Re: Coldfusion fusebox 5.5 sessioning
>Check the cookies on windows to see if the CFID/CFTOKEN are changing >between pages. > >On 3/26/12 11:43 PM, Uday Patel wrote: >> Thanks Jonah, yes the cookies are changing. this.setclientcookies was false, changed it to true and now its working good. AAh what a waste of my night. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350558 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Coldfusion fusebox 5.5 sessioning
Check the cookies on windows to see if the CFID/CFTOKEN are changing
between pages.
On 3/26/12 11:43 PM, Uday Patel wrote:
> Hi,
>
> This is my first ever post. I have been programing coldfusion for more than 3
> years now.
>
> I was working on a web application for almost a year now, and than i decided
> to use fusebox5.5 (no xml).
>
> Problem: loose session variables on relocation.
>
> I have user object : user.cfc
> I have singleton object: userGateway.cfc to fetch user details from DB
> I have singleton object: userService.cfc below is the code of userService.cfc
>
> component displayname="UserService" output="true"
> {
> public UserService function init()
> {
> private.cfo =
> application.objectfactory.create('commonfunction');
> return this;
> }
>
> //get current user from session
> public ANY function getCurrentUser()
> {
> if(StructKeyexists(session,'userObj'))
> return session.userObj;
> else
> return '';
> }
>
> //set current user to session
> public VOID function setCurrentUser(obj)
> {
> var localObj = arguments.obj;
> var tmp = '';
> try{
> //if(!StructKeyexists(Session,'userObj')){
>
> //StructInsert(Session,'userObj',duplicate(localObj));
> //}
> //else{
> Session['userObj'] = DUPLICATE(localObj);
> //}
>
> tmp = localObj.get('user_id');
> client.user_id = tmp;
> }
> catch (ANY e){
> private.cfo.sendmail(htmlcontent = cfcatch, msg =
> "Problem adding user to the session", Subject="Error in userservice.cfc");
> }
> }
>
> //delete current user from session
> public VOID function deleteCurrentUser()
> {
> if(StructKeyexists(session,'userObj'))
> StructDelete(session,'userObj');
> }
>
> }
>
> All i am trying to do here is when a person logs in i put the userobject in
> session scope. THis works good but as soon i click on some other link (i
> removed the redirect) userobject goes away from the session scope. I also put
> the user_id in client scope to see what happens and even the user_id from
> client scope disappaeared.
>
> on my MAC firefox this works good. But on windows xp(firefox, IE), MAC safari
> the session scope looses userobj.
>
>
>
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Coldfusion fusebox 5.5 sessioning
Hi,
This is my first ever post. I have been programing coldfusion for more than 3
years now.
I was working on a web application for almost a year now, and than i decided to
use fusebox5.5 (no xml).
Problem: loose session variables on relocation.
I have user object : user.cfc
I have singleton object: userGateway.cfc to fetch user details from DB
I have singleton object: userService.cfc below is the code of userService.cfc
component displayname="UserService" output="true"
{
public UserService function init()
{
private.cfo =
application.objectfactory.create('commonfunction');
return this;
}
//get current user from session
public ANY function getCurrentUser()
{
if(StructKeyexists(session,'userObj'))
return session.userObj;
else
return '';
}
//set current user to session
public VOID function setCurrentUser(obj)
{
var localObj = arguments.obj;
var tmp = '';
try{
//if(!StructKeyexists(Session,'userObj')){
//StructInsert(Session,'userObj',duplicate(localObj));
//}
//else{
Session['userObj'] = DUPLICATE(localObj);
//}
tmp = localObj.get('user_id');
client.user_id = tmp;
}
catch (ANY e){
private.cfo.sendmail(htmlcontent = cfcatch, msg =
"Problem adding user to the session", Subject="Error in userservice.cfc");
}
}
//delete current user from session
public VOID function deleteCurrentUser()
{
if(StructKeyexists(session,'userObj'))
StructDelete(session,'userObj');
}
}
All i am trying to do here is when a person logs in i put the userobject in
session scope. THis works good but as soon i click on some other link (i
removed the redirect) userobject goes away from the session scope. I also put
the user_id in client scope to see what happens and even the user_id from
client scope disappaeared.
on my MAC firefox this works good. But on windows xp(firefox, IE), MAC safari
the session scope looses userobj.
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Re: Fusebox seemingly clearing contents of session variables on relocation
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Re: Fusebox seemingly clearing contents of session variables on relocation
Thanks Matt your suggestion worked. " " Odd this is the first time I've encountered this specific behaviour in Coldfusion. Thanks a byunch was spinning my wheels on this. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342190 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Fusebox seemingly clearing contents of session variables on relocation
Hi guys, just came in this morning. thanks for the responses will try out the suggested code and get back to you. I'm on CF9/Fusebox 5.5 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342189 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Fusebox seemingly clearing contents of session variables on relocation
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 8:58 PM, Matt Quackenbush wrote: > I have two different CF9 installations that behave the way I described. Odd. I couldn't repro on CF9.0.1 locally. Do you have a small test case that shows form scope behaving like that for you? I'd love to try it on my setup. Thanx! -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive." -- Margaret Atwood ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342187 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Fusebox seemingly clearing contents of session variables on relocation
I have two different CF9 installations that behave the way I described. It actually caught me out on a quickie application I did for someone awhile back, because I did not expect that behavior. But that's exactly what it does on two different installations. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342186 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Fusebox seemingly clearing contents of session variables on relocation
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Sean Corfield wrote: > I tried it on Railo and discovered that the form scope is somehow > reused across multiple requests - so on Railo, your logic would be > correct. That's interesting and I'll have to take that up with > engineering to find out why / how it's different. Some experimentation yields the answer. In ACF, form is a fairly regular struct object that is created and populated afresh on each request with whatever is posted into that request. In Railo, form is a smart object that behaves like a proxy to the current request's form data so, whilst the contents of the form scope are populated afresh on each request, the "form scope" itself is a proxy to that data rather than actually containing it. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive." -- Margaret Atwood ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342185 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Fusebox seemingly clearing contents of session variables on relocation
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Matt Quackenbush wrote: > Dave, as you well know I usually agree with you. However, in this case, I > do not agree with you at all. Why? Because you are 100% wrong in your > statement. What I showed is **exactly** how references work. Well, yes, your code was about references but unfortunately form scope is created anew on each request in ACF so whilst > leaves session.myvariable pointing at a struct (that was the form scope on that request), by the time you do this: > The name form is bound to a new struct and the original session.myvariable is unchanged. I tried it on Railo and discovered that the form scope is somehow reused across multiple requests - so on Railo, your logic would be correct. That's interesting and I'll have to take that up with engineering to find out why / how it's different. Which begs the question of the Original Poster: Don / Dan - are you running on ACF or Railo? -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive." -- Margaret At ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342184 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Fusebox seemingly clearing contents of session variables on relocation
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Matt Quackenbush wrote: > The only way to pass a structure in CF by reference is by using > duplicate(). > Oops. That is suppose to say The only way to pass a structure in CF by value is by using duplicate(). ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342175 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Fusebox seemingly clearing contents of session variables on relocation
Dave, as you well know I usually agree with you. However, in this case, I
do not agree with you at all. Why? Because you are 100% wrong in your
statement. What I showed is **exactly** how references work.
1) If you create a _reference_ to something as my code example did...
2) and then you change the original...
3) the reference **will** be updated to match the value to which it is
pointing at.
In ColdFusion, structures are passed _by reference_ rather than _by value_.
The only way to pass a structure in CF by reference is by using
duplicate(). Can it be an expensive operation? Ayep. Is it necessary when
you want to pass by value rather than reference? Ayep.
The 'form' scope, like all others in CF, is a structure. Therefore the
rules about reference and value apply to it just as though you had created
the structure yourself with structNew().
Test the code I wrote. You'll see that I am right.
Now then, if you are setting your session values like so...
session.myvariable = {};
for ( key IN form )
{
session.myvariable[key] = form[key];
}
... then you are creating brand new variables that will are _value_ based
rather than simply a reference to the form scope. If this is what you are
doing, then, of course, changing the form scope (of form-scoped variables)
will have no bearing on the session variables you created.
HTH
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Re: Fusebox seemingly clearing contents of session variables on relocation
> Presumably you are doing something like so... > > > > > I have not tested it, but I am guessing that you are "loosing" the session > variables because you are creating a _reference_ to the form scope. When > you redirect, the form scope is now empty, and therefore, any and all > references to it will be empty. To create a session variable that actually > holds the *value* (rather than the reference), use duplicate(). > > > This is not how references work. You can safely create a reference to the form (which is itself just a reference) and when the form goes out of scope, the reference you subsequently created will still be available. There's no need to use Duplicate here, and it's unnecessarily expensive. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsit ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342173 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Fusebox seemingly clearing contents of session variables on relocation
Presumably you are doing something like so... I have not tested it, but I am guessing that you are "loosing" the session variables because you are creating a _reference_ to the form scope. When you redirect, the form scope is now empty, and therefore, any and all references to it will be empty. To create a session variable that actually holds the *value* (rather than the reference), use duplicate(). HTH ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342171 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Fusebox seemingly clearing contents of session variables on relocation
I have some code where I am transferring the contents of a form submission into a session variable. According to some cfdumps, the form variables do get set in session. but after the redirect, the session variables are there but empty. Any ideas? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:342166 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Fusebox Timeout issue
Hi all
I am having a weird issue which I can't seem to track down or resolve.
In my fusebox 5 architectured application, I have many links within the site
that all work as per normal. However, if I repeatedly click a link quickly, the
application goes into a timeout with the error below.
Could anyone please shine some light on to the issue, or direct me to something
that may assist me in resolving this issue.
Thanks so much.
Request (path: C:\Railo\webapps\ROOT\CCMS\index.cfm
(C:\Railo\webapps\ROOT\fusebox5\Application.cfc):11) is run into a timeout (50
seconds) and has been stopped. open locks (ccms_alpha_0.005
{e67208f95998116494847ec02ea49182}_fusebox_fusebox,
c:/railo/webapps/root/ccms/parsed/profile.update.cfm)
The Error Occurred in
C:\Railo\webapps\ROOT\fusebox5\Application.cfc: line 117
115:
116:
117:
118:
119:
called fromC:\Railo\webapps\ROOT\CCMS\Application.cfc: line 127
125:
126:
127:
128:
129:
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Re: mod_rewrite issue on fusebox 5
You need a slash at the front of your rule (and you DO need to escape both the question mark and period): RewriteRule ^/index.cfm\?fuseaction=test\.test$ bob.html cheers, barneyb On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Matthew Gersting wrote: > > Hey gang, > Having an issue I was hoping someone might have an answer to. > > I have a mod_rewrite rule: > > RewriteRule ^index.cfm?fuseaction=test.test$ bob.html > > The problem is that this is not getting caught and rewritten, it's going > through to the Fusebox. I've also tried escpacing the "?" and the "." both > alone and together (as below) without any luckany thoughts? > > RewriteRule ^index.cfm\?fuseaction=test.test$ bob.html > RewriteRule ^index.cfm\?fuseaction=test\.test$ bob.html > > ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330074 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
mod_rewrite issue on fusebox 5
Hey gang, Having an issue I was hoping someone might have an answer to. I have a mod_rewrite rule: RewriteRule ^index.cfm?fuseaction=test.test$ bob.html The problem is that this is not getting caught and rewritten, it's going through to the Fusebox. I've also tried escpacing the "?" and the "." both alone and together (as below) without any luckany thoughts? RewriteRule ^index.cfm\?fuseaction=test.test$ bob.html RewriteRule ^index.cfm\?fuseaction=test\.test$ bob.html ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330073 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: fusebox layout adding to csv?
What version of fusebox is it?
You should be able to swap or suppress the layout around the csv content.
-Original Message-
From: Glyn Jackson [mailto:glyn.jack...@newebia.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 9:12 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: fusebox layout adding to csv?
Hi I have an old fusebox app i am working on. it outputs a csv file with
data however the html (layout) is also getting added to the csv? anyone know
why.
function cleanField(sField){
sField = (replace(sField,",",";","All"));
sField = (replace(sField,chr(13)&chr(10),";","All"));
sField = (replace(sField,chr(13),";","All"));
sField = (replace(sField,chr(10),";","All"));
sField = (replace(sField,";;",";","All"));
return sField;
}
#variables.colName#=#variables.colVal#,
#csv_TextBuffer.toString()#
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fusebox layout adding to csv?
Hi I have an old fusebox app i am working on. it outputs a csv file with data
however the html (layout) is also getting added to the csv? anyone know why.
function cleanField(sField){
sField = (replace(sField,",",";","All"));
sField = (replace(sField,chr(13)&chr(10),";","All"));
sField = (replace(sField,chr(13),";","All"));
sField = (replace(sField,chr(10),";","All"));
sField = (replace(sField,";;",";","All"));
return sField;
}
#variables.colName#=#variables.colVal#,
#csv_TextBuffer.toString()#
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RE: cfmodule and fusebox
Thanks Barney.. Chalk this one up to end of day brain fart... -- Scott Stewart ColdFusion Developer 4405 Oakshyre Way Raleigh, NC 27616 (h) 919.874.6229 (c) 703.220.2835 -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:bboisv...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 4:30 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: cfmodule and fusebox The former. Attributes on the CFMODULE tag are passed to the custom tag in the attributes scope, exactly the same as any other custom tag invocation (CF_ prefix, CFIMPORT, CFMODULE name="..."). myTag.cfm: Hello, #attributes.name#! test.cfm: output: Hello Scott! Hello world! Hello barney! cheers, barneyb On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > We're using fuse-q (based around fb 3?) > > > > And I'm trying to use cfmodule to redirect to another page.. > > > > Is the syntax: > > > > > > > > Or attributes.fuseaction="usermanager.editor"> > > > > -- > Scott Stewart > ColdFusion Developer > 4405 Oakshyre Way > Raleigh, NC 27616 > (h) 919.874.6229 (c) 703.220.2835 > > > > > > ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:323131 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: cfmodule and fusebox
The former. Attributes on the CFMODULE tag are passed to the custom tag in the attributes scope, exactly the same as any other custom tag invocation (CF_ prefix, CFIMPORT, CFMODULE name="..."). myTag.cfm: Hello, #attributes.name#! test.cfm: output: Hello Scott! Hello world! Hello barney! cheers, barneyb On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > We're using fuse-q (based around fb 3?) > > > > And I'm trying to use cfmodule to redirect to another page.. > > > > Is the syntax: > > > > > > > > Or attributes.fuseaction="usermanager.editor"> > > > > -- > Scott Stewart > ColdFusion Developer > 4405 Oakshyre Way > Raleigh, NC 27616 > (h) 919.874.6229 (c) 703.220.2835 > > > > > > ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:323130 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
cfmodule and fusebox
We're using fuse-q (based around fb 3?) And I'm trying to use cfmodule to redirect to another page.. Is the syntax: Or -- Scott Stewart ColdFusion Developer 4405 Oakshyre Way Raleigh, NC 27616 (h) 919.874.6229 (c) 703.220.2835 ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:323129 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Looking for a Fusebox 4+ or 5+ eCommerce solution
> I am on the hunt for a CF Fusebox 4+ or 5+ eCommerce solution, and > can't find any -- other than the demos at Fusebox.org. > > Has no one developed such a thing? I would build one myself, but I > just don't know how I would find the time to do so. CFWebstore is a somewhat modified FB3 app, so it's closer than most of what is out there. I'd been looking at migrating it over to FB 5.5 which should at least be considerably easier than converting it would have been on the earlier 4/5 releases, just have a lot of other more important things to work on at the moment (the vast majority of my users really couldn't care less about the FB version...and many would prefer I don't change the code at all. ;-) If moving it to FB 5.5 might be something you would consider assisting with, we could probably work some kind of trade out. It certainly would be a lot less work than writing something from scratch, depending on the level of functionality you needed. --- Mary Jo Sminkey Author of CFWebstore, ColdFusion Ecommerce http://www.cfwebstore.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:321259 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Looking for a Fusebox 4+ or 5+ eCommerce solution
Hi Folks! I am on the hunt for a CF Fusebox 4+ or 5+ eCommerce solution, and can't find any -- other than the demos at Fusebox.org. Has no one developed such a thing? I would build one myself, but I just don't know how I would find the time to do so. Surely there must be something out there... -- Cheers! Michael David ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:321235 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Learning Fusebox 5.5 -- Seeking guidance / mentor
Concur. Should have been more clear: "How to Drive Fusebox 5.5" *requires*"Fusebox 5 & FLiP: Master-Class ColdFusion Applications" or equivalent FB knowledge. On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Mary Jo Sminkey wrote: > > >Assuming you're not opposed to books, www.protonarts.com (when the site's > >working :-( ) has two books you should purchase: "Fusebox 5 & FLiP: > >Master-Class ColdFusion Applications" and "How to Drive Fusebox 5.5" both > by > >Jeff Peters (www.grokfusebox.com). > > I'm not really sure I'd recommend the Fusebox 5.5 for a complete newcomer. > It's a decent enough book on 5.5 but seems to be very much written for > people already familiar with Fusebox in terms of what's new in 5.5 and how > you would redo a FB5 application without XML. The intro to the book even > says this, that you should have experience with Fusebox prior to reading it. > > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:318856 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Learning Fusebox 5.5 -- Seeking guidance / mentor
Thanks, I am in the group. On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:51 AM, John Whish wrote: > > Hey Joel, > You definitely want to sign up to the Yahoo group. I did do a few posts > about the no XML flavour of Fusebox which might be of interest > http://www.aliaspooryorik.com/blog/. The skeleton apps on the Fusebox site > are definitely a good starting point. > Good luck! > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:318840 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Learning Fusebox 5.5 -- Seeking guidance / mentor
Hey Joel, You definitely want to sign up to the Yahoo group. I did do a few posts about the no XML flavour of Fusebox which might be of interest http://www.aliaspooryorik.com/blog/. The skeleton apps on the Fusebox site are definitely a good starting point. Good luck! ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:318837 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Learning Fusebox 5.5 -- Seeking guidance / mentor
>Assuming you're not opposed to books, www.protonarts.com (when the site's >working :-( ) has two books you should purchase: "Fusebox 5 & FLiP: >Master-Class ColdFusion Applications" and "How to Drive Fusebox 5.5" both by >Jeff Peters (www.grokfusebox.com). I'm not really sure I'd recommend the Fusebox 5.5 for a complete newcomer. It's a decent enough book on 5.5 but seems to be very much written for people already familiar with Fusebox in terms of what's new in 5.5 and how you would redo a FB5 application without XML. The intro to the book even says this, that you should have experience with Fusebox prior to reading it. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:318830 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Learning Fusebox 5.5 -- Seeking guidance / mentor
did you join the fusebox5 yahoogroups mailing list? That's a good resource. Mike Joel Polsky wrote: > I've been searching around and there seems to be limited tutorials on FB 5.5 > -- there's quite a bit on 4.x -- and the references in the 5.x say that the > 4.0 tutorials and code samples "for the most part also work with Fusebox 5" - > which is scary as I don't know what will and won't work and how to tell, as > it's ALL NEW to me! > > Can someone point me to a site that has GOOD tutorials for a newbie in the > Fusebox world. I need basic understanding of the framework, where stuff > goes, what it does, and where I put my stuff so it works. (Also how to make > the friendly url's!) > > Thanks in Advance!! > > Joel > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:318823 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Learning Fusebox 5.5 -- Seeking guidance / mentor
And apparently I might John's email :) Adam On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 4:08 PM, John M Bliss wrote: > > Assuming you're not opposed to books, www.protonarts.com (when the site's > working :-( ) has two books you should purchase: "Fusebox 5 & FLiP: > Master-Class ColdFusion Applications" and "How to Drive Fusebox 5.5" both > by > Jeff Peters (www.grokfusebox.com). > > Other Fusebox resources to bookmark and/or subscribe to, in order of > usefulness to me: > > 1. http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/fusebox5/ > 2. http://www.fusebox.org/forums/ > 3. Blogs: > http://fusebox.org/go/fusebox-community/community-resources/blogs > 4. Sites: > http://fusebox.org/go/fusebox-community/community-resources/web-sites > 5. Training: > http://fusebox.org/go/fusebox-community/community-resources/training > > > On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Joel Polsky wrote: > > > > > I've been searching around and there seems to be limited tutorials on FB > > 5.5 -- there's quite a bit on 4.x -- and the references in the 5.x say > that > > the 4.0 tutorials and code samples "for the most part also work with > Fusebox > > 5" - which is scary as I don't know what will and won't work and how to > > tell, as it's ALL NEW to me! > > > > Can someone point me to a site that has GOOD tutorials for a newbie in > the > > Fusebox world. I need basic understanding of the framework, where stuff > > goes, what it does, and where I put my stuff so it works. (Also how to > make > > the friendly url's!) > > > > Thanks in Advance!! > > > > Joel > > > > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:318815 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Learning Fusebox 5.5 -- Seeking guidance / mentor
Fusebox 4 - > 5 is almost always the same, just don't stray off the beaten path (like making your own lexicons or plugins) and you will be fine. Fusebox 5 was sort of like ColdFusion 5 -> 6 Complete rewrite with a couple of tweak an addtions. The current version 5.5.x introduce some implicit circuits and what nots (the release notes do a fairly adequate job explaining that). As for a tutorials I am working on a couple of things right now (contrary to what the site says I am the lead developer of Fusebox now, I really need to get that changed ehh?) others will most likely have some advice and check out the sample apps on Fusebox.org as well as the skelton app that is packed up. As for mentoring check out our yahoo group: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/fusebox5/ It's fairly active and folks on there are a great help. Other resources: http://www.fuseboxframework.org/go/fusebox-downloads/sample-applications http://trac.fuseboxframework.org/fusebox/ http://www.fuseboxipedia.com/index.cfm http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/fusebox5/ (again :) ) There are also various blogs around with good articles about fusebox, my own being http://cfrant.blogspot.com. Adam Haskell On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Joel Polsky wrote: > > I've been searching around and there seems to be limited tutorials on FB > 5.5 -- there's quite a bit on 4.x -- and the references in the 5.x say that > the 4.0 tutorials and code samples "for the most part also work with Fusebox > 5" - which is scary as I don't know what will and won't work and how to > tell, as it's ALL NEW to me! > > Can someone point me to a site that has GOOD tutorials for a newbie in the > Fusebox world. I need basic understanding of the framework, where stuff > goes, what it does, and where I put my stuff so it works. (Also how to make > the friendly url's!) > > Thanks in Advance!! > > Joel > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:318814 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Fusebox book?
24th of this month is a class "Intro to Fusebox" and next month is "Intermediate Fusebox 5" http://teratech.com/go/training/class-schedule?trainingaction=detail&TID=358 $400 class and a $300 plane ticket... I'm sure you'll make up that $700 in productivity in the next few months. Greg Luce Luce Consulting Services, Inc. www.luceconsulting.net (863) 273-0289 On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 7:28 PM, John M Bliss wrote: > > SEE thread from earlier today for my 2 cents: > > http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:58671#318786 > > On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Joe wrote: > > > > > I've been asked to start on a new project from the ground up and I'm > > interested in using FB55 for this project. I haven't been able to find > any > > good tutorials on it and I've spent the last cpl of weeks trying to > reverse > > engineer the Cat Club samples on the Fusebox site with limited success. > > Can > > anyone recommend any online resources that they've used previously? I'm > > considering buying the following book: > > > > http://www.cafepress.com/protonarts.297794563 > > > > Any opinions? > > > > tia, > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:318812 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Fusebox book?
SEE thread from earlier today for my 2 cents: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:58671#318786 On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Joe wrote: > > I've been asked to start on a new project from the ground up and I'm > interested in using FB55 for this project. I haven't been able to find any > good tutorials on it and I've spent the last cpl of weeks trying to reverse > engineer the Cat Club samples on the Fusebox site with limited success. > Can > anyone recommend any online resources that they've used previously? I'm > considering buying the following book: > > http://www.cafepress.com/protonarts.297794563 > > Any opinions? > > tia, > > - Joe > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:318804 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Fusebox book?
I've been asked to start on a new project from the ground up and I'm interested in using FB55 for this project. I haven't been able to find any good tutorials on it and I've spent the last cpl of weeks trying to reverse engineer the Cat Club samples on the Fusebox site with limited success. Can anyone recommend any online resources that they've used previously? I'm considering buying the following book: http://www.cafepress.com/protonarts.297794563 Any opinions? tia, - Joe ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:318802 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Learning Fusebox 5.5 -- Seeking guidance / mentor
Assuming you're not opposed to books, www.protonarts.com (when the site's working :-( ) has two books you should purchase: "Fusebox 5 & FLiP: Master-Class ColdFusion Applications" and "How to Drive Fusebox 5.5" both by Jeff Peters (www.grokfusebox.com). Other Fusebox resources to bookmark and/or subscribe to, in order of usefulness to me: 1. http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/fusebox5/ 2. http://www.fusebox.org/forums/ 3. Blogs: http://fusebox.org/go/fusebox-community/community-resources/blogs 4. Sites: http://fusebox.org/go/fusebox-community/community-resources/web-sites 5. Training: http://fusebox.org/go/fusebox-community/community-resources/training On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Joel Polsky wrote: > > I've been searching around and there seems to be limited tutorials on FB > 5.5 -- there's quite a bit on 4.x -- and the references in the 5.x say that > the 4.0 tutorials and code samples "for the most part also work with Fusebox > 5" - which is scary as I don't know what will and won't work and how to > tell, as it's ALL NEW to me! > > Can someone point me to a site that has GOOD tutorials for a newbie in the > Fusebox world. I need basic understanding of the framework, where stuff > goes, what it does, and where I put my stuff so it works. (Also how to make > the friendly url's!) > > Thanks in Advance!! > > Joel > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:318786 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Learning Fusebox 5.5 -- Seeking guidance / mentor
IF they were local to me sure! I'd need online or in person (preferred) Thanks >Joel, > >Try one of Teratech's Fusebox classes. I've taken a couple of them. > >Greg Luce >Luce Consulting Services, Inc. >www.luceconsulting.net >(863) 273-0289 > > > > > >> ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:318785 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Learning Fusebox 5.5 -- Seeking guidance / mentor
Joel, Try one of Teratech's Fusebox classes. I've taken a couple of them. Greg Luce Luce Consulting Services, Inc. www.luceconsulting.net (863) 273-0289 On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Joel Polsky wrote: > > I've been searching around and there seems to be limited tutorials on FB > 5.5 -- there's quite a bit on 4.x -- and the references in the 5.x say that > the 4.0 tutorials and code samples "for the most part also work with Fusebox > 5" - which is scary as I don't know what will and won't work and how to > tell, as it's ALL NEW to me! > > Can someone point me to a site that has GOOD tutorials for a newbie in the > Fusebox world. I need basic understanding of the framework, where stuff > goes, what it does, and where I put my stuff so it works. (Also how to make > the friendly url's!) > > Thanks in Advance!! > > Joel > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:318783 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Learning Fusebox 5.5 -- Seeking guidance / mentor
I've been searching around and there seems to be limited tutorials on FB 5.5 -- there's quite a bit on 4.x -- and the references in the 5.x say that the 4.0 tutorials and code samples "for the most part also work with Fusebox 5" - which is scary as I don't know what will and won't work and how to tell, as it's ALL NEW to me! Can someone point me to a site that has GOOD tutorials for a newbie in the Fusebox world. I need basic understanding of the framework, where stuff goes, what it does, and where I put my stuff so it works. (Also how to make the friendly url's!) Thanks in Advance!! Joel ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:318777 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Are nested loops allowed in fusebox 5?
OK, one last point just for accuracy. Fusebox does NOT rely on the Coldfusion language. There is also Fusebox for php. One of the reasons for the XML was to make it platform agnostic. Greg Luce Luce Consulting Services, Inc. (863) 273-0289 On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Claude Schneegans < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Are nested loops allowed in fusebox 5? > > I'm not sure I understand your question: > Fusebox is not a language, just a framework, and as such has no mean to > allow > loops or not. > Fusebox relies on the ColdFusion language, and yes, CF allows nested loops. > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:312487 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Are nested loops allowed in fusebox 5?
Hi, I have tried the following and it worked! Thanks guys! - Original Message From: Nathan Strutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: CF-Talk Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 4:36:17 PM Subject: Re: Are nested loops allowed in fusebox 5? Claude, DA is probably talking about the fusebox XML language, which is, in essence a programming language (a DSL even). In that case, yes, you should be able to nest loops. Maybe posting some code asking why it's not working would be a better idea. In general, it goes like this: nathan strutz http://www.dopefly.com/ Manager - AZCFUG http://www.azcfug.org/ On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Claude Schneegans < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Are nested loops allowed in fusebox 5? > > I'm not sure I understand your question: > Fusebox is not a language, just a framework, and as such has no mean to > allow > loops or not. > Fusebox relies on the ColdFusion language, and yes, CF allows nested loops. > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:312480 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Are nested loops allowed in fusebox 5?
Nathan Struts said: > In that case, yes, you should be able to nest loops. Oh, well I guess I was wrong. Thanks Nathan. :) -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 781.769.0723 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:312479 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Are nested loops allowed in fusebox 5?
> >>Are nested loops allowed in fusebox 5? > > I'm not sure I understand your question: > Fusebox is not a language, just a framework, and as such has no mean > to allow loops or not. Fusebox relies on the ColdFusion language, > and yes, CF allows nested loops. Actually that's inaccurate. It depends on how you're using Fusebox -- version 5.5 of the framework offers several different "modes" of handling "implicit" circuits, but still allows you to use the XML syntax from previous versions. Unlike Mach-II or Model-Glue which only include framework-specific constructs in their XML syntax, the Fusebox XML syntax actually does allow for the declaration of flow-control constructs like loops. Nathan Struts published a cheat-sheet for the XML syntax here: http://www.dopefly.com/projects/fuseboxxmlcheatsheet.cfm Last I knew however, the statements in Fusebox XML could not be nested either. I remember reading some talk of rewriting it to allow nested if statements, but I don't know if that ever happened. I wouldn't expect the Fusebox XML grammar to allow nested loops. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 781.769.0723 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:312478 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Are nested loops allowed in fusebox 5?
> I'm not sure I understand your question: > Fusebox is not a language, just a framework, and as such has no mean to > allow > loops or not. > Fusebox relies on the ColdFusion language, and yes, CF allows nested > loops. Fusebox 4 had its own xml-based syntax for flow control, I think this is what he's referring to. I'm not sure what the answer to the question is though. Check out fusebox.org, probably there's more information there. -- Josh ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:312477 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Are nested loops allowed in fusebox 5?
In the Fusebox XML, you can nest verbs arbitrarily. Note that 'do' is not a verb, so you can't nest that one. So you can put loops inside loops, ifs inside ifs, ifs inside loops inside ifs inside loops, ad nauseum. cheers, barneyb On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Claude Schneegans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Are nested loops allowed in fusebox 5? > > I'm not sure I understand your question: > Fusebox is not a language, just a framework, and as such has no mean to > allow > loops or not. > Fusebox relies on the ColdFusion language, and yes, CF allows nested loops. > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:312476 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Are nested loops allowed in fusebox 5?
Claude, DA is probably talking about the fusebox XML language, which is, in essence a programming language (a DSL even). In that case, yes, you should be able to nest loops. Maybe posting some code asking why it's not working would be a better idea. In general, it goes like this: nathan strutz http://www.dopefly.com/ Manager - AZCFUG http://www.azcfug.org/ On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Claude Schneegans < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Are nested loops allowed in fusebox 5? > > I'm not sure I understand your question: > Fusebox is not a language, just a framework, and as such has no mean to > allow > loops or not. > Fusebox relies on the ColdFusion language, and yes, CF allows nested loops. > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:312475 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Are nested loops allowed in fusebox 5?
>>Are nested loops allowed in fusebox 5? I'm not sure I understand your question: Fusebox is not a language, just a framework, and as such has no mean to allow loops or not. Fusebox relies on the ColdFusion language, and yes, CF allows nested loops. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:312472 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Are nested loops allowed in fusebox 5?
Hi All, Are nested loops allowed in fusebox 5? If so, can I have the syntax? Thanks DA ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:312471 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: fusebox vs model glue
hi, apologies for the delayed thanks! - but thanks very much there are some excellent points here and really made me understand. seeing as we are doing everything to understand OO and change our applications into OO it sounds like we should stick with it - it is really helping us understand it further thanks again for your comments > hi > > we have just reviewed model glue, and have also looked into fusebox > very briefly > > is fusebox similiar to model glue? and if so is it a case of using one > or the other? and if so then what are your feelings on which one is > better? > > thanks for your help > > richard ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:312070 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: TDD vs. Big Ball of Mud (was Re: fusebox vs model glue)
I don't know anyone who thinks that TDD is the be-all-end-all of software development. The reality is that it does offer some very tangible benefits: - Everyone writes some kind of test. It might be a scribble pad that you run to make sure something works. It might be that you write code and then run the application and try to confirm that the code does what it should. Unit testing simply formalizes this and makes it a process that can be easily documented and repeated. - Writing a test first does help you determine the design of the code you're going to write. If you're writing a new block of code or a new method, writing the test helps you look at it from an API perspective: What do I have to pass in? What do I expect to get back? What can go wrong? - In a dynamic language like ColdFusion, unit tests pretty quickly become essential. Since we have no compiler, we can't catch any errors until runtime. And since values can be nearly any type, without tests that enforce input and output requirements it is extremely easy to write code that seems to work fine on the surface, or at least doesn't throw an error when you run it. It might be much later that something goes wrong. Tests help reduce the likelihood of this. - When a bug is found, if you add it to the test you make it far more unlikely that that bug can reappear. - Perhaps most importantly, creating and maintaining a suite of unit tests makes ongoing development much, much easier. If you make a change, it is incredibly useful to be able to run all of your tests and be fairly confident that you didn't break something else. Of course this isn't a guarantee, but it is vastly more reassuring than having no tests at all. Now, should TDD give one complete confidence? Of course not. But it offers a lot of benefits anyway, and it offers far more confidence than not having any tests. It is for these reasons (which I would call very pragmatic reasons) that I would recommend that everyone follow TDD. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:312024 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: TDD vs. Big Ball of Mud (was Re: fusebox vs model glue)
Well, it's kind of cool that cf-talk is having the TDD argument. Don't really mind how it turns out. Makes me feel good about being a CF programmer. @Bill, Thanks for the links. The thing that intrigues me about a lot of the TDD debate, including these articles you point to, is that most of the anti-TDD side of the argument ends up espousing pretty much all of the principles of TDD in the very act of trying to refute it. So a lot of the debate is actually about people reacting to what they see as extremism and overly prescriptive statements. IMHO, there's nothing wrong with strongly stating a principle - everyone knows that principles get modified in application - but it's true that some people get way too personal about it. The rest of the debate is along the lines of "I blindly followed the letter of the TDD law while ignoring the principles and it didn't work for me - therefore TDD is flawed." The poster then lays out how they manage to apply all the principles of TDD in some other way that is superficially different from "cookbook" TDD. So leaving those two smokescreens aside, I have yet to see anyone even attempt to seriously contradict the principles of TDD - but I'm still looking! Jaime > -Original Message- > From: Bill Shelton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, 4 September 2008 1:59 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: TDD vs. Big Ball of Mud (was Re: fusebox vs model glue) > > I'm not going to get into the discussion of whether or not TDD is good, > bad, or should be done lest you are just stupid and ugly. Anytime, or > anyway, you think hard about the software you deliver, it's is going to be > better than if you just bang it out with one eye open and hope no one sees > it's shortcomings. TDD kind of forces you to open both eyes. TDD seems to > work for some and others it does not - why is that? > > This one has been floating around this year, and with good cause: "The > Flawed Theory Behind Unit Testing" - > http://michaelfeathers.typepad.com/michael_feathers_blog/2008/06/the- > flawed-theo.html > > > Here's some other really interesting debates on TDD: > > Cedric Beust wrote the TestNG framework, with others, and though a total > hard-core tester, openly criticizes TDD: > http://beust.com/weblog/archives/000477.html > > "Uncle" Bob Martin has some good responses to Cedric as well as some other > good points: http://butunclebob.com/ArticleS.UncleBob > > > I hope I have few illusions about the quality of my software. Today, I > truly believe my delivered software is only as good as the tests that have > executed it. In other words, the number of defects is directly > proportionals to how thoroughly it's been tested - either manually or > through automation. > > best, > bill > > > > > >> It's actually switching over, to where the tests come first, that's > >> the hard part, for me. Due to a lot of the reasons listed in that > >> article about big balls of mud. :] > > > >I'm not entirely convinced that writing the test before writing the code > >is the best strategy... or at least that it's the best strategy for > >everyone. Development work by its nature means doing things that (we > >hope anyway) haven't been done before. And while you may have some ideas > >about how to accomplish those things ahead of time, the human brain is > >really just not equipped to map out large numbers of variables > >accurately in advance. > > > > snip ... > > >-- > >s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch > > isn't it time for a change? > > ph: 781.769.0723 > > > >http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:312012 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: TDD vs. Big Ball of Mud (was Re: fusebox vs model glue)
I'm not going to get into the discussion of whether or not TDD is good, bad, or should be done lest you are just stupid and ugly. Anytime, or anyway, you think hard about the software you deliver, it's is going to be better than if you just bang it out with one eye open and hope no one sees it's shortcomings. TDD kind of forces you to open both eyes. TDD seems to work for some and others it does not - why is that? This one has been floating around this year, and with good cause: "The Flawed Theory Behind Unit Testing" -http://michaelfeathers.typepad.com/michael_feathers_blog/2008/06/the-flawed-theo.html Here's some other really interesting debates on TDD: Cedric Beust wrote the TestNG framework, with others, and though a total hard-core tester, openly criticizes TDD: http://beust.com/weblog/archives/000477.html "Uncle" Bob Martin has some good responses to Cedric as well as some other good points: http://butunclebob.com/ArticleS.UncleBob I hope I have few illusions about the quality of my software. Today, I truly believe my delivered software is only as good as the tests that have executed it. In other words, the number of defects is directly proportionals to how thoroughly it's been tested - either manually or through automation. best, bill >> It's actually switching over, to where the tests come first, that's >> the hard part, for me. Due to a lot of the reasons listed in that >> article about big balls of mud. :] > >I'm not entirely convinced that writing the test before writing the code >is the best strategy... or at least that it's the best strategy for >everyone. Development work by its nature means doing things that (we >hope anyway) haven't been done before. And while you may have some ideas >about how to accomplish those things ahead of time, the human brain is >really just not equipped to map out large numbers of variables >accurately in advance. > snip ... >-- >s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch > isn't it time for a change? > ph: 781.769.0723 > >http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311992 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: TDD vs. Big Ball of Mud (was Re: fusebox vs model glue)
I like that you've been thinking about thinking while writing your framework, Isaac. I dig that. :-) The way I'm currently tackling the tests, is to try to work them into my routine. That hard part is, as been mentioned, not having to go back a lot to keep it all in sync. I wonder if this ties into keeping branches synced up with trunk and whatnot with SVN... heh. Somehow similar... Anyways, where I'd, before, just keep doing stuff in a scribble file, sorta testing, building, testing (but not saving any tests), I now try to save the tests, sorta. It is hard to write tests that are easy to refactor, but it's getting easier as time goes by. There are sweeping changes sometimes, and I'm a sweeping changer, for all my not much changing... but it really does save time having those old tests, of the various bits. If just in having that history/memory refresher... I'm still working on the testing of the behaviors, I guess, because I'm quite often including stuff in later tests that are tested themselves, but should be stubs (instead of the real things), just to verify the behavior, but that's still sorta beyond me. Basically I can see cascading fails, where I don't think you'd have that with stubs and whatnot. It still works, but I could see how it would work better to keep it strictly to interactions, vs. creating and whatnot. If that makes sense. Probably didn't explain it too clear since I'm still twirling the ideas around in my head, sorta. I get the failure aspect of overthinking, or overengineering, and I battle those twin demons (or maybe it's just one demon with two heads), and other, more Rube Goldberg-ish impulses, but I have actually seen some pretty good return on tests, even with poor style, as it were. What sells me, is projects like the javascript toolkit "dojo". That thing is verbose, but put together really well. It's a snap to read the sources, and there are some good standards, and *various* types of tests, from your more literal "it passed!" to your, "here a few random examples". I've had really good luck refactoring and keeping up-to date with it, and I attribute the majority there to well written code. It has been really interesting to watch it evolve. Same with projects like Eclipse and whatnot. Apache, hell, it's been ages. I think that part of the reason open source is kicking ass, is because it's really tackled the problems of the future, you know? There's a lot of history, too, that we can learn from, all the various flavors of OSes.. Mozilla... from sources open to closed to a mix of the two... but, heh, the battle of big balls of mud... Maybe it's fundamental. Part of nature. Something about entropy or whatnot, ya know? Chaos and order, a spinning yin-yang of seasons. :] Balance. I'm trying to hold it, but it still sorta feels like jumping from one side to the other, versus just sorta maintaining. Not exactly smooth... but not too rough. Hmmm... maybe it will be easier if I go faster! HaHA! -- There is no such thing as a 'self-made' man. We are made up of thousands of others. George Matthew Adams ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311897 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: fusebox vs model glue
They all have their ups and downs, I would imagine. I can vouch for the fact that well-written MG apps, as I assume is the same for the other frameworks, are pretty easy to debug and whatnot. Poorly written, however, sucks donkey balls. And I've written some code that deserves to be flushed. I'd love to see it do that little circle... well, guess it's more of a spiral... :-) Seems like that's just how it goes. A lot depends on your background, strengths, weakness, etc., as to which you'd be able to get up to speed with faster. And there are some cool choices out there. It ain't just FB and MG, and yes, it all takes time, but ideas can be worth, like, millions-- and everyone seems to say that trying new things gives them "new" ideas. I know, I know... time is money, and there is a bottom line, and that cold hard logic we all must at least pay some sort of tribute to... But there's more to it than just the... machine mentality, or whatever. Time is funky-- sometimes a little investment frees up more than you'd think, later on... whatever you choose to invest in.. or maybe it's sorta like art, and some kinds are more appealing, just cause. Eh, I'm not really sure where I'm going with this. Heh. It can all be crap, and it can all be roses, and somehow there's a relation? Bah. :-) :D -- There is no such thing as a 'self-made' man. We are made up of thousands of others. George Matthew Adams On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > Which I have run into with MG...most of what we are doing is made overly > complex by using MG, which in turns made it overly difficult to debug when > we had probs. I can see where MG would be very useful for a very complex > application...but I don't think it is the solution for everyone. I > personally prefer the ease of use and flow of FB (or more specifically, my > bastardized version of FB ;-) which based on a combination of my personal > coding style that is very close to a fusebox-esque style and a version that > we were forced to use due to draconian server restrictions at > AT&T ). > > Eric ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311896 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: TDD vs. Big Ball of Mud (was Re: fusebox vs model glue)
> Whoa, hold it right there. Show me the TDD advocate who promotes > writing all tests before writing code and I'll personally have their > card revoked! TDD means write a test, then write some code, then write > another testby the time you write your last test, you've written > all your code bar that last function. You will actually rewrite less > of your stuff than otherwise, because writing tests first really > brings a poorly factored design into the spotlight much earlier than > would otherwise happen. That's probably true some of the time... I'm not necessarily convinced it's true most of the time... And I'm going to delve a bit into the land of personal anecdote (yeah yeah) to comment on this one here, rather than citing other cognitive studies. My own experience at various companies has been that "big picture" changes to the system often have to be made mid-project. It seems to happen because in the initial planning stages there's a certain kind of inherent myopia that we all seem to fall prey to where we're focusing on getting the design fleshed out for a small part of the system and because we're focused on that small "unit" we don't notice a larger interoperability issue. On my last project we had clients who were probably fairly typical in wanting the application to read their minds. (And I'll be the first to say I love really good intuitive designs that seem like they're actually doing that.) Except on this project mind reading had been promised up front. So we've got this application with a multi-page form and two things are demanded. 1) never under any circumstances should the application ever forget anything that a person has typed into any field, even if they abandon that page of the form 2) never under any circumstances should the application ever display information in a form field that the user doesn't want in that field. So right off the bat, if the user changes their mind, hits back then goes forward again, the system is supposed to magically know that they changed their mind. I'm not just griping to gripe, there's a point to this. :) So this multi-page form actually has a 2nd multi-page form embedded in the middle of it. It's a custom project management app and each project has phases. Up to this point, the user enters the info on a particular page, that gets saved to the database (if valid) before they go back to a previous tab or before they go forward to the next tab. In a normal, intelligent design you would think the name of the phase should be somewhere on the first page of the multi-page form to enter phases, so that, if nothing else there is at least a label to identify it. Not so. It's part of the spec that the name of the phase is entered on page 2. And I'm told in no uncertain terms that this decision is from the client and therefore set in stone. It's also part of the spec that they should be able to go "back" to previous pages of the form and then return and as previously mentioned, the application should never ever forget anything under any circumstances... So since the data on page 1 of the form is saved to the database and has no label, I add the label "unnamed" when they're looking at the list of phases to indicate that a particular phase was abandoned halfway. This maintains 1) remembering the information they entered and 2) gives them the opportunity to delete the item if they really had decided they didn't want it. Then the problem -- "it should never say 'unnamed' in the list of phases... if they change their mind about entering a phase, it should just throw it away"... ummm... this violates the first few principles of the design. That it should always remember everything and it should allow them to go "back" to previous pages in the form without forgetting. And of course nobody noticed this major design flaw because everyone was focused on small units of the design and didn't notice the big picture. We went round and round trying to get the thing settled. And had I written behavioral tests for these things I'm sure a lot of them would have had to be rewritten because of mid-project design changes that were a result of thinking about things as isolated "units" in the early part of the design. (Which seems to catch us all off-guard, myself included.) Now I'm not necessarily saying that's the majority of projects or even that it's the way things should be. It's just been my experience that these kinds of things happen ... well they've happened to just about every project I can remember having worked on... More of the ubiquitous forces behind that "big ball of mud" design pattern that's so popular. When I worked for SiteManageware in Ft Lauderdale we were working on an overhaul of the pricing system and I think we ended up essentially going back to scratch on the technique two or three times. I don't even necessarily mind the idea of "thinking outloud into a test case"... but to be the devil's advocate, I'm not convinced it results
Re: TDD vs. Big Ball of Mud (was Re: fusebox vs model glue)
> TDD advocate here... I really think folks are going into TDD with > this mindset that it's just write a test before you write code (so yes > your are somewhat right). Doing this is going to result in frustration > and an eventual failure and abandonment of TDD. Focusing on just > writing a test is really the wrong approach The fact is some > very smart folks have realized TDD was a horrible name for a great > idea as it put us into this mind set of testing a unit. This is > why many folks (mostly outside of the CF community) are "evolving" TDD > into BDD (behaviour driven development). I could ramble on more > probably but I think I've said enough for now, maybe this deserves a > blog post? Thanks Adam, I'd be interested in reading more about that. :) I hadn't heard about the shift in thinking from TDD to BDD. There's an old apocryphal story I like about how language helps to shape thought. The story goes that the people in a particular area (let's say it was an island) were having a problem in which people were falling into unexplained comas and they feared people were being burried alive. They wanted to resolve this problem, so they assigned the task of devising a solution to two teams and would then choose the best of the two. One team produced a solution that was complicated, time consuming, labor intensive, questionably effective and expensive. The other team produced a solution that was unquestionably fast, cheap and effective (you might call this an "elegant solution"). The complicated solution was to burry each person with a small amount of food and water and raise a pipe from the coffin up to ground level so that if the person woke from their coma they could call up to someone monitoring the grave sites and help would rush to pull them out. After a few days they could be reasonably assured the person had died and fill in the pipe. Problems involved rain flooding the coffin, etc. The question posed to the team who produced this solution: how to we keep from burrying people who are still alive? The "elegant" solution was to mount a 6-inch spike to the inside of the coffin lid at roughly chest-height. When you closed the lid of the coffin, you would remove all doubt that the person could still be alive. The question posed to the team who produced this solution: how to we ensure that everyone we bury is dead? I've been trying to come up with a good way of explaining a similar kind of shift in thinking with regard to the notion of a "front controller" and I'm not sure how well I've done in that regard. It's posted on the onTap framework wiki as "The Rear Controller and You". The basic premise of my calling this a new design pattern (as opposed to simply describing it as a sub-set of the front controller) is to flip the thinking involved in the "front controller" away from forcing everything to deal with the challenges of the front controller (the application says "I INSIST you speak to me THIS WAY") and instead allow the controller to do the work more seamlessly by saying something to the effect of "I don't know X but if you hum a few bars I can fake it". :P The system accomodates both the traditional front controller index.cfm?event=company.about style urls as well as more traditional /company/about.cfm style urls which makes it a trivial matter to move pages into or out of the framework without changing any existing URLs. For anyone interested in the Rear Controller design pattern, you can find more information here: http://ontap.wikispaces.com/The+Rear+Controller+and+You -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 781.769.0723 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311888 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: TDD vs. Big Ball of Mud (was Re: fusebox vs model glue)
> -Original Message- > From: s. isaac dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2008 3:06 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: TDD vs. Big Ball of Mud (was Re: fusebox vs model glue) > > And so it's an assumed that the TDD advocates who talk about writing all > your tests before writing your code will be overconfident about their > design. Whoa, hold it right there. Show me the TDD advocate who promotes writing all tests before writing code and I'll personally have their card revoked! TDD means write a test, then write some code, then write another testby the time you write your last test, you've written all your code bar that last function. You will actually rewrite less of your stuff than otherwise, because writing tests first really brings a poorly factored design into the spotlight much earlier than would otherwise happen. The assertion is that if you can't write a test you don't *have* a design, or indeed a clear intention. And if your tests are hard to write, it's because you have a bad design. So given all of this, it's hard to argue that the right thing to do in this situation is to go ahead and write some code anyway. "Thinking out loud" in code is fine, but thinking out loud into a test case is even better. @Adam: Agreed that "behaviour" is a better word. I also like the last "D" to stand for "design". "Test driven design" takes away some of the quality-control mindset that's introduced by the word "test". Jaime ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311887 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: fusebox vs model glue
> Eric sometime we should talk about these draconian restrictions and > what you've had to do with Fusebox, drop me a line sometime. I imagine you were thinking something like I was... What was it in Fusebox (of all things) that would be anathema to the server managers at AT&T? FB's always struck me as being pretty non-invasive from the standpoint of server requirements, irrespective of the fact that it's generally not my tool of choice. -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 781.769.0723 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311886 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: TDD vs. Big Ball of Mud (was Re: fusebox vs model glue)
TDD advocate here... I really think folks are going into TDD with this mindset that it's just write a test before you write code (so yes your are somewhat right). Doing this is going to result in frustration and an eventual failure and abandonment of TDD. Focusing on just writing a test is really the wrong approach, hell the fact you get some tests out of TDD is just a nicity. Use TDD or do not the value to me is the thought process involved this is the indispensable part of TDD. The problem comes in to the fact that how do I teach a group of people good TDD in a 1 hour (hell 2 hour) session at a conference? I am attempting it at bFusion, hopefully it will turn out well and I can take it on the road so to speak ;) Here's my short synopsis of how we stand with TDD: Proper TDD seeks to break down that 80% failure by focusing on putting more thought into your *design*. We can either write, rewrite and rewrite production code, or we can write and rewrite test cases until we are more confident with the design. Then we may only write and refactor production code once or twice. I'd much rather see that happen. The fact is some very smart folks have realized TDD was a horrible name for a great idea as it put us into this mind set of testing a unit. With this mindset we focus on asserting simple values and string, or looking at booleans of a unit. What the hell is a unit anyway? A CFC? A Method? The whole concept of a unit is based off its context. Really what TDD should be about is testing the behavior and (more importantly in many systems) the interaction of objects in the system. This is why many folks (mostly outside of the CF community) are "evolving" TDD into BDD (behaviour driven development). It's the same thing just worded differently. Instead of using a word like testing which someone assumes oh just write tests first, this name sort of smacks you in the face. FOCUS ON BEHAVIOUR, yet if you read up on BDD its all about validating your design (fancy way of saying test ;) ). I could ramble on more probably but I think I've said enough for now, maybe this deserves a blog post? Adam On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 1:05 PM, s. isaac dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's actually switching over, to where the tests come first, that's > > the hard part, for me. Due to a lot of the reasons listed in that > > article about big balls of mud. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311882 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: fusebox vs model glue
Eric sometime we should talk about these draconian restrictions and what you've had to do with Fusebox, drop me a line sometime. Adam On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Eric Roberts < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Which I have run into with MG...most of what we are doing is made > overly > complex by using MG, which in turns made it overly difficult to debug when > we had probs. I can see where MG would be very useful for a very complex > application...but I don't think it is the solution for everyone. I > personally prefer the ease of use and flow of FB (or more specifically, my > bastardized version of FB ;-) which based on a combination of my personal > coding style that is very close to a fusebox-esque style and a version that > we were forced to use due to draconian server restrictions at > AT&T ). > > Eric > > /*-Original Message- > /*From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > /*Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 11:01 AM > /*To: CF-Talk > /*Subject: Re: fusebox vs model glue > /* > /*>denstar wrote: > /*>> Sounds like with FB you could end up with a Pretty Entertaining > /*Environment. > /*> > /*>*groans* > /*> > /*>> Is there a down side to all the flexibility? :-) > /*> > /*>Yes. It means that no 2 application developers will develop websites the > /*>same way. Though IMHO, that's not much of a downside. > /* > /*It could also mean that you end up with it going down the TOtally > /*Ineffective Ludicrous Entertaining Technology or TOILET. > /* > /*ok its been a long weekend. > /* > /* > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311881 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: fusebox vs model glue
Which I have run into with MG...most of what we are doing is made overly complex by using MG, which in turns made it overly difficult to debug when we had probs. I can see where MG would be very useful for a very complex application...but I don't think it is the solution for everyone. I personally prefer the ease of use and flow of FB (or more specifically, my bastardized version of FB ;-) which based on a combination of my personal coding style that is very close to a fusebox-esque style and a version that we were forced to use due to draconian server restrictions at AT&T ). Eric /*-Original Message- /*From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 11:01 AM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: Re: fusebox vs model glue /* /*>denstar wrote: /*>> Sounds like with FB you could end up with a Pretty Entertaining /*Environment. /*> /*>*groans* /*> /*>> Is there a down side to all the flexibility? :-) /*> /*>Yes. It means that no 2 application developers will develop websites the /*>same way. Though IMHO, that's not much of a downside. /* /*It could also mean that you end up with it going down the TOtally /*Ineffective Ludicrous Entertaining Technology or TOILET. /* /*ok its been a long weekend. /* /* ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311879 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
TDD vs. Big Ball of Mud (was Re: fusebox vs model glue)
> It's actually switching over, to where the tests come first, that's > the hard part, for me. Due to a lot of the reasons listed in that > article about big balls of mud. :] I'm not entirely convinced that writing the test before writing the code is the best strategy... or at least that it's the best strategy for everyone. Development work by its nature means doing things that (we hope anyway) haven't been done before. And while you may have some ideas about how to accomplish those things ahead of time, the human brain is really just not equipped to map out large numbers of variables accurately in advance. I realize of course as soon as having said this a lot of TDD advocates will say "but you're not mapping out large numbers of variables in advance, you're mapping out small individual 'units'". Which is again what I think Hermes Conrad would call "technically correct... the best kind of correct". Even though you might be writing tests for a very small "unit" like an individual function, the reality is that you're still basically trying to start from E=MC2 and reverse engineer three gigantic chalk-boards full of equations to get to that solution. It works yes, I'm just not convinced it's the most efficient method. The reason I'm not convinced it's efficient is because I know there's a reason for the 80% failure rate in R&D. (Which not enough programmers are familiar with - good start on Wikipedia.) And don't treat programming as an R&D discipline like it should be treated. It's human nature to assume that things are easier than they are -- to be overconfident. You can't get around that, it just is. And humans are predisposed to be wrong about everything due to confirmation bias. The Wason Selection task proved that. And so it's an assumed that the TDD advocates who talk about writing all your tests before writing your code will be overconfident about their design. Over the course of development it will be necessary to rewrite about 80% of the initial design. And consequently about 80% of the tests... but if you write them in advance and you continue to rewrite them when the design changes, it's not just 80%, it will end up that in the best circumstances, you've (re)written something like 1000 lines of test code for every 20 lines of functional code. These are also forces that contribute significantly to the big ball of mud in spite of the fact that they're not described in Foote and Yoder's treatment of it. It's a shame that more of us in the IT industry haven't read up on cognitive bias. I'm not an expert, just saying based on what I've read it seems *really* important and the IT industry as a whole is almost completely unaware of any of it. I wanted to actually point to an example I know I saw where Matt Woodward had posted a comment on the Mach-II wiki about developers underestimating the challenges involved in maintaining code being a reason for one of their new features in 1.5. I'm having difficulty locating that particular comment at the moment. Anyway without using the term, he was describing precisely the effect of overconfidence bias. Showing really that you'll be affected by these things whether you're aware of them or not. Better imo to have at least an awareness of the research into cognitive bias even if you can't be an expert. > Maintaining the tests is what's hard for me. I don't do it right, so > I have to update them, instead of the other way around. So given what I've said above, I don't think this is just you. :) I think it's the approach to TDD. I think there's great promise in TDD though I'm not convinced the most effective approach to TDD is what's widely practiced (yet) in much the same way that most sold software in practice is in some kind of "big ball of mud" in spite of the fact that we have all this really good design available to us. > I'm sorta thinking that there should be some ways to automate a lot of > test creation. Or a way of flipping the problem on it's head... > something like introspection combined with a metasploit sorta deal... > hmm... sometimes the things I come up with are just pie in the sky > (or, not well thought out, conversely), See "overconfidence bias". :) > so I feel bad writing tests and stuff before I know the idea will work, > but I should stop that. Freaking throwaway code! But hey, maybe I'm > just planning on tossing at least the first version of everything. =] I'm thinking personally it may be better to work the tests into the middle, once you know it works and before it goes into maintenance mode. Not on an entire large application, but on a mid-sized logical bundle like a handful of CFCs that manage X. Though that leads to another problem in that once you're at that stage, there's a real risk of not getting around to writing the tests because either your boss sees what you've accomplished and insists that you immediately get on to the next section of the project without stopping to write the tests (because he doesn't u
Re: fusebox vs model glue
>denstar wrote: >> Sounds like with FB you could end up with a Pretty Entertaining Environment. > >*groans* > >> Is there a down side to all the flexibility? :-) > >Yes. It means that no 2 application developers will develop websites the >same way. Though IMHO, that's not much of a downside. It could also mean that you end up with it going down the TOtally Ineffective Ludicrous Entertaining Technology or TOILET. ok its been a long weekend. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311877 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: fusebox vs model glue
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 11:11 PM, s. isaac dealey wrote: > TDD is on my ever growing list of things to tackle. :) Not something I'm > doing currently, but it is something I plan to do at some point. It's cool, really, to have the computer do stuff it can do, while you're doing other stuff, so to speak. I like the idea of self-tests, actually, but I'm not quite "there" yet. > Hopefully it will also help when I start getting into TDD. Maintaining the tests is what's hard for me. I don't do it right, so I have to update them, instead of the other way around. I'm sure if you've got some structure going there, writing tests and whatnot will not be too hard. It's actually switching over, to where the tests come first, that's the hard part, for me. Due to a lot of the reasons listed in that article about big balls of mud. :] I might never do it, and just move to a higher level modeling language, and then just generate tests for stuff. Naw, I guess I've already sorta started using tests to flesh things out. I can't tell you how impressed I am with packages that have huge test suites... but I love watching stuff do other stuff, sorta. Those green or red marks churning by are titillating. Gives you a sense of confidence (false, of course, and moreso with poorly written tests, but still pretty swell ;] ). > Speaking of the big ball of mud I actually did sit down the other day > and read through the entire article written by Brian Foote and Joseph > Yoder. It's an interesting read and while it's not all entirely > practical (at least not right away), I think there's some good wisdom to > keep in mind in there. > > Full article at http://www.laputan.org/mud/ It's a fun one. Every time I come across it I read some/most of it again. Nice to see the problems laid out simply, with some, as you said, good ideas for handling them. Thanks for the link. I'm sorta thinking that there should be some ways to automate a lot of test creation. Or a way of flipping the problem on it's head... something like introspection combined with a metasploit sorta deal... hmm... sometimes the things I come up with are just pie in the sky (or, not well thought out, conversely), so I feel bad writing tests and stuff before I know the idea will work, but I should stop that. Freaking throwaway code! But hey, maybe I'm just planning on tossing at least the first version of everything. =] Well, this is getting well off the framework versus path. Although, this is exactly the stuff frameworks are on about, ain't it? Sorta. Heh. Apologies anyways, folks. |-} -- The key to wisdom is this - constant and frequent questioning, for by doubting we are led to question and by questioning we arrive at the truth. Peter Abelard ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311872 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: fusebox vs model glue
> Hey, Isaac, you got unit tests being generated as well? I'd toss that > in there, while you're at generating stuff. > I'm loving my tests... TDD is on my ever growing list of things to tackle. :) Not something I'm doing currently, but it is something I plan to do at some point. As of yet I haven't been hit by any maintenance steamrollers tho... I'm generally able to switch tracks pretty quickly... For example, prior to this latest version (3.2) of the onTap framework and for as far back as I can remember, the bulk of the code in a framework application has been inside a /_components/ directory. In version 3.2 I made a sudden decision to change the name of that directory to /_tap/ ... I realize a lot of folks might say "wha?! what for?", but I was looking at it one day and some comments I had made about being surprised by some variable names in Galleon that weren't very specific (i.e. could result in namespace conflicts), and realizing that /_components/ might be somewhat confusing and perhaps a little less likely also be a directory someone else already had in their web root. And it occurred to me that /_tap/ might be a bit more specific, less confusing, etc. So I decided to make the change... A few days or maybe a week later (also amidst a 9-5 job) I think I had completely weeded out all references to /_components/. Now it's possible that I was able to do it that quickly because I really don't have a life and mostly spend my spare time sitting in front of this machine working on software. :P Though I like to think that the reason why I was able to make such a sweeping change so easily is really because although I know it has its faults (like any software system does) by and large the framework has never been a "big ball of mud". So I'm able to make "big" changes like that quickly becuase everything is so well encapsulated. It helps make maintenance and debugging easier. Hopefully it will also help when I start getting into TDD. Speaking of the big ball of mud I actually did sit down the other day and read through the entire article written by Brian Foote and Joseph Yoder. It's an interesting read and while it's not all entirely practical (at least not right away), I think there's some good wisdom to keep in mind in there. Full article at http://www.laputan.org/mud/ -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 781.769.0723 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311868 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: fusebox vs model glue
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Phillip M. Vector wrote: > denstar wrote: >> Sounds like with FB you could end up with a Pretty Entertaining Environment. > > *groans* First I was going to go with Pretty Incredible, Sophisticated and Simple-- but thought that it was a little much. =] >> Is there a down side to all the flexibility? :-) > > Yes. It means that no 2 application developers will develop websites the > same way. Though IMHO, that's not much of a downside. I was just having a gas, I wasn't really implying that X framework forces one to be organized. It's just as easy to Create Rockingly Applicable Performant code with any framework, I reckon. The key, IMO, is getting the concepts, more than the FWs themselves. FWs can help, but it takes real thinking, in the end, no matter what (well, I guess. Maybe there will be a point in time where I'm like "yes, this goes here, and that goes there!", and not have any question about where X should go... but I doubt it. I don't, (from years of watching) think that it works that way)). Hmmm, so long as we're talking acronyms, what about some TDD, folks? Hey, Isaac, you got unit tests being generated as well? I'd toss that in there, while you're at generating stuff. I'm loving my tests... But screw writing all that STUFF by hand. -- The history of philosophy is not, like the history of the sciences, to be studied with the intellect alone. That which is receptive in us and that which impinges upon us from history is the reality of man's being, unfolding itself in thought. Karl Jaspers ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311859 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: fusebox vs model glue
> Hell yes there can be a downside to flexibility. That's one of the > things I've always complain about with fusebox, but I am not planning > on changing that flexibility. With a good set of best practices and > coding standards you can wrangle in the variations some and not loose > all your flexibility, unless you make a stupid standards that are too > rigid like you must always use CFCs. You can further alleviate > unneeded variance with code reviews and good design principles. I tend to agree with Adam's assessment. I've attempted to create an environment with the onTap framework which offers that similar flexibility to start out with quick procedural coding and then quickly and easily refactor it as needed into an OO/SOA approach. What I'm really working on mostly in the past month or two has been to grow the community more than anything else. I am still working on code, but it's not all for things I'll be using myself. Right now I'm working on something I always said I never cared for -- a code generator. Specifically a scaffolding tool I'm calling FireLadder. I probably won't use it for my own applications, however, I know that a lot of folks are interested in having it and so that's why I'm working to provide one. And while the scaffold tool will create cleanly separated models, views and controllers and hook them into the framework's IoC Manager (part of it's overall SOA design), the tool itself isn't quite that sophisticated because it really doesn't need to be, and because an application in production doesn't need the extra load of having a scaffolding tool loaded up into its SOA config since it should never be used by your clients or visitors. At least to me, it makes more sense for a "one time" building tool like this to simply build the infrastructure and then get out of your way. And I'm always excited to get more feedback at http://on.tapogee.com -- or on the new wiki or google group. We even added blog-style comments to the entire framework site. So the home page and every page of the documentation now has comments at the bottom to help us tweak them and make them better. :) -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 781.769.0723 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311858 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: fusebox vs model glue
Hell yes there can be a downside to flexibility. That's one of the things I've always complain about with fusebox, but I am not planning on changing that flexibility. With a good set of best practices and coding standards you can wrangle in the variations some and not loose all your flexibility, unless you make a stupid standards that are too rigid like you must always use CFCs. You can further alleviate unneeded variance with code reviews and good design principles. Adam! On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Phillip M. Vector < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > denstar wrote: > > Sounds like with FB you could end up with a Pretty Entertaining > Environment. > > *groans* > > > Is there a down side to all the flexibility? :-) > > Yes. It means that no 2 application developers will develop websites the > same way. Though IMHO, that's not much of a downside. > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311855 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: fusebox vs model glue
denstar wrote: > Sounds like with FB you could end up with a Pretty Entertaining Environment. *groans* > Is there a down side to all the flexibility? :-) Yes. It means that no 2 application developers will develop websites the same way. Though IMHO, that's not much of a downside. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311854 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: fusebox vs model glue
Sounds like with FB you could end up with a Pretty Entertaining Environment. Is there a down side to all the flexibility? :-) -- The community of masses of human beings has produced an order of life in regulated channels which connects individuals in a technically functioning organisation, but not inwardly from the historicity of their souls. Karl Jaspers On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 9:00 AM, Adam Haskell wrote: > Disclaimer: I just took over the Fusebox core files so my opinion is most > likely slaned ;) > > > Well the easy answer here is no they are not similar and yes use one or the > other. The hard answer is that evil last one. What's the maturity level of > you/your group? Fusebox offers a vast bit more flexibility in how you code > (not forcing you into an OO, or pseudo OO approach) if you think you are > just doing CRUD applications most of the time you will most likely end up > with a Procedural Object Oriented Program (yep thats right you end up with > POOP) if you use MG. Thats not to say poop in this regard is always a bad > thing just know what you are heading for and accept that you will pay the OO > hit for all your applications regardless of the nessecity for OO. This is > one on of the reason I sort of like fusebox it can be made to compliment > different levels of applications. You have an application that is very > behaviour driven with a rich domain model? No problem model it out and use > Fusebox as a nice front end controller. You have a reporting app that is > chock full of complex queries but not much more? No problem write out your > queries in a coule of qry_ files and display them with some layouts and dsp_ > pages. Why take the OO hit for a reporting app? Fusebox is not the silver > bullet mind you, but it has not failed me yet in an enterprise with more > than 20 apps written in fusebox ranging from internal workflow apps to > enterprise level CMS apps. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311853 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: fusebox vs model glue
Disclaimer: I just took over the Fusebox core files so my opinion is most likely slaned ;) Well the easy answer here is no they are not similar and yes use one or the other. The hard answer is that evil last one. What's the maturity level of you/your group? Fusebox offers a vast bit more flexibility in how you code (not forcing you into an OO, or pseudo OO approach) if you think you are just doing CRUD applications most of the time you will most likely end up with a Procedural Object Oriented Program (yep thats right you end up with POOP) if you use MG. Thats not to say poop in this regard is always a bad thing just know what you are heading for and accept that you will pay the OO hit for all your applications regardless of the nessecity for OO. This is one on of the reason I sort of like fusebox it can be made to compliment different levels of applications. You have an application that is very behaviour driven with a rich domain model? No problem model it out and use Fusebox as a nice front end controller. You have a reporting app that is chock full of complex queries but not much more? No problem write out your queries in a coule of qry_ files and display them with some layouts and dsp_ pages. Why take the OO hit for a reporting app? Fusebox is not the silver bullet mind you, but it has not failed me yet in an enterprise with more than 20 apps written in fusebox ranging from internal workflow apps to enterprise level CMS apps. Adam On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Richard White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hi > > we have just reviewed model glue, and have also looked into fusebox very > briefly > > is fusebox similiar to model glue? and if so is it a case of using one or > the other? and if so then what are your feelings on which one is better? > > thanks for your help > > richard > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311851 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: fusebox vs model glue
Oh... Beyond belief. :) I could try to explain HOW confusing... but I can't even begin to explain it. That's how confusing it is. :) But the last 5 contracts I did (with different people) had Model Glue with a "fusebox like" setup (or standard fusebox). Hopefully, I'm just unlucky and this isn't a trend. s. isaac dealey wrote: > I would expect that to be fairly confusing. :P ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311698 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: fusebox vs model glue
> Hell of a well-thought out post. I was going to snip it down and > keep only relevant bits, but it was all pretty relevant (so um yeah... > i snipped it all) :) Thanks Chuck! Actually I do appreciate the complement. :) > i think once you grok the basics of one, learning others won't be > *nearly* as daunting or intimidating. that's not to say > they're "interchangeable", but it's definitely easier to learn your > 2nd framework than your first. so, with all due respect to > both you and Brian... i'd still stick with that response. yes, it > *is* confusing and difficult if you are new to a frameworks and OO. > but you're only new to frameworks the first time :) > obviously, there's still learning to do. and everyone's time is at a > premium. i'm not suggesting building something along the lines of a > full-blown CMS application with each framework. for my foray into > ColdBox, i took a page from Dan Wilson's book and did a simple contact > manager. I will actually nod general agreement to everything you've said here. :) Though I will also say that as an individual developer and having already had a good deal of experience with Fusebox 3 and 4 it still took me a good 2 weeks or maybe a little more of solid work to get those Galleon Ports done and the Model-Glue and Mach-II versions weren't quite finished. A few things to note about that 1) I did take a day out to swap Ray's cfqueries for my own ORM, which I did not do for any of the other frameworks (ColdBox, Fusebox, etc.) because none of them had built-in ORMs. (I didn't do FarCry, sorry. Didn't occur to me at the time, though it does have a built-in ORM called FourQ.) 2) I'm not sure if most developers would have put the kind of time I put into that. That's not intended as any kind of disrespect to other developers... Sean Corfield may be a notable exception, since I know he's done similar things in the past... but I really wouldn't expect most programmers to have the kind of lack of sleep or social life that I usually have (largely due to autism). In the end I think I might prefer not to be autistic and have a social life, but that's not the set of cards I've been dealt. 3) I personally consider Galleon to be a pretty small application... I'm not sure if it qualifies as being as small as the theoretical contact manager, but that's my take on it anyway. There are only about 4 or 5 tables in the database - users, conferences, forums, threads and messages. So I'm not sure how that compares to the contact manager for size. All that being said, even though the Model-Glue and Mach-II ports were never really completed, the purpose really was to show that knowledge of frameworks does transfer from one to the next like you said, so that having a general understanding of frameworks is ultimately more important than which framework you choose to start with. And moreover that learning any framework will help give you that general understanding. The article merely gives you a way to read through the side-by-side comparisons to help you get a generalized understanding up-front without necessarily having to start by building something in each framework yourself. More like a primer. Once you've read it, that should help make the transition a bit smoother. And yes I do promote my own framework a lot in the article. :) -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 781.769.0723 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311697 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: fusebox vs model glue
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 5:24 PM, s. isaac dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey Ike: Hell of a well-thought out post. I was going to snip it down and keep only relevant bits, but it was all pretty relevant (so um yeah... i snipped it all) :) the one point i'd like to try and make in response is that, yes... learning a single framework can be daunting and/or intimidating... so suggesting "learn them all and pick the one that feels right" might seem like bad advice (or, at the very least, less good advice). but here's the thing... i think once you grok the basics of one, learning others won't be *nearly* as daunting or intimidating. as i had alluded to... the fact that i had somewhat of a grasp of fusebox definitely helped me in picking up model-glue. that's not to say they're "interchangeable", but it's definitely easier to learn your 2nd framework than your first. i've recently started to play around with ColdBox and again... understanding the concepts behind a front-controller MVC framework has made it much easier. so, with all due respect to both you and Brian... i'd still stick with that response. yes, it *is* confusing and difficult if you are new to a frameworks and OO. but you're only new to frameworks (maybe less the OO piece) the first time :) after that it's more "hmm... i'm used to doing it -this way- in "framework x"... i see that "framework y" does it like -this-. obviously, there's still learning to do. and everyone's time is at a premium. i'm not suggesting building something along the lines of a full-blown CMS application with each framework. for my foray into ColdBox, i took a page from Dan Wilson's book and did a simple contact manager. the investment of time, and the frustration of trying to grasp something new... that's all part of learning. it's not always fun, but i've generally found it to be well worth the pain when the light bulb does finally go off :) -- A byte walks into a bar and orders a pint. Bartender asks him "What's wrong?" Byte says "Parity error." Bartender nods and says "Yeah, I thought you looked a bit off." ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311692 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: fusebox vs model glue
> I may be in the minority here, but I've come into several projects that > use Model Glue AND fusebox (turning it into a confusing mess for us > developers who don't know much OO programing). > > If you do happen to pick a framework, if possible, please try to stick > to that one. :) I would expect that to be fairly confusing. :P -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 781.769.0723 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311691 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: fusebox vs model glue
I may be in the minority here, but I've come into several projects that use Model Glue AND fusebox (turning it into a confusing mess for us developers who don't know much OO programing). If you do happen to pick a framework, if possible, please try to stick to that one. :) ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311689 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: fusebox vs model glue
> Richard White said: > is fusebox similiar to model glue? and if so is it a case of using > one or the other? and if so then what are your feelings on which one > is better? Although it might not mean much right now, I'll say very briefly that Model-Glue is an OO framework, meaning that, if you're not using OO now, you WILL use OO if you start using MG, because the framework doesn't give you a choice in the matter. That's not intended to be derogatory, some people consider this a benefit. Fusebox on the other hand offers a variety of different ways to develop your application that can actually be used interchangeably. So one circuit may be designed in an OO manner while others are designed in a procedural manner. That's also not necessarily an endorsement of Fusebox either. Some people consider this a drawback. :) > Charlie (Good) Griefer said: > that being said, your best bet as to determining which one is "better" > (for you) would be to build small sample apps with both, and see which > one feels better for you. This is an answer that a lot of folks give when the question of "best framework" crops up. (In addition of course to the variety of people who answer to say "Fusebox" or "ColdBox" or "FarCry".) A while back Brian Rinaldi had this comment about that approach: "Personally, I dislike the advice of building sample apps with each Framework. It is confusing and difficult if you are new to a frameworks and OO and it is time consuming. Therefore completely unrealistic unless you have lots of spare time." Sean Corfield of course always gives the answer "it depends", which if I'm being pragmatic is pretty appropriate. If you've got a group of programmers who're comfortable with a particular style of development, you're liable to lose productivity if you try the "sink or swim" approach with a framework that uses a really different approach. So it makes sense in general to choose a framework that your team is comfortable with. If you're new to frameworks in general though, often the array of available frameworks can be rather intimidating, and a lot of folks end up putting off learning frameworks in general in the hopes that soon the "one true (standard) framework" will come along and be the obvious choice for every project. Although if you find yourself in that position, the thing to remember is this: it won't. That's not a criticism either, it's just human nature to be indecisive for fear of losing options. Here's a blog I wrote about natural indecisiveness with regard to frameworks: http://ontap.riaforge.org/blog/index.cfm/2008/5/2/Indecisive Shortly after that I started working on a project that may interest you in which I ported Ray Camden's Galleon forums to several different frameworks. I chose Model-Glue, Mach-II, ColdBox, 2-flavors of Fusebox and my own onTap framework. The article here shows a comparison of how different common tasks are accomplished with each framework and you can download the archive with all the ports of Galleon if you want to see the actual code used to port them: http://on.tapogee.com/galleonproject/ That should give you a birds-eye view of the different frameworks without having to take the time to redevelop the same application several times, since I've already done that. :) Although it doesn't get into some of the more specific details of the other frameworks, like it won't explain what addResult() is in Model-Glue or why you need it (a very OO concept). Lastly I will say that the other four frameworks are all "front controller" frameworks, so urls like index.cfm?event=yadda.yadda will be common across the board. The onTap framework on the other hand is a "rear controller" framework, and while it will *allow* urls like that, it's designed to offer the flexibility to allow you to write URLs however you prefer. As a matter of fact, pages can be easily moved into or out of the framework without changing their URL at all and without the person visiting your site needing to know that you're even using any kind of framework. There's an article about the "rear controller" design pattern on the framework wiki here: http://ontap.wikispaces.com/The+Rear+Controller+and+You Good luck in your selection process :) ike -- s. isaac dealey ^ new epoch isn't it time for a change? ph: 781.769.0723 http://onTap.riaforge.org/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311688 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: fusebox vs model glue
> hi > > we have just reviewed model glue, and have also looked into fusebox > very briefly It might be good to also review Coldbox. www.coldboxframework.com Will ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311680 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: fusebox vs model glue
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Richard White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hi > > we have just reviewed model glue, and have also looked into fusebox very > briefly > > is fusebox similiar to model glue? and if so is it a case of using one or > the other? and if so then what are your feelings on which one is better? > > thanks for your help > > richard > wow. this should be interesting :) which one is "better" is going to be highly *highly* subjective. the first framework that I learned was Fusebox (4.1). it did make learning Model-Glue easier, as there are a number of similarities, and I could take MG concepts and think of it as, "oh... this would be ___ in fusebox". personally, i'm a huge proponent of the concept of frameworks (whether it's a community-supported one or your own home-grown). they help standardize your development, promote a consistent way of coding, and if done right, do make smaller bits of reusable code. so IMHO, there's no "wrong" answer to which is "better". whichever framework you choose, if implemented properly, will give you these benefits. that being said, your best bet as to determining which one is "better" (for you) would be to build small sample apps with both, and see which one feels better for you. -- A byte walks into a bar and orders a pint. Bartender asks him "What's wrong?" Byte says "Parity error." Bartender nods and says "Yeah, I thought you looked a bit off." ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311678 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
fusebox vs model glue
hi we have just reviewed model glue, and have also looked into fusebox very briefly is fusebox similiar to model glue? and if so is it a case of using one or the other? and if so then what are your feelings on which one is better? thanks for your help richard ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:311677 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Using attributes within cfqueryparam in Fusebox application
I would check to make sure that the cfsqltype you are using matches the data being passed in, as well as the column in the database. Please post the actual error. ~Brad - Original Message - From: "Mark Kruger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:27 PM Subject: RE: Using attributes within cfqueryparam in Fusebox application > As long as the param exists no there is not a problem. What kind of > "binding > error" are you getting? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:309561 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Using attributes within cfqueryparam in Fusebox application
Is the attributes scope working as expected in other parts of the
application?
Dump the attributes scope ad make sure that the expected values exist and
are populated as you think they should be.
--
Scott Stewart
ColdFusion Developer
4405 Oakshyre Way
Raleigh, NC 27616
(h) 919.874.6229 (c) 703.220.2835
-Original Message-
From: Toni Steinhauer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 10:14 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Using attributes within cfqueryparam in Fusebox application
Is there a problem using 'attributes' instead of FORM or URL within
cfqueryparam? I am getting invalid binding errors on this insert:
INSERT INTO OrderHeader (Orderno, ItemTotal, Shipping, OrderTotal,
PurchaseDate, BuyerEmail, BuyerName,
Ship2Name, Ship2Addr1, Ship2Addr2,Ship2City,
Ship2State, Ship2Zip, Ship2Country, PaymentType, Card,
Exp, Bill2Name, Bill2Address, Bill2City, Bill2State,
Bill2Zip, Bill2Country, DayPhone, Fax, SiteID,
Comments, OrderType, Discount, EntryDate)
VALUES(
,
#itemtotal#,
#shipping#,
#total#,
#CreateODBCDate(Now())#,
,
'#bname#',
'#shipfname# #shiplname#',
'#shipaddress#',
'#shipaddress2#',
'#shipcity#',
'#shipstate#',
'#shipzip#',
'#shipcountry#',
,
'#ccr#',
'#expdate#',
'#bname# ,
,
,
'#bill2state#',
,
,
,
,
#siteid#,
,
0,
#discount#,
#CreateODBCDate(Now())#)
I have been able to do similar inserts in scripts that are not under Fusebox
using FORM and URL with no errors being thrown. I was just wondering if the
'attributes' is the problem. This is an older Fusebox 3 application. THANKS!
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RE: Using attributes within cfqueryparam in Fusebox application
As long as the param exists no there is not a problem. What kind of "binding
error" are you getting?
Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MCSE
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-Original Message-
From: Toni Steinhauer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:14 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Using attributes within cfqueryparam in Fusebox application
Is there a problem using 'attributes' instead of FORM or URL within
cfqueryparam? I am getting invalid binding errors on this insert:
INSERT INTO OrderHeader (Orderno, ItemTotal, Shipping, OrderTotal,
PurchaseDate, BuyerEmail, BuyerName,
Ship2Name, Ship2Addr1, Ship2Addr2,Ship2City,
Ship2State, Ship2Zip, Ship2Country, PaymentType, Card,
Exp, Bill2Name, Bill2Address, Bill2City, Bill2State,
Bill2Zip, Bill2Country, DayPhone, Fax, SiteID,
Comments, OrderType, Discount, EntryDate)
VALUES(
,
#itemtotal#,
#shipping#,
#total#,
#CreateODBCDate(Now())#,
,
'#bname#',
'#shipfname# #shiplname#',
'#shipaddress#',
'#shipaddress2#',
'#shipcity#',
'#shipstate#',
'#shipzip#',
'#shipcountry#',
,
'#ccr#',
'#expdate#',
'#bname# ,
,
,
'#bill2state#',
,
,
,
,
#siteid#,
,
0,
#discount#,
#CreateODBCDate(Now())#)
I have been able to do similar inserts in scripts that are not under Fusebox
using FORM and URL with no errors being thrown. I was just wondering if the
'attributes' is the problem. This is an older Fusebox 3 application. THANKS!
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Using attributes within cfqueryparam in Fusebox application
Is there a problem using 'attributes' instead of FORM or URL within
cfqueryparam? I am getting invalid binding errors on this insert:
INSERT INTO OrderHeader (Orderno, ItemTotal, Shipping, OrderTotal,
PurchaseDate, BuyerEmail, BuyerName,
Ship2Name, Ship2Addr1, Ship2Addr2,Ship2City,
Ship2State, Ship2Zip, Ship2Country, PaymentType, Card,
Exp, Bill2Name, Bill2Address, Bill2City, Bill2State,
Bill2Zip, Bill2Country, DayPhone, Fax, SiteID,
Comments, OrderType, Discount, EntryDate)
VALUES(
,
#itemtotal#,
#shipping#,
#total#,
#CreateODBCDate(Now())#,
,
'#bname#',
'#shipfname# #shiplname#',
'#shipaddress#',
'#shipaddress2#',
'#shipcity#',
'#shipstate#',
'#shipzip#',
'#shipcountry#',
,
'#ccr#',
'#expdate#',
'#bname# ,
,
,
'#bill2state#',
,
,
,
,
#siteid#,
,
0,
#discount#,
#CreateODBCDate(Now())#)
I have been able to do similar inserts in scripts that are not under Fusebox
using FORM and URL with no errors being thrown. I was just wondering if the
'attributes' is the problem. This is an older Fusebox 3 application. THANKS!
~|
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fusebox plugin for Dreamweaver
Does anyone know if there's a Fusebox extension for Dreamweaver CS? Thanks -- Scott Stewart ColdFusion Developer 4405 Oakshyre Way Raleigh, NC 27616 (h) 919.874.6229 (c) 703.220.2835 ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:308112 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Fusebox 4.1 Conditionals
Hi, Chris, I know for a fact that you could not nest tags like that in Fusebox 4.0. I'm pretty sure that you have to use Fusebox 5 or later to do that. -- Brian Swartzfager [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301328 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Fusebox 4.1 Conditionals
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Re: Running Multiple sites on 1 fusebox 5.1 app
Thanks. :) Not exactly what I hoping for, but it'll work for the basics
and I can expand on it later. Thank you. :)
Dave Anderson wrote:
>> I'm sure I'm overlooking something obvious..
>>
>> If I want to run 2 different sites on 1 fusebox app.. How would I do that?
>>
>> For example, let's say I own the domain www.foo.com and www.bar.com. I'd
>> like to direct people to one directory which will figure out what the
>> URL is and then load the appropriate pages. However, I want 2
>> directories. Foo and Bar so I can edit one site without worrying about
>> the other messing up.
>>
>> Is there a somewhat simple way to do this or do I need to load in 2
>> fusebox apps in different directories?
>
>
> Put this in your Application.cfc's onRequestStart method:
>
> switch (cgi.server_name) {
> case "bar.com": case "www.bar.com":
> request.siteID = 2;
> request.siteName = "Bar";
> defaultcase:
> request.siteID = 1;
> request.siteName = "Foo";
> break;
> }
>
> Then you can include templates or call cfc's with #request.siteName# in the
> path, like: template="#request.cfRoot#dsp/#request.siteName#/loginForm" /> or component="myApp.#Request.siteName#" method="whatever">. In my
> implementation of this practice, I've got a shared database as well. Parent
> tables usually contain 'siteID' fields, foreign keys from a 'site' table that
> contains the same definitions in the onRequestStart switch. (I really ought
> to dynamicize those site value definitions and param them to the app scope,
> loaded from the database, come to think of it.)
>
> If you really want to go looking for the purple banana, you can dynamically
> include css, js, layout, and other files too, and get the most out of that
> request.siteName variable.
>
>
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Re: Running Multiple sites on 1 fusebox 5.1 app
>I'm sure I'm overlooking something obvious..
>
>If I want to run 2 different sites on 1 fusebox app.. How would I do that?
>
>For example, let's say I own the domain www.foo.com and www.bar.com. I'd
>like to direct people to one directory which will figure out what the
>URL is and then load the appropriate pages. However, I want 2
>directories. Foo and Bar so I can edit one site without worrying about
>the other messing up.
>
>Is there a somewhat simple way to do this or do I need to load in 2
>fusebox apps in different directories?
Put this in your Application.cfc's onRequestStart method:
switch (cgi.server_name) {
case "bar.com": case "www.bar.com":
request.siteID = 2;
request.siteName = "Bar";
defaultcase:
request.siteID = 1;
request.siteName = "Foo";
break;
}
Then you can include templates or call cfc's with #request.siteName# in the
path, like: or . In my implementation
of this practice, I've got a shared database as well. Parent tables usually
contain 'siteID' fields, foreign keys from a 'site' table that contains the
same definitions in the onRequestStart switch. (I really ought to dynamicize
those site value definitions and param them to the app scope, loaded from the
database, come to think of it.)
If you really want to go looking for the purple banana, you can dynamically
include css, js, layout, and other files too, and get the most out of that
request.siteName variable.
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Re: Generate dynamic XML data set for Spry in Fusebox
Heh ok - then let me be more clear - I wish that the XML generated from XML would just plain work for FIrefox and other browsers. MS funky quotes break them. I would have assumed xmlFormat would have removed them as well. Maybe I assume too much. I think most folks would assume the same though. On 8/7/07, Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I didn't mean the Y per se - but like the MS Word Characters. > > If they are valid - nothing seems to like them very much. > > That's purely a matter of the specific application reading or writing the > XML. > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > http://www.figleaf.com/ > > Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized > instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, > Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. > Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! > > This email has been processed by SmoothZap - www.smoothwall.net > > > ~| Check out the new features and enhancements in the latest product release - download the "What's New PDF" now http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/coldfusion/cf8_beta_whatsnew_052907.pdf Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:285641 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Generate dynamic XML data set for Spry in Fusebox
> I didn't mean the Y per se - but like the MS Word Characters. > If they are valid - nothing seems to like them very much. That's purely a matter of the specific application reading or writing the XML. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! This email has been processed by SmoothZap - www.smoothwall.net ~| Get involved in the latest ColdFusion discussions, product development sharing, and articles on the Adobe Labs wiki. http://labs/adobe.com/wiki/index.php/ColdFusion_8 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:285633 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Generate dynamic XML data set for Spry in Fusebox
I didn't mean the Y per se - but like the MS Word Characters. If they are valid - nothing seems to like them very much. On 8/7/07, Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ah cool. So yeah - my little rant. Don't bother with > > XMLFOrmat. Well, I won't say don't bother - but XMLFormat > > will ignore certain invalid characters. > > This isn't a problem with XMLFormat. There are only five "built-in" XML > character entities, and XMLFormat replaces those. Characters like "ý" are > valid within XML. > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > http://www.figleaf.com/ > > Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized > instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, > Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. > Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! > > This email has been processed by SmoothZap - www.smoothwall.net > > > ~| Check out the new features and enhancements in the latest product release - download the "What's New PDF" now http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/coldfusion/cf8_beta_whatsnew_052907.pdf Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:285625 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Generate dynamic XML data set for Spry in Fusebox
Wait! I see it!
If you look at the response in Firebug, above the JSON you see:
Your code is injecting HTML in.
On 8/7/07, Raymond Camden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ah cool. So yeah - my little rant. Don't bother with XMLFOrmat. Well,
> I won't say don't bother - but XMLFormat will ignore certain invalid
> characters. This has caused me MUCH heartache.
>
> On 8/7/07, Elena Aminova <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > We do have the ""
> > set in the code but it seems the problem is with some of our data in the
> > database.
> >
> > Special chars like ý causes the generated xml file to be incomplete.
> >
> > By getting rid of these special chars the xml file was correctly generated
> > and used by spry's dataset within fusebox.
> >
> > Thank you very much for your help, Ray.
> >
> > > Oh ok - did you forget your cfcontent perhaps?
> > >
> > > http://www.coldfusionjedi.com/index.
> > > cfm/2007/8/6/Dont-forget-that-CFCONTENT-tag-when-working-with-Spry
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/7/07, Elena Aminova <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > All right, Ray, Let me try to rephrase my question:
> > > > the following code does not result in a drop down list of the data
> > > within a fusebox application. and yet calling the fuseaction directly
> > > from the browser does show the generated xml data. Its working when
> > > the page is set outside of fusebox... I am not sure if there is a
> > > connection, but it is what it is...
> > > > (as an aside, all I am trying to do is to get a dynamically
> > > generated drop down list of authors using 'auto suggest')
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > var dsProducts1 = new Spry.Data.XMLDataSet("index.
> > > cfm?fuseaction=testnames2","authors/author", { sortOnLoad: "name" });
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Elena.
> > > >
> > > > > Yes to q1. Spry could care less what your back end is. Fusebox.
> > > > > Model-Glue. Even dreaded PHP. Spry is entirely client side. Elves
> > > > > could make the XML - it wouldn't matter.
> > > > >
> > > > > As to your second question, it didn't make sense to me. :)
> > > > >
> > > > > On 8/7/07, Elena Aminova <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > Is it possible to dynamically generate XML data set for Spry in
> > > > > Fusebox 5.1?
> > > > > > It is possible to do that outside of Fusebox, but not in
> > > Fusebox
> > > > > framework. Did anyone encounter this issue yet?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Elena.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
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RE: Generate dynamic XML data set for Spry in Fusebox
> Ah cool. So yeah - my little rant. Don't bother with > XMLFOrmat. Well, I won't say don't bother - but XMLFormat > will ignore certain invalid characters. This isn't a problem with XMLFormat. There are only five "built-in" XML character entities, and XMLFormat replaces those. Characters like "ý" are valid within XML. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! This email has been processed by SmoothZap - www.smoothwall.net ~| Enterprise web applications, build robust, secure scalable apps today - Try it now ColdFusion Today ColdFusion 8 beta - Build next generation apps Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:285623 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Generate dynamic XML data set for Spry in Fusebox
Ah cool. So yeah - my little rant. Don't bother with XMLFOrmat. Well,
I won't say don't bother - but XMLFormat will ignore certain invalid
characters. This has caused me MUCH heartache.
On 8/7/07, Elena Aminova <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We do have the ""
> set in the code but it seems the problem is with some of our data in the
> database.
>
> Special chars like ý causes the generated xml file to be incomplete.
>
> By getting rid of these special chars the xml file was correctly generated
> and used by spry's dataset within fusebox.
>
> Thank you very much for your help, Ray.
>
> > Oh ok - did you forget your cfcontent perhaps?
> >
> > http://www.coldfusionjedi.com/index.
> > cfm/2007/8/6/Dont-forget-that-CFCONTENT-tag-when-working-with-Spry
> >
> >
> > On 8/7/07, Elena Aminova <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > All right, Ray, Let me try to rephrase my question:
> > > the following code does not result in a drop down list of the data
> > within a fusebox application. and yet calling the fuseaction directly
> > from the browser does show the generated xml data. Its working when
> > the page is set outside of fusebox... I am not sure if there is a
> > connection, but it is what it is...
> > > (as an aside, all I am trying to do is to get a dynamically
> > generated drop down list of authors using 'auto suggest')
> > >
> > >
> > > var dsProducts1 = new Spry.Data.XMLDataSet("index.
> > cfm?fuseaction=testnames2","authors/author", { sortOnLoad: "name" });
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Elena.
> > >
> > > > Yes to q1. Spry could care less what your back end is. Fusebox.
> > > > Model-Glue. Even dreaded PHP. Spry is entirely client side. Elves
> > > > could make the XML - it wouldn't matter.
> > > >
> > > > As to your second question, it didn't make sense to me. :)
> > > >
> > > > On 8/7/07, Elena Aminova <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > Is it possible to dynamically generate XML data set for Spry in
> > > > Fusebox 5.1?
> > > > > It is possible to do that outside of Fusebox, but not in
> > Fusebox
> > > > framework. Did anyone encounter this issue yet?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Elena.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
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Re: Generate dynamic XML data set for Spry in Fusebox
We do have the ""
set in the code but it seems the problem is with some of our data in the
database.
Special chars like ý causes the generated xml file to be incomplete.
By getting rid of these special chars the xml file was correctly generated and
used by spry's dataset within fusebox.
Thank you very much for your help, Ray.
> Oh ok - did you forget your cfcontent perhaps?
>
> http://www.coldfusionjedi.com/index.
> cfm/2007/8/6/Dont-forget-that-CFCONTENT-tag-when-working-with-Spry
>
>
> On 8/7/07, Elena Aminova <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > All right, Ray, Let me try to rephrase my question:
> > the following code does not result in a drop down list of the data
> within a fusebox application. and yet calling the fuseaction directly
> from the browser does show the generated xml data. Its working when
> the page is set outside of fusebox... I am not sure if there is a
> connection, but it is what it is...
> > (as an aside, all I am trying to do is to get a dynamically
> generated drop down list of authors using 'auto suggest')
> >
> >
> > var dsProducts1 = new Spry.Data.XMLDataSet("index.
> cfm?fuseaction=testnames2","authors/author", { sortOnLoad: "name" });
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Elena.
> >
> > > Yes to q1. Spry could care less what your back end is. Fusebox.
> > > Model-Glue. Even dreaded PHP. Spry is entirely client side. Elves
> > > could make the XML - it wouldn't matter.
> > >
> > > As to your second question, it didn't make sense to me. :)
> > >
> > > On 8/7/07, Elena Aminova <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Is it possible to dynamically generate XML data set for Spry in
> > > Fusebox 5.1?
> > > > It is possible to do that outside of Fusebox, but not in
> Fusebox
> > > framework. Did anyone encounter this issue yet?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Elena.
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Generate dynamic XML data set for Spry in Fusebox
Or any Fusebox or CF debugging, Fusebox layouts, etc?
On 8/7/07, Raymond Camden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Oh ok - did you forget your cfcontent perhaps?
>
>
> http://www.coldfusionjedi.com/index.cfm/2007/8/6/Dont-forget-that-CFCONTENT-tag-when-working-with-Spry
>
>
> On 8/7/07, Elena Aminova <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > All right, Ray, Let me try to rephrase my question:
> > the following code does not result in a drop down list of the data
> within a fusebox application. and yet calling the fuseaction directly from
> the browser does show the generated xml data. Its working when the page is
> set outside of fusebox... I am not sure if there is a connection, but it is
> what it is...
> > (as an aside, all I am trying to do is to get a dynamically generated
> drop down list of authors using 'auto suggest')
> >
> >
> > var dsProducts1 = new
> > Spry.Data.XMLDataSet("index.cfm?fuseaction=testnames2","authors/author",
> { sortOnLoad: "name" });
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Elena.
> >
> > > Yes to q1. Spry could care less what your back end is. Fusebox.
> > > Model-Glue. Even dreaded PHP. Spry is entirely client side. Elves
> > > could make the XML - it wouldn't matter.
> > >
> > > As to your second question, it didn't make sense to me. :)
> > >
> > > On 8/7/07, Elena Aminova <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Is it possible to dynamically generate XML data set for Spry in
> > > Fusebox 5.1?
> > > > It is possible to do that outside of Fusebox, but not in Fusebox
> > > framework. Did anyone encounter this issue yet?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Elena.
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Oh ok - did you forget your cfcontent perhaps?
http://www.coldfusionjedi.com/index.cfm/2007/8/6/Dont-forget-that-CFCONTENT-tag-when-working-with-Spry
On 8/7/07, Elena Aminova <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> All right, Ray, Let me try to rephrase my question:
> the following code does not result in a drop down list of the data within a
> fusebox application. and yet calling the fuseaction directly from the browser
> does show the generated xml data. Its working when the page is set outside of
> fusebox... I am not sure if there is a connection, but it is what it is...
> (as an aside, all I am trying to do is to get a dynamically generated drop
> down list of authors using 'auto suggest')
>
>
> var dsProducts1 = new
> Spry.Data.XMLDataSet("index.cfm?fuseaction=testnames2","authors/author", {
> sortOnLoad: "name" });
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Elena.
>
> > Yes to q1. Spry could care less what your back end is. Fusebox.
> > Model-Glue. Even dreaded PHP. Spry is entirely client side. Elves
> > could make the XML - it wouldn't matter.
> >
> > As to your second question, it didn't make sense to me. :)
> >
> > On 8/7/07, Elena Aminova <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Is it possible to dynamically generate XML data set for Spry in
> > Fusebox 5.1?
> > > It is possible to do that outside of Fusebox, but not in Fusebox
> > framework. Did anyone encounter this issue yet?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Elena.
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
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Re: Generate dynamic XML data set for Spry in Fusebox
All right, Ray, Let me try to rephrase my question:
the following code does not result in a drop down list of the data within a
fusebox application. and yet calling the fuseaction directly from the browser
does show the generated xml data. Its working when the page is set outside of
fusebox... I am not sure if there is a connection, but it is what it is...
(as an aside, all I am trying to do is to get a dynamically generated drop down
list of authors using 'auto suggest')
var dsProducts1 = new
Spry.Data.XMLDataSet("index.cfm?fuseaction=testnames2","authors/author", {
sortOnLoad: "name" });
Thanks,
Elena.
> Yes to q1. Spry could care less what your back end is. Fusebox.
> Model-Glue. Even dreaded PHP. Spry is entirely client side. Elves
> could make the XML - it wouldn't matter.
>
> As to your second question, it didn't make sense to me. :)
>
> On 8/7/07, Elena Aminova <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Is it possible to dynamically generate XML data set for Spry in
> Fusebox 5.1?
> > It is possible to do that outside of Fusebox, but not in Fusebox
> framework. Did anyone encounter this issue yet?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Elena.
> >
> >
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