Re: Multiple Blogs on one site

2007-04-07 Thread Jon Clausen
Thanks for the plug, Charlie.   I added an exclamation point in my  
Charlie's List for each of your feature requests ;-)

On a side note to that I've been pretty busy of late with my head  
down re-architecting the admin UI and comments functionality.  A  
bunch of changes which you (and Ben Nadel) suggested are in there,  
but since I took the time to convert the old code over to an MVC  
pattern and separate all of the presentation from the logic while I  
was monkeying around, CFBlog will have to be patched all at once  
instead of incrementally.  Hope you can wait a couple more weeks. :-)

For Vince:

Vince, the BF Enterprise Portal has some pretty nice features based  
on what it sounds like you need.  Feel free to e-mail me off-list if  
you want to take a test drive and I'll get you a demo portal to play  
with. One advantage to using the hosted service is that we can  
fully integrate with the server for things like separate domains for  
portals and individual blogs.


For Nate:

Nate,  responding  to your reply later in this thread, I'm sorry.  I  
don' t get comments e-mails for the old BF dev blog  and I'm actually  
going to be consolidating the CFBlog Admin Blog as the only  
Blogfusion Dev blog since CFBlog always gets upgrades before any of  
the other portals.

I just checked your comment.   If you want to follow up with that and  
discuss, shoot me and e-mail off list and I'll go more into detail  
with a response to your concerns.   I'm not trying to duck it, mind  
you,  it's a more detailed response than I'm ready to type at 2AM :-)

Regards,

Jon Clausen

On Apr 6, 2007, at 1:16 PM, Charlie Griefer wrote:

 The only thing I can offer up is that I use BlogFusion's hosted blog
 (http://cfblog.com/cgriefer/index.cfm) and I'm pretty happy with it.

 I don't know how the features of the cfblog sites compare with the
 features of the Enterprise Blog Portal software, but overall I'm
 pretty happy (altho there are a few features I'd like to see added).

 I will offer up a HUGE recommendation for the guys behind BlogFusion
 tho.  Whenever I've had an issue (be it a bug or an enhancement
 request), Jon (Clausen) has always been right on top of it.  When I
 say there are some features I'd like to see added... that's true, but
 there have also been new features added (pretty quickly) that were
 added as a result of my requests/suggestions.

 If customer service is important to you, I wouldn't hesitate to look
 closely at the BlogFusion offerings.

 On 4/6/07, Vince Collins (NHJobs.com) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Multiple Blogs, Multiple Users, Overall Aggregated Portal of all  
 Blogs.

 I'm thinking of adding blogs to an existing commercial site.  I  
 want my
 current customer base to have the option of creating one to many  
 blogs
 under their existing account.  Also having the option of more than  
 one
 user allowed to post blogs is desirable.  I would also like for  
 them to
 choose a short URL for their blog such as
 http://domainname.com/userchoice and have that created when the  
 blog is
 created behind the scenes.

 Has anyone done this using an existing CF-based or other blog
 application?  Does it comply with that blog application user license?

 I noticed that BlogFusion's Enterprise Blog Portal might be along the
 lines of what I was thinking of doing.  Does anyone use  
 BlogFusion?  I'm
 not sure it will be flexible enough to have it all hosted there since
 I'd like to be able to tie it all into the larger premise of the  
 site.

 Any help, suggestions, or experience with BlogFusion, BlogCFC,  
 BlogCFM
 or other tools would be much appreciated.

 Best Regards,

 Vince Collins

 PS:  Ray Camden, if you are listening, have you allowed BlogCFC to be
 used for this sort of use?  Your user license is dependent on other
 underlying code bases so it's a bit fuzzy if I would be able to do  
 this
 sort of thing.  I would not rule out the option of paying a  
 license fee
 or provide a nice donation if that might be an option.




 

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Re: Using CFCs in session scope - need cflock help

2007-04-07 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
So, you are talking about creating CFCs on the fly per user? Dynamic
code-generation?





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Subject: RE: Using CFCs in session scope - need cflock help

 They can be very memory intensive so giving each user their 
 own session CFC which is identical to ever other users 
 doesn't make any sense as it would be needless consumption of 
 memory space.

If the instances (including instance data) were truly identical, you would
be right. If they're not, there's nothing inherently wrong with storing them
in the Session scope.

 You also cannot use replication with them in session scope 
 (this may have been fixed in CF7/JRun updater, I know it was 
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Sadly, this is still true in CF 7.

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Re: Session timeout problems

2007-04-07 Thread Ariel Jakobovits
Does the use of AJAX also make race conditions more likely?

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If you aren't using frames (or any other techniques that could request
multiple pages in the same session simultaneously), then session scope
race conditions are very unlikely.

On 4/6/07, Jason Dunaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I do use cflock throughout the site, but not when creating a user session 
 variable via setting up a component object.  I guess my thinking was that 
 when I create a user session it's per user, so conflicts/deadlocks wouldn't 
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Re: Session timeout problems

2007-04-07 Thread James Holmes
Depending on how it's done, it certainly can. It's perfectly possible
to make a number of independent AJAX calls rapidly and since they will
all return whenever they feel like finishing they may run at the same
time, so locking session scope access can become more important in
this scenario.

On 4/7/07, Ariel Jakobovits [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Does the use of AJAX also make race conditions more likely?

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 Sent: Friday, April 6, 2007 8:04:20 AM
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 If you aren't using frames (or any other techniques that could request
 multiple pages in the same session simultaneously), then session scope
 race conditions are very unlikely.

 On 4/6/07, Jason Dunaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I do use cflock throughout the site, but not when creating a user session 
  variable via setting up a component object.  I guess my thinking was that 
  when I create a user session it's per user, so conflicts/deadlocks 
  wouldn't be common.  I

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A Question for Development: Ajax Now or Ajax Later?

2007-04-07 Thread Rick Faircloth
Hi, all..

Just wanted to throw this out for some perspective.

For a few years I've been wanting to get in on the Ajax-style development.

However, dealing with javascript was just going to take more time than I
could
spare and keep up with project demands, since I have no experience with it.

Along comes jQuery, and it's straightforward enough that I can probably make
it work without it becoming like a second job taking up so much time.

But with CF 8 right around the corner, integrating Ajax into the tag code (
I hope ),
working with Ajax development will become much easier and part of my
CF 8 development instead of an add-on through a js library like jQuery.

So the question, becomes... spend a lot of time now learning to implement
jQuery
and Web 2.0 interfaces and functionality or wait for CF 8, see what it
provides,
and then just fill in any remaining gaps with third-party development?

Thanks for the perspective...

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Re: A Question for Development: Ajax Now or Ajax Later?

2007-04-07 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
No harm in learning the ins and outs now, as undoubtedly the Adobe
integration will hand feed the developer and when you need to something more
advanced you will be pinging lists asking how (which of course is what lists
are for)

An hour or so would familiarise you with Ajax development to a degree, you
could see it as your duty to know at least the basics before you let Adobe
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From: Rick Faircloth
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Sat Apr 07 14:31:31 2007
Subject: A Question for Development:  Ajax Now or Ajax Later?

Hi, all..

Just wanted to throw this out for some perspective.

For a few years I've been wanting to get in on the Ajax-style development.

However, dealing with javascript was just going to take more time than I
could
spare and keep up with project demands, since I have no experience with it.

Along comes jQuery, and it's straightforward enough that I can probably make
it work without it becoming like a second job taking up so much time.

But with CF 8 right around the corner, integrating Ajax into the tag code (
I hope ),
working with Ajax development will become much easier and part of my
CF 8 development instead of an add-on through a js library like jQuery.

So the question, becomes... spend a lot of time now learning to implement
jQuery
and Web 2.0 interfaces and functionality or wait for CF 8, see what it
provides,
and then just fill in any remaining gaps with third-party development?

Thanks for the perspective...

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Re: Building a Web Proxy with Authentication

2007-04-07 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
 My big issue now is how to call a page that uses Windows (or
 windows-like) authentication.  Is it as simple as passing the username
 and password parameters for a CFHTTP call?  The sites that I'm going
 to be linking to use either the IIS authentication or web form
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Re: A Question for Development: Ajax Now or Ajax Later?

2007-04-07 Thread Paul Hastings
Rick Faircloth wrote:
 For a few years I've been wanting to get in on the Ajax-style development.

why not flex?

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Re: A Question for Development: Ajax Now or Ajax Later?

2007-04-07 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Coz it's rubbish :-)



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Re: A Question for Development: Ajax Now or Ajax Later?

2007-04-07 Thread James Holmes
If by rubbish you mean the most productive way to produce a rich
internet app, then sure, I'm in agreement :-)

Flex and AJAX both have their place and they can both be very uselful
- they can even work with one another using the Flex-AJAX bridge.

On 4/7/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote:
 Coz it's rubbish :-)


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 Rick Faircloth wrote:
  For a few years I've been wanting to get in on the Ajax-style development.

 why not flex?


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RE: A Question for Development: Ajax Now or Ajax Later?

2007-04-07 Thread Rick Faircloth
I guess Flex is an option, but I've tried working with Flash with every
version that has come out, and I've hated working with the Flash timeline.
It's not that I'm unfamiliar with timelines... I've been using them edit
video
for the past 12 years.  I just found the Flash interface to be unintuitive
and
difficult to use to accomplish much.

That said, I realize that Flex has a different interface, which is the only
reason
why I would even consider it.  And there also the face that I have to pay a
minimum
of $500 to even get in the game... not a killer, but if I'm already
purchasing CF 8...

Rick

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Re: A Question for Development: Ajax Now or Ajax Later?

2007-04-07 Thread Rey Bango
Rick,

Neil said it perfectly. Its good to know the ins and outs of Ajax but 
more specifically, DOM manipulation. Ajax functionality is a very small 
aspect of what everyone regards as Web 2.0-style development and whether 
you're using jQuery, Prototype or whatever CF8 provides, you need to 
familiarize yourself with how to work with the DOM.

Since I'm part of the CF8 beta, one thing I can say is that what you 
learn with jQuery will not be wasted when you use CF8.

Rey...

Rick Faircloth wrote:
 Hi, all..
 
 Just wanted to throw this out for some perspective.
 
 For a few years I've been wanting to get in on the Ajax-style development.
 
 However, dealing with javascript was just going to take more time than I
 could
 spare and keep up with project demands, since I have no experience with it.
 
 Along comes jQuery, and it's straightforward enough that I can probably make
 it work without it becoming like a second job taking up so much time.
 
 But with CF 8 right around the corner, integrating Ajax into the tag code (
 I hope ),
 working with Ajax development will become much easier and part of my
 CF 8 development instead of an add-on through a js library like jQuery.
 
 So the question, becomes... spend a lot of time now learning to implement
 jQuery
 and Web 2.0 interfaces and functionality or wait for CF 8, see what it
 provides,
 and then just fill in any remaining gaps with third-party development?
 
 Thanks for the perspective...
 
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Re: A Question for Development: Ajax Now or Ajax Later?

2007-04-07 Thread Rey Bango
 Flex and AJAX both have their place and they can both be very uselful
 - they can even work with one another using the Flex-AJAX bridge.

Yep, very true. The only thing that Adobe has not effectively done is 
clarify when either technology should be used. I really think that needs 
to be addressed so that developers can make correct architectural 
decisions for their applications and customers.

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Re: A Question for Development: Ajax Now or Ajax Later?

2007-04-07 Thread Paul Hastings
Rick Faircloth wrote:
 I guess Flex is an option, but I've tried working with Flash with every
 version that has come out, and I've hated working with the Flash timeline.

the timeline has gone bye-bye as far as flex is concerned.

 why I would even consider it.  And there also the face that I have to pay a
 minimum
 of $500 to even get in the game... not a killer, but if I'm already

everything is free except for the flex builder  you can use that for 30 days 
to 
see how it fits  i know somebody (named tom ;-) will likely tell you that you 
don't even need that to do flex.

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Re: A Question for Development: Ajax Now or Ajax Later?

2007-04-07 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Let's not get into the who loves Flex debate :-) I'm not a fan of Flex for
sure, it has it's place but for apps in a browsernah.

Roll on Apollo :-)




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Subject: Re: A Question for Development: Ajax Now or Ajax Later?

If by rubbish you mean the most productive way to produce a rich
internet app, then sure, I'm in agreement :-)

Flex and AJAX both have their place and they can both be very uselful
- they can even work with one another using the Flex-AJAX bridge.

On 4/7/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote:
 Coz it's rubbish :-)


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 Rick Faircloth wrote:
  For a few years I've been wanting to get in on the Ajax-style
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 why not flex?


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Re: A Question for Development: Ajax Now or Ajax Later?

2007-04-07 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
And Rey said it perfectly.  The vanilla toucher of Ajax wants it like CFML -
all fluffy like, it's not and you need to learn/know JS to a degree  (well
any web developer should know at least the most basic DOM manipulation and
JS).






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Sent: Sat Apr 07 16:37:11 2007
Subject: Re: A Question for Development:  Ajax Now or Ajax Later?

Rick,

Neil said it perfectly. Its good to know the ins and outs of Ajax but 
more specifically, DOM manipulation. Ajax functionality is a very small 
aspect of what everyone regards as Web 2.0-style development and whether 
you're using jQuery, Prototype or whatever CF8 provides, you need to 
familiarize yourself with how to work with the DOM.

Since I'm part of the CF8 beta, one thing I can say is that what you 
learn with jQuery will not be wasted when you use CF8.

Rey...

Rick Faircloth wrote:
 Hi, all..
 
 Just wanted to throw this out for some perspective.
 
 For a few years I've been wanting to get in on the Ajax-style development.
 
 However, dealing with javascript was just going to take more time than I
 could
 spare and keep up with project demands, since I have no experience with
it.
 
 Along comes jQuery, and it's straightforward enough that I can probably
make
 it work without it becoming like a second job taking up so much time.
 
 But with CF 8 right around the corner, integrating Ajax into the tag code
(
 I hope ),
 working with Ajax development will become much easier and part of my
 CF 8 development instead of an add-on through a js library like jQuery.
 
 So the question, becomes... spend a lot of time now learning to implement
 jQuery
 and Web 2.0 interfaces and functionality or wait for CF 8, see what it
 provides,
 and then just fill in any remaining gaps with third-party development?
 
 Thanks for the perspective...
 
 Rick
 
 
 
 



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Re: A Question for Development: Ajax Now or Ajax Later?

2007-04-07 Thread Casey Dougall
Dreamweaver CS3 will have SPRY built in...


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Re: A Question for Development: Ajax Now or Ajax Later?

2007-04-07 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Indeed, though as noted, it will be spoon feeding and nothing beats just
knowing what is going on under the hood.

How feature complete/full will Spry be in comparison to other FWs?






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Re: A Question for Development: Ajax Now or Ajax Later?

2007-04-07 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
And to be fair, how many of us actually still use DW now :-)



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RE: A Question for Development: Ajax Now or Ajax Later?

2007-04-07 Thread Jim Davis
 -Original Message-
 From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 9:32 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: A Question for Development: Ajax Now or Ajax Later?
 
 Hi, all..
 
 Just wanted to throw this out for some perspective.
 
 For a few years I've been wanting to get in on the Ajax-style
 development.
 
 However, dealing with javascript was just going to take more time than
 I
 could
 spare and keep up with project demands, since I have no experience with
 it.

The great thing is that experience with JavaScript just isn't wasted.

+) The same language (ecmaScript) forms the basis of MANY scripting tools.
Flash ActionScript, Windows Scripting Host, CFScript, jscript.net,
SilkScript, LoadRunner Script, etc.  You can use it as an alternate language
to VB for Applications and most OSes can be scripted using a version (WSH or
jscript.net for windows, JavaScript OSA for Mac, and one whose name I can't
remember for *nix).

This shouldn't be underestimated.  There are just SO MANY things that are
easy to pick up once you know JavaScript well.  Even really unusual or
suprising things - for example using SQL Server 2005 you can actually write
Stored Procedures using jscript.net.  You can easily script Windows Media
Player (or Office or CorelDraw or any of many others).  In many cases
functionality is directly transferable between implementations (as long as
you segment core functionality from implementation specific elements).

For example I built a simple countdown timer in JavaScript for a web page.
That countdown timer, with no modifications works perfectly in Flash.  Same
for most of my Date and time utilities.

+) The basic syntax is very similar to common OO languages like Java and
C++.  Learning JavaScript doesn't mean you know Java, but knowing it does
mean you can generally figure out what's going on.

Moving to Java (as I am now) is incredibly painful, but knowing JavaScript
has made the transition easier (and, to be fair, more difficult in some
specific areas, but overall it's been greatly beneficial).

I guess all I'm saying is the however you get into it - via JQuery, some
other library or just noodling around - don't discount JavaScript as a one
trick pony only worth picking up to enhance your web forms.  Although of
course it's really, REALLY good at that.  ;^)  There's a lot of bang for
the buck in learning JavaScript - AJAX is only one of many perks.

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RE: MS Access Primary Key

2007-04-07 Thread Dave Watts
  If I recall correctly, you can't directly get Access schema 
  metadata through SQL.
 
 Right, but the info you can get is quite limited; you can get 
 a list of tables, I think columns too, and that's about it.

I was agreeing with you - you CAN'T directly get schema metadata through
SQL.

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RE: Hostmysite down...

2007-04-07 Thread Dave Watts
 I'm not sure we shouldn't point fingers at Adobe
 ColdFusion will hardly gain any market ground if 
 hosts are overwhelmed with complaints from their users on 
 shared hosting that their sites are constantly going down. 
 Are such problems as typical on PHP and ASP sites running on 
 shared hosting?? My own personal experience as well has been 
 that this is happening far more often on CF7 than it did with 
 CFMX 6. Not sure if that is just coincidence...but it 
 certainly seems like they should be working to *decrease* 
 such problems with each release. I'm hoping Scorpio will 
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I suspect that shared hosting may not be a significant source of CF sales
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RE: A Question for Development: Ajax Now or Ajax Later?

2007-04-07 Thread Andy Matthews
I have a question about that Rey. Will Adobe allow you to specify your
library of choice  or will we be force-fed the bloated Spry library?


andy

-Original Message-
From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 10:37 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: A Question for Development: Ajax Now or Ajax Later?

Rick,

Neil said it perfectly. Its good to know the ins and outs of Ajax but more
specifically, DOM manipulation. Ajax functionality is a very small aspect of
what everyone regards as Web 2.0-style development and whether you're using
jQuery, Prototype or whatever CF8 provides, you need to familiarize yourself
with how to work with the DOM.

Since I'm part of the CF8 beta, one thing I can say is that what you learn
with jQuery will not be wasted when you use CF8.

Rey...

Rick Faircloth wrote:
 Hi, all..
 
 Just wanted to throw this out for some perspective.
 
 For a few years I've been wanting to get in on the Ajax-style development.
 
 However, dealing with javascript was just going to take more time than 
 I could spare and keep up with project demands, since I have no 
 experience with it.
 
 Along comes jQuery, and it's straightforward enough that I can 
 probably make it work without it becoming like a second job taking up so
much time.
 
 But with CF 8 right around the corner, integrating Ajax into the tag 
 code ( I hope ), working with Ajax development will become much easier 
 and part of my CF 8 development instead of an add-on through a js 
 library like jQuery.
 
 So the question, becomes... spend a lot of time now learning to 
 implement jQuery and Web 2.0 interfaces and functionality or wait 
 for CF 8, see what it provides, and then just fill in any remaining 
 gaps with third-party development?
 
 Thanks for the perspective...
 
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RE: A Question for Development: Ajax Now or Ajax Later?

2007-04-07 Thread Dave Watts
 I guess Flex is an option, but I've tried working with Flash 
 with every version that has come out, and I've hated working 
 with the Flash timeline.
 It's not that I'm unfamiliar with timelines... I've been 
 using them edit video for the past 12 years.  I just found 
 the Flash interface to be unintuitive and difficult to use to 
 accomplish much.

Flex development is quite distinct, and different, from Flash development.
They share a common language (ActionScript), but that's about it. I know
nothing about how to develop in Flash, but am a competent Flex developer.
Flex development is more like Visual Basic or PowerBuilder development in
many ways - it's traditional forms-based development.

 That said, I realize that Flex has a different interface, 
 which is the only reason why I would even consider it.  And 
 there also the face that I have to pay a minimum of $500 to 
 even get in the game... not a killer, but if I'm already 
 purchasing CF 8...

You can download the trial version for free. If you can't recoup your
investment in a Flex IDE (and frankly, more importantly, the time it takes
you to learn something new), you should be able to find out fairly quickly
with the trial.

And finally, Flex is a much better solution for applications than AJAX,
which is a collection of band-aids applied to the sucking wound that is HTML
interface development.

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RE: Session timeout problems

2007-04-07 Thread Dave Watts
 Does the use of AJAX also make race conditions more likely?

Yes, in the same way that frames, popup windows, etc also make race
conditions more likely.

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RE: Building a Web Proxy with Authentication

2007-04-07 Thread Dave Watts
 My big issue now is how to call a page that uses Windows (or
 windows-like) authentication.  Is it as simple as passing 
 the username and password parameters for a CFHTTP call? The 
 sites that I'm going to be linking to use either the IIS 
 authentication or web form authentication.

There's a big difference between Windows authentication and Windows-like
authentication - I'm not even sure what you mean by that.

Windows authentication typically doesn't use a password - the password
itself is hashed by the client, and the hash is sent to the server for
comparison. IIS might be using Windows authentication, or it might be using
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Re: A Question for Development: Ajax Now or Ajax Later?

2007-04-07 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
And finally, Flex is a much better solution for applications than AJAX,
which is a collection of band-aids applied to the sucking wound that is HTML
interface development.

In your opinion :-)





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Subject: RE: A Question for Development:  Ajax Now or Ajax Later?

 I guess Flex is an option, but I've tried working with Flash 
 with every version that has come out, and I've hated working 
 with the Flash timeline.
 It's not that I'm unfamiliar with timelines... I've been 
 using them edit video for the past 12 years.  I just found 
 the Flash interface to be unintuitive and difficult to use to 
 accomplish much.

Flex development is quite distinct, and different, from Flash development.
They share a common language (ActionScript), but that's about it. I know
nothing about how to develop in Flash, but am a competent Flex developer.
Flex development is more like Visual Basic or PowerBuilder development in
many ways - it's traditional forms-based development.

 That said, I realize that Flex has a different interface, 
 which is the only reason why I would even consider it.  And 
 there also the face that I have to pay a minimum of $500 to 
 even get in the game... not a killer, but if I'm already 
 purchasing CF 8...

You can download the trial version for free. If you can't recoup your
investment in a Flex IDE (and frankly, more importantly, the time it takes
you to learn something new), you should be able to find out fairly quickly
with the trial.

And finally, Flex is a much better solution for applications than AJAX,
which is a collection of band-aids applied to the sucking wound that is HTML
interface development.

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Re: A Question for Development: Ajax Now or Ajax Later?

2007-04-07 Thread Paul Hastings
Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote:
 And finally, Flex is a much better solution for applications than AJAX,
 which is a collection of band-aids applied to the sucking wound that is HTML
 interface development.
 
 In your opinion :-)

ditto for yours that flex isn't so hot. we've done a lot of 'ajax' before we 
knew it was ajax (way back when we had to manage all the versions  
cross-browser stuff ourselves), we find flex to be a better all round solution 
for most of the stuff we build (the exception of course being locales w/an RTL 
writing system). and using it w/cf is drop dead simple.

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Re: A Question for Development: Ajax Now or Ajax Later?

2007-04-07 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
For sure, Flex has some kick ass neat stuff and I can see where it does make
sense (if I look hard enough), but I think that Apollo as an RIA makes more
sense than Flex delivered via the browser.

IMO :-)





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Subject: Re: A Question for Development:  Ajax Now or Ajax Later?

Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote:
 And finally, Flex is a much better solution for applications than AJAX,
 which is a collection of band-aids applied to the sucking wound that is
HTML
 interface development.
 
 In your opinion :-)

ditto for yours that flex isn't so hot. we've done a lot of 'ajax' before we

knew it was ajax (way back when we had to manage all the versions  
cross-browser stuff ourselves), we find flex to be a better all round
solution 
for most of the stuff we build (the exception of course being locales w/an
RTL 
writing system). and using it w/cf is drop dead simple.



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RE: A Question for Development: Ajax Now or Ajax Later?

2007-04-07 Thread Rick Faircloth
Thanks for the perspective, Jim...


-Original Message-
From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 2:56 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: A Question for Development: Ajax Now or Ajax Later?

 -Original Message-
 From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 9:32 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: A Question for Development: Ajax Now or Ajax Later?
 
 Hi, all..
 
 Just wanted to throw this out for some perspective.
 
 For a few years I've been wanting to get in on the Ajax-style
 development.
 
 However, dealing with javascript was just going to take more time than
 I
 could
 spare and keep up with project demands, since I have no experience with
 it.

The great thing is that experience with JavaScript just isn't wasted.

+) The same language (ecmaScript) forms the basis of MANY scripting tools.
Flash ActionScript, Windows Scripting Host, CFScript, jscript.net,
SilkScript, LoadRunner Script, etc.  You can use it as an alternate language
to VB for Applications and most OSes can be scripted using a version (WSH or
jscript.net for windows, JavaScript OSA for Mac, and one whose name I can't
remember for *nix).

This shouldn't be underestimated.  There are just SO MANY things that are
easy to pick up once you know JavaScript well.  Even really unusual or
suprising things - for example using SQL Server 2005 you can actually write
Stored Procedures using jscript.net.  You can easily script Windows Media
Player (or Office or CorelDraw or any of many others).  In many cases
functionality is directly transferable between implementations (as long as
you segment core functionality from implementation specific elements).

For example I built a simple countdown timer in JavaScript for a web page.
That countdown timer, with no modifications works perfectly in Flash.  Same
for most of my Date and time utilities.

+) The basic syntax is very similar to common OO languages like Java and
C++.  Learning JavaScript doesn't mean you know Java, but knowing it does
mean you can generally figure out what's going on.

Moving to Java (as I am now) is incredibly painful, but knowing JavaScript
has made the transition easier (and, to be fair, more difficult in some
specific areas, but overall it's been greatly beneficial).

I guess all I'm saying is the however you get into it - via JQuery, some
other library or just noodling around - don't discount JavaScript as a one
trick pony only worth picking up to enhance your web forms.  Although of
course it's really, REALLY good at that.  ;^)  There's a lot of bang for
the buck in learning JavaScript - AJAX is only one of many perks.

Jim Davis




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Re: Hostmysite down...

2007-04-07 Thread Will Tomlinson
no more problems with other people's rubbish code.


James, don't talk about dave's code like that! :)


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Re: A Question for Development: Ajax Now or Ajax Later?

2007-04-07 Thread James Holmes
Of course Flex is one of the primary development platforms for Apollo...

On 4/8/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 For sure, Flex has some kick ass neat stuff and I can see where it does make
 sense (if I look hard enough), but I think that Apollo as an RIA makes more
 sense than Flex delivered via the browser.

 IMO :-)

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Re: A Question for Development: Ajax Now or Ajax Later?

2007-04-07 Thread Rey Bango
 And finally, Flex is a much better solution for applications than AJAX,
 which is a collection of band-aids applied to the sucking wound that is HTML
 interface development.

I think Flex is a better solution for developing desktop-like 
applications that have a requirement of broadband service or will be 
focused on internal networks (similar to client/server apps). For a 
typical consumer-oriented website where you need to accommodate for a 
variety of connection types and bandwidth requirements, Ajax is better 
suited and provides excellent features for providing desktop-like 
functionality.

Having worked extensively with the technologies used in building Web 
2.0-style applications, I can tell you that they're far from band-aids 
and that HTML still rules supreme for web application development.

Rey...

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CFPOP Missing UID - cfmx 6.1

2007-04-07 Thread joe velez
Hi

I have tried using CFPOP ACTION='GETALL' and CFPOP ACTION='GETHEADERONLY' (for 
testing purposes) and have noticed that on several occasions more than 1 
message will not provide a UID. When I ouput the UID for each message a lot of 
them are blank.

Has anyone else seen this problem? How can it be fixed (without trying to parse 
the headers -- which can be done later).

Additionally, I've noticed the following. If the message does return a UID the 
message has Message-ID: followed by the returned UID located in the headers. 
If the message does not return a UID, the Message-ID: is not there, however, 
X-MessageId: is provided in the headers, but does not provide CF with a UID.

I run Xmail Server for my mail server -- so this might be part of the problem? 
I'm going to search their forums as well.
 
Thanks

Joe Velez

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=?iso-8859-1?Q?Re: how can I strip a UK =A3 sign from a u rl variable??=

2007-04-07 Thread stylo stylo
 setLocale(en_GB);
 pounds=lsParseCurrency(url.
currencyVar);

That local it says doesn't exist and gives an error.

I used setLocale(English (UK)) but I still get:

Parameter 1, �6.16, of function LSParseCurrency is  an invalid currency value 
in the current locale. 

Ideas?


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=?iso-8859-1?Q?Re: Re: how can I strip a UK =A3 sign from a u rl variable??=

2007-04-07 Thread Paul Hastings
stylo stylo wrote:
 That local it says doesn't exist and gives an error.

then you're pre-cf7. what version of cf?

 Parameter 1, �6.16, of function LSParseCurrency is  an invalid currency 
 value in the current locale. 

what encoding is the page that produced the url value, the page accepting it, 
etc.? have you tried urlDecode on those url vars?

using cf7, utf-8, that snippet works fine. i can however reproduce your error 
by 
changing the cf page encoding to iso-8859-1 (though the text is still utf-8). 
any public place i can see this url goop?

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