Re: cfajax error
Leigh, you were right! That's what it was but the problem only reared it's ugly head with Access with Unicode.. Since I can't reinstall CF on our prod box your solution saved me from having to replicate the DB in Oracle and then alter the queries to match. This app may not even be used much more so unless I absolutely had to, I didn't want to rewrite it. I appreciate it! On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 9:59 AM, wrote: line 53* Do not take the line number as a hint. When there is an error in a query, the error is returned by the driver and CF doesn't know which line caused the error. It will indicate any line in the query. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348699 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF AJAX controls not rendering?
This might be caused by the persitent cache in bug in Explorer. I put these lines in the template called by the Ajax function, and the problem is solved. cfheader name=Cache-Control value=no-store / cfheader name=Pragma value=no-cache / cfheader name=Expires value=Tue, 16 Oct 1973 00:00:00 GMT / ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348700 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Adobe Abandons Flex
Adobe announced this week that they are ending their commitment to further Flex development. Flex 4.6 will likely be the last version Adobe releases and the Flex SDK engineers will be reassigned to HTML 5 projects. Future Flex development will come from the open source community. The announcement is here: http://blogs.adobe.com/flex/2011/11/your-questions-about-flex.html A petition asking the Adobe CEO to step down is here: http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-shantanu-narayen-to-step-down-as-ceo -Mike ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348701 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
CF 9 Installation error
Hi, I am trying to install CF 9 on Win 2k8 but end up getting invocationTargetException as soon as the Installer extracts the files. I had Java 1.6 update 29 installed on the machine. I am getting the same error even after uninstalling the Java installed on the machine. Anyone out there encountered a similar situation? Thanks -Imad ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348702 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Which mobile development platform is best?
We start developing a mobile application for IOS, Android, BB, Windows, to be available in various app stores. We are wondering which development platforms we should chose based on ease of use, time-to-market, costs, scalability. Technical requirements include: geo location detection, integration to databases in cloud, real-time data transfer Please let me know your preferences, as this is really a strategic decision. Also, do you know of mobile app developers who can set up a small app as 'BETA'? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348703 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF 9 Installation error
try to clean up the directory to which the installer is trying to extract the JRE, for example, /tmp. On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Mohammed Hasan imadhas...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am trying to install CF 9 on Win 2k8 but end up getting invocationTargetException as soon as the Installer extracts the files. I had Java 1.6 update 29 installed on the machine. I am getting the same error even after uninstalling the Java installed on the machine. Anyone out there encountered a similar situation? Thanks -Imad ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348704 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
Hasn't the flex SDK *always* been open source? I think this last line contradicts your statement Is Adobe still committed to Flash Builder? Yes. Flash Builder will continue to be developed and Adobe will work to ensure Flex developers can use Flash Builder as their development tool with future releases of Flex SDK. on a personal note: Can we all take a step back, grab a deep breath and assess the situation in it's entirety before jumping to doomsday conclusions? The only thing I've seen that's concrete so far is that Adobe is dumping direct development of the Flash plugin for mobile environments. Their answer (IMO) wrap your Flash in the AIR SDK. ColdFusion is still alive and well Flex is still alive and well Flex Builder is still alive and well This gets old and we're not winning any converts by being paranoid On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Mike Chabot mcha...@gmail.com wrote: Adobe announced this week that they are ending their commitment to further Flex development. Flex 4.6 will likely be the last version Adobe releases and the Flex SDK engineers will be reassigned to HTML 5 projects. Future Flex development will come from the open source community. The announcement is here: http://blogs.adobe.com/flex/2011/11/your-questions-about-flex.html A petition asking the Adobe CEO to step down is here: http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-shantanu-narayen-to-step-down-as-ceo -Mike ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348705 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Which mobile development platform is best?
Adobe AIR should fit the bill nicelyand FYI some of your requirements have nothing to do with the platform On Tue, 2011-11-15 at 10:22 -0500, ViVO concepts wrote: We start developing a mobile application for IOS, Android, BB, Windows, to be available in various app stores. We are wondering which development platforms we should chose based on ease of use, time-to-market, costs, scalability. Technical requirements include: geo location detection, integration to databases in cloud, real-time data transfer Please let me know your preferences, as this is really a strategic decision. Also, do you know of mobile app developers who can set up a small app as 'BETA'? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348706 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CF 9 Installation error
Are you in the OS with Administrative privledges? On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Mohammed Hasan imadhas...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am trying to install CF 9 on Win 2k8 but end up getting invocationTargetException as soon as the Installer extracts the files. I had Java 1.6 update 29 installed on the machine. I am getting the same error even after uninstalling the Java installed on the machine. Anyone out there encountered a similar situation? Thanks -Imad ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348707 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
CF is indeed alive and well. Flex? Flash? Nopers. Done. Be sure to read the portions from Adobe where they clearly state that for all future enterprise development THEY recommend HTML5 and NOT Flash/Flex. On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Scott Stewart webmas...@sstwebworks.comwrote: Hasn't the flex SDK *always* been open source? I think this last line contradicts your statement Is Adobe still committed to Flash Builder? Yes. Flash Builder will continue to be developed and Adobe will work to ensure Flex developers can use Flash Builder as their development tool with future releases of Flex SDK. on a personal note: Can we all take a step back, grab a deep breath and assess the situation in it's entirety before jumping to doomsday conclusions? The only thing I've seen that's concrete so far is that Adobe is dumping direct development of the Flash plugin for mobile environments. Their answer (IMO) wrap your Flash in the AIR SDK. ColdFusion is still alive and well Flex is still alive and well Flex Builder is still alive and well This gets old and we're not winning any converts by being paranoid On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Mike Chabot mcha...@gmail.com wrote: Adobe announced this week that they are ending their commitment to further Flex development. Flex 4.6 will likely be the last version Adobe releases and the Flex SDK engineers will be reassigned to HTML 5 projects. Future Flex development will come from the open source community. The announcement is here: http://blogs.adobe.com/flex/2011/11/your-questions-about-flex.html A petition asking the Adobe CEO to step down is here: http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-shantanu-narayen-to-step-down-as-ceo -Mike ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348708 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
I suggest everyone read the article behind the link Mike posted. No offence Mike, but you may have paraphrased a little too much there (or it's my own interpretation) ;-) I read it as Flexhas NOT been adondonded and will continue on for some timesome of the Flex SDK engineers will be part of the open source move Flash Builder 4.6 will be upgraded to work with new versions of the SDK. Nice catchy subject thoughgood for trolling and flame warsgot me to read ;-) Cheers On Mon, 2011-11-14 at 15:18 -0500, Mike Chabot wrote: Adobe announced this week that they are ending their commitment to further Flex development. Flex 4.6 will likely be the last version Adobe releases and the Flex SDK engineers will be reassigned to HTML 5 projects. Future Flex development will come from the open source community. The announcement is here: http://blogs.adobe.com/flex/2011/11/your-questions-about-flex.html A petition asking the Adobe CEO to step down is here: http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-shantanu-narayen-to-step-down-as-ceo -Mike ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348709 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
So are they going to try to force adoption of new browsers? I can tell you that in the Federal sector this won't wash.. (says me working from my federal Win XP IE 8 machine). HTML 5 is very cool, but it's World Dominance is greatly exaggerated. On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.com wrote: CF is indeed alive and well. Flex? Flash? Nopers. Done. Be sure to read the portions from Adobe where they clearly state that for all future enterprise development THEY recommend HTML5 and NOT Flash/Flex. On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Scott Stewart webmas...@sstwebworks.comwrote: Hasn't the flex SDK *always* been open source? I think this last line contradicts your statement Is Adobe still committed to Flash Builder? Yes. Flash Builder will continue to be developed and Adobe will work to ensure Flex developers can use Flash Builder as their development tool with future releases of Flex SDK. on a personal note: Can we all take a step back, grab a deep breath and assess the situation in it's entirety before jumping to doomsday conclusions? The only thing I've seen that's concrete so far is that Adobe is dumping direct development of the Flash plugin for mobile environments. Their answer (IMO) wrap your Flash in the AIR SDK. ColdFusion is still alive and well Flex is still alive and well Flex Builder is still alive and well This gets old and we're not winning any converts by being paranoid On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Mike Chabot mcha...@gmail.com wrote: Adobe announced this week that they are ending their commitment to further Flex development. Flex 4.6 will likely be the last version Adobe releases and the Flex SDK engineers will be reassigned to HTML 5 projects. Future Flex development will come from the open source community. The announcement is here: http://blogs.adobe.com/flex/2011/11/your-questions-about-flex.html A petition asking the Adobe CEO to step down is here: http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-shantanu-narayen-to-step-down-as-ceo -Mike ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348710 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
Everything else you said aside Scottfree does not mean open source The Flex SDK has been free Cheers On Tue, 2011-11-15 at 15:02 -0500, Scott Stewart wrote: Hasn't the flex SDK *always* been open source? I think this last line contradicts your statement Is Adobe still committed to Flash Builder? Yes. Flash Builder will continue to be developed and Adobe will work to ensure Flex developers can use Flash Builder as their development tool with future releases of Flex SDK. on a personal note: Can we all take a step back, grab a deep breath and assess the situation in it's entirety before jumping to doomsday conclusions? The only thing I've seen that's concrete so far is that Adobe is dumping direct development of the Flash plugin for mobile environments. Their answer (IMO) wrap your Flash in the AIR SDK. ColdFusion is still alive and well Flex is still alive and well Flex Builder is still alive and well This gets old and we're not winning any converts by being paranoid ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348711 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
CFHTTP and Amazons dynamic Load Balancer tool
We are trying to post information to an API on A3 with their dynamic Load Balancer tool. The issue is that the IP constantly change and CF is caching the DNS so it is failing with a connection failure all the time. Does anyone have a solution to this - I have asked the client to set up a subdomain and a static IP address but they are not happy doing that since it is under an ssl and they do not want to pay for another CERT. Any help would be great. Thanks Matt Friedman - Life is to short to drink cheep beer! ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348712 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: MS Word Formatted text in DB not displaying correctly on output
You may also need to link in the original style sheet. At 01:05 PM 11/10/2011, you wrote: hmmm...let me try that. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348713 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
picky, picky picky :) but yeah your right... On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Bryan Stevenson br...@electricedgesystems.com wrote: Everything else you said aside Scottfree does not mean open source The Flex SDK has been free Cheers On Tue, 2011-11-15 at 15:02 -0500, Scott Stewart wrote: Hasn't the flex SDK *always* been open source? I think this last line contradicts your statement Is Adobe still committed to Flash Builder? Yes. Flash Builder will continue to be developed and Adobe will work to ensure Flex developers can use Flash Builder as their development tool with future releases of Flex SDK. on a personal note: Can we all take a step back, grab a deep breath and assess the situation in it's entirety before jumping to doomsday conclusions? The only thing I've seen that's concrete so far is that Adobe is dumping direct development of the Flash plugin for mobile environments. Their answer (IMO) wrap your Flash in the AIR SDK. ColdFusion is still alive and well Flex is still alive and well Flex Builder is still alive and well This gets old and we're not winning any converts by being paranoid ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348714 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
LOL...sorry manwhen the flames are getting ready to riseaccuracy counts ;-) On Tue, 2011-11-15 at 15:12 -0500, Scott Stewart wrote: picky, picky picky :) but yeah your right... -- Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: br...@electricedgesystems.com web: www.electricedgesystems.com Notice: This message, including any attachments, is confidential and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed unless expressly authorized otherwise by the sender. If you are not an authorized recipient, please notify the sender immediately and permanently destroy all copies of this message and attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348715 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
You're Fed, and you have IE8? Man, you are lucky... Steve 'Cutter' Blades Adobe Community Professional Adobe Certified Expert Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer http://cutterscrossing.com Co-Author Learning Ext JS 3.2 Packt Publishing 2010 https://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js-3-2-for-building-dynamic-desktop-style-user-interfaces/book The best way to predict the future is to help create it On 11/15/2011 3:09 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: So are they going to try to force adoption of new browsers? I can tell you that in the Federal sector this won't wash.. (says me working from my federal Win XP IE 8 machine). HTML 5 is very cool, but it's World Dominance is greatly exaggerated. On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Matt Quackenbushquackfu...@gmail.com wrote: CF is indeed alive and well. Flex? Flash? Nopers. Done. Be sure to read the portions from Adobe where they clearly state that for all future enterprise development THEY recommend HTML5 and NOT Flash/Flex. On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Scott Stewartwebmas...@sstwebworks.comwrote: Hasn't the flex SDK *always* been open source? I think this last line contradicts your statement Is Adobe still committed to Flash Builder? Yes. Flash Builder will continue to be developed and Adobe will work to ensure Flex developers can use Flash Builder as their development tool with future releases of Flex SDK. on a personal note: Can we all take a step back, grab a deep breath and assess the situation in it's entirety before jumping to doomsday conclusions? The only thing I've seen that's concrete so far is that Adobe is dumping direct development of the Flash plugin for mobile environments. Their answer (IMO) wrap your Flash in the AIR SDK. ColdFusion is still alive and well Flex is still alive and well Flex Builder is still alive and well This gets old and we're not winning any converts by being paranoid On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Mike Chabotmcha...@gmail.com wrote: Adobe announced this week that they are ending their commitment to further Flex development. Flex 4.6 will likely be the last version Adobe releases and the Flex SDK engineers will be reassigned to HTML 5 projects. Future Flex development will come from the open source community. The announcement is here: http://blogs.adobe.com/flex/2011/11/your-questions-about-flex.html A petition asking the Adobe CEO to step down is here: http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-shantanu-narayen-to-step-down-as-ceo -Mike ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348716 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
Contractor... so I get the hand me downs On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Steve 'Cutter' Blades cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com wrote: You're Fed, and you have IE8? Man, you are lucky... Steve 'Cutter' Blades Adobe Community Professional Adobe Certified Expert Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer http://cutterscrossing.com Co-Author Learning Ext JS 3.2 Packt Publishing 2010 https://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js-3-2-for-building-dynamic-desktop-style-user-interfaces/book The best way to predict the future is to help create it On 11/15/2011 3:09 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: So are they going to try to force adoption of new browsers? I can tell you that in the Federal sector this won't wash.. (says me working from my federal Win XP IE 8 machine). HTML 5 is very cool, but it's World Dominance is greatly exaggerated. On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Matt Quackenbushquackfu...@gmail.com wrote: CF is indeed alive and well. Flex? Flash? Nopers. Done. Be sure to read the portions from Adobe where they clearly state that for all future enterprise development THEY recommend HTML5 and NOT Flash/Flex. On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Scott Stewartwebmas...@sstwebworks.comwrote: Hasn't the flex SDK *always* been open source? I think this last line contradicts your statement Is Adobe still committed to Flash Builder? Yes. Flash Builder will continue to be developed and Adobe will work to ensure Flex developers can use Flash Builder as their development tool with future releases of Flex SDK. on a personal note: Can we all take a step back, grab a deep breath and assess the situation in it's entirety before jumping to doomsday conclusions? The only thing I've seen that's concrete so far is that Adobe is dumping direct development of the Flash plugin for mobile environments. Their answer (IMO) wrap your Flash in the AIR SDK. ColdFusion is still alive and well Flex is still alive and well Flex Builder is still alive and well This gets old and we're not winning any converts by being paranoid On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Mike Chabotmcha...@gmail.com wrote: Adobe announced this week that they are ending their commitment to further Flex development. Flex 4.6 will likely be the last version Adobe releases and the Flex SDK engineers will be reassigned to HTML 5 projects. Future Flex development will come from the open source community. The announcement is here: http://blogs.adobe.com/flex/2011/11/your-questions-about-flex.html A petition asking the Adobe CEO to step down is here: http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-shantanu-narayen-to-step-down-as-ceo -Mike ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348717 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
Everything else you said aside Scottfree does not mean open source The Flex SDK has been free I'm pretty sure it's always been open-source as well. You can certainly trace into source code of classes within the Flex class library. And the Flex SDK has always been available from here: http://opensource.adobe.com/wiki/display/flexsdk/Flex+SDK Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348718 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
It became open source in version 3 I believe. It's been that way for quite a while now. -Jake On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: Everything else you said aside Scottfree does not mean open source The Flex SDK has been free I'm pretty sure it's always been open-source as well. You can certainly trace into source code of classes within the Flex class library. And the Flex SDK has always been available from here: http://opensource.adobe.com/wiki/display/flexsdk/Flex+SDK Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348719 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
I'll always bow to your wisdom Davenever saw that before ;-) On Tue, 2011-11-15 at 15:45 -0500, Dave Watts wrote: Everything else you said aside Scottfree does not mean open source The Flex SDK has been free I'm pretty sure it's always been open-source as well. You can certainly trace into source code of classes within the Flex class library. And the Flex SDK has always been available from here: http://opensource.adobe.com/wiki/display/flexsdk/Flex+SDK Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348720 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CFHTTP and Amazons dynamic Load Balancer tool
We are trying to post information to an API on A3 with their dynamic Load Balancer tool. The issue is that the IP constantly change and CF is caching the DNS so it is failing with a connection failure all the time. Does anyone have a solution to this - I have asked the client to set up a subdomain and a static IP address but they are not happy doing that since it is under an ssl and they do not want to pay for another CERT. Maybe you can disable DNS caching entirely for the JVM: http://download.oracle.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/net/InetAddress.html Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348721 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
HTML 5 is very cool, but it's World Dominance is greatly exaggerated. None the less I am boning up on HTML5 CSS3 JS etc. MS is betting heavily on HTML5 (Windows 8 is going to have a HTML5/CSS3/JS based UI) as is Google. Right now, according to my (extremely unscientific) estimates about 40-60% of the browser market supports at least some of the HTML5 spec (Basically everything except IE8 and below). Not to mention that XP's EOL is 04/14 so it is not that far off. I have been playing with Adobe Edge, the HTML5 animation tool and it is pretty freaking impressive at to what it can do with HTML/CSS/JS. It is a lot like Flash Pro. G! On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Scott Stewart webmas...@sstwebworks.comwrote: So are they going to try to force adoption of new browsers? I can tell you that in the Federal sector this won't wash.. (says me working from my federal Win XP IE 8 machine). HTML 5 is very cool, but it's World Dominance is greatly exaggerated. On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.com wrote: CF is indeed alive and well. Flex? Flash? Nopers. Done. Be sure to read the portions from Adobe where they clearly state that for all future enterprise development THEY recommend HTML5 and NOT Flash/Flex. On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Scott Stewart webmas...@sstwebworks.comwrote: Hasn't the flex SDK *always* been open source? I think this last line contradicts your statement Is Adobe still committed to Flash Builder? Yes. Flash Builder will continue to be developed and Adobe will work to ensure Flex developers can use Flash Builder as their development tool with future releases of Flex SDK. on a personal note: Can we all take a step back, grab a deep breath and assess the situation in it's entirety before jumping to doomsday conclusions? The only thing I've seen that's concrete so far is that Adobe is dumping direct development of the Flash plugin for mobile environments. Their answer (IMO) wrap your Flash in the AIR SDK. ColdFusion is still alive and well Flex is still alive and well Flex Builder is still alive and well This gets old and we're not winning any converts by being paranoid On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Mike Chabot mcha...@gmail.com wrote: Adobe announced this week that they are ending their commitment to further Flex development. Flex 4.6 will likely be the last version Adobe releases and the Flex SDK engineers will be reassigned to HTML 5 projects. Future Flex development will come from the open source community. The announcement is here: http://blogs.adobe.com/flex/2011/11/your-questions-about-flex.html A petition asking the Adobe CEO to step down is here: http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-shantanu-narayen-to-step-down-as-ceo -Mike ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348722 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
don't get me wrong, so am I but at the same time the HTML 4 world isn't going away anytime soon.. and it still needs to be supported. On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Gerald Guido gerald.gu...@gmail.com wrote: HTML 5 is very cool, but it's World Dominance is greatly exaggerated. None the less I am boning up on HTML5 CSS3 JS etc. MS is betting heavily on HTML5 (Windows 8 is going to have a HTML5/CSS3/JS based UI) as is Google. Right now, according to my (extremely unscientific) estimates about 40-60% of the browser market supports at least some of the HTML5 spec (Basically everything except IE8 and below). Not to mention that XP's EOL is 04/14 so it is not that far off. I have been playing with Adobe Edge, the HTML5 animation tool and it is pretty freaking impressive at to what it can do with HTML/CSS/JS. It is a lot like Flash Pro. G! On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Scott Stewart webmas...@sstwebworks.comwrote: So are they going to try to force adoption of new browsers? I can tell you that in the Federal sector this won't wash.. (says me working from my federal Win XP IE 8 machine). HTML 5 is very cool, but it's World Dominance is greatly exaggerated. On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.com wrote: CF is indeed alive and well. Flex? Flash? Nopers. Done. Be sure to read the portions from Adobe where they clearly state that for all future enterprise development THEY recommend HTML5 and NOT Flash/Flex. On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Scott Stewart webmas...@sstwebworks.comwrote: Hasn't the flex SDK *always* been open source? I think this last line contradicts your statement Is Adobe still committed to Flash Builder? Yes. Flash Builder will continue to be developed and Adobe will work to ensure Flex developers can use Flash Builder as their development tool with future releases of Flex SDK. on a personal note: Can we all take a step back, grab a deep breath and assess the situation in it's entirety before jumping to doomsday conclusions? The only thing I've seen that's concrete so far is that Adobe is dumping direct development of the Flash plugin for mobile environments. Their answer (IMO) wrap your Flash in the AIR SDK. ColdFusion is still alive and well Flex is still alive and well Flex Builder is still alive and well This gets old and we're not winning any converts by being paranoid On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Mike Chabot mcha...@gmail.com wrote: Adobe announced this week that they are ending their commitment to further Flex development. Flex 4.6 will likely be the last version Adobe releases and the Flex SDK engineers will be reassigned to HTML 5 projects. Future Flex development will come from the open source community. The announcement is here: http://blogs.adobe.com/flex/2011/11/your-questions-about-flex.html A petition asking the Adobe CEO to step down is here: http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-shantanu-narayen-to-step-down-as-ceo -Mike ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348723 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
Open source is a phrase that can have a few interpretations. In this case it means Adobe is not going to devote any more company resources into future development. I think the outcome will be the same as what happened to Spectra, unless the Flex community convinces Adobe to change their mind. I would guess that development of Flex is very expensive and Adobe was not selling enough licenses of Flash Builder to cover the cost of the Flex SDK software engineers. -Mike ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348724 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Scott Stewart webmas...@sstwebworks.comwrote: don't get me wrong, so am I but at the same time the HTML 4 world isn't going away anytime soon.. and it still needs to be supported. I did not mean to infer you were or weren't or what ever the case may be. :) We are a IE shop so I understand fully (and painfully). Over the last few years more and more of my logic has been moving client side. I spend more time writing JS than anythig else. From where I stand, all roads point to JS, G! -- Gerald Guido http://www.myinternetisbroken.com -- We all shine on. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348725 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
Open source is a phrase that can have a few interpretations. In this case it means Adobe is not going to devote any more company resources into future development. I think the outcome will be the same as what happened to Spectra, unless the Flex community convinces Adobe to change their mind. I would guess that development of Flex is very expensive and Adobe was not selling enough licenses of Flash Builder to cover the cost of the Flex SDK software engineers. This doesn't entirely make sense to me, though - they're not getting rid of Flash Builder. I also suspect that they'll subsidize some of the open-source development, as they've done many times in the past - the Ajax library in CF is open-source, but several of the developers on it were paid by Macromedia (at the time) to work on it. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348726 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
Everything else you said aside Scottfree does not mean open source The Flex SDK has been free I'm pretty sure it's always been open-source as well. You can certainly trace into source code of classes within the Flex class library. And the Flex SDK has always been available from here: http://opensource.adobe.com/wiki/display/flexsdk/Flex+SDK It became open source in version 3 I believe. It's been that way for quite a while now. I think you're right about that. There wasn't really an SDK at all for version 1, which was server-side only, and I don't think that the version 2 SDK was open-source. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348727 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
They say they are assigning some Flex SDK engineers to the open source team...did we read the same announcement?? On Tue, 2011-11-15 at 16:08 -0500, Mike Chabot wrote: Open source is a phrase that can have a few interpretations. In this case it means Adobe is not going to devote any more company resources into future development. I think the outcome will be the same as what happened to Spectra, unless the Flex community convinces Adobe to change their mind. I would guess that development of Flex is very expensive and Adobe was not selling enough licenses of Flash Builder to cover the cost of the Flex SDK software engineers. -Mike ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348728 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Which mobile development platform is best?
Also, do you know of mobile app developers who can set up a small app as 'BETA'? What do you mean by this? If you mean, do you know of mobile app developers who will work for free on contingency - no, I don't. If I did, they'd be called suckers. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348729 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
exactlythis all seems too soon on Adobe's part ...but learning what's coming is always wise On Tue, 2011-11-15 at 16:08 -0500, Scott Stewart wrote: don't get me wrong, so am I but at the same time the HTML 4 world isn't going away anytime soon.. and it still needs to be supported. -- Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: br...@electricedgesystems.com web: www.electricedgesystems.com Notice: This message, including any attachments, is confidential and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed unless expressly authorized otherwise by the sender. If you are not an authorized recipient, please notify the sender immediately and permanently destroy all copies of this message and attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348730 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
You have to look through the corporate spin put on that announcement. Adobe is trying to make a bad event sound positive. When they write yes they actually mean no. The abandonment of Spectra was accompanied by a rosy news release and claims of This is fantastic news! Spectra quickly died. Would a software architect choose Flex for a new $1M enterprise development project when Apple, Microsoft, Google, and now Adobe have all come out saying that HTML 5 is the future for RIA development? A big target of Flex is the enterprise market where Web applications cost hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars to build, often with multi-year development timelines and large project teams. I don't think many large companies will be willing to roll the dice on Flex or Flash for future large projects with Adobe making statements like the ones they made in the past week. -Mike On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Bryan Stevenson br...@electricedgesystems.com wrote: They say they are assigning some Flex SDK engineers to the open source team...did we read the same announcement?? On Tue, 2011-11-15 at 16:08 -0500, Mike Chabot wrote: Open source is a phrase that can have a few interpretations. In this case it means Adobe is not going to devote any more company resources into future development. I think the outcome will be the same as what happened to Spectra, unless the Flex community convinces Adobe to change their mind. I would guess that development of Flex is very expensive and Adobe was not selling enough licenses of Flash Builder to cover the cost of the Flex SDK software engineers. -Mike ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348731 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: This doesn't entirely make sense to me, though - they're not getting rid of Flash Builder. I also suspect that they'll subsidize some of the open-source development, as they've done many times in the past - the Ajax library in CF is open-source, but several of the developers on it were paid by Macromedia (at the time) to work on it. The CF javascript libraries for UI work (cfdiv, cfwindow, etc) were based on the ExtJS library (which then merged with Sencha). Adobe/Macromedia, as far as I'm aware, never contributed any work to that project but did license it. Going forward, it is my understanding that Adobe is getting more of the JQuery love in its life and they have definitely contributed resources to some of those projects, JQuery Mobile in particular. The Railo community implementation of the equivalent CF UI functions such as cfwindow are based on the JQuery library (and were done by Andrea Campolonghi). I expect Adobe to likely move to JQuery-based components in the future given their investment in JQuery Mobile. Cheers, Judah ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348732 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
+1 to corporate spin And no, no one in their right mind would invest in a **NEW** Flex/Flash application. From the Adobe page: /snip *Does Adobe recommend we use Flex or HTML5 for our enterprise application development?* In the long-term, we believe HTML5 will be the best technology for enterprise application development. We also know that, currently, Flex has clear benefits for large-scale client projects typically associated with desktop application profiles. Given our experiences innovating on Flex, we are extremely well positioned to positively contribute to the advancement of HTML5 development, starting with mobile applications. In fact, many of the engineers and product managers who worked on Flex SDK will be moving to work on our HTML efforts. We will continue making significant contributions to open web technologies like WebKit jQuery, advance the development of PhoneGap and create new tools that solve the challenges developers face when building applications with HTML5. /snip That said, obviously someone with _an existing_ Flex/Flash application is not going to just throw it away immediately. But there is no way they will build new stuff with it. On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Mike Chabot mcha...@gmail.com wrote: You have to look through the corporate spin put on that announcement. Adobe is trying to make a bad event sound positive. When they write yes they actually mean no. The abandonment of Spectra was accompanied by a rosy news release and claims of This is fantastic news! Spectra quickly died. Would a software architect choose Flex for a new $1M enterprise development project when Apple, Microsoft, Google, and now Adobe have all come out saying that HTML 5 is the future for RIA development? A big target of Flex is the enterprise market where Web applications cost hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars to build, often with multi-year development timelines and large project teams. I don't think many large companies will be willing to roll the dice on Flex or Flash for future large projects with Adobe making statements like the ones they made in the past week. -Mike On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Bryan Stevenson br...@electricedgesystems.com wrote: They say they are assigning some Flex SDK engineers to the open source team...did we read the same announcement?? On Tue, 2011-11-15 at 16:08 -0500, Mike Chabot wrote: Open source is a phrase that can have a few interpretations. In this case it means Adobe is not going to devote any more company resources into future development. I think the outcome will be the same as what happened to Spectra, unless the Flex community convinces Adobe to change their mind. I would guess that development of Flex is very expensive and Adobe was not selling enough licenses of Flash Builder to cover the cost of the Flex SDK software engineers. -Mike ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348733 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
The abandonment of Spectra was accompanied by a rosy news release and claims of This is fantastic news! Spectra quickly died. That was fantastic news! (not a Spectra fan here, but j/k I guess) Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348734 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
I don't know - this all seems so premature. It's not like HTML5 is 100% ready for primetime. I think of some of the stuff I do with Flex and HTML/JS seems much weaker as a programming language. A key phrase in the post was 'in the long run'. I don't see HTML/JS being stronger than Flex for enterprise development for some time to come. On Nov 15, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Gerald Guido wrote: HTML 5 is very cool, but it's World Dominance is greatly exaggerated. None the less I am boning up on HTML5 CSS3 JS etc. MS is betting heavily on HTML5 (Windows 8 is going to have a HTML5/CSS3/JS based UI) as is Google. Right now, according to my (extremely unscientific) estimates about 40-60% of the browser market supports at least some of the HTML5 spec (Basically everything except IE8 and below). Not to mention that XP's EOL is 04/14 so it is not that far off. I have been playing with Adobe Edge, the HTML5 animation tool and it is pretty freaking impressive at to what it can do with HTML/CSS/JS. It is a lot like Flash Pro. G! On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Scott Stewart webmas...@sstwebworks.comwrote: So are they going to try to force adoption of new browsers? I can tell you that in the Federal sector this won't wash.. (says me working from my federal Win XP IE 8 machine). HTML 5 is very cool, but it's World Dominance is greatly exaggerated. On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.com wrote: CF is indeed alive and well. Flex? Flash? Nopers. Done. Be sure to read the portions from Adobe where they clearly state that for all future enterprise development THEY recommend HTML5 and NOT Flash/Flex. On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Scott Stewart webmas...@sstwebworks.comwrote: Hasn't the flex SDK *always* been open source? I think this last line contradicts your statement Is Adobe still committed to Flash Builder? Yes. Flash Builder will continue to be developed and Adobe will work to ensure Flex developers can use Flash Builder as their development tool with future releases of Flex SDK. on a personal note: Can we all take a step back, grab a deep breath and assess the situation in it's entirety before jumping to doomsday conclusions? The only thing I've seen that's concrete so far is that Adobe is dumping direct development of the Flash plugin for mobile environments. Their answer (IMO) wrap your Flash in the AIR SDK. ColdFusion is still alive and well Flex is still alive and well Flex Builder is still alive and well This gets old and we're not winning any converts by being paranoid On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Mike Chabot mcha...@gmail.com wrote: Adobe announced this week that they are ending their commitment to further Flex development. Flex 4.6 will likely be the last version Adobe releases and the Flex SDK engineers will be reassigned to HTML 5 projects. Future Flex development will come from the open source community. The announcement is here: http://blogs.adobe.com/flex/2011/11/your-questions-about-flex.html A petition asking the Adobe CEO to step down is here: http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-shantanu-narayen-to-step-down-as-ceo -Mike ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348735 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
I miss Spectra. Lots of expensive training lost in a moment. But working in WordPress brings back lots of memory of containers, and late nights tweaking nesting rules. Sigh. But a Flex question. If Adobe stops any further development on Flex, how likely is it that an open source group might continue to develop it? Jerry Milo Johnson On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 5:13 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: The abandonment of Spectra was accompanied by a rosy news release and claims of This is fantastic news! Spectra quickly died. That was fantastic news! (not a Spectra fan here, but j/k I guess) Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348736 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
*wakes up* Spectra? Did someone say Spectra? *back to sleep* On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson jmi...@gmail.com wrote: I miss Spectra. Lots of expensive training lost in a moment. But working in WordPress brings back lots of memory of containers, and late nights tweaking nesting rules. Sigh. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348737 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
it is my understanding that Adobe is getting more of the JQuery love in its life a I looked under the hood of Adobe Edge, the HTML5 animation tool and it uses jQuery and stores data for the animations as JSON. jQuery is wildly popular for good reason. In many ways it is like CFML, it makes hard things easy. Write less do more etc. Same concept in many ways... Like easy is a bad thing. G! On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: This doesn't entirely make sense to me, though - they're not getting rid of Flash Builder. I also suspect that they'll subsidize some of the open-source development, as they've done many times in the past - the Ajax library in CF is open-source, but several of the developers on it were paid by Macromedia (at the time) to work on it. The CF javascript libraries for UI work (cfdiv, cfwindow, etc) were based on the ExtJS library (which then merged with Sencha). Adobe/Macromedia, as far as I'm aware, never contributed any work to that project but did license it. Going forward, it is my understanding that Adobe is getting more of the JQuery love in its life and they have definitely contributed resources to some of those projects, JQuery Mobile in particular. The Railo community implementation of the equivalent CF UI functions such as cfwindow are based on the JQuery library (and were done by Andrea Campolonghi). I expect Adobe to likely move to JQuery-based components in the future given their investment in JQuery Mobile. Cheers, Judah ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348738 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
They updated the announcementmuch better: http://blogs.adobe.com/flex/2011/11/your-questions-about-flex.html On Mon, 2011-11-14 at 15:18 -0500, Mike Chabot wrote: http://blogs.adobe.com/flex/2011/11/your-questions-about-flex.html -- Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: br...@electricedgesystems.com web: www.electricedgesystems.com Notice: This message, including any attachments, is confidential and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed unless expressly authorized otherwise by the sender. If you are not an authorized recipient, please notify the sender immediately and permanently destroy all copies of this message and attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348739 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
We don't just use jQuery, we put engineering time into it - and jQuery UI and jQuery Mobile. That doesn't get enough press so spread the word. ;) On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Emmit Larson emmit.lar...@gmail.com wrote: it is my understanding that Adobe is getting more of the JQuery love in its life a I looked under the hood of Adobe Edge, the HTML5 animation tool and it uses jQuery and stores data for the animations as JSON. jQuery is wildly popular for good reason. In many ways it is like CFML, it makes hard things easy. Write less do more etc. Same concept in many ways... Like easy is a bad thing. G! On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: This doesn't entirely make sense to me, though - they're not getting rid of Flash Builder. I also suspect that they'll subsidize some of the open-source development, as they've done many times in the past - the Ajax library in CF is open-source, but several of the developers on it were paid by Macromedia (at the time) to work on it. The CF javascript libraries for UI work (cfdiv, cfwindow, etc) were based on the ExtJS library (which then merged with Sencha). Adobe/Macromedia, as far as I'm aware, never contributed any work to that project but did license it. Going forward, it is my understanding that Adobe is getting more of the JQuery love in its life and they have definitely contributed resources to some of those projects, JQuery Mobile in particular. The Railo community implementation of the equivalent CF UI functions such as cfwindow are based on the JQuery library (and were done by Andrea Campolonghi). I expect Adobe to likely move to JQuery-based components in the future given their investment in JQuery Mobile. Cheers, Judah ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348740 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
That's what I was saying, Ray :) On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.com wrote: We don't just use jQuery, we put engineering time into it - and jQuery UI and jQuery Mobile. That doesn't get enough press so spread the word. ;) On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Emmit Larson emmit.lar...@gmail.com wrote: it is my understanding that Adobe is getting more of the JQuery love in its life a I looked under the hood of Adobe Edge, the HTML5 animation tool and it uses jQuery and stores data for the animations as JSON. jQuery is wildly popular for good reason. In many ways it is like CFML, it makes hard things easy. Write less do more etc. Same concept in many ways... Like easy is a bad thing. G! On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: This doesn't entirely make sense to me, though - they're not getting rid of Flash Builder. I also suspect that they'll subsidize some of the open-source development, as they've done many times in the past - the Ajax library in CF is open-source, but several of the developers on it were paid by Macromedia (at the time) to work on it. The CF javascript libraries for UI work (cfdiv, cfwindow, etc) were based on the ExtJS library (which then merged with Sencha). Adobe/Macromedia, as far as I'm aware, never contributed any work to that project but did license it. Going forward, it is my understanding that Adobe is getting more of the JQuery love in its life and they have definitely contributed resources to some of those projects, JQuery Mobile in particular. The Railo community implementation of the equivalent CF UI functions such as cfwindow are based on the JQuery library (and were done by Andrea Campolonghi). I expect Adobe to likely move to JQuery-based components in the future given their investment in JQuery Mobile. Cheers, Judah ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348741 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
But a Flex question. If Adobe stops any further development on Flex, how likely is it that an open source group might continue to develop it? Well, lots of ASF projects do pretty well. But, they tend not to have that specific a focus - one of the things that a company can bring to development (and a committee often can't) is the ability to decide significant new directions pretty quickly. For example, moving from MX to Spark was a big change. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348742 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Abandons Flex
*wakes up* Spectra? Did someone say Spectra? *back to sleep* Spectra can also be used to summon shoggoths. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348743 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
