RE: Hostmysite down?
If it were only that easy hehehehe Eric /*-Original Message- /*From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 4:05 AM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: RE: Hostmysite down? /* /*So let me get this straight... /* /*You quickly solve the problem, you take immediate and effective steps to /*ensure it will most likely never become a problem ever again, you give a /*clear and concise description of the problem, you assume full /*responsibility /*for the problem, you offer immediate and reasonable compensation to those /*affected by the problem, and you top it all off by sincerely apologizing /*for /*the problem? /* /*Would you please do us all a favor and take over the operations of the /*federal government? They could learn a few things from you. /* /*Respectfully, /* /*Adam Phillip Churvis /*President /*Productivity Enhancement ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301705 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Hostmysite down?
Jamie, Ah Well it's likely you will run into the same issue with the server monitor. I know it's important to be able to do that in a shared environment. On one of my seeFusion (windows) box I have a hard time killing them as well... Usually takes a couple tries per thread - and even then sometimes it's iffy. I wonder if it is Linux vs windows - or something specific about how each of them is defaulted when installed? -mark Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MCSE (402) 408-3733 ext 105 www.cfwebtools.com www.coldfusionmuse.com www.necfug.com Just found out - SeeFusion 'runs' on Linux, but it can't auto-kill long running threads, which is a key feature we need in order to make sure the CF app server behaves. Greetings, all. This is Patrick from SeeFusion support. There's some misinformation here, so I wanted to chime in to clarify things. SeeFusion can kill most long-running threads. However, certain threads (typically those stuck in the OS native socket code) cannot be 'killed' by SeeFusion nor FusionReactor. That's a known Java limitation, not a limitation of either SeeFusion or FR. SeeFusion is written in 100% pure Java, and works fully-featured on any platform on which ColdFusion itself runs. If you've got threads that can't be killed by SeeFusion, then those are rich targets for tuning opportunities (ie, find out why they're getting hung in a socket read, and fix it). Holler with questions. Best, Patrick ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301593 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Hostmysite down?
Patrick Excellent excellent information pat - thanks! Do you have any articles or other information on just exactly what is this OS Native Socket code of which you speak? I'd love to learn more about it. -mark Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MCSE (402) 408-3733 ext 105 www.cfwebtools.com www.coldfusionmuse.com www.necfug.com -Original Message- From: Patrick Quinn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 1:32 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Hostmysite down? Jamie, Ah Well it's likely you will run into the same issue with the server monitor. I know it's important to be able to do that in a shared environment. On one of my seeFusion (windows) box I have a hard time killing them as well... Usually takes a couple tries per thread - and even then sometimes it's iffy. I wonder if it is Linux vs windows - or something specific about how each of them is defaulted when installed? -mark Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MCSE (402) 408-3733 ext 105 www.cfwebtools.com www.coldfusionmuse.com www.necfug.com Just found out - SeeFusion 'runs' on Linux, but it can't auto-kill long running threads, which is a key feature we need in order to make sure the CF app server behaves. Greetings, all. This is Patrick from SeeFusion support. There's some misinformation here, so I wanted to chime in to clarify things. SeeFusion can kill most long-running threads. However, certain threads (typically those stuck in the OS native socket code) cannot be 'killed' by SeeFusion nor FusionReactor. That's a known Java limitation, not a limitation of either SeeFusion or FR. SeeFusion is written in 100% pure Java, and works fully-featured on any platform on which ColdFusion itself runs. If you've got threads that can't be killed by SeeFusion, then those are rich targets for tuning opportunities (ie, find out why they're getting hung in a socket read, and fix it). Holler with questions. Best, Patrick ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301594 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Hostmysite down?
I'm not a Java expert, but I assume Patrick is referring to threads in the non-runnable state. A non-runnable thread will NOT obey a thread.stop(). According to http://forward.com.au/javaProgramming/HowToStopAThread.html A thread is non-runnable if * Its sleep method is invoked. * The thread calls the wait method to wait for a specific condition to be satisfied. * The thread is blocking on I/O. I believe this would include database access, File reading and writing, as well as network traffic like reading a network socket via cfhttp. An example of a thread in a wait state would also include waiting on a semaphore like standard edition of CF does when throttling cfdocument calls. I/O and network access would be native OS code. Java now has interrupt(), but it wasn't introduced until Java 1.5. ~Brad -Original Message- From: Mark Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:45 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Hostmysite down? Patrick Excellent excellent information pat - thanks! Do you have any articles or other information on just exactly what is this OS Native Socket code of which you speak? I'd love to learn more about it. -mark ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301609 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Hostmysite down?
So let me get this straight... You quickly solve the problem, you take immediate and effective steps to ensure it will most likely never become a problem ever again, you give a clear and concise description of the problem, you assume full responsibility for the problem, you offer immediate and reasonable compensation to those affected by the problem, and you top it all off by sincerely apologizing for the problem? Would you please do us all a favor and take over the operations of the federal government? They could learn a few things from you. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis President Productivity Enhancement -Original Message- From: Jamie Price [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 7:26 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Hostmysite down? The problem has been diagnosed and for the most part resolved. The main core switch there had a corruption in it's configuration and rebooted, but due to the corruption issue we could not automatically fail over to the hot spare. This was remedied by manually failing over. The total downtime measured for 28 minutes or so, and tonight we will be doing emergency maintainence to resolve the confug issue that prevented the automatic failover. If your site or server(s) were affected by the outage please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] and a credit of 5% of your monthly fees. Please accept our deepest apologies for the inconvenience, and know that we are working hard to prevent this type of outage from occuring in the future. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301235 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Hostmysite down?
Would you please do us all a favor and take over the operations of the federal government? They could learn a few things from you. AMEN BROTHER! ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301238 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Hostmysite down?
Read this thread yesterday and thought, 'hmmm, too perfect', must be smart advertising :p Dominic -- Blog it up: http://fusion.dominicwatson.co.uk ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301240 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Hostmysite down?
Yes... I thought the response was good as well. Thanks for Jamie. Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MCSE (402) 408-3733 ext 105 www.cfwebtools.com www.coldfusionmuse.com www.necfug.com -Original Message- From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 4:05 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Hostmysite down? So let me get this straight... You quickly solve the problem, you take immediate and effective steps to ensure it will most likely never become a problem ever again, you give a clear and concise description of the problem, you assume full responsibility for the problem, you offer immediate and reasonable compensation to those affected by the problem, and you top it all off by sincerely apologizing for the problem? Would you please do us all a favor and take over the operations of the federal government? They could learn a few things from you. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis President Productivity Enhancement -Original Message- From: Jamie Price [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 7:26 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Hostmysite down? The problem has been diagnosed and for the most part resolved. The main core switch there had a corruption in it's configuration and rebooted, but due to the corruption issue we could not automatically fail over to the hot spare. This was remedied by manually failing over. The total downtime measured for 28 minutes or so, and tonight we will be doing emergency maintainence to resolve the confug issue that prevented the automatic failover. If your site or server(s) were affected by the outage please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] and a credit of 5% of your monthly fees. Please accept our deepest apologies for the inconvenience, and know that we are working hard to prevent this type of outage from occuring in the future. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301249 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Hostmysite down?
Working late or early Adam? HostMySite is one of those companies, while not perfect or supernatural by any means, does an admirable job, one that should be emulated. I put them in a class with Starbucks, Toyota and Wegman's grocery stores...truely a class act. They are more expensive than most other hosting companies, but I can't imagine switching. Mark -Original Message- From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 5:05 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Hostmysite down? So let me get this straight... You quickly solve the problem, you take immediate and effective steps to ensure it will most likely never become a problem ever again, you give a clear and concise description of the problem, you assume full responsibility for the problem, you offer immediate and reasonable compensation to those affected by the problem, and you top it all off by sincerely apologizing for the problem? Would you please do us all a favor and take over the operations of the federal government? They could learn a few things from you. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis President Productivity Enhancement -Original Message- From: Jamie Price [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 7:26 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Hostmysite down? The problem has been diagnosed and for the most part resolved. The main core switch there had a corruption in it's configuration and rebooted, but due to the corruption issue we could not automatically fail over to the hot spare. This was remedied by manually failing over. The total downtime measured for 28 minutes or so, and tonight we will be doing emergency maintainence to resolve the confug issue that prevented the automatic failover. If your site or server(s) were affected by the outage please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] and a credit of 5% of your monthly fees. Please accept our deepest apologies for the inconvenience, and know that we are working hard to prevent this type of outage from occuring in the future. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301251 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Hostmysite down?
Thanks Adam - that was a great response you had as well. Due to the way our internal systems are setup I couldn't access any of my HMS applications during the outage (apparently they're based in DC2) but I could get the internet, so I immediately checked these forums for the inevitable HMS is down thread. We have a 100% uptime guarantee, and take it very seriously on those rare instances where we have a network or hardware outage. In an N+1 environment this should never happen, and we work very hard to make sure that it doesn't. In short: Yes, Virginia, there is a webhost that cares about customer service and meeting expectations. ;-) ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301252 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Hostmysite down?
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 11:45 PM, Jamie Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In short: Yes, Virginia, there is a webhost that cares about customer service and meeting expectations. ;-) Unless you expect shared CF hosting on Linux. -- mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles: http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301256 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Hostmysite down?
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 11:45 PM, Jamie Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In short: Yes, Virginia, there is a webhost that cares about customer service and meeting expectations. ;-) Unless you expect shared CF hosting on Linux. -- Meeting expectations is *exactly* why we don't offer that anymore. After extensively reviewing the performance of CF on linux servers we determined they were unsustainable due to the fact that we can't use SeeFusion on Linux. This may change in the future as CF gets better at memory management, but for the moment that's simply not the case. I'm very sorry, but if you can't do something right you shouldn't do it at all, and we'd rather have linux cf users on a VPS or at another host than see them get bad service. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301257 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Hostmysite down?
-Original Message- From: Jamie Price [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 11:09 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Hostmysite down? On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 11:45 PM, Jamie Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In short: Yes, Virginia, there is a webhost that cares about customer service and meeting expectations. ;-) Unless you expect shared CF hosting on Linux. -- Meeting expectations is *exactly* why we don't offer that anymore. After extensively reviewing the performance of CF on linux servers we determined they were unsustainable due to the fact that we can't use SeeFusion on Linux. This may change in the future as CF gets better at memory management, but for the moment that's simply not the case. I'm very sorry, but if you can't do something right you shouldn't do it at all, and we'd rather have linux cf users on a VPS or at another host than see them get bad service. Really, SeeFusion doesn't run on linux? I would expect that it would, seeing as how it's just java.. What about FusionReactor? Its much better IMHO. I believe the licensing costs are fairer as well if you do multiple instances. BTW, Jaimie, are you sure your router was at fault for the outage? I had heard there was some backbone trouble during the outage... Russ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301259 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Hostmysite down?
Jamie, In a recent project I used the new server monitor on a Linux CF8 ent server... There were some things from SeeFusion has that I missed - but over all the server monitor provided some excellent tools and was an acceptable replacement. One item that was particularly useful was the alert set up to dump a snapshot. I was able to put in a threshold of running requests and then when that threshold was reached the monitor generated a snapshot that included memory counters, sessions, requests and the stack trace. With a handler CFC you could get a standard config together that gave you warning well in advance of a hangup on a busy server - very cool. So... With CF8 you might be able to overcome that hurdle. In addition, you can get another gig out of the heap size for the 32 bit JVM. -Mark Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MCSE (402) 408-3733 ext 105 www.cfwebtools.com www.coldfusionmuse.com www.necfug.com -Original Message- From: Jamie Price [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 10:09 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Hostmysite down? On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 11:45 PM, Jamie Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In short: Yes, Virginia, there is a webhost that cares about customer service and meeting expectations. ;-) Unless you expect shared CF hosting on Linux. -- Meeting expectations is *exactly* why we don't offer that anymore. After extensively reviewing the performance of CF on linux servers we determined they were unsustainable due to the fact that we can't use SeeFusion on Linux. This may change in the future as CF gets better at memory management, but for the moment that's simply not the case. I'm very sorry, but if you can't do something right you shouldn't do it at all, and we'd rather have linux cf users on a VPS or at another host than see them get bad service. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301260 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Hostmysite down?
You make a good point - this was done pre-CF8, so there's definitely room to re-evaluate. I'll mention it to infrastructure and see if there's any good reason for this. I don't know the technical details behind SeeFusion's incompatibility with Linux, unfortunately, just that it exists. Regarding the outage, I am 100% positive it was a router/switch issue and not an issue with the backbone. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301268 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Hostmysite down?
Just found out - SeeFusion 'runs' on Linux, but it can't auto-kill long running threads, which is a key feature we need in order to make sure the CF app server behaves. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301301 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Hostmysite down?
What about fusionreactor? Russ -Original Message- From: Jamie Price [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 2:01 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Hostmysite down? Just found out - SeeFusion 'runs' on Linux, but it can't auto-kill long running threads, which is a key feature we need in order to make sure the CF app server behaves. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301321 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Hostmysite down?
Honestly I don't know why they (Infra) didn't go for that. I'll ask around. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301322 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Hostmysite down?
Ok, here's the background: The shared Linux CF plans we had were the lowest selling of our hosting plans, plus they were highest in terms of support load, i.e. clients with those plans created more tickets than any other plan type. As mentioned earlier SeeFusion isn't as effective on Linux as it is on Windows due to the inability to kill threads, which is 100% necessary. Having a system that simply informs us of upcoming problems isn't enough, we needed some sort of automated server healing to take place in order to make sure our techs weren't tied up fixing Linux CF servers all day. Since we had already devoted a great deal of resources to SeeFusion using another CF tool like FusionReactor wasn't ideal because it would introduce another level of complexity to our server environment (another tool for techs to configure and learn) plus another vendor/licensing agreement to be worked out. Switching over completely to FusionReactor was similarly dismissed because of the poor return involved - too few clients would really benefit and the costs and disadvantages were too great to justify them, plus our initial trials made us lean towards SeeFusion as a better product to use. Even from the clients that absolutely needed CF + Linux, we still had Linux CF VPS plans to offer, and the majority of the clients that we migrated appreciated the fact that stability is MUCH better in that environment anyway. I hope this clarifies things a bit. It's unfortunate that we can't offer shared CF Linux for our clients, but we think the decision benefitted our customer service and support tremendously. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301326 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Hostmysite down?
Jamie, Ah Well it's likely you will run into the same issue with the server monitor. I know it's important to be able to do that in a shared environment. On one of my seeFusion (windows) box I have a hard time killing them as well... Usually takes a couple tries per thread - and even then sometimes it's iffy. I wonder if it is Linux vs windows - or something specific about how each of them is defaulted when installed? -mark Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MCSE (402) 408-3733 ext 105 www.cfwebtools.com www.coldfusionmuse.com www.necfug.com -Original Message- From: Jamie Price [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 1:01 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Hostmysite down? Just found out - SeeFusion 'runs' on Linux, but it can't auto-kill long running threads, which is a key feature we need in order to make sure the CF app server behaves. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301338 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Hostmysite down?
Jamie, There are a couple of new features of 8 that will help. One is the ability to set timeout values on threads in the queue (nice to have on a very busy server) and another is the ability to configure the automated killing of long running threads in the alerts area. I have not yet configured that type of alert as of yet But I'm sure I will run into areas where it is useful. -mark Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MCSE (402) 408-3733 ext 105 www.cfwebtools.com www.coldfusionmuse.com www.necfug.com -Original Message- From: Jamie Price [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 2:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Hostmysite down? Ok, here's the background: The shared Linux CF plans we had were the lowest selling of our hosting plans, plus they were highest in terms of support load, i.e. clients with those plans created more tickets than any other plan type. As mentioned earlier SeeFusion isn't as effective on Linux as it is on Windows due to the inability to kill threads, which is 100% necessary. Having a system that simply informs us of upcoming problems isn't enough, we needed some sort of automated server healing to take place in order to make sure our techs weren't tied up fixing Linux CF servers all day. Since we had already devoted a great deal of resources to SeeFusion using another CF tool like FusionReactor wasn't ideal because it would introduce another level of complexity to our server environment (another tool for techs to configure and learn) plus another vendor/licensing agreement to be worked out. Switching over completely to FusionReactor was similarly dismissed because of the poor return involved - too few clients would really benefit and the costs and disadvantages were too great to justify them, plus our initial trials made us lean towards SeeFusion as a better product to use. Even from the clients that absolutely needed CF + Linux, we still had Linux CF VPS plans to offer, and the majority of the clients that we migrated appreciated the fact that stability is MUCH better in that environment anyway. I hope this clarifies things a bit. It's unfortunate that we can't offer shared CF Linux for our clients, but we think the decision benefitted our customer service and support tremendously. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301339 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Hostmysite down?
Let's just go back to pen and paper. :-) ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301341 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Hostmysite down?
All my sites seem to be down and so does their website and phone support. Anyone know what's going on? Russ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301219 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Hostmysite down?
All my sites seem to be down and so does their website and phone support. Anyone know what's going on? Russ One of our Datacenters (DC2) is experiencing an outage, and has been for the last 10 minutes or so. The phones are jammed (and in some cases going to BUSY, depending on the line you call) from the traffic. Unfortunately I don't have a cause or ETA as of yet, but I'll post it here ASAP. Jamie Price Account Executive HostMySite.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301220 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Hostmysite down?
Thanks Jaimie, we came back up a little while ago. Any idea of what the problem was? Russ -Original Message- From: Jamie Price [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 6:48 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Hostmysite down? All my sites seem to be down and so does their website and phone support. Anyone know what's going on? Russ One of our Datacenters (DC2) is experiencing an outage, and has been for the last 10 minutes or so. The phones are jammed (and in some cases going to BUSY, depending on the line you call) from the traffic. Unfortunately I don't have a cause or ETA as of yet, but I'll post it here ASAP. Jamie Price Account Executive HostMySite.com ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301221 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Hostmysite down?
The problem has been diagnosed and for the most part resolved. The main core switch there had a corruption in it's configuration and rebooted, but due to the corruption issue we could not automatically fail over to the hot spare. This was remedied by manually failing over. The total downtime measured for 28 minutes or so, and tonight we will be doing emergency maintainence to resolve the confug issue that prevented the automatic failover. If your site or server(s) were affected by the outage please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] and a credit of 5% of your monthly fees. Please accept our deepest apologies for the inconvenience, and know that we are working hard to prevent this type of outage from occuring in the future. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:301222 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Hostmysite down...
They could be running out of HDD space. I know that seems stupid but you'd be surprised at what comes crashing down when that happens. Hhm, not sure you'd get an error about starting threads for HDD space. In any case, it's frustrating that this has been going on for a week now and they still haven't figured out the problem. Errors like this do make me question if they are trying to put too many sites on one server. --- Mary Jo ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade see new features. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJR Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:275207 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Hostmysite down...
Im not sure what the issue is, I get the errors emailed to me and bring up the site and its all working, just not the cart and the cart has its own db (mysql not access) Keep in mind that if you are sharing the database (as most people typically are) you're going to have issues if other sites are screwing up MySQL by going over their quotas (causing multiple connections to be opened as MySQL will continue trying to connect), running long queries, etc. So it's definitely not Access only that will cause timeouts. I do run on MySQL myself though and very rarely see timeout errors anymore (maybe 1 a week at most). So there's a good chance you might even be able to correct it just by asking HMS to move you to a different server. --- Mary Jo ~| Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Upgrade to MX7 experience time-saving features, more productivity. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJW Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:275135 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Hostmysite down...
Mary Jo Sminkey wrote: So there's a good chance you might even be able to correct it just by asking HMS to move you to a different server. They do run multiple datacenters, so I would check with them to make sure your shared web server and mysql server are in the same datacenter. ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:275136 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Hostmysite down...
The day after I wrote that there were 87 time out errors on the cart, so maybe what I will do is move the db to a mysql server thats on one of my vps accounts with little traffic and see. Im not sure what the issue is, I get the errors emailed to me and bring up the site and its all working, just not the cart and the cart has its own db (mysql not access) ~| Macromedia ColdFusion MX7 Upgrade to MX7 experience time-saving features, more productivity. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJW Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:275187 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Hostmysite down...
The day after I wrote that there were 87 time out errors on the cart, so maybe what I will do is move the db to a mysql server thats on one of my vps accounts with little traffic and see. In one day? Wow, that is definitely very unusual, I've not had any reports of similar issues (if other people haven't run into it, they've not reported it back to me). Most people I hear from report 3-4 timeouts a day at worst. Definitely drop me a note and let me know how it turns out. --- Mary Jo ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2 Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:275190 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Hostmysite down...
I personally am getting a lot of these errors again: Error starting thread: Not enough storage is available to process this command Anyone else seeing them? I've repeatedly asked HMS to look into it, but they keep coming. ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade see new features. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJR Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:275191 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Hostmysite down...
My sites died too and took way to long to come back up. It was a ColdFusion or JRun crash as all other services were OK. ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales marketing dashboard RIAâs for your business. Upgrade now http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2?sdid=RVJT Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:275192 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Hostmysite down...
They could be running out of HDD space. I know that seems stupid but you'd be surprised at what comes crashing down when that happens. ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade see new features. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJR Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:275193 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Hostmysite down...
Thats ok, i dont get here much either. Im not sure what the issue is, I get the errors emailed to me and bring up the site and its all working, just not the cart and the cart has its own db (mysql not access) I would really like to move this site to my vps server and see how it does. back to the thread All the technologies seem to have a hard time with shared servers, what I would like to see is cfm have a special server license for shared servers BUT limit the number of sites it can run. By doing that if makes it more affordable to buy more copies so the hosts can buy more and have less sites on them so they have a chance to run better. Must be the Apple user experience in me speaking out. Say if you could only have 25 sites on a server at once it would (in most cases) make for less crashes and improve the cfm experience which would help make it more desirable instead of cramming a zillion sites on it and having it crash and have ppl thinking its junk. Sorry for the late reply on this, I only check this list over the web interface which has been down. But didn't want to let this go without a response. If you are getting that many timeouts a day, you have something else going on, because that is certainly not typical for my software. Generally when I see this it's due to someone trying to run on Access with too much traffic...or someone else is tying up a shared DB connection regularly and causing the software to timeout getting connections. There's nothing inherent in the software that will cause timeouts but like most really complex ecommerce applications, it's pretty DB intensive and that's always more noticeable in a shared environment. My customers that run on dedicated servers simply don't have the same problems. What is interesting to me though is that code base really hasn't changed in the last 3 years...but I really didn't see this problem much at all until the last year or so. I'm not sure if that's something in CF7 that causes it to not work as well for shared servers, or if web hosts are just loading more sites and it just can't take the load. Or maybe something else altogether about that environment. And yes, I've got a lot of changes to improve performance of the application coming...but they really would have minimal, if any effect on such problems. They make the pages load a lot faster...but if ColdFusion can't get a DB connection, there's not much I can do about that (other than handle the resulting error). There's only so much I can do software-wise, short of dropping the vast majority of features and giving people a bare-bones application that does very little. --- Mary Jo ~| ColdFusion MX7 by Adobe® Dyncamically transform webcontent into Adobe PDF with new ColdFusion MX7. Free Trial. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJV Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:275108 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Hostmysite down...
I hate to say this to you but the only problems I seem to have are with your cart timing out constantly, I get those all the time 5, 10, 15, 20 times a day and thats kind of the same thing isnt it? But im not complaining about your code and setup, I just take it how it is. Sorry for the late reply on this, I only check this list over the web interface which has been down. But didn't want to let this go without a response. If you are getting that many timeouts a day, you have something else going on, because that is certainly not typical for my software. Generally when I see this it's due to someone trying to run on Access with too much traffic...or someone else is tying up a shared DB connection regularly and causing the software to timeout getting connections. There's nothing inherent in the software that will cause timeouts but like most really complex ecommerce applications, it's pretty DB intensive and that's always more noticeable in a shared environment. My customers that run on dedicated servers simply don't have the same problems. What is interesting to me though is that code base really hasn't changed in the last 3 years...but I really didn't see this problem much at all until the last year or so. I'm not sure if that's something in CF7 that causes it to not work as well for shared servers, or if web hosts are just loading more sites and it just can't take the load. Or maybe something else altogether about that environment. And yes, I've got a lot of changes to improve performance of the application coming...but they really would have minimal, if any effect on such problems. They make the pages load a lot faster...but if ColdFusion can't get a DB connection, there's not much I can do about that (other than handle the resulting error). There's only so much I can do software-wise, short of dropping the vast majority of features and giving people a bare-bones application that does very little. --- Mary Jo ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:275013 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Hostmysite down...
you gotta remember cfm wasnt made to work as a shared server. Maybe not originally, but again, that's no excuse for it still not working properly as a shared server. It will have a hard time being successful long term if it is not. and i wouldnt blame hms, blame some bad code from someone on the server (aka will). Again...that's just an easy excuse. First, it shouldn't be so easy for someone to bring down the whole server. Second, if someone is routinely doing so, then HMS should track them down. Most people running sites don't *want* to bring the server down...but they are often not able to make that determination themselves that their site is the problem. bottom line is that if you are on a shared server you are at the mercy of other peoples code that can bring the server down, HMS has gotten pretty strict about bad code on the shared servers but still... If you want better uptime then get your own vps at least. Look, I can accept that on a shared server, my site may once in awhile go down. I understand that. But when it's a daily thing...that's a problem, and one that should be addressed. It gives ColdFusion a bad name if it becomes typical to visit a CF site and get a jrun error instead. --- Mary Jo ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:274850 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Hostmysite down...
Some of that i agree with, like it should be better suited for shared access. But then again I have a crap load of sites running on my vps and there is no problems. I hate to say this to you but the only problems I seem to have are with your cart timing out constantly, I get those all the time 5, 10, 15, 20 times a day and thats kind of the same thing isnt it? But im not complaining about your code and setup, I just take it how it is. They do try and track down those on shared servers that are causing problems, I have been asked countless times if I can fix the code on the cart that times out (when it was on shared server) and I have been asked to remove large cfdocument tasks and I know a few people there really well and I generally get the inside scope and its happening all the time. as far as it giving cfm a bad name, well then.. I visit plenty of php and .net sites all day long that are constantly down and its no surprise that they all are on shared servers. People on here always have said that if you have problems with your hosting when you are doing it cheaply then go with your own server and I used to balk at that but now I understand what they mean. It should and probably could run better than it does but it doesnt help you right now and if you go somewhere else you will end up with same problems. Its kinda like with the cart errors, I can live with them but it gets old and I have seen that its a common problem that you are addressing in the future but it doesnt help me now. And i am not knocking your cart cause its a great cart but its parallel to your argument here. Personally, I was getting frustrated as well with the sites being down and I did something about it, while it was more $$, after putting a dozen or so client sites on it, it pays for itself and I pocket the rest, plus I get to host all my sites for free, no reason not to do it. you gotta remember cfm wasnt made to work as a shared server. Maybe not originally, but again, that's no excuse for it still not working properly as a shared server. It will have a hard time being successful long term if it is not. and i wouldnt blame hms, blame some bad code from someone on the server (aka will). Again...that's just an easy excuse. First, it shouldn't be so easy for someone to bring down the whole server. Second, if someone is routinely doing so, then HMS should track them down. Most people running sites don't *want* to bring the server down...but they are often not able to make that determination themselves that their site is the problem. bottom line is that if you are on a shared server you are at the mercy of other peoples code that can bring the server down, HMS has gotten pretty strict about bad code on the shared servers but still... If you want better uptime then get your own vps at least. Look, I can accept that on a shared server, my site may once in awhile go down. I understand that. But when it's a daily thing...that's a problem, and one that should be addressed. It gives ColdFusion a bad name if it becomes typical to visit a CF site and get a jrun error instead. --- Mary Jo ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJQ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:274914 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Hostmysite down...
I suspect that shared hosting may not be a significant source of CF sales revenue. In my experience, which doesn't involve shared hosting at all, CF 7 has been much more reliable than CF 6. The fact that it may not be a significant source of income is a poor reason to ignore that segment. I'm sure a lot of developers would not pick up ColdFusion at all were there not some good shared hosting options. If we lose those because CF can't play nicely in a shared environment, there may be an even greater shortage of developers than there already is. --- Mary Jo ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade see new features. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJR Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:274811 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Hostmysite down...
you gotta remember cfm wasnt made to work as a shared server. and i wouldnt blame hms, blame some bad code from someone on the server (aka will). and Will, what about my code? I got my own vps servers there and my sites are never down, which is remarkable considering that they are on winblows bottom line is that if you are on a shared server you are at the mercy of other peoples code that can bring the server down, HMS has gotten pretty strict about bad code on the shared servers but still... If you want better uptime then get your own vps at least. PPl complain that they are $$ but if you have enough clients (in other worlds this wouldnt benefit will and his 2 clients) then it becomes even cheaper. As far as ct goes, they wouldnt even make my long list of possible hosts. ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:274822 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Hostmysite down...
I'm not sure we shouldn't point fingers at Adobe ColdFusion will hardly gain any market ground if hosts are overwhelmed with complaints from their users on shared hosting that their sites are constantly going down. Are such problems as typical on PHP and ASP sites running on shared hosting?? My own personal experience as well has been that this is happening far more often on CF7 than it did with CFMX 6. Not sure if that is just coincidence...but it certainly seems like they should be working to *decrease* such problems with each release. I'm hoping Scorpio will bring some improvement in this area. I suspect that shared hosting may not be a significant source of CF sales revenue. In my experience, which doesn't involve shared hosting at all, CF 7 has been much more reliable than CF 6. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! This email has been processed by SmoothZap - www.smoothwall.net ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade see new features. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJR Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:274779 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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no more problems with other people's rubbish code. James, don't talk about dave's code like that! :) ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales marketing dashboard RIAâs for your business. Upgrade now http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2?sdid=RVJT Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:274788 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Hostmysite down...
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Re: Hostmysite down...
Scott Stewart wrote: Server Error The server encountered an internal error and was unable to complete your request. Could not connect to JRun Server. Probably just the server you are on...I just checked a few of my clients, and they are still up. They generally are monitoring pretty closely, and get CF services restarted quickly. ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJQ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:274681 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Hostmysite down...
It's back up, this is an issue that I really wish Adobe would do something about. -Original Message- From: Jim Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 11:32 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Hostmysite down... Scott Stewart wrote: Server Error The server encountered an internal error and was unable to complete your request. Could not connect to JRun Server. Probably just the server you are on...I just checked a few of my clients, and they are still up. They generally are monitoring pretty closely, and get CF services restarted quickly. ~| Create Web Applications With ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2. Build powerful, scalable RIAs. Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJS Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:274682 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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Is it a shared plan on shared server? If it is like one of mine that was getting that, it could be anyone on the server that has code causing the problem. 2 weeks ago a client site was getting that constantly, that weekend when they normally don't do any site changes, they helped me transplant the site over to a new server and not a problem since (good news cause I was not 100% sure that it wasn't my site causing it with a ton of new features added just that week). So it might not be a adobe thing, maybe ask for your site to be moved to another server if they cant resolve the problem. ~Terry -Original Message- From: Scott Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 10:35 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Hostmysite down... It's back up, this is an issue that I really wish Adobe would do something about. -Original Message- From: Jim Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 11:32 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Hostmysite down... Scott Stewart wrote: Server Error The server encountered an internal error and was unable to complete your request. Could not connect to JRun Server. Probably just the server you are on...I just checked a few of my clients, and they are still up. They generally are monitoring pretty closely, and get CF services restarted quickly. ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJQ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:274685 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Hostmysite down...
Probably just the server you are on...I just checked a few of my clients, and they are still up. They generally are monitoring pretty closely, and get CF services restarted quickly. They do seem to be having a lot more problems recently though. The Jrun errors are happening pretty regularly now and this week I've been getting errors about not enough storage to start a new thread. When I email tech support, they just look at my site and say, it's working now. No kidding! That doesn't mean it's not still having problems intermittently. It's frustrating because they used to be such a reliable host, but I've been hearing similar complaints from a lot of my customers as well. --- Mary Jo ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2 Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:274686 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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oh, I use Crystaltech for all my hosting... just throwing a plug in for them... -Original Message- From: Bader, Terrence C CTR MARMC, 231 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 10:41 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Hostmysite down... Is it a shared plan on shared server? If it is like one of mine that was getting that, it could be anyone on the server that has code causing the problem. 2 weeks ago a client site was getting that constantly, that weekend when they normally don't do any site changes, they helped me transplant the site over to a new server and not a problem since (good news cause I was not 100% sure that it wasn't my site causing it with a ton of new features added just that week). So it might not be a adobe thing, maybe ask for your site to be moved to another server if they cant resolve the problem. ~Terry -Original Message- From: Scott Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 10:35 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Hostmysite down... It's back up, this is an issue that I really wish Adobe would do something about. -Original Message- From: Jim Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 11:32 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Hostmysite down... Scott Stewart wrote: Server Error The server encountered an internal error and was unable to complete your request. Could not connect to JRun Server. Probably just the server you are on...I just checked a few of my clients, and they are still up. They generally are monitoring pretty closely, and get CF services restarted quickly. ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJQ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:274689 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Hostmysite down...
When I email tech support, they just look at my site and say, it's working now. No kidding! That doesn't mean it's not still having problems intermittently. It's frustrating because they used to be such a reliable host, but I've been hearing similar complaints from a lot of my customers as well. I get the same exact thing at CT. They pretend things are ok and don't understand what your problem is. The other day I contacted support about missing JS files causing my cfform validation to fail. They email me back, I checked and the files are on your server. I go back and check, and it's working all of a sudden. lol! Will ~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2 Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:274691 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Hostmysite down...
oh, I use Crystaltech for all my hosting... just throwing a plug in for them... I personally had WAY more problems at CT than with HMS. It does seem though that the more popular a shared host gets, and as they try to get more competitive on prices and put more sites on their servers, these problems start arising. It's just too easy to say someone else on the server is causing a problem, and not really deal with the underlying issue. I'm not sure we shouldn't point fingers at AdobeColdFusion will hardly gain any market ground if hosts are overwhelmed with complaints from their users on shared hosting that their sites are constantly going down. Are such problems as typical on PHP and ASP sites running on shared hosting?? My own personal experience as well has been that this is happening far more often on CF7 than it did with CFMX 6. Not sure if that is just coincidence...but it certainly seems like they should be working to *decrease* such problems with each release. I'm hoping Scorpio will bring some improvement in this area. --- Mary Jo ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJQ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:274693 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Hostmysite down...
The real problem is that CF runs on JRUN, which runs on top of Java and doesn't manage memory properly. If JRUN runs out of RAM it just stalls the whole instance and it needs to be rebooted. This is something that apparently BlueDragon .NET has an advantage over CF in. I wonder if HMS has FusionReactor installed? I think it can really help with these type of issues. Russ -Original Message- From: Mary Jo Sminkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 11:49 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Hostmysite down... oh, I use Crystaltech for all my hosting... just throwing a plug in for them... I personally had WAY more problems at CT than with HMS. It does seem though that the more popular a shared host gets, and as they try to get more competitive on prices and put more sites on their servers, these problems start arising. It's just too easy to say someone else on the server is causing a problem, and not really deal with the underlying issue. I'm not sure we shouldn't point fingers at AdobeColdFusion will hardly gain any market ground if hosts are overwhelmed with complaints from their users on shared hosting that their sites are constantly going down. Are such problems as typical on PHP and ASP sites running on shared hosting?? My own personal experience as well has been that this is happening far more often on CF7 than it did with CFMX 6. Not sure if that is just coincidence...but it certainly seems like they should be working to *decrease* such problems with each release. I'm hoping Scorpio will bring some improvement in this area. --- Mary Jo ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:274694 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Hostmysite down...
I get the same exact thing at CT. They pretend things are ok and don't understand what your problem is. The other day I contacted support about missing JS files causing my cfform validation to fail. They email me back, I checked and the files are on your server. To throw it back another direction...recently as I've been working on finishing up the next major release of my software, I asked my email list of customers if I could drop support for Access. Maybe in the days when my software was pretty simplistic and servers were not getting constant timeout errors it might have been okay, but there's simply no way they should be running a live site on Access at this point...and certainly not with my upcoming release which is even more DB-intensive. And darned if I didn't have people still clamoring for Access support! And not just for development either (which I can understand somewhat). I had one guy that said he specifically selected my product because it can use Access and he prefers that for small sites. Sigh. So it's hard for me to put all the blame on the host, since I know for sure people are running sites on Access just because they don't want to bother learning MySQL...and now we even have SQL Server Express as a nice low-cost option! Meanwhile...my approach is to simply not provide Access update scripts (since it can't run a batch of SQL commands anyway). That way at least I can ensure that anyone that wants to upgrade will have to migrate over to a real database, but they can still use Access for development work. --- Mary Jo ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJQ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:274695 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Hostmysite down...
Russ wrote: I wonder if HMS has FusionReactor installed? I think it can really help with these type of issues. I believe they started using SeeFusion about 3 or 4 months ago. Since then, the services have seemed to restart faster when there is a problem, but I'm not sure the number of crashes has decreased overall. It could be that things have improved per number of sites, but they are cramming more sites on a server. ~| Create Web Applications With ColdFusion MX7 Flex 2. Build powerful, scalable RIAs. Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJS Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:274702 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Hostmysite down...
FusionReactor would have been a better choice - this allows the server to queue requests that would chew up the remaining memory, until more becomes available (i.e. after the next garbage collection for example) and this prevents the crash. Anyway, now is the time to look at a VPS with someone like Viviotech; no more problems with other people's rubbish code. On 4/7/07, Jim Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Russ wrote: I wonder if HMS has FusionReactor installed? I think it can really help with these type of issues. I believe they started using SeeFusion about 3 or 4 months ago. Since then, the services have seemed to restart faster when there is a problem, but I'm not sure the number of crashes has decreased overall. It could be that things have improved per number of sites, but they are cramming more sites on a server. -- mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles: http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/ ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 The most significant release in over 10 years. Upgrade see new features. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion?sdid=RVJR Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:274755 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
