04:01:30 -0500, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok to me what you are saying is that a host who has a good price is a crappy host even though they offer the same services and service as your higher priced service just because they are cheaper than you, therefore they possibly can't be as good as the service your company offers because you charge more. Is that correct? The theory you describe is in fact a logical way too work but I would sure like too see exactly what else your company offers that makes it better than whats available here. I think every example you gave is what is already given by the before mentioned host just because you don't understand how they can do it cheaper doesn't mean your company is better. Actually, maybe it's the other way around, since they obviously do have it figured out. If you want to prove your point then lets just see these things. just sayin...
Re: Table name - Singular or plural?
Calvin Ward wrote: Then it is still inconsistent, since Variables refers to the content of the scope and Request refers to where the scope is available. That is a different matter: the consistency I'm talking about is how pluralisation relates to their actual name. In such cases, it's consistent. While we are at it though, Client, Cookie, Session, Application, Server, and CGI are all singular as well. And the only one that can be seen as inconsistent in that whole list is COOKIE. K. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200914 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Table name - Singular or plural?
Calvin Ward wrote: I can definitely understand that, however I would also rather be referring to a single doctor by doctors.firstname as well. Seeing as I use aliases extensively, that's never cropped up for me. K. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200915 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!
Very true Scott and I can agree with most everything you say. My thing with Micha is that he assumes that everyone clients spend 200k+ on their websites and in which case sure they can afford to go for the extra service. But really what this was about are clients who spend a few thousand and/or really don't know the whole other end which is the host, which is our jobs to convey but truthfully most of them could careless and don't listen anyways but in the end it's deemed that it's the developers fault not the host because to them the host doesnt exist. The person who started this (connie) said she just listed some verifiable error or concerns on there forums which they promply deleted. I think in that situation the responsible thing to do for them was to leave the post and show that they fixed the issues. I was just saying my position is that thats thats what I like to see in a service provider for those poor souls who must depend on a shared hosting enviroment. Anyways, you gotta love the new version! Damn, I am having a blast with flash forms! From: Scott Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 4:48 AM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: CrystalTech does not like negative comments! This debate has been hashed not just in ISP's but also online games, point and case is this. Its a company that has an enormous customer base, now whether you or I end up getting the shortest straw in Customer Service is simply a matter of fate. There is always a situation where once a company becomes popular and selling a product at a lower cost, things go pair shape. Its a classic tale told many times over and over (DELL, Alienware, Blizzard, Macromedia, Microsoft etc list goes on and on). If you are paying for a cheap hosting provider and suddenly become shocked as to how they treat you, as if you were this gold client who pays them $1000.00 a day to be at your bekandcall (couldn't spull that heh) then you are simply setting yourself up for the fall. I'm a freakin magnet to aligning myself with companies that walk over me, read MossyBlog in the last year alone and you would of seen how much crap i went through in just buying a laptop worth $4.5k - premium - yet i got bad customer service. I think what Micha and others are trying to get across the plate, is that it happens nothing you can do about it but whine in some forum where they probably couldn't give two hoots as to what your opinion is saying as chances are there profit margins speak enough volumes. 1) If the customer service was so dramatically bad, the fall rate in profits each month would send a signal loud and clear - but clearly - they seem to be doing healthy business all said and done. I recommend them to people I know as a pretty cruisy isp thats cheap? yet this is the first i'm hearing of bad CS? am i going to stop recommending them? no as i've seen no clear evidence as to what you say is wide-spread amongst its customer base. 2) If they delete posts on a forum such as this, in all honesty its probably a position they would rather take in terms of a one sided argument. Arguing with a customer publically is purely bad PR regardless if you win or lose. Its why large businesses do everything they can to shut you up and throw gift packs at you, to simply get you fixed and at best into a neutral gear instead of an aggressive one. So don't be shocked that they shove your post(s) into a trash bin as it could be a once of thing, it could be a petty argumentive issue - or they could simply not wish to face the music publically. 3) ISP and Bad Customer Services have been a freakin tradition since early 90's, hell I can remember ISP's that used to take your money for 3 months and suddenly close shop and your hanging in the wind - heh remember the dot bomb years - so are we shocked that an ISP has consistent downtimes or that they have to take stuff down in order to maintain it? if you are clearly you are living in a dream industry where software gets delivered on time and under budget aswell. Clue up and get onboard with whats happening, its fast money and competitve industry and i'm sure all web hosting providers who sell at a cheap rate will go through this. Now if i hosted my server through Intel or even bigger higher paid providers, and this crap were to go on - then yes - clearly you are asking for enterprise level business where its simply critical that a site stays online - in that it could mean millions lost not thousands or hundred. That or information, critical to a 100million+ company needs in order to run for the day. Its like taking a holiday on a small budget and pissing and moaning as to why you didn't get slippers, robe and champagne on arrival - that and why is the pool got dog poo in it and what not. Thats the key issue here, shared hosting is crap - plus you can totally screw people over in CFMX on a shared provider simply by peeking into
Re: Table name - Singular or plural?
S.Isaac Dealey wrote: Say I'm a Spaniard or Hispanophone. Plurals in Spanish always end in -es. Is using plurals for tables names more consistant in Spanish than English? Of course not. Assuming that statement is true, yes it does. I was talking about syntactical consistency, in which, if I have a rule that all names are appended with x, then that is a consistent syntactical rule. If I then amend my rule to say that all names are appended with x -- except for names we don't feel like appending with x (which is how the rules for plurals in English work) then the syntax rule is inconsistent. That appears overly rigid to me. The only reason why there's inconsistency in English plurals is phonological. -s and -es are both the same morpheme. If you were to ask a linguist if there was inconsistency here, they'd definitely say no. There is no way of automating the rule -- it requires manual entry of a dictionary to explain what names are random exceptions to the rule -- and that's really the whole point -- plurals in english are arbitrarily random. A consistently applied syntax rule may be abritrary but is not random. It's rather simple, and doesn't require a special rule, at least not for native germanic words (and a good deal of the romance ones and others in the language, spare the odd irregular ones like oxen, children, and the strong nouns). If a world ends in a sibilant (s, z, sh, x [really ks], ch [really tsh]); the soft g is also a sibilant, but owing to other complications doesn't really figure in this), -es is used. If it ends in -y, -ies is used. Otherwise -s. It's quite simple. Or let's take Gaelic: nouns in Gaelic come in various declensions, and the plural of a word varies depending on its declension (and various complex phonological considerations: oh wait! that's why English has two plural endings!). What english do you speak? I can think of several... s, es, i, a -- Let's take them: -s and -es are really the same morpheme, -i and -a are latinate ones that are barely used in modern English. Not only that, but many of those plurals have morphed into collective nouns (data being one such). and that's not even including the cases in which the plural of a word has almost nothing to do with the word in question (person/people, You'll notice that person and people are not related. You'll also notice that people is a collective noun, not a plural. The plural of person is, wait for it, persons. goose/geese, mouse/mice). Irregular nouns. Give us a break! It could be -anna, -í, -e, -a, the noun could undergo palatalisation of the final consonant, c. Does this make using pluralisation more consistant in English than Gaelic? Nope. Yep. This goidelophone wishes to disagree. But when it comes down to it, this is all convention. I pluralise because bits of SQL like SELECT ... FROM products ..., INSERT INTO products ..., UPDATE products ..., and DELETE FROM products ... read better than me because these work on sets of entities as opposed to singular entities. When it comes down to it, how it sounds is really the only way of justifying it. It's not the only reason, but it's the reason most commonly understood. (Re: previous post regarding automation of table names). And we write code for humans to understand, not computers. Really if you want to run the length of the argument then you could just as easily name your classes plural as well, and technically a class does describe a collection of objects (their type), though when we write code we don't generally think of a class that way, we think of it as being singular even though we then instantiate objects to create what are actually singular entities of type. A class is not a collection of objects. A class is is a description of a type of object. Table != class. That's a red herring. OTOH, I pluralise the names of real collections of object, such as arrays, where it makes sense. K. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200917 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Table name - Singular or plural?
S.Isaac Dealey wrote: Ack! Strawman argument! You're picking on a weakness of English rather actually arguing about whether pluralisation is a good thing or not. How about this: If you like to have singular named class names, the name of the class matches the name of the table and as a result can be automated. I.e. address.cfc matches the address table, contact.cfc matches the contact table and addendum.cfc matches the addendum table. If plural table names are used, there isn't consistency and as a result, class names must also be plural or there can be no automation between the class and the table. That is a red herring. K. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200918 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Table name - Singular or plural?
Dave Watts wrote: You are trying way too hard to justify your position. I can guarantee you that no one at Allaire spent as much time figuring out how to name variable scopes as you've spent figuring out how to fit them within your argument. You are seeing patterns where none actually exist. I don't disagree. I'm just saying that there's no big inconsistency in the naming. I'm tired of this. I'm off to find other things to be grumpy about. :-) K. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200919 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: ListAppend and delimiter question
Charles Heizer wrote: I have a strange question, I think. Can a delimiter be only one character? I'm trying to do a sql statement and I wanted to use ListAppend and specify the delimiter as AND Example ... cfset tmpWhere = ListAppend(tmpWhere,c,AND) But when I view the list I only see A as the delimiter. Is this a bug or is this how it should be? Nope, that's exactly how it's supposed to work. http://livedocs.macromedia.com/coldfusion/6.1/htmldocs/functib4.htm K. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200920 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Table name - Singular or plural?
Mark Davis wrote: This has to be the stupidest and most wasteful thread I have ever seen. STFU! You know, I agree with you that it's a bit stupid, just like any one of the holy wars. But luck at it this way: at least nobody brought up code layout style. Oops! ;-) K. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200921 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
asynchronous logging
I just finished the final tests on asynchronous logging for House of Fusion and the results are fantastic! Having the logging operations 'thrown' to an asynchronous process instead of being part of a page call is showing a nice performance boost. I still have to test it under load, but it looks like a very valid way of saving page display time. If I don't have time to do a Captivate presentation on the subject I'll be sure to do a 'on the spot' presentation at Powered by Detroit. Actually, the way things look I may be doing a few of those. There are some nice things that can be done with CFMX 7. The specifics of my logging is to have a cached 'site' object which is called on a per page basis. This object takes all the CGI and other data I want and throws it to the asynchronous process. This process then does all the data conversion such as converting the agent type into an id number and the like. The resultant data is then stored in a DB. All of this overhead process is done away from the calling page and does not slow it down. Yes, it's really as simple as I just described. 1. Collect data 2. Invoke asynchronous gateway 3. There is no step 3 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200922 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: STFU was RE: Table name - Singular or plural?
Adam Haskell wrote: The simple solution to ajax is STFU: Simultanious Transactions with iFrames Unexposed. best I could come up with :) Better yet: Simultaneous Transactions with Frames Unused. (Owing to the fact that the Ajax freaks talk about using XMLHttpRequest as opposed to the older methods.) K. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200923 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: ListAppend and delimiter question
Sam Farmer wrote: I'll leave it to others to classify it as a bug or a feature. It's a feature (I think). Not that I've ever had reason to use or allow for alternative delimiters in CF yet... I get around it by doing this: cfset tmpWhere = ListAppend(tmpWhere,c,~) and then when done with all my list appends: cset tmpWhere = replace(tmpWhere,~, AND ,all) FWIW, I use listchangedelims(tmpWhere, ' AND ', '~') in similar circumstances; it's worth noting that arraytolist() also allows a multi-char delimiter - I often build query where clauses in arrays and glue them together that way. -- Pete Jordan Horus Web Engineering Ltd http://www.webhorus.net/ ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200924 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 05:02:42 -0500, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very true Scott and I can agree with most everything you say. My thing with Micha is that he assumes that everyone clients spend 200k+ on their websites and in which case sure they can afford to go for the extra service. But really what this was about are clients who spend a few thousand and/or really don't know the whole other end which is the host, which is our jobs to convey but truthfully most of them could careless and don't listen anyways but in the end it's deemed that it's the developers fault not the host because to them the host doesnt exist. As if companies can't afford 200k hehehe.. yeah some companies do it on the dodge while others (like my work) will happily part with $100k to keep me from bugging them about writing UI in DHTML when FLEX is available... i am spoiled..and i know it but i have had the misfortune of working for companies where it was expected that I pirate the software i need in order to do my job - thankfully those days are behind me and i now just focus on pirating xbox ga...errr...umm.. hehehe.. I've seen Micha around the web quite a bit and can come off pretty strong but nothing that would put my nose out of joint. He maybe coming from the soft-enterprise world where I am sitting where it rains money, lolliepops and rainbows every day - that or dilbert comic - and its easy to simply fall into the trap of expecting companies to spend money on situations that call for it - i myself follow this trap often. Yet it does strike at the heart of a problem, in that if a company sole existance depends on something as critical as a website, then they are stupid for not pooring the entire warchest into making sure it works... The person who started this (connie) said she just listed some verifiable error or concerns on there forums which they promply deleted. I think in that situation the responsible thing to do for them was to leave the post and show that they fixed the issues. I was just saying my position is that thats thats what I like to see in a service provider for those poor souls who must depend on a shared hosting enviroment. Anyways, you gotta love the new version! Damn, I am having a blast with flash forms! Yeah deletion of any public content online is typically a cowardly act but its their play pen and if they don't like it, they can pick up their toys and go home. Childish as it maybe but in 4 months time who will remember what that post was about (or this one) and so the ripple fades and life goes on ;) -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com http://www.flexcoder.com (Coming Soon) ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200925 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Giving back to CF-TALK
You are the reason why spam exists. heheh. On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:20:04 -0500, Rick Root [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me preface this by stating that I am NOT asking any of you to help me get a free anything. I am going to ask if any of you want me to help YOU get a free seomthing. A few months ago, someone sent me a silly little flash animation that basically says I LIKE YOU!. I placed it on my web server (at work, foolishly), and sent links out to a few friends of mine. This was back in december. Well, I looked at the logs the other day, and found that the SWF file had received nearly 2,000,000 requests THIS MONTH ALONE. WOW! Needless to s tay, I moved it off onto my own server, where it sits happily collecting hits. I put my Free Ipod link on it, and within 3 hours, had 15 referrals. It only takes 5 to get a free ipod. SO... ANYONE on this list that has ever done the free ipod thing but has *NOT* gotten their referrals - send me your affiliate ID off list. I'll rotate them in randomly =) Thanks to all the cf-talkers who've helped me solve problems over the years! - Rick ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200926 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!
There is a big difference between spending 200.000+ and 200 per year Dave. If you say suppliers of web development services got a bad name because CT cannot give them the service they require for that amount of money, I say too bad, they asked for it (if you meant it that way). Leave it up to companies who really know how to deal with professional hosting activities, agreements, contracts, risk management and consultancy. There are plenty, who do know how to handle commercial hosting and do not look at only the price tag. And they have very reasonable pricing. Every company, going to the web, doing web marketing, spending salaries on people managing the websites, paying for search engine ranking, creation of the front-end, and end up making the choice to select the foundation of their web activities, the hosting company, on a cheap ass hosting agreement are shooting themselves in the feet. Don't expect a Mercedes if you paid for a Ford, that's all I am trying to communicate. If you want the leather package (service contract), buy it and sign that contract which enables you to prevent any brand damage to the company. If the company finds your prices to high despite you arguments of higher service level, guarantees, etc , fine, let him search the appropriate hosting and let go of the risk. If you want quality, expect to pay for it. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200927 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: ooa, ood, oop and design patterns
As Joe points out CFCDev is the happy-joy-land in terms of this subject, - be warned stay on topic - as i'm popping in / out of this list a lot over the years and see quite a lot of bantering/thread hijacking/flaming etc back and forth (more power to the list i guess we are all stressed hehehe) but i like CFCDev for staying ontopic 99.9% of the time - which is a good trait. That being said, creating lists such as the ones you outlined would be to fragemented in my opinion, i'd like to see it more consolidated to a list like CFCDev where patterns and all that which is OO goodness is given a healthy kick. Over the past few months, a lot of us i guess have gotten love stricken with the concepts of DAO/DG/Managers/Mach-II/Beans-OR-BusinessObjects/Factory Patterns and what not.. i myself went a bit pattern frenzy but thats cool as it opens up to possibilities of how to architect now vs just code. I wish more people would create blogs on the very subject and air there thoughts as its been sucessful for devs like Joe, Matt and many many others (myself included) to bare ones soul about their knowledge/learning experience on OO development with CFMX. -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com http://www.flexcoder.com (Coming Soon) ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200928 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Flash Forms Question...
I've wondered the same thing myself, and officially i've been told the behaviour capabilities of Flash Forms are limited if not non-existant. I've been meaning to sit down and see if i can decorate a SWF with behaviours and while i mentioned that to Mr Bluntel himself to which he gave me a no comment reply. Whether he knows something he's not willing to share or it could be a i dare you to do it.. I'm also pondering on the merits of writing a SWF container, that you LOAD into then hijacking certain innerds. Thats probably the only way I can personally think of in terms of giving a flash form behaviour as it seems MM went out of their way to make sure they worked in a pretty simplistic way.*cough* upsell flex *cough* hehe. On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:11:11 -0400, John Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible to update the content of flash forms with AS listener methods without refreshing page. Im trying to achieve an an interface that is updated after a function has been called in a cfc to update a grid. I am doubtful its possible without a full Flash implentation, but I was hoping to get a concrete answer. TIA, John ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200930 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Has anyone else applied this patch yet???
We're looking into this right now. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Stephen Dupre Macromedia QA I sent Feedback on the kb article explaining the fix on MM's site yesterday. No response. Any MM'ers reading this?? -Original Message- From: Paul Vernon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 4:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Has anyone else applied this patch yet??? Just as an update the following code also fails to work with the patch... cfheader statuscode=301 statustext=This page has been permanently moved cfheader name=Location value=/ cfabort cfheader statuscode=302 statustext=Temporarily moved cfheader name=Location value=/ cfabort So I would think that the CF patch isn't returning the headers correctly when there is no data in the content part of the request response. Paul ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200930 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
MM Hotfix Question
I'm considering updating MX6.1 with the DataDirect Sequelink ODBC Server to V5.4 (article e917887), but I noticed the last line in the tech article which gave me pause. Note: The server is a non-unicode enabled server compatible with the current 6.1 installation. I run primarily SQL 2000 with a few real small sites on Access 2000 (which will be removed later this year). Why in the world would I want to use/upgrade to a non-unicode server? Thanks, Mark ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200931 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!
[snip] Don't expect a Mercedes if you paid for a Ford, that's all I am trying Hey i own a fordand in Australia it ended up costing just as much as Mercedes...hmmm..XR8lets not fight about cars... hehe but amen Micha, hit the nail right on the head as they say... boys got skills, i'll give em that. -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com http://www.flexcoder.com (Coming Soon) ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200932 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Flash Forms Question...
I believe I have read that Macromedia also stated, to use Flash Forms only for simple hit n run things. It is not meant to be highly advanced, merely a piece of equipment to get you up and running fast for simple quick n dirty data entry. Wish to do more advanced Flash, then there is Flex, or FlashMx itself :) Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200933 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: ooa, ood, oop and design patterns
Always nice to see a new comrade crawl out of the woodwork. :) I have to say, though, I'm kind of conflicted over the idea of adding lists to the array of available choices... (CF is leaking into my conversational speech... ugh.) Anyway... I tend to think that more choice is a good thing. I also tend to think that fragmentation is bad. I can understand the thought process on both sides of the issue. I thought, a while back when it came up, that a CF-OOP list here at HoF would't be a bad idea. I'm still not sure it IS a bad idea. I'm already on 4 HoF lists, and it's sort of the global CF mailing list clearinghouse. I do, completely understand the arguments against it, though... CFCDev is out there. While it may not be as heavily trafficked as the HoF lists, it does its job. I dunno... I tend to think that archtecture (systems), design (components/patterns), and development (code) are all different enough that it warrants separate containers for discussion. What's not OT in the design category is conceivably entirely OT in the architecture category. I know they're all related, and indeed I can see value in crossover conversations between them. I still tend to think it may not be a bad idea to have some more options. Something to think about, anyway... Laterz, J On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:22:07 +1000, Scott Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As Joe points out CFCDev is the happy-joy-land in terms of this subject, - be warned stay on topic - as i'm popping in / out of this list a lot over the years and see quite a lot of bantering/thread hijacking/flaming etc back and forth (more power to the list i guess we are all stressed hehehe) but i like CFCDev for staying ontopic 99.9% of the time - which is a good trait. That being said, creating lists such as the ones you outlined would be to fragemented in my opinion, i'd like to see it more consolidated to a list like CFCDev where patterns and all that which is OO goodness is given a healthy kick. Over the past few months, a lot of us i guess have gotten love stricken with the concepts of DAO/DG/Managers/Mach-II/Beans-OR-BusinessObjects/Factory Patterns and what not.. i myself went a bit pattern frenzy but thats cool as it opens up to possibilities of how to architect now vs just code. I wish more people would create blogs on the very subject and air there thoughts as its been sucessful for devs like Joe, Matt and many many others (myself included) to bare ones soul about their knowledge/learning experience on OO development with CFMX. -- Regards, Scott Barnes -- Continuum Media Group LLC Burnsville, MN 55337 http://www.web-relevant.com http://www.web-relevant.com/blogs/cfobjective ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200934 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Flash Forms Question...
Aye, they in many ways were showing off in imho, saying ya know this is what Flash can do..go awn...embrace thine flash...you luv it..admit it..you do.. Sillyness aside i guess if they gave us more behaviour capabilities behind Flash Forms were would they be expected to stop? next will be Flash Remoting and what not... Give a mouse a cookie, and it will want milk next. Makes you stop and wonder about how CF and Flash may co-exist in the near future ;) On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:33:08 +0200, Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe I have read that Macromedia also stated, to use Flash Forms only for simple hit n run things. It is not meant to be highly advanced, merely a piece of equipment to get you up and running fast for simple quick n dirty data entry. Wish to do more advanced Flash, then there is Flex, or FlashMx itself :) -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com http://www.flexcoder.com (Coming Soon) ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200935 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Ajax
Heh sorry if this thread was dead and burried an I resurrected (bored, sifting through the cf-talk archives). On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:37:37 +0100, Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One last comment .. made by Erik Arvidsson.. seems he agrees. Very, very, very hard indeed. Writing a mail application is hard using any toolkit. (Just look at Mozilla Thunderbird.) The same applies to Google maps. Sure some things might have been easier with WinForms, Avalon or Lazslo but the application in itself is the biggest part of the development time and cost. The biggest short coming with HTML/XML and scripting is indeed the lack of good reusable components (and sometime a unified application framework). I think if IE supported DOM level 2 and XBL2 I think it would totally kill the alternative frameworks (as long as some the different platforms are compatible enough with each other). I thought i would focus on one key aspect that Erik has outlined. Re-usable Components. There is only a handful online that are actually worth anything, Eriks got one of them. The key aspect of what made AJAX - or what i like to call - DHTML Remoting, was that GMAIL made it look easy enough (in terms of UI not serverside). You compare Flex, Flash, Lazlo, Cocoon, .NET Window Forms etc list goes on...against Javascript and it feels like comparing a monkey to a human. Sure monkey can do certain things a human can, but it needs to be trained hard and taken lots of time / investement to do these things. Javascript is horrible, I am sorry but its borderline bugware as the amount of hurdles you have to overcome is sheer madness. As Micha pointed out, knowing which hurdles to jump and which ones to dodge are the key, and you can't get this from a course or textbook. Its something that you have to sit down daily and read website after website / forum after forum to grasp and hold in check. basic Behaviour building isn't that hard, architecting an application like GMAIL or a serious JavaScript driven UI framework is extremly hard - its why there aren't many around as its just a nightmare to get off the ground. I've build approx 4 of them, one using a combination of CF Custom Tags and JavaScript to emulate what FLEX does now - i ended up throwing in the towel as its just a big waste of time and energy. Reason I know its always going to be held hostage to a browser. JavaScript imho is a hard language to architect, not code. -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com http://www.flexcoder.com (Coming Soon) ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200936 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: What's wrong with the Javascript?
Whoa! Talk about syntax picky! That did it...simply changing the s to S made it work. And I thought CF could be picky sometimes! Thanks for the tip, Jim, and the other info... Rick -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 11:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: What's wrong with the Javascript? Off the top of my head I think the property is defaultStatus - capital S. Coming from CF case sensitivity in JS will slap you around like a red-headed step child. ;^) Just so you know what's happening tho: JavaScript is an open prototype language. This means you can add things (properties, functions, events, etc) to the objects on the fly anytime you like. In your case you're actually creating a brand new property on the statusbar object called defaultstatus. The system doesn't have anything to do with it but it is there and can be used for something. This is why you're not getting an error. This capability can be INSANELY useful however. A great use is in adding information to form elements. You might, for example, add a property called LastUpdate to all your form elements - you can then set this to the current date/time onChange(). Another process might run on an interval which loops through the form elements on a page and checks the LastUpdate dates to see which form elements have been changed since the last run through. You could add a Source property to OPTION objects to make related select-box functionality insanely simple. All very, very powerful stuff. Jim Davis ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200937 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: What's wrong with the Javascript?
This capability can be INSANELY useful however. A great use is in adding information to form elements. You might, for example, add a property called LastUpdate to all your form elements - you can then set this to the current date/time onChange(). Another process might run on an interval which loops through the form elements on a page and checks the LastUpdate dates to see which form elements have been changed since the last run through. Can you expand on this for me? What do you mean by to see which form elements have been changed since the last run through. Are you talking about the last time the form element itself was changed by the programmer or about the last time information was entered? Don't quite understand... And can this info that is generated by JS be used by CF as a variable? Stored in a DB or used in a query, etc.? Thanks, Rick -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 11:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: What's wrong with the Javascript? Off the top of my head I think the property is defaultStatus - capital S. Coming from CF case sensitivity in JS will slap you around like a red-headed step child. ;^) Just so you know what's happening tho: JavaScript is an open prototype language. This means you can add things (properties, functions, events, etc) to the objects on the fly anytime you like. In your case you're actually creating a brand new property on the statusbar object called defaultstatus. The system doesn't have anything to do with it but it is there and can be used for something. This is why you're not getting an error. This capability can be INSANELY useful however. A great use is in adding information to form elements. You might, for example, add a property called LastUpdate to all your form elements - you can then set this to the current date/time onChange(). Another process might run on an interval which loops through the form elements on a page and checks the LastUpdate dates to see which form elements have been changed since the last run through. You could add a Source property to OPTION objects to make related select-box functionality insanely simple. All very, very powerful stuff. Jim Davis ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200938 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: ooa, ood, oop and design patterns
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 05:52:31 -0600, Jared Rypka-Hauer - CMG, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Always nice to see a new comrade crawl out of the woodwork. :) heh yeah, I decided to jump into ol CF-Talk and poke around... (hope I'm not spamming all too much). I have to say, though, I'm kind of conflicted over the idea of adding lists to the array of available choices... (CF is leaking into my conversational speech... ugh.) Try to de-reference your speech patterns, as that tends to clear up memory leaks...heh.. [snip] I still tend to think it may not be a bad idea to have some more options. Ok you beat me down, lets make some more lists heh. I guess in the end more talk wherever it may live on more higher level OO can be a good thing - yet it can also be a bad thing. Lets not forget that sometimes things can be echoed online and the next thing you know, you have disciples making human sacrafices in the way of which a belief has been poured out. I can recall a few times Mr Corfield has mentioned something casually and the next thing you know theres a Development Guidelines being devoted to the scriptures of that which is Sean. At anyrate, I'm all for it, I do enjoy talking about architecture i'm hooked on the very subject and will happilly debate someone to death if need be in order to appreciate certain approaches to a task. I was once told that CF 5.0 was a free bus ride, and then when CF 6.0 came out, we were all told to get off and walk...some are still stuck on the bus, wondering why its not going forward while others are not only walking but lost in the desert hoping someone can help them navigate back to civilization. ok analogy lost me at first but i think it means, we are all scattered amongst the desert of that which is OO land and each of us tend to various backrounds in OOP or other, but CFMX is weird and needs to be attacked differently to most traditional OOP. i'm ranting..yes lets make the lists, let us know who ever starts them and where i can subscribe my gmail / label / filter to -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com http://www.flexcoder.com (Coming Soon) ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200939 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Search engine question
Hey, Dave... Since I'm working on SEO with my clients, but don't do Flash, would you like to share that lil flash swf with me to use, or is that something you prefer to keep in-house? Getting good index page content without blowing away the visitor with word overload has always been a challenge. One thing I do a lot of is have the client use Announcements on the index page. That way, keywords and phrases can be repeated often in the announcement titles and text, but because the repetition is under separate announcements, the reader's information sensibilities aren't offended. The reader can scan the Announcement Titles and decide whether to read the Announcement or not, but the spider eats it all... I let the client add business-relevant announcements and part of my service is to keep an eye on them and keep them optimized with keywords and phrases that need to be repeated frequently... Rick -Original Message- From: Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 11:42 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Search engine question Do you like that nickname? haha Ok too start with you don't have any real content on the home page which is what is gunna really kill ya. Also use your image alts to give more info about the content because the engines will pick that up as page content. You also have enough java on there to run NASA ;) Content is king and you don't have any there so I'd start to figure out a way to get it there. One thing I used to do is make the index page and just fill it with content and then under that have a lil flash swf that redirects depending on if they have flash or not. And what that does is the engine bots will spyder the pages content and since the redirection is within the swf the bots won't pick up the redirect and penalize you. So when a visitor comes to the page it immiediately redirects them to a diff page and they never see the real index page thats been formated for content only. www.denveralumnaegpb.org has that. Basically it's a win win, without really cheating :) From: Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 11:25 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: Search engine question What's the url wilbergini? abracadabra! www.winstoncourtsports.com I haven't read this yet but i threw it up 4 ya, http://www.jamwerx. com/HowGoogleWorks.swf Preeesh! This looks like good info! Will ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200940 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: What's wrong with the Javascript?
Ditto, A simple listener/queue system would be suitable here vs looping over every element. Personally i'd rather write a listener that waits for an onChange event and adds the id of that element to a queue (marking it as dirty), then when i need to process that information, it iterates over that queue and carrys out taskXYZ accordingly, each time slicing the currentItem from the queue (in the event more items get added...which is pretty damn rare). Intervals + looping can be a pretty damn scarey if not used correctly and come with a big ol warning use wisely. As its perfect breeding ground for some nasty Memory Leaks for one - that and can be costly in terms of assuming every cycle runs smoothley (ie no time outs etc). thats my hot tip for the day ehhehehe. -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com http://www.flexcoder.com (Coming Soon) ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200941 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: What's wrong with the Javascript?
Thanks, Micha...that did it! Rick -Original Message- From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:45 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: What's wrong with the Javascript? Javascript is case sensitive, defaultstatus should be defaultStatus. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200942 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: asynchronous logging
In a simular idea I have begun playing around with Auditing inforation with an Asynchronous gateway. We have financial systems which now thanks to SOX (sarbanes Oxley http://www.google.com/search?hl=enlr=q=sarbanes+OxleybtnG=Search) has to be completely tracked. By using asynchronous gateways we'll be able to maintian about the same level of performance with our applications and be SOX compliant (well atleast in the audit trail part). Nothing in production and will probably be a while till anything is in production. I will certaintly share my tails if it ever happans..on a side note we might be brinign flex aboard too I am stoked about that. Adam H On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 05:33:45 -0500, Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just finished the final tests on asynchronous logging for House of Fusion and the results are fantastic! Having the logging operations 'thrown' to an asynchronous process instead of being part of a page call is showing a nice performance boost. I still have to test it under load, but it looks like a very valid way of saving page display time. If I don't have time to do a Captivate presentation on the subject I'll be sure to do a 'on the spot' presentation at Powered by Detroit. Actually, the way things look I may be doing a few of those. There are some nice things that can be done with CFMX 7. The specifics of my logging is to have a cached 'site' object which is called on a per page basis. This object takes all the CGI and other data I want and throws it to the asynchronous process. This process then does all the data conversion such as converting the agent type into an id number and the like. The resultant data is then stored in a DB. All of this overhead process is done away from the calling page and does not slow it down. Yes, it's really as simple as I just described. 1. Collect data 2. Invoke asynchronous gateway 3. There is no step 3 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200943 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Search engine question
People linking to your site also helps your google rankings. Simply spamming the crap out of your site with repeated sentences or paragraphs will not win you any favours with google. The algorithiums used are a little smarter in terms of what to spider and what not to spider. Google Hacks is a good book and explains all these little ins/outs to be aware of with Google, and i must say after reading it i was damn impressed at how smart that engine really is... and i am thankful that the old word spamming trick to get higher rankings no longer works (nothing like searching for a disney movie to show the little ones and seeing two adults doing things to each other that animals wouldn't even do).. On the side: If you have a 100% flash site that pulls in content (aka say FLEX) but want it to also have a google ranking, its quite easily done via XML/XLST to create a flat site (as if it were the actual site) for a google to spider and rank against. Plus, Sitemaps are very important as they allow the bots to get a decent bite out of your sites entire heirachy just watch the link backs within as the bots have a certain threshold and then they are gone. Organisation of content is important as well, put your important stuff up in front (css trickery here) and your less important down the bottom. Try and use XHTML for your HTML soup as in the end the semantics of B vs STRONG may down the track give you extra boost for you buck in terms of word weighting via google. Link to other sites aswell, I've not validated this one as yet but MossyBlog seems to do all right in terms of rankings due to my linking to sites and in turn sometimes they link back to me (which google loves) These concepts may have changed now as i know they continue to improve google a lot since the book hit the shelves... On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:30:18 -0500, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, Dave... Since I'm working on SEO with my clients, but don't do Flash, would you like to share that lil flash swf with me to use, or is that something you prefer to keep in-house? Getting good index page content without blowing away the visitor with word overload has always been a challenge. One thing I do a lot of is have the client use Announcements on the index page. That way, keywords and phrases can be repeated often in the announcement titles and text, but because the repetition is under separate announcements, the reader's information sensibilities aren't offended. The reader can scan the Announcement Titles and decide whether to read the Announcement or not, but the spider eats it all... I let the client add business-relevant announcements and part of my service is to keep an eye on them and keep them optimized with keywords and phrases that need to be repeated frequently... Rick -Original Message- From: Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 11:42 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Search engine question Do you like that nickname? haha Ok too start with you don't have any real content on the home page which is what is gunna really kill ya. Also use your image alts to give more info about the content because the engines will pick that up as page content. You also have enough java on there to run NASA ;) Content is king and you don't have any there so I'd start to figure out a way to get it there. One thing I used to do is make the index page and just fill it with content and then under that have a lil flash swf that redirects depending on if they have flash or not. And what that does is the engine bots will spyder the pages content and since the redirection is within the swf the bots won't pick up the redirect and penalize you. So when a visitor comes to the page it immiediately redirects them to a diff page and they never see the real index page thats been formated for content only. www.denveralumnaegpb.org has that. Basically it's a win win, without really cheating :) From: Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 11:25 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: Search engine question What's the url wilbergini? abracadabra! www.winstoncourtsports.com I haven't read this yet but i threw it up 4 ya, http://www.jamwerx. com/HowGoogleWorks.swf Preeesh! This looks like good info! Will ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200944 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: What's wrong with the Javascript?
I uses a same technique (observer pattern) for my menu. You define
listeners within each button scope. Don't mind missing images.. this is
an older version :)
http://www.mschopman.demon.nl/menu/
http://www.mschopman.demon.nl/menu/config.xml
observers = [];
function observer(){
this.listeners = [];
observers.push(this);
}
observer.prototype.notify = function(){
var i=this.listeners.length;while(i--){
this.listeners[i].notify();
}
}
observer.prototype.attach = function(oListener){
this.listeners.push(oListener);
}
observer.prototype.detach = function(){
}
obsOnNodeSelect = new observer();
Micha Schopman
Project Manager
Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort
Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388
KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380
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de interactie met uw doelgroep.
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-Original Message-
From: Scott Barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: donderdag 31 maart 2005 13:31
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: What's wrong with the Javascript?
Ditto,
A simple listener/queue system would be suitable here vs looping over
every element.
Personally i'd rather write a listener that waits for an onChange
event and adds the id of that element to a queue (marking it as
dirty), then when i need to process that information, it iterates over
that queue and carrys out taskXYZ accordingly, each time slicing the
currentItem from the queue (in the event more items get added...which
is pretty damn rare).
Intervals + looping can be a pretty damn scarey if not used correctly
and come with a big ol warning use wisely. As its perfect breeding
ground for some nasty Memory Leaks for one - that and can be costly in
terms of assuming every cycle runs smoothley (ie no time outs etc).
thats my hot tip for the day ehhehehe.
--
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.mossyblog.com
http://www.flexcoder.com (Coming Soon)
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RE: Ajax
Soon we will see more applications on the market featuring functionality supporting the idea of a reusable user interface because that is what Ajax really is, but only from a specific area of people who are geek enough to spend the time. I have seen some promising examples in the mail lately :) Not to mention I am hoping to release my own part in some months which also features the spi approach. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - -Original Message- From: Scott Barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 31 maart 2005 13:06 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Ajax Heh sorry if this thread was dead and burried an I resurrected (bored, sifting through the cf-talk archives). On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:37:37 +0100, Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One last comment .. made by Erik Arvidsson.. seems he agrees. Very, very, very hard indeed. Writing a mail application is hard using any toolkit. (Just look at Mozilla Thunderbird.) The same applies to Google maps. Sure some things might have been easier with WinForms, Avalon or Lazslo but the application in itself is the biggest part of the development time and cost. The biggest short coming with HTML/XML and scripting is indeed the lack of good reusable components (and sometime a unified application framework). I think if IE supported DOM level 2 and XBL2 I think it would totally kill the alternative frameworks (as long as some the different platforms are compatible enough with each other). I thought i would focus on one key aspect that Erik has outlined. Re-usable Components. There is only a handful online that are actually worth anything, Eriks got one of them. The key aspect of what made AJAX - or what i like to call - DHTML Remoting, was that GMAIL made it look easy enough (in terms of UI not serverside). You compare Flex, Flash, Lazlo, Cocoon, .NET Window Forms etc list goes on...against Javascript and it feels like comparing a monkey to a human. Sure monkey can do certain things a human can, but it needs to be trained hard and taken lots of time / investement to do these things. Javascript is horrible, I am sorry but its borderline bugware as the amount of hurdles you have to overcome is sheer madness. As Micha pointed out, knowing which hurdles to jump and which ones to dodge are the key, and you can't get this from a course or textbook. Its something that you have to sit down daily and read website after website / forum after forum to grasp and hold in check. basic Behaviour building isn't that hard, architecting an application like GMAIL or a serious JavaScript driven UI framework is extremly hard - its why there aren't many around as its just a nightmare to get off the ground. I've build approx 4 of them, one using a combination of CF Custom Tags and JavaScript to emulate what FLEX does now - i ended up throwing in the towel as its just a big waste of time and energy. Reason I know its always going to be held hostage to a browser. JavaScript imho is a hard language to architect, not code. -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com http://www.flexcoder.com (Coming Soon) ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200946 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: What's wrong with the Javascript?
aye, Observer Pattern doth rock.
I see your Observer Pattern and raise you Observer Pattern + Decorator
Pattern..hrmmm...
heheheh nice work.
(sigh) it annoys me that for years I spent time in a DHTML shunned
world and now its finally getting some look-ins in terms of power -
now i'm in FLEX kinda feels like a big ol waste of skillset.
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:45:43 +0200, Micha Schopman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I uses a same technique (observer pattern) for my menu. You define
listeners within each button scope. Don't mind missing images.. this is
an older version :)
http://www.mschopman.demon.nl/menu/
http://www.mschopman.demon.nl/menu/config.xml
observers = [];
function observer(){
this.listeners = [];
observers.push(this);
}
observer.prototype.notify = function(){
var i=this.listeners.length;while(i--){
this.listeners[i].notify();
}
}
observer.prototype.attach = function(oListener){
this.listeners.push(oListener);
}
observer.prototype.detach = function(){
}
obsOnNodeSelect = new observer();
--
Regards,
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Re: Ajax
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:49:33 +0200, Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Soon we will see more applications on the market featuring functionality supporting the idea of a reusable user interface because that is what Ajax really is, but only from a specific area of people who are geek enough to spend the time. I have seen some promising examples in the mail lately :) Not to mention I am hoping to release my own part in some months which also features the spi approach. Yeah, it requires some people to pioneer its efforts up front in a transparent enough manner in order to give that puppy some flight. I heard Amazon are using its concept and while XmlHttpRequest is all nice and cute to use and works on lots of browsers etc... that aside, you still have to use the data from your remoting in a rich UI approach - thats where people need to get onboard and understand something others have figured out... DHTML (remoting aside) is going to hurt to build. Bindows.net and DOMAPI do a nice enough job in regards to Controls/container development and all the power to them. Just there is more to AJAX than meets the eye imho. -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com http://www.flexcoder.com (Coming Soon) ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200948 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!
The fact that they delete negative posts about their business shows that they're not idiots. The test is whether or not they act on those problems. I got a telephone call from Crystal Tech last night. They were asking if I was satisfied with their services and if I had any ideas what they could do to improve. So apparently they are at least doing some damage control. My thoughts to them were that there needs to be more feedback from their support team. I've had problems in the past that took 3 days to fix also. I've then found out that there was (supposedly) a team working on the issue for those 3 days. Although follow up requests about the problem were seemingly falling on deaf ears and being ignored. Status reports (not just automatic emails) such as Hey Bud, this is where we're at with your issue are needed on problems that are taking more than an hour or 2 to fix. I also explained that for those of us reselling, myself I have 50+ customers running my cf_ezcart on their servers, half of which are on MX, that when there is a problem that arises in a new release of MX or whatnot that affects my cart, I don't just have the stress of trying to fix my own site, I may have 30 sites being affected. Plus maybe another 50-100 of folks hosting their own site at CT running my cart. So I know I'll also be getting support calls from them. That is VERY stressful when you cannot truthfully answer to your OWN customers what the problem is and what is being done to rectify it. So to summarize I told them that even though I'm very happy overall with their service, there have been 2 or 3 instances over the past couple years that could have been communicated MUCH better. Hopefully they'll get some good feedback. -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations, Inc. _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Web Based Solutions / eCommerce Development Hosting http://www.twcreations.com/ - http://www.cf-ezcart.com/ Toll Free: 877.207.6397 - Local Int'l Phone/Fax: 386.789.0968 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200949 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Search engine question
It's not a good idea to spam the crap out of your site with repeated sentences or paragraphs, but repeated, relevant keywords and phrases are the primary elements that get you ranked highly. Just do a Google search on a keyword or phrase and looked at the cached version and look at the highlighted words...getting the copy written well for both human and bot visitors is an art, not a science... The difficulty is in getting sufficient repetition for the spiders while being relevant to the readers. And, if the information is good, as in good business-relevant announcements, then it's not spamming the visitor. I agree with all your other points... Rick -Original Message- From: Scott Barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 7:46 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Search engine question People linking to your site also helps your google rankings. Simply spamming the crap out of your site with repeated sentences or paragraphs will not win you any favours with google. The algorithiums used are a little smarter in terms of what to spider and what not to spider. Google Hacks is a good book and explains all these little ins/outs to be aware of with Google, and i must say after reading it i was damn impressed at how smart that engine really is... and i am thankful that the old word spamming trick to get higher rankings no longer works (nothing like searching for a disney movie to show the little ones and seeing two adults doing things to each other that animals wouldn't even do).. On the side: If you have a 100% flash site that pulls in content (aka say FLEX) but want it to also have a google ranking, its quite easily done via XML/XLST to create a flat site (as if it were the actual site) for a google to spider and rank against. Plus, Sitemaps are very important as they allow the bots to get a decent bite out of your sites entire heirachy just watch the link backs within as the bots have a certain threshold and then they are gone. Organisation of content is important as well, put your important stuff up in front (css trickery here) and your less important down the bottom. Try and use XHTML for your HTML soup as in the end the semantics of B vs STRONG may down the track give you extra boost for you buck in terms of word weighting via google. Link to other sites aswell, I've not validated this one as yet but MossyBlog seems to do all right in terms of rankings due to my linking to sites and in turn sometimes they link back to me (which google loves) These concepts may have changed now as i know they continue to improve google a lot since the book hit the shelves... On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:30:18 -0500, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, Dave... Since I'm working on SEO with my clients, but don't do Flash, would you like to share that lil flash swf with me to use, or is that something you prefer to keep in-house? Getting good index page content without blowing away the visitor with word overload has always been a challenge. One thing I do a lot of is have the client use Announcements on the index page. That way, keywords and phrases can be repeated often in the announcement titles and text, but because the repetition is under separate announcements, the reader's information sensibilities aren't offended. The reader can scan the Announcement Titles and decide whether to read the Announcement or not, but the spider eats it all... I let the client add business-relevant announcements and part of my service is to keep an eye on them and keep them optimized with keywords and phrases that need to be repeated frequently... Rick -Original Message- From: Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 11:42 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Search engine question Do you like that nickname? haha Ok too start with you don't have any real content on the home page which is what is gunna really kill ya. Also use your image alts to give more info about the content because the engines will pick that up as page content. You also have enough java on there to run NASA ;) Content is king and you don't have any there so I'd start to figure out a way to get it there. One thing I used to do is make the index page and just fill it with content and then under that have a lil flash swf that redirects depending on if they have flash or not. And what that does is the engine bots will spyder the pages content and since the redirection is within the swf the bots won't pick up the redirect and penalize you. So when a visitor comes to the page it immiediately redirects them to a diff page and they never see the real index page thats been formated for content only. www.denveralumnaegpb.org has that. Basically it's a win win, without really cheating :) From: Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 11:25 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: Search
Re: Set the Log level in CF5
On Wednesday 30 Mar 2005 17:57 pm, David Manriquez wrote: i need to know if is possible to set the log level in CF5. CF doesn't have a native log framework. -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200951 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Ajax
It becomes interesting if the approach is built into the application as a service layer, instead of features or some enabled widgets on top of a purely static approach (which there are often off). I can throw in my xmlhttprequest treeview, menu, wysiwyg widget, but I see that only as parts of the approach. The underlying surface should be in that approach too. In the perfect situation you only load the app once, and update it from then. That is the stuff that will tickle your balls. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - -Original Message- From: Scott Barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 31 maart 2005 14:07 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Ajax On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:49:33 +0200, Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Soon we will see more applications on the market featuring functionality supporting the idea of a reusable user interface because that is what Ajax really is, but only from a specific area of people who are geek enough to spend the time. I have seen some promising examples in the mail lately :) Not to mention I am hoping to release my own part in some months which also features the spi approach. Yeah, it requires some people to pioneer its efforts up front in a transparent enough manner in order to give that puppy some flight. I heard Amazon are using its concept and while XmlHttpRequest is all nice and cute to use and works on lots of browsers etc... that aside, you still have to use the data from your remoting in a rich UI approach - thats where people need to get onboard and understand something others have figured out... DHTML (remoting aside) is going to hurt to build. Bindows.net and DOMAPI do a nice enough job in regards to Controls/container development and all the power to them. Just there is more to AJAX than meets the eye imho. -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com http://www.flexcoder.com (Coming Soon) ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200952 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Set the Log level in CF5
cflog? -Original Message- From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 3:16 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Set the Log level in CF5 On Wednesday 30 Mar 2005 17:57 pm, David Manriquez wrote: i need to know if is possible to set the log level in CF5. CF doesn't have a native log framework. -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200953 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
cfpop errors
Hi, I get this type of errors more and more on some sites (CFMX6.1, W2003) java.lang.IllegalStateException: Folder is not Open, javax.mail.MessagingException: No inputstream from datasource any idea what will cause this? Thanks Victor ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200954 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: cferror question
You can use the Missing Template Handler in CFMX Admin. Chris -- Original Message -- From: Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:40:29 -0400 cferror DEFINITELY will not catch missing file errors. I just had that one happen on my site, still trying to figure out a way around it. :) Will ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200955 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: cferror question
Darn. You can use cftry/catch, with a catch type of missinginclude, but this requires cftry/catch on the page, and can't be implemented globally (it's intended for fine-grain exception handling) Chris Norloff -- Original Message -- From: Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:33:13 -0400 Did you set the missing template handler within the CF Administrator? I'm using Shared Hosting - No access. Thanks, Will ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200956 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: JSESSIONID - Help
The JSESSIONID cookie is set by the J2EE app server; it's not a CFMX function. Use J2EE session variables just tells CFMX not to set it's own CFID/CFToken cookies, and to rely instead on the JSESSIONID cookie. Chris Norloff -- Original Message -- From: Thomas Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:17:43 +0100 On Friday 18 Mar 2005 14:47 pm, Ryan Duckworth wrote: In CF (6.1 - updater) we have Use J2EE session variables unchecked in the CF Admin, but we are getting users who are getting JSESSIONID in their cookies. Are you using the bundled JRun or some other container ? -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200957 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Set the Log level in CF5
True, but you can do a lot with - cftry/catch, - the different types for cfcatch, - the error and cfcatch scopes, and - using cffile to write errors to a file. (We also made the error info available in 'View Source' by enclosing them in HTML comments. Not visible to the user, but can be seen with 'View Source'. Though you may not want this on Production! ) Chris Norloff -- Original Message -- From: Thomas Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:15:51 +0100 On Wednesday 30 Mar 2005 17:57 pm, David Manriquez wrote: i need to know if is possible to set the log level in CF5. CF doesn't have a native log framework. -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200958 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Set the Log level in CF5
On Thursday 31 Mar 2005 14:18 pm, RADEMAKERS Tanguy wrote: cflog? Doesn't count as a framework (like, say, log4cf), because you can't on the fly say 'only log at warning'. -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200959 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Set the Log level in CF5
Yeah Right but that's only for My Custom Logs ... not for Coldfusion native Log files. Like application.log David Manriquez Desarrollador de Sistemas [EMAIL PROTECTED] (+56-2) 43 00 155 -Mensaje original- De: Chris Norloff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: Jueves, 31 de Marzo de 2005 10:00 Para: CF-Talk Asunto: Re: Set the Log level in CF5 True, but you can do a lot with - cftry/catch, - the different types for cfcatch, - the error and cfcatch scopes, and - using cffile to write errors to a file. (We also made the error info available in 'View Source' by enclosing them in HTML comments. Not visible to the user, but can be seen with 'View Source'. Though you may not want this on Production! ) Chris Norloff -- Original Message -- From: Thomas Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:15:51 +0100 On Wednesday 30 Mar 2005 17:57 pm, David Manriquez wrote: i need to know if is possible to set the log level in CF5. CF doesn't have a native log framework. -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200960 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Embedding ASP Code into CF Form Page
S. Isaac Dealey said the following on 3/30/2005 5:54 PM: Yea, that's the catch -- the CF compiler doesn't have any server-side ecmascript (i.e. runat=server) implementation and even if it did I'm guessing the rest of that server-side javascript code references ASP-specific objects (as an example [which won't appear in that script I'm sure] connecting to ADO for database access). One way or another it basically means completely rewriting the script to use it within CF -- hence the need for cfhttp. Well, my efforts so far have been futile. I haven't been able to get anything returned in the cfhttp.filecontent variable. The other cfhttp variables are all returning something, just not filecontent. You could try modifying the ASP code so that it returns the code you need as an http hearder -- the ASP equivalent of cfheader ... Offhand I don't know what it is in ASP, but I'm sure there is one. s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://macromedia.breezecentral.com/p49777853/ http://www.sys-con.com/author/?id=4806 http://www.fusiontap.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200963 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Table name - Singular or plural?
S.Isaac Dealey wrote:
Say I'm a Spaniard or Hispanophone. Plurals in Spanish
always end in
-es. Is using plurals for tables names more consistant in
Spanish than
English? Of course not.
Assuming that statement is true, yes it does. I was
talking about
syntactical consistency, in which, if I have a rule that
all names are
appended with x, then that is a consistent syntactical
rule. If I then
amend my rule to say that all names are appended with x
-- except for
names we don't feel like appending with x (which is how
the rules for
plurals in English work) then the syntax rule is
inconsistent.
That appears overly rigid to me. The only reason why
there's
inconsistency in English plurals is phonological. -s and
-es are both
the same morpheme.
If you were to ask a linguist if there was inconsistency
here, they'd
definitely say no.
You can't remove the argument from its context (programming syntax)
and expect the argument to continue to be valid. It might but that
would be a non-sequitur.
There is no way of automating the rule -- it requires
manual entry of a
dictionary to explain what names are random exceptions
to the rule
-- and that's really the whole point -- plurals in
english are
arbitrarily random. A consistently applied syntax rule
may be
abritrary but is not random.
It's rather simple, and doesn't require a special rule, at
least not for
native germanic words (and a good deal of the romance ones
and others in
the language, spare the odd irregular ones like oxen,
children, and
the strong nouns). If a world ends in a sibilant (s, z,
sh, x [really
ks], ch [really tsh]); the soft g is also a
sibilant, but owing to
other complications doesn't really figure in this), -es is
used. If it
ends in -y, -ies is used. Otherwise -s. It's quite simple.
For a human being, yes. But it's not simple to create an automated,
mechanical means of pluralising words in english. If I wanted to
automate the relationship between my CFC class names and my tables and
I used singular class names and plural table names, how would you
write this function:
function makePlural(noun) { ... }
With the assumption that the function _must_ accept any noun in the
Oxfard English dictionary.
You'll notice that person and people are not related.
You'll also
notice that people is a collective noun, not a plural.
The plural of
person is, wait for it, persons.
goose/geese, mouse/mice).
Irregular nouns. Give us a break!
And a synonym of irregular is ... wait for it ... inconsistent.
It could be -anna, -í, -e, -a, the noun could undergo
palatalisation of the final consonant, c. Does this make
using
pluralisation more consistant in English than Gaelic?
Nope.
Yep.
This goidelophone wishes to disagree.
That's because this goidelophone isn't a stupid computer... A stupid
computer doesn't know better. A stupid computer would say it's
inconsistent.
But when it comes down to it, this is all convention. I
pluralise
because bits of SQL like SELECT ... FROM products ...,
INSERT INTO
products ..., UPDATE products ..., and DELETE FROM
products ...
read better than me because these work on sets of
entities as opposed
to singular entities. When it comes down to it, how it
sounds is
really the only way of justifying it.
It's not the only reason, but it's the reason most
commonly
understood. (Re: previous post regarding automation of
table names).
And we write code for humans to understand, not computers.
Imo it's no harder (for a human) to understand and write code against
a singular noun than it is to write it against a plural noun,
regardless of the context. But personally, I like to reduce my
workload -- reducing my workload means automating tasks (which in turn
means reducing or eliminating inconsistencies) -- if a task can be
automated easily with one syntactical mechanism and not with another,
I'm going to weigh that in favor of the syntax which can be easily
automated. I may not ultimately choose that syntax, but it's a
significant factor.
Really if you want to run the length of the argument then
you could
just as easily name your classes plural as well, and
technically a
class does describe a collection of objects (their type),
though when
we write code we don't generally think of a class that
way, we think
of it as being singular even though we then instantiate
objects to
create what are actually singular entities of type.
A class is not a collection of objects. A class is is a
description of a
type of object. Table != class. That's a red herring.
A table describes it's contents by it's properties (columns) and their
types. A class describes the objects which belong to the class by its
properties and their types. True, a table doesn't have methods, and we
generally think of it as being a container, but ultimately either a
table or a class is a set of meta-data which describes, structures and
manages many individual items (records or object instances). No a
table
Re: Table name - Singular or plural?
S.Isaac Dealey wrote: Ack! Strawman argument! You're picking on a weakness of English rather actually arguing about whether pluralisation is a good thing or not. How about this: If you like to have singular named class names, the name of the class matches the name of the table and as a result can be automated. I.e. address.cfc matches the address table, contact.cfc matches the contact table and addendum.cfc matches the addendum table. If plural table names are used, there isn't consistency and as a result, class names must also be plural or there can be no automation between the class and the table. That is a red herring. Making my job easier is a red herring?! Damn! All this time I thought it was helpful. s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://macromedia.breezecentral.com/p49777853/ http://www.sys-con.com/author/?id=4806 http://www.fusiontap.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200961 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Table name - Singular or plural?
S.Isaac Dealey wrote: S.Isaac Dealey wrote: Ack! Strawman argument! You're picking on a weakness of English rather actually arguing about whether pluralisation is a good thing or not. How about this: If you like to have singular named class names, the name of the class matches the name of the table and as a result can be automated. I.e. address.cfc matches the address table, contact.cfc matches the contact table and addendum.cfc matches the addendum table. If plural table names are used, there isn't consistency and as a result, class names must also be plural or there can be no automation between the class and the table. That is a red herring. Making my job easier is a red herring?! Damn! All this time I thought it was helpful. No, I'm saying an equivalence between tables and classes is a red herring. K. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200964 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Embedding ASP Code into CF Form Page
Maybe you can post the ASP code so we could be of more assistance? -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Embedding ASP Code into CF Form Page S. Isaac Dealey said the following on 3/30/2005 5:54 PM: Yea, that's the catch -- the CF compiler doesn't have any server-side ecmascript (i.e. runat=server) implementation and even if it did I'm guessing the rest of that server-side javascript code references ASP-specific objects (as an example [which won't appear in that script I'm sure] connecting to ADO for database access). One way or another it basically means completely rewriting the script to use it within CF -- hence the need for cfhttp. Well, my efforts so far have been futile. I haven't been able to get anything returned in the cfhttp.filecontent variable. The other cfhttp variables are all returning something, just not filecontent. You could try modifying the ASP code so that it returns the code you need as an http hearder -- the ASP equivalent of cfheader ... Offhand I don't know what it is in ASP, but I'm sure there is one. s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://macromedia.breezecentral.com/p49777853/ http://www.sys-con.com/author/?id=4806 http://www.fusiontap.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200965 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
ColdFusion MX 7 slow?
Hi, Is ColdFusion MX 7 slow? I notice that House of Fusion site has been extremely slow since it moved to ColdFusion MX 7. Sometimes I cannot even connect to it. Is this ColdFusion MX 7 related problems House of Fusion site is having or totally different issues? Johnny ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200966 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Answer found for CFMX 7, CFForms, and Javascript
After an exhaustive Google search, our CF guru found the answer at;
http://www.cfform.com/flashforms/invoke.cfm?objectid=D5DDF18D-4E22-1671-5C01F17329A328C7method=full#
by Ron Pasch, titled 'Flash Slush Box', with a Live Example too. His code is
listed below for your convenience.
cfsavecontent variable=addScript
if(lb1.selectedIndices != undefined)
{
var r:Array = lb1.selectedIndices.sort(16|2);
for( var i=0; ir.length; i++ )
{
lb2.addItem(lb1.getItemAt(r[i]));
lb1.removeItemAt(r[i]);
}
}
/cfsavecontent
cfsavecontent variable=selectAll
var bah:Array = Array();
for(var i=0; iselect1.length; i++)
{
bah[i] = i;
}
select1.selectedIndices = bah;
var bah:Array = Array();
for(var i=0; iselect2.length; i++)
{
bah[i] = i;
}
select2.selectedIndices = bah;
/cfsavecontent
cfdump var=#form#
cfform format=flash width=500 onSubmit=#selectAll#cfformgroup
type=horizontal
cfselect name=select1 width=200 size=10 multiple=Yes
option value=1Sue Hove/option
option value=2Simon Slooten/option
option value=3Ron Pasch/option
/cfselect
cfformgroup type=vertical
cfinput type=Button name=addi value= height=25 width=30
onclick=var lb1=select1;var lb2=select2;#addScript#
cfinput type=Button name=deli value= height=25 width=30
onclick=var lb1=select2;var lb2=select1;#addScript#
cfinput type=Button name=adda value= height=25 width=30
onclick=var lb1=select1;var lb2=select2;#selectAll##addScript#
cfinput type=Button name=dela value= height=25 width=30
onclick=var lb1=select2;var lb2=select1;#selectAll##addScript#
/cfformgroup
cfselect name=select2 width=200 size=10 multiple=Yes/cfselect
/cfformgroup
cfinput type=submit name=btn value=Submit
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RE: Set the Log level in CF5
You could set up a scheduled task to rotate the application.log file every x amount of time and delete old log files. -Original Message- From: David Manriquez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 4:30 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Set the Log level in CF5 Yeah Right but that's only for My Custom Logs ... not for Coldfusion native Log files. Like application.log David Manriquez Desarrollador de Sistemas [EMAIL PROTECTED] (+56-2) 43 00 155 -Mensaje original- De: Chris Norloff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: Jueves, 31 de Marzo de 2005 10:00 Para: CF-Talk Asunto: Re: Set the Log level in CF5 True, but you can do a lot with - cftry/catch, - the different types for cfcatch, - the error and cfcatch scopes, and - using cffile to write errors to a file. (We also made the error info available in 'View Source' by enclosing them in HTML comments. Not visible to the user, but can be seen with 'View Source'. Though you may not want this on Production! ) Chris Norloff -- Original Message -- From: Thomas Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:15:51 +0100 On Wednesday 30 Mar 2005 17:57 pm, David Manriquez wrote: i need to know if is possible to set the log level in CF5. CF doesn't have a native log framework. -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200968 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Display font-family in option tag
Do you have any examples I can look at? Unfortunately not. I've made my own HTML editor, but it is used only in intranets. It has a WYSIWYG font selector, and a WYSIWYG style selector as well. I may make a commercial version from it, but there are so many free tools outhere... -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200969 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Set the Log level in CF5
Yes, nice idea.. But that not reduce the overload. Must have a way to set the Log Level.. undocumented of course.. David Manriquez Desarrollador de Sistemas [EMAIL PROTECTED] (+56-2) 43 00 155 -Mensaje original- De: RADEMAKERS Tanguy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: Jueves, 31 de Marzo de 2005 10:49 Para: CF-Talk Asunto: RE: Set the Log level in CF5 You could set up a scheduled task to rotate the application.log file every x amount of time and delete old log files. -Original Message- From: David Manriquez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 4:30 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Set the Log level in CF5 Yeah Right but that's only for My Custom Logs ... not for Coldfusion native Log files. Like application.log David Manriquez Desarrollador de Sistemas [EMAIL PROTECTED] (+56-2) 43 00 155 -Mensaje original- De: Chris Norloff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: Jueves, 31 de Marzo de 2005 10:00 Para: CF-Talk Asunto: Re: Set the Log level in CF5 True, but you can do a lot with - cftry/catch, - the different types for cfcatch, - the error and cfcatch scopes, and - using cffile to write errors to a file. (We also made the error info available in 'View Source' by enclosing them in HTML comments. Not visible to the user, but can be seen with 'View Source'. Though you may not want this on Production! ) Chris Norloff -- Original Message -- From: Thomas Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:15:51 +0100 On Wednesday 30 Mar 2005 17:57 pm, David Manriquez wrote: i need to know if is possible to set the log level in CF5. CF doesn't have a native log framework. -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200970 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Search engine question
Dave, I've got to take issue with you for an incomplete answer while agreeing with you at the same time for a correct answer. Given that your site has good content, multiple domains can help you. What I've found works really well though is to have two sites selling the same merchandise with different domains and designs... Essentially, they are multiple competing sites, all optimized nicely to take up spots near the top of the search listings. In this way, multiple domains mean an incredible amount of extra business for my company. One of my sites occupies all of the top 8-10 spots for the search terms/phrases we care about most. So the key is not just to point multiple domains to one site, but to replicate your site and compete with yourself. If you do a good job at it on all of your sites, you'll definitely see the benefit. Don't make life harder for yourself though; make sure that the bulk of your administration can be handled in one place... Also, some of my sites only sell a specific subset of our products. --Ferg -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: re: Search engine question No. Content is king - let me rephrase that CONTENT IS KING!! One reason cssp style sites are better for ranking is the clean design and easy access to the pages content, which brings us back to, Content Is King. The page title has more relevance than more urls, the only thing more url's will give you is more page links to the site but you would need several hundred thousands of them to make a difference, plus they may nail you for spamming the bots in which case, well lets just say you don't wanna do that! What's the url wilbergini? I haven't read this yet but i threw it up 4 ya, http://www.jamwerx.com/HowGoogleWorks.swf From: Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:38 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Search engine question Ok, don't pummel me for askin this one. I just know some of you will have the answer. On my volleyball apparel site, the client is asking about added domain names to help attract more people. If I were to use something volleyball-shorts.com as a domain name, would that add relevance to the site with Google? Thanks much, Will ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200971 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CF7 instances and server memory
Just to be clear, are you saying it is better to have more simultaneous requests in that scenario, or less instances, or both? - Calvin -Original Message- From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 3:31 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF7 instances and server memory On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 07:56:36 -0500, Calvin Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to be nuts about it, what if someone wanted to have 6 instances on a 2 CPU box, would it be reasonable to have 1 simultaneous request per CPU? The overhead of switching between JVM processes would probably catch you there. Switching threads (within a JVM) is lightweight, switching instances is not. On another note, I've seen where performance was significantly improved by dropping the heap size down significantly (I'm talking from 1 gig to 256 megs in a busy environment). Yes, because garbage collection can speed up when it has less to do. Tuning garbage collection is a serious black art - there's lot of info out there about it and there are a *lot* of GC parameters you can tweak! -- Sean A Corfield -- http://corfield.org/ Team Fusebox -- http://fusebox.org/ Got Gmail? -- I have 50, yes 50, invites to give away! If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200972 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: MM Hotfix Question
I'm considering updating MX6.1 with the DataDirect Sequelink ODBC Server to V5.4 (article e917887), but I noticed the last line in the tech article which gave me pause. Note: The server is a non-unicode enabled server compatible with the current 6.1 installation. I run primarily SQL 2000 with a few real small sites on Access 2000 (which will be removed later this year). Why in the world would I want to use/upgrade to a non-unicode server? Whatever version of SequeLink you're using with CFMX 6.1, it doesn't support Unicode. This won't affect your SQL Server datasources if you use the bundled DataDirect MS SQL Server driver, which does support Unicode. If you choose Microsoft SQL Server within the CF Administrator, you're using the SQL Server driver and not SequeLink. If you choose Microsoft Access, that uses SequeLink. If you choose Microsoft Access with Unicode, that's using some other driver that doesn't require SequeLink, I think. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200973 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!
Since when does the price level mean you have to put up with crappy service? Just because your Big Mac is 99 cents, is it ok if they drop a few on the floor or leave of the pickles once in awhile? After all, there's millions and millions served. No! We expect every order to be equally good AND complete. I am sick and tired of the argument that just because you pay a low amount that means it's ok to screw up. -Original Message- From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 11:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CrystalTech does not like negative comments! I guess CT has 1000+ happy customers, and 10 unhappy customers ... seems fair to me for the low prices people pay. If the site was really important, the customers should have payed more than 16,95 (That is only one McDonalds order!) or they should have looked for SLA agreements. Micha Schopman Project Manager ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200974 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Phone dialer via TAPI?
On Friday 18 Mar 2005 20:27 pm, Jim McAtee wrote: I'd like to implement a phone dialer from within a CF application. FWIW, our office phone system is a Panasonic KX-TD1232. Let's say I had a TAPI application running on each user's computer that is capable of dialing a number from that user's phone extension. Can a web application communicate with a TAPI compliant application? ColdFusion is server side, and you want to do client side nastiness. I'd hope there is nothing I can write into a web browser that will cause my phone to dial a phone number. -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200975 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Table name - Singular or plural?
S.Isaac Dealey wrote: S.Isaac Dealey wrote: Ack! Strawman argument! You're picking on a weakness of English rather actually arguing about whether pluralisation is a good thing or not. How about this: If you like to have singular named class names, the name of the class matches the name of the table and as a result can be automated. I.e. address.cfc matches the address table, contact.cfc matches the contact table and addendum.cfc matches the addendum table. If plural table names are used, there isn't consistency and as a result, class names must also be plural or there can be no automation between the class and the table. That is a red herring. Making my job easier is a red herring?! Damn! All this time I thought it was helpful. No, I'm saying an equivalence between tables and classes is a red herring. Oh, so you're saying something I wasn't talking about is a red-herring. That would be a change of subject then. :) s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://macromedia.breezecentral.com/p49777853/ http://www.sys-con.com/author/?id=4806 http://www.fusiontap.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200976 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: ColdFusion MX 7 slow?
No doubt IIS - it is quite possibly the crappiest Web Server there is. -Original Message- From: Johnny Le [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 March 2005 14:44 To: CF-Talk Subject: ColdFusion MX 7 slow? Hi, Is ColdFusion MX 7 slow? I notice that House of Fusion site has been extremely slow since it moved to ColdFusion MX 7. Sometimes I cannot even connect to it. Is this ColdFusion MX 7 related problems House of Fusion site is having or totally different issues? Johnny ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200977 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Set the Log level in CF5
check the registry - hkey_local_machine\software\allaire\coldfusion\currentversion\logging\lo gViewerFilters\CurrentFilter - see LogSeverity. -Original Message- From: David Manriquez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 5:00 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Set the Log level in CF5 Yes, nice idea.. But that not reduce the overload. Must have a way to set the Log Level.. undocumented of course.. David Manriquez Desarrollador de Sistemas [EMAIL PROTECTED] (+56-2) 43 00 155 -Mensaje original- De: RADEMAKERS Tanguy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: Jueves, 31 de Marzo de 2005 10:49 Para: CF-Talk Asunto: RE: Set the Log level in CF5 You could set up a scheduled task to rotate the application.log file every x amount of time and delete old log files. -Original Message- From: David Manriquez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 4:30 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Set the Log level in CF5 Yeah Right but that's only for My Custom Logs ... not for Coldfusion native Log files. Like application.log David Manriquez Desarrollador de Sistemas [EMAIL PROTECTED] (+56-2) 43 00 155 -Mensaje original- De: Chris Norloff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: Jueves, 31 de Marzo de 2005 10:00 Para: CF-Talk Asunto: Re: Set the Log level in CF5 True, but you can do a lot with - cftry/catch, - the different types for cfcatch, - the error and cfcatch scopes, and - using cffile to write errors to a file. (We also made the error info available in 'View Source' by enclosing them in HTML comments. Not visible to the user, but can be seen with 'View Source'. Though you may not want this on Production! ) Chris Norloff -- Original Message -- From: Thomas Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:15:51 +0100 On Wednesday 30 Mar 2005 17:57 pm, David Manriquez wrote: i need to know if is possible to set the log level in CF5. CF doesn't have a native log framework. -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200978 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Embedding ASP Code into CF Form Page
Hi Chris, 1) That is not javascript. It is Jscript.NET, an ASP.NET Microsoft server-side language that is not unlike CF or VB that has a similar construction to javascript. 2) You need to be sure that you have .NET installed on your webserver, and that it will actually execute this file before trying to CFHTTP this code. 3) Post the code here for more help. - Matt Small -Original Message- From: Montgomery Chris Contr AFSFC/SFPA [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 5:57 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Embedding ASP Code into CF Form Page Isaac, Actually, the entire file is just javascript, saved as an ASP file, so it wouldn't be too hard to convert, I would think. The catch is that it needs to run server-side since it's generating a security key. The first few lines of the file are: script language=jscript runat=server /* * A JavaScript implementation of the Secure Hash Algorithm, SHA-1, as defined * in FIPS PUB 180-1 * Version 2.1-BETA Copyright Paul Johnston 2000 - 2002. . I'll see how it goes with CFHTTP when I get home this evening. Thanks! -- Chris Montgomery -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 4:16 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Embedding ASP Code into CF Form Page [snip] Sounds to me like your only option unless there's a way to convert it to CF, which there may be, although I'd be willing to bet you'd much rather have a root canal and a lower-gi simultaneously. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200979 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: What's wrong with the Javascript?
-Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 7:19 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: What's wrong with the Javascript? This capability can be INSANELY useful however. A great use is in adding information to form elements. You might, for example, add a property called LastUpdate to all your form elements - you can then set this to the current date/time onChange(). Another process might run on an interval which loops through the form elements on a page and checks the LastUpdate dates to see which form elements have been changed since the last run through. Can you expand on this for me? What do you mean by to see which form elements have been changed since the last run through. Are you talking about the last time the form element itself was changed by the programmer or about the last time information was entered? Don't quite understand... I was reaching for an example (it was late) but the idea is that you might have an interface, say a stock watch list or a game, where the end user can update data in form fields multiple times. An interval would be set up (say every 5 seconds) that would loop through the fields and determine (using the new property) which have changed since the last interval (which have been modified by the end user). Processing could then be performed on those fields that have changed all at once. Of course there are many other ways to do this (you might place all the changes into a queue to be applied on a schedule for example) but again, I was reaching for an example. And can this info that is generated by JS be used by CF as a variable? Stored in a DB or used in a query, etc.? No directly - but definitely, yes with a little work. The only form field properties the system normally cares about (and the only ones that CF would ever see on a POST) are name and value. However if you have extra information stored in the JavaScript you can run a process onSubmit to add that information to hidden form fields or change the value if the fields. For example say you have a text area field. You want to provide an undo feature for it so you add an EditHistory property to the textArea object itself. Using the onChange event handler you add an entry into this array every time the user updates the field. You can then create buttons for the user to undo and redo by retrieving the information from the field. But say you also want to store it permanently (so that they can pause when filling out a form and come back to it later). In this case you could use WDDX to covert that Array to a string, place it a hidden form field and submit it like that. You could also create a more concise packet including all of the information about the filed (the name, value and your editHistory array) and making it the value of the field on submit. CF would get the WDDX as a form field value but you could immediately deserialize and have a usuable struct or Array. Jim Davis ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200980 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: MM Hotfix Question
OK, thanks. Mark -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:07 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: MM Hotfix Question I'm considering updating MX6.1 with the DataDirect Sequelink ODBC Server to V5.4 (article e917887), but I noticed the last line in the tech article which gave me pause. Note: The server is a non-unicode enabled server compatible with the current 6.1 installation. I run primarily SQL 2000 with a few real small sites on Access 2000 (which will be removed later this year). Why in the world would I want to use/upgrade to a non-unicode server? Whatever version of SequeLink you're using with CFMX 6.1, it doesn't support Unicode. This won't affect your SQL Server datasources if you use the bundled DataDirect MS SQL Server driver, which does support Unicode. If you choose Microsoft SQL Server within the CF Administrator, you're using the SQL Server driver and not SequeLink. If you choose Microsoft Access, that uses SequeLink. If you choose Microsoft Access with Unicode, that's using some other driver that doesn't require SequeLink, I think. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200981 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: ColdFusion MX 7 slow?
Please tell me what you think of the site now. It should be at least a little faster as I moved all of the logging over to an async gateway. I have seen the CF engine slow down when the machine memory hits peak and after a cycle it moves back to full speed. I'm still investigating what app is causing this move. The HoF server is running on some older hardware (650 mhz, 640 meg ram) and is hosting a webserver, CF server, DB, 2 mail servers and an FTP server. Pound for pound, I'd say that the issue is NOT ColdFusion MX 7. I'm looking at an average page 'load' of less than 200 ms per page from home and work. If it takes more than 1 or 2 seconds to get a page than it has to be: 1. IIS 2. DNS 3. internet If you hit the site today and its still slow, let me know ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). Also, if you can do a ping to see what the connection looks like. One of my primary goals is to make sure that House of Fusion gets to people quickly and while I'm handling all of the issues that I can in code, there may well be network issues that I'm not seeing. Hi, Is ColdFusion MX 7 slow? I notice that House of Fusion site has been extremely slow since it moved to ColdFusion MX 7. Sometimes I cannot even connect to it. Is this ColdFusion MX 7 related problems House of Fusion site is having or totally different issues? Johnny ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200982 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Web Services / XML or JavaScript?
Hi, all... I just read an interesting note that said Web Services and XML projects are really taking off in the corporate world...I knew that Web Services and XML and JavaScript were things I needed to get up to speed on, but there only so much time in a day. So...given the fact that I'm a one-man operation with limited time to accomplish what's already on my plate, what would you recommend I spend my time learning, if I have to choose: Web Services and XML or JavaScript Hopefully, I'll get around to both at some point, but when you're responsible for sales, design, programming, tech support, and taking out the garbage, time is really limited...so sometimes you have to choose... (Realize, too, that I like being a one-man operation...I carry all the burdens, but the administration of the personnel department is s simple... ;o) Be aware before you answer, that I'm still on CF 4.5.2, so that may definitely affect the answer...given my CF environment of CF 4.5.2...JavaScript now and Web Services / XML later after a CF upgrade? Rick ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200983 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: ColdFusion MX 7 slow?
Could be as the site should be faster than some people are seeing it. The issue might also be SQL as it wants every resource it can get its hands on and you need a tight reign on it. SQL might be pulling resources from IIS. No doubt IIS - it is quite possibly the crappiest Web Server there is. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200984 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Table name - Singular or plural?
S.Isaac Dealey wrote:
S.Isaac Dealey wrote:
If you were to ask a linguist if there was inconsistency
here, they'd definitely say no.
You can't remove the argument from its context (programming syntax)
and expect the argument to continue to be valid. It might but that
would be a non-sequitur.
Names have zilch to do with program syntax. My argument stands.
It's rather simple, and doesn't require a special rule, at
least not for
native germanic words (and a good deal of the romance ones
and others in
the language, spare the odd irregular ones like oxen,
children, and
the strong nouns). If a world ends in a sibilant (s, z,
sh, x [really
ks], ch [really tsh]); the soft g is also a
sibilant, but owing to
other complications doesn't really figure in this), -es is
used. If it
ends in -y, -ies is used. Otherwise -s. It's quite simple.
For a human being, yes. But it's not simple to create an automated,
mechanical means of pluralising words in english. If I wanted to
automate the relationship between my CFC class names and my tables and
I used singular class names and plural table names, how would you
write this function:
function makePlural(noun) { ... }
With the assumption that the function _must_ accept any noun in the
Oxfard English dictionary.
Hmm... seems you're talking about O-R mapping, aren't you? Sorry, but
that's just not something I've ever bought into.
Irregular nouns. Give us a break!
And a synonym of irregular is ... wait for it ... inconsistent.
And they're also uncommon, and slowly fading away.
This goidelophone wishes to disagree.
That's because this goidelophone isn't a stupid computer... A stupid
computer doesn't know better. A stupid computer would say it's
inconsistent.
A goidelophone is a gaelic speaker.
What does this have to do with computers? There was me thinking the
primary audience for the code I write is whoever maintains it.
But when it comes down to it, this is all convention. I
pluralise
because bits of SQL like SELECT ... FROM products ...,
INSERT INTO
products ..., UPDATE products ..., and DELETE FROM
products ...
read better than me because these work on sets of
entities as opposed
to singular entities. When it comes down to it, how it
sounds is
really the only way of justifying it.
It's not the only reason, but it's the reason most
commonly
understood. (Re: previous post regarding automation of
table names).
And we write code for humans to understand, not computers.
Imo it's no harder (for a human) to understand and write code against
a singular noun than it is to write it against a plural noun,
regardless of the context.
I'm not saying it's harder, just that the code reads more awkwardly.
But personally, I like to reduce my
workload -- reducing my workload means automating tasks (which in turn
means reducing or eliminating inconsistencies) -- if a task can be
automated easily with one syntactical mechanism and not with another,
I'm going to weigh that in favor of the syntax which can be easily
automated. I may not ultimately choose that syntax, but it's a
significant factor.
But this isn't syntax: it's a convention or better still, a notation.
But it definitely ain't syntax.
I pluralise because it allows me to spot collections when I'm scanning
code more easily. Think of it as a sane variant on Hungarian Notation,
if you will. This reduces my workload, because I can quickly spot when
I'm dealing with collections of objects or single objects. If I didn't
pluralise, a name like doctor would be ambiguous: is it a bunch of
doctors or a single doctor?
Really if you want to run the length of the argument then
you could
just as easily name your classes plural as well, and
technically a
class does describe a collection of objects (their type),
though when
we write code we don't generally think of a class that
way, we think
of it as being singular even though we then instantiate
objects to
create what are actually singular entities of type.
A class is not a collection of objects. A class is is a
description of a type of object. Table != class. That's
a red herring.
A table describes it's contents by it's properties (columns) and their
types. A class describes the objects which belong to the class by its
properties and their types.
A table is a description and a collection, but lacks operations, whereas
a class is just a description and a set of operations, but it is not a
collection. This is why they are not equivalent.
True, a table doesn't have methods, and we
generally think of it as being a container, but ultimately either a
table or a class is a set of meta-data which describes, structures and
manages many individual items (records or object instances). No a
table is not a class -- but the argument can be made that they are
both sub-classes of the same structural concept (with different
interfaces and/or overloaded methods).
The important point here is that a table is a container/collection,
whereas a class is
Re: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:58:16 -0700, Connie DeCinko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since when does the price level mean you have to put up with crappy service? Since forever, I think. Hey, can I make a suggestion? CF-COMMUNITY. -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200986 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: .html files in cfmx7
No, same company...just got sold AGAIN. This is the 3rd time in the last year and a half that we've changed names. I'm starting to think I should make any copyright information on our sites stored into an application variable because we keep having to change it everytime we change names. Updating email addresses are a pain as well. :-) John Burns Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 3:45 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: .html files in cfmx7 :) nice. john... new company? -- tony Tony Weeg macromedia certified coldfusion mx developer email: tonyweeg [at] gmail [dot] com blog: http://www.revolutionwebdesign.com/blog/ cool tool: http://www.antiwrap.com ...straight cash homey - randy moss, now a raider ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200987 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!
Just because your Big Mac is 99 cents, is it ok if they drop a few on the floor or leave of the pickles once in awhile? Sure, as long as they don't give them to me, and I don't like pickles anyway g. cfset variables.could_resist = false See, it's on topic ;) -J ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200988 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: What's wrong with the Javascript?
An interval would be set up (say every 5 seconds) that would loop through the fields and determine (using the new property) which have changed since the last interval (which have been modified by the end user). And you would want to have this information for, say, analyzing user interaction and making design / features changes based on that information? Would that be the purpose of such programming? This wouldn't be for updating page content based on user input, would it? You're simply looking for any interactivity, not necessarily what information is involved in the interactivity, right? Rick -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:13 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: What's wrong with the Javascript? -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 7:19 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: What's wrong with the Javascript? This capability can be INSANELY useful however. A great use is in adding information to form elements. You might, for example, add a property called LastUpdate to all your form elements - you can then set this to the current date/time onChange(). Another process might run on an interval which loops through the form elements on a page and checks the LastUpdate dates to see which form elements have been changed since the last run through. Can you expand on this for me? What do you mean by to see which form elements have been changed since the last run through. Are you talking about the last time the form element itself was changed by the programmer or about the last time information was entered? Don't quite understand... I was reaching for an example (it was late) but the idea is that you might have an interface, say a stock watch list or a game, where the end user can update data in form fields multiple times. An interval would be set up (say every 5 seconds) that would loop through the fields and determine (using the new property) which have changed since the last interval (which have been modified by the end user). Processing could then be performed on those fields that have changed all at once. Of course there are many other ways to do this (you might place all the changes into a queue to be applied on a schedule for example) but again, I was reaching for an example. And can this info that is generated by JS be used by CF as a variable? Stored in a DB or used in a query, etc.? No directly - but definitely, yes with a little work. The only form field properties the system normally cares about (and the only ones that CF would ever see on a POST) are name and value. However if you have extra information stored in the JavaScript you can run a process onSubmit to add that information to hidden form fields or change the value if the fields. For example say you have a text area field. You want to provide an undo feature for it so you add an EditHistory property to the textArea object itself. Using the onChange event handler you add an entry into this array every time the user updates the field. You can then create buttons for the user to undo and redo by retrieving the information from the field. But say you also want to store it permanently (so that they can pause when filling out a form and come back to it later). In this case you could use WDDX to covert that Array to a string, place it a hidden form field and submit it like that. You could also create a more concise packet including all of the information about the filed (the name, value and your editHistory array) and making it the value of the field on submit. CF would get the WDDX as a form field value but you could immediately deserialize and have a usuable struct or Array. Jim Davis ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200989 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: What's wrong with the Javascript?
-Original Message- From: Scott Barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 7:31 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: What's wrong with the Javascript? Ditto, A simple listener/queue system would be suitable here vs looping over every element. True - one of the brilliant things about JS is that it's so flexible. However looping over every element is actually simple as well (and can be simpler than managing a queue). Personally i'd rather write a listener that waits for an onChange event and adds the id of that element to a queue (marking it as dirty), then when i need to process that information, it iterates over that queue and carrys out taskXYZ accordingly, each time slicing the currentItem from the queue (in the event more items get added...which is pretty damn rare). Personally - so would I. But then again that wouldn't help describe JavaScript capability of extending any object on the fly. ;^) Another example would be better. Let's say you're building a system to construct a pizza. You present three select lists: Crusts, Sauces and Toppings. People can select what they want from these lists - the items selected are removed from the original list and placed on the Your Pie list. The value for all of these elements is a Unique Database ID. Perfectly understandable to the back-end system (which would never confuse a crust with a topping) but not easily parsable in JS. In addition people may only add one Crust - if another is selected the new select replaces the old one and the one returns to the Crusts list. However they can mix sauces and toppings. So you're moving option objects around from list to list but you want them to remember their source lists for when they get removed. You also need a fast way to interrogate the options for their source so you can ensure only one type of crust. The traditional way I've seen this done (over and over) is to create compound values. Something like Source_ID and then, every time you need it parsing out the source. This works, but it's clumsy and creates extra work. Instead just create an ad hoc property on each Option field called Source. You can easily access the original list source anytime as a simple property call. You could also add more properties. For example each option might have a Cost property (which could be totaled later by looping through the My Pie Options). Another possibility might be a delay flag which would indicate that some options might take longer to cook than others. All of this information is related directly to the options at hand. You could keep them in lookup objects or arrays but that's not very contextual. The back-end system doesn't need any of it (it knows already) so it's only used by the front end to improve user experience. In general once I've embraced this kind of thinking I've seen my code get smaller and simpler while losing no capability. Jim Davis ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200990 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Table name - Singular or plural?
S.Isaac Dealey wrote: Is it just me, or does your mailer not write out who you're replying to when it's quoting an email? S.Isaac Dealey wrote: S.Isaac Dealey wrote: How about this: If you like to have singular named class names, the name of the class matches the name of the table and as a result can be automated. I.e. address.cfc matches the address table, contact.cfc matches the contact table and addendum.cfc matches the addendum table. If plural table names are used, there isn't consistency and as a result, class names must also be plural or there can be no automation between the class and the table. That is a red herring. Making my job easier is a red herring?! Damn! All this time I thought it was helpful. No, I'm saying an equivalence between tables and classes is a red herring. Oh, so you're saying something I wasn't talking about is a red-herring. That would be a change of subject then. :) Cheeky! :-) That's exactly what you were saying, or at least that's how it came across to me. Still, I covered this elsewhere. K. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200991 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: ColdFusion MX 7 slow?
No, it isn't. -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:06 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion MX 7 slow? No doubt IIS - it is quite possibly the crappiest Web Server there is. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200992 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: ColdFusion MX 7 slow?
Wow, that's a lot of stuff running on that old box. For me, the site itself comes up quick. It appears it takes about 3 seconds or more to reach the site. I get ping times of about 65ms. Paging through the site right now is fairly speedy. -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 7:22 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion MX 7 slow? Please tell me what you think of the site now. It should be at least a little faster as I moved all of the logging over to an async gateway. I have seen the CF engine slow down when the machine memory hits peak and after a cycle it moves back to full speed. I'm still investigating what app is causing this move. The HoF server is running on some older hardware (650 mhz, 640 meg ram) and is hosting a webserver, CF server, DB, 2 mail servers and an FTP server. Pound for pound, I'd say that the issue is NOT ColdFusion MX 7. I'm looking at an average page 'load' of less than 200 ms per page from home and work. If it takes more than 1 or 2 seconds to get a page than it has to be: 1. IIS 2. DNS 3. internet If you hit the site today and its still slow, let me know ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). Also, if you can do a ping to see what the connection looks like. One of my primary goals is to make sure that House of Fusion gets to people quickly and while I'm handling all of the issues that I can in code, there may well be network issues that I'm not seeing. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200994 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Set the Log level in CF5
Sadly I don't have that key on my registry... (remember im using CF5) David Manriquez Desarrollador de Sistemas [EMAIL PROTECTED] (+56-2) 43 00 155 -Mensaje original- De: RADEMAKERS Tanguy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: Jueves, 31 de Marzo de 2005 11:12 Para: CF-Talk Asunto: RE: Set the Log level in CF5 check the registry - hkey_local_machine\software\allaire\coldfusion\currentversion\logging\lo gViewerFilters\CurrentFilter - see LogSeverity. -Original Message- From: David Manriquez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 5:00 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Set the Log level in CF5 Yes, nice idea.. But that not reduce the overload. Must have a way to set the Log Level.. undocumented of course.. David Manriquez Desarrollador de Sistemas [EMAIL PROTECTED] (+56-2) 43 00 155 -Mensaje original- De: RADEMAKERS Tanguy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: Jueves, 31 de Marzo de 2005 10:49 Para: CF-Talk Asunto: RE: Set the Log level in CF5 You could set up a scheduled task to rotate the application.log file every x amount of time and delete old log files. -Original Message- From: David Manriquez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 4:30 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Set the Log level in CF5 Yeah Right but that's only for My Custom Logs ... not for Coldfusion native Log files. Like application.log David Manriquez Desarrollador de Sistemas [EMAIL PROTECTED] (+56-2) 43 00 155 -Mensaje original- De: Chris Norloff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: Jueves, 31 de Marzo de 2005 10:00 Para: CF-Talk Asunto: Re: Set the Log level in CF5 True, but you can do a lot with - cftry/catch, - the different types for cfcatch, - the error and cfcatch scopes, and - using cffile to write errors to a file. (We also made the error info available in 'View Source' by enclosing them in HTML comments. Not visible to the user, but can be seen with 'View Source'. Though you may not want this on Production! ) Chris Norloff -- Original Message -- From: Thomas Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:15:51 +0100 On Wednesday 30 Mar 2005 17:57 pm, David Manriquez wrote: i need to know if is possible to set the log level in CF5. CF doesn't have a native log framework. -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200994 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: ColdFusion MX 7 slow?
I agree, it is a pretty good server. It is also in my opinion pretty easy to setup and configure. - Original Message - From: Connie DeCinko [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:36 AM Subject: RE: ColdFusion MX 7 slow? No, it isn't. -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:06 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion MX 7 slow? No doubt IIS - it is quite possibly the crappiest Web Server there is. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200997 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!
I disagree. No matter what the price paid, no one should have to deal with lousy service. -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:30 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CrystalTech does not like negative comments! On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:58:16 -0700, Connie DeCinko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since when does the price level mean you have to put up with crappy service? Since forever, I think. Hey, can I make a suggestion? CF-COMMUNITY. -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200995 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: ColdFusion MX 7 slow?
Hmmm...IIS may be crappy in other respects (though I personally don't think it is), but not regarding performance. It's fairly easy to demonstrate that IIS is as much as an order of magnitude (10 times) faster than Apache, for example, on equivalent hardware. Knowing this, the Apache developers have always dodged the performance question, saying their primary goal is correctness, not performance. Vince -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:06 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion MX 7 slow? No doubt IIS - it is quite possibly the crappiest Web Server there is. -Original Message- From: Johnny Le [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 March 2005 14:44 To: CF-Talk Subject: ColdFusion MX 7 slow? Hi, Is ColdFusion MX 7 slow? I notice that House of Fusion site has been extremely slow since it moved to ColdFusion MX 7. Sometimes I cannot even connect to it. Is this ColdFusion MX 7 related problems House of Fusion site is having or totally different issues? Johnny ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200996 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: ColdFusion MX 7 slow?
We argue about this continuously at work. I know for a fact that my site performs much better on Apache. I know this because I've had the same site running on the same server with both Apache and IIS and there is a noticeable difference. IIS is built-in and has a simple-to-use GUI. Other than that, I personally don't know why people even use it. HOF seems to come up fairly quickly for me though and the ping times I get are only 25-29 ms. By the way, if anyone has experience with BizTalk server and wants a job in Nashville, let me know! --Ferg -Original Message- From: Connie DeCinko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:37 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion MX 7 slow? No, it isn't. -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:06 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion MX 7 slow? No doubt IIS - it is quite possibly the crappiest Web Server there is. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200998 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: What's wrong with the Javascript?
-Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: What's wrong with the Javascript? An interval would be set up (say every 5 seconds) that would loop through the fields and determine (using the new property) which have changed since the last interval (which have been modified by the end user). And you would want to have this information for, say, analyzing user interaction and making design / features changes based on that information? Would that be the purpose of such programming? It depends - you might save such information to the server in case the user gets distracted and needs to finish the form later (it's also a good way to capture survey information that's only half completed). A game or simulation might update its status based on the users manipulations. You can also build a pretty damn reliable random value generator using user input delays as the seed. ;^) This wouldn't be for updating page content based on user input, would it? You're simply looking for any interactivity, not necessarily what information is involved in the interactivity, right? Not at this level - although there's nothing to stop you from adding that in. It all depends on the application. Ever play a video game like Resident Evil with dependency puzzles? For example your task is to get a bunch of pressure valves to the same value. However touching one affects the value of the others. You might allow your player to modify several valves at once before seeing the value (perhaps there are bonus points for doing things in the least number of turns). When the processing happens it should change all of the values but it will only set directly those touched by the player specifically. Others will be set automatically based on the ones set by the player. In this case you might not use an interval but rather a player initiated test but you might also do an interval such that the players actions have a delayed effect on the state (which is more realistic). I was playing with stock watchlist simulations using something like this a while ago. They were fun but my management didn't like the idea of presenting people's finances as just games. (Also a lot of this at this level is probably more applicable to Flash ActionScript than browser-based JavaScript anyway - but they're the same language.) Of course I think they were fools - games are one of the best ways to learn anything! ;^) Jim Davis ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:200999 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Crazy Error
This morning we had a crazy Error where we got the following error on a page request (came up when you asked for a page on a site): Not enough server storage is available to process this command Anyone have any ideas? The default-err-log contained the following in or around the time of the crash : SQLException while attempting to connect: java.sql.SQLException: [Macromedia][SQLServer JDBC Driver]Error establishing socket. No buffer space available (maximum connections reached?): connect [Macromedia][SQLServer JDBC Driver]Error establishing socket. No buffer space available (maximum connections reached?): connect [Macromedia][SQLServer JDBC Driver]Error establishing socket. No buffer space available (maximum connections reached?): connect SQLException while attempting to connect: java.sql.SQLException: [Macromedia][SQLServer JDBC Driver]Error establishing socket. No buffer space available (maximum connections reached?): connect [Macromedia][SQLServer JDBC Driver]Error establishing socket. No buffer space available (maximum connections reached?): connect [Macromedia][SQLServer JDBC Driver]Error establishing socket. No buffer space available (maximum connections reached?): connect SQLException while attempting to connect: java.sql.SQLException: [Macromedia][SQLServer JDBC Driver]Error establishing socket. No buffer space available (maximum connections reached?): connect [Macromedia][SQLServer JDBC Driver]Error establishing socket. No buffer space available (maximum connections reached?): connect [Macromedia][SQLServer JDBC Driver]Error establishing socket. No buffer space available (maximum connections reached?): connect SQLException while attempting to connect: java.sql.SQLException: [Macromedia][SQLServer JDBC Driver]Error establishing socket. No buffer space available (maximum connections reached?): connect [Macromedia][SQLServer JDBC Driver]Error establishing socket. No buffer space available (maximum connections reached?): connect [Macromedia][SQLServer JDBC Driver]Error establishing socket. No buffer space available (maximum connections reached?): connect 03/31 07:51:18 error Error in getRealPathFromConn This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Oriel House, 26 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DL, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:201000 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CrystalTech does not like negative comments!
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:42:19 -0700, Connie DeCinko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree. No matter what the price paid, no one should have to deal with lousy service. then why wouldn't everybody pay the cheapest price available? Sorry...but you get what you pay for is definitely true. Always has been, and always will be. In business, you never want to be the cheapest, as people will always wonder why you are. The beauty part of it all is that you can absolutely think that ...no matter what the price paid, no one should have to deal with lousy service. you always have the option of finding another host. --- Charlie Griefer ...All the world shall be your enemy, Prince with a Thousand Enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with a swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:201001 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: ColdFusion MX 7 slow?
Yep, we found this. We are an MS house no messing: CF does run faster on Apache no arguments. If you run IIS in an Enterprise setup you will begin to suffer. I used to love IIS but over the years I have found it to be unreliable. Not to mention the Metabase -Original Message- From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 March 2005 16:49 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion MX 7 slow? We argue about this continuously at work. I know for a fact that my site performs much better on Apache. I know this because I've had the same site running on the same server with both Apache and IIS and there is a noticeable difference. IIS is built-in and has a simple-to-use GUI. Other than that, I personally don't know why people even use it. HOF seems to come up fairly quickly for me though and the ping times I get are only 25-29 ms. By the way, if anyone has experience with BizTalk server and wants a job in Nashville, let me know! --Ferg -Original Message- From: Connie DeCinko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:37 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion MX 7 slow? No, it isn't. -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:06 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion MX 7 slow? No doubt IIS - it is quite possibly the crappiest Web Server there is. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:201002 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Web Services / XML or JavaScript?
It depends what your primary focus is. If most of your projects are focused on intuitive GUI's, than I'd suggest javascript. I must admin, I don't exactly share your view that js is that important. I find it more of a necessity in certain circumstances. If you mostly work with data and want to speedup your development time, than web services are a great way of reusing code and / or transfering data. Be forwarned that the security implementation standards for sensitive data in webservices aren't within CF's grasp. Cheers, Kevin -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:23 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Web Services / XML or JavaScript? Hi, all... I just read an interesting note that said Web Services and XML projects are really taking off in the corporate world...I knew that Web Services and XML and JavaScript were things I needed to get up to speed on, but there only so much time in a day. So...given the fact that I'm a one-man operation with limited time to accomplish what's already on my plate, what would you recommend I spend my time learning, if I have to choose: Web Services and XML or JavaScript Hopefully, I'll get around to both at some point, but when you're responsible for sales, design, programming, tech support, and taking out the garbage, time is really limited...so sometimes you have to choose... (Realize, too, that I like being a one-man operation...I carry all the burdens, but the administration of the personnel department is s simple... ;o) Be aware before you answer, that I'm still on CF 4.5.2, so that may definitely affect the answer...given my CF environment of CF 4.5.2...JavaScript now and Web Services / XML later after a CF upgrade? Rick ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:201003 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Web Services / XML or JavaScript?
Both are very much needed in a corporate setting. I think a strong understanding of XML will get you further though. But learning XML can be complex you need to know XSLs DTD xsd xpaths and Xhtml wouldn't hurt either. Javascript is very useful but it can be pieced together from examples laying around the Internet. Javascript is not hard to learn you can become quite the javascripter with only a few days worth of training. Like i said though XML is one of the buzz words in the corp environment so learning that is really crucial. That being said get out of 4.5.2 its not even support anymore...develop in atleast MX...but I remember this lecture coming out before... Adam H On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:22:55 -0500, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, all... I just read an interesting note that said Web Services and XML projects are really taking off in the corporate world...I knew that Web Services and XML and JavaScript were things I needed to get up to speed on, but there only so much time in a day. So...given the fact that I'm a one-man operation with limited time to accomplish what's already on my plate, what would you recommend I spend my time learning, if I have to choose: Web Services and XML or JavaScript Hopefully, I'll get around to both at some point, but when you're responsible for sales, design, programming, tech support, and taking out the garbage, time is really limited...so sometimes you have to choose... (Realize, too, that I like being a one-man operation...I carry all the burdens, but the administration of the personnel department is s simple... ;o) Be aware before you answer, that I'm still on CF 4.5.2, so that may definitely affect the answer...given my CF environment of CF 4.5.2...JavaScript now and Web Services / XML later after a CF upgrade? Rick ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:201004 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: ColdFusion MX 7 slow?
The reason I asked specifically about ColdFusion MX 7 is because either yesterday or the day before that (I can't remember), I could not connect to the site twice. It says it could not connect to JRUN. I didn't write down the message, but I believe it also gave me the JRUN version. After that the site was extremely slow. It is fast now. I should have posted the question yesterday while it was slow. I asked today because my company is planning to move to CFMX 7 and I want to make sure we won't run into this problem. Johnny Please tell me what you think of the site now. It should be at least a little faster as I moved all of the logging over to an async gateway. I have seen the CF engine slow down when the machine memory hits peak and after a cycle it moves back to full speed. I'm still investigating what app is causing this move. The HoF server is running on some older hardware (650 mhz, 640 meg ram) and is hosting a webserver, CF server, DB, 2 mail servers and an FTP server. Pound for pound, I'd say that the issue is NOT ColdFusion MX 7. I'm looking at an average page 'load' of less than 200 ms per page from home and work. If it takes more than 1 or 2 seconds to get a page than it has to be: 1. IIS 2. DNS 3. internet If you hit the site today and its still slow, let me know ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). Also, if you can do a ping to see what the connection looks like. One of my primary goals is to make sure that House of Fusion gets to people quickly and while I'm handling all of the issues that I can in code, there may well be network issues that I'm not seeing. Hi, Is ColdFusion MX 7 slow? I notice that House of Fusion site has been extremely slow since it moved to ColdFusion MX 7. Sometimes I cannot even connect to it. Is this ColdFusion MX 7 related problems House of Fusion site is having or totally different issues? Johnny ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:201005 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: What's wrong with the Javascript?
Gotcha...you can basically do anything... Definitely sounds like JS is something to know and use. Rick -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:52 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: What's wrong with the Javascript? -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: What's wrong with the Javascript? An interval would be set up (say every 5 seconds) that would loop through the fields and determine (using the new property) which have changed since the last interval (which have been modified by the end user). And you would want to have this information for, say, analyzing user interaction and making design / features changes based on that information? Would that be the purpose of such programming? It depends - you might save such information to the server in case the user gets distracted and needs to finish the form later (it's also a good way to capture survey information that's only half completed). A game or simulation might update its status based on the users manipulations. You can also build a pretty damn reliable random value generator using user input delays as the seed. ;^) This wouldn't be for updating page content based on user input, would it? You're simply looking for any interactivity, not necessarily what information is involved in the interactivity, right? Not at this level - although there's nothing to stop you from adding that in. It all depends on the application. Ever play a video game like Resident Evil with dependency puzzles? For example your task is to get a bunch of pressure valves to the same value. However touching one affects the value of the others. You might allow your player to modify several valves at once before seeing the value (perhaps there are bonus points for doing things in the least number of turns). When the processing happens it should change all of the values but it will only set directly those touched by the player specifically. Others will be set automatically based on the ones set by the player. In this case you might not use an interval but rather a player initiated test but you might also do an interval such that the players actions have a delayed effect on the state (which is more realistic). I was playing with stock watchlist simulations using something like this a while ago. They were fun but my management didn't like the idea of presenting people's finances as just games. (Also a lot of this at this level is probably more applicable to Flash ActionScript than browser-based JavaScript anyway - but they're the same language.) Of course I think they were fools - games are one of the best ways to learn anything! ;^) Jim Davis ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:201006 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: ColdFusion MX 7 slow?
No doubt IIS - it is quite possibly the crappiest Web Server there is. That's simply ridiculous. IIS is as good as any other web server running on Windows when it comes to performance - in fact, practically any web server is sufficient to use all the available bandwidth serving static files, which is all the web server really does when you get right down to it. Historically, the only real problem with IIS has been its insecurity, but (a) this could be fixed easily by proper configuration and (b) IIS 6 is pretty well-configured out of the box. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:201007 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
