Re: Replying after the message

[Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)]

An RFC for posting, lol.

Looks like I will have to scroll for more, and more, and more:-)






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From: Dave Watts
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Wed Sep 06 00:31:29 2006
Subject: RE: Replying after the message

> I know Thunderbird etc does this out of the box, and it 
> probably does make sense the way we read etc, but does anyone 
> else find a reply after a message damn annoying?!

No, it's just you.

Here are some relevant links.

The RFC in question (yes, there is one!):
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855 - go to page 7

Posting styles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting

What Top-Posting Is (my favorite description):
http://blinkynet.net/comp/toppost.html

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Re: Search-function on website

[Auke van Leeuwen]

>If you used Verity in CF 5, did you use the K2 engine or the VDK engine? The
>K2 engine is much better in many respects, and if I recall correctly, CFMX
>6.x uses K2 instead of VDK.

I don't realy recall any specific choice that I made. K2 sounds the most 
familiar, but that may be because it's used in later versions of CF. 

>If you want to search PDFs using SQL Server's full-text functionality, you
>can do that with a little work:
>
>http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=2611

Interesting link, I'll look into that.

>However, I don't know how well that works with large numbers of PDF
>documents, since I haven't done it myself. If not for the PDF part, I'd
>unhesitatingly recommend SQL Server full-text indexing over Verity.

Well the thing that bugs me the most of the SQL Server full-text search is the 
fact that it doesn't search on parts of words. I can't really think of a good 
example in English, but Dutch works just as well (only you don't understand the 
words):

Take these three words that appear in texts of different pages: zetel, zetels, 
restzetel(s).

Now if you search for 'zetel' you are presented with the pages with 'zetel' and 
'zetels' if you use a prefix (*) notation in your CONTAINS. However restzetel 
or restzetels does not come up at all. 

LIKE '%zetel%' would of course yield all of these results, which is a desired 
result, but of course I would like a ranking kinda like this: zetel > zetels > 
restzetel > restzetels.

Well.. that being said, I guess I'll have to look into verity again. See if the 
results are somewhat better this time. Thanks for your response.

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Re: Replying after the message

[Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)]

What lists are these?






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-Original Message-
From: Mark Henderson
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Wed Sep 06 05:06:13 2006
Subject: RE: Replying after the message

Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote:
> I know Thunderbird etc does this out of the box, and it 
> probably does make sense the way we read etc, but does anyone 
> else find a reply after a message damn annoying?!

Then Dave Watts responded
> No, it's just you.

I totally agree with Dave but that is just my opinion of course. In
fact, if you happen to be on either the WDD design or css-discuss lists
(and those struggling to learn css really should join) you'll get
politely scolded for top posting (and sometimes NOT so politely!).
Trimming of course certainly does help, and often leaving the entire
contents of the previous email intact, whether you bottom or top post,
makes readability difficult. 

Truly though, there really is no right or wrong answer on this one, it's
more a matter of preference. Microsoft's default has definitely made top
posting the *norm* however.

Here is an argument *for* top posting, though as already stated I'm
certainly not an advocate:
http://www.hawkwings.net/2005/10/03/shooting-yourself-in-the-foot-or-hea
d-one-round-in-the-bottom-vs-top-posting-war/

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Re: Replying after the message

[Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)]

 I think that in is most cases, I am reading on my Blackberry and for long
posts, you get a scroll for more, and more just to read a reply...

I think it is a preference, got a to love a top v bottom preference!








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-Original Message-
From: Mark Henderson
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Wed Sep 06 05:06:13 2006
Subject: RE: Replying after the message

Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote:
> I know Thunderbird etc does this out of the box, and it 
> probably does make sense the way we read etc, but does anyone 
> else find a reply after a message damn annoying?!

Then Dave Watts responded
> No, it's just you.

I totally agree with Dave but that is just my opinion of course. In
fact, if you happen to be on either the WDD design or css-discuss lists
(and those struggling to learn css really should join) you'll get
politely scolded for top posting (and sometimes NOT so politely!).
Trimming of course certainly does help, and often leaving the entire
contents of the previous email intact, whether you bottom or top post,
makes readability difficult. 

Truly though, there really is no right or wrong answer on this one, it's
more a matter of preference. Microsoft's default has definitely made top
posting the *norm* however.

Here is an argument *for* top posting, though as already stated I'm
certainly not an advocate:
http://www.hawkwings.net/2005/10/03/shooting-yourself-in-the-foot-or-hea
d-one-round-in-the-bottom-vs-top-posting-war/

Mark


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Re: passing arguments into a instantiated java object

[James Holmes]

The Object Viewer gives

[empty string]

For the same class.

On 9/6/06, Dan Plesse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does this work for you?
>
> 
> 
>
> 09/06 00:09:44 Error [web-17] - The selected method getClass was not
> found.Either there are no methods with the specified method name and
> argument types, or the method getClass is overloaded with arguments types
> that ColdFusion can't decipher reliably. If this is a Java object and you
> verified that the method exists, you may need to use the javacast function
> to reduce ambiguity. The specific sequence of files included or processed
> is: C:\CFusionMX7\wwwroot\GetMetaData.cfm, line: 29


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Re: Google chat down?

[Richard Dillman]

yea just log out and back in.  should take care of it.

On 9/5/06, James Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I did - I logged into gmail again and now it's ok.
>
> On 9/5/06, Matt Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Any other gmail users see this message where thier quick contact list
> should be?
> >
> > "We're experiencing technical difficulties that may prevent your chats
> > from being sent."
> >
> > I've been getting it for a day and a half or so. Just wanted to see if
> > it was me or not.
> >
> > --
> > Matt Williams
> > "It's the question that drives us."
> >
> >
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Re: passing arguments into a instantiated java object

[Dan Plesse]

Does this work for you?




09/06 00:09:44 Error [web-17] - The selected method getClass was not
found.Either there are no methods with the specified method name and
argument types, or the method getClass is overloaded with arguments types
that ColdFusion can't decipher reliably. If this is a Java object and you
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to reduce ambiguity. The specific sequence of files included or processed
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RE: Replying after the message

[Mark Henderson]

Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote:
> I know Thunderbird etc does this out of the box, and it 
> probably does make sense the way we read etc, but does anyone 
> else find a reply after a message damn annoying?!

Then Dave Watts responded
> No, it's just you.

I totally agree with Dave but that is just my opinion of course. In
fact, if you happen to be on either the WDD design or css-discuss lists
(and those struggling to learn css really should join) you'll get
politely scolded for top posting (and sometimes NOT so politely!).
Trimming of course certainly does help, and often leaving the entire
contents of the previous email intact, whether you bottom or top post,
makes readability difficult. 

Truly though, there really is no right or wrong answer on this one, it's
more a matter of preference. Microsoft's default has definitely made top
posting the *norm* however.

Here is an argument *for* top posting, though as already stated I'm
certainly not an advocate:
http://www.hawkwings.net/2005/10/03/shooting-yourself-in-the-foot-or-hea
d-one-round-in-the-bottom-vs-top-posting-war/

Mark


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RE: CF Updater 2 problems...

[Kevin Aebig]

The reason is because to the best of my knowledge, there was never a file
called from the clientside. 

The Eolas problem only affects IE and because of that, the file that's
included from CFIDE only gets called in IE.

!k

-Original Message-
From: Mark Leder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 7:15 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF Updater 2 problems...

So why will cfchart work without the per site cfide mapping when viewed in
FF, but not in IE, and, why did this break going from 7.01 to 7.02? 


Thanks,
Mark

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Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 9:00 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF Updater 2 problems...

> > this has always been the case
> 
> Show me documentation ... 

I don't know from documentation, but Snake is right - you've always needed a
/CFIDE URL mapping for certain features of the product to work, starting
with CFFORM's JavaScript back in the CF 2-3 timeframe (I forget which).

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Re: OT: can you resolve this domain?

[Arden Weiss]

>Hey all,
>
>We are having some dns issues where some ISP's can resolve our domain and 
>some can't.  Something about nameserver records pointing to multiple 
>servers.  It would be super duper if some folks could try to hit our domain, 
>and then just reply to the list "yes" or "no" and what isp you are on, or if 
>you use a different dns server than your isp's, whose dns server you're 
>using.  For example "yes - comcast" or "no - cox".  So far ones that can't 
>resolve are Speakeasy and Verizon, while it seems others can.  The domain 
>is:
>
>http://www.igigi.com
>
>TIA!
>

No for Verizon from here in the back waters of Chesapeake Bay  :-)

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Re: 3 Authorize.Net Questions

[Arden Weiss]

One added point -- on voids and credit transactions the previous transaciton ID 
is sent to the gateway via variable x_ref_trans_id...



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Re: CFForm Integer Validation Allowing Commas

[Justin Holzer]

How is "1,235" considered an integer? I know that ColdFusion is a lossely typed 
language, but what CF programmer is writing code like  ?

Not only is it wrong to validate numeric input with commas, it's 
counter-intuitive, illogical, and just plain insecure. If the programmer wishes 
the user to be able to enter commas, that's fine, but it should certainly not 
be the default behavior, especially when the validation did not work that way 
prior to MX 7. I don't understand why the person/people who developed these 
most recent validation functions did not think programmers would not want the 
numeric data to be something that could be stuck straight into a SQL query as a 
numeric data type. Commas should be an exception, not the rule. Add a new 
validation function called "numberWithCommas" or something like that, but why 
break something that works just fine?

What's even worse, is the number validation functions will allow an arbitrary 
number of commas at arbitrary positions. So the user can enter 
"1,,2,,,35" and it will validate just fine. This is because whoever 
wrote the validation JavaScript (located in cfform.js) decided it would be a 
wise idea to strip the commas, and other special characters, from the input 
string before validating it. However, these characters are not stripped from 
the user's actual input, so the JavaScript is validating something different 
that was actually typed. I don't see how you can call this anything but a bug.

I've been a huge fan and supporter of ColdFusion since I started using it in 
version 5. However, this recent discovery has caused me to lose a lot of faith, 
because data validation that is something that I fell can not be overlooked in 
the slightest, as it apparently has been in MX 7. I for one, will be using 
custom regular expressions, until Adobe either issues a fix for the validation 
functions, or the new version of CF is released, and I would suggest that 
everyone else do the same, as that current numeric validation functions pose a 
serious security risk and allow users to easily crash your application if you 
do not know what to expect.

As a footnote, I've also had issues with the validate="telephone" function as 
well. I would suggest for anyone that extensively uses the validation feature 
in  elements, to write their own custom regular expressions for as many 
of the validation types as possible. Of course, you could also make changes to 
the cfform.js script, but that probablly isn't the wisest idea for a long-term 
solution.

Regards,

Justin Holzer

>I was gonna say, I thought an Int was just a whole number, meaning no
>fractions or decimals correct?
>
>Commas should be allowed past that shouldn't they?
>
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Re: CF Built in web server mime types

[Jim Wright]

Jim Wright wrote:
> Where are mime types defined in the built-in 
> web server?

Never mind...found it
C:\CFusionMX7\runtime\lib\mime.types


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Re: 3 Authorize.Net Questions

[Arden Weiss]

>http://www.authorize.net/support/AIM_guide.pdf
>
>Everything you need to know about integration is contained in there.
>

Well, not quite everything -- some added thoughts for your consideration.

There also is a "card-present" pdf file on their site if you are needing to
do a point-of-sale app where you can have the customer swipe his card.

In a card not present situation or where you have to mannually enter the card 
info
in a card-present system, the ZIP and ADDRESS field names expected by the 
gateway are X_ZIP and X_ADDRESS respectively. Example code that works well 
follows:

https://secure.authorize.net/gateway/transact.dll"; >
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  


Also note that doing a refund or credit against a same-day sale (one that has 
not gone to settlement requires a "void" operation and then a "auth_capture" to 
charge the new amount.  With next day refunds/credits (done after settlement) 
you can do a credit without having to do a void. With a void or credit, you 
only need to have the TRAN_ID code returned by the gateway along with the last 
four digits of the credit card number (so no need to do a card reswipe for 
refunds partial or total). 

Finally, both debit and credit cards are handled the same by the gateway.


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Re: passing arguments into a instantiated java object

[Mark Mandel]

What about this?

http://www.cflib.org/udf.cfm?ID=1076

Pretty much the same, no?

Mark

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> I just made two examples.
>
> See what java got under the hood
>
> http://www.cfide.org/objectViewer.cfm
>
> Just put your url in and just the name of the class
>
> http://www.cfide.org/RemoteObjectViewer.cfm
>
> Just hitting submit is fine too!
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Re: Coldfusion serial number lost

[Rick Root]

Massimo Gianadda wrote:
> Sorry for the OT, but I'm really frustrated,
> I have purchased Coldfusion from an Italian reseller, unfortunately CD with 
> serials has been kept away by a courier who retired
> a server and are lost.

If you REGISTERED the product with Adobe, hey *MIGHT* be able to help... 
if not though, you're probably SOL.

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Fusion Reactor issues

[Rick Root]

I'm running CFMX 7.02 (standalone) and the latest version of Fusion Reactor.

Sometimes, someone will do something on my server, because of poorly 
written code by yours truly, that will suck up huge amounts of memory 
and fusion reactor will start killing requests.

However, sometimes, during this time, I can't even get into Fusion 
Reactor - or if I can, it's only because it's lost it's connection to my 
(one) instance and that doesn't do me much good.

I couldn't figure out how to "reconnect" fusion reactor to my coldfusion 
instance... seems like restarting coldfusion is a bit overkill since 
eventually it returned to normal function.

Also, it seems to me that not being able to access Fusion Reactor when 
Codlfusion is experiencing an overload situation.. well, that makes 
Fusion Reactor a lot less valuable, because I can't go in and see what 
requests are being processed, and kill them if necessary.

Comments?

Rick

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CF Built in web server mime types

[Jim Wright]

I'm running into a problem with the MX 7 Developer edition that I run 
locally and I'm fairly sure it is a mime type issue (IE is not 
recognizing a htc file).  Where are mime types defined in the built-in 
web server?

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Re: passing arguments into a instantiated java object

[Kris Jones]

> Yes would mean No, go figure ... women.
> I have no idea why someone would say cfinvoke is the answer. When the answer
> screams decompiler.

Mostly because I just don't have your MadSkillz, man.

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Re: OT: Replying after the message

[Mary Jo Sminkey]

>I know Thunderbird etc does this out of the box, and it probably does make
>sense the way we read etc, but does anyone else find a reply after a message
>damn annoying?!

No. ;-) 

Personally, I think it *does* make more sense the way we read, to first read 
the text that the email is replying to. I find it more annoying the way Outlook 
just pastes the whole original message at the bottom, and I have to scroll down 
and read through it to figure out what the person was replying to (since it 
seems most people these days have lost the ability to TRIM the original 
message!) 

Mary Jo

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Re: OT: can you resolve this domain?

[Claude Schneegans]

No, @ videotron.ca serving mostly the province of Quebec.

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RE: Exception reporting

[Dawson, Michael]

Use CFSaveContent to capture the CFDump in a variable.

Then, use #htmlEditFormat()# to escape all of the content when storing it in 
the DB.

Oh, I strongly, STRONGLY, suggest looking at CFQueryParam.

M!ke 

-Original Message-
From: Charles Sheehan-Miles [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 8:16 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Exception reporting

Hello all,

Up until recently, I¹ve been using a setup to email me any exception reports, 
with cfdumps of all of the interesting scopes.  It¹s helpful, but as I rework 
my app I¹ve building in a bug tracking function. Right now, when the onError 
method in application.cfc is called, it:

1. checks to see if the same page has generated an error and has an open ticket 
2. if not, creates a new ticket 3. if a ticket exists, it appends the current 
error to the ticket.

What I¹d like to do is take all the good stuff cfdump provides and include it 
in the bug report.  That way I can pull up all the open exceptions and read the 
error at my leisure, and NOT email it out.  I can¹t seem to figure out a way to 
do this.  I tried something like this:


Insert into tblTroubleTickets (orgid, description, blah blah,,.) values 
(#orgid#, Œ¹, blah blah) 

Unfortunately, it seems that putting the cfdump inside the sql query creates 
some horrible problems, and the record never gets created.  Has anyone tried 
this?  Is there a way to easily do it that I¹m just missing?

Thanks,

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Coldfusion serial number lost

[Massimo Gianadda]

Sorry for the OT, but I'm really frustrated,
I have purchased Coldfusion from an Italian reseller, unfortunately CD with 
serials has been kept away by a courier who retired
a server and are lost.
I have talked with Italian support with no luck, I have of course produced 
the invoice (as required) but none seems to know how to help me.
Now one month is past and I am still waiting for a solution.
I hope this problem depends only by the incompetence of the italian support 
staff and someone can help me.
Max

ps. obviously I'm not looking for "workarounds" to the problem...
 


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Exception reporting

[Charles Sheehan-Miles]

Hello all,

Up until recently, I¹ve been using a setup to email me any exception
reports, with cfdumps of all of the interesting scopes.  It¹s helpful, but
as I rework my app I¹ve building in a bug tracking function. Right now, when
the onError method in application.cfc is called, it:

1. checks to see if the same page has generated an error and has an open
ticket 
2. if not, creates a new ticket
3. if a ticket exists, it appends the current error to the ticket.

What I¹d like to do is take all the good stuff cfdump provides and include
it in the bug report.  That way I can pull up all the open exceptions and
read the error at my leisure, and NOT email it out.  I can¹t seem to figure
out a way to do this.  I tried something like this:


Insert into tblTroubleTickets (orgid, description, blah blah,,.) values
(#orgid#, Œ¹, blah blah)


Unfortunately, it seems that putting the cfdump inside the sql query creates
some horrible problems, and the record never gets created.  Has anyone tried
this?  Is there a way to easily do it that I¹m just missing?

Thanks,

Charles



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RE: CF Updater 2 problems...

[Mark Leder]

So why will cfchart work without the per site cfide mapping when viewed in
FF, but not in IE, and, why did this break going from 7.01 to 7.02? 


Thanks,
Mark

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 9:00 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF Updater 2 problems...

> > this has always been the case
> 
> Show me documentation ... 

I don't know from documentation, but Snake is right - you've always needed a
/CFIDE URL mapping for certain features of the product to work, starting
with CFFORM's JavaScript back in the CF 2-3 timeframe (I forget which).

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Re: Replying after the message

[Larry Lyons]

>Josh Nathanson wrote:
>> So, on the average, it would seem putting the reply at the top would save 
>> the most 
>scrolling time.
>
>Of course, there won't be much scrolling if the person replying has 
>properly trimmed the previous message to highlight the particular 
>question or subject that they are responding to.

It would be even better if the person also didn't use HTML messages. On the web 
archive, when you only get the digest version or in my email client (I have 
html turned off) html mail frankly sucks. 

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Re: passing arguments into a instantiated java object

[Dan Plesse]

I just made two examples.

See what java got under the hood

http://www.cfide.org/objectViewer.cfm

Just put your url in and just the name of the class

http://www.cfide.org/RemoteObjectViewer.cfm

Just hitting submit is fine too!


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RE: CF Updater 2 problems...

[Dave Watts]

> > this has always been the case
> 
> Show me documentation ... 

I don't know from documentation, but Snake is right - you've always needed a
/CFIDE URL mapping for certain features of the product to work, starting
with CFFORM's JavaScript back in the CF 2-3 timeframe (I forget which).

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RE: CF Updater 2 problems...

[Mark Leder]

>> this has always been the case

Show me documentation... 


Thanks,
Mark

-Original Message-
From: Kevin Aebig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 11:01 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF Updater 2 problems...

O trust me, I know. =]

I always assumed that IIS had global mappings like Apache, but I guess I was
wrong... now I'm trying to hack together something with mod_rewrite which is
looking less than promising...

!k

-Original Message-
From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 6:46 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF Updater 2 problems...

There are several things in CFMX that require the CFIDE virtual directory
and the JRUNSCRIPTS virtual directory on every site, and this has always
been the case. Our control panel creates these by default for every site.

CFCHART
Flash Remoting
CFFORM

-
Snake

-Original Message-
From: Mark Leder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 September 2006 19:33
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF Updater 2 problems...

Kevin,

I'm having the same problem here with CFChart and have opened a tech support
issue with Adobe this past Monday.  The only STOPGAP fix Adobe has provided
has been to set a CFIDE virtual directory FOR EVERY SITE in IIS 6, pointing
to your CFIDE directory  (previously I had the CFIDE only in the "default
web site" of IIS6).  As you can imagine, this is not a long term acceptable
solution.  I also received an email from another CF'er with the same
problem.  This is definitely a bug in CFMX 7.0.2 updater.  I'm now talking
to Server System support at Adobe - the incident has been escalated.

Thanks,
Mark

-Original Message-
From: Kevin Aebig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 1:48 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CF Updater 2 problems...

Hey all,

 

Just so you know, I never patch a machine or software the day the update is
released. Mainly because there could be un-foreseen issues, but also so that
any kinks that are still around get taken care of as well (revisions).

 

That being said, I waited until now to patch our CF servers to 7.0.2
thinking that I had done enough homework. I double checked the knowledge
base as well as the known issues and didn't find any reference that could
affect us. Little did I know that after installing this update, it would
kill CFChart? I originally was using my own EOLAS fix that was functioning
properly and figured that the 2 combined were blowing up. Once I removed my
version, the problem still persisted. 

 

I jumped on the newsgroups and found some references to other people having
the same issue. I've double checked the update by hand and everything went
as it should. The JS file is where it should be. The CFIDE mapping is
correct in the admin. which begs the question, why is this happening and how
do I fix it? Has anyone had this issue with their upgrade? Any idea's?

 

Sincerely,

 

!k












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RE: can you resolve this domain?

[Jenny Gavin-Wear]

No - Onetel

And this is your DNS traversal .. 
http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/traversal.ch?domain=www.igigi.com&type=A

Jenny


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Sent: 05 September 2006 22:43
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: can you resolve this domain?


Hey all,

We are having some dns issues where some ISP's can resolve our domain and 
some can't.  Something about nameserver records pointing to multiple 
servers.  It would be super duper if some folks could try to hit our domain, 
and then just reply to the list "yes" or "no" and what isp you are on, or if 
you use a different dns server than your isp's, whose dns server you're 
using.  For example "yes - comcast" or "no - cox".  So far ones that can't 
resolve are Speakeasy and Verizon, while it seems others can.  The domain 
is:

http://www.igigi.com

TIA!

-- Josh





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Re: Replying after the message

[Jim Wright]

Josh Nathanson wrote:
> So, on the average, it would seem putting the reply at the top would save the 
> most 
scrolling time.

Of course, there won't be much scrolling if the person replying has 
properly trimmed the previous message to highlight the particular 
question or subject that they are responding to.

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Re: Replying after the message

[Josh Nathanson]

Like you, I personally prefer the reply at the top, so I don't have to 
scroll down unless I need to review the OP.  Usually the subject line is 
enough to tell me what I'm reading about, so most of the time I don't need 
to review the OP, but I do always want to read the reply.  So, on the 
average, it would seem putting the reply at the top would save the most 
scrolling time.

-- Josh



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>I know Thunderbird etc does this out of the box, and it probably does make
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RE: Good Documentation on Setting up Multiple Instances of CF7 ru nning on IIS

[Dave Watts]

> I had the pleasure of sitting in your session at Cfun this 
> year and as always you did a suburb job of speaking and 
> getting your topic across. I have always found the Speakers 
> from your company to be some of the best in the industry. 

Well, thank you very much! There were plenty of great speakers this year,
but who am I to reject a compliment?

> Question for you, do you guys offer a advanced training class 
> on CF Admin?

No, not currently. We do, however, provide mentoring and onsite consulting;
quite a bit of it covers this sort of thing.

> And thanks for the info below, this is very helpful...

You're welcome!

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RE: Good Documentation on Setting up Multiple Instances of CF7 ru nning on IIS

[Dave Hatz]

Dave,
I had the pleasure of sitting in your session at Cfun this year and as
always you did a suburb job of speaking and getting your topic across.  I
have always found the Speakers from your company to be some of the best in
the industry. Question for you, do you guys offer a advanced training class
on CF Admin?

And thanks for the info below, this is very helpful...

Dave Hatz 

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Subject: RE: Good Documentation on Setting up Multiple Instances of CF7 ru
nning on IIS

> We have 1 IIS server with each client having their own virtual server, 
> www.client1.com and www.client2.com.

Then the easiest thing to do is probably this:

1. Install CF Enterprise using Multiserver option.
2. During the install, don't connect CF to any external web server.
3. After the install, go into CF Administrator and select "Instance
Manager".
4. Create two new instances. Give each a unique name.
5. Use the web server configuration utility to connect each of the new
instances to its corresponding IIS virtual server.
6. Turn off the original CF instance's service until you need to create more
instances.

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RE: Replying after the message

[Dave Watts]

> I know Thunderbird etc does this out of the box, and it 
> probably does make sense the way we read etc, but does anyone 
> else find a reply after a message damn annoying?!

No, it's just you.

Here are some relevant links.

The RFC in question (yes, there is one!):
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855 - go to page 7

Posting styles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting

What Top-Posting Is (my favorite description):
http://blinkynet.net/comp/toppost.html

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Re: OT: Replying after the message

[Casey Dougall]

I'm still trying to figure out why gmail puts my signiture at the
bottom of the reply even though I'll br posting above it...

On 9/5/06, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I know Thunderbird etc does this out of the box, and it probably does make
> sense the way we read etc, but does anyone else find a reply after a message
> damn annoying?!
>
> No fingers at anyone just a gripe.

Casey Dougall
Web Applications Developer
Ph: 518 743-9424  Fax: 743-0337
Mannix Marketing Inc. 33 Park St. Third Floor, Glens Falls, New York 12801
~~
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RE: Good Documentation on Setting up Multiple Instances of CF7 ru nning on IIS

[Dave Watts]

> We have 1 IIS server with each client having their own 
> virtual server, www.client1.com and www.client2.com.

Then the easiest thing to do is probably this:

1. Install CF Enterprise using Multiserver option.
2. During the install, don't connect CF to any external web server.
3. After the install, go into CF Administrator and select "Instance
Manager".
4. Create two new instances. Give each a unique name.
5. Use the web server configuration utility to connect each of the new
instances to its corresponding IIS virtual server.
6. Turn off the original CF instance's service until you need to create more
instances.

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RE: Good Documentation on Setting up Multiple Instances of CF7 ru nning on IIS

[Dave Hatz]

We have 1 IIS server with each client having their own virtual server,
www.client1.com and www.client2.com. 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 3:50 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Good Documentation on Setting up Multiple Instances of CF7 ru
nning on IIS

> What I want to do is set up different CF instances for each of our 
> bigger clients.  I was looking to separate out the CF instances so 
> that they each will have their own memory allocation and resources, so 
> as one of the instances begins to slow down, it doesn't take the other 
> CF instances with it.
> 
> And the CF instances will belong to 1 IIS Host.

You had me right up until the last sentence. Do you mean you will have one
IIS server, or one IIS virtual host? If you have separate clients, doesn't
each have its own IIS virtual server? (www.client1.com, www.client2.com,
etc, mapped to individual virtual hosts)

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OT: Replying after the message

[Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)]

I know Thunderbird etc does this out of the box, and it probably does make
sense the way we read etc, but does anyone else find a reply after a message
damn annoying?!

No fingers at anyone just a gripe.






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RE: Good Documentation on Setting up Multiple Instances of CF7 ru nning on IIS

[Dave Watts]

> What I want to do is set up different CF instances for each 
> of our bigger clients.  I was looking to separate out the CF 
> instances so that they each will have their own memory 
> allocation and resources, so as one of the instances begins 
> to slow down, it doesn't take the other CF instances with it.
> 
> And the CF instances will belong to 1 IIS Host.

You had me right up until the last sentence. Do you mean you will have one
IIS server, or one IIS virtual host? If you have separate clients, doesn't
each have its own IIS virtual server? (www.client1.com, www.client2.com,
etc, mapped to individual virtual hosts)

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RE: Good Documentation on Setting up Multiple Instances of CF7 ru nning on IIS

[Dave Hatz]

Dave,
What I want to do is set up different CF instances for each of our bigger
clients.  I was looking to separate out the CF instances so that they each
will have their own memory allocation and resources, so as one of the
instances begins to slow down, it doesn't take the other CF instances with
it.

And the CF instances will belong to 1 IIS Host.

Thanks,
Dave Hatz 

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 3:36 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Good Documentation on Setting up Multiple Instances of CF7 ru
nning on IIS

> I am looking for more resources on setting up multiple instances of 
> CF7 on IIS6.  I have read through the docs at Adobe, but I was looking 
> for more resources.  I have set up CF Server many times before, but 
> always as a single stand alone instance.
> 
> I am looking for a good step by step document that I can pass along to 
> my developers.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

You're not really going to find an exact step-by-step checklist, because
there are quite a few different ways you might go about this. Are you trying
to separate applications belonging to different IIS virtual hosts? To the
same virtual host? Or are you trying to cluster instances associated with
one or more IIS virtual hosts?

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RE: Good Documentation on Setting up Multiple Instances of CF7 ru nning on IIS

[Dave Watts]

> I am looking for more resources on setting up multiple 
> instances of CF7 on IIS6.  I have read through the docs at 
> Adobe, but I was looking for more resources.  I have set up 
> CF Server many times before, but always as a single stand 
> alone instance.  
> 
> I am looking for a good step by step document that I can pass 
> along to my developers.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

You're not really going to find an exact step-by-step checklist, because
there are quite a few different ways you might go about this. Are you trying
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same virtual host? Or are you trying to cluster instances associated with
one or more IIS virtual hosts?

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Re: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more

[Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)]

Indeed, it is simply awful.






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To: CF-Talk
Sent: Tue Sep 05 22:33:41 2006
Subject: RE: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more

Lets hope no-one outside your original team ever has to work on this
application.

Snake 

-Original Message-
From: Tom Kitta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 05 September 2006 21:17
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more

The SQL server stored procedure returns: single row which is not HTML - CF
builds HTML based on that single row result set.
The data contained in SQL resultset has things like: 'User Name_txt50' -
means display a field with caption 'User Name' that is a text field with 50
chars length. It can also return values that are interpreted as calls to
additional stored procedures to be made by CF (i.e. SQL tells CF how to
populate a dropdown by telling it: call this stored procedure to get your
data). Another example, hidden form field such as userID would be passed
with column name 'userID_hidden' and say a value of 23456.

Form validation is done in SQL (except JS which can be given to CF from DB
via initial "single data row") - CF just passes form scope to SQL server and
SQL server either is OK with it or throws an error. Business rules are also
in SQL - SQL server determines for example whatever to renew user
subscription  or not.

TK



- Original Message -
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To: "CF-Talk" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 4:10 PM
Subject: RE: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more


>> I am wondering whatever anyone seen/ has opinion about the
>> following system ...
>
> Does "yecch" count as an opinion?
>
> Seriously, though, what exactly is being returned by SQL Server? XML
> documents? Recordsets? Strings containing HTML?
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
>
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Re: OT: can you resolve this domain?

[Les Mizzell]

>>> http://www.igigi.com

Yes - bellsouth.net


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Good Documentation on Setting up Multiple Instances of CF7 running on IIS

[Dave Hatz]

I am looking for more resources on setting up multiple instances of CF7 on 
IIS6.  I have read through the docs at Adobe, but I was looking for more 
resources.  I have set up CF Server many times before, but always as a single 
stand alone instance.  

I am looking for a good step by step document that I can pass along to my 
developers.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Dave Hatz

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Re: CFEclipse - FTP???

[Rey Bango]

Its definitely a big fileset situation. Ugh. :o(

I appreciate the help.

Rey

Jim Wright wrote:
> Jim Wright wrote:
> 
>>This should only copy changed 
>>files (although I haven't tested that much with the FTP...the local copy 
>>definitely  only copies over changed files, but when I'm doing the FTP, 
>>I've generally made a lot of changes, so I'm not positive.)
>>
> 
> 
> Rey,
> As I was throwing out something untested here, I thought I better do a 
> little testing, and this may not work for you.  The FTP process depends 
> on file times to decide what to send, so if your fileset has a lot of 
> files, comparing the times will take a while (I just made a mod to a 
> single file...Ant only sent up the one file, but it took 7 minutes to do 
> it...the fileset is around 600 files...it might still work if you have a 
> small fileset).  I assume the local process does the same thing, but it 
> is almost instantaneous with the same fileset.
> -jim
> 
> 

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re: OT: can you resolve this domain?

[Jeff Garza]

No (Qwest Comms, Tempe Arizona)

 Original Message 
> From: "Josh Nathanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:44 PM
> To: CF-Talk 
> Subject: OT: can you resolve this domain?
> 
> Hey all,
> 
> We are having some dns issues where some ISP's can resolve our domain and 
> some can't.  Something about nameserver records pointing to multiple 
> servers.  It would be super duper if some folks could try to hit our domain, 
> and then just reply to the list "yes" or "no" and what isp you are on, or if 
> you use a different dns server than your isp's, whose dns server you're 
> using.  For example "yes - comcast" or "no - cox".  So far ones that can't 
> resolve are Speakeasy and Verizon, while it seems others can.  The domain 
> is:
> 
> http://www.igigi.com
> 
> TIA!
> 
> -- Josh
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: CFEclipse - FTP???

[Jim Wright]

Jim Wright wrote:
> This should only copy changed 
> files (although I haven't tested that much with the FTP...the local copy 
> definitely  only copies over changed files, but when I'm doing the FTP, 
> I've generally made a lot of changes, so I'm not positive.)
> 

Rey,
As I was throwing out something untested here, I thought I better do a 
little testing, and this may not work for you.  The FTP process depends 
on file times to decide what to send, so if your fileset has a lot of 
files, comparing the times will take a while (I just made a mod to a 
single file...Ant only sent up the one file, but it took 7 minutes to do 
it...the fileset is around 600 files...it might still work if you have a 
small fileset).  I assume the local process does the same thing, but it 
is almost instantaneous with the same fileset.
-jim

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RE: OT: can you resolve this domain?

[Crow T Robot]

No - Bayring (worldPath)

> -Original Message-
> From: Jim Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 5:54 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: OT: can you resolve this domain?
> 
> no - nc.rr.com
> 
> Josh Nathanson wrote:
> > Hey all,
> >
> > We are having some dns issues where some ISP's can resolve our domain
and
> > some can't.  Something about nameserver records pointing to multiple
> > servers.  It would be super duper if some folks could try to hit our
domain,
> > and then just reply to the list "yes" or "no" and what isp you are on,
or if
> > you use a different dns server than your isp's, whose dns server you're
> > using.  For example "yes - comcast" or "no - cox".  So far ones that
can't
> > resolve are Speakeasy and Verizon, while it seems others can.  The
domain
> > is:
> >
> > http://www.igigi.com
> >
> 
> 

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RE: can you resolve this domain?

[Kevin Aebig]

No - Sasktel / BigPipe (Canuck ISP)

!k

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Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 3:52 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: can you resolve this domain?

No - Uniserve.com (Canadian ISPcovers whole country) Victoria, BC Canada

Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
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Re: can you resolve this domain?

[Josh Nathanson]

Egads.  So far, so not good.  Thanks for the responses.

-- Josh


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Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: can you resolve this domain?


> No - Uniserve.com (Canadian ISPcovers whole country) Victoria, BC 
> Canada
>
> Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
> VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
> Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
> phone: 250.480.0642
> fax: 250.480.1264
> cell: 250.920.8830
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> web: www.electricedgesystems.com
>
> 

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Re: can you resolve this domain?

[Doug Brown]

yes

Bresnan communications


- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Nathanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 3:42 PM
Subject: OT: can you resolve this domain?


> Hey all,
>
> We are having some dns issues where some ISP's can resolve our domain and
> some can't.  Something about nameserver records pointing to multiple
> servers.  It would be super duper if some folks could try to hit our
domain,
> and then just reply to the list "yes" or "no" and what isp you are on, or
if
> you use a different dns server than your isp's, whose dns server you're
> using.  For example "yes - comcast" or "no - cox".  So far ones that can't
> resolve are Speakeasy and Verizon, while it seems others can.  The domain
> is:
>
> http://www.igigi.com
>
> TIA!
>
> -- Josh
>
>
>
> 

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Re: OT: can you resolve this domain?

[Jim Wright]

no - nc.rr.com

Josh Nathanson wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
> We are having some dns issues where some ISP's can resolve our domain and 
> some can't.  Something about nameserver records pointing to multiple 
> servers.  It would be super duper if some folks could try to hit our domain, 
> and then just reply to the list "yes" or "no" and what isp you are on, or if 
> you use a different dns server than your isp's, whose dns server you're 
> using.  For example "yes - comcast" or "no - cox".  So far ones that can't 
> resolve are Speakeasy and Verizon, while it seems others can.  The domain 
> is:
> 
> http://www.igigi.com
> 

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Re: can you resolve this domain?

[Bryan Stevenson]

No - Uniserve.com (Canadian ISPcovers whole country) Victoria, BC Canada

Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
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Re: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more

[Tom Kitta]

Here the presentation and data are mixed with business logic in the stored 
procedures not COM objects, think of each stored procedure as CF5 page. 
Logic mixed with data and with some small presentation logic customizations 
(there is rather little HTML in the stored procedures, so its not as bad as 
you are describing).

Probably the most innovative idea (through maybe not that great) is the 
almost total omission of HTML formatting in the code that is modified and 
written - there are very very few 'hr' or 'a' tags. Almost all page 
formatting is done automatically without programmer having to think of it.

Above idea is similar to using Latex script to produce scientific 
documents - you let the typesetting engine do all professional work of 
setting you text. This method may work wonders for text in math books but I 
am little bit skeptical of html.

Another way to view it: SQL sends actual programming code in language we 
call "blah" to CF which then works as an interpreter of that language and 
produces a form.

TK
- Original Message - 
From: "Dawson, Michael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 5:40 PM
Subject: RE: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more


> This reminds me of a project, several years ago, where we webified some
> SAP information.  The VB programmer "needed" to put the HTML in the
> ..DLLs and it was a total pain in the ass to make any changes.  They also
> insisted that ASP pages were the only method of consuming the COM
> objects.  This is how the project was "sold" to IT mgt at the time.
>
> I suggested that they create a much-simpler COM object that returned
> only data and then CF would then consume the object and create the HTML.
> I even created simple COM objects to prove this to them.
>
> However, I lost out to the Indian consultants and eventually lost my
> job.  Boo-hoo.
>
> Now, that I have had time to look back over this issue, I still
> fully-realize how immensely stupid it was for them to mix the model and
> presentation in their COM .DLLs.  However, for the consultants, it was
> pure genius since very few people knew how to make the changes.  When I
> take looks at that company's web site(s), I see how very little they
> have progressed with that sort of mentality.
>
> M!ke
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Blayter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 3:07 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more
>
> IMHO... Use the systems for what they are designed for. Sure SQL server
> can generate HTML but is that the best way to maintain it? The thought
> of having to sort through thousands of stored procs instead of some kind
> of file system to make a presentation change just sounds like my
> personal version of hell.
>
> 

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OT: Editor Layer Based ?

[Daniel Hikel]

Hello,

I am searching for a wysiwyg editor which is based on layers? At the end I
want to save every layer with type, ... in database. 

Did anyone already this?

Thank you very much in advance.


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Re: can you resolve this domain?

[Jake Churchill]

cox = no, but you already said that

Dawson, Michael wrote:
> No worky for me.  I'm in a hotel with a VPN into my university.  The
> university uses SBC to get to the internet. 
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Josh Nathanson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 4:43 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: OT: can you resolve this domain?
>
> Hey all,
>
> We are having some dns issues where some ISP's can resolve our domain
> and some can't.  Something about nameserver records pointing to multiple
> servers.  It would be super duper if some folks could try to hit our
> domain, and then just reply to the list "yes" or "no" and what isp you
> are on, or if you use a different dns server than your isp's, whose dns
> server you're using.  For example "yes - comcast" or "no - cox".  So far
> ones that can't resolve are Speakeasy and Verizon, while it seems others
> can.  The domain
> is:
>
> http://www.igigi.com
>
> TIA!
>
> -- Josh
>
> 

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RE: can you resolve this domain?

[Dawson, Michael]

No worky for me.  I'm in a hotel with a VPN into my university.  The
university uses SBC to get to the internet. 

-Original Message-
From: Josh Nathanson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 4:43 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: can you resolve this domain?

Hey all,

We are having some dns issues where some ISP's can resolve our domain
and some can't.  Something about nameserver records pointing to multiple
servers.  It would be super duper if some folks could try to hit our
domain, and then just reply to the list "yes" or "no" and what isp you
are on, or if you use a different dns server than your isp's, whose dns
server you're using.  For example "yes - comcast" or "no - cox".  So far
ones that can't resolve are Speakeasy and Verizon, while it seems others
can.  The domain
is:

http://www.igigi.com

TIA!

-- Josh

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Re: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more

[Tom Kitta]

The problem is the application was originally developed like 5 years ago and 
then upgraded along - I only came along few days ago - thus I am definitely 
not part of the "original team".

If you thought the app you are working on is tough to debug, think of me - 
we can always change places :)

TK

- Original Message - 
From: "Snake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 5:33 PM
Subject: RE: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more


> Lets hope no-one outside your original team ever has to work on this
> application.
>
> Snake
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tom Kitta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 05 September 2006 21:17
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more
>
> The SQL server stored procedure returns: single row which is not HTML - CF
> builds HTML based on that single row result set.
> The data contained in SQL resultset has things like: 'User Name_txt50' -
> means display a field with caption 'User Name' that is a text field with 
> 50
> chars length. It can also return values that are interpreted as calls to
> additional stored procedures to be made by CF (i.e. SQL tells CF how to
> populate a dropdown by telling it: call this stored procedure to get your
> data). Another example, hidden form field such as userID would be passed
> with column name 'userID_hidden' and say a value of 23456.
>
> Form validation is done in SQL (except JS which can be given to CF from DB
> via initial "single data row") - CF just passes form scope to SQL server 
> and
> SQL server either is OK with it or throws an error. Business rules are 
> also
> in SQL - SQL server determines for example whatever to renew user
> subscription  or not.
>
> TK
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dave Watts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 4:10 PM
> Subject: RE: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more
>
>
>>> I am wondering whatever anyone seen/ has opinion about the
>>> following system ...
>>
>> Does "yecch" count as an opinion?
>>
>> Seriously, though, what exactly is being returned by SQL Server? XML
>> documents? Recordsets? Strings containing HTML?
>>
>> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
>> http://www.figleaf.com/
>>
>> Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
>> instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta,
>> Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location.
>> Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information!
>>
>>
>
>
>
> 

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OT: can you resolve this domain?

[Josh Nathanson]

Hey all,

We are having some dns issues where some ISP's can resolve our domain and 
some can't.  Something about nameserver records pointing to multiple 
servers.  It would be super duper if some folks could try to hit our domain, 
and then just reply to the list "yes" or "no" and what isp you are on, or if 
you use a different dns server than your isp's, whose dns server you're 
using.  For example "yes - comcast" or "no - cox".  So far ones that can't 
resolve are Speakeasy and Verizon, while it seems others can.  The domain 
is:

http://www.igigi.com

TIA!

-- Josh



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RE: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more

[Dawson, Michael]

This reminds me of a project, several years ago, where we webified some
SAP information.  The VB programmer "needed" to put the HTML in the
..DLLs and it was a total pain in the ass to make any changes.  They also
insisted that ASP pages were the only method of consuming the COM
objects.  This is how the project was "sold" to IT mgt at the time.

I suggested that they create a much-simpler COM object that returned
only data and then CF would then consume the object and create the HTML.
I even created simple COM objects to prove this to them.

However, I lost out to the Indian consultants and eventually lost my
job.  Boo-hoo.

Now, that I have had time to look back over this issue, I still
fully-realize how immensely stupid it was for them to mix the model and
presentation in their COM .DLLs.  However, for the consultants, it was
pure genius since very few people knew how to make the changes.  When I
take looks at that company's web site(s), I see how very little they
have progressed with that sort of mentality.

M!ke

-Original Message-
From: John Blayter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 3:07 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more

IMHO... Use the systems for what they are designed for. Sure SQL server
can generate HTML but is that the best way to maintain it? The thought
of having to sort through thousands of stored procs instead of some kind
of file system to make a presentation change just sounds like my
personal version of hell.

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RE: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more

[Snake]

Lets hope no-one outside your original team ever has to work on this
application.

Snake 

-Original Message-
From: Tom Kitta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 05 September 2006 21:17
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more

The SQL server stored procedure returns: single row which is not HTML - CF
builds HTML based on that single row result set.
The data contained in SQL resultset has things like: 'User Name_txt50' -
means display a field with caption 'User Name' that is a text field with 50
chars length. It can also return values that are interpreted as calls to
additional stored procedures to be made by CF (i.e. SQL tells CF how to
populate a dropdown by telling it: call this stored procedure to get your
data). Another example, hidden form field such as userID would be passed
with column name 'userID_hidden' and say a value of 23456.

Form validation is done in SQL (except JS which can be given to CF from DB
via initial "single data row") - CF just passes form scope to SQL server and
SQL server either is OK with it or throws an error. Business rules are also
in SQL - SQL server determines for example whatever to renew user
subscription  or not.

TK



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From: "Dave Watts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 4:10 PM
Subject: RE: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more


>> I am wondering whatever anyone seen/ has opinion about the
>> following system ...
>
> Does "yecch" count as an opinion?
>
> Seriously, though, what exactly is being returned by SQL Server? XML
> documents? Recordsets? Strings containing HTML?
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
>
> Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
> instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta,
> Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location.
> Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information!
>
> 



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Re: I am soooo pissed

[Jim McAtee]

..com's are s 1999


- Original Message - 
From: "Doug Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: I am s pissed


> You know what is weird...The site is already online!! I thought it took
> awhile, especially at networksolutions.
>
>
> Go Figure
>
> Doug
>
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Andy Matthews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:38 PM
> Subject: RE: I am s pissed
>
>
>> Just wait. The person bidding might default.
>>
>> > andy matthews
>> web developer
>> certified advanced coldfusion programmer
>> ICGLink, Inc.
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> 615.370.1530 x737
>> --//->
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:25 PM
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: Re: I am s pissed
>>
>>
>> No, it was just a regular type name I suppose. gobuddy.com the auction 
>> is
>> now at 3,800.00
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Snake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "CF-Talk" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:22 PM
>> Subject: RE: I am s pissed
>>
>>
>> > Was it something CF related, as I have tons of CF related domains
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > Sent: 05 September 2006 20:13
>> > To: CF-Talk
>> > Subject: OT: I am s pissed
>> >
>> > I hate all these auctions for domain names. I was after a domain that
>> > expired and was being auctioned at snapnames, I had a limit at what I
>> would
>> > pay and it was 1,000.00 and the damn thing is already up to 2,600.00 
>> > Oh
>> > well, I guess the search continues for something good.


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Re: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more

[Tom Kitta]

Drop down list are handled rather with elegance (nothing complex is meant 
here by elegance) - SQL passes in the column name the caption and in the 
actual field value the name of the stored procedure that is used to populate 
the drop down.

TK
- Original Message - 
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To: "CF-Talk" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more


> Tom Kitta wrote:
>
>> On SQL server there are 1000's of stored procedures which are used to
>> display form, validate, update, delete etc. Essentialy the form building 
>> is
>> done on SQL server without even looking at any CF code. CF is a black box
>> which rarely changes while 99% of development is in pure T-SQL (All
>> developers are SQL experts while most don't know what CF is).
>>
>
> Ow.  I think I burst a blood vessel just thinking about trying to do
> anything other than simple data validation in a SP.  What happens if you
> need to check for valid phone number format or valid email format?
> Pattern matching is not one of SQL's strengths.  If you are just
> returning one row of values to use in the form, are you not using drop
> lists anywhere in your forms, or has this language you have created for
> returning the data to CF handle things like that?
>
> 

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RE: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more

[Jeff Garza]

I have to agree... sounds to me like Tom has a lot of SQL DBAs in his 
organization, and they effectively rule the roost.  Lots of folks running 
around with hammers and everything looks like a nail.   

 Original Message 
> From: "Ian Skinner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:47 PM
> To: CF-Talk 
> Subject: RE: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more
> 
> I just don't think you are getting many takers here Tom K.  If this works for 
> you, by all means, full steam ahead.  I just don't think many of us are going 
> to follow along.  Most of us can think of just as easy ways to separate the 
> tiers that would allow a wider group of skill sets to be applied to most 
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Re: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more

[Tom Kitta]

I am not saying I like the SQL server as the driving force with CF as just 
presentation tire - I am just looking over this rather strange solution for 
myself (as well as many other members of this mailing list) and I am trying 
to figure out what are good and what are bad points about using it.

Right now I am not a big fan of SQL based data/ business logic + some 
formatting as I think CF is better at these things. But then again, I see 
that my feelings might be strongly related to the fact that I never saw 
anything like the solution I described + I used CF for many years now for 
stuff that I see SQL Server being used for.

TK

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Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 4:45 PM
Subject: RE: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more


>I just don't think you are getting many takers here Tom K.  If this works 
>for you, by all means, full steam ahead.  I just don't think many of us are 
>going to follow along.  Most of us can think of just as easy ways to 
>separate the tiers that would allow a wider group of skill sets to be 
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Re: CFEclipse - FTP???

[Jim Wright]

Rey Bango wrote:
> Awesome. Thanks for the explanation Jim. I'll definitely take a look at 
> this later.
> 

If you do decide to use this method, you will probably need this 
reference...
http://ant.apache.org/manual/OptionalTasks/ftp.html

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Re: Peg = Margaret name matching code

[Robert Munn]

Why not write a package that does it? You even have a name for it- Peg!

>Does anyone know of code that can match formal names, such as
>"Michael" with their less formal equivalents, such as "Mike." I was
>starting to code this but stopped after realizing that there were
>thousands of these nicknames. I am mainly interested in names, but
>matching addresses abbreviation, such as "Blvd" = "Boulevard" might be
>helpful as well.
>
>
>

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RE: I am soooo pissed

[Coldfusion]

Probably a placeholder or could in fact be a domain squatter 

-Original Message-
From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 4:59 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: I am s pissed

You know what is weird...The site is already online!! I thought it took
awhile, especially at networksolutions.


Go Figure

Doug



- Original Message -
From: "Andy Matthews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:38 PM
Subject: RE: I am s pissed


> Just wait. The person bidding might default.
>
>  andy matthews
> web developer
> certified advanced coldfusion programmer
> ICGLink, Inc.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 615.370.1530 x737
> --//->
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:25 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: I am s pissed
>
>
> No, it was just a regular type name I suppose. gobuddy.com the auction is
> now at 3,800.00
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Snake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:22 PM
> Subject: RE: I am s pissed
>
>
> > Was it something CF related, as I have tons of CF related domains
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 05 September 2006 20:13
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: OT: I am s pissed
> >
> > I hate all these auctions for domain names. I was after a domain that
> > expired and was being auctioned at snapnames, I had a limit at what I
> would
> > pay and it was 1,000.00 and the damn thing is already up to 2,600.00 Oh
> > well, I guess the search continues for something good.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> 



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Re: Peg = Margaret name matching code

[Nathan Strutz]

Well a little screen scraping on Mike's link will get you most of the way
there. From that point it's one join away. That's mostly automated. After
the initial data import, it will be manually tweaking data in a simple crud
app.

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On 9/5/06, Andy Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Because then you have to enter pairs manually. He's looking for something
> that's automated.
>
>  andy matthews
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> certified advanced coldfusion programmer
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: Pete Ruckelshaus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 5:58 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Peg = Margaret name matching code
>
>
> Why not just create two database tables, one with id(int) and
> formalname(varchar), the second with formalnameid(int) and
> nickname(varchar) and populate starting with names from the URL you
> mentioned, then bounce your names against that?
>
> Pete
>
> On 9/3/06, Mike Chabot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Does anyone know of code that can match formal names, such as
> > "Michael" with their less formal equivalents, such as "Mike." I was
> > starting to code this but stopped after realizing that there were
> > thousands of these nicknames. I am mainly interested in names, but
> > matching addresses abbreviation, such as "Blvd" = "Boulevard" might be
> > helpful as well.
> >
> > 
> >
> > Someone recommended Blue Fusion CS (which sounds like an Adobe
> > product, but it isn't), but that software is quite expensive. I would
> > hope there is something free out there which covers the basics.
> >
> > CFMX 7 Ent / Win2003 / IIS6 / MS SQL Server 2005
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Mike Chabot
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more

[Jim Wright]

Tom Kitta wrote:

> On SQL server there are 1000's of stored procedures which are used to 
> display form, validate, update, delete etc. Essentialy the form building is 
> done on SQL server without even looking at any CF code. CF is a black box 
> which rarely changes while 99% of development is in pure T-SQL (All 
> developers are SQL experts while most don't know what CF is).
> 

Ow.  I think I burst a blood vessel just thinking about trying to do 
anything other than simple data validation in a SP.  What happens if you 
need to check for valid phone number format or valid email format? 
Pattern matching is not one of SQL's strengths.  If you are just 
returning one row of values to use in the form, are you not using drop 
lists anywhere in your forms, or has this language you have created for 
returning the data to CF handle things like that?

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Re: I am soooo pissed

[Doug Brown]

You know what is weird...The site is already online!! I thought it took
awhile, especially at networksolutions.


Go Figure

Doug



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> Just wait. The person bidding might default.
>
>  andy matthews
> web developer
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> -Original Message-
> From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:25 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: I am s pissed
>
>
> No, it was just a regular type name I suppose. gobuddy.com the auction is
> now at 3,800.00
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Snake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:22 PM
> Subject: RE: I am s pissed
>
>
> > Was it something CF related, as I have tons of CF related domains
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 05 September 2006 20:13
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: OT: I am s pissed
> >
> > I hate all these auctions for domain names. I was after a domain that
> > expired and was being auctioned at snapnames, I had a limit at what I
> would
> > pay and it was 1,000.00 and the damn thing is already up to 2,600.00 Oh
> > well, I guess the search continues for something good.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> 

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Re: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more

[Tom Kitta]

You are right, you pass every time the name of the user that is accessing 
the stored procedure (your last paragraph).

TK

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> Security is provided by SQL security stored procedures etc.
>
> I'm not sure how this would work.  Surely you don't mean database
> permissions.  Is every user to your web site set up as a user in the
> database.  CF always connects to the database as the same user doesn't
> it?
>
> Maybe you mean that you pass in the user with every db call.  How does
> your interface "know" who is logged in?  To avoid being stateless you
> would have to have some application management, wouldn't you?
>
> ~Brad
>
>
> 

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RE: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more

[Ian Skinner]

I just don't think you are getting many takers here Tom K.  If this works for 
you, by all means, full steam ahead.  I just don't think many of us are going 
to follow along.  Most of us can think of just as easy ways to separate the 
tiers that would allow a wider group of skill sets to be applied to most 
projects.




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Re: passing arguments into a instantiated java object

[D F]

Interesting idea... object viewer. But how would that differ from a straight 
cfdump of the object?


>Even better is a Object Viewer. I asked for this for CF 7 as the standard
>way coldfusion produces dumping output for java objects but it's another no
>go. So now coldfusion users are left with a harder to use coldfusion. Go
>figure!
>
>At least some of stuff hit the CF Docs and some new features where added.

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RE: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more

[Brad Wood]

Security is provided by SQL security stored procedures etc. 

I'm not sure how this would work.  Surely you don't mean database
permissions.  Is every user to your web site set up as a user in the
database.  CF always connects to the database as the same user doesn't
it?  

Maybe you mean that you pass in the user with every db call.  How does
your interface "know" who is logged in?  To avoid being stateless you
would have to have some application management, wouldn't you?

~Brad


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Re: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more

[Tom Kitta]

At this place developers don't know much about CF since they don't need it - 
they write templates in SQL without worrying about CF - they call it "black 
box".

As for application level security, logic flow, and business logic - its all 
SQL - CF doesn't do any of that. CF is just there to process raw SQL data 
and create a nice looking page out of it.

Just think of it as if almost all work you do was moved from CF onto SQL 
server. Instead of including templates you just call different stored 
procedures. A form is an SQL template. Security is provided by SQL security 
stored procedures etc.


- Original Message - 
From: "Robert Munn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more


>I disagree that most developers are SQL experts, but that is a separate 
>discussion.
>
> As to your specific question about using CF as a presentation engine, that 
> is a large part of what CF apps do. However, you need additional code in 
> your application to control logic flow, check application-level security, 
> and perform other business logic. Pushing all of that stuff to SQL makes 
> no sense, and would IMHO be beyond the skills of most developers. How many 
> developers could build a stored proc that modelled the Controller pattern 
> in SQL? Not many.
>
>>I am wondering whatever anyone seen/ has opinion about the following 
>>system:
>>
>>All information that is presented on a HTML form to end user is build with
>>information supplied by SQL Server stored procedure. I mean the data that
>>makes the form + information how form should look like - information
>>whatever a checkbox should be used or a text field + any special HTML
>>formatting.
>>
>>All that CF does is: parse the result of stored procedure call and build
>>HTML form based on data provided by stored proc. The CF components can
>>dynamically build any form based on data from SQL server. CF is used as a
>>page formatting engine - it formats data provided to it into visually
>>pleasant form.
>>
>>On SQL server there are 1000's of stored procedures which are used to
>>display form, validate, update, delete etc. Essentialy the form building 
>>is
>>done on SQL server without even looking at any CF code. CF is a black box
>>which rarely changes while 99% of development is in pure T-SQL (All
>>developers are SQL experts while most don't know what CF is).
>>
>>TK
>
> 

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Re: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more

[Tom Kitta]

Actually its easy, if you want to change the look and feel of the whole 
application you don't touch tables, just change CF presentation server. As 
to changing some basic properties of every form, you just modify SQL as if 
you were modifying CF template (you modify SQL template instead).

TK

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To: "CF-Talk" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 4:21 PM
Subject: RE: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more


> So if you want to change the interface, you need to change the table
> structure? Wow...
>
> And you're handling your form validations on the SQL end? I'm sure you 
> could
> do it faster and better within CF.
>
> Cheers,
>
> !k
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tom Kitta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:17 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more
>
> The SQL server stored procedure returns: single row which is not HTML - CF
> builds HTML based on that single row result set.
> The data contained in SQL resultset has things like: 'User Name_txt50' -
> means display a field with caption 'User Name' that is a text field with 
> 50
> chars length. It can also return values that are interpreted as calls to
> additional stored procedures to be made by CF (i.e. SQL tells CF how to
> populate a dropdown by telling it: call this stored procedure to get your
> data). Another example, hidden form field such as userID would be passed
> with column name 'userID_hidden' and say a value of 23456.
>
> Form validation is done in SQL (except JS which can be given to CF from DB
> via initial "single data row") - CF just passes form scope to SQL server 
> and
>
> SQL server either is OK with it or throws an error. Business rules are 
> also
> in SQL - SQL server determines for example whatever to renew user
> subscription  or not.
>
> TK
>
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Dave Watts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 4:10 PM
> Subject: RE: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more
>
>
>>> I am wondering whatever anyone seen/ has opinion about the
>>> following system ...
>>
>> Does "yecch" count as an opinion?
>>
>> Seriously, though, what exactly is being returned by SQL Server? XML
>> documents? Recordsets? Strings containing HTML?
>>
>> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
>> http://www.figleaf.com/
>>
>> Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
>> instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta,
>> Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location.
>> Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information!
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>>
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>
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Re: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more

[Tom Kitta]

To build sample form with first name last name and address SQL server would 
send the following to CF presentation engine using tomForm_form stored 
procedure, with pre-populated data for myself:

First NameLast NameAddressPostal Code_txt6ID_hidden
TomKitta123 Some streetM2J1L6 123456

when user clicks on update button the CF system would know it needs to use 
tomForm_update stored procedure to update. If update fails for some reason 
(say validation) tomForm_update throws an error and CF displays it.

Deletions could be done with tomForm_delete stored proc, insertions with 
tomForm_insert etc.

CF code is not modified at all for every new form added to the system. All 
forms are very similar in "style" since only some basic customizations can 
be applied to a form via SQL stored procedure (for example column has a 
value of hr tag).

TK

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To: "CF-Talk" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 4:15 PM
Subject: RE: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more


>I was just going to mention that you could get pretty creative with XSL
> templates if XML is the main idea, but I didn't get that vibe from your
> post.
>
> I actually know of a company that uses this method quite well, but they 
> also
> have a *large* development staff.
>
> !k
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:10 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more
>
>> I am wondering whatever anyone seen/ has opinion about the
>> following system ...
>
> Does "yecch" count as an opinion?
>
> Seriously, though, what exactly is being returned by SQL Server? XML
> documents? Recordsets? Strings containing HTML?
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
>
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> Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location.
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>
>
>
> 

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RE: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more

[Brad Wood]

That would definitely be a two-tiered system.  With all of your business
logic in the database, I'm not sure how well that would scale.  If all
your database did was save and retrieve data, it would be easier to
accommodate more users by simple adding some more web servers, but if
your database starts getting bogged down because it is taking on the
work of two tiers that would be harder to remedy I would think.

~Brad

-Original Message-
From: Tom Kitta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:57 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more

I am wondering whatever anyone seen/ has opinion about the following
system:

All information that is presented on a HTML form to end user is build
with 
information supplied by SQL Server stored procedure. I mean the data
that 
makes the form + information how form should look like - information 
whatever a checkbox should be used or a text field + any special HTML 
formatting.

All that CF does is: parse the result of stored procedure call and build

HTML form based on data provided by stored proc. The CF components can 
dynamically build any form based on data from SQL server. CF is used as
a 
page formatting engine - it formats data provided to it into visually 
pleasant form.

On SQL server there are 1000's of stored procedures which are used to 
display form, validate, update, delete etc. Essentialy the form building
is 
done on SQL server without even looking at any CF code. CF is a black
box 
which rarely changes while 99% of development is in pure T-SQL (All 
developers are SQL experts while most don't know what CF is).

TK 





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Re: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more

[Robert Munn]

I disagree that most developers are SQL experts, but that is a separate 
discussion. 

As to your specific question about using CF as a presentation engine, that is a 
large part of what CF apps do. However, you need additional code in your 
application to control logic flow, check application-level security, and 
perform other business logic. Pushing all of that stuff to SQL makes no sense, 
and would IMHO be beyond the skills of most developers. How many developers 
could build a stored proc that modelled the Controller pattern in SQL? Not many.

>I am wondering whatever anyone seen/ has opinion about the following system:
>
>All information that is presented on a HTML form to end user is build with 
>information supplied by SQL Server stored procedure. I mean the data that 
>makes the form + information how form should look like - information 
>whatever a checkbox should be used or a text field + any special HTML 
>formatting.
>
>All that CF does is: parse the result of stored procedure call and build 
>HTML form based on data provided by stored proc. The CF components can 
>dynamically build any form based on data from SQL server. CF is used as a 
>page formatting engine - it formats data provided to it into visually 
>pleasant form.
>
>On SQL server there are 1000's of stored procedures which are used to 
>display form, validate, update, delete etc. Essentialy the form building is 
>done on SQL server without even looking at any CF code. CF is a black box 
>which rarely changes while 99% of development is in pure T-SQL (All 
>developers are SQL experts while most don't know what CF is).
>
>TK

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RE: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more

[Kevin Aebig]

So if you want to change the interface, you need to change the table
structure? Wow...

And you're handling your form validations on the SQL end? I'm sure you could
do it faster and better within CF.

Cheers,

!k

-Original Message-
From: Tom Kitta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:17 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more

The SQL server stored procedure returns: single row which is not HTML - CF 
builds HTML based on that single row result set.
The data contained in SQL resultset has things like: 'User Name_txt50' - 
means display a field with caption 'User Name' that is a text field with 50 
chars length. It can also return values that are interpreted as calls to 
additional stored procedures to be made by CF (i.e. SQL tells CF how to 
populate a dropdown by telling it: call this stored procedure to get your 
data). Another example, hidden form field such as userID would be passed 
with column name 'userID_hidden' and say a value of 23456.

Form validation is done in SQL (except JS which can be given to CF from DB 
via initial "single data row") - CF just passes form scope to SQL server and

SQL server either is OK with it or throws an error. Business rules are also 
in SQL - SQL server determines for example whatever to renew user 
subscription  or not.

TK



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From: "Dave Watts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 4:10 PM
Subject: RE: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more


>> I am wondering whatever anyone seen/ has opinion about the
>> following system ...
>
> Does "yecch" count as an opinion?
>
> Seriously, though, what exactly is being returned by SQL Server? XML
> documents? Recordsets? Strings containing HTML?
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
>
> Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
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Re: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more

[Tom Kitta]

SQL programmers don't touch presentation - no one really touches it - its CF 
that does typesetting - its automatic as far as HTML form formatting is 
concerned.

Thus I said CF as a presentation engine - CF does the presentation of data 
spitted out by SQL server based on some settings passed in the result set.

Interesting part is that CF code is almost never modified and it doesn't do 
anything but interpretation of SQL server provided data.

TK

- Original Message - 
From: "Kevin Aebig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 4:14 PM
Subject: RE: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more


> The fact that you have SQL experts working on your presentation layer 
> seems
> pretty crazy in that they aren't trained nor have the right toolset to be
> doing it properly.
>
> Graphic Artists / Web designers and even programmers are better suited to
> handle the user interaction. IMHO Data experts should stick with data...
>
> Cheers,
>
> !k
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tom Kitta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:57 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more
>
> I am wondering whatever anyone seen/ has opinion about the following 
> system:
>
> All information that is presented on a HTML form to end user is build with
> information supplied by SQL Server stored procedure. I mean the data that
> makes the form + information how form should look like - information
> whatever a checkbox should be used or a text field + any special HTML
> formatting.
>
> All that CF does is: parse the result of stored procedure call and build
> HTML form based on data provided by stored proc. The CF components can
> dynamically build any form based on data from SQL server. CF is used as a
> page formatting engine - it formats data provided to it into visually
> pleasant form.
>
> On SQL server there are 1000's of stored procedures which are used to
> display form, validate, update, delete etc. Essentialy the form building 
> is
> done on SQL server without even looking at any CF code. CF is a black box
> which rarely changes while 99% of development is in pure T-SQL (All
> developers are SQL experts while most don't know what CF is).
>
> TK
>
>
>
>
>
> 

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Re: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more

[Tom Kitta]

The SQL server stored procedure returns: single row which is not HTML - CF 
builds HTML based on that single row result set.
The data contained in SQL resultset has things like: 'User Name_txt50' - 
means display a field with caption 'User Name' that is a text field with 50 
chars length. It can also return values that are interpreted as calls to 
additional stored procedures to be made by CF (i.e. SQL tells CF how to 
populate a dropdown by telling it: call this stored procedure to get your 
data). Another example, hidden form field such as userID would be passed 
with column name 'userID_hidden' and say a value of 23456.

Form validation is done in SQL (except JS which can be given to CF from DB 
via initial "single data row") - CF just passes form scope to SQL server and 
SQL server either is OK with it or throws an error. Business rules are also 
in SQL - SQL server determines for example whatever to renew user 
subscription  or not.

TK



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To: "CF-Talk" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 4:10 PM
Subject: RE: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more


>> I am wondering whatever anyone seen/ has opinion about the
>> following system ...
>
> Does "yecch" count as an opinion?
>
> Seriously, though, what exactly is being returned by SQL Server? XML
> documents? Recordsets? Strings containing HTML?
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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RE: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more

[Kevin Aebig]

I was just going to mention that you could get pretty creative with XSL
templates if XML is the main idea, but I didn't get that vibe from your
post.

I actually know of a company that uses this method quite well, but they also
have a *large* development staff.

!k

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:10 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more

> I am wondering whatever anyone seen/ has opinion about the 
> following system ...

Does "yecch" count as an opinion?

Seriously, though, what exactly is being returned by SQL Server? XML
documents? Recordsets? Strings containing HTML?

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RE: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more

[Kevin Aebig]

The fact that you have SQL experts working on your presentation layer seems
pretty crazy in that they aren't trained nor have the right toolset to be
doing it properly.

Graphic Artists / Web designers and even programmers are better suited to
handle the user interaction. IMHO Data experts should stick with data... 

Cheers,

!k

-Original Message-
From: Tom Kitta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:57 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more

I am wondering whatever anyone seen/ has opinion about the following system:

All information that is presented on a HTML form to end user is build with 
information supplied by SQL Server stored procedure. I mean the data that 
makes the form + information how form should look like - information 
whatever a checkbox should be used or a text field + any special HTML 
formatting.

All that CF does is: parse the result of stored procedure call and build 
HTML form based on data provided by stored proc. The CF components can 
dynamically build any form based on data from SQL server. CF is used as a 
page formatting engine - it formats data provided to it into visually 
pleasant form.

On SQL server there are 1000's of stored procedures which are used to 
display form, validate, update, delete etc. Essentialy the form building is 
done on SQL server without even looking at any CF code. CF is a black box 
which rarely changes while 99% of development is in pure T-SQL (All 
developers are SQL experts while most don't know what CF is).

TK 





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RE: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more

[Dave Watts]

> I am wondering whatever anyone seen/ has opinion about the 
> following system ...

Does "yecch" count as an opinion?

Seriously, though, what exactly is being returned by SQL Server? XML
documents? Recordsets? Strings containing HTML?

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Re: ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more

[John Blayter]

IMHO... Use the systems for what they are designed for. Sure SQL
server can generate HTML but is that the best way to maintain it? The
thought of having to sort through thousands of stored procs instead of
some kind of file system to make a presentation change just sounds
like my personal version of hell.

On 9/5/06, Tom Kitta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am wondering whatever anyone seen/ has opinion about the following system:
>
> All information that is presented on a HTML form to end user is build with
> information supplied by SQL Server stored procedure. I mean the data that
> makes the form + information how form should look like - information
> whatever a checkbox should be used or a text field + any special HTML
> formatting.
>
> All that CF does is: parse the result of stored procedure call and build
> HTML form based on data provided by stored proc. The CF components can
> dynamically build any form based on data from SQL server. CF is used as a
> page formatting engine - it formats data provided to it into visually
> pleasant form.
>
> On SQL server there are 1000's of stored procedures which are used to
> display form, validate, update, delete etc. Essentialy the form building is
> done on SQL server without even looking at any CF code. CF is a black box
> which rarely changes while 99% of development is in pure T-SQL (All
> developers are SQL experts while most don't know what CF is).
>
> TK
>
>
>
> 

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Re: OT: FckEditor / JS

[Claude Schneegans]

 >>keep in mind  then that they can paste anything they want into FCKeditor

Sure, but in general, they just don't want to.
I mean not in a CMS used by users who are brought out in a rash as soon 
as they see an HTML tag ;-)

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ColdFusion as presentation engine and nothing more

[Tom Kitta]

I am wondering whatever anyone seen/ has opinion about the following system:

All information that is presented on a HTML form to end user is build with 
information supplied by SQL Server stored procedure. I mean the data that 
makes the form + information how form should look like - information 
whatever a checkbox should be used or a text field + any special HTML 
formatting.

All that CF does is: parse the result of stored procedure call and build 
HTML form based on data provided by stored proc. The CF components can 
dynamically build any form based on data from SQL server. CF is used as a 
page formatting engine - it formats data provided to it into visually 
pleasant form.

On SQL server there are 1000's of stored procedures which are used to 
display form, validate, update, delete etc. Essentialy the form building is 
done on SQL server without even looking at any CF code. CF is a black box 
which rarely changes while 99% of development is in pure T-SQL (All 
developers are SQL experts while most don't know what CF is).

TK 



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Re: OT: FckEditor / JS

[Claude Schneegans]

 >> I don’t want them dragging and resizing images in the editor because 
it will just confuse them.

Exact, IMHO, all those HTML editors around are just too poweful for the 
hoi polloi.
This is why I've developed my own. Images should not been inserted in 
the HTML editor,
but in the CMS. Each page can have as many paragraph as needed, each 
paragraph
can have one image, top, top-left, or top right, plus a couple of other 
options.
Another advantage is that images are registered in the database by the CMS,
so the user can chose the image by its description instead of the file 
name which
means nothing, especially if it has been changed by the system because 
of duplicates.

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RE: I am soooo pissed

[Andy Matthews]

Just wait. The person bidding might default.



-Original Message-
From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:25 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: I am s pissed


No, it was just a regular type name I suppose. gobuddy.com the auction is
now at 3,800.00


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From: "Snake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:22 PM
Subject: RE: I am s pissed


> Was it something CF related, as I have tons of CF related domains
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 05 September 2006 20:13
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: OT: I am s pissed
>
> I hate all these auctions for domain names. I was after a domain that
> expired and was being auctioned at snapnames, I had a limit at what I
would
> pay and it was 1,000.00 and the damn thing is already up to 2,600.00 Oh
> well, I guess the search continues for something good.
>
>
>
>



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Re: I am soooo pissed

[Doug Brown]

GOING ONCE...GOING TWICESOLD!!! for 4,500.00 TOsomeone other than me
:(



- Original Message - 
From: "Doug Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: I am s pissed


> No, it was just a regular type name I suppose. gobuddy.com the auction is
> now at 3,800.00
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Snake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:22 PM
> Subject: RE: I am s pissed
>
>
> > Was it something CF related, as I have tons of CF related domains
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 05 September 2006 20:13
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: OT: I am s pissed
> >
> > I hate all these auctions for domain names. I was after a domain that
> > expired and was being auctioned at snapnames, I had a limit at what I
> would
> > pay and it was 1,000.00 and the damn thing is already up to 2,600.00 Oh
> > well, I guess the search continues for something good.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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RE: OT: FckEditor / JS

[Bobby Hartsfield]

Yes, but they wouldn’t have pasted images. They wouldn’t have thought about
it. But its not using FCK now so oh well. 

..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.
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-Original Message-
From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 3:16 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: OT: FckEditor / JS

Bobby Hartsfield wrote:
> No not really. Images can only be chosen by a drop down list then aligned
> top right of the content (content wraps it of course). I don’t want them
> dragging and resizing images in the editor because it will just confuse
> them. So that’s one strike

Ah...

Well then, keep in mind  then that they can paste anything they want 
into FCKeditor... regardless of what you put on the toolbar.

Rick



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Re: debugging my chat app

[Dan Plesse]

I wrote three chat apps and one multi-user game. 1. Flash 2. Flex 3. Java
Applet all with jabber.



On 9/5/06, Rick Root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'd love it if a whole bunch of folks would come into my chat room and
> hang out for a couple minutes.
>
> http://www.opensourcecf.com/cfopenchat/demo/
>
> I'm trying to debug some issues, one of which may involve server load
> and how the ajax app handles things.
>
> Rick
>
> 

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Re: I am soooo pissed

[Doug Brown]

No, it was just a regular type name I suppose. gobuddy.com the auction is
now at 3,800.00


- Original Message - 
From: "Snake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:22 PM
Subject: RE: I am s pissed


> Was it something CF related, as I have tons of CF related domains
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 05 September 2006 20:13
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: OT: I am s pissed
>
> I hate all these auctions for domain names. I was after a domain that
> expired and was being auctioned at snapnames, I had a limit at what I
would
> pay and it was 1,000.00 and the damn thing is already up to 2,600.00 Oh
> well, I guess the search continues for something good.
>
>
>
> 

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Re: hssf poi (generating excel) and norton internet worm protecti on

[Dan Plesse]

Looks to me like all my crazy versions work egually well now. Must have been
something else, but nice call.

Even this crazy combo

workBook.setSheetName(0, "My First Sheet",workBook.ENCODING_UTF_16);
uglyStyle.setFillBackgroundColor(40);
workBook.getSheet("My First
Sheet").getRow(0).getCell(0).setCellStyle(uglyStyle);

Crazy stuff !!!

In Open office too!!




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>
> > As per normal I found an error in his code.
> >
> > 
> >
> > should be
> >
> > 
>
> Are you sure that's an error? The HSSF docs say that the createCell method
> of the row object returns the new cell, so you should be able to reference
> it directly as Dave Ross is doing.
>
>
> http://jakarta.apache.org/poi/apidocs/org/apache/poi/hssf/usermodel/HSSFRow
> .
> html#createCell(short)
>
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RE: I am soooo pissed

[Snake]

Was it something CF related, as I have tons of CF related domains 

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Sent: 05 September 2006 20:13
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Subject: OT: I am s pissed

I hate all these auctions for domain names. I was after a domain that
expired and was being auctioned at snapnames, I had a limit at what I would
pay and it was 1,000.00 and the damn thing is already up to 2,600.00 Oh
well, I guess the search continues for something good.



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RE: debugging my chat app

[Turetsky, Seth]

I was in, but got booted out and can't get back in.
"Initialization failed" 

-Original Message-
From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 3:14 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: debugging my chat app

I'd love it if a whole bunch of folks would come into my chat room and hang out 
for a couple minutes.

http://www.opensourcecf.com/cfopenchat/demo/

I'm trying to debug some issues, one of which may involve server load and how 
the ajax app handles things.

Rick



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Re: OT: I am soooo pissed

[Jake Churchill]

domainnamessuck.com?

Doug Brown wrote:
> I hate all these auctions for domain names. I was after a domain that expired 
> and was being auctioned at snapnames, I had a limit at what I would pay and 
> it was 1,000.00 and the damn thing is already up to 2,600.00
> Oh well, I guess the search continues for something good.
>
> 

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