Re: Email lists
I know I'm late on this thread, and I hate spam like everyone BUT IF YOU MUST SPAM, here's what else I'd like: 1. a WEB PAGE to opt out, not a return email, with the email used for me is already filled into the form (so I don't have to look at the mail headers to see which email address it was sent to -- I have many virtual names). 2. One single follow-up email saying I've been removed and instructions to report abuse if I don't think the removal happened. On the opt-out web page you could even ask me why I'm opting out. Great opportunity to see if I never opted in to begin with or if I just don't want your information. Thanks for TRYING to fight the good fight, Mark. We appreciate the effort! jevo On 8/1/02 12:16 PM, Mark A. Kruger - CFG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to all of you for your suggestions. Yes, we have done my best to attempt to disuade this client from doing a blanket spam approach. They are paying us for developement and our best advice (which we have given them). Whatever they end up deciding we will insist on a rigourous opt-in/opt-out criteria. -mk __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Email lists
We have a client interested in running an email marketing campaign. I was wondering if anyone out there could give me advice on: A) Where do you generally go to get targeted email addresses and B) What are the ins and outs that help stay on peoples good side and stay off the ISP black lists. My previous experience has been with subscribed newsletters, not with spa uh emaill marketing. -mk Mark A. Kruger, MCSE, CFG www.cfwebtools.com www.necfug.com ..no more brochures! __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Email lists
Mark A. Kruger - CFG wrote: We have a client interested in running an email marketing campaign. I was wondering if anyone out there could give me advice on: A) Where do you generally go to get targeted email addresses Lower the settings on your spam filter and buy a few of the CD's that are offered. Don't they all claim te be targeted :) B) What are the ins and outs that help stay on peoples good side and stay off the ISP black lists. Not sending email marketing is a good way :) But seriously, if you wanted to reach the CF community, probably one of the best ways would be to be somewhere in the next few lines: __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Email lists
Any place that has 'public' email lists is a good choice to start with. I've heard a whole lot about Topica selling lists of addresses. As for staying on peoples good sides, I'd say rigorous control over content and location is a must. If you know everything that's being sent out, when its going out and have a relatively good idea of who its going to then you've got a good start. Having quick public support service is another useful thing. Just as a side note for those who may have wondered, HoF does not distribute ANY of the email addresses that we have on our mailing lists or newsletters. We have a client interested in running an email marketing campaign. I was wondering if anyone out there could give me advice on: A) Where do you generally go to get targeted email addresses and B) What are the ins and outs that help stay on peoples good side and stay off the ISP black lists. My previous experience has been with subscribed newsletters, not with spa uh emaill marketing. -mk Mark A. Kruger, MCSE, CFG www.cfwebtools.com www.necfug.com ..no more brochures! __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Email lists
Sounds like spam to me. What I have seen is the initial email will be sent with an opt-out option. To stay on peoples good side be prompt with removing addresses and do not BS . On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Mark A. Kruger - CFG wrote: We have a client interested in running an email marketing campaign. I was wondering if anyone out there could give me advice on: A) Where do you generally go to get targeted email addresses and B) What are the ins and outs that help stay on peoples good side and stay off the ISP black lists. My previous experience has been with subscribed newsletters, not with spa uh emaill marketing. -mk Mark A. Kruger, MCSE, CFG www.cfwebtools.com www.necfug.com ..no more brochures! __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Email lists
One good thing, like most of you, I have MANY different email addresses and some that just forward to other email addresses. I would include the opt-out with the email that is being sent such as [EMAIL PROTECTED] or whatever. That way the person who wants to be removed can get their email removed that you sent your information too. Paul Giesenhagen QuillDesign - Original Message - From: Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:35 PM Subject: Re: Email lists Sounds like spam to me. What I have seen is the initial email will be sent with an opt-out option. To stay on peoples good side be prompt with removing addresses and do not BS . On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Mark A. Kruger - CFG wrote: We have a client interested in running an email marketing campaign. I was wondering if anyone out there could give me advice on: A) Where do you generally go to get targeted email addresses and B) What are the ins and outs that help stay on peoples good side and stay off the ISP black lists. My previous experience has been with subscribed newsletters, not with spa uh emaill marketing. -mk Mark A. Kruger, MCSE, CFG www.cfwebtools.com www.necfug.com ..no more brochures! __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Email lists
Jochem van Dieten wrote: Mark A. Kruger - CFG wrote: We have a client interested in running an email marketing campaign. I was wondering if anyone out there could give me advice on: But seriously, if you wanted to reach the CF community, probably one of the best ways would be to be somewhere in the next few lines: There was some text after this, but I think the filters took it off. Don't try to do targeted emails on your own. Find some community/mailinglist that targets the same people as your client wants to target. Talk to them about sponsoring. This type of lists is (almost) guaranteed opt-in, and if they are not it is quite likely somebody else takes the blame. If it is a community, you can even try to get some editorial about your client. In general, it profiles your client as an responsible member of the community, instead of a hit run spammer. Jochem __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Email lists
Im always paranoid to click on the remove me links in spam. It could be a way of validating that your email is a real email. -Original Message- From: Paul Giesenhagen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Email lists One good thing, like most of you, I have MANY different email addresses and some that just forward to other email addresses. I would include the opt-out with the email that is being sent such as [EMAIL PROTECTED] or whatever. That way the person who wants to be removed can get their email removed that you sent your information too. Paul Giesenhagen QuillDesign - Original Message - From: Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:35 PM Subject: Re: Email lists Sounds like spam to me. What I have seen is the initial email will be sent with an opt-out option. To stay on peoples good side be prompt with removing addresses and do not BS . On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Mark A. Kruger - CFG wrote: We have a client interested in running an email marketing campaign. I was wondering if anyone out there could give me advice on: A) Where do you generally go to get targeted email addresses and B) What are the ins and outs that help stay on peoples good side and stay off the ISP black lists. My previous experience has been with subscribed newsletters, not with spa uh emaill marketing. -mk Mark A. Kruger, MCSE, CFG www.cfwebtools.com www.necfug.com ..no more brochures! __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Email lists
Yes, but then I take it you wouldn't do the reply to REMOVE method either. So you just don't opt-out? Paul Giesenhagen QuillDesign Im always paranoid to click on the remove me links in spam. It could be a way of validating that your email is a real email. -Original Message- From: Paul Giesenhagen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Email lists One good thing, like most of you, I have MANY different email addresses and some that just forward to other email addresses. I would include the opt-out with the email that is being sent such as [EMAIL PROTECTED] or whatever. That way the person who wants to be removed can get their email removed that you sent your information too. Paul Giesenhagen QuillDesign - Original Message - From: Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:35 PM Subject: Re: Email lists Sounds like spam to me. What I have seen is the initial email will be sent with an opt-out option. To stay on peoples good side be prompt with removing addresses and do not BS . On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Mark A. Kruger - CFG wrote: We have a client interested in running an email marketing campaign. I was wondering if anyone out there could give me advice on: A) Where do you generally go to get targeted email addresses and B) What are the ins and outs that help stay on peoples good side and stay off the ISP black lists. My previous experience has been with subscribed newsletters, not with spa uh emaill marketing. -mk Mark A. Kruger, MCSE, CFG www.cfwebtools.com www.necfug.com ..no more brochures! __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Email lists
That is what most of them do. At 02:44 PM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: Im always paranoid to click on the remove me links in spam. It could be a way of validating that your email is a real email. -Original Message- From: Paul Giesenhagen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Email lists One good thing, like most of you, I have MANY different email addresses and some that just forward to other email addresses. I would include the opt-out with the email that is being sent such as [EMAIL PROTECTED] or whatever. That way the person who wants to be removed can get their email removed that you sent your information too. Paul Giesenhagen QuillDesign - Original Message - From: Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:35 PM Subject: Re: Email lists Sounds like spam to me. What I have seen is the initial email will be sent with an opt-out option. To stay on peoples good side be prompt with removing addresses and do not BS . On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Mark A. Kruger - CFG wrote: We have a client interested in running an email marketing campaign. I was wondering if anyone out there could give me advice on: A) Where do you generally go to get targeted email addresses and B) What are the ins and outs that help stay on peoples good side and stay off the ISP black lists. My previous experience has been with subscribed newsletters, not with spa uh emaill marketing. -mk Mark A. Kruger, MCSE, CFG www.cfwebtools.com www.necfug.com ..no more brochures! __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Way OT :-) Email lists
Thats what server-level anti-spam software is for. I'd have literally double my mail volume without it. Between Declude and Cloudmark I'm finally 99% spam free. Speaking of which, as an fyi every HoF message I receive says this in the headers: X-RBL-Warning: HELOBOGUS: Domain hof001.houseoffusion.com has no MX/A records. Its not enough weight to get the mail tossed. --- Matt Robertson[EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc., www.mysecretbase.com --- -- Original Message -- from: Paul Giesenhagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:46:06 -0500 Yes, but then I take it you wouldn't do the reply to REMOVE method either. So you just don't opt-out? Paul Giesenhagen QuillDesign __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Email lists
Paul Giesenhagen wrote: Yes, but then I take it you wouldn't do the reply to REMOVE method either. So you just don't opt-out? I very rarely opt-out. I just modify my spam filter and report them on some DNS blocklist. But I get very little spam actually. I suppose for some reason people think that the emailaddress spam@... (which I use with companies of which I don't know their position on spam) is invalid. Jochem PS Never email me in HTML, chances are your email will just be a number in the filter report :) __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Email lists
Jacob wrote: That is what most of them do. Who is them? Can you prove that? Jochem __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Email lists
Thanks to all of you for your suggestions. Yes, we have done my best to attempt to disuade this client from doing a blanket spam approach. They are paying us for developement and our best advice (which we have given them). Whatever they end up deciding we will insist on a rigourous opt-in/opt-out criteria. -mk -Original Message- From: Paul Giesenhagen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:46 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Email lists Yes, but then I take it you wouldn't do the reply to REMOVE method either. So you just don't opt-out? Paul Giesenhagen QuillDesign Im always paranoid to click on the remove me links in spam. It could be a way of validating that your email is a real email. -Original Message- From: Paul Giesenhagen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Email lists One good thing, like most of you, I have MANY different email addresses and some that just forward to other email addresses. I would include the opt-out with the email that is being sent such as [EMAIL PROTECTED] or whatever. That way the person who wants to be removed can get their email removed that you sent your information too. Paul Giesenhagen QuillDesign - Original Message - From: Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:35 PM Subject: Re: Email lists Sounds like spam to me. What I have seen is the initial email will be sent with an opt-out option. To stay on peoples good side be prompt with removing addresses and do not BS . On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Mark A. Kruger - CFG wrote: We have a client interested in running an email marketing campaign. I was wondering if anyone out there could give me advice on: A) Where do you generally go to get targeted email addresses and B) What are the ins and outs that help stay on peoples good side and stay off the ISP black lists. My previous experience has been with subscribed newsletters, not with spa uh emaill marketing. -mk Mark A. Kruger, MCSE, CFG www.cfwebtools.com www.necfug.com ..no more brochures! __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Email lists
The ones I really despise are the ones that say This email is in compliance with blah blah federal regulation by providing a means of opting out. This is a one-time mailer, to be removed from this list, do nothing / do not reply. Isaac Dealey Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 Sounds like spam to me. What I have seen is the initial email will be sent with an opt-out option. To stay on peoples good side be prompt with removing addresses and do not BS . On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Mark A. Kruger - CFG wrote: We have a client interested in running an email marketing campaign. I was wondering if anyone out there could give me advice on: A) Where do you generally go to get targeted email addresses and B) What are the ins and outs that help stay on peoples good side and stay off the ISP black lists. My previous experience has been with subscribed newsletters, not with spa uh emaill marketing. -mk Mark A. Kruger, MCSE, CFG www.cfwebtools.com www.necfug.com ..no more brochures! __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Email lists
Jochem PS Never email me in HTML, chances are your email will just be a number in the filter report :) HTML email is a pox... It gives people too much control over the medium of the message ... especially if the recipient is using shudder Outlook ( express or otherwise ) since Microsoft has decided not to allow users of their email client to make their own decisions about the formatting of their incoming email. Even if the sender isn't intending to do anything unpleasant with the message ( like embedding javascript that will continually throw up popup advertising ), I often find the sender's formatting simply repulsive, i.e. they'll put font color=red down on top of body color=blue ... Who can possibly look at that and not get a headache? Isaac Dealey Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Email lists
bah html email is the best thing to happen to email :) Outlook express is great if you are not a common non technical person off the street. And i look at it like this, webpages can look horrible with green on red or pink on red so i guess emails can too. If it gets too painful i just tell it to use my color scheme instead of theirs. Bill Wheatley Senior Database Developer Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer EDIETS.COM 954.360.9022 X159 ICQ 417645 - Original Message - From: S. Isaac Dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 3:25 PM Subject: Re: Email lists Jochem PS Never email me in HTML, chances are your email will just be a number in the filter report :) HTML email is a pox... It gives people too much control over the medium of the message ... especially if the recipient is using shudder Outlook ( express or otherwise ) since Microsoft has decided not to allow users of their email client to make their own decisions about the formatting of their incoming email. Even if the sender isn't intending to do anything unpleasant with the message ( like embedding javascript that will continually throw up popup advertising ), I often find the sender's formatting simply repulsive, i.e. they'll put font color=red down on top of body color=blue ... Who can possibly look at that and not get a headache? Isaac Dealey Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Email lists
S. Isaac Dealey wrote: The ones I really despise are the ones that say This email is in compliance with blah blah federal regulation by providing a means of opting out. This is a one-time mailer, to be removed from this list, do nothing / do not reply. I like those. If they contain any reference to H.R. 3113 they will encounter rule number 2 in my spam filter (Subject: Adv* is on number one). Jochem __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Email lists
When you reply to a spam for removal it says Your email address is good. Can you prove it does not ;-) At 09:11 PM 8/1/2002 +0200, you wrote: Jacob wrote: That is what most of them do. Who is them? Can you prove that? Jochem __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Email lists
The key to this is to only send to people who have specifically requested your message. We send mail for clients and sometimes have to use outside lists. When we do, we have the list provider send the mails from their servers, and we do not put our logos on the ads. We only put our identifying info on stuff we send directly. Most third-party lists we've used absolutely suck. When we use client's lists, we get anywhere from 10% - 50% clickthroughs, with very, very low opt-out rates (like .07%). With third party lists, we're lucky to get 2%. That's not a typo - Two Percent. It's also a good idea to get a disclaimer signed by your client releasing you from any performance clauses - make sure the client understands that the response may be dismal and that you are not responsible for it. If they balk at signing, deliver the content and let them take responsibility for finding a mailing service with lists. -Original Message- From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:20 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Email lists We have a client interested in running an email marketing campaign. I was wondering if anyone out there could give me advice on: A) Where do you generally go to get targeted email addresses and B) What are the ins and outs that help stay on peoples good side and stay off the ISP black lists. My previous experience has been with subscribed newsletters, not with spa uh emaill marketing. -mk Mark A. Kruger, MCSE, CFG www.cfwebtools.com www.necfug.com .no more brochures! __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Email lists
bah html email is the best thing to happen to email :) Better than attachments eh? ... html has zero to do with the purpose of email ... and personally I have yet to see it actually improve the viewing / reading experience... I realize that puts me on the other side of the fence from most folks... Outlook express is great if you are not a common non technical person off the street. And i look at it like this, webpages can look horrible with green on red or pink on red so i guess emails can too. If it gets too painful i just tell it to use my color scheme instead of theirs. I've not found a setting in Outlook ( express or otherwise ) to do this... I spent endless hours trying to turn the crap off back when I was being forced to use Outlook and before I found nohtml ( which wasn't even quite good enough on Outlook 2000 -- it only actually did what I wanted it to do on 2002 ) ... Maybe I should have been looking for a way to define my own style sheet instead... Isaac Dealey Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer www.turnkey.to 954-776-0046 __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Email lists
It depends on the email that sent the spam. It also depends on if it looks like they are using a shotgun to hit emails. A lot of times I will see in the TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], mike... etc... like they are just guessing. I just forward the spam to abuse emails if they come from yahoo, msn, etc --Original Message- From: Paul Giesenhagen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:46 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Email lists Yes, but then I take it you wouldn't do the reply to REMOVE method either. So you just don't opt-out? Paul Giesenhagen QuillDesign Im always paranoid to click on the remove me links in spam. It could be a way of validating that your email is a real email. -Original Message- From: Paul Giesenhagen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Email lists One good thing, like most of you, I have MANY different email addresses and some that just forward to other email addresses. I would include the opt-out with the email that is being sent such as [EMAIL PROTECTED] or whatever. That way the person who wants to be removed can get their email removed that you sent your information too. Paul Giesenhagen QuillDesign - Original Message - From: Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:35 PM Subject: Re: Email lists Sounds like spam to me. What I have seen is the initial email will be sent with an opt-out option. To stay on peoples good side be prompt with removing addresses and do not BS . On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Mark A. Kruger - CFG wrote: We have a client interested in running an email marketing campaign. I was wondering if anyone out there could give me advice on: A) Where do you generally go to get targeted email addresses and B) What are the ins and outs that help stay on peoples good side and stay off the ISP black lists. My previous experience has been with subscribed newsletters, not with spa uh emaill marketing. -mk Mark A. Kruger, MCSE, CFG www.cfwebtools.com www.necfug.com ..no more brochures! __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
