Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs

[Andy Allan]

There was a lot of activity in Europe in 2009:

* ColdFusion Insider Workshop Tour, which visited a good dozen
European countries if not more
* Ben Forta UG Tour, probably visiting half a dozen countries, if not more
* Scotch on the Road UK and Scotch on the Road Europe, which visited
Scotland, England, Germany, Switzerland, Italy, Netherlands and
Belgium

For 2010 I know Ben Forta is coming back, because the Netherland CFUG
has announced a date in March, and Scotch on the Rocks is back to
running in a single location on May 24/25 in London.

Andy

2010/1/21 Sean Corfield :
>
>
>> [C]  Adobe dont seem to be doing anything to promote ColdFusion here.
>
> That's been a long-standing complaint since the Macromedia days
> "{insert country here} gets no love". Adobe added a European
> specialist (Claude Englebert) and were looking at how best to support
> the APAC market - but these are not simple problems to solve and there
> is no unlimited marketing budget.
>

-- 
andy.al...@gmail.com
www.fuzzyorange.co.uk
www.andyallan.com
www.scotch-on-the-rocks.co.u

~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329885
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

RE: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs

[William Seiter]

I can't speak to your experience with [A] or [C], but I will try to do a
parallel to [B].

In Los Angeles, we have had what amounts to a 'dead' CF user group.  I think
2 meetings in the last year since it was resurrected, after being shelved
for many many years.

However, the job market for CF developers in the Los Angeles area has never
been better.

We do have a 'general' Adobe users group that meets, but they don't really
care much for CF programmers, and focus mainly on the products you had
mentioned.  If I went to one of those meetings as a litmus test for CF
strength in the area, I would write LA off.  But because I work in the
market, I know better.

If you are having issues finding projects that are starting to use CF, keep
in mind that most new companies trend toward the free server-side
programming languages simply because it's free.

In contract work, I have taken a few of the contracts and changed their
minds about CF by citing and proving some of the basic tenets of CF
development.  Fast to market, advanced developers tend to be actually
advanced (not 'I worked with PHP for a year, I must be a 'senior'), etc.

If I were you, instead of looking for 'jobs' that are using CF, try looking
for 'startups' that are looking for a solution, and then sell them on you
and CF.

Just my 2 deenah,

William

-Original Message-
From: Mike Kear [mailto:afpwebwo...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:52 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs


I know that's a 'Chicken Little" kind of subject line.  I hope my
impressions are wrong.   Might be - i have been wrong before.  I
remember i was wrong once when i thought i was incorrect, but i wasnt.

Anyway,  these are the reasons i think the trends tell me ColdFusion
is either a dead duck of soon to be a dead duck at least in Sydney
anyway.  I dont know about other places.  ...

[A] there is almost no new development going on in ColdFusionIn
the last 12 months there has been just a handful of coldfusion jobs
advertised.   And most of those have been advertised by time-wasters
who didnt end up appointing anyone. "I'm sorry Mike, they've put that
project on hold for now ... yada yada yada "  (or so they said  maybe
they were just too gutless to tell me i didnt get the assignment)   In
the last 12 months i have had NOT ONE assignment as a result of any
advertisements for CF developers.   If I hadnt dug up business on my
own I'd have starved.   Contrast this with a few years ago when
freelancers like me had jobs lined up one behind the other.   Maybe
its just me,   maybe everyone else has lots of jobs lined up.  But
somehow i doubt it.

[B] There is next-to no apparent activity in the Usergroups on
coldfusion, at least as far as I've seen.  Everyone's fussing about
Flex and Flash and Railo and Ruby on Rails and no one's talking about
ColdFusion.I'd have made the 4 hour trek into the user group
meeting if there'd been anything to do with coldfusion on.  Apparently
developers think there is nothing to talk about with ColdFusion.   How
newer developers are getting on learning the product I have no idea.

[C]  Adobe dont seem to be doing anything to promote ColdFusion here.
 I might be wrong on that,  and its just that they dont tell us what
they're doing,  but I havent seen any evidence that they're putting
much effort into marketing ColdFusion. I dont consider sending
speakers to a COLDFUSION conference like WebDU or CfObjective to be
promoting new ColdFusion installations because they're preaching to
the choir there.   Those folks are already sold on CF.  Yes it's
important to keep those lines open with the developer community but I
dont see much use for gaining new users that way.   ( I said something
similar a few years ago, and Mark Blair got highly indignant about it
- called me and told me all the things he was doing to promote
ColdFusion.   But after that, nothing)   I would like to know that
Adobe care enough about their server product to put some money behind
it and promote it a bit here.It would make me feel more
comfortable about building my business around it.

-- 
Cheers
Mike Kear


~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329884
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4

Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs

[AJ Mercer]

2010/1/21 Sean Corfield 
 

>
> I don't actually see it locally - there are three CFUGs within easy
> driving distance for me and they're all active and have lots of
> interesting (and CF-focused) talks. But I am hearing it from various
> parts of the world. Is it a UG manager problem perhaps? i.e., nothing
> to do with CF or Adobe specifically.
>

I better give the Perth CFML tree a shake
my UG has gone quite again.


> --
> Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN
> Railo Technologies US -- http://getrailo.com/
> An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/
>
> "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive."
> -- Margaret A
>
> 

~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329883
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4

Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs

[Sean Corfield]

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Mike Kear  wrote:
> I know that's a 'Chicken Little" kind of subject line.  I hope my
> impressions are wrong.   Might be - i have been wrong before.  I
> remember i was wrong once when i thought i was incorrect, but i wasnt.

Ah, Mike, how long's it been since your last "ColdFusion is dead" post?

> Contrast this with a few years ago when
> freelancers like me had jobs lined up one behind the other.

Contrast this with a few years ago when we weren't in the biggest
recession since... when? WWII? The Great Depression?

> [B] There is next-to no apparent activity in the Usergroups on
> coldfusion, at least as far as I've seen.  Everyone's fussing about
> Flex and Flash and Railo and Ruby on Rails and no one's talking about
> ColdFusion.

OK, now you're the *fourth* person to say the same thing to me
today... What is up with user groups that I'm hearing this so much
lately?

I don't actually see it locally - there are three CFUGs within easy
driving distance for me and they're all active and have lots of
interesting (and CF-focused) talks. But I am hearing it from various
parts of the world. Is it a UG manager problem perhaps? i.e., nothing
to do with CF or Adobe specifically.

FWIW, I started looking for active PHP and Java groups (to do some
CFML marketing to) and had a hard time finding those. There's one
local PHP group but it doesn't seem very active and the only Java
group I could find in the area hasn't updated its website for ages and
hardly ever seems to meet.

UGs for Scala, Clojure and other "new" and/or "hot" languages do seem
to be more active - but that's because they're new tech for a lot of
people. CFML, PHP and Java have been around forever, they do their
jobs well and they're just... well, less interesting perhaps?

> [C]  Adobe dont seem to be doing anything to promote ColdFusion here.

That's been a long-standing complaint since the Macromedia days
"{insert country here} gets no love". Adobe added a European
specialist (Claude Englebert) and were looking at how best to support
the APAC market - but these are not simple problems to solve and there
is no unlimited marketing budget.

> Boy i hope I'm wrong!

You are :)

The pool of CFers is constantly growing. Rates are still higher for
CFers than most other web technologies. There are more CFML
conferences and events than ever.

But there is a recession going on - and that hurts everyone.
-- 
Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN
Railo Technologies US -- http://getrailo.com/
An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/

"If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive."
-- Margaret A

~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329882
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs

[Mike Kear]

Eric, I hope you're right and i'm just panicking unnecessarily.

But when i see little or no promotion,  very little discussion about
CF,   bugger all interest from the user groups,  and no jobs that adds
up to a pretty serious malaise i fear.

Every night i have some of my favourite job boards send me an email
with IT jobs that meet my search criteria.   Every night all 2009, I
got at least 150 jobs on the email.There are plenty of web dev
jobs.   but the ones containing the word "ColdFusion"  have dropped
from 4-5 every day about 18 months ago, to less than 5 in the last 6
months.Based on this information (which i admit might be giving me
a misleading impression) its hard not to conclude that the other
technologies are chugging along ok, but CF isnt.

I am eager to be proved wrong in this.I dearly hope i am.

Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
AFP Webworks
http://afpwebworks.com
ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month



On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Eric Roberts
 wrote:
>
> Three's not much hiring going on period.  Just in  case you have been living
> in a cave, we do have a crappy economy with buttloads of unemployment.  I
> was getting several calls a week up until about June...then it died.  It has
> nothing to do with CF, it has to do with lack of funds to do projects.  I
> have a couple of projects waiting in the wings that are just sitting there
> because the company that needs to get them done can't get the loans to pay
> for it.  Has CF ever been properly marketed?  Seems to have been doing fine
> for the past what 13 years with little to no marketing.  I think the only
> thing you got right here was the Chicken little par

~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329881
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

RE: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs

[Eric Roberts]

Three's not much hiring going on period.  Just in  case you have been living
in a cave, we do have a crappy economy with buttloads of unemployment.  I
was getting several calls a week up until about June...then it died.  It has
nothing to do with CF, it has to do with lack of funds to do projects.  I
have a couple of projects waiting in the wings that are just sitting there
because the company that needs to get them done can't get the loans to pay
for it.  Has CF ever been properly marketed?  Seems to have been doing fine
for the past what 13 years with little to no marketing.  I think the only
thing you got right here was the Chicken little part ;-)

-Original Message-
From: Mike Kear [mailto:afpwebwo...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 11:52 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs


I know that's a 'Chicken Little" kind of subject line.  I hope my
impressions are wrong.   Might be - i have been wrong before.  I
remember i was wrong once when i thought i was incorrect, but i wasnt.

Anyway,  these are the reasons i think the trends tell me ColdFusion
is either a dead duck of soon to be a dead duck at least in Sydney
anyway.  I dont know about other places.  ...

[A] there is almost no new development going on in ColdFusionIn
the last 12 months there has been just a handful of coldfusion jobs
advertised.   And most of those have been advertised by time-wasters
who didnt end up appointing anyone. "I'm sorry Mike, they've put that
project on hold for now ... yada yada yada "  (or so they said  maybe
they were just too gutless to tell me i didnt get the assignment)   In
the last 12 months i have had NOT ONE assignment as a result of any
advertisements for CF developers.   If I hadnt dug up business on my
own I'd have starved.   Contrast this with a few years ago when
freelancers like me had jobs lined up one behind the other.   Maybe
its just me,   maybe everyone else has lots of jobs lined up.  But
somehow i doubt it.

[B] There is next-to no apparent activity in the Usergroups on
coldfusion, at least as far as I've seen.  Everyone's fussing about
Flex and Flash and Railo and Ruby on Rails and no one's talking about
ColdFusion.I'd have made the 4 hour trek into the user group
meeting if there'd been anything to do with coldfusion on.  Apparently
developers think there is nothing to talk about with ColdFusion.   How
newer developers are getting on learning the product I have no idea.

[C]  Adobe dont seem to be doing anything to promote ColdFusion here.
 I might be wrong on that,  and its just that they dont tell us what
they're doing,  but I havent seen any evidence that they're putting
much effort into marketing ColdFusion. I dont consider sending
speakers to a COLDFUSION conference like WebDU or CfObjective to be
promoting new ColdFusion installations because they're preaching to
the choir there.   Those folks are already sold on CF.  Yes it's
important to keep those lines open with the developer community but I
dont see much use for gaining new users that way.   ( I said something
similar a few years ago, and Mark Blair got highly indignant about it
- called me and told me all the things he was doing to promote
ColdFusion.   But after that, nothing)   I would like to know that
Adobe care enough about their server product to put some money behind
it and promote it a bit here.It would make me feel more
comfortable about building my business around it.


So if IT departments arent looking for CF Developers,   Usergroups
arent interested any more,  Adobe isnt bothered with it any more,
what long term future does it have?

Boy i hope I'm wrong!
-- 
Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
AFP Webworks
http://afpwebworks.com
ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month



~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329880
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs

[Mike Kear]

I know that's a 'Chicken Little" kind of subject line.  I hope my
impressions are wrong.   Might be - i have been wrong before.  I
remember i was wrong once when i thought i was incorrect, but i wasnt.

Anyway,  these are the reasons i think the trends tell me ColdFusion
is either a dead duck of soon to be a dead duck at least in Sydney
anyway.  I dont know about other places.  ...

[A] there is almost no new development going on in ColdFusionIn
the last 12 months there has been just a handful of coldfusion jobs
advertised.   And most of those have been advertised by time-wasters
who didnt end up appointing anyone. "I'm sorry Mike, they've put that
project on hold for now ... yada yada yada "  (or so they said  maybe
they were just too gutless to tell me i didnt get the assignment)   In
the last 12 months i have had NOT ONE assignment as a result of any
advertisements for CF developers.   If I hadnt dug up business on my
own I'd have starved.   Contrast this with a few years ago when
freelancers like me had jobs lined up one behind the other.   Maybe
its just me,   maybe everyone else has lots of jobs lined up.  But
somehow i doubt it.

[B] There is next-to no apparent activity in the Usergroups on
coldfusion, at least as far as I've seen.  Everyone's fussing about
Flex and Flash and Railo and Ruby on Rails and no one's talking about
ColdFusion.I'd have made the 4 hour trek into the user group
meeting if there'd been anything to do with coldfusion on.  Apparently
developers think there is nothing to talk about with ColdFusion.   How
newer developers are getting on learning the product I have no idea.

[C]  Adobe dont seem to be doing anything to promote ColdFusion here.
 I might be wrong on that,  and its just that they dont tell us what
they're doing,  but I havent seen any evidence that they're putting
much effort into marketing ColdFusion. I dont consider sending
speakers to a COLDFUSION conference like WebDU or CfObjective to be
promoting new ColdFusion installations because they're preaching to
the choir there.   Those folks are already sold on CF.  Yes it's
important to keep those lines open with the developer community but I
dont see much use for gaining new users that way.   ( I said something
similar a few years ago, and Mark Blair got highly indignant about it
- called me and told me all the things he was doing to promote
ColdFusion.   But after that, nothing)   I would like to know that
Adobe care enough about their server product to put some money behind
it and promote it a bit here.It would make me feel more
comfortable about building my business around it.


So if IT departments arent looking for CF Developers,   Usergroups
arent interested any more,  Adobe isnt bothered with it any more,
what long term future does it have?

Boy i hope I'm wrong!
-- 
Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
AFP Webworks
http://afpwebworks.com
ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month

~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329879
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4

RE: ColdFusion|JRun CPU and|or memory problem.

[Mark Kruger]

I'll second that on the memory tracking - I wish I could disable the button
so an unwary admin doesn't accidentaly crash the server for me (yikes). 


Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MCSE
(402) 408-3733 ext 105
www.cfwebtools.com
www.coldfusionmuse.com
www.necfug.com

-Original Message-
From: b...@bradwood.com [mailto:b...@bradwood.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 5:04 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: ColdFusion|JRun CPU and|or memory problem.


Is the jrun process specifically consuming the CPU usage, or is another
process using it?  Is SQL Server or any thing else also running on this box?

Also, how much memory does jrun usually use?  What are you min and max heap
arguments?  Windows may have 1 Gig allocated to jrun, but you may only be
using a portion of it.

Another quick place to check are scheduled tasks in CF.

Ditto on the CF server monitoring.  It is bad news, period.  I hate to say
it but memory tracking is virtually unusable in my experience because it has
instantly crashed the server any time I've even tried to enable it-- even if
only for a few seconds.

And finally, buy SeeFusion.  It's like 300 bucks and it makes it dang easy
to watch your memory, get stack traces (for a specific thread, or the whole
server) and it will show you what is running and what SQL it is calling.

~Brad


 Original Message 
Subject: ColdFusion|JRun CPU and|or memory problem.
From: Ian Skinner 
Date: Wed, January 20, 2010 3:37 pm
To: cf-talk 


Any good information on how to track down what is causing a ColdFusion
server to behave badly.





~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329878
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

RE: 64bit CF Server and System DSNs - Solved

[Mark Kruger]

That is an outstanding tip... 


Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MCSE
(402) 408-3733 ext 105
www.cfwebtools.com
www.coldfusionmuse.com
www.necfug.com

-Original Message-
From: Bobby [mailto:bo...@acoderslife.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:14 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: 64bit CF Server and System DSNs - Solved


There actually IS a 64bit version of the MSDASQL provider. After installing
that and adding 'Provider=MSDASQL;' to all connection strings, everything
started working fine.


Bobby Hartsfiled wrote:
>   Normal
>   0
>
>   false
>   false
>   false
>
>   EN-US
>   X-NONE
>   X-NONE
>
>   MicrosoftInternetExplorer4
>
> We
> are in the process of setting up a 64bit, multiserver configuration 
> ColdFusion server. We have setup and tested multiserver configuration 
> in the past but that was on 32bit. This is our first attempt at 64bit.
>  - Windows 64bit Server 2003 R2
>  - CF 8 Enterprise 64 bit
>
>  
>
> Some
> parts of our application still contain legacy ASP code and we use 
> System DSNs to allow that legacy code to talk to our databases. With 
> 64bit, we are receiving the following error anytime ASP attempts to talk
to a system DSN.
>
> ADODB.Connection error '800a0ea9' 
>
> Provider is not specified and there is no designated default provider.
>
> /openadmin/_scripts/conn.inc, line 11
>
>  
>
> I
> found a couple of different reasons and alleged solutions to this but 
> have still had no luck solving it. The first, and most common, 
> explanation that I've found is that the MSDASQL.dll (provider for ODBC 
> drivers) has no 64 bit version and that SQLOLEDB should be used 
> instead. To use SQLOLEDB, the suggestion was to add the provider 
> argument to your connection strings: 
> DSN=systemDSNName;UID=username;PWD=password;
> Prodvider=SQLOLEDB;
>
>  
>
> When
> I try that, I receive a different error:
>
>  
>
> Microsoft OLE DB Provider for SQL Server error '80004005'
>
> Invalid connection string attribute
>
> /openadmin/_scripts/conn.inc, line 11
>
>  
>
> Another
> solution was to use the connection string argument "Driver={SQL Server}"
> instead of the provider. But when I try that, I get a completely 
> different error message:
>
>  
>
> Microsoft OLE DB Provider for SQL Server error '80004005'
>
> [DBNETLIB][ConnectionOpen (Connect()).]SQL Server does not exist or 
> access denied.
>
> /openadmin/_scripts/conn.inc, line 11
>
>  
>
> Another
> solution, yet again, was to use the 32bit version of the ODBC Manager 
> to create your system DSNs. I tried that as well with all of the same 
> results. I also tried setting IIS to run as a 32 bit application by 
> setting "Enable32BitAppOnWin64" to true but that resulted in a different
error as well:
>
> %1
> is not a valid Win32 application.
>
> I
> also tried all of the same connection string changes from above while 
> running at 32bit but there was no change in this error messages.
>
> As
> you can see, I'm not having much luck. Has anyone else had this issue 
> before
>
> that might be able to offer some suggestions? 
>
> Thanks
> for any help you can offer.
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 



~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329877
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

Re: Article feed for website

[Mike Little]

basically something very light, that a visitor can embed in their own website 
code. it ultimately will show the latest articles posted on the clients website.

a jquery solution may be good, however i wish to try and avoid the visitor 
having too complicated code to intregrate. i know i have used a javascript 
function in the past to embed external advertising banners.

mike 

~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329876
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

Re: Can application scope gateways/DAOs returning an array of Objects?

[Jonathan Price]

I tried this, and I'm not seeing any of non-local scoped vars showing up.  I 
see each of my DAOs and Gateways and each of their internal methods, but I 
don't see any reference to the non-local vars (of which, I know there are 
many).  I'm just doing a , correct?

Jonathan

> Jonathan Price wrote:
> > Thanks for the reply!  I'm definitely trying to get a handle on this 
> as I don't want to chase down the repercussions in the future!  Thank 
> so much for your help.  It almost makes sense to me now...
> >
> 
> A useful trick if you are creating your CFC in any persistent scope, 
> like the application scope in this case, is to do a  of that 
> scope at the end of the page. Look at all of the vars showing in there. 
> 
> If you have failed to properly local scope a var in a CFC function you 
> 
> will see it sitting there at the top level of the dump.
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Yours,
> 
> Kym Kovan
> mbcomms.net.au


~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329875
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

Re: 64bit CF Server and System DSNs - Solved

[Bobby]

There actually IS a 64bit version of the MSDASQL provider. After 
installing that and adding 'Provider=MSDASQL;' to all connection 
strings, everything started working fine.


Bobby Hartsfiled wrote:
>   Normal
>   0
>
>   false
>   false
>   false
>
>   EN-US
>   X-NONE
>   X-NONE
>
>   MicrosoftInternetExplorer4
>
> We
> are in the process of setting up a 64bit, multiserver configuration ColdFusion
> server. We have setup and tested multiserver configuration in the past but 
> that
> was on 32bit. This is our first attempt at 64bit.
>  - Windows 64bit Server 2003 R2
>  - CF 8 Enterprise 64 bit
>
>  
>
> Some
> parts of our application still contain legacy ASP code and we use System DSNs
> to allow that legacy code to talk to our databases. With 64bit, we are
> receiving the following error anytime ASP attempts to talk to a system DSN.
>
> ADODB.Connection error '800a0ea9' 
>
> Provider is not specified and there is no
> designated default provider. 
>
> /openadmin/_scripts/conn.inc, line 11
>
>  
>
> I
> found a couple of different reasons and alleged solutions to this but have
> still had no luck solving it. The first, and most common, explanation that 
> I've
> found is that the MSDASQL.dll (provider for ODBC drivers) has no 64 bit 
> version
> and that SQLOLEDB should be used instead. To use SQLOLEDB, the suggestion was
> to add the provider argument to your connection strings: 
> DSN=systemDSNName;UID=username;PWD=password;
> Prodvider=SQLOLEDB;
>
>  
>
> When
> I try that, I receive a different error:
>
>  
>
> Microsoft OLE DB Provider for SQL Server
> error '80004005' 
>
> Invalid connection string attribute
>
> /openadmin/_scripts/conn.inc, line 11
>
>  
>
> Another
> solution was to use the connection string argument "Driver={SQL Server}"
> instead of the provider. But when I try that, I get a completely different
> error message:
>
>  
>
> Microsoft OLE DB Provider for SQL Server
> error '80004005' 
>
> [DBNETLIB][ConnectionOpen (Connect()).]SQL
> Server does not exist or access denied. 
>
> /openadmin/_scripts/conn.inc, line 11
>
>  
>
> Another
> solution, yet again, was to use the 32bit version of the ODBC Manager to 
> create
> your system DSNs. I tried that as well with all of the same results. I also
> tried setting IIS to run as a 32 bit application by setting
> "Enable32BitAppOnWin64" to true but that resulted in a different error as 
> well: 
>
> %1
> is not a valid Win32 application.
>
> I
> also tried all of the same connection string changes from above while running
> at 32bit but there was no change in this error messages.
>
> As
> you can see, I'm not having much luck. Has anyone else had this issue before
>
> that might be able to offer some suggestions? 
>
> Thanks
> for any help you can offer.
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 

~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329874
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

Re: Article feed for website

[Qing Xia]

Do you mean like an RSS feed...?

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Mike Little  wrote:

>
> hi guys,
>
> my client wishes to make available code (javascript??) that website
> visitors can embed in their own websites/blogs to display the most recent
> articles.
>
> this is the first time i am trying this so any pointers in the right
> direction would really be appreciated.
>
> could this be an iframe they embed, or is it better suited to a javascript
> function that would consume a webservice from the clients website??
>
> mike
>
> 

~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329873
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

Article feed for website

[Mike Little]

hi guys,

my client wishes to make available code (javascript??) that website visitors 
can embed in their own websites/blogs to display the most recent articles.

this is the first time i am trying this so any pointers in the right direction 
would really be appreciated.

could this be an iframe they embed, or is it better suited to a javascript 
function that would consume a webservice from the clients website??

mike 

~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329872
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

RE: ColdFusion|JRun CPU and|or memory problem.

[brad]

> Yes, looking at the task manager we clearly see one of the JRun services 
> spinning at 50% (we have a 2 cpu server).

In that case, I would focus in on getting some stack traces of exactly
what your server is doing while experiencing these problems.  That can
be done easily cfom the CF server monitor without having to enable any
monitoring stuff.

The second thing would be some in-depth memory monitoring like Dominic
suggested, however I never got a clear answer from you on whether or not
you are seeing memory jumps (real ones, not the petabytes that the CF
server mon was showing you) or if your main problem was just CPU usage.

~Brad


~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329871
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

Re: ColdFusion|JRun CPU and|or memory problem.

[Mark Mandel]

+1 to Dominic

Very useful tool! and can be setup so you can access the server remotely -
it doesn't have to run on the same server.

Mark

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Dominic Watson <
watson.domi...@googlemail.com> wrote:

>
> Something else to look at is jConsole. It comes with the Java SDK and will
> let you look at any java app's memory, thread and cpu usage in detail
> (you'll need to change jrun's JVM args to have it report those stats).
> Something like SeeFusion will have some more ColdFusion specific stuff
> (long
> running pages, queries, etc), but jConsole gets into the memory side of
> things in more detail (and it's free).
>
> HTH
>
> Dominic
>

-- 
E: mark.man...@gmail.com
T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic
W: www.compoundtheory.com

Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training @ cf.Objective() 2010
www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com/


~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329870
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

Re: ColdFusion|JRun CPU and|or memory problem.

[Ian Skinner]

On 1/20/2010 3:03 PM, b...@bradwood.com wrote:
> Is the jrun process specifically consuming the CPU usage, or is another
> process using it?  Is SQL Server or any thing else also running on this
> box?
>

Yes, looking at the task manager we clearly see one of the JRun services 
spinning at 50% (we have a 2 cpu server).

> Also, how much memory does jrun usually use?  What are you min and max
> heap arguments?  Windows may have 1 Gig allocated to jrun, but you may
> only be using a portion of it.
>
> Another quick place to check are scheduled tasks in CF.
>
> Ditto on the CF server monitoring.  It is bad news, period.  I hate to
> say it but memory tracking is virtually unusable in my experience
> because it has instantly crashed the server any time I've even tried to
> enable it-- even if only for a few seconds.
>

Well, it has not caused my any troubles today when I have turned it on.  
I guess mileage does vary.  I have not left it on of course, but I have 
used it to spot check the situation for several minutes at at time.  I 
even ran it for a couple of hours yesterday.


> And finally, buy SeeFusion.  It's like 300 bucks and it makes it dang
> easy to watch your memory, get stack traces (for a specific thread, or
> the whole server) and it will show you what is running and what SQL it
> is calling.
>

Unfortunately money is not a good topic right now, but I if I can



~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329869
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

Re: ColdFusion|JRun CPU and|or memory problem.

[Dominic Watson]

Something else to look at is jConsole. It comes with the Java SDK and will
let you look at any java app's memory, thread and cpu usage in detail
(you'll need to change jrun's JVM args to have it report those stats).
Something like SeeFusion will have some more ColdFusion specific stuff (long
running pages, queries, etc), but jConsole gets into the memory side of
things in more detail (and it's free).

HTH

Dominic

2010/1/20 Mark Mandel 

>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Ian Skinner  wrote:
>
> > > First of all - having memory tracking enabled in your production server
> > is
> > > going to make it crawl ;o)
> > >
> >
> > Well, this is an Intranet web server that has a minimal load probably
> > measured in a dozen or two simultaneous requests at most.  So while the
> > monitor is definatly a load, I beleive the server has plenty of capacity
> > to spare in its normal state.
> >
>
> No seriously - don't use it in production, ever. Ever. Ever.
>
> The thread dumps are pretty straight forward to read - just ignore most of
> the the Java gobbley-de-gook.
>
> Mark
>
> --
> E: mark.man...@gmail.com
> T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic
> W: www.compoundtheory.com
>
> Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training @ cf.Objective() 2010
> www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com/
>
>
> 

~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329868
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

Re: ColdFusion|JRun CPU and|or memory problem.

[Mark Mandel]

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Ian Skinner  wrote:

> > First of all - having memory tracking enabled in your production server
> is
> > going to make it crawl ;o)
> >
>
> Well, this is an Intranet web server that has a minimal load probably
> measured in a dozen or two simultaneous requests at most.  So while the
> monitor is definatly a load, I beleive the server has plenty of capacity
> to spare in its normal state.
>

No seriously - don't use it in production, ever. Ever. Ever.

The thread dumps are pretty straight forward to read - just ignore most of
the the Java gobbley-de-gook.

Mark

-- 
E: mark.man...@gmail.com
T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic
W: www.compoundtheory.com

Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training @ cf.Objective() 2010
www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com/


~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329867
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

RE: ColdFusion|JRun CPU and|or memory problem.

[brad]

Is the jrun process specifically consuming the CPU usage, or is another
process using it?  Is SQL Server or any thing else also running on this
box?

Also, how much memory does jrun usually use?  What are you min and max
heap arguments?  Windows may have 1 Gig allocated to jrun, but you may
only be using a portion of it.

Another quick place to check are scheduled tasks in CF.

Ditto on the CF server monitoring.  It is bad news, period.  I hate to
say it but memory tracking is virtually unusable in my experience
because it has instantly crashed the server any time I've even tried to
enable it-- even if only for a few seconds.

And finally, buy SeeFusion.  It's like 300 bucks and it makes it dang
easy to watch your memory, get stack traces (for a specific thread, or
the whole server) and it will show you what is running and what SQL it
is calling.

~Brad


 Original Message 
Subject: ColdFusion|JRun CPU and|or memory problem.
From: Ian Skinner 
Date: Wed, January 20, 2010 3:37 pm
To: cf-talk 


Any good information on how to track down what is causing a ColdFusion 
server to behave badly.



~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329866
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

RE: CF9 equivalent of getPageContext().getBuiltInScopes()

[brad]

I don't know the answer to your question, but you can poke around by
dumping out the object and/or Java Reflection to see what
methods/properties exist in the page context object now.  You might get
lucky and find the method was just renamed.  Then again, CF9 might have
totally re-worked that and your screwed.  :)

~Brad

 Original Message 
Subject: CF9 equivalent of getPageContext().getBuiltInScopes()
From: Larry Lyons 
Date: Wed, January 20, 2010 2:20 pm
To: cf-talk 


Greetings.

In CF8 there was a great undocumented function within the
getPageContext() method called getBuiltInScopes() that basically returns
all the scopes available to the request. Unfortunately this doesn't
exist within CF9, or so it appears. Does anyone know of the equivalent
in CF9?



~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329865
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4

Re: ColdFusion|JRun CPU and|or memory problem.

[Ian Skinner]

On 1/20/2010 1:57 PM, Mark Mandel wrote:
> First of all - having memory tracking enabled in your production server is
> going to make it crawl ;o)
>

Well, this is an Intranet web server that has a minimal load probably 
measured in a dozen or two simultaneous requests at most.  So while the 
monitor is definatly a load, I beleive the server has plenty of capacity 
to spare in its normal state.

> I would start with thread dumps. You can do this through the monitor (there
> is a snapshot feature that I believe does this), although setting up a cron
> job or similar to fire the Java commands neccessary to get it to happen on
> interval wouldn't be bad.
>
> May just be easier to do it when the CPU spikes - I leave it up to you, but
> grab a few at least.
>
> Then use a tool like Thread Dump Analyzer - so you can see what ColdFusion
> is actually doing under the hood.
>
> Once you can see what is actually going on - you should be able to see what
> is causing the problem.
>
> Mark
>
>

Thanks, I just read and printed the TechNote on how to dump the 
threads.  That is probably the first thing I will get to do tomorrow, 
today is about done and the Governor has forbidden overtime.

Any other resources to how I am going to read these thread dumps once I 
am looking at them?



~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329864
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

Re: Random "Error Occurred on Line -1" CF Errors

[Gerald Guido]

Unfortunately I know exactly what you are talking about. You aren't using
Rob Gonda's sql.cfc by chance?

http://sqlcfc.riaforge.org/

That is where we ran into it. It was truly a phantom bug as in we could
*never* replicate it. It happened randomly and if you refreshed the page
after you got the error it would fix itself. It seems that CF has some
bizzaro bug with arrays.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22The+error+occurred+on+line+-1%22++bug+coldfusion&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS324US324&ie=UTF-8

We never did get to bottom of it, we just ended up scrapping sql.cfc and
generated the queries to replace the ones that were being handled by sql.cfc

I wish I had better news for you. Good Luck and God Speed.

G!


On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Kyle McLean  wrote:

>
> Gerald:
>
> Thanks for your help! Do you know of any way that this missing array value
> can be triggered via CF code? Based on the debug output it looks like this
> is an array issue thrown from deep down in the bowels of ColdFusion through
> Java. I haven't been able to replicate it using some intentionally faulty CF
> array code, so I'm at a loss at how to identify the offending piece of code
> or how to fix it.
>
> And yeah, the "line -1 error" was pretty funny, until I had to start
> looking for and debugging this sucker. :)
>
> >Looks like an array is missing a value. I have seen the -1 error before
> and
> >most of the time (in my case) it has to do with an array missing a value.
> >
> >These point to an array issue too:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >btw I love the "on line  -1" error.
> >
> >HTH
> >
> >G!
> >
> >
> >
> >>
>
> 

~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329863
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

Re: ColdFusion|JRun CPU and|or memory problem.

[Mark Mandel]

First of all - having memory tracking enabled in your production server is
going to make it crawl ;o)

I would start with thread dumps. You can do this through the monitor (there
is a snapshot feature that I believe does this), although setting up a cron
job or similar to fire the Java commands neccessary to get it to happen on
interval wouldn't be bad.

May just be easier to do it when the CPU spikes - I leave it up to you, but
grab a few at least.

Then use a tool like Thread Dump Analyzer - so you can see what ColdFusion
is actually doing under the hood.

Once you can see what is actually going on - you should be able to see what
is causing the problem.

Mark

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:37 AM, Ian Skinner  wrote:

>
> Any good information on how to track down what is causing a ColdFusion
> server to behave badly.
>
> The symptoms we have to date:
>
> 1) Starting January 5th, our Windows 2003, ColdFusion Web Server will
> suddenly jump from under 5% CPU usage to an average over 50% with
> frequent spikes to 80%, 90% and over.
>
> 2) When this happens the JRun process for our main JRun process will be
> running with over 600,000kb of memory.
>
> 3) Restarting this ColdFusion instances resets the server back to it's
> normal 5% CPU usage.
>
> 4) When I point the Administrator monitor at the server nothing seems to
> be obviously wrong
>
> 5) *EXCEPT*  The monitor will sometimes report an Application Scope of
> nearly 821,000,000,000,000kb.  Yes, that is over 100 petabytes of data
> according to Wolfram-Alpha.  I am pretty sure we do not have that much
> memory on this server.
>
> The weird thing is that there does not seem to be a correlation between
> that impossible memory spike and the problem with the server.  I have
> been able to see the spike twice since I have started monitoring things
> yesterday.  Once this occurred during a problem period, once it did not.
>
> Using the monitor and looking at the various log files, I can not find
> any clear smoking gun, so I am looking for advice on how one my track
> down an elusive problem like this.
>
> 

~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329862
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

RE: ColdFusion|JRun CPU and|or memory problem.

[Mark Kruger]

Ian,

Doing triage I always look at (in order).

1) client vars - are they stored in the registry? If so you could have an
issue deleting that that "shows up" as the purge process starts hitting
actual values to attempt to delete.
2) DB issues - Trouble on the DB spells trouble for the CF Server for most
aps - even though CF gets the blame :)  Look for locks and blocks.

After that I start looking pot luck of other things

-Mark

-Original Message-
From: Ian Skinner [mailto:h...@ilsweb.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 3:38 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: ColdFusion|JRun CPU and|or memory problem.


Any good information on how to track down what is causing a ColdFusion
server to behave badly.

The symptoms we have to date:

1) Starting January 5th, our Windows 2003, ColdFusion Web Server will
suddenly jump from under 5% CPU usage to an average over 50% with frequent
spikes to 80%, 90% and over.

2) When this happens the JRun process for our main JRun process will be
running with over 600,000kb of memory.

3) Restarting this ColdFusion instances resets the server back to it's
normal 5% CPU usage.

4) When I point the Administrator monitor at the server nothing seems to be
obviously wrong

5) *EXCEPT*  The monitor will sometimes report an Application Scope of
nearly 821,000,000,000,000kb.  Yes, that is over 100 petabytes of data
according to Wolfram-Alpha.  I am pretty sure we do not have that much
memory on this server.

The weird thing is that there does not seem to be a correlation between that
impossible memory spike and the problem with the server.  I have been able
to see the spike twice since I have started monitoring things yesterday.
Once this occurred during a problem period, once it did not.

Using the monitor and looking at the various log files, I can not find any
clear smoking gun, so I am looking for advice on how one my track down an
elusive problem like this.



~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329861
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

ColdFusion|JRun CPU and|or memory problem.

[Ian Skinner]

Any good information on how to track down what is causing a ColdFusion 
server to behave badly.

The symptoms we have to date:

1) Starting January 5th, our Windows 2003, ColdFusion Web Server will 
suddenly jump from under 5% CPU usage to an average over 50% with 
frequent spikes to 80%, 90% and over.

2) When this happens the JRun process for our main JRun process will be 
running with over 600,000kb of memory.

3) Restarting this ColdFusion instances resets the server back to it's 
normal 5% CPU usage.

4) When I point the Administrator monitor at the server nothing seems to 
be obviously wrong

5) *EXCEPT*  The monitor will sometimes report an Application Scope of 
nearly 821,000,000,000,000kb.  Yes, that is over 100 petabytes of data 
according to Wolfram-Alpha.  I am pretty sure we do not have that much 
memory on this server.

The weird thing is that there does not seem to be a correlation between 
that impossible memory spike and the problem with the server.  I have 
been able to see the spike twice since I have started monitoring things 
yesterday.  Once this occurred during a problem period, once it did not.

Using the monitor and looking at the various log files, I can not find 
any clear smoking gun, so I am looking for advice on how one my track 
down an elusive problem like this.

~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329860
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

Re: Random "Error Occurred on Line -1" CF Errors

[Kyle McLean]

Gerald:

Thanks for your help! Do you know of any way that this missing array value can 
be triggered via CF code? Based on the debug output it looks like this is an 
array issue thrown from deep down in the bowels of ColdFusion through Java. I 
haven't been able to replicate it using some intentionally faulty CF array 
code, so I'm at a loss at how to identify the offending piece of code or how to 
fix it.

And yeah, the "line -1 error" was pretty funny, until I had to start looking 
for and debugging this sucker. :)

>Looks like an array is missing a value. I have seen the -1 error before and
>most of the time (in my case) it has to do with an array missing a value.
>
>These point to an array issue too:
>
>
>
>
>btw I love the "on line  -1" error.
>
>HTH
>
>G!
>
>
>
>> 

~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329859
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

RE: Homesite on Windows 7 x 64?

[Justin Scott]

> Yeah. You have to install it using compatibility mode. I have
> it running fine on Win7 64.

Seconded.  I was able to install HomeSite+ 5.5 in Windows XP Compatibility
Mode and it works like a charm.


-Justin



~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329858
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

RE: FedEx web service

[Leigh]

> I can send you the XML they are sending me if you would
> like to look at it to see what I mean.

Yes, feel free send it off-list if you prefer.


  

~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329857
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

Re: Homesite on Windows 7 x 64?

[Gerald Guido]

Yeah. You have to install it using compatibility mode. I have it running
fine on Win7 64.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=compatibility+mode+windows+7&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS324US324&ie=UTF-8&aq=0&oq=compatibility+mode+wi

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Greg Luce  wrote:

>
> I have lived without Homesite's awesome search and replace for over a month
> but couldn't stand it any longer. (I've been using the latest CFBuilder)
> But
> I tried installing Homesite+ and Homesite 5.5 with no luck. Homesite+
> installed but then wouldn't start up. Homesite 5.5 won't even make it
> through installation. I tried with no tricks the first time, then tried
> them
> putting the installer in compatibility mode (neither version will make it
> through the installer) and as administrator. This is a sad day if Homesite
> and I have to part ways. :-(
> Anyone have it installed in Windows 7 x 64 and have any tips?
>
> HP Quadcore, 8G RAM, Windows 7 Utimate x 64...
> --
> Greg
>
>
> 

~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329856
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4

Homesite on Windows 7 x 64?

[Greg Luce]

I have lived without Homesite's awesome search and replace for over a month
but couldn't stand it any longer. (I've been using the latest CFBuilder) But
I tried installing Homesite+ and Homesite 5.5 with no luck. Homesite+
installed but then wouldn't start up. Homesite 5.5 won't even make it
through installation. I tried with no tricks the first time, then tried them
putting the installer in compatibility mode (neither version will make it
through the installer) and as administrator. This is a sad day if Homesite
and I have to part ways. :-(
Anyone have it installed in Windows 7 x 64 and have any tips?

HP Quadcore, 8G RAM, Windows 7 Utimate x 64...
-- 
Greg


~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329855
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

Re: CF5 download

[Kevin Pepperman]

Pablo (webmas...@easycfm.com) and Dan Blickensderfer originally provided it
for me.

I credit them for providing it for me when I needed it.


~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329854
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4

RE: FedEx web service

[Chad Gray]

Huh... I just noticed that the ground service GROUND_HOME_DELIVERY only have 
two "ratedShipmentDetails" nodes.  

Why do all the other service types have four?  I guess the safest way is just 
to grab the first "RatedShipmentDetails" node data and add TotalNetCharge and 
EffectiveNetDiscount to get the Standard Rate and not the client discounted 
rate.



-Original Message-
From: Chad Gray [mailto:cg...@careyweb.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 3:37 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: FedEx web service


Leigh, I have a customer that gets a discount on their FedEx shipping because 
of the quantity they ship.  If a FedEx account that does not get a discount 
have this same structure that I am getting?  I don’t want to put code up on the 
code.google.com if it is not accurate for all account types.

The object I get back from FedEx has 4 "RatedShipmentDetails".  The first two 
contain a "TotalNetCharge" that is the clients discounted rate and there is an 
extra node in it called "EffectiveNetDiscount" that I could add to the 
"TotalNetCharge" to get the "Standard Rate" to charge the web user.

The second two "RatedShipmentDetails" contain the "Standard Rate" that I should 
be displaying to the web user.

Are there always four "RatedShipmentDetail" nodes in the object returned or is 
it because my client gets a discount they get four?

I can send you the XML they are sending me if you would like to look at it to 
see what I mean.


-Original Message-
From: Leigh [mailto:cfsearch...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 3:15 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: FedEx web service


> Seems more stable to FedEx's changes.

It is also much easier to debug ;)


  





~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329853
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

RE: FedEx web service

[Chad Gray]

Leigh, I have a customer that gets a discount on their FedEx shipping because 
of the quantity they ship.  If a FedEx account that does not get a discount 
have this same structure that I am getting?  I don’t want to put code up on the 
code.google.com if it is not accurate for all account types.

The object I get back from FedEx has 4 "RatedShipmentDetails".  The first two 
contain a "TotalNetCharge" that is the clients discounted rate and there is an 
extra node in it called "EffectiveNetDiscount" that I could add to the 
"TotalNetCharge" to get the "Standard Rate" to charge the web user.

The second two "RatedShipmentDetails" contain the "Standard Rate" that I should 
be displaying to the web user.

Are there always four "RatedShipmentDetail" nodes in the object returned or is 
it because my client gets a discount they get four?

I can send you the XML they are sending me if you would like to look at it to 
see what I mean.


-Original Message-
From: Leigh [mailto:cfsearch...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 3:15 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: FedEx web service


> Seems more stable to FedEx's changes.

It is also much easier to debug ;)


  



~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329852
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

Re: More Efficient (Faster) Method

[Leigh]

> Basically, you want to figure out what
> the program should do, build the program, and deal with
> performance problems if they exist - they may force you to reconsider
> what the program needs to do, or they may force you to identify
> better ways to do the same thing.

That, added to Sean's comments, is probably the best advice in this whole 
thread, imo ...




  

~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329851
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

CF9 equivalent of getPageContext().getBuiltInScopes()

[Larry Lyons]

Greetings.

In CF8 there was a great undocumented function within the getPageContext() 
method called getBuiltInScopes() that basically returns all the scopes 
available to the request. Unfortunately this doesn't exist within CF9, or so it 
appears. Does anyone know of the equivalent in CF9?

many thanks,
larry 

~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329850
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

RE: FedEx web service

[Leigh]

> Seems more stable to FedEx's changes.

It is also much easier to debug ;)


  

~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329849
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4

Re: CF5 download

[Karen Reali]

Thank you a ton... you really have no idea how much!

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Kevin Pepperman wrote:

>
> I will send you a link off list.
>
> Give me a few to upload it.
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Karen Reali  wrote:
>
> >
> > Thanks - Since I have to have this done by tomorrow, I think I'm at the
> > point now where I have to move to Windows ... and find an install disk
> > (anyone?) - I've got the license key and its valid (called Adobe - they
> > won't provide a download link).
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Kevin Pepperman  > >wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > You could have left it running there using the built in web server,
> and
> > > > linked
> > > > it into your Apache install via. mod_proxy rather than mod_jrun, not
> > that
> > > > it
> > > > matters now.
> > >
> > >
> > > Tom mentioned this quote above, but you may have to do some more
> > research.
> > > I
> > > have not attempted it yet.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 1:26 PM, K Rea  wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello - new to the CF group and it looks like I'm facing a similar
> > > problem
> > > > as you may have faced.
> > > >
> > > > Need to move my CF5 implementation to a new server.  Problem is its
> > > Ubuntu
> > > > running Apache 2.0.6.
> > > >
> > > > Install with the modules for previous versions of Apache) aren't
> > working,
> > > > nor did the CGI implementation of Coldfusion.
> > > >
> > > > Any suggestions on how to accomplish this under Ubuntu?  Or my next
> > step
> > > is
> > > >  to install CF5 server (enterprise) on Windows - problem is the
> install
> > > CD
> > > > is nowhere to be found.  I too have all my license key information -
> > box,
> > > cd
> > > > case, registration cards... just no cd.
> > > >
> > > > Any help?  I'm down to the wire on this... :(
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >Kevin Pepperman wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >I just had a look in the museum and we have CDs all the way back to
> > > > >version 4 (and floppies even earlier :-) )
> > > > >
> > > > >I don't know if they are still readable, I can have a look. What
> > > > >version, Pro or Enterprise?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >--
> > > > >
> > > > >Yours,
> > > > >
> > > > >Kym Kovan
> > > > >mbcomms.net.au
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> 

~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329848
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4

Re: CF5 download

[Kevin Pepperman]

I sent you a link off list Karen.

I am out the door right now but will be around this evening if I you need
any more help.

/K


~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329847
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

Re: cfmail through google

[Kevin Pepperman]

You may also be able to do it using sTunnel.

I was able to get the commercial version of BlueDragon JX to talk to gmail
with it.

These are the stunnel.conf settings.

client = yes
debug = debug
[pop3s]
accept = 127.0.0.1:1109
connect = pop.gmail.com:995

[smtps]
accept = 127.0.0.1:259
connect = smtp.gmail.com:465


~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329846
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

Re: More Efficient (Faster) Method

[Dave Watts]

> Well Dave  - First, thanks for not restraining yourself. If I wanted people
> to restrain themselves - I probably wouldn't have asked the question in a
> public forum. So, I appreciate you chiming in. ;)
>
> ...

I was going to type out a long reply to this, but Sean did the job
better than I could. Basically, you want to figure out what the
program should do, build the program, and deal with performance
problems if they exist - they may force you to reconsider what the
program needs to do, or they may force you to identify better ways to
do the same thing.

So, for example, you may want to store the date information in a
table, or you may want to figure it out on the fly using CF date
functions. But you'd decide between these two primarily on the basis
on the functionality they offer, unless you find that the one you've
chosen doesn't perform well enough.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/

Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on
GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite

~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329845
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4

Re: cfmail through google

[denstar]

There's a cfjavamail tag for railo that should be easy to modify to
work with CF7.

http://trac.getrailo.org/railotags/wiki/CfJavaMail

There is a folder with some mxunit tests that work for GMail a couple
directories up in the repo (link to source is at the top of the wiki
page).

:den

-- 
I do not know whether there are gods, but there ought to be.
Diogenes

~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329844
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

Re: CF5 download

[Kevin Pepperman]

I will send you a link off list.

Give me a few to upload it.

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Karen Reali  wrote:

>
> Thanks - Since I have to have this done by tomorrow, I think I'm at the
> point now where I have to move to Windows ... and find an install disk
> (anyone?) - I've got the license key and its valid (called Adobe - they
> won't provide a download link).
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Kevin Pepperman  >wrote:
>
> >
> > >
> > > You could have left it running there using the built in web server, and
> > > linked
> > > it into your Apache install via. mod_proxy rather than mod_jrun, not
> that
> > > it
> > > matters now.
> >
> >
> > Tom mentioned this quote above, but you may have to do some more
> research.
> > I
> > have not attempted it yet.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 1:26 PM, K Rea  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hello - new to the CF group and it looks like I'm facing a similar
> > problem
> > > as you may have faced.
> > >
> > > Need to move my CF5 implementation to a new server.  Problem is its
> > Ubuntu
> > > running Apache 2.0.6.
> > >
> > > Install with the modules for previous versions of Apache) aren't
> working,
> > > nor did the CGI implementation of Coldfusion.
> > >
> > > Any suggestions on how to accomplish this under Ubuntu?  Or my next
> step
> > is
> > >  to install CF5 server (enterprise) on Windows - problem is the install
> > CD
> > > is nowhere to be found.  I too have all my license key information -
> box,
> > cd
> > > case, registration cards... just no cd.
> > >
> > > Any help?  I'm down to the wire on this... :(
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >Kevin Pepperman wrote:
> > > >
> > > >I just had a look in the museum and we have CDs all the way back to
> > > >version 4 (and floppies even earlier :-) )
> > > >
> > > >I don't know if they are still readable, I can have a look. What
> > > >version, Pro or Enterprise?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--
> > > >
> > > >Yours,
> > > >
> > > >Kym Kovan
> > > >mbcomms.net.au
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> 

~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329843
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

Re: CF5 download

[Karen Reali]

Thanks - Since I have to have this done by tomorrow, I think I'm at the
point now where I have to move to Windows ... and find an install disk
(anyone?) - I've got the license key and its valid (called Adobe - they
won't provide a download link).



On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Kevin Pepperman wrote:

>
> >
> > You could have left it running there using the built in web server, and
> > linked
> > it into your Apache install via. mod_proxy rather than mod_jrun, not that
> > it
> > matters now.
>
>
> Tom mentioned this quote above, but you may have to do some more research.
> I
> have not attempted it yet.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 1:26 PM, K Rea  wrote:
>
> >
> > Hello - new to the CF group and it looks like I'm facing a similar
> problem
> > as you may have faced.
> >
> > Need to move my CF5 implementation to a new server.  Problem is its
> Ubuntu
> > running Apache 2.0.6.
> >
> > Install with the modules for previous versions of Apache) aren't working,
> > nor did the CGI implementation of Coldfusion.
> >
> > Any suggestions on how to accomplish this under Ubuntu?  Or my next step
> is
> >  to install CF5 server (enterprise) on Windows - problem is the install
> CD
> > is nowhere to be found.  I too have all my license key information - box,
> cd
> > case, registration cards... just no cd.
> >
> > Any help?  I'm down to the wire on this... :(
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> > >Kevin Pepperman wrote:
> > >
> > >I just had a look in the museum and we have CDs all the way back to
> > >version 4 (and floppies even earlier :-) )
> > >
> > >I don't know if they are still readable, I can have a look. What
> > >version, Pro or Enterprise?
> > >
> > >
> > >--
> > >
> > >Yours,
> > >
> > >Kym Kovan
> > >mbcomms.net.au
> >
> >
>
> 

~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329842
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

Re: CF5 download

[Kevin Pepperman]

>
> You could have left it running there using the built in web server, and
> linked
> it into your Apache install via. mod_proxy rather than mod_jrun, not that
> it
> matters now.


Tom mentioned this quote above, but you may have to do some more research. I
have not attempted it yet.



On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 1:26 PM, K Rea  wrote:

>
> Hello - new to the CF group and it looks like I'm facing a similar problem
> as you may have faced.
>
> Need to move my CF5 implementation to a new server.  Problem is its Ubuntu
> running Apache 2.0.6.
>
> Install with the modules for previous versions of Apache) aren't working,
> nor did the CGI implementation of Coldfusion.
>
> Any suggestions on how to accomplish this under Ubuntu?  Or my next step is
>  to install CF5 server (enterprise) on Windows - problem is the install CD
> is nowhere to be found.  I too have all my license key information - box, cd
> case, registration cards... just no cd.
>
> Any help?  I'm down to the wire on this... :(
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> >Kevin Pepperman wrote:
> >
> >I just had a look in the museum and we have CDs all the way back to
> >version 4 (and floppies even earlier :-) )
> >
> >I don't know if they are still readable, I can have a look. What
> >version, Pro or Enterprise?
> >
> >
> >--
> >
> >Yours,
> >
> >Kym Kovan
> >mbcomms.net.au
>
> 

~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329841
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

Re: Random "Error Occurred on Line -1" CF Errors

[Gerald Guido]

Looks like an array is missing a value. I have seen the -1 error before and
most of the time (in my case) it has to do with an array missing a value.

These point to an array issue too:

>>java.lang.IndexOutOfBoundsException : Index: 2, Size: 2
>>java.util.ArrayList.RangeCheck(ArrayList.java:547)



btw I love the "on line  -1" error.

HTH

G!

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Kyle McLean  wrote:

>
> I'm currently debugging a project, and every so often I'll get a troubling
> error reported from CF:
>
> Index: 2, Size: 2 null
> body: The error occurred on line -1.
>
> In the CF server monitor the error appears as such:
> java.lang.IndexOutOfBoundsException : Index: 2, Size: 2
>
> This error comes up very sporadically: enough that it's a nuisance and can
> cause trouble for the users, but not frequently enough that I can isolate
> it, replicate it, and fix it. It's also fleeting: I'll get the error on a
> page, refresh it several times, and it'll never come up again.
>
> It appears to be memory-related, based on some Google searches and the Java
> stack trace. I'm using ColdFusion 8 enterprise, so I wouldn't think it'd be
> related to some of the earlier issues that CFMX (6) had that I found.
>
> Has anyone else had this type of error occur to them? If so, did you fix it
> and how? I'm not sure if this is caused by code (e.g. an inefficient query,
> a mangled CF statement etc., locking issues), a lack of system resources, or
> a server configuration issue. The test server I'm working on has several
> other CF apps running on it, but the machine is quite beefy (Xeon Quad-Core
> CPU at 3.6 GHz, 4 GB of RAM, Windows Server 2003) for a test box that should
> only have at max 10-15 users on it at a time. I appreciate any help that
> anyone can offer.
>
> Stack Trace:
> java.util.ArrayList.RangeCheck(ArrayList.java:547)
> at java.util.ArrayList.get(ArrayList.java:322)
> at coldfusion.monitor.util.MonitorList.add(MonitorList.java:131)
> at
> coldfusion.monitor.memory.SessionMemoryMonitor.record(SessionMemoryMonitor.java:49)
> at
> coldfusion.monitor.memory.SessionMemoryMonitor.record(SessionMemoryMonitor.java:37)
> at coldfusion.monitor.memory.MemoryMonitor.record(MemoryMonitor.java:261)
> at
> coldfusion.monitor.memory.MemoryRequestEventHandler.onRequestComplete(MemoryRequestEventHandler.java:23)
> at
> coldfusion.monitor.event.RequestMonitorEventProcessor.onRequestComplete(RequestMonitorEventProcessor.java:246)
> at coldfusion.filter.MonitoringFilter.invoke(MonitoringFilter.java:46)
> at coldfusion.filter.PathFilter.invoke(PathFilter.java:86)
> at coldfusion.filter.ExceptionFilter.invoke(ExceptionFilter.java:70)
> at coldfusion.filter.BrowserDebugFilter.invoke(BrowserDebugFilter.java:74)
> at
> coldfusion.filter.ClientScopePersistenceFilter.invoke(ClientScopePersistenceFilter.java:28)
> at coldfusion.filter.BrowserFilter.invoke(BrowserFilter.java:38)
> at coldfusion.filter.NoCacheFilter.invoke(NoCacheFilter.java:46)
> at coldfusion.filter.GlobalsFilter.invoke(GlobalsFilter.java:38)
> at coldfusion.filter.DatasourceFilter.invoke(DatasourceFilter.java:22)
> at coldfusion.CfmServlet.service(CfmServlet.java:175)
> at coldfusion.bootstrap.BootstrapServlet.service(BootstrapServlet.java:89)
> at jrun.servlet.FilterChain.doFilter(FilterChain.java:86)
> at
> coldfusion.monitor.event.MonitoringServletFilter.doFilter(MonitoringServletFilter.java:42)
> at coldfusion.bootstrap.BootstrapFilter.doFilter(BootstrapFilter.java:46)
> at jrun.servlet.FilterChain.doFilter(FilterChain.java:94)
> at jrun.servlet.FilterChain.service(FilterChain.java:101)
> at jrun.servlet.ServletInvoker.invoke(ServletInvoker.java:106)
> at jrun.servlet.JRunInvokerChain.invokeNext(JRunInvokerChain.java:42)
> at
> jrun.servlet.JRunRequestDispatcher.invoke(JRunRequestDispatcher.java:284)
> at
> jrun.servlet.ServletEngineService.dispatch(ServletEngineService.java:543)
> at
> jrun.servlet.jrpp.JRunProxyService.invokeRunnable(JRunProxyService.java:203)
> at
> jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$DownstreamMetrics.invokeRunnable(ThreadPool.java:320)
> at
> jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$ThreadThrottle.invokeRunnable(ThreadPool.java:428)
> at
> jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$UpstreamMetrics.invokeRunnable(ThreadPool.java:266)
> at jrunx.scheduler.WorkerThread.run(WorkerThread.java:66)
>
> CF Version: 8,0,0,176276 (Enterprise)
> Java Version: 1.6.0_01
>
> 

~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329840
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

Re: CF5 download

[K Rea]

Hello - new to the CF group and it looks like I'm facing a similar problem as 
you may have faced.

Need to move my CF5 implementation to a new server.  Problem is its Ubuntu 
running Apache 2.0.6.

Install with the modules for previous versions of Apache) aren't working, nor 
did the CGI implementation of Coldfusion.

Any suggestions on how to accomplish this under Ubuntu?  Or my next step is
 to install CF5 server (enterprise) on Windows - problem is the install CD is 
nowhere to be found.  I too have all my license key information - box, cd case, 
registration cards... just no cd.

Any help?  I'm down to the wire on this... :(

Thanks.



>Kevin Pepperman wrote:
>
>I just had a look in the museum and we have CDs all the way back to 
>version 4 (and floppies even earlier :-) )
>
>I don't know if they are still readable, I can have a look. What 
>version, Pro or Enterprise?
>
>
>-- 
>
>Yours,
>
>Kym Kovan
>mbcomms.net.au 

~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329839
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

Re: cfmail through google

[Larry Lyons]

>To my knowledge there is no way to use  with gmail on CF7.  The
>appropriate hooks (TLS/SSL) were not added into  until CF8.

About the only way to do this as far as I can see is to use the javaMail 
packages from Sun to access GMail under CFMX 7. see 
http://java.sun.com/products/javamail/

I have some old code at home that did something similar. I'll see if I can dig 
it up and post it.

hth,
larry 

~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329838
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

Random "Error Occurred on Line -1" CF Errors

[Kyle McLean]

I'm currently debugging a project, and every so often I'll get a troubling 
error reported from CF:

Index: 2, Size: 2 null 
body: The error occurred on line -1.

In the CF server monitor the error appears as such:
java.lang.IndexOutOfBoundsException : Index: 2, Size: 2

This error comes up very sporadically: enough that it's a nuisance and can 
cause trouble for the users, but not frequently enough that I can isolate it, 
replicate it, and fix it. It's also fleeting: I'll get the error on a page, 
refresh it several times, and it'll never come up again.

It appears to be memory-related, based on some Google searches and the Java 
stack trace. I'm using ColdFusion 8 enterprise, so I wouldn't think it'd be 
related to some of the earlier issues that CFMX (6) had that I found.

Has anyone else had this type of error occur to them? If so, did you fix it and 
how? I'm not sure if this is caused by code (e.g. an inefficient query, a 
mangled CF statement etc., locking issues), a lack of system resources, or a 
server configuration issue. The test server I'm working on has several other CF 
apps running on it, but the machine is quite beefy (Xeon Quad-Core CPU at 3.6 
GHz, 4 GB of RAM, Windows Server 2003) for a test box that should only have at 
max 10-15 users on it at a time. I appreciate any help that anyone can offer.

Stack Trace:
java.util.ArrayList.RangeCheck(ArrayList.java:547)
at java.util.ArrayList.get(ArrayList.java:322)
at coldfusion.monitor.util.MonitorList.add(MonitorList.java:131)
at 
coldfusion.monitor.memory.SessionMemoryMonitor.record(SessionMemoryMonitor.java:49)
at 
coldfusion.monitor.memory.SessionMemoryMonitor.record(SessionMemoryMonitor.java:37)
at coldfusion.monitor.memory.MemoryMonitor.record(MemoryMonitor.java:261)
at 
coldfusion.monitor.memory.MemoryRequestEventHandler.onRequestComplete(MemoryRequestEventHandler.java:23)
at 
coldfusion.monitor.event.RequestMonitorEventProcessor.onRequestComplete(RequestMonitorEventProcessor.java:246)
at coldfusion.filter.MonitoringFilter.invoke(MonitoringFilter.java:46)
at coldfusion.filter.PathFilter.invoke(PathFilter.java:86)
at coldfusion.filter.ExceptionFilter.invoke(ExceptionFilter.java:70)
at coldfusion.filter.BrowserDebugFilter.invoke(BrowserDebugFilter.java:74)
at 
coldfusion.filter.ClientScopePersistenceFilter.invoke(ClientScopePersistenceFilter.java:28)
at coldfusion.filter.BrowserFilter.invoke(BrowserFilter.java:38)
at coldfusion.filter.NoCacheFilter.invoke(NoCacheFilter.java:46)
at coldfusion.filter.GlobalsFilter.invoke(GlobalsFilter.java:38)
at coldfusion.filter.DatasourceFilter.invoke(DatasourceFilter.java:22)
at coldfusion.CfmServlet.service(CfmServlet.java:175)
at coldfusion.bootstrap.BootstrapServlet.service(BootstrapServlet.java:89)
at jrun.servlet.FilterChain.doFilter(FilterChain.java:86)
at 
coldfusion.monitor.event.MonitoringServletFilter.doFilter(MonitoringServletFilter.java:42)
at coldfusion.bootstrap.BootstrapFilter.doFilter(BootstrapFilter.java:46)
at jrun.servlet.FilterChain.doFilter(FilterChain.java:94)
at jrun.servlet.FilterChain.service(FilterChain.java:101)
at jrun.servlet.ServletInvoker.invoke(ServletInvoker.java:106)
at jrun.servlet.JRunInvokerChain.invokeNext(JRunInvokerChain.java:42)
at jrun.servlet.JRunRequestDispatcher.invoke(JRunRequestDispatcher.java:284)
at jrun.servlet.ServletEngineService.dispatch(ServletEngineService.java:543)
at jrun.servlet.jrpp.JRunProxyService.invokeRunnable(JRunProxyService.java:203)
at 
jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$DownstreamMetrics.invokeRunnable(ThreadPool.java:320)
at jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$ThreadThrottle.invokeRunnable(ThreadPool.java:428)
at 
jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$UpstreamMetrics.invokeRunnable(ThreadPool.java:266)
at jrunx.scheduler.WorkerThread.run(WorkerThread.java:66)

CF Version: 8,0,0,176276 (Enterprise)
Java Version: 1.6.0_01 

~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329837
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

Re: (ot) ColdFusion as Best Bowhunting Product

[Judah McAuley]

I have a friend who has a business making yoyos for serious
competitors. Yes, there are such people. Lots of them in Japan
apparently. And they make a titanium yoyo that goes for $170 and is
sold out. Their general competitive models go for around $100 I
believe. Strange stuff.

Judah

On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 7:09 AM, Gerald Guido  wrote:
>
>>
>> Here's my favorite non-Adobe "Cold Fusion" product:
>> http://www.theyoyostore.com/coldfusionyoyo.html
>>
>
> $100 for a yoyo? Dayyymn. And I thought Adobe CF was pricey.
>
> G!
>

~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329836
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

Re: cfmail through google

[Matthew Smith]

>To my knowledge there is no way to use  with gmail on CF7.  The
>appropriate hooks (TLS/SSL) were not added into  until CF8.

Thanks to everyone for the help. 

~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329835
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

RE: FedEx web service

[Chad Gray]

Looks like I had to do it so I was looping over "RequestedPackageLiteItem" not 
the "sequencenumber - weight" chunk of XML.

Now it looks like this and so far no errors. I will keep testing.

LIST
2
INDIVIDUAL_PACKAGES

1

USD
100


LB
50



2

USD
100


LB
25



-Original Message-
From: Chad Gray [mailto:cg...@careyweb.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 11:33 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: FedEx web service


Leigh, have you ever tried to do multiple boxes in this CFFedExRates CFC?

I structured the package data like this.

LIST
2
INDIVIDUAL_PACKAGES

1

USD
100


LB
50

2

USD
100


LB
25



Here is the error from fedex
Expected elements 'weightsou...@http://fedex.com/ws/rate/v7 
dimensi...@http://fedex.com/ws/rate/v7 
physicalpackag...@http://fedex.com/ws/rate/v7 
itemdescript...@http://fedex.com/ws/rate/v7 
customerreferen...@http://fedex.com/ws/rate/v7 
specialservicesreques...@http://fedex.com/ws/rate/v7 
contentreco...@http://fedex.com/ws/rate/v7' instead of 
'sequencenum...@http://fedex.com/ws/rate/v7' here in element 
requestedpackagelineit...@http://fedex.com/ws/rate/v7




~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329834
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

Consume Web Service In Coldfusion Error

[Matt G]

I'm having a problem using cfinvoke or adding this web service url in the 
coldfusion admin.

 
http://www.fortedata.com:8080/axis2/services/FdsWebService?wsdl"; 
refreshwsdl="yes" method="PostLead">

 
 
I get the error for cfinvoke

 
"Cannot generate stub objects for web service invocation. "

 
"Name:

http://www.fortedata.com:8080/axis2/services/FdsWebService?wsdl. WSDL:

http://www.fortedata.com:8080/axis2/services/FdsWebService?wsdl. 
java.io.IOException: ERROR: Missing element inFault "SQLException" in operation 
"SQLException", in binding GetRates It is recommended that you use a web 
browser to retrieve and examine the requested WSDL document to ensure it is 
correct. If the requested WSDL document cannot be retrieved or is dynamically 
generated, it is likely that the target web service has programming errors. "

 
and in the administrator

 
""Error creating web service. Please ensure that you have entered a correct Web 
Service name or URL.""

 
The url is  

 
http://www.fortedata.com:8080/axis2/services/FdsWebService?wsdl

 
page loads fine in a browser...

 
 
I do see an issue being brought up here in the wsdl, but I have no idea 
why...this isnt my wsdl btw..

 

 



line 3

any ideas?

 
Thanks for any help...


~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329833
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

Re: (ot) ColdFusion as Best Bowhunting Product

[Gerald Guido]

>
> Enterprise Edition, I assume.
>

If there ever was an Enterprise grade yoyo it surely would be the Cold
Fusion yoyo.

It's a very nice yoyo.
>

Indeed.

G!



On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:32 AM,  wrote:

>
> Enterprise Edition, I assume.  It can be deployed anywhere.
>
> ~Brad
>
>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: (ot) ColdFusion as Best Bowhunting Product
> From: Dave Watts 
> Date: Wed, January 20, 2010 9:36 am
> To: cf-talk 
>
>
> >> Here's my favorite non-Adobe "Cold Fusion" product:
> >> http://www.theyoyostore.com/coldfusionyoyo.html
> >>
> >
> > $100 for a yoyo? Dayyymn. And I thought Adobe CF was pricey.
>
> It's a very nice yoyo.
>
>
>
> 

~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329832
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

RE: FedEx web service

[Chad Gray]

Leigh, have you ever tried to do multiple boxes in this CFFedExRates CFC?

I structured the package data like this.

LIST
2
INDIVIDUAL_PACKAGES

1

USD
100


LB
50

2

USD
100


LB
25



Here is the error from fedex
Expected elements 'weightsou...@http://fedex.com/ws/rate/v7 
dimensi...@http://fedex.com/ws/rate/v7 
physicalpackag...@http://fedex.com/ws/rate/v7 
itemdescript...@http://fedex.com/ws/rate/v7 
customerreferen...@http://fedex.com/ws/rate/v7 
specialservicesreques...@http://fedex.com/ws/rate/v7 
contentreco...@http://fedex.com/ws/rate/v7' instead of 
'sequencenum...@http://fedex.com/ws/rate/v7' here in element 
requestedpackagelineit...@http://fedex.com/ws/rate/v7


~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329831
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

RE: (ot) ColdFusion as Best Bowhunting Product

[brad]

Enterprise Edition, I assume.  It can be deployed anywhere.

~Brad

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: (ot) ColdFusion as Best Bowhunting Product
From: Dave Watts 
Date: Wed, January 20, 2010 9:36 am
To: cf-talk 


>> Here's my favorite non-Adobe "Cold Fusion" product:
>> http://www.theyoyostore.com/coldfusionyoyo.html
>>
>
> $100 for a yoyo? Dayyymn. And I thought Adobe CF was pricey.

It's a very nice yoyo.



~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329830
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

Re: (ot) ColdFusion as Best Bowhunting Product

[Dave Watts]

>> Here's my favorite non-Adobe "Cold Fusion" product:
>> http://www.theyoyostore.com/coldfusionyoyo.html
>>
>
> $100 for a yoyo? Dayyymn. And I thought Adobe CF was pricey.

It's a very nice yoyo.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/

Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on
GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite.

~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329829
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4

RE: FedEx web service

[Chad Gray]

I am switching to CFFedExRates like you recommended.
http://code.google.com/p/cffedexrates/

Seems more stable to FedEx's changes.

I just need to tweak it to do multiple boxes.


-Original Message-
From: Leigh [mailto:cfsearch...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 7:17 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: FedEx web service


>  faultString: org.xml.sax.SAXException: Invalid element in
> com.fedex.ws.rate.v6.ShipmentRateDetail - MinimumChargeType

Did you try using GetSoapResponse()? Does it give you any more details, like a 
value perhaps? 


  



~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329828
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4

Re: (ot) ColdFusion as Best Bowhunting Product

[Gerald Guido]

>
> Here's my favorite non-Adobe "Cold Fusion" product:
> http://www.theyoyostore.com/coldfusionyoyo.html
>

$100 for a yoyo? Dayyymn. And I thought Adobe CF was pricey.

G!


On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Dave Watts  wrote:

>
> > This made me smile:
> >
> http://www.bowhunting.com/blog/post/2010/01/19/10-Best-Bowhunting-Products-for-2010.aspx
> >
> > "New for 2010 ScentBlocker is debuting a new technology called
> ColdFusion,
> > which actually bonds the activated carbon to the fabric of their
> garments,
> > making it more effective at stopping human odor from ruining your hunt."
>
> Here's my favorite non-Adobe "Cold Fusion" product:
> http://www.theyoyostore.com/coldfusionyoyo.html
>


-- 
Gerald Guido
http://www.myinternetisbroken.com

"Wait. We can't stop here. This is bat country."
-- HST


~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329827
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4

Re: (ot) ColdFusion as Best Bowhunting Product

[Scott Brady]

Given how dissimilar the products are, they'd have a hard time winning
that case.  A trademark doesn't usually cover all products in all
markets -- assuming the logo for this product doesn't include a
lightning bolt. :)

Scott

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Scott Stewart
 wrote:
>
> What is that barking, could it be Adobe's legal dogs being unleashed? :)
>
-- 
-
Scott Brady
http://www.scottbrady.net/

~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know 
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Archive: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329826
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4