RE: CFHTTP and Caching

2007-12-20 Thread Ian Vaughan
This is the error I am getting below even though weather_xml has been
defined in the application.cfm page

i.e. CFSET APPLICATION.weather_xml =XMLParse(cfhttp.FileContent)

ERROR IS

Element WEATHER_XML is undefined in APPLICATION.


My application.cfm page is


cfset Application.TimeStamp=#TimeFormat(now(), 'hh:mm:ss')#

CFIF (APPLICATION.TimeStamp EQ ) OR (DateDiff(n,
APPLICATION.TimeStamp, TimeFormat(NOW(), hh:mm:s)) GT 20)
CFSET APPLICATION.TimeStamp = CreateTime(TimeFormat(NOW(), hh),
TimeFormat(NOW(), mm), TimeFormat(NOW(), s))

cfhttp url=http://feeds.bbc.co.uk/weather/feeds/rss/5day/id/3314.xml;
method=GET resolveurl=No/cfhttp
CFSET APPLICATION.weather_xml =XMLParse(cfhttp.FileContent)
 
/CFIF


My weather page is


head
/head

body
cfdump var=#application.weather_xml#

cfoutput
img src=#application.weather_xml.rss.channel.image.url.xmlText#
alt=#application.weather_xml.rss.channel.item.DESCRIPTION.xmlText#

cfloop index=x from=1
to=#ArrayLen(application.weather_xml.rss.channel.item)#

br
#replace(application.weather_xml.rss.channel.item[x].title.xmlText, ',',
'br', 'ALL')#
br

/cfloop
/cfoutput


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Re: Calendar

2007-12-20 Thread Richard White
hi thanks very much for these

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RE: dealing with timezones

2007-12-20 Thread Gaulin, Mark
Dealing with time zones was a major PITA a recent project I did.
Eventually I decided to store all dates in UTC and format them as needed
for the current user.  This made it much easier to deal with those
dreaded daylight savings time shifts, when local time jumps around and
offsets just don't cut it. (My project was CF and java, and most of the
database reads were done in java.  This simplified some things for me, I
think.)

So, I'd say you first big decision is whether to store dates in UTC or
not, and if you are serious about trying to make local time feel right
to any user then I'd say UTC is the way to do.  Either way you decide,
you will probably be frustrated at some point by something that should
be easy but isn't.

Thanks
Mark

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From: Mik Muller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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To: CF-Talk
Subject: dealing with timezones

Hey,

So I'm thinking of how to deal with timezones. My server's clock is set
to US west coast time, and I serve many, many sites that are all in
different timezones.  They're all running the same code which subscribes
(in a fashion) to a central application to verify the site's status.

I'm thinking of doing a sr on now() and replacing it with noww(),
which would be a UDF that would create the effective local time for that
site based upon (1) the server local time and (2) the site offset from
that local time.

Any crazy red flags anyone can think of?

Mik




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Dynamic ID's

2007-12-20 Thread Rick Sanders
Hello list,

 

I've done dynamic ID's before in .net and xml. I can't seem to figure out
how to do it in CF. Here's what I want to do:

 

-  Query the database with the ID's.

-  Sort the ID's in proper numerical order

-  Grab the last ID (largest number which will be the last row of
the query)

-  Then, add 1 to the number

 

If someone has a better idea for a unique ID, I'm open to suggestions.

 

Happy Holidays!

 

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USA:   919-799-9076

Canada: www.webenergy.ca

USA:   www.webenergyusa.com

 





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Re: Dynamic ID's

2007-12-20 Thread Claude Schneegans
 If someone has a better idea for a unique ID, I'm open to suggestions.

Well, if the id is for records in a table, how about using an auto 
counter field?

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Re: Dynamic ID's

2007-12-20 Thread Todd
If you need an absolute unique id that isn't tied to a database, feel free
to use the createUUID() function.  Otherwise, what you're asking for can be
done via SQL... so... not sure why this is overcomplicated.  Do you have a
unique situation? care to explain?

On Dec 20, 2007 9:23 AM, Rick Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello list,



 I've done dynamic ID's before in .net and xml. I can't seem to figure out
 how to do it in CF. Here's what I want to do:



 -  Query the database with the ID's.

 -  Sort the ID's in proper numerical order

 -  Grab the last ID (largest number which will be the last row of
 the query)

 -  Then, add 1 to the number



 If someone has a better idea for a unique ID, I'm open to suggestions.



 Happy Holidays!



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 Webenergy

 Canada: 902-401-7689

 USA:   919-799-9076

 Canada: www.webenergy.ca

 USA:   www.webenergyusa.com



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RE: Dynamic ID's

2007-12-20 Thread Robert Harrison
What exactly are you trying to do?


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-Original Message-
From: Rick Sanders [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 9:23 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Dynamic ID's

Hello list,

 

I've done dynamic ID's before in .net and xml. I can't seem to figure out
how to do it in CF. Here's what I want to do:

 

-  Query the database with the ID's.

-  Sort the ID's in proper numerical order

-  Grab the last ID (largest number which will be the last row of
the query)

-  Then, add 1 to the number

 

If someone has a better idea for a unique ID, I'm open to suggestions.

 

Happy Holidays!

 

Rick Sanders

Webenergy

Canada: 902-401-7689

USA:   919-799-9076

Canada: www.webenergy.ca

USA:   www.webenergyusa.com

 







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Re: Dynamic ID's

2007-12-20 Thread Cutter (CFRelated)
Your db platform doesn't support autonumber?

Steve Cutter Blades
Adobe Certified Professional
Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
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Rick Sanders wrote:
 Hello list,
 
  
 
 I've done dynamic ID's before in .net and xml. I can't seem to figure out
 how to do it in CF. Here's what I want to do:
 
  
 
 -  Query the database with the ID's.
 
 -  Sort the ID's in proper numerical order
 
 -  Grab the last ID (largest number which will be the last row of
 the query)
 
 -  Then, add 1 to the number
 
  
 
 If someone has a better idea for a unique ID, I'm open to suggestions.
 
  
 
 Happy Holidays!
 
  
 
 Rick Sanders
 
 Webenergy
 
 Canada: 902-401-7689
 
 USA:   919-799-9076
 
 Canada: www.webenergy.ca
 
 USA:   www.webenergyusa.com
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: Dynamic ID's

2007-12-20 Thread Charles Sheehan-Miles
cfquery  
declare @newid int

select @newid = max(id) from Members
   
if @newid is null
 
 begin

   set @newid=1
   
 end
  
else
  
 begin

   set @[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 end
  

INSERT INTO Members ...
/CFQUERY


On 12/20/07 9:23 AM, Rick Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello list,

 

I've done dynamic ID's before in .net and xml. I can't seem to figure out
how to do it in CF. Here's what I want to do:

 

-  Query the database with the ID's.

-  Sort the ID's in proper numerical order

-  Grab the last ID (largest number which will be the last row of
the query)

-  Then, add 1 to the number

 

If someone has a better idea for a unique ID, I'm open to suggestions.

 

Happy Holidays!

 

Rick Sanders

Webenergy

Canada: 902-401-7689

USA:   919-799-9076

Canada: www.webenergy.ca

USA:   www.webenergyusa.com

 







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RE: Dynamic ID's

2007-12-20 Thread Adkins, Randy
I know of someone who uses a Sequence table for the ID functions:

Sequence table:
table_name (varchar)
last_sequence (int)
next_sequence (int)

Query the table based on table name get the next_sequence and then
update
The sequence table after the insert



-Original Message-
From: Rick Sanders [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 9:23 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Dynamic ID's

Hello list,

 

I've done dynamic ID's before in .net and xml. I can't seem to figure
out
how to do it in CF. Here's what I want to do:

 

-  Query the database with the ID's.

-  Sort the ID's in proper numerical order

-  Grab the last ID (largest number which will be the last row
of
the query)

-  Then, add 1 to the number

 

If someone has a better idea for a unique ID, I'm open to suggestions.

 

Happy Holidays!

 

Rick Sanders

Webenergy

Canada: 902-401-7689

USA:   919-799-9076

Canada: www.webenergy.ca

USA:   www.webenergyusa.com

 







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RE: Dynamic ID's

2007-12-20 Thread Rick Sanders
The database does support autonumber, but this is a legacy app and database.
Also, there are many times where autonumber isn't useful because when you
delete a record, the database re-numbers everything changing the ID which we
didn't want.


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-Original Message-
From: Cutter (CFRelated) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: December-20-07 10:31 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Dynamic ID's

Your db platform doesn't support autonumber?

Steve Cutter Blades
Adobe Certified Professional
Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
_
http://blog.cutterscrossing.com

Rick Sanders wrote:
 Hello list,
 
  
 
 I've done dynamic ID's before in .net and xml. I can't seem to figure out
 how to do it in CF. Here's what I want to do:
 
  
 
 -  Query the database with the ID's.
 
 -  Sort the ID's in proper numerical order
 
 -  Grab the last ID (largest number which will be the last row of
 the query)
 
 -  Then, add 1 to the number
 
  
 
 If someone has a better idea for a unique ID, I'm open to suggestions.
 
  
 
 Happy Holidays!
 
  
 
 Rick Sanders
 
 Webenergy
 
 Canada: 902-401-7689
 
 USA:   919-799-9076
 
 Canada: www.webenergy.ca
 
 USA:   www.webenergyusa.com
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 



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Re: Dynamic ID's

2007-12-20 Thread Mike Kear
I'd let the database create the number.  But anyway,  you can do it like this:

cfquery name=getnumbers datasource=#variables.dsn#
SELECT max(tableID) as Lastnumber from tablename
/cfquery
cfset newID = getNumbers.Lastnumber + 1 /

I have functions where i do this, but generally you'd be best to let
the databaes do it for you.

Cheers
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Windsor, NSW, Australia
Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
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On 12/21/07, Cutter (CFRelated) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Your db platform doesn't support autonumber?

 Steve Cutter Blades
 Adobe Certified Professional
 Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
 _
 http://blog.cutterscrossing.com

 Rick Sanders wrote:
  Hello list,
 
 
 
  I've done dynamic ID's before in .net and xml. I can't seem to figure out
  how to do it in CF. Here's what I want to do:
 
 
 
  -  Query the database with the ID's.
 
  -  Sort the ID's in proper numerical order
 
  -  Grab the last ID (largest number which will be the last row of
  the query)
 
  -  Then, add 1 to the number
 
 
 
  If someone has a better idea for a unique ID, I'm open to suggestions.
 
 
 
  Happy Holidays!
 
 
 
  Rick Sanders
 
  Webenergy
 
  Canada: 902-401-7689
 
  USA:   919-799-9076
 
  Canada: www.webenergy.ca
 
  USA:   www.webenergyusa.com
 

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Re: Dynamic ID's

2007-12-20 Thread JediHomer
How about an Identity field (in MS SQL)

Or alternatively CreateUUID() ?


On 20/12/2007, Rick Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello list,



 I've done dynamic ID's before in .net and xml. I can't seem to figure out
 how to do it in CF. Here's what I want to do:



 -  Query the database with the ID's.

 -  Sort the ID's in proper numerical order

 -  Grab the last ID (largest number which will be the last row of
 the query)

 -  Then, add 1 to the number



 If someone has a better idea for a unique ID, I'm open to suggestions.



 Happy Holidays!



 Rick Sanders

 Webenergy

 Canada: 902-401-7689

 USA:   919-799-9076

 Canada: www.webenergy.ca

 USA:   www.webenergyusa.com







 

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RE: Dynamic ID's

2007-12-20 Thread Rick Sanders
Hey guys,

Yup, this is a unique situation, it's a new application on top of an old
database built in Pervasive SQL. The Primary key holds ID numbers that
aren't auto generated.

The legacy app that sat on top of it was Tango 2000, and the way the ID was
done was by querying the database, sorting the ID's in the resultset in
numeric order, grabbing the last ID number and adding 1 to it. This actually
worked very well.

Kind regards,

Rick Sanders
Webenergy
Canada: 902-401-7689
USA:   919-799-9076
Canada: www.webenergy.ca
USA:   www.webenergyusa.com

-Original Message-
From: Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: December-20-07 10:31 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Dynamic ID's

If you need an absolute unique id that isn't tied to a database, feel free
to use the createUUID() function.  Otherwise, what you're asking for can be
done via SQL... so... not sure why this is overcomplicated.  Do you have a
unique situation? care to explain?

On Dec 20, 2007 9:23 AM, Rick Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello list,



 I've done dynamic ID's before in .net and xml. I can't seem to figure out
 how to do it in CF. Here's what I want to do:



 -  Query the database with the ID's.

 -  Sort the ID's in proper numerical order

 -  Grab the last ID (largest number which will be the last row of
 the query)

 -  Then, add 1 to the number



 If someone has a better idea for a unique ID, I'm open to suggestions.



 Happy Holidays!



 Rick Sanders

 Webenergy

 Canada: 902-401-7689

 USA:   919-799-9076

 Canada: www.webenergy.ca

 USA:   www.webenergyusa.com





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Re: Dynamic ID's

2007-12-20 Thread Dominic Watson
Or, if you really need to do it the way you describe, the SQL could look
like this:

-- SELECT A NEW ID
SELECT Max(idField) + 1 FROM myTable

But yeh, if you can set an auto id in the db I'd go with that.

Dominic

On 20/12/2007, JediHomer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 How about an Identity field (in MS SQL)

 Or alternatively CreateUUID() ?


 On 20/12/2007, Rick Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hello list,
 
 
 
  I've done dynamic ID's before in .net and xml. I can't seem to figure
 out
  how to do it in CF. Here's what I want to do:
 
 
 
  -  Query the database with the ID's.
 
  -  Sort the ID's in proper numerical order
 
  -  Grab the last ID (largest number which will be the last row
 of
  the query)
 
  -  Then, add 1 to the number
 
 
 
  If someone has a better idea for a unique ID, I'm open to suggestions.
 
 
 
  Happy Holidays!
 
 
 
  Rick Sanders
 
  Webenergy
 
  Canada: 902-401-7689
 
  USA:   919-799-9076
 
  Canada: www.webenergy.ca
 
  USA:   www.webenergyusa.com
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

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Re: memory issues

2007-12-20 Thread Chris Norloff
CFFILE reads the entire file into memory before acting on it. Even appending to 
the file requires it be read into memory first. That's where your memory usage 
is likely coming from -- though not sure why it's not being freed in a timely 
manner.

Chris


On Dec 17, 2007, at 7:58 PM, Jonathon Stierman [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:

 An application of mine has recently been acting up -- memory has been
 shooting up at a fairly rapid pace this past week, and I'm at my  
 wits end!
 Can't seem to find any way to fix it.  Here's the symptoms:

 After rebooting the CF service, memory starts out at about 60mb for  
 the
 jrun.exe process.  After that all hell breaks loose ;)  It continues  
 to
 consume about 4 megs a minute until it plateau's at about 590mb.  At  
 that
 point, the server starts delivering 500 null errors, and my
 application/exception.log files fill up with  
 java.lang.OutOfMemoryError
 messages.
...each one has to read a text file that is between  
 200k and
 5 megs, and that seems to correlate with the memory jumps -- but why
 wouldn't that memory be released after the request is complete?  It  
 just
 keeps piling up.

 Is this to be expected from high volumes of file-reading/parsing  
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RE: cfquery order by question

2007-12-20 Thread Dave
You need to set the sortORD for the remaining values to greater than the
last important item for that query.  If you had 3 item that were important,
you would need to set the sortORD to 4 for the rest of the items, that would
allow the secondary sort to actually sort. 

 -Original Message-
 From: Les Mizzell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 12:44 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: cfquery order by question
 
 i have an adin form that allows a client to specify the sort 
 order of a returned collection of results. Easy enough, but 
 I've run into a slight snag...
 
 Here's the basic query...
 
 cfquery name=sortCARDS
   Select name, amount, date
   FROM COLLECTIONS
   WHERE collection_id = '#url.colID#'
   ORDER BY sortORD ASC
   cfif IsDefined(getPAGE.sortMETH) AND #getPAGE.sortMETH# NEQ 
   ,#getPAGE.sortMETH#
   /cfif
 /cfquery
 
 
 #getPAGE.sortMETH# allows you to sort by name, amount, or 
 date - ascending or descending - if you define that.
 
 sortORD is a field in the table itself where you can 
 specify a specific order outside the sortMETH above by 
 putting in 1, 2, 3 
 
 OK, the problem:
 1. let's say there's 15 returned records 2. I've entered 
 name asc as my sortMETH
 3. I've got three specific records I want FIRST, outside the 
 alpha sort, so I enter 1, 2, 3 in the sortORD fields too.
 
 It will sort by sortORD like it's supposed to, but it 
 returns those LAST in the recordset after the alpha sort.
 
 If I don't define a sortMETH - it will place all records 
 with NO sortORD *first*, THEN the ones with sortORD defined.
 
 How do I get my numberic sort fields to take priority and 
 come up first without maybe having TWO queries defined and 
 two output blocks?
 
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Re: Dynamic ID's

2007-12-20 Thread Claude Schneegans
 The database does support autonumber,

What database is it?

 there are many times where autonumber isn't useful because when you
delete a record, the database re-numbers everything

Really? I've never seen such a database that re-numbers auto numbers.

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OT: SQL Full-Text Searching

2007-12-20 Thread Dustin M. Snell
CF8 and MS SQL 2000

 

I would like to implement Google-esque searching on our Intranet against our
database. 

 

To do this I enabled Full-Text on the table I want to search (customers) and
use a query like this:

SELECT * FROM Customer where CONTAINS (*, '  search  ')

 

This works somewhat but one problem I am having is that:

 

John Doe will not locate a record where firstname=John and lastname=Doe.  It
does find [EMAIL PROTECTED] however.  Both behaviors I find odd. Does
anyone know either how to correct the inability to find that record or a
better way of doing this all together?

 

BTW, we will be upgrading to MS SQL 2008 in a few months, maybe that has
some built in capability that will make this easy?



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CFGRID in CFWINDOW behind CFLAYOUT

2007-12-20 Thread Chad Baloga
Has anyone had problems using cflayout/cfwindow/cfgrid together?  Everything 
loads fine, but I have a cfgrid in a cfwindow off of a page using cflayout.  
When you drag the window up into the browser, the cfgrid in the popup gets 
hidden behind the cflayout.  It will work if you use html format for the cfgrid 
but makes it clunky, especially when you are querying a table with thousands of 
records in the cfgrid.
Any ideas??

Thanks,
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RE: CFGRID in CFWINDOW behind CFLAYOUT

2007-12-20 Thread Dustin M. Snell
I have this trouble with any flash object. The flash object always stays in
front of my CFWINDOW. Are you using a flash grid? 

-Original Message-
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To: CF-Talk
Subject: CFGRID in CFWINDOW behind CFLAYOUT

Has anyone had problems using cflayout/cfwindow/cfgrid together?  Everything
loads fine, but I have a cfgrid in a cfwindow off of a page using cflayout.
When you drag the window up into the browser, the cfgrid in the popup gets
hidden behind the cflayout.  It will work if you use html format for the
cfgrid but makes it clunky, especially when you are querying a table with
thousands of records in the cfgrid.
Any ideas??

Thanks,
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Best way to do this...

2007-12-20 Thread Lori Stone
Here is the situation:
There is a conference in March.  The customer wants to have an application 
where when the registrants come in they can immediately print out their 
information, tickets to events (maybe up to 5 events at the most) and their ID 
tag (name and logo)  First of all we need to have a printer that can handle a 
huge load (most likely 3,000 registrants a night) and of course the logos have 
to be in color (ugh!) We are trying to figure out the best way to have the 
layout.  I have never done a conference like this before.  If anyone has and 
has any advice for me that would be great.  I am sure more information is 
needed but I wanted to get the general idea of what I was looking for.  Thanks 
in advance for any advice/recommendations.

Lori 

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Re: CFGRID in CFWINDOW behind CFLAYOUT

2007-12-20 Thread Chad Baloga
In my case, the flash formatted cfgrid which is in a popup cfwindow, goes 
behind the cflayout on the main browser window when dragged around 

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Re: Dynamic ID's

2007-12-20 Thread Dominic Watson

 Yup, this is a unique situation, it's a new application on top of an old
 database built in Pervasive SQL. The Primary key holds ID numbers that
 aren't auto generated.


I think I see the situation and you're approach is valid but long winded ;).
You can insert a record with a new ID with one SQL statement (and select the
ID, should you need it, with another). Lets say your table has two columns,
ID(int) and Title(varchar 50):

cfquery name=qry_newThing datasource=#request.dsn#
INSERT INTO thing (ID,Title)
SELECT Max(ID) + 1, cfqueryparam cfsqltype=cf_sql_varchar
value=#newTitle# maxlength=50
FROM thing

 !--- then select the id for reference if you like ---
   SELECT Max(ID) as ID FROM thing
/cfquery

!--- redundant line of code but you get the point: ---
cfset myNewThingID = qry_newThing.ID

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RE: SQL Full-Text Searching

2007-12-20 Thread Gaulin, Mark
I think it indexes individual columns only, and treats them as separate
fields... It does not combine column1 with column2, so firstname=john,
lastname=doe will not match john doe, but [EMAIL PROTECTED] will
match.  Apparently (with SQL 2000 anyway) you cannot index computed
columns (first name + last name) so you may be stuck unless you create a
real column with both fields combined (or a row in a different table
where all of the fields are combined).

I have read that SQL 2008 will have a different interface to full text
searching (at least, for defining full text indexes) but I don't know if
the capabilities will be different.  

Thanks
Mark

-Original Message-
From: Dustin M. Snell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 10:10 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: SQL Full-Text Searching

CF8 and MS SQL 2000

 

I would like to implement Google-esque searching on our Intranet against
our database. 

 

To do this I enabled Full-Text on the table I want to search (customers)
and use a query like this:

SELECT * FROM Customer where CONTAINS (*, '  search  ')

 

This works somewhat but one problem I am having is that:

 

John Doe will not locate a record where firstname=John and lastname=Doe.
It does find [EMAIL PROTECTED] however.  Both behaviors I find odd.
Does anyone know either how to correct the inability to find that record
or a better way of doing this all together?

 

BTW, we will be upgrading to MS SQL 2008 in a few months, maybe that has
some built in capability that will make this easy?





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Re: dealing with timezones

2007-12-20 Thread Aaron Rouse
True, but willing to take the risk.

I actually just had one of our systems adjusted for timezone differences and
need to see how he went about it.  I know he used the Oracle TZ table and
some pointers or data from that table stored in one of the applications
tables so that queries could then adjust the time as needed.

As a rule we do not use CF(or the Java it is running on) for TZ
adjustments.  We already have time problems with our CF7 boxes because the
JVM that adjusts for the TZ changes in the past 1-2 years conflicts with our
LDAPS cert which forces us to run on an older JVM.

On Dec 19, 2007 9:07 PM, Paul Hastings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Aaron Rouse wrote:
  Another problem might be if time zone rules change for one area vs
 another,
  didn't this happen recently(past year or so) stateside?  We store the
 time

 it happens *all* the time someplace in the world. see:


 http://www.sustainablegis.com/blog/cfg11n/index.cfm?mode=entryentry=A2FD1153-20ED-7DEE-2AF4254F9675C7B9

 http://www.sustainablegis.com/blog/cfg11n/index.cfm?mode=entryentry=1D291D83-20ED-7DEE-2AF9BB636B9B253C

 http://www.sustainablegis.com/blog/cfg11n/index.cfm?mode=entryentry=F7FB9896-20ED-7DEE-2A48EE57400DFEDD

  in GMT and store the offsite needed for the location the users are at.

 that's a good idea but depending on the tz you need to cast to you could
 end up
 in timezone hell:


 http://www.sustainablegis.com/blog/cfg11n/index.cfm?mode=entryentry=77223B6A-20ED-7DEE-2AB7FBB1F37ABD77

 

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RE: Dynamic ID's

2007-12-20 Thread Mark Kruger
Beware of doing it this way... You will need cftransaction or some other
way of ensuring that the ID is unique. Consider the situation where 2
inserts from 2 different people are happening nearly simultaneously. The
second request for the max(ID) could occur before the first is inserted

-mark

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From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 8:47 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Dynamic ID's

I'd let the database create the number.  But anyway,  you can do it like
this:

cfquery name=getnumbers datasource=#variables.dsn# SELECT max(tableID)
as Lastnumber from tablename /cfquery cfset newID = getNumbers.Lastnumber
+ 1 /

I have functions where i do this, but generally you'd be best to let the
databaes do it for you.

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On 12/21/07, Cutter (CFRelated) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Your db platform doesn't support autonumber?

 Steve Cutter Blades
 Adobe Certified Professional
 Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer 
 _ http://blog.cutterscrossing.com

 Rick Sanders wrote:
  Hello list,
 
 
 
  I've done dynamic ID's before in .net and xml. I can't seem to 
  figure out how to do it in CF. Here's what I want to do:
 
 
 
  -  Query the database with the ID's.
 
  -  Sort the ID's in proper numerical order
 
  -  Grab the last ID (largest number which will be the last row
of
  the query)
 
  -  Then, add 1 to the number
 
 
 
  If someone has a better idea for a unique ID, I'm open to suggestions.
 
 
 
  Happy Holidays!
 
 
 
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  Webenergy
 
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  USA:   919-799-9076
 
  Canada: www.webenergy.ca
 
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Re: dealing with timezones

2007-12-20 Thread Paul Hastings
Gaulin, Mark wrote:
 dreaded daylight savings time shifts, when local time jumps around and
 offsets just don't cut it. (My project was CF and java, and most of the

why would using offsets not work w/DST changes? if your server's tz isn't UTC 
then storing datetimes as epoch offsets is probably the best choice.

 database reads were done in java.  This simplified some things for me, I
 think.)

cf doesn't know anything about timezones, it uses the server's. if you cast 
your 
datetimes to UTC  the server tz isn't UTC  it implements DST then for 
datetimes on the cusp of DST those datetimes will *always* be wrong.


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RE: JREE Servers (was Session Management - sticky sessions)

2007-12-20 Thread Brad Wood
Interesting.

Updater 7, huh?  Isn't it about time for JRun 5?  :)

~Brad

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To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: JREE Servers (was Session Management - sticky sessions)

But wait!  Adobe just released updater 7 for JRun 4.  It's supposed to
have vastly improved on the clustering interfacing by reducing a bunch
of the overhead.  I'm slated to test this on my shared servers for this
coming year.


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RE: Dynamic ID's

2007-12-20 Thread Mark Kruger
Rick,

Autonumber doesn't re-number existing ids (does it??) ... Although it does
mean that the numbers are not tightly sequential (there will be gaps).

-mark

-Original Message-
From: Rick Sanders [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 8:47 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Dynamic ID's

The database does support autonumber, but this is a legacy app and database.
Also, there are many times where autonumber isn't useful because when you
delete a record, the database re-numbers everything changing the ID which we
didn't want.


Rick Sanders
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USA:   919-799-9076
Canada: www.webenergy.ca
USA:   www.webenergyusa.com


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From: Cutter (CFRelated) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: December-20-07 10:31 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Dynamic ID's

Your db platform doesn't support autonumber?

Steve Cutter Blades
Adobe Certified Professional
Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer _
http://blog.cutterscrossing.com

Rick Sanders wrote:
 Hello list,
 
  
 
 I've done dynamic ID's before in .net and xml. I can't seem to figure 
 out how to do it in CF. Here's what I want to do:
 
  
 
 -  Query the database with the ID's.
 
 -  Sort the ID's in proper numerical order
 
 -  Grab the last ID (largest number which will be the last row of
 the query)
 
 -  Then, add 1 to the number
 
  
 
 If someone has a better idea for a unique ID, I'm open to suggestions.
 
  
 
 Happy Holidays!
 
  
 
 Rick Sanders
 
 Webenergy
 
 Canada: 902-401-7689
 
 USA:   919-799-9076
 
 Canada: www.webenergy.ca
 
 USA:   www.webenergyusa.com
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 





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pop an alert when trying to leave a page

2007-12-20 Thread Chad Gray
I would like to have a user fill out a form.  

So say they start filling it out and decided they want to leave with out 
submitting the form.

Is there any way to pop a javascript alert saying something like please fill 
out the form or call this phone number??




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Re: Calendar

2007-12-20 Thread Cutter (CFRelated)
http://calendar.viviotech.net/

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Rob Parkhill wrote:
 Richard,
 
 http://www.cfkalendar.com/
 
 or
 
 http://calendarinfusion.riaforge.org/
 
 are two that I found.  Can't say that I have used either of them, but you
 can look into them.
 
 Rob
 
 
 

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Re: pop an alert when trying to leave a page

2007-12-20 Thread Charlie Griefer
pop up an alert on the onunload event if the form isn't filled out properly?

http://www.w3schools.com/jsref/jsref_onunload.asp


On Dec 20, 2007 9:19 AM, Chad Gray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I would like to have a user fill out a form.

 So say they start filling it out and decided they want to leave with out 
 submitting the form.

 Is there any way to pop a javascript alert saying something like please fill 
 out the form or call this phone number??




 

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Re: dealing with timezones

2007-12-20 Thread Paul Hastings
Aaron Rouse wrote:
 True, but willing to take the risk.

if cf touches any of your datetimes along the way, then you've fallen into tz 
hell. if your servers are in tz that implement DST scan your cf touched UTC 
datetimes  you won't find *any* on the cusp of DST, they were all rolled into 
DST. it won't matter that you're converting to UTC, cf doesn't know about any 
tz 
except the server's.

 I actually just had one of our systems adjusted for timezone differences and
 need to see how he went about it.  I know he used the Oracle TZ table and

whether that's a good idea depends on what tz you need  whether oracle is on 
top of things.

 As a rule we do not use CF(or the Java it is running on) for TZ
 adjustments.  We already have time problems with our CF7 boxes because the

core java  icu4j (ibm) are usually on top of this sort of stuff. java/i18n 
folks are are very picky about tz, fist fights often break out ;-)

 JVM that adjusts for the TZ changes in the past 1-2 years conflicts with our
 LDAPS cert which forces us to run on an older JVM.

um, i'd try to fix that ;-)

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Re: dealing with timezones

2007-12-20 Thread Aaron Rouse
Trust me, the JVM issue has had a lot of man hours invested in trying to fix
it and the only solution found was to go to CF8 and that was just more fuel
to the people pushing to trashcan CF completely and go to .NET  Actually in
all reality I do not see us needing to worry about it much since I believe
any of our apps that need to worry about this will end up getting retired in
less than a years time as Exchange, SharePoint and a whole slew of other MS
products are pushed out and CF is trashcanned as quickly as the IT
Architects can make it happen.

All CF does is display a character from the database, it has no clue that
the character is a date/time within that string.

CF does collect a time in the form of HH:MI DD-MMM- but it never
considers anything in regards to TZ's because really the application does
not care about that at all. all of the business logic around the TZ's is
done in the database.  The database sees what physical location is dealing
with a record insert/update and the database looks at its mapping between a
physical location and its TZ system tables and then it deals with any
manipulation/calculations that need to be done from there.

Since Oracle runs on top of Java, I'd imagine they too are on top of
things.  The nice thing about us relying on Oracle and not CF is we know CF
has issues due to conflicts outside of its control, the Oracle boxes have
yet to present a problem and if they did I have far greater confidence in
the people administering those boxes vs the whoever the contractor is this
week for the CF boxes.

On Dec 20, 2007 11:36 AM, Paul Hastings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Aaron Rouse wrote:
  True, but willing to take the risk.

 if cf touches any of your datetimes along the way, then you've fallen into
 tz
 hell. if your servers are in tz that implement DST scan your cf touched
 UTC
 datetimes  you won't find *any* on the cusp of DST, they were all rolled
 into
 DST. it won't matter that you're converting to UTC, cf doesn't know about
 any tz
 except the server's.

  I actually just had one of our systems adjusted for timezone differences
 and
  need to see how he went about it.  I know he used the Oracle TZ table
 and

 whether that's a good idea depends on what tz you need  whether oracle is
 on
 top of things.

  As a rule we do not use CF(or the Java it is running on) for TZ
  adjustments.  We already have time problems with our CF7 boxes because
 the

 core java  icu4j (ibm) are usually on top of this sort of stuff.
 java/i18n
 folks are are very picky about tz, fist fights often break out ;-)

  JVM that adjusts for the TZ changes in the past 1-2 years conflicts with
 our
  LDAPS cert which forces us to run on an older JVM.

 um, i'd try to fix that ;-)

 

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Re: Dynamic ID's

2007-12-20 Thread Dominic Watson

 Beware of doing it this way... You will need cftransaction or some other
 way of ensuring that the ID is unique. Consider the situation where 2
 inserts from 2 different people are happening nearly simultaneously. The
 second request for the max(ID) could occur before the first is
 inserted



Is that definately true with the select insert as I exampled? I imagine (but
that is all I do, quite willing to be wrong) that the single SQL statement
must complete before another is allowed to run..? I.e. I imagine that this
SQL will not run into the problem you describe:

INSERT INTO myTable (id, title)
SELECT Max(id) + 1, 'Some title'
FROM myTable

Cheers,

Dominic


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Another RegEx question...

2007-12-20 Thread Che Vilnonis
In a sea of data, I need to pull the first image tag. It looks like this...
img
src=http://images.craigslist.org/01010001150701030720071219cd6f3ea36b5b712d
2f00d0d9.jpg

I am using...
cfset imageLink = REReplaceNoCase(cfhttp.fileContent,
img[^]+([a-z0-9_]\.(?:jpg|jpeg|gif|png))[^]*, , ONE)

But it does not work. Can anyone help? Thanks, Che


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Re: Another RegEx question...

2007-12-20 Thread Todd
listLast(URL,'/') ?  You're just complicating something simple with Regex
here in this case.

On Dec 20, 2007 2:55 PM, Che Vilnonis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In a sea of data, I need to pull the first image tag. It looks like
 this...
 img
 src=
 http://images.craigslist.org/01010001150701030720071219cd6f3ea36b5b712d
 2f00d0d9.jpg

 I am using...
 cfset imageLink = REReplaceNoCase(cfhttp.fileContent,
 img[^]+([a-z0-9_]\.(?:jpg|jpeg|gif|png))[^]*, , ONE)

 But it does not work. Can anyone help? Thanks, Che




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RE: Another RegEx question...

2007-12-20 Thread Che Vilnonis
Todd, not sure that that would work. If you look at my code, I am cfhttp-ing
a page and searching for the first image tag. I simply gave an example of
the format of the img src in the returned HTML. RegEx would be best for
that, right? 

-Original Message-
From: Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 2:58 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Another RegEx question...

listLast(URL,'/') ?  You're just complicating something simple with Regex
here in this case.

On Dec 20, 2007 2:55 PM, Che Vilnonis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In a sea of data, I need to pull the first image tag. It looks like 
 this...
 img
 src=
 http://images.craigslist.org/01010001150701030720071219cd6f3ea36b5b712
 d
 2f00d0d9.jpg

 I am using...
 cfset imageLink = REReplaceNoCase(cfhttp.fileContent,
 img[^]+([a-z0-9_]\.(?:jpg|jpeg|gif|png))[^]*, , ONE)

 But it does not work. Can anyone help? Thanks, Che






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Re: Another RegEx question...

2007-12-20 Thread Ben Doom
The first thing I see is that you are only allowing for single-character 
names.  You don't have a + or * (+ would be better) after [a-z0-9_]. 
There may be more, but that's what I see at first glance.

--Ben Doom


Che Vilnonis wrote:
 In a sea of data, I need to pull the first image tag. It looks like this...
 img
 src=http://images.craigslist.org/01010001150701030720071219cd6f3ea36b5b712d
 2f00d0d9.jpg
 
 I am using...
 cfset imageLink = REReplaceNoCase(cfhttp.fileContent,
 img[^]+(\.(?:jpg|jpeg|gif|png))[^]*, , ONE)
 
 But it does not work. Can anyone help? Thanks, Che
 
 
 

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Re: JREE Servers (was Session Management - sticky sessions)

2007-12-20 Thread Matthew Williams
Interesting.

Updater 7, huh?  Isn't it about time for JRun 5?  :)

~Brad

You'd think.  However, JRun is dead as an independent platform.  From hence 
force forward, no new updates unless CF requires it.  Not many care, however ;).

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Re: Another RegEx question...

2007-12-20 Thread Josh Nathanson
I think you need ReFindNoCase, otherwise it will return empty string.

-- Josh

- Original Message - 
From: Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: Another RegEx question...


 listLast(URL,'/') ?  You're just complicating something simple with Regex
 here in this case.

 On Dec 20, 2007 2:55 PM, Che Vilnonis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In a sea of data, I need to pull the first image tag. It looks like
 this...
 img
 src=
 http://images.craigslist.org/01010001150701030720071219cd6f3ea36b5b712d
 2f00d0d9.jpg

 I am using...
 cfset imageLink = REReplaceNoCase(cfhttp.fileContent,
 img[^]+([a-z0-9_]\.(?:jpg|jpeg|gif|png))[^]*, , ONE)

 But it does not work. Can anyone help? Thanks, Che




 

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RE: JREE Servers (was Session Management - sticky sessions)

2007-12-20 Thread Brad Wood
 You'd think.  However, JRun is dead as an independent platform.  From 
 hence force forward, no new updates unless CF requires it.  Not many
care,   however ;).

I see.
There never seems to be an over-abundance of people on the list willing
to answer questions about JRun, let along other J2EE servers.  Maybe
that is because most people are using single-instance installs and don't
know/care about the man behind the Java curtain.

Can I get a show of hands (off-list probably) from people out there
using any JRE other than JRUN?  Sometimes I think Dave W, Sean, and
Jochem are the only people with experience in that realm.  (And their
help is always much 
appreciated!)  Heck, raise your hand if you use JRun in Multi-Server
mode too.

One thing I don't want to do is move to another J2EE platform because it
think it has more features and then find myself all alone.  :)

Thanks.

~Brad


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Re: Another RegEx question...

2007-12-20 Thread Claude Schneegans
 I am cfhttp-ing a page and searching for the first image tag.

This is a job for CF_REextract :
http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/REextract/testREextract.cfm

You can even test it on line :
1) set INPUTMODE = to http
2) go to 
http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/REextract/testingREextract.cfm
3) enter src= in RE1
4) enter  in RE2
5) set EXTRACT = to first
6) enter the address of your page in the URL field
click on Test, ... et voilà !

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RE: Another RegEx question...

2007-12-20 Thread Che Vilnonis
Claude, that brings back the javascript script tag. Neat custom tag, I just
want the RegEx though.

-Original Message-
From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 3:36 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Another RegEx question...

 I am cfhttp-ing a page and searching for the first image tag.

This is a job for CF_REextract :
http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/REextract/testREextract.cfm

You can even test it on line :
1) set INPUTMODE = to http
2) go to
http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/REextract/testingREextract.cfm
3) enter src= in RE1
4) enter  in RE2
5) set EXTRACT = to first
6) enter the address of your page in the URL field click on Test, ... et
voilà !

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Re: COM Object Method Not Found (Cybersource)

2007-12-20 Thread Tom P
For anyone still reading this thread, I downloaded the java API from 
cybersource's site, extracted it and there is a coldfusion folder in there.  If 
you view the readme file it has a section about configuring coldfusion and what 
class paths to add to the java.config file.  I couldn't get CF to restart when 
manually modifying the java.config file like it instructed so I instead entered 
the class paths into the CF Administrator (Java and JVM page) and then I could 
restart CF.  Then you just go through the steps of generating your key, putting 
that into the keys directory, enter your merchantID into the cybs.properties 
file and put the dir path to your key file and your done.  Works beautifully 
and saved me tons of time.  Tech support said that they just implemented the 
coldfusion piece so thats why it is no where to be found in their documentation 
or site.

Any resolution on this? I am trying to connect ColdFusion to Cybersource.

http://www.fusiontap.com 

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Re: COM Object Method Not Found (Cybersource)

2007-12-20 Thread Tom P
For anyone still reading this thread, I downloaded the java API from 
cybersource's site, extracted it and there is a coldfusion folder in there.  If 
you view the readme file it has a section about configuring coldfusion and what 
class paths to add to the java.config file.  I couldn't get CF to restart when 
manually modifying the java.config file like it instructed so I instead entered 
the class paths into the CF Administrator (Java and JVM page) and then I could 
restart CF.  Then you just go through the steps of generating your key, putting 
that into the keys directory, enter your merchantID into the cybs.properties 
file and put the dir path to your key file and your done.  Works beautifully 
and saved me tons of time.  Tech support said that they just implemented the 
coldfusion piece so thats why it is no where to be found in their documentation 
or site.


Any resolution on this? I am trying to connect ColdFusion to Cybersource.

Joe,



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RE: JREE Servers (was Session Management - sticky sessions)

2007-12-20 Thread Rich
+1 for Mutli-Instance on JRun 


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RE: Dynamic ID's

2007-12-20 Thread Mark Kruger
Dominic,

Not really... Databases do a lot of things concurrently. The statement below
should be safe, but locking, and other issues on a very busy database
could cause deadlocks if 2 simultaneous processes are trying to update the
same row.

Having said that, I suspect that the identity or autonumber field is
doing something quite similar to this under the hood. Perhaps Jochem or one
of the other super SQL guru's could tell us more :)

-Mark


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From: Dominic Watson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 1:37 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Dynamic ID's


 Beware of doing it this way... You will need cftransaction or some 
 other way of ensuring that the ID is unique. Consider the situation 
 where 2 inserts from 2 different people are happening nearly 
 simultaneously. The second request for the max(ID) could occur before 
 the first is inserted



Is that definately true with the select insert as I exampled? I imagine (but
that is all I do, quite willing to be wrong) that the single SQL statement
must complete before another is allowed to run..? I.e. I imagine that this
SQL will not run into the problem you describe:

INSERT INTO myTable (id, title)
SELECT Max(id) + 1, 'Some title'
FROM myTable

Cheers,

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Re: JREE Servers (was Session Management - sticky sessions)

2007-12-20 Thread Matthew Williams
+1 for Mutli-Instance on JRun

Here as well.  Also running clustering.

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Re: Another RegEx question...

2007-12-20 Thread Claude Schneegans
 Claude, that brings back the javascript script tag

Ah ok, then you have to include the img tag in the RE1 expression.

 I just want the RegEx though.

I wrote this tag because it is sometimes much easier to find what's 
between two very simple expressions
than to describe what you want in only one more complicated expression,
and I was tired of designing complex expressions.

So now, do not count on me to do it for others ;-)

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getAdminHash was not found

2007-12-20 Thread Mark Holm
I got this error when I used the administrator to clear the cache.
This is on the server at work which was a clean install (ver 7.0.2)

The cferror information is as follows:
Diagnostics: The selected method getAdminHash was not found. Either there are 
no methods with the specified method name and argument types, or the method 
getAdminHash is overloaded with arguments types that ColdFusion can't decipher 
reliably. If this is a Java object and you verified that the method exists, you 
may need to use the javacast function to reduce ambiguity. 
The error occurred on line 263.
Template:/CFIDE/administrator/index.cfm

Any idea of what causes this? BTW I did not set up the server so I don't have 
all details on particulars.. but it is running on a virtual box..

I have tried to recreate it in my dev machine at work and at home but have not 
been able so hard to track down the cause.

Any ideas?

TIA
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Re: JREE Servers (was Session Management - sticky sessions)

2007-12-20 Thread Adam Haskell
We use clustered CF servers, most sitting behind F5 switches. We do sticky
sessions with Jboss and WebSphere and have session replication with
WebSphere. Not being an admin I like jboss as websphere is not easy to admin
for a non admin type, its also expensive and heavy. You might note though
that as far as I recall Jboss is only offically supported in non-cluster, if
I recall this is more due to a lack of testing rather than a statement that
it doesn't work.

In Feburary we are migrating all our servers to WebSphere, mainly for a cost
advantage over Red Hat's support price hike on Jboss. I'm still a huge Jboss
fan as Websphere does not supply a good development environment, unless you
use WASD ($$ and bloated). The community edition of Websphere is completely
different technology so do not think you can deploy to that locally and have
the same results in production. For CF development I wouldn't expect it to
be an issue but if you are doing Java development as well the Websphere
Community edition is no good, for now you are just as well of developing on
Jboss.

If anyone ever has questions about CF on Websphere or Jboss I'm always happy
to help, I'm a big fan of developing on jboss + CF.

Adam Haskell


On Dec 20, 2007 3:26 PM, Brad Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  You'd think.  However, JRun is dead as an independent platform.  From
  hence force forward, no new updates unless CF requires it.  Not many
 care,   however ;).

 I see.
 There never seems to be an over-abundance of people on the list willing
 to answer questions about JRun, let along other J2EE servers.  Maybe
 that is because most people are using single-instance installs and don't
 know/care about the man behind the Java curtain.

 Can I get a show of hands (off-list probably) from people out there
 using any JRE other than JRUN?  Sometimes I think Dave W, Sean, and
 Jochem are the only people with experience in that realm.  (And their
 help is always much
 appreciated!)  Heck, raise your hand if you use JRun in Multi-Server
 mode too.

 One thing I don't want to do is move to another J2EE platform because it
 think it has more features and then find myself all alone.  :)

 Thanks.

 ~Brad


 

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Re: Session Management - sticky sessions

2007-12-20 Thread Adam Haskell
I'm not a sys admin so I might be off here but couldn't you get around this
with a switch that ensures requests coming off a certain server gets routed
properly?

Adam Haskell


On Dec 19, 2007 6:18 PM, Jochem van Dieten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sean Corfield wrote:
  The issue here is that if you do not have sticky session, you have to
  be able to manage sessions that move between servers at will. That
  means that either:
  1) you use client scope instead of session scope (with all the
  attendant restrictions)
  2) you write your own session management based on cookies
  3) you rely on session replication (and, if you're not on CF8, make
  sure you don't put CFCs in session scope - and if you are on CF8, make
  sure you don't put arrays in the CFCs that are in session scope - and
  whatever other restrictions there are)

 No queries either.

 4. You do not use cfimage, cfpresentation, and other tags that rely on 2
 subsequent requests to be directed to the same instance.

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Re: Dynamic ID's

2007-12-20 Thread s. isaac dealey
 cfquery  
 declare @newid int
 
 select @newid = max(id) from Members

 if @newid is null

Oddly enough that's actually more complicated than is necessary if
you're using SQL Server -- i.e. 

insert into members (memberid,x,y,z) 
values (
(select 1+isnull(max(memberid),0) from members),
valx,
valy,
valz
)

I'm pretty certain that (or some variation) works for SQL Server...
which of course is totally unnecessary on SQL Server if you're using
identity columns. :) But then Rick replied later to say that he's not
using an identity/autonumber capable database with his legacy app...
although if the db has some equivalent of isnull() then the above might
work out fairly well. In failing that, this should work: 

cftransaction isolation=serializable
cfquery name=next datasource=blah
  select max(memberid) from members 
/cfquery
cfquery datasource=blah
  insert into members (memberid,x,y,z)
  values (
  cfqueryparam value=#next.memberid+1# cfsqltype=integer /,
  xval,
  yval,
  zval
  )
/cfquery
/cftransaction

The serializable transaction is important to ensure that there's not a
race condition between when the max is retrieved and when it's inserted
into the table. However I will say one other thing about this. There's
another race-condition-esque problem with this strategy that may crop
up. If a user deletes the record which is currently last in the database,
then the next record that gets inserted will have the same id as the
deleted record, which may be confusing if someone has bookmarked a page
with that id in the url and/or may cause some data related to the
deleted record to show up erroneously as having been associated to the
new record if the application doesn't use foreign key constraints (which
I personally almost always use) and doesn't do a great job of cleaning
up the data in those related tables when a record is deleted. 

This may or may not be a big concern for you, given that it's a legacy
application and it may not have a huge user database and the likelyhood
of these things happening (or being problematic) may not be very high.
However if you want to avoid that situation, what I would recommend is
as at least one other guy on the list mentioned, creating a second table
just to hold the new id's. The very simple table would just contain two
columns - tablename varchar(x)  currentidentity int - and instead of
select max(memberid) from members, you would use select currentidentity
from [identitytable] where tablename = 'members' (or whatever your table
is). You would also need to add a 3rd query in your transaction between
the 2 above to insert or update that row of the identity table, i.e. 

cfquery dsn=blah
  cfif val(next.identity)
update [identitytable] set currentidentity = currentidentity+1 
where tablename = 'members' 
  cfelse
insert into [identitytable] (tablename,currentidentity) 
values ('members',1) 
  /cfif
/cfquery

Although this does involved 3 queries instead of 2, its performance
won't change as the size of the database grows (as opposed to max()
getting slower as the table gets larger, which, with a legacy app is
probably not a real big issue). If you end up doing this sort of thing for
several tables you may want to create a CFC to abstract this so you
don't have so much duplicated or copy/pasted code. 

hth,

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Re: Dynamic ID's

2007-12-20 Thread s. isaac dealey
 The database does support autonumber, but this is a legacy app and
 database. Also, there are many times where autonumber isn't useful
 because when you delete a record, the database re-numbers everything
 changing the ID which we didn't want.

Oh I misread that the first time... I thought you'd said it didn't
support autonumbers. 


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Re: dealing with timezones

2007-12-20 Thread s. isaac dealey
 As a rule we do not use CF(or the Java it is running on) for TZ
 adjustments.  We already have time problems with our CF7 boxes
 because the JVM that adjusts for the TZ changes in the past 1-2 years
 conflicts with our LDAPS cert which forces us to run on an older JVM.

Boy unless I'm really confused, it sure sounds like it'd be a lot easier
for somebody to just spring the $50 for a better cert. 

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Re: Dynamic ID's

2007-12-20 Thread s. isaac dealey
   Beware of doing it this way... You will need cftransaction or some
 other  way of ensuring that the ID is unique. Consider the situation
 where 2  inserts from 2 different people are happening nearly
 simultaneously. The  second request for the max(ID) could occur
 before the first is  inserted

ARGH! Why can't anyone design a *good* email client? They all suck! 

 Is that definately true with the select insert as I exampled? I
 imagine (but that is all I do, quite willing to be wrong) that the
 single SQL statement must complete before another is allowed to run..?
 I.e. I imagine that this SQL will not run into the problem you
 describe:
 
 INSERT INTO myTable (id, title)
 SELECT Max(id) + 1, 'Some title'
 FROM myTable

As far as I know, at least with SQL Server that's true, the server
snapshots the environment, executes the query and then moves forward, so
in theory, this single-query approach wouldn't have the race condition.
I would expect that also to be true of Oracle, although I don't know for
certain. MySQL I honestly would say it's up in the air -- I know MySQL
does a lot of things rather differently than other databases, like
allowing you to specify a different engine for each table, which I
believe was a large part of the reason why it took them so gosh darned
LNNN to add support for views. Similarly,
their table names were at one time case-sensitive or could be (which was
non-standard behavior). That being the case, I don't like to make any
claims about what I expect MySQL to do. :P And similar with any other
databases, most of which I've had no exposure to. 

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Re: Another RegEx question...

2007-12-20 Thread s. isaac dealey
 cfset imageLink = REReplaceNoCase(cfhttp.fileContent,
 img[^]+([a-z0-9_]\.(?:jpg|jpeg|gif|png))[^]*, , ONE)

In addition to Ben's comment, it doesn't look like you're finding the
beginning of the src attribute, see: 

img[^]+ and then straight into the regex for the url ... so there's no
mention of src= ... there's also no allowance for the protocol (https?://)
and the : in (?:jpg| seems erroneous... 

I might suggest a slightly different tac ... instead of trying to get
it with one expression, how about this? 

cfset img = rereplacenocase(cfhttp.filecontent,
^.*?(img[^]+).*$,\1)
cfset img = rereplace(img,[^/],/)
cfset img = xmlparse(img) /
cfset img = img.img.xmlAttributes.src

Usually an image tag doesn't contain any characters that aren't xml safe,
since it's just got the src (no url parameters usually), class, style
and potentially an alt or title tag. It's really the alt or title tag
that might potentially have non-xml safe characters, but still not very
often. The 2nd rereplace checks to see if the image has an xml closing
and if not then it closes it so that the xmlparse() will work properly.
Of course, if you don't want to do the xml thing, once you have the tag
by itself, then it's a lot easier to just get the src attribute via
regex,i.e. 

cfset img = rereplace(img,^.*src=([^]+).*$,\1)

Although that runs some other potential risks of getting content from a
site that's using xml where the author used single-quotes instead of
doublequotes (minor change to the above regex I admit). I'm just saying,
6 of 1, 1/2-doz of the other there are a number of potential points of
failure either way. 

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Re: Best way to do this...

2007-12-20 Thread s. isaac dealey
Boy I wish I had any advice to offer... mostly 'cause I've noticed that
it seems like you haven't had any response to this question... I suspect
folks are in general just kinda stumped at what advice to offer, like I
am. I've never done anything for a conference like that -- I can offer
advice about how to solve specific problems related to the insertion of
those registrant records if you have specific questions, although at
this point, the info I have is too vague for me to offer anything useful
that anyone else wouldn't recommend... essentially use best practices
would be the advice at this point... heh :P Sorry to be so unhelpful.
Glad to help with more specific questions if you have them tho. 

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Re: Best way to do this...

2007-12-20 Thread Adam Haskell
What type of advice are you looking for, software layout (architecture) , UI
layout, Physical layout? I think that would help me understand you question
better.

Adam

On Dec 20, 2007 10:22 AM, Lori Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Here is the situation:
 There is a conference in March.  The customer wants to have an application
 where when the registrants come in they can immediately print out their
 information, tickets to events (maybe up to 5 events at the most) and their
 ID tag (name and logo)  First of all we need to have a printer that can
 handle a huge load (most likely 3,000 registrants a night) and of course the
 logos have to be in color (ugh!) We are trying to figure out the best way to
 have the layout.  I have never done a conference like this before.  If
 anyone has and has any advice for me that would be great.  I am sure more
 information is needed but I wanted to get the general idea of what I was
 looking for.  Thanks in advance for any advice/recommendations.

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Re: Best way to do this...

2007-12-20 Thread Jon Clausen
Lori,

Here's my thoughts on your problem:

1)  Have the static elements of the tickets and ID's printed  
professionally by a printer on blanks - it will be much cheaper than  
paying for ink outright.   It will also take less time to print.   
Maybe a perforated blank with the ticket on once side and the badge on  
the other.I know this is what SXSW does, for example.

2)  When the registrant arrives, send their information to the printer  
where the blanks are pre-loaded and print their personal information,  
logo, and picture out on the blank.

A separate color logo (which I am assuming is what you mean)  throws a  
wrench into the whole deal, because it means the printer hardware is  
much more costly as is the cost - per - print job.  I might  
suggest doing a cost breakdown for the customer on color vs. greyscale  
logos factoring the cost of ink and hardware capable of handling both  
color printing and an acceptable page per minute rate for registering  
3000 applicants in a single night.On an event of that scale the  
difference probably runs  into the thousands.

Another option would be to print the badges out in advance and file  
them and then just use blanks for the tickets where the printing will  
only be done in B/W.   Pull the badge from the file and print the  
ticket out at check-in.

HTH,

Jon


On Dec 20, 2007, at 10:22 AM, Lori Stone wrote:

 Here is the situation:
 There is a conference in March.  The customer wants to have an  
 application where when the registrants come in they can immediately  
 print out their information, tickets to events (maybe up to 5 events  
 at the most) and their ID tag (name and logo)  First of all we need  
 to have a printer that can handle a huge load (most likely 3,000  
 registrants a night) and of course the logos have to be in color  
 (ugh!) We are trying to figure out the best way to have the layout.   
 I have never done a conference like this before.  If anyone has and  
 has any advice for me that would be great.  I am sure more  
 information is needed but I wanted to get the general idea of what I  
 was looking for.  Thanks in advance for any advice/recommendations.

 Lori

 

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Re: Session Management - sticky sessions

2007-12-20 Thread James Holmes
Sure. The switch would do so via sticky sessions, so we're back to
where we started - sticky sessions are necessary for a lot of
functionality.

On Dec 21, 2007 10:56 AM, Adam Haskell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm not a sys admin so I might be off here but couldn't you get around this
 with a switch that ensures requests coming off a certain server gets routed
 properly?

 Adam Haskell


 On Dec 19, 2007 6:18 PM, Jochem van Dieten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Sean Corfield wrote:
   The issue here is that if you do not have sticky session, you have to
   be able to manage sessions that move between servers at will. That
   means that either:
   1) you use client scope instead of session scope (with all the
   attendant restrictions)
   2) you write your own session management based on cookies
   3) you rely on session replication (and, if you're not on CF8, make
   sure you don't put CFCs in session scope - and if you are on CF8, make
   sure you don't put arrays in the CFCs that are in session scope - and
   whatever other restrictions there are)
 
  No queries either.
 
  4. You do not use cfimage, cfpresentation, and other tags that rely on 2
  subsequent requests to be directed to the same instance.
 
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RE: Best way to do this...

2007-12-20 Thread Jim Davis
 On Dec 20, 2007 10:22 AM, Lori Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Here is the situation:
  There is a conference in March.  The customer wants to have an
 application
  where when the registrants come in they can immediately print out
 their
  information, tickets to events (maybe up to 5 events at the most) and
 their
  ID tag (name and logo)  First of all we need to have a printer that
 can
  handle a huge load (most likely 3,000 registrants a night) and of

Not for nothing, but have you done the math on that?

Even if each registration only took 20 seconds it would take over 16 hours
to register everybody if there were 3000 people.

Sounds like you want to have SEVERAL printers.  ;^)

But it does lead you to a good place to start: determine your registration
process and how long it will take (padding high).  Multiply that by the
number of people you expect - that's how long your registration time will
be.

You need to weigh that value against the amount of time you'll be accepting
registrations (taking popular times into consideration) and determine the
number of stations/printers you'll need to provide service... then add 20%.

Assuming you want portable then I think most high-capacity, high-speed
printers are out of the question.  Consumer level printers (if there's
enough of them and if there's somebody to do basic maintenance like change
ink and load paper) should do fine.

 course the
  logos have to be in color (ugh!) We are trying to figure out the best
 way to

The best bet here, if at all possible, would be to print black and white
over pre-printed color stationary.  The printing will be MUCH faster (and
much cheaper).  Cheap black and white laser (or even inkjet) printers would
do fine - anything you can find today can print at least several pages per
minute in BW.

Printing color on the spot adds a lot of complexity to an already complex
process.  Think about the conferences you've been too: none of them print in
color - they all print in BW over color stationary.

A redundant set of cheap printers is probably going to be more reliable
overall than a single monster printer.  If a big printer goes down you're
stopped dead but if a cheapy dies you just replace it or close that one
station.

You should also ask the venue - many places that support large conferences
have this kind of gear already - you pay extra to lease/rent it but they
tend to know their stuff.

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Re: Want to move into .Net?

2007-12-20 Thread Charlie Griefer
moving this where it belongs.

Jesse - with all due respect, the original poster posted an ad to a
COLDFUSION list, which clearly insinuated that .NET is the better
technology.  What sort of response did you expect he'd get?

If that particular company is looking to move to .NET, that's 100%
their perogative.  I understand that they are currently on CF, so they
want a CF developer who will ultimately make the transition with them.
 That's fair.  But to promote it as taking the next step
professionally well again, that's their opinion and they have
their right to it.  But on a CF mailing list, Adam's response was 100%
warranted, and I'd say the tool is the person who posted the ad
originally using the tone they did.

Oh, I'd say you're a tool as well for continuing to post to that
thread in cf-jobs after the list owner asked you not to.

On Dec 20, 2007 6:49 PM, Jesse B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Please forgive me Michael but I can't help but reply.

 Adrocknaphobia... you are a complete tool. If you were smart enough to know 
 anything about .Net you would not have posted that worthless snippet of 
 garbage. Seeings how CF is so easy for you then you should have a few days to 
 spare to really dig into .Net and see what it's about. Microsoft provides far 
 more support and far better dev tools to the .Net community than CF ever did 
 or ever will. I am not a .Net programmer but I am smart enough to see what it 
 has to offer to me as a developer.

 If at some point when you are not so narrow minded and have some worth while 
 experience in both .Net and CF then and only then will you be able to make a 
 comparison of the two that does not make you sound foolish.

 As far as Rapid Application Development I'll challenge your 
 Dreamweaver/HomeSite/Eclipse/WhatEver against Visual Studio. I am pretty 
 certain that in the right hands the latest version of VS will generate more 
 code for more things then all of your tools together.

 Your inability to provide an educated comparison of CF to .Net is a pretty 
 good indication of your severe short comings as a developer. Maybe you should 
 have a talk with Mr Churvis, he can offer you a good comparison that may give 
 you a different mind set.

 And lastly, the guy with .Net experience will have far more opportunity than 
 yourself and also be able to earn a fair bit more money than you.

 Dear sir,
 
 I would love the opportunity to learn .NET!
 
 ColdFusion is just too easy and too powerful. My current employer thinks I'm
 lazy because I'd rather write fewer lines of code and finish my projects
 early. I used to take solace in the fact that as a ColdFusion developer I
 helped defined the Rapid Application Development movement and built some of
 the very first Rich Internet Applications (years before Flex and AJAX). But
 the recent launch of ColdFusion 8 is just too much! Now my boss is expecting
 me to leverage AJAX in addition to Flex and AIR, integrate with MS Exchange
 and .NET, build document driven applications with PDF, debug and performance
 tune existing applications with the built-in server monitor, generate images
 on the fly, etc. It's just too much! I'm tired of writing code once that can
 be accessed from anywhere. I want to write code that only gets deployed on
 Windows and only works in IE. Screw this write once, run anywhere, access
 from anywhere crap. It's too much power! I'm not Spiderman, I can't handle
 this responsibility!
 
 Sigh. It'll be great to become a .NET developer. With such a limited
 toolset, people won't expect much from me
 
 -Adam
 
 PS. Do they make Visual Studio for OSX?
 
 PSS. My resume is _not_ attached because ColdFusion pwns .NET!
 
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Re: Want to move into .Net?

2007-12-20 Thread Jesse B
So you think I am a tool, your intitled to that opinion but no where in the 
original post does it mention .Net is better. If anything one might gather that 
they are assuming a CF developer learning .Net is taking ones career to the 
next level. I think it's pretty safe to say that if one only knows CF that 
adding another language to your tool set is in fact a great benefit to that 
developer, hence the Next Level comment. Or maybe they feel so strongly about 
their company that they are stating that by joining them is taking ones career 
to the next level?

So before you flame the original poster you might re-read the original post 
with a clear mind and see if you can pick up where they are emplying .Net is 
better. I have read it 5 times and see nothing of the sort.

So as a tool I might also ask that if a client handed you a spec for an 
application, after reading through it would you also insinuate functionality in 
said application because you choose to assume the writers intentions even 
though the spec does not mention it?


moving this where it belongs.

Jesse - with all due respect, the original poster posted an ad to a
COLDFUSION list, which clearly insinuated that .NET is the better
technology.  What sort of response did you expect he'd get?

If that particular company is looking to move to .NET, that's 100%
their perogative.  I understand that they are currently on CF, so they
want a CF developer who will ultimately make the transition with them.
 That's fair.  But to promote it as taking the next step
professionally well again, that's their opinion and they have
their right to it.  But on a CF mailing list, Adam's response was 100%
warranted, and I'd say the tool is the person who posted the ad
originally using the tone they did.

Oh, I'd say you're a tool as well for continuing to post to that
thread in cf-jobs after the list owner asked you not to.

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Re: Want to move into .Net?

2007-12-20 Thread Jeffry Houser
Charlie Griefer wrote:
 moving this where it belongs.
 
 Jesse - with all due respect, the original poster posted an ad to a
 COLDFUSION list, which clearly insinuated that .NET is the better
 technology.  What sort of response did you expect he'd get?

  I'd expect he'd get no responses.
  But on the other hand, it's not out of the realm of thought to think 
that there may be a few interested parties who work with both .NET and 
CF.  Or a few who perceive that learning .NET is a good long term career 
move.

 If that particular company is looking to move to .NET, that's 100%
 their perogative.  I understand that they are currently on CF, so they
 want a CF developer who will ultimately make the transition with them.
  That's fair.  But to promote it as taking the next step
 professionally 

  Learning a new technology often is a next step or a professional 
programmer.  Right?

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Re: Want to move into .Net?

2007-12-20 Thread Simon Horwith
the take the next step professionally certainly could be taken at a 
promotion of .NET over CF... OR as a reference to the fact that anyone 
who's applying to his post is taking the next step, professionally.  
That is, after all, what you do anytime you change employers or careers, 
isn't it?

Adam, I've got to say I was fairly shocked by what you wrote.  Not for 
what it said so much as because it was you who wrote it.  It's not 
surprising where your thoughts on the matter would be, given your 
employer and position there, but that's also what makes the 
aggressiveness of your response so surprising.  I love CF, I don't think 
anyone would ever question that, but I would never berate a company or 
developer for using one technology over another.  Sometimes there's good 
reason for using what you use.  Yes, even when it's not CF.  When there 
isn't a good reason and CF would have been a better choice, that 
approach doesn't do anyone any good - it certainly doesn't change 
anyone's decision to use a technology.  What's worse, this is a guy 
posting employment opportunities.  He may be a 3rd party recruiter, a 
manager, an HR employee, or any number of folks who could care less 
whether the position is .NET or CF... they may not even know the 
difference between the two.  Either way, attacking the job poster 
certainly isn't going to make the company stop using .NET.  I'm not sure 
what you hoped to gain?

I also think it's worth noting that the position was for someone who 
knows CF but wants to learn .NET as that's the technology being used for 
new development.  What's wrong with posting that position on CF-Jobs?  
Why would any CF developer NOT want to learn another skill?  I wish I 
had the opportunity to learn more about tons of languages besides CF - I 
know I try my best to do so whenever the opportunity presents itself.  
That's how I grow, how I stay fresh, how I continue to become more 
marketable.  What was is Sun Tzu said?  Something like Keep your 
friends close and your enemies closer.  Knowing more about different 
languages also gives me a better perspective of and appreciation for 
ColdFusion.

just my $0.02

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Jesse B wrote:
 So you think I am a tool, your intitled to that opinion but no where in the 
 original post does it mention .Net is better. If anything one might gather 
 that they are assuming a CF developer learning .Net is taking ones career to 
 the next level. I think it's pretty safe to say that if one only knows CF 
 that adding another language to your tool set is in fact a great benefit to 
 that developer, hence the Next Level comment. Or maybe they feel so 
 strongly about their company that they are stating that by joining them is 
 taking ones career to the next level?

 So before you flame the original poster you might re-read the original post 
 with a clear mind and see if you can pick up where they are emplying .Net is 
 better. I have read it 5 times and see nothing of the sort.

 So as a tool I might also ask that if a client handed you a spec for an 
 application, after reading through it would you also insinuate functionality 
 in said application because you choose to assume the writers intentions even 
 though the spec does not mention it?


   
 moving this where it belongs.

 Jesse - with all due respect, the original poster posted an ad to a
 COLDFUSION list, which clearly insinuated that .NET is the better
 technology.  What sort of response did you expect he'd get?

 If that particular company is looking to move to .NET, that's 100%
 their perogative.  I understand that they are currently on CF, so they
 want a CF developer who will ultimately make the transition with them.
 That's fair.  But to promote it as taking the next step
 professionally well again, that's their opinion and they have
 their right to it.  But on a CF mailing list, Adam's response was 100%
 warranted, and I'd say the tool is the person who posted the ad
 originally using the tone they did.

 Oh, I'd say you're a tool as well for continuing to post to that
 thread in cf-jobs after the list owner asked you not to.

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Re: Want to move into .Net?

2007-12-20 Thread Scott Stroz
Lighten up Greg.

 Quote
 
 Take the next step professionally and join an exceptional team.  
 Software 
 Engineering Services is a leading IT consulting company seeking 
 individuals who 
 want to come on board with a large Omaha, Nebraska client.  
 
 End Quote
 
 If this guy is guilty of anything it's that he is assuming that his 
 client is a better place to work than your current position. No where 
 in that statement does it say .Net is better than CF nor would anyone 
 be able to say that it assumes or insinuates that it is.
 
 
  So you think I am a tool, your intitled to that opinion but no where 
 
  in the original post does it mention .Net is better. If anything one 
 
  might gather that they are assuming a CF developer learning .Net is 
 
  taking ones career to the next level. I think it's pretty safe to 
 say 
  that if one only knows CF that adding another language to your tool 
 
  set is in fact a great benefit to that developer, hence the Next 
  Level comment. Or maybe they feel so strongly about their company 
  that they are stating that by joining them is taking ones career to 
 
  the next level?
  
  So before you flame the original poster you might re-read the 
 original 
  post with a clear mind and see if you can pick up where they are 
  emplying .Net is better. I have read it 5 times and see nothing of 
 the 
  sort.
  
  So as a tool I might also ask that if a client handed you a spec for 
 
  an application, after reading through it would you also insinuate 
  functionality in said application because you choose to assume the 
  writers intentions even though the spec does not mention it?
  
  
  moving this where it belongs.
  
  Jesse - with all due respect, the original poster posted an ad to 
 a
  COLDFUSION list, which clearly insinuated that .NET is the better
  technology.  What sort of response did you expect he'd get?
  
  If that particular company is looking to move to .NET, that's 100%
  their perogative.  I understand that they are currently on CF, so 
  they
  want a CF developer who will ultimately make the transition with 
 them.
  
   That's fair.  But to promote it as taking the next step
  professionally well again, that's their opinion and they have
  their right to it.  But on a CF mailing list, Adam's response was 
  100%
  warranted, and I'd say the tool is the person who posted the ad
  originally using the tone they did.
  
  Oh, I'd say you're a tool as well for continuing to post to that
  thread in cf-jobs after the list owner asked you not to.
  
  On Dec 20, 2007 6:49 PM, Jesse B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   


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Re: Want to move into .Net?

2007-12-20 Thread charlie griefer
to all:

yes, i can see where the take the next step wasn't meant to imply that .NET 
was the next step *up* over ColdFusion.  But... that's (obviously) how i 
originally read it.

for the record, i would never in a million years tell somebody -not- to learn 
something new.  it's all about being marketable and having more tools in your 
toolbelt.

with that being said... if i was the original poster, i might have phrased the 
post a bit differently just to err on the side of caution.  i took it one way 
(i won't say the wrong way because i still see how it can be taken either 
way), as did others (apparently).  

c'mon... would it have been so hard to have just said, Add a new tool to your 
tool belt?  :)

Charlie Griefer wrote:
 moving this where it belongs.
 
 Jesse - with all due respect, the original poster posted an ad to a
 COLDFUSION list, which clearly insinuated that .NET is the better
 technology.  What sort of response did you expect he'd get?

  I'd expect he'd get no responses.
  But on the other hand, it's not out of the realm of thought to think 
that there may be a few interested parties who work with both .NET and 
CF.  Or a few who perceive that learning .NET is a good long term career 
move.

 If that particular company is looking to move to .NET, that's 100%
 their perogative.  I understand that they are currently on CF, so they
 want a CF developer who will ultimately make the transition with them.
  That's fair.  But to promote it as taking the next step
 professionally 

  Learning a new technology often is a next step or a professional 
programmer.  Right?

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