Re: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still?
After reading this thread, I got interested in text and code editors again. It seems to happen every two years or so. I download Topstyle 4. It is very similar to Homesite + and customizable. I think I will spend some more time investigating it. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:331727 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still?
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 1:06 PM, ben alembick wrote: ... Cfeclipses ftp isnt even worth considering, whats that all about. Probably something do to with the FTP server you're connecting to. Some windows servers implement it funk-illy, apparently. FTP just sucks, basically. I'm a sad panda whenever I'm forced to use it. The Remote System Explorer is pretty decent (you can use it for the local filesystem too), and the jsch SFTP plugin offers a deal that works with team sync (it remembers what files are dirty locally so uploading only what has changed is easy). Hrm. Wonder if we could just swap out what we're using for the jsch one (I really like the dirty markers)... The Remote System Explorer plugin has remote server search, and a bunch of other bells and whistles. There are a few options that integrate with eclipse pretty seamlessly, depending on what you need to do. :Den -- From a moral point of view, there is no excuse for terrorist acts, regardless of the motive or the situation under which they are carried out. Jurgen Habermas ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:331728 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still?
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 6:58 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: After reading this thread, I got interested in text and code editors again. It seems to happen every two years or so. I download Topstyle 4. It is very similar to Homesite + and customizable. I think I will spend some more time investigating it. A nice editor is good, but I know how awesome an IDE can be, and that's the route for me. Eclipse starts up plenty fast, considering I pretty much leave it running for days or weeks at a time. And I *love* things like Mylyn-- the tools Eclipse offers just blow everything else out of the water, IMHO. Data tools, XML tools (with autocomplet, etc.), Bash Script editors (editors for just about anything you can think of, really). Then there's the testing tools... MXUnit -- of course! -- and if you're hard-core, TPTP for load testing and whatnot. Plus, I'm trying to make CFEclipse much more extensible, so pulling in dictionaries/updates for things like FarCry is easier, etc.. And I can't wait till I've got something together for colddoc -- javadoc works freaking *awesome* for the java stuff (you can require comments on things, get warnings about missing parameter documentation, etc..). -- it's all coming together, amazingly. I understand liking an editor -- I was that way too, once -- but now I just can't go back. But everyone's needs are different, to a certain extent, so I don't hate on anything. Whatever gets you from point A to point B in a manner you're happy with, ja know? :Den -- The Law is but words and paper without the hands of swords of men. James Harring ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:331729 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still?
Ive just tried comparing speeds of cfbuilder, cfeclipse dreamweaver on OSX Opening folders: cfelclipse take 45 seconds to load a ftp folder up cfbuilder takes around 8-10 seconds dreamweaver takes 2 seconds Opening file: cfelclipse i gave up trying to find a file it took so long cfbuilder takes 3 seconds to open a file dreamweaver takes about 4 Cfeclipses ftp isnt even worth considering, whats that all about. Is it wrong of me to contemplate switching to dreamweaver, I remember years ago (back in the mx days) that dreamweaver used to do some crazy stuff to my code like switching cfoutputs close tags with close cfif 9very annoying). Anyones views would be great, i really wanted to get into cfeclipse but the ftp is awfull. Please, please any views On 10 March 2010 05:30, denstar valliants...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Christian! I should have said something the other day, but the select tag stuff works on HTML elements too, in the latest CFEclipse preview release. I broke the formatter putting it in, but I've got unit tests for the formatting, so me no worry long. Still need to add a context menu for tag select, and edit tag still only works on CFML elements, but hey, we're getting there. The awesome part is that I can use what I used to do the tag selection, for doing that expand tag selection stuff you guys were talking about. Ctrl+] expanding outwards from the selected tag. Next is writing some unit tests for the proposal stuff, so we can nail that down, instead of flying the helicopter, as it were. 1.4.0 should be a pretty kick'n release. -- Without struggle, no progress and no result. Every breaking of habit produces a change in the machine. George Gurdjieff On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Christian N. Abad wrote: Ben: I'm in the same boat as you! (...Seriously...) I've been using HomeSite+ (HS+) for YEARS, since I started working with CF 4.52! I have tried repeatedly to make the transition to Aptana / CFEclipse and now CFBuilder countless times, only to come back running to HS+. It just works and it works FAST! It's PERFECT for me... My biggest issues with moving away from HS+ is that the functionality that I use the most, like Select Full Tag and Edit Tag don't work nearly as well - or at all - in the aforementioned other editors. It's plain and simple; I can't work efficiently without this functionality. However, I've been actively participating with the CFEclipse Team via their Google Group and they have been listening to my feedback and even incorporating my needs into their nightly builds. In other words, they are listening and actually implementing what I need. We're not 100% there yet, but we're getting closer with each nightly build. With any patience diligence, I will be able to move to CFEclipse within a month or two... So, my advice to you is to join their Google Group and present your needs to the CFEclipse Team, and who knows - maybe they will build you the tool that you need. http://groups.google.com/group/cfeclipse-users Just my $.02! G ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:331698 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still?
I feel like I should hang my head when I say this, but I really like Dreamweaver. I intend to give cfBuilder a try because of the tight integration with Flex, but Dreamweaver works well for me. Mark -Original Message- From: ben alembick [mailto:benalemb...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 3:06 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still? Ive just tried comparing speeds of cfbuilder, cfeclipse dreamweaver on OSX Opening folders: cfelclipse take 45 seconds to load a ftp folder up cfbuilder takes around 8-10 seconds dreamweaver takes 2 seconds Opening file: cfelclipse i gave up trying to find a file it took so long cfbuilder takes 3 seconds to open a file dreamweaver takes about 4 Cfeclipses ftp isnt even worth considering, whats that all about. Is it wrong of me to contemplate switching to dreamweaver, I remember years ago (back in the mx days) that dreamweaver used to do some crazy stuff to my code like switching cfoutputs close tags with close cfif 9very annoying). Anyones views would be great, i really wanted to get into cfeclipse but the ftp is awfull. Please, please any views On 10 March 2010 05:30, denstar valliants...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Christian! I should have said something the other day, but the select tag stuff works on HTML elements too, in the latest CFEclipse preview release. I broke the formatter putting it in, but I've got unit tests for the formatting, so me no worry long. Still need to add a context menu for tag select, and edit tag still only works on CFML elements, but hey, we're getting there. The awesome part is that I can use what I used to do the tag selection, for doing that expand tag selection stuff you guys were talking about. Ctrl+] expanding outwards from the selected tag. Next is writing some unit tests for the proposal stuff, so we can nail that down, instead of flying the helicopter, as it were. 1.4.0 should be a pretty kick'n release. -- Without struggle, no progress and no result. Every breaking of habit produces a change in the machine. George Gurdjieff On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Christian N. Abad wrote: Ben: I'm in the same boat as you! (...Seriously...) I've been using HomeSite+ (HS+) for YEARS, since I started working with CF 4.52! I have tried repeatedly to make the transition to Aptana / CFEclipse and now CFBuilder countless times, only to come back running to HS+. It just works and it works FAST! It's PERFECT for me... My biggest issues with moving away from HS+ is that the functionality that I use the most, like Select Full Tag and Edit Tag don't work nearly as well - or at all - in the aforementioned other editors. It's plain and simple; I can't work efficiently without this functionality. However, I've been actively participating with the CFEclipse Team via their Google Group and they have been listening to my feedback and even incorporating my needs into their nightly builds. In other words, they are listening and actually implementing what I need. We're not 100% there yet, but we're getting closer with each nightly build. With any patience diligence, I will be able to move to CFEclipse within a month or two... So, my advice to you is to join their Google Group and present your needs to the CFEclipse Team, and who knows - maybe they will build you the tool that you need. http://groups.google.com/group/cfeclipse-users Just my $.02! G ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:331700 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still?
You might want to check out the Aptana Plugin. It's FTP client pretty decent. Seeing that CFBuilder is based on Aptana I will say it be a safe bet that they both use the same engine (the icons that they use are the same as well). I have read good things about the Aptana client on various CF blargs. I just forget where but here are a couple of posts I dug up. http://www.webtrenches.com/post.cfm/finally-solid-ftp-in-eclipse http://blog.crankybit.com/better-ftp-support-in-eclipse-via-aptana/ another $.02 G! On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 3:06 PM, ben alembick benalemb...@gmail.com wrote: Ive just tried comparing speeds of cfbuilder, cfeclipse dreamweaver on OSX Opening folders: cfelclipse take 45 seconds to load a ftp folder up cfbuilder takes around 8-10 seconds dreamweaver takes 2 seconds Opening file: cfelclipse i gave up trying to find a file it took so long cfbuilder takes 3 seconds to open a file dreamweaver takes about 4 Cfeclipses ftp isnt even worth considering, whats that all about. Is it wrong of me to contemplate switching to dreamweaver, I remember years ago (back in the mx days) that dreamweaver used to do some crazy stuff to my code like switching cfoutputs close tags with close cfif 9very annoying). Anyones views would be great, i really wanted to get into cfeclipse but the ftp is awfull. Please, please any views ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:331703 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still?
I have not had any problems with dreamweaver (CS3 CS4) closing tags with the wrong tags... I think there may have been issues in the past with switching to and from the design mode - but I don't use that very often (if at all) - I mainly use the code view. I like DW - use it all the time. - N ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:331705 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still?
I use Dreamweaver CS4. I've been using DW for years, mainly because of the good SFTP integration, but I don't love it. It crashes on me regularly. And what I miss most of all is the remote server search from CF Studio. SO irritating that they cut this out when they moved to Dreamweaver. Jen Perkins McVicker Adobe Certified ColdFusion Developer jen.mcvic...@gmail.com -Original Message- From: ben alembick [mailto:benalemb...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 12:06 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still? Ive just tried comparing speeds of cfbuilder, cfeclipse dreamweaver on OSX Opening folders: cfelclipse take 45 seconds to load a ftp folder up cfbuilder takes around 8-10 seconds dreamweaver takes 2 seconds Opening file: cfelclipse i gave up trying to find a file it took so long cfbuilder takes 3 seconds to open a file dreamweaver takes about 4 Cfeclipses ftp isnt even worth considering, whats that all about. Is it wrong of me to contemplate switching to dreamweaver, I remember years ago (back in the mx days) that dreamweaver used to do some crazy stuff to my code like switching cfoutputs close tags with close cfif 9very annoying). Anyones views would be great, i really wanted to get into cfeclipse but the ftp is awfull. Please, please any views On 10 March 2010 05:30, denstar valliants...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Christian! I should have said something the other day, but the select tag stuff works on HTML elements too, in the latest CFEclipse preview release. I broke the formatter putting it in, but I've got unit tests for the formatting, so me no worry long. Still need to add a context menu for tag select, and edit tag still only works on CFML elements, but hey, we're getting there. The awesome part is that I can use what I used to do the tag selection, for doing that expand tag selection stuff you guys were talking about. Ctrl+] expanding outwards from the selected tag. Next is writing some unit tests for the proposal stuff, so we can nail that down, instead of flying the helicopter, as it were. 1.4.0 should be a pretty kick'n release. -- Without struggle, no progress and no result. Every breaking of habit produces a change in the machine. George Gurdjieff On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Christian N. Abad wrote: Ben: I'm in the same boat as you! (...Seriously...) I've been using HomeSite+ (HS+) for YEARS, since I started working with CF 4.52! I have tried repeatedly to make the transition to Aptana / CFEclipse and now CFBuilder countless times, only to come back running to HS+. It just works and it works FAST! It's PERFECT for me... My biggest issues with moving away from HS+ is that the functionality that I use the most, like Select Full Tag and Edit Tag don't work nearly as well - or at all - in the aforementioned other editors. It's plain and simple; I can't work efficiently without this functionality. However, I've been actively participating with the CFEclipse Team via their Google Group and they have been listening to my feedback and even incorporating my needs into their nightly builds. In other words, they are listening and actually implementing what I need. We're not 100% there yet, but we're getting closer with each nightly build. With any patience diligence, I will be able to move to CFEclipse within a month or two... So, my advice to you is to join their Google Group and present your needs to the CFEclipse Team, and who knows - maybe they will build you the tool that you need. http://groups.google.com/group/cfeclipse-users Just my $.02! G ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:331708 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Make HomeSite+ Open Source? (WAS: RE: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still?)
While I'm firmly in the CFBuilder camp - for those who say Dreamweaver is slow and bloated... have you tried it lately? I had to use DWCS4 for some articles I wrote for Adobe last year and I was _damn_ impressed. It isn't as good as CFBuilder, but it worked very well and has some incredible features in regards to CSS/JS development. Seriously - if you don't like CFB and haven't tried a _modern_ Dreamweaver, I'd give it a chance again. On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote: I still use HOMESITE. I tried CFECLIPSE and I tried the beta version of Adobes CF developer thing. Both are nice, both are a drain on system resources, slow, and bloated. Yes there are some nice features, but there is something to be said for just have a nice straight up, low burden code editing tool with insight, and a good search/replace routine. And yes, I use Dreamweaver too... but it's also slow and bloated. That sums up my feelings exactly, except that I have tried dreamweaver, but don't use it. -- === Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master Email: r...@camdenfamily.com Blog : www.coldfusionjedi.com AOL IM : cfjedimaster Keep up to date with the community: http://www.coldfusionbloggers.o ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:331585 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Make HomeSite+ Open Source? (WAS: RE: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still?)
I have cs4 installed. Maybe I should fire it up for my next project. On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Raymond Camden rcam...@gmail.com wrote: While I'm firmly in the CFBuilder camp - for those who say Dreamweaver is slow and bloated... have you tried it lately? I had to use DWCS4 for some articles I wrote for Adobe last year and I was _damn_ impressed. It isn't as good as CFBuilder, but it worked very well and has some incredible features in regards to CSS/JS development. Seriously - if you don't like CFB and haven't tried a _modern_ Dreamweaver, I'd give it a chance again. On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote: I still use HOMESITE. I tried CFECLIPSE and I tried the beta version of Adobes CF developer thing. Both are nice, both are a drain on system resources, slow, and bloated. Yes there are some nice features, but there is something to be said for just have a nice straight up, low burden code editing tool with insight, and a good search/replace routine. And yes, I use Dreamweaver too... but it's also slow and bloated. That sums up my feelings exactly, except that I have tried dreamweaver, but don't use it. -- === Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master Email: r...@camdenfamily.com Blog : www.coldfusionjedi.com AOL IM : cfjedimaster Keep up to date with the community: http://www.coldfusionbloggers.o ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:331628 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Make HomeSite+ Open Source? (WAS: RE: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still?)
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Christian N. Abad wrote: ColdFusion 9 Extensions for HomeSite+ 2) If not, is there someone in the community who would be willing to do this? How much would you be willing to pay for that? Jochem -- Jochem van Dieten http://jochem.vandieten.net/ ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:331534 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Make HomeSite+ Open Source? (WAS: RE: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still?)
I've been planning to update Homesite's expression builder and docs to ColdFusion 9 for a while now. It's just been on the back burner while I do paying projects. I'll eventually get around to it but if it was for pay rather than for community support, it would get done a LOT faster. Either way, it'll still get done though. If someone does step up to the plate to do this, I can dig up a copy of Nate Weiss's visual VTML editor for them to use (I usually edit VTML by hand). I can also comment a bit on where things are under the hood in Homesite and what has to be done. Once you know where everything is and how to alter it, all you have to do is write some regex to parse the docs and build the files. Yes, I make it sound easy because it is. :) How much would you be willing to pay for that? Jochem -- Jochem van Dieten http://jochem.vandieten.net/ ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:331536 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Make HomeSite+ Open Source? (WAS: RE: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still?)
I'll raise my hand for this. I probably won't be able to do it all, but if a few of us all work on it then it should get done pretty quick. Let me know what I need to do. Steve -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 8:19 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Make HomeSite+ Open Source? (WAS: RE: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still?) I've been planning to update Homesite's expression builder and docs to ColdFusion 9 for a while now. It's just been on the back burner while I do paying projects. I'll eventually get around to it but if it was for pay rather than for community support, it would get done a LOT faster. Either way, it'll still get done though. If someone does step up to the plate to do this, I can dig up a copy of Nate Weiss's visual VTML editor for them to use (I usually edit VTML by hand). I can also comment a bit on where things are under the hood in Homesite and what has to be done. Once you know where everything is and how to alter it, all you have to do is write some regex to parse the docs and build the files. Yes, I make it sound easy because it is. :) How much would you be willing to pay for that? Jochem -- Jochem van Dieten http://jochem.vandieten.net/ ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:331539 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Make HomeSite+ Open Source? (WAS: RE: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still?)
I still use HOMESITE. I tried CFECLIPSE and I tried the beta version of Adobes CF developer thing. Both are nice, both are a drain on system resources, slow, and bloated. Yes there are some nice features, but there is something to be said for just have a nice straight up, low burden code editing tool with insight, and a good search/replace routine. And yes, I use Dreamweaver too... but it's also slow and bloated. That sums up my feelings exactly, except that I have tried dreamweaver, but don't use it. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:331578 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still?
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Ben Alembick benalemb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Ive been using homesite for my coldfusion development now for years (does anyone else still use it? id be interested), As others have pointed out, plenty of people still use it. I also spend ages trying to make everything look like homesite :-)) I think this may be the root of your problem switching. You are trying to change the software to be the same as Homesite when it isn't. Sometimes you have to adapt to the software rather then adapting the software to you. Having said that, there is nothing wrong with continuing to use Homesite if you like it. -Cameron -- Cameron Childress Sumo Consulting Inc http://www.sumoc.com --- cell: 678.637.5072 aim: cameroncf email: camer...@gmail.c ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:331469 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still?
Plenty of people still use HomeSite. It is a great program. The intended successor to HomeSite is Adobe ColdFusion Builder, which isn't a finished product yet. If you have had frustration with cfbuilder, maybe stick with HomeSite until cfbuilder becomes a more mature product. Beta testing the first version of a new product can be a bit rough. The first beta version of HomeSite probably wasn't all that great to work with either. -Mike Chabot On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Ben Alembick benalemb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Ive been using homesite for my coldfusion development now for years (does anyone else still use it? id be interested), i have often attempted to swap to eclipse or (more lately) cfbuilder but i find that i spend so much more time trying to get used to the apps that i end up reverting when i need to get some work done quickly, then im hooked back on homesite and the circle begins again. (I also spend ages trying to make everything look like homesite :-)) I really would like to change to something more up to date, does anyone have any suggestions / tips on how and what i should use (especially for MURA development). I also use a mac which i flip between dreamweaver and cfbuilder any ideas there? Also and please nobody scream, but i do a lot of my live development lately of ftp (or sometimes RDS) - my dev work is mainly for my works local intranet. So Homesites FTP is awesome compared to modern apps (they just don't make em like they used to :-). Thanks in advance Ben ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:331468 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still?
Hi, Ive been using homesite for my coldfusion development now for years (does anyone else still use it? id be interested), i have often attempted to swap to eclipse or (more lately) cfbuilder but i find that i spend so much more time trying to get used to the apps that i end up reverting when i need to get some work done quickly, then im hooked back on homesite and the circle begins again. (I also spend ages trying to make everything look like homesite :-)) I really would like to change to something more up to date, does anyone have any suggestions / tips on how and what i should use (especially for MURA development). I also use a mac which i flip between dreamweaver and cfbuilder any ideas there? Also and please nobody scream, but i do a lot of my live development lately of ftp (or sometimes RDS) - my dev work is mainly for my works local intranet. So Homesites FTP is awesome compared to modern apps (they just don't make em like they used to :-). Thanks in advance Ben ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:331457 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Development Apps- Does anyone use homesite still?
Hi, Ive been using homesite for my coldfusion development now for years (does anyone else still use it? id be interested), i have often attempted to swap to eclipse or (more lately) cfbuilder but i find that i spend so much more time trying to get used to the apps that i end up reverting when i need to get some work done quickly, then im hooked back on homesite and the circle begins again. (I also spend ages trying to make everything look like homesite :-)) I really would like to change to something more up to date, does anyone have any suggestions / tips on how and what i should use (especially for MURA development). I also use a mac which i flip between dreamweaver and cfbuilder any ideas there? Also and please nobody scream, but i do a lot of my live development lately of ftp (or sometimes RDS) - my dev work is mainly for my works local intranet. So Homesites FTP is awesome compared to modern apps (they just don't make em like they used to :-). Thanks in advance Ben ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:331459 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still?
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Ben Alembick benalemb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Ive been using homesite for my coldfusion development now for years (does anyone else still use it? id be interested), i have often attempted to swap to eclipse or (more lately) cfbuilder but i find that i spend so much more time trying to get used to the apps that i end up reverting when i need to get some work done quickly, then im hooked back on homesite and the circle begins again. (I also spend ages trying to make everything look like homesite :-)) I really would like to change to something more up to date, does anyone have any suggestions / tips on how and what i should use (especially for MURA development). I also use a mac which i flip between dreamweaver and cfbuilder any ideas there? Also and please nobody scream, but i do a lot of my live development lately of ftp (or sometimes RDS) - my dev work is mainly for my works local intranet. So Homesites FTP is awesome compared to modern apps (they just don't make em like they used to :-). Thanks in advance Ben Honestly, you just have to suck it up and stop using Homesite if you want to try something else. I'd even go as far as uninstalling homesite so you don't get tempted to use it. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:331458 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still?
Hi, Ive been using homesite for my coldfusion development now for years (does anyone else still use it? id be interested), I am still using HomeSite+ here for development. It does a great job, it's fast, and it just works, but I'm in the same boat as you are. It's getting farther behind with each release of ColdFusion, so eventually I'll have to move on to another tool. I haven't found another editor that I've been as happy with as of yet. Homesite+ is like flying a Cessna 172. You go out to the ramp, do some checks, and take off. It gets you where you want to go as long as you're ok with its limitations. Everything else seems like a Boeing 747 in comparison. Slow, clunky, tries to do all the heavy lifting on its own, requires lots of time to get up to speed working with it, etc. -Justin ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:331466 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still?
I still use HomeSite more than not, but I'm using CFBuilder more and more for side work (at home at night). Still not used to the lag ... HomeSite is just so dang fast, while CFB waits forever to popup code assistance within a tag and it often fails to close a tag, resulting in lots and lots of extra typing. I also haven't yet set up all my snippets, so that will be a big one in making CFB work for me, but I agree that it's not a simple transition. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:331467 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still?
I still have CFStudio installed and I use it as a glorified text editor or scratch pad on occasion. Usually to help me look at code from 'View Source' and such. I've fully switched to Eclipse based for the past two years. Yes, there is a steep learning curve, but not as steep as it was a few years ago. Eclipse itself has matured a lot to make installing and updating plug-ins really easy. CFEclipse has grown a lot in the past two years. With the right set of plug-ins and a good set of snippets I can code very fast. Even CFBuilder is getting better. I've been using CFBuilder since the last CF.Objective() conference. It's getting better. We are still beating up the Adobe Developers on bugs and performance so hopefully by the time it's done its worth the yet to be announced price tag. I've written a blog post or two on getting some of the basics setup and running with CFBuilder. I know many others have written the same for getting started with CFEclipse. In a previous post Mike Chabot mentions that beta testing the first versions of HomeSite may have been a little rough also. Well, I know they were as I was alpha and beta testing them back when Nick Bradbury was the owner of HomeSite and then when Allaire bought HomeSite and hired Nick. The editor went though many many many changes and upheavals and flame wars on forums. It was fun and look at what came of it. One of the best, most widely adopted, longest lasting web application development products ever made. The same is happening with CFBuilder. Wil Genovese blog: http:/www.trunkful.com On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Ben Alembick benalemb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Ive been using homesite for my coldfusion development now for years (does anyone else still use it? id be interested), As others have pointed out, plenty of people still use it. I also spend ages trying to make everything look like homesite :-)) I think this may be the root of your problem switching. You are trying to change the software to be the same as Homesite when it isn't. Sometimes you have to adapt to the software rather then adapting the software to you. Having said that, there is nothing wrong with continuing to use Homesite if you like it. -Cameron -- Cameron Childress Sumo Consulting Inc http://www.sumoc.com --- cell: 678.637.5072 aim: cameroncf email: camer...@gmail.c ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:331470 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still?
You're going to have the same trouble when moving to y from x in ANY field, be it software, or applications, or even using a different knife when cooking. You just have to believe that the new thing will eventually be better than the old thing. If you don't think that it will improve your development, then why bother...seriously. If Homesite works for you, and your development needs, then why switch? andy -Original Message- From: Ben Alembick [mailto:benalemb...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 6:58 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still? Hi, Ive been using homesite for my coldfusion development now for years (does anyone else still use it? id be interested), i have often attempted to swap to eclipse or (more lately) cfbuilder but i find that i spend so much more time trying to get used to the apps that i end up reverting when i need to get some work done quickly, then im hooked back on homesite and the circle begins again. (I also spend ages trying to make everything look like homesite :-)) I really would like to change to something more up to date, does anyone have any suggestions / tips on how and what i should use (especially for MURA development). I also use a mac which i flip between dreamweaver and cfbuilder any ideas there? Also and please nobody scream, but i do a lot of my live development lately of ftp (or sometimes RDS) - my dev work is mainly for my works local intranet. So Homesites FTP is awesome compared to modern apps (they just don't make em like they used to :-). Thanks in advance Ben ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:331464 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still?
I found it best to transition on a new project that isn't too deadline specific so you aren't pressured to take shortcuts. I am currently still using Dreamweaver with some projects because of the ease to setup a site with 3 server environments and FTP. Eclipse is a little too high end sometimes and I still don't know how to do everything I can do in DW. Start out small and don't expect to give up HS right away because when you are chugging and need to move past something you know you can do in HS, it will still be there for you. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:331472 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still?
Ben: I'm in the same boat as you! (...Seriously...) I've been using HomeSite+ (HS+) for YEARS, since I started working with CF 4.52! I have tried repeatedly to make the transition to Aptana / CFEclipse and now CFBuilder countless times, only to come back running to HS+. It just works and it works FAST! It's PERFECT for me... My biggest issues with moving away from HS+ is that the functionality that I use the most, like Select Full Tag and Edit Tag don't work nearly as well - or at all - in the aforementioned other editors. It's plain and simple; I can't work efficiently without this functionality. However, I've been actively participating with the CFEclipse Team via their Google Group and they have been listening to my feedback and even incorporating my needs into their nightly builds. In other words, they are listening and actually implementing what I need. We're not 100% there yet, but we're getting closer with each nightly build. With any patience diligence, I will be able to move to CFEclipse within a month or two... So, my advice to you is to join their Google Group and present your needs to the CFEclipse Team, and who knows - maybe they will build you the tool that you need. http://groups.google.com/group/cfeclipse-users Just my $.02! Good Luck! Christian N. Abad - President Accessible Computing, Inc. 1210 McLaughlin Drive Charlotte, NC 28212 http://www.AccessibleComputing.com 704.900.1825 (Direct Line) 704.248.6682 (Fax) -Original Message- From: Ben Alembick [mailto:benalemb...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 7:58 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still? Hi, Ive been using homesite for my coldfusion development now for years (does anyone else still use it? id be interested), i have often attempted to swap to eclipse or (more lately) cfbuilder but i find that i spend so much more time trying to get used to the apps that i end up reverting when i need to get some work done quickly, then im hooked back on homesite and the circle begins again. (I also spend ages trying to make everything look like homesite :-)) I really would like to change to something more up to date, does anyone have any suggestions / tips on how and what i should use (especially for MURA development). I also use a mac which i flip between dreamweaver and cfbuilder any ideas there? Also and please nobody scream, but i do a lot of my live development lately of ftp (or sometimes RDS) - my dev work is mainly for my works local intranet. So Homesites FTP is awesome compared to modern apps (they just don't make em like they used to :-). Thanks in advance Ben ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:331473 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Make HomeSite+ Open Source? (WAS: RE: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still?)
Folks: I had two other thoughts on this topic: 1) Will Adobe, or anyone else, be releasing the ColdFusion 9 Extensions for HomeSite+ the way they had for CF MX and CF 8? (I think not, since Adobe has officially ceased development of it per http://www.adobe.com/products/homesite/.) 2) If not, is there someone in the community who would be willing to do this? 3) If not, then is there someone in the community who is interested in developing HomeSite+? (Since Adobe has officially ceased development, perhaps it could be made and Open Source project?) Okay, so that was three (3) thoughts! :-) What does everyone think? Thanks, All! Christian N. Abad - President Accessible Computing, Inc. 1210 McLaughlin Drive Charlotte, NC 28212 http://www.AccessibleComputing.com 704.900.1825 (Direct Line) 704.248.6682 (Fax) -Original Message- From: Ben Alembick [mailto:benalemb...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 7:58 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still? Hi, Ive been using homesite for my coldfusion development now for years (does anyone else still use it? id be interested), i have often attempted to swap to eclipse or (more lately) cfbuilder but i find that i spend so much more time trying to get used to the apps that i end up reverting when i need to get some work done quickly, then im hooked back on homesite and the circle begins again. (I also spend ages trying to make everything look like homesite :-)) I really would like to change to something more up to date, does anyone have any suggestions / tips on how and what i should use (especially for MURA development). I also use a mac which i flip between dreamweaver and cfbuilder any ideas there? Also and please nobody scream, but i do a lot of my live development lately of ftp (or sometimes RDS) - my dev work is mainly for my works local intranet. So Homesites FTP is awesome compared to modern apps (they just don't make em like they used to :-). Thanks in advance Ben ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:331474 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Make HomeSite+ Open Source? (WAS: RE: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still?)
I still use HOMESITE. I tried CFECLIPSE and I tried the beta version of Adobes CF developer thing. Both are nice, both are a drain on system resources, slow, and bloated. Yes there are some nice features, but there is something to be said for just have a nice straight up, low burden code editing tool with insight, and a good search/replace routine. And yes, I use Dreamweaver too... but it's also slow and bloated. Robert B. Harrison Director of Interactive Services Austin Williams 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 Hauppauge NY 11788 P : 631.231.6600 Ext. 119 F : 631.434.7022 http://www.austin-williams.com Great advertising can't be either/or. It must be . Plug in to our blog: AW Unplugged http://www.austin-williams.com/unplugged __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4929 (20100309) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:331475 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Make HomeSite+ Open Source? (WAS: RE: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still?)
CFEclipse is already a well-maintained and open-source CFML IDE that, unlike homesite, is cross-platform. I personally can't think of much reason or need for another open-source IDE - particularly one that needs work in order to be a viable option. I wouldn't complain if it were open-sourced, but I highly doubt anyone would further it's development. Getting developers involved is the hardest part of an open-source project IMO. If HomeSite were open-sourced, would you contribute to it? Would you pay someone else to contribute to it? Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ Open BlueDragon Steering Committee Railo Community Distributions Christian N. Abad wrote: Folks: I had two other thoughts on this topic: 1) Will Adobe, or anyone else, be releasing the ColdFusion 9 Extensions for HomeSite+ the way they had for CF MX and CF 8? (I think not, since Adobe has officially ceased development of it per http://www.adobe.com/products/homesite/.) 2) If not, is there someone in the community who would be willing to do this? 3) If not, then is there someone in the community who is interested in developing HomeSite+? (Since Adobe has officially ceased development, perhaps it could be made and Open Source project?) Okay, so that was three (3) thoughts! :-) What does everyone think? Thanks, All! Christian N. Abad - President Accessible Computing, Inc. 1210 McLaughlin Drive Charlotte, NC 28212 http://www.AccessibleComputing.com 704.900.1825 (Direct Line) 704.248.6682 (Fax) -Original Message- From: Ben Alembick [mailto:benalemb...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 7:58 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still? Hi, Ive been using homesite for my coldfusion development now for years (does anyone else still use it? id be interested), i have often attempted to swap to eclipse or (more lately) cfbuilder but i find that i spend so much more time trying to get used to the apps that i end up reverting when i need to get some work done quickly, then im hooked back on homesite and the circle begins again. (I also spend ages trying to make everything look like homesite :-)) I really would like to change to something more up to date, does anyone have any suggestions / tips on how and what i should use (especially for MURA development). I also use a mac which i flip between dreamweaver and cfbuilder any ideas there? Also and please nobody scream, but i do a lot of my live development lately of ftp (or sometimes RDS) - my dev work is mainly for my works local intranet. So Homesites FTP is awesome compared to modern apps (they just don't make em like they used to :-). Thanks in advance Ben ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:331476 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Make HomeSite+ Open Source? (WAS: RE: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still?)
1) Will Adobe, or anyone else, be releasing the ColdFusion 9 Extensions for HomeSite+ the way they had for CF MX and CF 8? (I think not, since Adobe has officially ceased development of it per http://www.adobe.com/products/homesite/.) I highly doubt Adobe has any plans to do anything with HomeSite whether it's releasing extentions for it or releasing the code to developers who want to keep it alive. It would be counter-intuitive to do either from a business standpoint. They would rather everyone forget about HomeSite and move to CFBuilder. As much as I would like to see continued development on HomeSite I am just counting the days until I need to move to something else. As for continued development, I would just like to see a compile that plays well out of the box with Windows 7 and updated tag/function libraries. It already has all of the features I need. I'm still humming along with it but I know that eventually it will have to be replaced. I have high hopes for CFBuilder, but they still have a lot of issues to work out before I'll consider using it full time. -Justin ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:331477 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Make HomeSite+ Open Source? (WAS: RE: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still?)
Homesite isn't an IDE really, it is a text editor with some code insight. If people are looking for an editor (as opposed to an IDE that does project/asset management, refactoring, etc) I'd suggest you look into extending one of the various editors out there that already has some CF support. Take a look at TextMate (for OS X) and the Windows counterpart, E-TextEditor. Both are editor oriented and both have pluggable language bundles including CFML. The CFML support, in my opinion, isn't bad though it isn't great either. Personally, I use CFEclipse for all my development and have for a couple years now and then I use Notepad++ for editing large text files or when I need a really quick little text change to an arbitrary file. It did take me awhile to get used to the Eclipse project-oriented model and to local development. Now that I have, I wouldn't go back. Also, if you need more file-based access (as opposed to project-based) in CFEclipse, take a look at the Aptana plugin. It does a pretty good job of giving you a local file explorer and also integrating FTP into the work flow. Judah On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Jordan Michaels jor...@viviotech.net wrote: CFEclipse is already a well-maintained and open-source CFML IDE that, unlike homesite, is cross-platform. I personally can't think of much reason or need for another open-source IDE - particularly one that needs work in order to be a viable option. I wouldn't complain if it were open-sourced, but I highly doubt anyone would further it's development. Getting developers involved is the hardest part of an open-source project IMO. If HomeSite were open-sourced, would you contribute to it? Would you pay someone else to contribute to it? Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ Open BlueDragon Steering Committee Railo Community Distributions Christian N. Abad wrote: Folks: I had two other thoughts on this topic: 1) Will Adobe, or anyone else, be releasing the ColdFusion 9 Extensions for HomeSite+ the way they had for CF MX and CF 8? (I think not, since Adobe has officially ceased development of it per http://www.adobe.com/products/homesite/.) 2) If not, is there someone in the community who would be willing to do this? 3) If not, then is there someone in the community who is interested in developing HomeSite+? (Since Adobe has officially ceased development, perhaps it could be made and Open Source project?) Okay, so that was three (3) thoughts! :-) What does everyone think? Thanks, All! Christian N. Abad - President Accessible Computing, Inc. 1210 McLaughlin Drive Charlotte, NC 28212 http://www.AccessibleComputing.com 704.900.1825 (Direct Line) 704.248.6682 (Fax) -Original Message- From: Ben Alembick [mailto:benalemb...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 7:58 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still? Hi, Ive been using homesite for my coldfusion development now for years (does anyone else still use it? id be interested), i have often attempted to swap to eclipse or (more lately) cfbuilder but i find that i spend so much more time trying to get used to the apps that i end up reverting when i need to get some work done quickly, then im hooked back on homesite and the circle begins again. (I also spend ages trying to make everything look like homesite :-)) I really would like to change to something more up to date, does anyone have any suggestions / tips on how and what i should use (especially for MURA development). I also use a mac which i flip between dreamweaver and cfbuilder any ideas there? Also and please nobody scream, but i do a lot of my live development lately of ftp (or sometimes RDS) - my dev work is mainly for my works local intranet. So Homesites FTP is awesome compared to modern apps (they just don't make em like they used to :-). Thanks in advance Ben ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:331478 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Make HomeSite+ Open Source? (WAS: RE: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still?)
There's little point in making it Open Source. It might be a nice gesture from Adobe, but it's hard enough finding CF developers willing to do Java; finding a Delphi developer willing to support HomeSite would be even worse! For the people that like Homesite, there's nothing wrong with continuing to use it, once you don't mind a lack of updates. (This is assuming the updates are some form of proprietary/binary format; if they are text-based then the CF9 stuff yourself!) I tried CFECLIPSE and I tried the beta version of Adobes CF developer thing. Both are nice, both are a drain on system resources, slow, and bloated. Yep, CFEclipse and CFBuilder *are* slow and bloated - because they use the Eclipse platform, which is slow and bloated. It *might* be possible to produce a minimalised/streamlined Eclipse base with just the required stuff in - but there are so many other things that CFEclipse needs first, and only a limited number of people able to spare a limited amount of time to work on improving it. The great thing is that if people want CFEclipse to be better, they can help to make it better! You do NOT need to know Java to help with CFEclipse - there's plenty of other tasks that can be done, and doing those will mean that the Java developers can concentrate on the Java tasks, and thus everything improves. So, if there's things you don't like about CFEclipse (either bugs or feature requests), raise them on the issue tracker - problems can't be fixed if they're not known! And, if you want to speed their resolution, pop on to the mailing list ( cfeclipse-us...@googlegroups.com ) and see if you can help out - either directly working on them, or indirectly (by improving other areas), and hopefully it wont be long before we've all got a great IDE! ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:331480 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still?
I find it interesting that no one seems to be suggesting DreamWeaver as a replacement for Homesite. I was a huge Homesite fan - but dropped it about 7 years ago...(Has it been that long?!) I mainly use DreamWeaver now - and find it great for code markup and CF Integration. It is very similar to a lot of the ways Homesite worked... (I think) I am probably not using it to its full extent - but the Database connections/RDS Login/component integration, etc - are pretty nice once you get it setup - and you can have it auto FTP or do it manually (as I do - Still use an old copy of Absolute FTP). Overall code markup is clear - easy to setup website projects - I like it. I have started to dabble with the Coldfusion Builder - still very new to me - I guess I see myself eventually swapping between those two... But for now I pretty much live in DreamWeaver. My Two cents anyway... - Nick ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:331486 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Make HomeSite+ Open Source? (WAS: RE: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still?)
I would contribute! -- Greg Luce Luce Consulting Services, Inc. www.luceconsulting.net (863) 273-0289 On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Jordan Michaels jor...@viviotech.netwrote: CFEclipse is already a well-maintained and open-source CFML IDE that, unlike homesite, is cross-platform. I personally can't think of much reason or need for another open-source IDE - particularly one that needs work in order to be a viable option. I wouldn't complain if it were open-sourced, but I highly doubt anyone would further it's development. Getting developers involved is the hardest part of an open-source project IMO. If HomeSite were open-sourced, would you contribute to it? Would you pay someone else to contribute to it? Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ Open BlueDragon Steering Committee Railo Community Distributions Christian N. Abad wrote: Folks: I had two other thoughts on this topic: 1) Will Adobe, or anyone else, be releasing the ColdFusion 9 Extensions for HomeSite+ the way they had for CF MX and CF 8? (I think not, since Adobe has officially ceased development of it per http://www.adobe.com/products/homesite/.) 2) If not, is there someone in the community who would be willing to do this? 3) If not, then is there someone in the community who is interested in developing HomeSite+? (Since Adobe has officially ceased development, perhaps it could be made and Open Source project?) Okay, so that was three (3) thoughts! :-) What does everyone think? Thanks, All! Christian N. Abad - President Accessible Computing, Inc. 1210 McLaughlin Drive Charlotte, NC 28212 http://www.AccessibleComputing.com http://www.accessiblecomputing.com/ 704.900.1825 (Direct Line) 704.248.6682 (Fax) -Original Message- From: Ben Alembick [mailto:benalemb...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 7:58 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still? Hi, Ive been using homesite for my coldfusion development now for years (does anyone else still use it? id be interested), i have often attempted to swap to eclipse or (more lately) cfbuilder but i find that i spend so much more time trying to get used to the apps that i end up reverting when i need to get some work done quickly, then im hooked back on homesite and the circle begins again. (I also spend ages trying to make everything look like homesite :-)) I really would like to change to something more up to date, does anyone have any suggestions / tips on how and what i should use (especially for MURA development). I also use a mac which i flip between dreamweaver and cfbuilder any ideas there? Also and please nobody scream, but i do a lot of my live development lately of ftp (or sometimes RDS) - my dev work is mainly for my works local intranet. So Homesites FTP is awesome compared to modern apps (they just don't make em like they used to :-). Thanks in advance Ben ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:331488 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Development Apps - Does anyone use homesite still?
Hey Christian! I should have said something the other day, but the select tag stuff works on HTML elements too, in the latest CFEclipse preview release. I broke the formatter putting it in, but I've got unit tests for the formatting, so me no worry long. Still need to add a context menu for tag select, and edit tag still only works on CFML elements, but hey, we're getting there. The awesome part is that I can use what I used to do the tag selection, for doing that expand tag selection stuff you guys were talking about. Ctrl+] expanding outwards from the selected tag. Next is writing some unit tests for the proposal stuff, so we can nail that down, instead of flying the helicopter, as it were. 1.4.0 should be a pretty kick'n release. -- Without struggle, no progress and no result. Every breaking of habit produces a change in the machine. George Gurdjieff On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Christian N. Abad wrote: Ben: I'm in the same boat as you! (...Seriously...) I've been using HomeSite+ (HS+) for YEARS, since I started working with CF 4.52! I have tried repeatedly to make the transition to Aptana / CFEclipse and now CFBuilder countless times, only to come back running to HS+. It just works and it works FAST! It's PERFECT for me... My biggest issues with moving away from HS+ is that the functionality that I use the most, like Select Full Tag and Edit Tag don't work nearly as well - or at all - in the aforementioned other editors. It's plain and simple; I can't work efficiently without this functionality. However, I've been actively participating with the CFEclipse Team via their Google Group and they have been listening to my feedback and even incorporating my needs into their nightly builds. In other words, they are listening and actually implementing what I need. We're not 100% there yet, but we're getting closer with each nightly build. With any patience diligence, I will be able to move to CFEclipse within a month or two... So, my advice to you is to join their Google Group and present your needs to the CFEclipse Team, and who knows - maybe they will build you the tool that you need. http://groups.google.com/group/cfeclipse-users Just my $.02! G ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:331525 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
