Re: OT: Roll out menus
Again not free, but basically you can position within tables, also does infinite menus based on adjacency list http://www.xtreeme.com/dhtml/dynamic-creation/ Steve ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222401 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Recursion anyone?
Thanks David, I get that:) Steve ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222402 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
fullasagoog
Hi, Has anyone else noticed that the fullasagoog web service seems to have changed or is it something silly I have done? I have been using http://www.fullasagoog.com/packages/googservice.cfc?wsdlfor some time. This broke a few days ago and checking the site today it is documented as http://www.fullasagoog.com/packages/googcentral.cfc?wsdl but this is not currently working. Great service BTW - thanks to the fullasagoog guys! Mike ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222403 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Source Control Theory.....
What does SVN give you that VSS does not? -Original Message- From: jonese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 October 2005 17:30 To: CF-Talk Subject: SOT: Source Control Theory. Hey all, We recently moved from VSS to SVN (please quit with the applause) and while we are using it we aren't taking full advantage of it. Ie branching, merging etc. Right now it's just a update, commit thing for us to keep our code sync'd between developers. I'm looking to see if anyone out there has a best practices guide, or better yet can share your corporate policy on how source control is to be used in your office. We are a small development shop (4 developers full time) and we work on multiple sites at once. I'm not sure if the who merging and branching is really for us but i'd like to see how other development shops are doing it, so we can get an idea of what we might be missing. feel free to post public or private. TIA jonese ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222404 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Source Control Theory.....
On Thursday 27 October 2005 11:06, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: What does SVN give you that VSS does not? It works everywhere*. -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222405 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Source Control Theory.....
In what way? As in it is not Windows only? That is hardly a powerful reason... (as I assume they are on Windows now.) -Original Message- From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 October 2005 11:21 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Source Control Theory. On Thursday 27 October 2005 11:06, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: What does SVN give you that VSS does not? It works everywhere*. -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222406 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Source Control Theory.....
What does SVN give you that VSS does not? http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch02s02.html VSS use Lock-Modify-Unlock, SVN can use both Copy-Modify-Merge and Lock-Modify-Unlock. I very much prefer the Copy-Modify-Merge approach, but it's a matter of personal preferences. Multiple languages binding and WEBDAV integration could also be a plus. Personally I also had some very bad experiences with VSS corrupting data, but this doesn't necessarely apply to others. Massimo Foti Tools for ColdFusion and Dreamweaver developers: http://www.massimocorner.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222407 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Source Control Theory.....
We use CVS (which SVN is based on I believe). SVN fixes some weaknesses of CVS and adds some nice features, but is fundamentaly the same. As mentioned the main difference between VSS and CVS/SVN is that VSS locks files being worked on and the other two by default do not. This makes sense because you tend to give each developer a distinct task to work on. However were two or more developers do update the same file, CVS/SVN warns you of this and merges the two copies and allows you to test/edit the merged version before committing it to the repository. Branches allow someone to work on a new feature or major enhancement that may make radical changes to the code, while on the main trunk bug fixes or other more minor enhancements take place. When the new feature is ready (on its branch) it can be merged with the other bug fixes and enhancements before release. There are different ways to cut this - some use the branch for the bug fixes on a released copy of the code and the trunk for the major development. CVS/SVN are very flexible on this. Basically branches let you isolate different development tasks in the code line and merge and release them as they are ready, sign-off, rather than having several developments tripping over each other. One of the drivers for us was the very string CVS support in eclipse which we use as our primary IDE (with the CFEclipse plugin of course :-). There is also a SVN plugin for eclipse. Hope that helps! Mike ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222408 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Source Control Theory.....
I have also had some very bad experiences with VSS. Two specific problems that I've had: A developer checked out some code and didn't check it back in before going on holiday. This caused us a lot of headaches because we didn't have the password for his machine and he'd checked out stuff that a lot of other people needed to work with. VSS completely corrupted the source code for a project I was working on a few years ago. Again, this caused us a lot of headaches because we had lost the complete change history for the project. The VSS workflow doesn't work well for me either because it requires that you organize yourselves in such a way that two people never have the same code checked out. My experience has been that allowing multiple developers to check out and work on the same code is much more productive. Spike On 10/27/05, Massimo Foti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What does SVN give you that VSS does not? http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch02s02.html VSS use Lock-Modify-Unlock, SVN can use both Copy-Modify-Merge and Lock-Modify-Unlock. I very much prefer the Copy-Modify-Merge approach, but it's a matter of personal preferences. Multiple languages binding and WEBDAV integration could also be a plus. Personally I also had some very bad experiences with VSS corrupting data, but this doesn't necessarely apply to others. Massimo Foti Tools for ColdFusion and Dreamweaver developers: http://www.massimocorner.com ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222409 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Source Control Theory.....
Well, logging in as Admin would have solved the first problem of checking in a file checked out by another user (all depends on client/server setup I suppose) - but you can certainly check an on vacation users file yourself. VSS,does support multiple checkouts - so I am not sure where your problem their was? Corrupt code, I have never had but I hear it can happen with certain file types. Hopefully VSS 7 will sort that out ;-) -Original Message- From: Spike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 October 2005 11:58 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Source Control Theory. I have also had some very bad experiences with VSS. Two specific problems that I've had: A developer checked out some code and didn't check it back in before going on holiday. This caused us a lot of headaches because we didn't have the password for his machine and he'd checked out stuff that a lot of other people needed to work with. VSS completely corrupted the source code for a project I was working on a few years ago. Again, this caused us a lot of headaches because we had lost the complete change history for the project. The VSS workflow doesn't work well for me either because it requires that you organize yourselves in such a way that two people never have the same code checked out. My experience has been that allowing multiple developers to check out and work on the same code is much more productive. Spike On 10/27/05, Massimo Foti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What does SVN give you that VSS does not? http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch02s02.html VSS use Lock-Modify-Unlock, SVN can use both Copy-Modify-Merge and Lock-Modify-Unlock. I very much prefer the Copy-Modify-Merge approach, but it's a matter of personal preferences. Multiple languages binding and WEBDAV integration could also be a plus. Personally I also had some very bad experiences with VSS corrupting data, but this doesn't necessarely apply to others. Massimo Foti Tools for ColdFusion and Dreamweaver developers: http://www.massimocorner.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222410 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: adApplication.cfm and Application.cfm
What version of cf are you using on the server that is causing the problem, and is it a different version on the two other servers that did not cause a problem? On 10/26/05, Roberto Perez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:31 AM 10/26/2005, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thats odd. as i have a file called, myapplication.cfm in a site, and it works fine. I tested the same website on two different servers, and there were no conflicts with the filename adApplication.cfm in any of them. Does anyone know of a CF administrator setting that checks for approximate reserved names or something like that? Thanks in advance, Roberto Perez [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222411 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Source Control Theory.....
I have used VSS virtually from day one and have never yet had any problems with it, not a single corruption. I can confirm that what Neil states below is correct in so far as if you have access to the admin login you can easily checkin/checkout files checked out by another user and have multiple checkouts. -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 October 2005 12:00 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Source Control Theory. Well, logging in as Admin would have solved the first problem of checking in a file checked out by another user (all depends on client/server setup I suppose) - but you can certainly check an on vacation users file yourself. VSS,does support multiple checkouts - so I am not sure where your problem their was? Corrupt code, I have never had but I hear it can happen with certain file types. Hopefully VSS 7 will sort that out ;-) -Original Message- From: Spike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 October 2005 11:58 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Source Control Theory. I have also had some very bad experiences with VSS. Two specific problems that I've had: A developer checked out some code and didn't check it back in before going on holiday. This caused us a lot of headaches because we didn't have the password for his machine and he'd checked out stuff that a lot of other people needed to work with. VSS completely corrupted the source code for a project I was working on a few years ago. Again, this caused us a lot of headaches because we had lost the complete change history for the project. The VSS workflow doesn't work well for me either because it requires that you organize yourselves in such a way that two people never have the same code checked out. My experience has been that allowing multiple developers to check out and work on the same code is much more productive. Spike On 10/27/05, Massimo Foti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What does SVN give you that VSS does not? http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch02s02.html VSS use Lock-Modify-Unlock, SVN can use both Copy-Modify-Merge and Lock-Modify-Unlock. I very much prefer the Copy-Modify-Merge approach, but it's a matter of personal preferences. Multiple languages binding and WEBDAV integration could also be a plus. Personally I also had some very bad experiences with VSS corrupting data, but this doesn't necessarely apply to others. Massimo Foti Tools for ColdFusion and Dreamweaver developers: http://www.massimocorner.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222412 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Source Control Theory.....
ok, I appreciate that you *can* solve the problem if a user isn't there, but here's an example of my typical experience with VSS: Bob, Fred and Joe are all working on the same project and sit within 6 feet of each other. Day starts Bob checks out files a, b, c, d, and e. Fred checks out files f,g and h. Joe checks out fils i, j, k, and l 10.00 am Joe gets called off to a meeting 10.15 am Bob realizes he needs to check out file j. Finds it's locked, so goes off to look for an administrator. 10.20 am Fred realizes he needs to add something to file e. Finds it's locked, so goes off to look for Bob. 10.30 am Bob returns having found that the administrator has been called off to do some work for a client. Starts creating a workaround for the things he needs in file j. 10.35 am Fred returns and gets Bob to release file e. 11.00 am Fred leaves to go to a client site forgetting to check in his work. 11.15 am Joe returns and gets a bunch of abuse from Bob. Joe releases his files so Bob can get the update. 11.30 am Joe realizes he needs to use file g. Finds out that it's locked and Fred isn't there. Finds out Admin isn't around, can't get Freds on his mobile. Starts to create a workaround for the stuff in file g. 11.45 am Bob realizes he needs something in file g. Talks to Joe. They work together to create a new version of g which they call file m. They refactor their code so that it no longer requires file g. 12.00 pm Bob goes off to lunch. 12.15 pm Joe realizes he needs to work on file d. Sees that Bob is at lunch and decides to go to lunch himself. 1.00 pm Bob returns from lunch and gets called off to a meeting. 1.30 pm Joe returns from lunch and finds that he still can't get to file d. I spent quite a while working in a place where that sort of thing was all too typical. It's certainly possible to discipline yourself so that these problems don't occur, but real life and commercial pressures often get in the way of rigid discipline. The CVS/SVN way of doing things eliminates that sort of problem. Spike On 10/27/05, Andy McShane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have used VSS virtually from day one and have never yet had any problems with it, not a single corruption. I can confirm that what Neil states below is correct in so far as if you have access to the admin login you can easily checkin/checkout files checked out by another user and have multiple checkouts. -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 October 2005 12:00 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Source Control Theory. Well, logging in as Admin would have solved the first problem of checking in a file checked out by another user (all depends on client/server setup I suppose) - but you can certainly check an on vacation users file yourself. VSS,does support multiple checkouts - so I am not sure where your problem their was? Corrupt code, I have never had but I hear it can happen with certain file types. Hopefully VSS 7 will sort that out ;-) -Original Message- From: Spike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 October 2005 11:58 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Source Control Theory. I have also had some very bad experiences with VSS. Two specific problems that I've had: A developer checked out some code and didn't check it back in before going on holiday. This caused us a lot of headaches because we didn't have the password for his machine and he'd checked out stuff that a lot of other people needed to work with. VSS completely corrupted the source code for a project I was working on a few years ago. Again, this caused us a lot of headaches because we had lost the complete change history for the project. The VSS workflow doesn't work well for me either because it requires that you organize yourselves in such a way that two people never have the same code checked out. My experience has been that allowing multiple developers to check out and work on the same code is much more productive. Spike On 10/27/05, Massimo Foti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What does SVN give you that VSS does not? http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch02s02.html VSS use Lock-Modify-Unlock, SVN can use both Copy-Modify-Merge and Lock-Modify-Unlock. I very much prefer the Copy-Modify-Merge approach, but it's a matter of personal preferences. Multiple languages binding and WEBDAV integration could also be a plus. Personally I also had some very bad experiences with VSS corrupting data, but this doesn't necessarely apply to others. Massimo Foti Tools for ColdFusion and Dreamweaver developers: http://www.massimocorner.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware
RE: Source Control Theory.....
From: Spike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ok, I appreciate that you *can* solve the problem if a user isn't there, but here's an example of my typical experience with VSS: Spike, Your scenario is very typical of my experiences as well. I think one of the things a lot of developers don't understand is exactly what source control is for. To think that it just keeps track of files being checked in and out is one small piece of the pie. My experiences with VSS have been flaky at best: corruptions, etc... however we are supposedly a MS shop therefore the uppers will not even entertain the notion of using something that offers better stability and a greater feature set. Oh well. :-/ ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222414 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: adApplication.cfm and Application.cfm
I seem to remember this being the case I cant remember if this was on cf5 IIRC not only can you (obviously) not have a page called application.cfm but it could not contain Application in the name, what platform windows or Linux? Kola -Original Message- From: Ryan Guill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 October 2005 11:55 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: adApplication.cfm and Application.cfm What version of cf are you using on the server that is causing the problem, and is it a different version on the two other servers that did not cause a problem? On 10/26/05, Roberto Perez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:31 AM 10/26/2005, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thats odd. as i have a file called, myapplication.cfm in a site, and it works fine. I tested the same website on two different servers, and there were no conflicts with the filename adApplication.cfm in any of them. Does anyone know of a CF administrator setting that checks for approximate reserved names or something like that? Thanks in advance, Roberto Perez [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222415 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Is this possible
I need quick advice on if this is possible. I need to have the users put in a ship date on an ecommerce site The first one will be next Monday which they will set the value them selves - (No problem) The second one if they select it will drop down a calendar where only Mondays are available to select And this needs to be required that they select one Is this doable? Sincerely, Kurt Kaptein ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222416 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
(Admin) CFUnit list
At the request of the manager of the CFUnit project (http://sourceforge.net/projects/cfunit) I've set up a CFUnit list on House of Fusion. You can subscribe at: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/subscribe.cfm/forumid:51 and post to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please visit the project home page at http://cfunit.sourceforge.net for more information on what CFUnit is, join the list to discuss it and watch for upcoming articles on it from Fusion Authority. Thank you Michael Dinowitz Host: House of Fusion ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222417 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: About Flex 2
Thanks Joe ... Now I have how to start __ M.Sc. Hassan Arteaga Rodríguez Microsoft Certified System Engineer IT Specialist DIGI Grupo de Desarrollo. COPEXTEL, S.A. Este email y sus adjuntos está dirigido solamente a los destinatarios consignados en el mismo y debe ser considerado confidencial. Si Ud. no es el destinatario consignado o la persona responsable de entregar/enviar el presente, no podrá copiarlo o entregarlo/enviarlo a ninguna otra persona ni utilizar el mismo en forma no autorizada. Dichas acciones están prohibidas y pueden ser consideradas ilegales. Si Ud. recibiese este email por error, por favor comuníquelo de inmediato al emisor del mismo. -Original Message- From: Joe Rinehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 5:12 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: About Flex 2 I would download and install the Flex Builder 2 alpha from labs.macromedia.com. It comes with a good set of tutorials, etc. -Joe On 10/26/05, Hassan Arteaga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all: I'd like to start my first steps in Flex.. Simple question: What I need to install in order to build my fisrt Hello word app ? Regards __ M.Sc. Hassan Arteaga Rodríguez Microsoft Certified System Engineer IT Specialist DIGI Grupo de Desarrollo. COPEXTEL, S.A. Este email y sus adjuntos está dirigido solamente a los destinatarios consignados en el mismo y debe ser considerado confidencial. Si Ud. no es el destinatario consignado o la persona responsable de entregar/enviar el presente, no podrá copiarlo o entregarlo/enviarlo a ninguna otra persona ni utilizar el mismo en forma no autorizada. Dichas acciones están prohibidas y pueden ser consideradas ilegales. Si Ud. recibiese este email por error, por favor comuníquelo de inmediato al emisor del mismo. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222418 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Source Control Theory.....
On Thursday 27 October 2005 11:11, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: In what way? As in it is not Windows only? That is hardly a powerful reason... (as I assume they are on Windows now.) For me it is a very powerful reason. I shouldn't have my choice of platform and tool set dictated to by the vendor of any one tool (or platform). -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222419 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Is this possible
Yes, it is. -Original Message- From: Kurt Kaptein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 October 2005 15:01 To: CF-Talk Subject: Is this possible I need quick advice on if this is possible. I need to have the users put in a ship date on an ecommerce site The first one will be next Monday which they will set the value them selves - (No problem) The second one if they select it will drop down a calendar where only Mondays are available to select And this needs to be required that they select one Is this doable? Sincerely, Kurt Kaptein ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222420 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: About Flex 2
If you are MS - you could always just use Atlas ;-) -Original Message- From: Hassan Arteaga [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 October 2005 15:30 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: About Flex 2 Thanks Joe ... Now I have how to start __ M.Sc. Hassan Arteaga Rodríguez Microsoft Certified System Engineer IT Specialist DIGI Grupo de Desarrollo. COPEXTEL, S.A. Este email y sus adjuntos está dirigido solamente a los destinatarios consignados en el mismo y debe ser considerado confidencial. Si Ud. no es el destinatario consignado o la persona responsable de entregar/enviar el presente, no podrá copiarlo o entregarlo/enviarlo a ninguna otra persona ni utilizar el mismo en forma no autorizada. Dichas acciones están prohibidas y pueden ser consideradas ilegales. Si Ud. recibiese este email por error, por favor comuníquelo de inmediato al emisor del mismo. -Original Message- From: Joe Rinehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 5:12 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: About Flex 2 I would download and install the Flex Builder 2 alpha from labs.macromedia.com. It comes with a good set of tutorials, etc. -Joe On 10/26/05, Hassan Arteaga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all: I'd like to start my first steps in Flex.. Simple question: What I need to install in order to build my fisrt Hello word app ? Regards __ M.Sc. Hassan Arteaga Rodríguez Microsoft Certified System Engineer IT Specialist DIGI Grupo de Desarrollo. COPEXTEL, S.A. Este email y sus adjuntos está dirigido solamente a los destinatarios consignados en el mismo y debe ser considerado confidencial. Si Ud. no es el destinatario consignado o la persona responsable de entregar/enviar el presente, no podrá copiarlo o entregarlo/enviarlo a ninguna otra persona ni utilizar el mismo en forma no autorizada. Dichas acciones están prohibidas y pueden ser consideradas ilegales. Si Ud. recibiese este email por error, por favor comuníquelo de inmediato al emisor del mismo. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222421 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Yet another regex question
No pressure, though. :-\ --Ben Bobby Hartsfield wrote: Yeah, I realize he specifically said or any CF5 solution now. But as long as we have you around...no worries in the RegEx department :) ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222422 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: anti-sp*m email addy hiding techniques
anyone have any tricks that actually work? besides making it like me at mysite.com. I know there is a udf on cflib but like the comment says its really not a good solution. ~Dave the disruptor~ Some people just don't appreciate how difficult it is to dispense wisdom and abuse at the same time. There's a nice udf on cflib that seems to work fairly well. It converts all the characters of the email address to their entity equivalents: http://www.cflib.org/udf.cfm?id=405 larry -- Larry C. Lyons Web Analyst BEI Resources American Type Culture Collection email: llyons(at)atcc(dot)org tel: 703.365.2700.2678 -- ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222423 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Source Control Theory.....
for us it was even a very simple reason. We lost one developer, hired 2 devlopers and only had vss on one of the machines. Couldn't get VSS to install on the newest developers machine so we had to change process. We had been talking about making the move for months, this was just the straw which broke the camels back. jonese On 10/27/05, Thomas Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 27 October 2005 11:11, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: In what way? As in it is not Windows only? That is hardly a powerful reason... (as I assume they are on Windows now.) For me it is a very powerful reason. I shouldn't have my choice of platform and tool set dictated to by the vendor of any one tool (or platform). -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222424 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
HELP! Cannot Allocate Memory
I am getting an error. Cannot allocate memory. I have looked around and can not find anything CF specific. Any help would be appreciated. CFMX 6.1 Linux - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222425 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HELP! Cannot Allocate Memory
On 10/27/05, Nolan Creese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am getting an error. Cannot allocate memory. I have looked around and can not find anything CF specific. Any help would be appreciated. CFMX 6.1 Linux That's because it's not CF-specific -- it's Java specific. That error means that the JVM size that is trying to be reserved is larger than the amount of memory available on your machine. Either shut some other processes down or lower the JVM heap size in your jvm.config file. Regards, Dave. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222426 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: portable SQL queries with date and time values
On 8/17/05, wolf2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am trying to figure out what is the best way to write SQL queries including date and time values that will work across several Oracle Database installations (different versions and different regional settings). So far I am using some code similar to this: cfset myMask = MM/DD/ !--- just for testing, the real value is not the current date --- cfset myDate = DateFormat(Now(),myMask) cfquery name=myQuery datasource=myDatasource SELECT * FROM myTable WHERE TRUNC(myDate) TO_DATE(cfqueryparam value=#myDate# cfsqltype=CF_SQL_VARCHAR,cfqueryparam value=#myMask# cfsqltype=CF_SQL_VARCHAR) /cfquery It works fine and AFAIK it should be pretty portable to other Oracle Database installations. But I just figured out that simpler code also seems to work fine: cfset myDate = DateFormat(Now(),myMask) cfquery name=myQuery datasource=myDatasource SELECT * FROM myTable WHERE TRUNC(myDate) cfqueryparam value=#myDate# cfsqltype=CF_SQL_DATE /cfquery I'd like to use it since it's more compact ... Will it work fine with all Oracle Database installations? Also, I found some posts recommending to use the CreateODBCDate function. Is that a better way? Why? Thanks. Hi there, I didn't find a good reply to my previous questions yet. What is the best practice here in your opinion? Thanks a lot. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222427 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: HELP! Cannot Allocate Memory
Thanks Dave I will pass this along to the Host. Dave Carabetta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On 10/27/05, Nolan Creese wrote: I am getting an error. Cannot allocate memory. I have looked around and can not find anything CF specific. Any help would be appreciated. CFMX 6.1 Linux That's because it's not CF-specific -- it's Java specific. That error means that the JVM size that is trying to be reserved is larger than the amount of memory available on your machine. Either shut some other processes down or lower the JVM heap size in your jvm.config file. Regards, Dave. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222428 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Roll out menus
Thanks everybody, this is some great stuff. We abandoned the roll-out menu a couple of years ago due to the inconsistent behavior in browsers, etc. Looking at some of these, DHTML menus have come a LONG way... Ray Matt Robertson wrote: An alternative: http://javascript.cooldev.com/ Not as good as Milonic last time I looked. Good menu, though. Has a builder app that costs like $15. Well documented so you can see right off if you can build a CF builder for it. -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222429 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Is this possible
It sounds like you already have next Monday worked out after that do something like this: cfloop from=1 to=20 index=variables.ii option#dateAdd(ww,variables.ii,variables.firstMonday)# /cfloop Cheers, Sam On 10/27/05, Kurt Kaptein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need quick advice on if this is possible. I need to have the users put in a ship date on an ecommerce site The first one will be next Monday which they will set the value them selves - (No problem) The second one if they select it will drop down a calendar where only Mondays are available to select And this needs to be required that they select one Is this doable? Sincerely, Kurt Kaptein ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222430 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: portable SQL queries with date and time values
dont know about best practice, but to ensure date portability I dont use date fields in the DB, I use varchar fields and put ISO dates in them e.g. 20051027T161420 Then if needed, I convert to proper dates once the value is out of the DB. Since I know the string will alway be in the same format, I can use string functions e.g. mid() to pull the data out and create a date - createdate(left(mydate,4),mid(mydate,5,2) e.t.c. -Original Message- From: wolf2k5 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 October 2005 15:56 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: portable SQL queries with date and time values On 8/17/05, wolf2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am trying to figure out what is the best way to write SQL queries including date and time values that will work across several Oracle Database installations (different versions and different regional settings). So far I am using some code similar to this: cfset myMask = MM/DD/ !--- just for testing, the real value is not the current date --- cfset myDate = DateFormat(Now(),myMask) cfquery name=myQuery datasource=myDatasource SELECT * FROM myTable WHERE TRUNC(myDate) TO_DATE(cfqueryparam value=#myDate# cfsqltype=CF_SQL_VARCHAR,cfqueryparam value=#myMask# cfsqltype=CF_SQL_VARCHAR) /cfquery It works fine and AFAIK it should be pretty portable to other Oracle Database installations. But I just figured out that simpler code also seems to work fine: cfset myDate = DateFormat(Now(),myMask) cfquery name=myQuery datasource=myDatasource SELECT * FROM myTable WHERE TRUNC(myDate) cfqueryparam value=#myDate# cfsqltype=CF_SQL_DATE /cfquery I'd like to use it since it's more compact ... Will it work fine with all Oracle Database installations? Also, I found some posts recommending to use the CreateODBCDate function. Is that a better way? Why? Thanks. Hi there, I didn't find a good reply to my previous questions yet. What is the best practice here in your opinion? Thanks a lot. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222431 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Is this possible
Anything is possibleand this sure falls into that category ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222432 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Source Control Theory.....
we recently chose BUTT over ASS for our SCM solution. BUTT, or Brave User Text Tracker, worked fine and had the same cardinality on the set of issues experienced as ASS, or Applied Source Solutions. Both tools possessed a rather large outflow of community support, unfortunately ASS had that proprietary smell about it, possibly locking us into the large corporate throne above the abyss. The new kid on the block REAR, or Real Edit And Replace, seems quite promising addressing some of the blockage BUTT has with a few items. Other products do exist, but they add a whole new Dimension to the subject at hand. sorry, I couldn't resist...lack of sleep and coding like a monkey brings out the twisted creative, eh? I recently forced CVS onto the members of my team. So far its been fun. TortoiseCVS makes it fairly simple. The only real difficulty is branching and merging of branches, a tricky thing for sure. We went with CVS/tortoise because it was free, well known with a great public support, and our team is small. Our company has officially chosen Dimensions, a huge product that is not for the faint of heart. DK On 10/27/05, jonese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for us it was even a very simple reason. We lost one developer, hired 2 devlopers and only had vss on one of the machines. Couldn't get VSS to install on the newest developers machine so we had to change process. We had been talking about making the move for months, this was just the straw which broke the camels back. jonese On 10/27/05, Thomas Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 27 October 2005 11:11, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: In what way? As in it is not Windows only? That is hardly a powerful reason... (as I assume they are on Windows now.) For me it is a very powerful reason. I shouldn't have my choice of platform and tool set dictated to by the vendor of any one tool (or platform). -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222433 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: MX7 J2EE (Was MX7 and Flex recommendations)
Thanks, Dave, Doug, Adrock I've been afraid of the J2EE version, but now I'm really excited. Thanks for clearing everything up and getting me pointed in the right direction. I'm looking forward to playing with it this weekend. Cheers, Ali No, setting multiple instances up with IIS is relatively simple. However, there are lots of ways you could do this: Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222434 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: OT: Yet another regex question
With great power comes great responsibility :^p ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com -Original Message- From: Ben Doom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 10:28 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT: Yet another regex question No pressure, though. :-\ --Ben Bobby Hartsfield wrote: Yeah, I realize he specifically said or any CF5 solution now. But as long as we have you around...no worries in the RegEx department :) ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222435 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Source Control Theory.....
One of the main reasons I use Eclipse and started on the CFEclipse project is that Eclipse is bar none the best CVS client I've ever seen. In my experience, no matter how I shuffle things around, rename files, delete directories, whatever, it seems to seamlessly keep track of every single change and commit it to the repository. That's for changes I make from within Eclipse itself mind you, if I go off to the file system and start messing with files then I'm back into the usual CVS rename/move/delete fun and games. TortoiseCVS used to be the first thing I installed on every machine I used, but I don't even have it on any of my machines these days. Spike On 10/27/05, Douglas Knudsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we recently chose BUTT over ASS for our SCM solution. BUTT, or Brave User Text Tracker, worked fine and had the same cardinality on the set of issues experienced as ASS, or Applied Source Solutions. Both tools possessed a rather large outflow of community support, unfortunately ASS had that proprietary smell about it, possibly locking us into the large corporate throne above the abyss. The new kid on the block REAR, or Real Edit And Replace, seems quite promising addressing some of the blockage BUTT has with a few items. Other products do exist, but they add a whole new Dimension to the subject at hand. sorry, I couldn't resist...lack of sleep and coding like a monkey brings out the twisted creative, eh? I recently forced CVS onto the members of my team. So far its been fun. TortoiseCVS makes it fairly simple. The only real difficulty is branching and merging of branches, a tricky thing for sure. We went with CVS/tortoise because it was free, well known with a great public support, and our team is small. Our company has officially chosen Dimensions, a huge product that is not for the faint of heart. DK On 10/27/05, jonese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for us it was even a very simple reason. We lost one developer, hired 2 devlopers and only had vss on one of the machines. Couldn't get VSS to install on the newest developers machine so we had to change process. We had been talking about making the move for months, this was just the straw which broke the camels back. jonese On 10/27/05, Thomas Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 27 October 2005 11:11, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: In what way? As in it is not Windows only? That is hardly a powerful reason... (as I assume they are on Windows now.) For me it is a very powerful reason. I shouldn't have my choice of platform and tool set dictated to by the vendor of any one tool (or platform). -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222436 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
CFMX 6.0 Verity and Spider
I am working through a problem and I do not have extensive knowledge regarding Verity and the Spider that come with CFMX 6. I did however have this working at one point, but it is now NOT working. Let me recap. I made the necessary change the k2Server.ini file. I have it running as a Service. The INI files reads for my collection: [Coll-0] collPath=C:\CFusionMX\verity\collections\SABORSearch\file collAlias=SABORSearch_file topicSet= knowledgeBase= onLine=2 I created my collection and it is located local to the box. I created a BAT file for scheduling the spider to run nightly. The BAT file looks like this: @echo off cd c:\cfusionmx\lib\_nti40\bin vspider -cgiok -collection C:\CFusionMX\verity\collections\SABORSearch -common c:\cfusionmx\lib\common -start http://localhost/sabor -indinclude * Within the CF Administrator, the Connected Local Verity Collections is in this state: SABORSearchYES YESYES english C:\CFusionMX\verity\collections\SABORSearch\ And the Connected Verity Collections is in this state: localhost 9901 YES NO 125000 Like I said, this was working. The PARTS directory for the collection had about 10 GB of files in it. This is a large site and it was crawling a lot of pages. Each day's catalog looked to be about 500 MB. I have repaired the collection, indexed the collection, optomized the collection, and most recently purged the collection, still nothing will run. Recently, the Spider has stopped working and just hangs right after the Info 2005/10/27 10:28:37 (ind005006) Licensed for local host spidering. This is where is always hangs, until it consumes the memory on the server, 2GB. This server is a Dual Processor 3.0, with 2GB RAM so I do not think the hardware is an issue. I am sure I am just missing something in the configuration, but I have no idea what. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Vance Duke -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/150 - Release Date: 10/27/2005 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222437 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
How would I send an XML file to another server/application?
I'm sorry that his is such a basic question but frankly I have not had to do this outside of webservices. I will be needing to send an xml document and will need to recieve a responce back also an xml document. What are the mechanics of this action? I am not really sure where to start. CFHTTP? How do I recieve the file? CFFILE? Hehe sorry about the noobness - Ian -- -- Ian Sheridan http://www.savagevines.com -- ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222438 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: How would I send an XML file to another server/application?
Assuming you are sending to another HTTP server, you can use CFHTTP to post a form field that contains the XML information. Then, with the same CFHTTP call, you will receive the reply in the fileContent variable. M!ke -Original Message- From: Ian Sheridan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 10:46 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: How would I send an XML file to another server/application? I'm sorry that his is such a basic question but frankly I have not had to do this outside of webservices. I will be needing to send an xml document and will need to recieve a responce back also an xml document. What are the mechanics of this action? I am not really sure where to start. CFHTTP? How do I recieve the file? CFFILE? Hehe sorry about the noobness - Ian -- -- Ian Sheridan http://www.savagevines.com -- ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222439 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: How would I send an XML file to another server/application?
Here's the code: cfset iteminformation = '?xml version=1.0?ItemUpdateItemCode#ItemCode#/ItemCodeProductNameProdu ctName#/ProductName/ItemUpdat' !--- begin transmission --- cfhttp method=post url=someurl cfhttpparam type=header name=Content-Type value=application/x-www-form-urlencoded / cfhttpparam type=xml value=#xmlstring# / /cfhttp !--- store results --- cfset success = cfhttp.filecontent This particular setup expects a boolean return value. !//-- andy matthews web developer ICGLink, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 615.370.1530 x737 --//- -Original Message- From: Ian Sheridan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 10:46 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: How would I send an XML file to another server/application? I'm sorry that his is such a basic question but frankly I have not had to do this outside of webservices. I will be needing to send an xml document and will need to recieve a responce back also an xml document. What are the mechanics of this action? I am not really sure where to start. CFHTTP? How do I recieve the file? CFFILE? Hehe sorry about the noobness - Ian -- -- Ian Sheridan http://www.savagevines.com -- ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222440 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
CFDirectory
Is it possible to use CFDirectory to access a folder on a different server? I have seen examples of accessing a folder by IP but this to me looks to be servers that have mapped network drives - would this be the only way to do this? Thanks Dave ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222441 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFDirectory
yeah it's got to be accessible from the CF server...so a mapped drive...no go with remote machines Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222444 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFDirectory
i had to do something similar between a windows and solaris box - I wrote a CFC which i exposed as a webservice which returned the recordset returned from a cfdirectory, that might work for you? john. On 10/27/05, Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah it's got to be accessible from the CF server...so a mapped drive...no go with remote machines Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222445 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFDirectory
And as a last case scenario, if you don't have CF on the second box, you could use CFFTP to get the directory structure, assuming you can get FTP access at a root level. =] On 10/27/05, John Beynon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i had to do something similar between a windows and solaris box - I wrote a CFC which i exposed as a webservice which returned the recordset returned from a cfdirectory, that might work for you? john. On 10/27/05, Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah it's got to be accessible from the CF server...so a mapped drive...no go with remote machines Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com http://www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222446 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CFDirectory
As long as the box you are trying to hit has a share set up you can use an unc path like: \\myBox\c$\myfiles\ Tim Heald [EMAIL PROTECTED] ColdFusion Developer Signal Solutions, Inc Work : 202-224-1224 Cell : 703-765-0618 -Original Message- From: Dave Ashworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 12:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFDirectory Is it possible to use CFDirectory to access a folder on a different server? I have seen examples of accessing a folder by IP but this to me looks to be servers that have mapped network drives - would this be the only way to do this? Thanks Dave ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222447 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CFDirectory
You will also need to run the CF services as an account that has permissions to access that remote location. M!ke -Original Message- From: Tim Heald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFDirectory As long as the box you are trying to hit has a share set up you can use an unc path like: \\myBox\c$\myfiles\ Tim Heald [EMAIL PROTECTED] ColdFusion Developer Signal Solutions, Inc Work : 202-224-1224 Cell : 703-765-0618 -Original Message- From: Dave Ashworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 12:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFDirectory Is it possible to use CFDirectory to access a folder on a different server? I have seen examples of accessing a folder by IP but this to me looks to be servers that have mapped network drives - would this be the only way to do this? Thanks Dave ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222448 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Source Control Theory.....
Doug, 10 points for creativity - made me laugh. -mk -Original Message- From: Douglas Knudsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 10:33 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Source Control Theory. we recently chose BUTT over ASS for our SCM solution. BUTT, or Brave User Text Tracker, worked fine and had the same cardinality on the set of issues experienced as ASS, or Applied Source Solutions. Both tools possessed a rather large outflow of community support, unfortunately ASS had that proprietary smell about it, possibly locking us into the large corporate throne above the abyss. The new kid on the block REAR, or Real Edit And Replace, seems quite promising addressing some of the blockage BUTT has with a few items. Other products do exist, but they add a whole new Dimension to the subject at hand. sorry, I couldn't resist...lack of sleep and coding like a monkey brings out the twisted creative, eh? I recently forced CVS onto the members of my team. So far its been fun. TortoiseCVS makes it fairly simple. The only real difficulty is branching and merging of branches, a tricky thing for sure. We went with CVS/tortoise because it was free, well known with a great public support, and our team is small. Our company has officially chosen Dimensions, a huge product that is not for the faint of heart. DK ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222449 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
CFInput Validate
So does the validating work in the MX7 cfform with cfinput any more. I am simply trying to use the validate for an integer in the cfinput and it is just ignoreing it and not validating. I have never had trouble with this, but this is new MX7 for me. Did this change or another way to do it??? Dan ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222450 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CFInput Validate
Not sure with MX7, but just a thought... If this is HTML output you're talking about and not flash forms, make sure that your site has access to the /CFIDE directory so it can access the javascript that it needs. If /CFIDE is not in your root, you can copy the files there yourself (probably not the best idea) or you can create a virtual directory. Just ensure that if you don't have the /CFIDE directory in there for a reason (security) ensure that you use HTTP authentication or something similar to block access to the /CFIDE/Administrator. John Burns Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer -Original Message- From: Dan Cone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 1:00 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFInput Validate So does the validating work in the MX7 cfform with cfinput any more. I am simply trying to use the validate for an integer in the cfinput and it is just ignoreing it and not validating. I have never had trouble with this, but this is new MX7 for me. Did this change or another way to do it??? Dan ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222451 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: ColdFusion MX7 and Flex Recommendations
I guess I was confused because I had downloaded Flex1.5 and was playing with that a little bit before I read all the Flex 2 alpha hooplah. So I was basically looking for the Flex 2 equivalent of the Flex1.5 server. But there is none yet. As you said, basically you compile the Flex code into an SWF which you can just plonk in your webroot. So will the Enterprise Services be similar to what I was thinking of Flex1.5? From what I read at Macromedia Labs, it seems that with Flex Enterprise Services, you can talk directly to the database? Eliminating the need for Coldfusion? Or do I have this wrong? I guess I wonder where CF would fit into the picture with Flex Enterprise Services(these are pretty much rhetorical questions, I know Sean that you are not a Flex Representative :) ) I'm pretty much aiming these questions at anyone who may be able to shed some light on the subject. On 10/25/05, Ali Awan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking that to use CF and Flex together there was some sort of Flex server component that could be added to CF server. The Enterprise Data Services component of Flex 2 is/will be a server component but Flex Builder 2 can create standalone SWFs that use HTTP/SOAP to communicate with a server... Would I be correct in assuming then, that the CF Adapter for Flex is similar to Flash Remoting? ...and the CF Adapter provides a new Flash Remoting style way of allowing Flex Builder 2 generated SWFs to communicate with CFCs directly. See: http://labs.macromedia.com/wiki/index.php/CF_Adapter -- Sean A Corfield -- http://corfield.org/ Got frameworks? If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222452 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: How would I send an XML file to another server/application?
I had a client who could not figure out how to send and xml post like Andy's example. On my recieving page I put this code to allow them to post as a named form field or an xml post. cftry cfset RequestXML = FORM.xmlbody cfcatch cfset RequestXML = GetHTTPRequestData().content /cfcatch /cftry ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222453 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: portable SQL queries with date and time values
On 10/27/05, Kerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dont know about best practice, but to ensure date portability I dont use date fields in the DB, I use varchar fields and put ISO dates in them e.g. 20051027T161420 Then if needed, I convert to proper dates once the value is out of the DB. Since I know the string will alway be in the same format, I can use string functions e.g. mid() to pull the data out and create a date - createdate(left(mydate,4),mid(mydate,5,2) e.t.c. Uhm, that way you lose the ability to use some db features (e.g. date comparison, max, etc.), don't you? Thanks. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222454 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: About Flex 2
Thanks Robertson..but I like MM also ..and I love ColdFusion..believe me Regards __ M.Sc. Hassan Arteaga Rodríguez Microsoft Certified System Engineer IT Specialist DIGI Grupo de Desarrollo. COPEXTEL, S.A. Este email y sus adjuntos está dirigido solamente a los destinatarios consignados en el mismo y debe ser considerado confidencial. Si Ud. no es el destinatario consignado o la persona responsable de entregar/enviar el presente, no podrá copiarlo o entregarlo/enviarlo a ninguna otra persona ni utilizar el mismo en forma no autorizada. Dichas acciones están prohibidas y pueden ser consideradas ilegales. Si Ud. recibiese este email por error, por favor comuníquelo de inmediato al emisor del mismo. -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 9:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: About Flex 2 If you are MS - you could always just use Atlas ;-) -Original Message- From: Hassan Arteaga [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 October 2005 15:30 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: About Flex 2 Thanks Joe ... Now I have how to start __ M.Sc. Hassan Arteaga Rodríguez Microsoft Certified System Engineer IT Specialist DIGI Grupo de Desarrollo. COPEXTEL, S.A. Este email y sus adjuntos está dirigido solamente a los destinatarios consignados en el mismo y debe ser considerado confidencial. Si Ud. no es el destinatario consignado o la persona responsable de entregar/enviar el presente, no podrá copiarlo o entregarlo/enviarlo a ninguna otra persona ni utilizar el mismo en forma no autorizada. Dichas acciones están prohibidas y pueden ser consideradas ilegales. Si Ud. recibiese este email por error, por favor comuníquelo de inmediato al emisor del mismo. -Original Message- From: Joe Rinehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 5:12 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: About Flex 2 I would download and install the Flex Builder 2 alpha from labs.macromedia.com. It comes with a good set of tutorials, etc. -Joe On 10/26/05, Hassan Arteaga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all: I'd like to start my first steps in Flex.. Simple question: What I need to install in order to build my fisrt Hello word app ? Regards __ M.Sc. Hassan Arteaga Rodríguez Microsoft Certified System Engineer IT Specialist DIGI Grupo de Desarrollo. COPEXTEL, S.A. Este email y sus adjuntos está dirigido solamente a los destinatarios consignados en el mismo y debe ser considerado confidencial. Si Ud. no es el destinatario consignado o la persona responsable de entregar/enviar el presente, no podrá copiarlo o entregarlo/enviarlo a ninguna otra persona ni utilizar el mismo en forma no autorizada. Dichas acciones están prohibidas y pueden ser consideradas ilegales. Si Ud. recibiese este email por error, por favor comuníquelo de inmediato al emisor del mismo. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222455 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications?
Hi, all... I've been interested in building web applications that don't require a page refresh for a few years now. First Iooked at Flash...didn't like it a few versions ago...and still don't. Don't want to work with the Flash GUI or learn ActionScript. Now, along comes AJAX...everyone's excited. But upon further examination, to use it I've got to learn Javascript and other technologies about which I know virtually nothing. (And no...I don't have a market at this time that would justify the effort) My question is this...why not just use inline frames (as someone mentioned recently as their method for building applications) to simulate non-page refreshing apps? I've used them a little, but not a lot, so I'd like some feedback on what the drawbacks are to building apps using inline frames...I can stick to Cold Fusion and HTML alone...no Javascript, no Actionscript...sounds good to me. Can anyone point me to some online examples of significant inline frames usage to build apps? What am I missing? Thanks for any feedback and guidance... Rick ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222456 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications?
The biggest problem with using frames is concurrency. You can't do more than one thing at a time (unless you have two frames, then it's two things at a time), which can be very troubling. With Flash and JS remoting you can perform multiple concurrent actions, which is very useful. You also get the capability to pass complex data fairly easily, and move a lot of your UI logic to the client-side, which results in a far better user experience. And don't think you can use inline frames without JS. When the frame loads, you have to parse out the content that you need, and then rebuild the visible document with that new content. cheers, barneyb On 10/27/05, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, all... I've been interested in building web applications that don't require a page refresh for a few years now. First Iooked at Flash...didn't like it a few versions ago...and still don't. Don't want to work with the Flash GUI or learn ActionScript. Now, along comes AJAX...everyone's excited. But upon further examination, to use it I've got to learn Javascript and other technologies about which I know virtually nothing. (And no...I don't have a market at this time that would justify the effort) My question is this...why not just use inline frames (as someone mentioned recently as their method for building applications) to simulate non-page refreshing apps? I've used them a little, but not a lot, so I'd like some feedback on what the drawbacks are to building apps using inline frames...I can stick to Cold Fusion and HTML alone...no Javascript, no Actionscript...sounds good to me. Can anyone point me to some online examples of significant inline frames usage to build apps? What am I missing? Thanks for any feedback and guidance... Rick -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 100 invites. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222457 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications?
Thanks for the insights, Barney... Question: Can an inline frame be setup to trigger another iframe when some action is performed that triggers it? Not clear, I know...so...a scenario... Three iframes on a page...click on a link in first frame, second frame responds, and causes third frame to respondlike a chain reaction. If so, would this substitute for concurrency? Rick -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? The biggest problem with using frames is concurrency. You can't do more than one thing at a time (unless you have two frames, then it's two things at a time), which can be very troubling. With Flash and JS remoting you can perform multiple concurrent actions, which is very useful. You also get the capability to pass complex data fairly easily, and move a lot of your UI logic to the client-side, which results in a far better user experience. And don't think you can use inline frames without JS. When the frame loads, you have to parse out the content that you need, and then rebuild the visible document with that new content. cheers, barneyb On 10/27/05, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, all... I've been interested in building web applications that don't require a page refresh for a few years now. First Iooked at Flash...didn't like it a few versions ago...and still don't. Don't want to work with the Flash GUI or learn ActionScript. Now, along comes AJAX...everyone's excited. But upon further examination, to use it I've got to learn Javascript and other technologies about which I know virtually nothing. (And no...I don't have a market at this time that would justify the effort) My question is this...why not just use inline frames (as someone mentioned recently as their method for building applications) to simulate non-page refreshing apps? I've used them a little, but not a lot, so I'd like some feedback on what the drawbacks are to building apps using inline frames...I can stick to Cold Fusion and HTML alone...no Javascript, no Actionscript...sounds good to me. Can anyone point me to some online examples of significant inline frames usage to build apps? What am I missing? Thanks for any feedback and guidance... Rick -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 100 invites. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222458 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications?
Seems like you're doing more work trying to avoid work. - Matt Small -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Thanks for the insights, Barney... Question: Can an inline frame be setup to trigger another iframe when some action is performed that triggers it? Not clear, I know...so...a scenario... Three iframes on a page...click on a link in first frame, second frame responds, and causes third frame to respondlike a chain reaction. If so, would this substitute for concurrency? Rick -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? The biggest problem with using frames is concurrency. You can't do more than one thing at a time (unless you have two frames, then it's two things at a time), which can be very troubling. With Flash and JS remoting you can perform multiple concurrent actions, which is very useful. You also get the capability to pass complex data fairly easily, and move a lot of your UI logic to the client-side, which results in a far better user experience. And don't think you can use inline frames without JS. When the frame loads, you have to parse out the content that you need, and then rebuild the visible document with that new content. cheers, barneyb On 10/27/05, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, all... I've been interested in building web applications that don't require a page refresh for a few years now. First Iooked at Flash...didn't like it a few versions ago...and still don't. Don't want to work with the Flash GUI or learn ActionScript. Now, along comes AJAX...everyone's excited. But upon further examination, to use it I've got to learn Javascript and other technologies about which I know virtually nothing. (And no...I don't have a market at this time that would justify the effort) My question is this...why not just use inline frames (as someone mentioned recently as their method for building applications) to simulate non-page refreshing apps? I've used them a little, but not a lot, so I'd like some feedback on what the drawbacks are to building apps using inline frames...I can stick to Cold Fusion and HTML alone...no Javascript, no Actionscript...sounds good to me. Can anyone point me to some online examples of significant inline frames usage to build apps? What am I missing? Thanks for any feedback and guidance... Rick -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 100 invites. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222459 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Oracle IN limit
Does anyone know if there is a limit to how many items I can put in an IN clause? Bob ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222460 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Oracle IN limit
If you have a subquery within the IN, no, there is no limit. If you specify individual items (1,2,4,2, etc.), I have reached a limit with SQL Server, but I don't recall what it was (well into the 5 figures). A subquery is the best solution. Mike -Original Message- From: Robert Everland III [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:01 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Oracle IN limit Does anyone know if there is a limit to how many items I can put in an IN clause? Bob ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222461 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Oracle IN limit
There is a limit to it, but offhand I do not know what it is. On 10/27/05, Robert Everland III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if there is a limit to how many items I can put in an IN clause? Bob ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222462 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Oracle IN limit
On 10/27/05, Robert Everland III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if there is a limit to how many items I can put in an IN clause? 1000. Regards, Dave. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222464 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Oracle IN limit
1000 Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222463 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications?
I'm with Matt. You don't need to hack your way around these problems with proper JS remoting, and I assure you that in the long run, picking up some JS will be a lot less effort, not to mention beneficial for myriad other applications. I'm not one to generally praise the perfection of one language/solution or another, but in this case, hacking a solution is only going to piss you off in the long run. If you don't want to learn JS or Flash/Flex, your sanity (and your users' experience) will be better off if you just stick with standard page-refresh based CF. cheers, barneyb On 10/27/05, Matthew Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems like you're doing more work trying to avoid work. - Matt Small -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 100 invites. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222465 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Oracle IN limit
Yes, yes there is. On 10/27/05, Robert Everland III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if there is a limit to how many items I can put in an IN clause? Bob ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222466 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Oracle IN limit
If you have a subquery within the IN, no, there is no limit. Are you sure about that?? Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222467 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications?
This is possible. You can use javascript to trigger an action from one frame to another. !//-- andy matthews web developer ICGLink, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 615.370.1530 x737 --//- -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 2:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Thanks for the insights, Barney... Question: Can an inline frame be setup to trigger another iframe when some action is performed that triggers it? Not clear, I know...so...a scenario... Three iframes on a page...click on a link in first frame, second frame responds, and causes third frame to respondlike a chain reaction. If so, would this substitute for concurrency? Rick -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? The biggest problem with using frames is concurrency. You can't do more than one thing at a time (unless you have two frames, then it's two things at a time), which can be very troubling. With Flash and JS remoting you can perform multiple concurrent actions, which is very useful. You also get the capability to pass complex data fairly easily, and move a lot of your UI logic to the client-side, which results in a far better user experience. And don't think you can use inline frames without JS. When the frame loads, you have to parse out the content that you need, and then rebuild the visible document with that new content. cheers, barneyb On 10/27/05, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, all... I've been interested in building web applications that don't require a page refresh for a few years now. First Iooked at Flash...didn't like it a few versions ago...and still don't. Don't want to work with the Flash GUI or learn ActionScript. Now, along comes AJAX...everyone's excited. But upon further examination, to use it I've got to learn Javascript and other technologies about which I know virtually nothing. (And no...I don't have a market at this time that would justify the effort) My question is this...why not just use inline frames (as someone mentioned recently as their method for building applications) to simulate non-page refreshing apps? I've used them a little, but not a lot, so I'd like some feedback on what the drawbacks are to building apps using inline frames...I can stick to Cold Fusion and HTML alone...no Javascript, no Actionscript...sounds good to me. Can anyone point me to some online examples of significant inline frames usage to build apps? What am I missing? Thanks for any feedback and guidance... Rick -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 100 invites. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222468 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications?
Possibly...but that's definitely not true when it comes to Flash and Actionscript...I've tried working with Flash through the last 3 or 4 versions, including the latest, but I don't like working with the Flash timeline (and I'm familiar with timelines, because I do video editing every day with one, including animation)...Flash is just too much buck (work) for the bang...client's (at least mine) don't want to pay for that much work...besides, I don't like it anyway. Now about AJAX...I don't know...could be easier or not...but my research to this point tells me a lot harder...inline frames are easy to understand. I just don't think the tools are ready for Rich Client apps that I require for working with them...I want them to be easier...nothing wrong with that. Right now, it seems that Rich Clients and AJAX technology are still too much in their early stages for me. They still look like they're trying to frankenstein technologies together that weren't originally meant to work that way. Perhaps I need to wait until AJAX 4.0 comes out and by that time there will be AJAX tools available to make it easier... I may be missing the boat and my perspective may be totally skewed, so feel free to correct me...this is research time... Rick -Original Message- From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Seems like you're doing more work trying to avoid work. - Matt Small -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Thanks for the insights, Barney... Question: Can an inline frame be setup to trigger another iframe when some action is performed that triggers it? Not clear, I know...so...a scenario... Three iframes on a page...click on a link in first frame, second frame responds, and causes third frame to respondlike a chain reaction. If so, would this substitute for concurrency? Rick -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? The biggest problem with using frames is concurrency. You can't do more than one thing at a time (unless you have two frames, then it's two things at a time), which can be very troubling. With Flash and JS remoting you can perform multiple concurrent actions, which is very useful. You also get the capability to pass complex data fairly easily, and move a lot of your UI logic to the client-side, which results in a far better user experience. And don't think you can use inline frames without JS. When the frame loads, you have to parse out the content that you need, and then rebuild the visible document with that new content. cheers, barneyb On 10/27/05, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, all... I've been interested in building web applications that don't require a page refresh for a few years now. First Iooked at Flash...didn't like it a few versions ago...and still don't. Don't want to work with the Flash GUI or learn ActionScript. Now, along comes AJAX...everyone's excited. But upon further examination, to use it I've got to learn Javascript and other technologies about which I know virtually nothing. (And no...I don't have a market at this time that would justify the effort) My question is this...why not just use inline frames (as someone mentioned recently as their method for building applications) to simulate non-page refreshing apps? I've used them a little, but not a lot, so I'd like some feedback on what the drawbacks are to building apps using inline frames...I can stick to Cold Fusion and HTML alone...no Javascript, no Actionscript...sounds good to me. Can anyone point me to some online examples of significant inline frames usage to build apps? What am I missing? Thanks for any feedback and guidance... Rick -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 100 invites. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222469 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe:
RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications?
your sanity (and your users' experience) will be better off if you just stick with standard page-refresh based CF. You may very well be correct...I guess that's what I'm trying to decide. Is this technology right for me to tackle, or should I wait a little longer for it to mature and tools to catch up. Rick -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 4:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? I'm with Matt. You don't need to hack your way around these problems with proper JS remoting, and I assure you that in the long run, picking up some JS will be a lot less effort, not to mention beneficial for myriad other applications. I'm not one to generally praise the perfection of one language/solution or another, but in this case, hacking a solution is only going to piss you off in the long run. If you don't want to learn JS or Flash/Flex, your sanity (and your users' experience) will be better off if you just stick with standard page-refresh based CF. cheers, barneyb On 10/27/05, Matthew Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems like you're doing more work trying to avoid work. - Matt Small -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 100 invites. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222470 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications?
On 10/27/05, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, all... I've been interested in building web applications that don't require a page refresh for a few years now. First Iooked at Flash...didn't like it a few versions ago...and still don't. Don't want to work with the Flash GUI or learn ActionScript. Now, along comes AJAX...everyone's excited. But upon further examination, to use it I've got to learn Javascript and other technologies about which I know virtually nothing. (And no...I don't have a market at this time that would justify the effort) Traditional wisdom is that you can't do a decent with frames without JavaScript. I would say with certainty that to do any sort of good web application you'll really have to learn some client-side language. That could be Flash, JavaScript, VBScript or whatever - each has its trade offs and benefits. But you need something on the client you can work with. Remember too that Action Script and JavaScript are both, for the most part, the same language - they just access different object models. In many cases JavaScript code can be used directly in Flash and vice versa. Learning JavaScript will open the door to lots of other things. Windows Scripting Host is JavaScript based. You can also use it in many application scripts. It's nifty. ;^) Jim Davis ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222471 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications?
Would it be as simple as commands such as onload...do something ??? Rick -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 4:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? This is possible. You can use javascript to trigger an action from one frame to another. !//-- andy matthews web developer ICGLink, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 615.370.1530 x737 --//- -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 2:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Thanks for the insights, Barney... Question: Can an inline frame be setup to trigger another iframe when some action is performed that triggers it? Not clear, I know...so...a scenario... Three iframes on a page...click on a link in first frame, second frame responds, and causes third frame to respondlike a chain reaction. If so, would this substitute for concurrency? Rick -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? The biggest problem with using frames is concurrency. You can't do more than one thing at a time (unless you have two frames, then it's two things at a time), which can be very troubling. With Flash and JS remoting you can perform multiple concurrent actions, which is very useful. You also get the capability to pass complex data fairly easily, and move a lot of your UI logic to the client-side, which results in a far better user experience. And don't think you can use inline frames without JS. When the frame loads, you have to parse out the content that you need, and then rebuild the visible document with that new content. cheers, barneyb On 10/27/05, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, all... I've been interested in building web applications that don't require a page refresh for a few years now. First Iooked at Flash...didn't like it a few versions ago...and still don't. Don't want to work with the Flash GUI or learn ActionScript. Now, along comes AJAX...everyone's excited. But upon further examination, to use it I've got to learn Javascript and other technologies about which I know virtually nothing. (And no...I don't have a market at this time that would justify the effort) My question is this...why not just use inline frames (as someone mentioned recently as their method for building applications) to simulate non-page refreshing apps? I've used them a little, but not a lot, so I'd like some feedback on what the drawbacks are to building apps using inline frames...I can stick to Cold Fusion and HTML alone...no Javascript, no Actionscript...sounds good to me. Can anyone point me to some online examples of significant inline frames usage to build apps? What am I missing? Thanks for any feedback and guidance... Rick -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 100 invites. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222472 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications?
Rick Faircloth wrote: I've used them a little, but not a lot, so I'd like some feedback on what the drawbacks are to building apps using inline frames... In all the AJaX discussion I've seen a lot of i did that years ago with frames, but I don't recall anyone coming back with reasons how the MS XmlHttpRequest is better. Refresh the hidden frame, then use JavaScript to pass the data to the main display... seems to work just as well, from what I've seen, and browser support is a little better (older Moz, etc). There are examples online, but I haven't tested which search terms give the most useful hits. jd -- John Dowdell . Macromedia Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://www.macromedia.com/go/blog_jd Aggregator: http://www.macromedia.com/go/weblogs Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222473 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications?
I don't know your programming experience, but if you're a traditional programmer, Javascript is far easier to learn than Flash. I've also done Flash, it's not intuitive for people who think linearly like myself. Flash deals with timelines, Javascript is procedural/OO/not Timeline. It's a terrific skill to know, it can be incredibly fun to integrate your CF into as well. I would recommend you learn it just for fun if nothing else. I think it's easier than you are worried about and you get to work with AJAX if that's your goal. - Matt Smalll -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 4:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Possibly...but that's definitely not true when it comes to Flash and Actionscript...I've tried working with Flash through the last 3 or 4 versions, including the latest, but I don't like working with the Flash timeline (and I'm familiar with timelines, because I do video editing every day with one, including animation)...Flash is just too much buck (work) for the bang...client's (at least mine) don't want to pay for that much work...besides, I don't like it anyway. Now about AJAX...I don't know...could be easier or not...but my research to this point tells me a lot harder...inline frames are easy to understand. I just don't think the tools are ready for Rich Client apps that I require for working with them...I want them to be easier...nothing wrong with that. Right now, it seems that Rich Clients and AJAX technology are still too much in their early stages for me. They still look like they're trying to frankenstein technologies together that weren't originally meant to work that way. Perhaps I need to wait until AJAX 4.0 comes out and by that time there will be AJAX tools available to make it easier... I may be missing the boat and my perspective may be totally skewed, so feel free to correct me...this is research time... Rick -Original Message- From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Seems like you're doing more work trying to avoid work. - Matt Small -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Thanks for the insights, Barney... Question: Can an inline frame be setup to trigger another iframe when some action is performed that triggers it? Not clear, I know...so...a scenario... Three iframes on a page...click on a link in first frame, second frame responds, and causes third frame to respondlike a chain reaction. If so, would this substitute for concurrency? Rick -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? The biggest problem with using frames is concurrency. You can't do more than one thing at a time (unless you have two frames, then it's two things at a time), which can be very troubling. With Flash and JS remoting you can perform multiple concurrent actions, which is very useful. You also get the capability to pass complex data fairly easily, and move a lot of your UI logic to the client-side, which results in a far better user experience. And don't think you can use inline frames without JS. When the frame loads, you have to parse out the content that you need, and then rebuild the visible document with that new content. cheers, barneyb On 10/27/05, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, all... I've been interested in building web applications that don't require a page refresh for a few years now. First Iooked at Flash...didn't like it a few versions ago...and still don't. Don't want to work with the Flash GUI or learn ActionScript. Now, along comes AJAX...everyone's excited. But upon further examination, to use it I've got to learn Javascript and other technologies about which I know virtually nothing. (And no...I don't have a market at this time that would justify the effort) My question is this...why not just use inline frames (as someone mentioned recently as their method for building applications) to simulate non-page refreshing apps? I've used them a little, but not a lot, so I'd like some feedback on what the drawbacks are to building apps using inline frames...I can stick to Cold Fusion and HTML alone...no Javascript, no Actionscript...sounds good to me. Can anyone point me to some online examples of significant inline frames usage to build apps? What am I missing? Thanks for any feedback and
Re: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications?
I used IFrames in a site and it worked great, but with my situation it was like going into a black hole. Once you go in, you can't come out. Will ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222475 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications?
Well, JS remoting capabilities have been around since the late ninties, so it's hardly new technology. I'm not sure why there's been a sudden upsurge in interest, because it's certainly not a new concept, and has been used all over the place for many years. I think the word AJAX has some subconcious appeal to people, because that's all it is: a buzzword. There is no such thing as AJAX technology, no versions of it, nothing. I'll certainly agree that IFRAMEs are easier to understand than JS remoting, but then, a steak knife is easier to understand than a compound miter saw as well. You could frame a house with either one, but, well, you see where I'm going. ;) Part of being a good developer is being familiar with enough tools to pick the right one for a job, and also to appreciate that some jobs fall outside your domain experience, and you'll either have to expand your domain, or turn down the job. It's a hard fact of life (no one likes to say yeah, um, I don't know how to do that), but it is a fact. And the more varied your knowledge, the less it'll happen. Apologies for getting all philisophical and preachy, but such is life. cheers, barneyb On 10/27/05, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Possibly...but that's definitely not true when it comes to Flash and Actionscript...I've tried working with Flash through the last 3 or 4 versions, including the latest, but I don't like working with the Flash timeline (and I'm familiar with timelines, because I do video editing every day with one, including animation)...Flash is just too much buck (work) for the bang...client's (at least mine) don't want to pay for that much work...besides, I don't like it anyway. Now about AJAX...I don't know...could be easier or not...but my research to this point tells me a lot harder...inline frames are easy to understand. I just don't think the tools are ready for Rich Client apps that I require for working with them...I want them to be easier...nothing wrong with that. Right now, it seems that Rich Clients and AJAX technology are still too much in their early stages for me. They still look like they're trying to frankenstein technologies together that weren't originally meant to work that way. Perhaps I need to wait until AJAX 4.0 comes out and by that time there will be AJAX tools available to make it easier... I may be missing the boat and my perspective may be totally skewed, so feel free to correct me...this is research time... Rick -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 100 invites. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222476 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications?
Developers using Flash should basically have a one-frame movie with AS in that frame that stops playback and loads their main AS file from disk. That's it. Your designers can build you libraries of symbols and then you dynamically link them in to use them. So it's really very similar to non-Flash development. You have your code, it does stuff and renders a UI using designer specified elements (clips, graphics, etc. in Flash, images, css, html in CF). Best of all, you don't have to use that hellishly horrendous Flash IDE, which sucks. Though with the advent of Zorn, things might all change (for the better). cheers, barneyb On 10/27/05, Matthew Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know your programming experience, but if you're a traditional programmer, Javascript is far easier to learn than Flash. I've also done Flash, it's not intuitive for people who think linearly like myself. Flash deals with timelines, Javascript is procedural/OO/not Timeline. It's a terrific skill to know, it can be incredibly fun to integrate your CF into as well. I would recommend you learn it just for fun if nothing else. I think it's easier than you are worried about and you get to work with AJAX if that's your goal. - Matt Smalll -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 100 invites. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222477 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications?
Refresh the hidden frame, then use JavaScript to pass the data to the main display... seems to work just as well, from what I've seen, and browser support is a little better (older Moz, etc). Interesting...hadn't even thought about using the hidden frames...I was just think about visible inline frames that appear as part of the page to display data... Rick -Original Message- From: John Dowdell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 4:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Rick Faircloth wrote: I've used them a little, but not a lot, so I'd like some feedback on what the drawbacks are to building apps using inline frames... In all the AJaX discussion I've seen a lot of i did that years ago with frames, but I don't recall anyone coming back with reasons how the MS XmlHttpRequest is better. Refresh the hidden frame, then use JavaScript to pass the data to the main display... seems to work just as well, from what I've seen, and browser support is a little better (older Moz, etc). There are examples online, but I haven't tested which search terms give the most useful hits. jd ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222478 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications?
The biggest reason is concurrency, but with JS remoting you can also leverage a lot of libraries to make your job easier. Like transparent SOAP packaging for hitting web services, for example. In a client-side UI, your interface almost has to be event driven, or it'll be really cumbersome. That necessitates good concurency in your controller, which means that you need to be able to do multiple (unrelated) things at a time. Synchronous requests are also a very beneficial thing to have for certain actions where you want the user to have to wait to do the next thing, and are impossible with IFRAMEs. cheers, barneyb On 10/27/05, John Dowdell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick Faircloth wrote: I've used them a little, but not a lot, so I'd like some feedback on what the drawbacks are to building apps using inline frames... In all the AJaX discussion I've seen a lot of i did that years ago with frames, but I don't recall anyone coming back with reasons how the MS XmlHttpRequest is better. Refresh the hidden frame, then use JavaScript to pass the data to the main display... seems to work just as well, from what I've seen, and browser support is a little better (older Moz, etc). There are examples online, but I haven't tested which search terms give the most useful hits. jd -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 100 invites. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222479 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications?
with my situation it was like going into a black hole. Once you go in, you can't come out. Care to elaborate? Rick -Original Message- From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 4:26 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? I used IFrames in a site and it worked great, but with my situation it was like going into a black hole. Once you go in, you can't come out. Will ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222480 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Apologies for getting all philisophical and preachy, but such is life. No...you're absolutely right. I know that AS, JS, and AJAX are outside my domain, experience, and comfort zone. I come at this not from a programmer for a corporation, where my job may depend on knowing some of this stuff. The sites I build are dynamic using CF, but no other languages. I'm a one-man shop with relatively small-time clients who don't even know what a dynamic site is until I introduce it to them. Being an independent designer/programmer (CF), without a salary, I have to work project to project for income and none of my clients are asking for Rich Client apps...but some are asking for office apps to use in-house to replace software. I'm always looking for better ways to do that, but at a reasonable cost / effort perspective. They have no demands for Rich Clients, but I often sell solutions I develop before clients know they need them. But some solutions are just too costly to work on. (Time mainly, which translates to income) The question I'm asking myself is would something like inline frames suffice for now, since they're easily implemented? I'm doing the same sort of thing with CFINCLUDEs for tables, etc., instead making clients go to another page to fill out a form, I just CFINCLUDE the form on the page when they click the Add Account link. Looks to me like the only thing refreshed is the DIV I'd placed the table in. (Just been playing around with DIV's as containers) Rick -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 4:30 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Well, JS remoting capabilities have been around since the late ninties, so it's hardly new technology. I'm not sure why there's been a sudden upsurge in interest, because it's certainly not a new concept, and has been used all over the place for many years. I think the word AJAX has some subconcious appeal to people, because that's all it is: a buzzword. There is no such thing as AJAX technology, no versions of it, nothing. I'll certainly agree that IFRAMEs are easier to understand than JS remoting, but then, a steak knife is easier to understand than a compound miter saw as well. You could frame a house with either one, but, well, you see where I'm going. ;) Part of being a good developer is being familiar with enough tools to pick the right one for a job, and also to appreciate that some jobs fall outside your domain experience, and you'll either have to expand your domain, or turn down the job. It's a hard fact of life (no one likes to say yeah, um, I don't know how to do that), but it is a fact. And the more varied your knowledge, the less it'll happen. Apologies for getting all philisophical and preachy, but such is life. cheers, barneyb ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222481 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Haven't heard of Zorn...got a URL? Rick -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 4:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Developers using Flash should basically have a one-frame movie with AS in that frame that stops playback and loads their main AS file from disk. That's it. Your designers can build you libraries of symbols and then you dynamically link them in to use them. So it's really very similar to non-Flash development. You have your code, it does stuff and renders a UI using designer specified elements (clips, graphics, etc. in Flash, images, css, html in CF). Best of all, you don't have to use that hellishly horrendous Flash IDE, which sucks. Though with the advent of Zorn, things might all change (for the better). cheers, barneyb On 10/27/05, Matthew Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know your programming experience, but if you're a traditional programmer, Javascript is far easier to learn than Flash. I've also done Flash, it's not intuitive for people who think linearly like myself. Flash deals with timelines, Javascript is procedural/OO/not Timeline. It's a terrific skill to know, it can be incredibly fun to integrate your CF into as well. I would recommend you learn it just for fun if nothing else. I think it's easier than you are worried about and you get to work with AJAX if that's your goal. - Matt Smalll -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 100 invites. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222482 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Flex 2. Don't have a URL, but should be easy to find on MM's site. cheers, barneyb On 10/27/05, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Haven't heard of Zorn...got a URL? Rick -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 100 invites. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222483 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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http://labs.macromedia.com/technologies/flexbuilder2/ -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 2:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Flex 2. Don't have a URL, but should be easy to find on MM's site. cheers, barneyb On 10/27/05, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Haven't heard of Zorn...got a URL? Rick This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. A1. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222484 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Additionally, learning Javascript when in a web appllication world, can only improve your capabilities and employablity -Original Message- From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Seems like you're doing more work trying to avoid work. - Matt Small -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Thanks for the insights, Barney... Question: Can an inline frame be setup to trigger another iframe when some action is performed that triggers it? Not clear, I know...so...a scenario... Three iframes on a page...click on a link in first frame, second frame responds, and causes third frame to respondlike a chain reaction. If so, would this substitute for concurrency? Rick -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? The biggest problem with using frames is concurrency. You can't do more than one thing at a time (unless you have two frames, then it's two things at a time), which can be very troubling. With Flash and JS remoting you can perform multiple concurrent actions, which is very useful. You also get the capability to pass complex data fairly easily, and move a lot of your UI logic to the client-side, which results in a far better user experience. And don't think you can use inline frames without JS. When the frame loads, you have to parse out the content that you need, and then rebuild the visible document with that new content. cheers, barneyb On 10/27/05, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, all... I've been interested in building web applications that don't require a page refresh for a few years now. First Iooked at Flash...didn't like it a few versions ago...and still don't. Don't want to work with the Flash GUI or learn ActionScript. Now, along comes AJAX...everyone's excited. But upon further examination, to use it I've got to learn Javascript and other technologies about which I know virtually nothing. (And no...I don't have a market at this time that would justify the effort) My question is this...why not just use inline frames (as someone mentioned recently as their method for building applications) to simulate non-page refreshing apps? I've used them a little, but not a lot, so I'd like some feedback on what the drawbacks are to building apps using inline frames...I can stick to Cold Fusion and HTML alone...no Javascript, no Actionscript...sounds good to me. Can anyone point me to some online examples of significant inline frames usage to build apps? What am I missing? Thanks for any feedback and guidance... Rick -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 100 invites. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222485 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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trust me u dont wanna know about his black hole! you can also use simple cfm like show or hide div's or tables based on conditions ;)~ ~Dave the disruptor~ Some people just don't appreciate how difficult it is to dispense wisdom and abuse at the same time. From: Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 4:41 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? with my situation it was like going into a black hole. Once you go in, you can't come out. Care to elaborate? Rick -Original Message- From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 4:26 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? I used IFrames in a site and it worked great, but with my situation it was like going into a black hole. Once you go in, you can't come out. Will ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222486 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications?
My first AJAX interaction (which was very simple) took me about 15 minutes to complete from googling the term to implementation. Granted I already have exposure to Javascript, but it is worth it. - Calvin -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 4:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Apologies for getting all philisophical and preachy, but such is life. No...you're absolutely right. I know that AS, JS, and AJAX are outside my domain, experience, and comfort zone. I come at this not from a programmer for a corporation, where my job may depend on knowing some of this stuff. The sites I build are dynamic using CF, but no other languages. I'm a one-man shop with relatively small-time clients who don't even know what a dynamic site is until I introduce it to them. Being an independent designer/programmer (CF), without a salary, I have to work project to project for income and none of my clients are asking for Rich Client apps...but some are asking for office apps to use in-house to replace software. I'm always looking for better ways to do that, but at a reasonable cost / effort perspective. They have no demands for Rich Clients, but I often sell solutions I develop before clients know they need them. But some solutions are just too costly to work on. (Time mainly, which translates to income) The question I'm asking myself is would something like inline frames suffice for now, since they're easily implemented? I'm doing the same sort of thing with CFINCLUDEs for tables, etc., instead making clients go to another page to fill out a form, I just CFINCLUDE the form on the page when they click the Add Account link. Looks to me like the only thing refreshed is the DIV I'd placed the table in. (Just been playing around with DIV's as containers) Rick -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 4:30 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Well, JS remoting capabilities have been around since the late ninties, so it's hardly new technology. I'm not sure why there's been a sudden upsurge in interest, because it's certainly not a new concept, and has been used all over the place for many years. I think the word AJAX has some subconcious appeal to people, because that's all it is: a buzzword. There is no such thing as AJAX technology, no versions of it, nothing. I'll certainly agree that IFRAMEs are easier to understand than JS remoting, but then, a steak knife is easier to understand than a compound miter saw as well. You could frame a house with either one, but, well, you see where I'm going. ;) Part of being a good developer is being familiar with enough tools to pick the right one for a job, and also to appreciate that some jobs fall outside your domain experience, and you'll either have to expand your domain, or turn down the job. It's a hard fact of life (no one likes to say yeah, um, I don't know how to do that), but it is a fact. And the more varied your knowledge, the less it'll happen. Apologies for getting all philisophical and preachy, but such is life. cheers, barneyb ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222487 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Not interested in employability as in being an employee... I'm self-employed and plan to stay that way...can never be fired. Does have its drawbacks, but for me it's the only way to go. Rick -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 5:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Additionally, learning Javascript when in a web appllication world, can only improve your capabilities and employablity -Original Message- From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Seems like you're doing more work trying to avoid work. - Matt Small -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Thanks for the insights, Barney... Question: Can an inline frame be setup to trigger another iframe when some action is performed that triggers it? Not clear, I know...so...a scenario... Three iframes on a page...click on a link in first frame, second frame responds, and causes third frame to respondlike a chain reaction. If so, would this substitute for concurrency? Rick -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? The biggest problem with using frames is concurrency. You can't do more than one thing at a time (unless you have two frames, then it's two things at a time), which can be very troubling. With Flash and JS remoting you can perform multiple concurrent actions, which is very useful. You also get the capability to pass complex data fairly easily, and move a lot of your UI logic to the client-side, which results in a far better user experience. And don't think you can use inline frames without JS. When the frame loads, you have to parse out the content that you need, and then rebuild the visible document with that new content. cheers, barneyb On 10/27/05, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, all... I've been interested in building web applications that don't require a page refresh for a few years now. First Iooked at Flash...didn't like it a few versions ago...and still don't. Don't want to work with the Flash GUI or learn ActionScript. Now, along comes AJAX...everyone's excited. But upon further examination, to use it I've got to learn Javascript and other technologies about which I know virtually nothing. (And no...I don't have a market at this time that would justify the effort) My question is this...why not just use inline frames (as someone mentioned recently as their method for building applications) to simulate non-page refreshing apps? I've used them a little, but not a lot, so I'd like some feedback on what the drawbacks are to building apps using inline frames...I can stick to Cold Fusion and HTML alone...no Javascript, no Actionscript...sounds good to me. Can anyone point me to some online examples of significant inline frames usage to build apps? What am I missing? Thanks for any feedback and guidance... Rick -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 100 invites. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222488 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications?
you can also use simple cfm like show or hide div's or tables based on conditions That's mostly what I've been considering lately...working out solutions that involve things that are more easily employed...even if that solution is not quite as effective or elegant as AS, JS, and AJAX solutions. Rick -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 5:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? trust me u dont wanna know about his black hole! you can also use simple cfm like show or hide div's or tables based on conditions ;)~ ~Dave the disruptor~ Some people just don't appreciate how difficult it is to dispense wisdom and abuse at the same time. From: Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 4:41 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? with my situation it was like going into a black hole. Once you go in, you can't come out. Care to elaborate? Rick -Original Message- From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 4:26 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? I used IFrames in a site and it worked great, but with my situation it was like going into a black hole. Once you go in, you can't come out. Will ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222489 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications?
My first AJAX interaction (which was very simple) took me about 15 minutes to complete from googling the term to implementation. But how long would it take you with little or no JS experience... My first AJAX interaction Got that in tutorial form? Rick -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 5:16 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? My first AJAX interaction (which was very simple) took me about 15 minutes to complete from googling the term to implementation. Granted I already have exposure to Javascript, but it is worth it. - Calvin -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 4:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Apologies for getting all philisophical and preachy, but such is life. No...you're absolutely right. I know that AS, JS, and AJAX are outside my domain, experience, and comfort zone. I come at this not from a programmer for a corporation, where my job may depend on knowing some of this stuff. The sites I build are dynamic using CF, but no other languages. I'm a one-man shop with relatively small-time clients who don't even know what a dynamic site is until I introduce it to them. Being an independent designer/programmer (CF), without a salary, I have to work project to project for income and none of my clients are asking for Rich Client apps...but some are asking for office apps to use in-house to replace software. I'm always looking for better ways to do that, but at a reasonable cost / effort perspective. They have no demands for Rich Clients, but I often sell solutions I develop before clients know they need them. But some solutions are just too costly to work on. (Time mainly, which translates to income) The question I'm asking myself is would something like inline frames suffice for now, since they're easily implemented? I'm doing the same sort of thing with CFINCLUDEs for tables, etc., instead making clients go to another page to fill out a form, I just CFINCLUDE the form on the page when they click the Add Account link. Looks to me like the only thing refreshed is the DIV I'd placed the table in. (Just been playing around with DIV's as containers) Rick -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 4:30 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Well, JS remoting capabilities have been around since the late ninties, so it's hardly new technology. I'm not sure why there's been a sudden upsurge in interest, because it's certainly not a new concept, and has been used all over the place for many years. I think the word AJAX has some subconcious appeal to people, because that's all it is: a buzzword. There is no such thing as AJAX technology, no versions of it, nothing. I'll certainly agree that IFRAMEs are easier to understand than JS remoting, but then, a steak knife is easier to understand than a compound miter saw as well. You could frame a house with either one, but, well, you see where I'm going. ;) Part of being a good developer is being familiar with enough tools to pick the right one for a job, and also to appreciate that some jobs fall outside your domain experience, and you'll either have to expand your domain, or turn down the job. It's a hard fact of life (no one likes to say yeah, um, I don't know how to do that), but it is a fact. And the more varied your knowledge, the less it'll happen. Apologies for getting all philisophical and preachy, but such is life. cheers, barneyb ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222490 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Now, along comes AJAX...everyone's excited. But upon further examination, to use it I've got to learn Javascript and other technologies about which I know virtually nothing. If you don't want to learn and use Javascript, you cannot go very far in Web development anyway. -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222491 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] That's mostly what I've been considering lately...working out solutions that involve things that are more easily employed...even if that solution is not quite as effective or elegant as AS, JS, and AJAX solutions. Well, you will need to learn some JS to play games with the div tags. For instance, clicking on a button or changing a select box item doesn't hide/show a div automatically Your resistance to learning various other technologies (JS, AS, AJAX, etc) won't get you very far beyond basic CF and HTML, which might work for you but for how long? ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222492 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications?
Some examples of using hidden iframes here. You might find some JS you can adapt to your purposes. http://www.eswsoftware.com/products/srs/ That's mostly what I've been considering lately...working out solutions that involve things that are more easily employed...even if that solution is not quite as effective or elegant as AS, JS, and AJAX solutions. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222493 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Problem in a Simple webservice: 1D array works 2D fails
Hi we've been working on this and I get to post. Mackenzie Sigh. I'm having a problem returning an array from a webservice. It works when the array is only 1 dimension. When the array has 2 dimensions it does not work. I'm thinking that 2D arrays are supported... CF version is 6,1,0,83762 on Windows 2000. The error returned is: Could not perform web service invocation echoArray because java.lang.NullPointerException Stack Trace at cfremotetest2ecfm2052500108.runPage(D:\htdocs\remotetest.cfm:20) at cfremotetest2ecfm2052500108.runPage(D:\htdocs\remotetest.cfm:20) java.lang.NullPointerException at coldfusion.xml.rpc.ServiceProxy.convertResult(ServiceProxy.java:342) at coldfusion.xml.rpc.ServiceProxy.convertResult(ServiceProxy.java:339) at coldfusion.xml.rpc.ServiceProxy.invokeImpl(ServiceProxy.java:212) at coldfusion.xml.rpc.ServiceProxy.invoke(ServiceProxy.java:132) at coldfusion.runtime.CfJspPage._invoke(CfJspPage.java:1587) at coldfusion.tagext.lang.InvokeTag.doEndTag(InvokeTag.java:372) at cfremotetest2ecfm2052500108.runPage(D:\htdocs\remotetest.cfm:20) at coldfusion.runtime.CfJspPage.invoke(CfJspPage.java:147) at coldfusion.tagext.lang.IncludeTag.doStartTag(IncludeTag.java:357) at coldfusion.filter.CfincludeFilter.invoke(CfincludeFilter.java:62) at coldfusion.filter.ApplicationFilter.invoke(ApplicationFilter.java:107) at coldfusion.filter.RequestMonitorFilter.invoke(RequestMonitorFilter.java:48) at coldfusion.filter.PathFilter.invoke(PathFilter.java:80) at coldfusion.filter.ExceptionFilter.invoke(ExceptionFilter.java:47) at coldfusion.filter.BrowserDebugFilter.invoke(BrowserDebugFilter.java:52) at coldfusion.filter.ClientScopePersistenceFilter.invoke(ClientScopePersistence Filter.java:28) at coldfusion.filter.BrowserFilter.invoke(BrowserFilter.java:35) at coldfusion.filter.GlobalsFilter.invoke(GlobalsFilter.java:43) at coldfusion.filter.DatasourceFilter.invoke(DatasourceFilter.java:22) at coldfusion.CfmServlet.service(CfmServlet.java:105) at jrun.servlet.ServletInvoker.invoke(ServletInvoker.java:91) at jrun.servlet.JRunInvokerChain.invokeNext(JRunInvokerChain.java:42) at jrun.servlet.JRunRequestDispatcher.invoke(JRunRequestDispatcher.java:249) at jrun.servlet.ServletEngineService.dispatch(ServletEngineService.java:527) at jrun.servlet.jrpp.JRunProxyService.invokeRunnable(JRunProxyService.java:192) at jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$DownstreamMetrics.invokeRunnable(ThreadPool.java: 348) at jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$ThreadThrottle.invokeRunnable(ThreadPool.java:451 ) at jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$UpstreamMetrics.invokeRunnable(ThreadPool.java:29 4) at jrunx.scheduler.WorkerThread.run(WorkerThread.java:66) The caller code in remotetest.cfm is: cfinvoke webservice =#sServiceHost#/test.cfc?wsdl method =echoArray returnVariable=foo /cfinvoke The component code is : cfcomponent cffunction name = echoArray returnType = array output = no access = remote cfif 1 cfset aOut = arrayNew(2) cfset aOut[1][1] = 2d cfset aOut[1][2] = 2 cfset aOut[1][3] = b cfset aOut[1][4] = 4 cfset aOut[2][1] = 11 cfset aOut[2][2] = 22 cfset aOut[2][3] = bb cfset aOut[2][4] = cfelse cfset aOut = arrayNew(1) cfset aOut[1] = 1 cfset aOut[2] = 2 cfset aOut[3] = b cfset aOut[4] = /cfif cfreturn aOut /cffunction /cfcomponent Thanks Mackenzie Cosens ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222494 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Client/Session Variable: When to set?
Hello! Need to clear this up once and for all When is the best time to set session/client variables..(Application page or Cart page for an online shop) and why? My understanding is that sites that set session/client variables in Application page have poor search engine ranking. Thanks in advance.. Ben ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222495 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications?
I mean employability in a more broad sense than being an employee. If you prefer, replace employability with marketability... :) -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 5:23 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Not interested in employability as in being an employee... I'm self-employed and plan to stay that way...can never be fired. Does have its drawbacks, but for me it's the only way to go. Rick -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 5:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Additionally, learning Javascript when in a web appllication world, can only improve your capabilities and employablity -Original Message- From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Seems like you're doing more work trying to avoid work. - Matt Small -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Thanks for the insights, Barney... Question: Can an inline frame be setup to trigger another iframe when some action is performed that triggers it? Not clear, I know...so...a scenario... Three iframes on a page...click on a link in first frame, second frame responds, and causes third frame to respondlike a chain reaction. If so, would this substitute for concurrency? Rick -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 3:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? The biggest problem with using frames is concurrency. You can't do more than one thing at a time (unless you have two frames, then it's two things at a time), which can be very troubling. With Flash and JS remoting you can perform multiple concurrent actions, which is very useful. You also get the capability to pass complex data fairly easily, and move a lot of your UI logic to the client-side, which results in a far better user experience. And don't think you can use inline frames without JS. When the frame loads, you have to parse out the content that you need, and then rebuild the visible document with that new content. cheers, barneyb On 10/27/05, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, all... I've been interested in building web applications that don't require a page refresh for a few years now. First Iooked at Flash...didn't like it a few versions ago...and still don't. Don't want to work with the Flash GUI or learn ActionScript. Now, along comes AJAX...everyone's excited. But upon further examination, to use it I've got to learn Javascript and other technologies about which I know virtually nothing. (And no...I don't have a market at this time that would justify the effort) My question is this...why not just use inline frames (as someone mentioned recently as their method for building applications) to simulate non-page refreshing apps? I've used them a little, but not a lot, so I'd like some feedback on what the drawbacks are to building apps using inline frames...I can stick to Cold Fusion and HTML alone...no Javascript, no Actionscript...sounds good to me. Can anyone point me to some online examples of significant inline frames usage to build apps? What am I missing? Thanks for any feedback and guidance... Rick -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 100 invites. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222496 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Client/Session Variable: When to set?
By Application page do you mean Application.cfm? If you do, then the search engine bot is never going to know where the session/client variables are being set. In general, you probably want to allow bots to spider the pages of your shop, but surely client and session variables are irrelevant for viewing pages of your shop catalogue? -Original Message- From: Nomad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 28 October 2005 11:31 a.m. To: CF-Talk Subject: Client/Session Variable: When to set? Hello! Need to clear this up once and for all When is the best time to set session/client variables..(Application page or Cart page for an online shop) and why? My understanding is that sites that set session/client variables in Application page have poor search engine ranking. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222497 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Problem in a Simple webservice: 1D array works 2D fails
I was able to replicate this error on CFMX 6.1. According to the Apache Axis documentation, 2D array support needs to be enabled through the global Axis config. See this document: http://ws.apache.org/axis/java/reference.html Note that 2d array support is disabled by default. Here is the relevant info: Global Axis Configuration The server is configured (by default) by values in the server-config.wsdd file, though a dedicated Axis user can write their own configuration handler, and so store configuration data in an LDAP server, database, remote web service, etc. Consult the source on details as to how to do that. You can also add options to the web.xml file and have them picked up automatically. We don't encourage that as it is nice to keep configuration stuff in one place. In the server-config file, there is a global configuration section, which supports parameter name/value pairs as nested elements. Here are the options that we currently document, though there may be more (consult the source, as usual). globalConfiguration parameter name=adminPassword value=admin/ parameter name=attachments.Directory value=c:\temp\attachments/ parameter name=sendMultiRefs value=true/ parameter name=sendXsiTypes value=true/ parameter name=attachments.implementation value=org.apache.axis.attachments.AttachmentsImpl/ parameter name=sendXMLDeclaration value=true/ parameter name=enable2DArrayEncoding value=true/ parameter name=dotNetSoapEncFix value=false/ /globalConfiguration Hi we've been working on this and I get to post. Mackenzie Sigh. I'm having a problem returning an array from a webservice. It works when the array is only 1 dimension. When the array has 2 dimensions it does not work. I'm thinking that 2D arrays are supported... CF version is 6,1,0,83762 on Windows 2000. The error returned is: Could not perform web service invocation echoArray because java.lang.NullPointerException The caller code in remotetest.cfm is: cfinvoke webservice =#sServiceHost#/test.cfc?wsdl method =echoArray returnVariable=foo /cfinvoke The component code is : cfcomponent cffunction name = echoArray returnType = array output = no access = remote cfif 1 cfset aOut = arrayNew(2) cfset aOut[1][1] = 2d cfset aOut[1][2] = 2 cfset aOut[1][3] = b cfset aOut[1][4] = 4 cfset aOut[2][1] = 11 cfset aOut[2][2] = 22 cfset aOut[2][3] = bb cfset aOut[2][4] = cfelse cfset aOut = arrayNew(1) cfset aOut[1] = 1 cfset aOut[2] = 2 cfset aOut[3] = b cfset aOut[4] = /cfif cfreturn aOut /cffunction /cfcomponent Thanks Mackenzie Cosens ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222498 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications?
Dave Watts likes to ruminate on this subject. The hidden frames/JS passing of data method is something I learned at Fig Leaf in '96 or '97. It works just fine, but it still leaves you with the same issues of concurrency that Barney highlighted, and you'll still need to learn Javascript to really make use of it. I've been playing with AJAX frameworks lately and my vote is to give these things a little time to mature then use them rather than the frames method. Incidentally, I think the reason AJAX is building mindshare is due to the rise of libraries/frameworks that take the labor out of using XMLHTTP and CSS/DHTML. Even though most of the libraries are still half baked or even just vaporware (do a search for AJAX on SourceForge and see what comes up), they represent a big jump forward from having to roll this stuff yourself. Why, for instance, would you ever write a browser detection script? It's just a background task, but a necessary one for building cross-platform AJAX apps. That's why these libraries are so important. I like the Neuromancer library that Rob Rohan and Barney B have been working on. It's beta, but it does some neat stuff. Refresh the hidden frame, then use JavaScript to pass the data to the main display... seems to work just as well, from what I've seen, and browser support is a little better (older Moz, etc). Interesting...hadn't even thought about using the hidden frames...I was just think about visible inline frames that appear as part of the page to display data... Rick ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222499 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications?
If you don't want to learn and use Javascript, you cannot go very far in Web development anyway. (Sorry for leaving the conversation I started...I asked myself (since I'm the boss) if I could get off early and go cycling...I said yes, so off I went...) Depends on how you define go very far...I'm doing quite well with CF and HTML sites with content management systems built-in. Since I host my own sites, I make money beyond the initial development, and that's growing all the time. I've got all I can do now without AS, JS, or AJAX. If you mean I can't climb very high up a corporate ladder, well, that's not right either, because I'm at the top of my corporate ladder now. (There's only one rung on my ladder, however ;o) I get to work only on the projects I choose and answer to no one for my decisions. I get to ignore anything not appealing to me. I make a good living working comfortably from home on my own schedule and, like I said, have all the work I can handle... If I want to take a week off from work and go cycling to Florida, I can do it anytime. Does that meet your criteria for very far? Or am I missing something better that's farther away... I work to live, not live to work... Rick -Original Message- From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 5:32 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Now, along comes AJAX...everyone's excited. But upon further examination, to use it I've got to learn Javascript and other technologies about which I know virtually nothing. If you don't want to learn and use Javascript, you cannot go very far in Web development anyway. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222500 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications?
Your resistance to learning various other technologies (JS, AS, AJAX, etc) won't get you very far beyond basic CF and HTML, which might work for you but for how long? That's the question...at what point will my clients demand more than I can provide with CF and HTML? Seems like a long time at this point, but you never know... Most of my clients do a poor job of utilizing the capabilities I build into their websites now...there's not much reason to build in a lot of functionality with technologies that they'll never use...that's a big frustration of mine. I try to teach them what's possible, but you know what they say about a horse and water... All the time and effort with AS, JS, AJAX, etc., would just be wasted on them... Rick -Original Message- From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 5:31 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] That's mostly what I've been considering lately...working out solutions that involve things that are more easily employed...even if that solution is not quite as effective or elegant as AS, JS, and AJAX solutions. Well, you will need to learn some JS to play games with the div tags. For instance, clicking on a button or changing a select box item doesn't hide/show a div automatically Your resistance to learning various other technologies (JS, AS, AJAX, etc) won't get you very far beyond basic CF and HTML, which might work for you but for how long? ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222501 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications?
Thanks for the referrel, Matthew... Rick -Original Message- From: Matthew Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 5:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Inline frames a good alternative for creating web applications? Some examples of using hidden iframes here. You might find some JS you can adapt to your purposes. http://www.eswsoftware.com/products/srs/ That's mostly what I've been considering lately...working out solutions that involve things that are more easily employed...even if that solution is not quite as effective or elegant as AS, JS, and AJAX solutions. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222502 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
