RE: Looking for very simple CMS
They probably won't even want to talk to you for a minor deal of $500. You are talking with sales people, not with donkeys ;) Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 Has anyone been shopping for a $500 CMS solution and really been talked into a $14K solution? ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214516 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Best Rich Text Editor (was: RE: Looking for very simple CMS)
With Tiny's plugin authoring capabilities, integrating an existing spellchecker is literally like 10 lines of code. We did that for our main application, and it was a breeze. Tiny's also got a built-in plugin for IESpell (which I've never used), and supports the Google Toolbar's spellchecker (which works very well - much like GMail's). cheers, barneyb On 8/10/05, Roger B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what is the best Rich Text editor today, for those of who need to build our own simple CMS? Until TinyMCE gets native Spellerpages support, I'll consider FCKeditor the go-to WYSIWYG editor. -- Roger Benningfield http://journurl.com/ http://admin.support.journurl.com/ -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 50 invites. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214565 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Best Rich Text Editor (was: RE: Looking for very simple CMS)
I like FCKEditor v1.6. Version 2 is out with additional features (like form creation, tables, fonts, colors, etc). Some people love them; I consider them useless and potentially dangerous - if given too many options, users will soon destroy the site's look. (it should be pointed out that you can always configure the editor's toolbar to only include those features you deem appropriate, so using v2 is perfectly ok; I don't use it bacause I don't need any of the extra stuff and I don't feel like working on the extensive customization needed to make everything work smoothly - a perfect example being the hard-coded upload directories). There's no right or wrong approach. Look here for a minimalist view and implementation of a different editor (by Massimo Foti, a very knowledgeable guy): http://www.olimpo.ch/tmt/tag/tmt_xhtmleditorPro/ Irvin So what is the best Rich Text editor today, for those of who need to build our own simple CMS? I keep hearing FCK lately, but until recently never heard of it. Others I have heard about, seems no one talks about anymore. Constanty Connie DeCinko III Web Architect, Webmaster, Web Developer Lone Jet Enterprises Glendale, Arizona www.LoneJet.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214570 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Best Rich Text Editor (was: RE: Looking for very simple CMS)
-Original Message- From: Irvin Gomez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I like FCKEditor v1.6. FCKeditor v1 only works with IE. Version 2 is out with additional features (like form creation, tables, fonts, colors, etc). Some people love them; I consider them useless and potentially dangerous That's one reason I like TinyMCE, you can customize it to your needs so you're not giving people access to completely break everything. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214573 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Best Rich Text Editor (was: RE: Looking for very simple CMS)
Correction: the features I listed as new were there in previous versions. New features are flash objects, support for Active FoxPro Pages, etc. I like FCKEditor v1.6. Version 2 is out with additional features (like form creation, tables, fonts, colors, etc). Some people love them; I consider them useless and potentially dangerous - if given too many options, users will soon destroy the site's look. (it should be pointed out that you can always configure the editor's toolbar to only include those features you deem appropriate, so using v2 is perfectly ok; I don't use it bacause I don't need any of the extra stuff and I don't feel like working on the extensive customization needed to make everything work smoothly - a perfect example being the hard-coded upload directories). There's no right or wrong approach. Look here for a minimalist view and implementation of a different editor (by Massimo Foti, a very knowledgeable guy): http://www.olimpo.ch/tmt/tag/tmt_xhtmleditorPro/ Irvin So what is the best Rich Text editor today, for those of who need to build our own simple CMS? I keep hearing FCK lately, but until recently never heard of it. Others I have heard about, seems no one talks about anymore. Constanty Connie DeCinko III Web Architect, Webmaster, Web Developer Lone Jet Enterprises Glendale, Arizona www.LoneJet. com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214574 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Best Rich Text Editor (was: RE: Looking for very simple CMS)
Toolbars can be configured in FCKEditor, too. And the new version works on a couple other browsers. TinyMCE is very nice, but the lack of image upload and preview is enough for me to not use it. My experience is that clients need and love this feature. Rick Root developed a plugin that kind of solves this problem (it lacks image preview). Perhaps TinyMCE has adressed this, in which case it would make sense to give it a second look, because it certainly beats FCKEDitor on presentation alone. -Original Message- From: Irvin Gomez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I like FCKEditor v1.6. FCKeditor v1 only works with IE. Version 2 is out with additional features (like form creation, tables, fonts, colors, etc). Some people love them; I consider them useless and potentially dangerous That's one reason I like TinyMCE, you can customize it to your needs so you're not giving people access to completely break everything. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214575 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Best Rich Text Editor (was: RE: Looking for very simple CMS)
That's one reason I like TinyMCE, you can customize it to your needs so you're not giving people access to completely break everything. I've got one client with a TON of admin forms with FCK all over them. The client does *everything* in Word and then paste, and that's why we went with FCK. Let's face it, for every line of text, Word is going to paste another 5 lines of unwanted junk. Even though FCK is handling the Word stuff pretty well, we *still* get calls from the client going IT'S BROKE!! WHAT'S WRONG?!?!? Uh, Dude, quite pasting from Word and that will take care of your problem. But, this is a big legal firm and they aren't going to do it any other way. Period. We've turned a few FCK features off, as we don't want to give them the chance to completely screw everything and the CSS Style sheet running the pages that display the stuff they input is downright scary since we're trying to override stuff from Word that the FCK Editor Wrod Cleanup still leaves in there. So, I *LIKE* the way TinyMCE looks, and it's certainly lighter and faster to load. How's it handle pasting from Word? I've haven't gotten around to testing that yet. -- --- Les Mizzell ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214581 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Looking for very simple CMS
Hi Ray, Don't want to use this list as advertising but to clarify... No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. (of those that are not open source of course) Especially for developers who sign up as a partner and get the partner discounts. We changed our pricing model to better compete with contribute and others, and to better support our partners. If it really just needs to have some wysiwyg elements and simple forms, than making your own with fckeditor may be the way to go. David, send me a private email and I will see what we can do for you. Ray, since your right around the corner I would be happy to meet with you for lunch some time to talk about savvy, pricing and get your feedback. Best, Joshua Cyr www.besavvy.com -Original Message- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS They aren't free, the last I checked, in fact, I thought that they were pretty expensive. Doesn't Contribute have a fairly cheap (I remember around $90.00) nonprofit price? Also, not CF, but easier than FarCry to set up, there's Mambo (php): http://www.mamboserver.com/ Me likey Mambo, although I admit I have yet to use it in the real world, since Contribute is so much better, but it does cost money... Ray Russ Michaels wrote: www.besavvy.com Russ -Original Message- From: David Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 August 2005 22:08 To: CF-Talk Subject: Looking for very simple CMS I am looking for a VERY simple Content Management System written in CF for a small community group that has no money but has CF hosting. Can anyone recommend one or donate some code? Thanks in advance. David Adams Ottawa Ontario ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214320 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Looking for very simple CMS
... No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. ... WHAT??? Reading on your website, I see the unlimited version for almost $14,000 and the single encrypted source version for about $1,400. Sounds to me like somebody needs a real competitor in the market to help correct those prices downward! --Ferg Joshua Cyr wrote: Hi Ray, Don't want to use this list as advertising but to clarify... No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. (of those that are not open source of course) Especially for developers who sign up as a partner and get the partner discounts. We changed our pricing model to better compete with contribute and others, and to better support our partners. If it really just needs to have some wysiwyg elements and simple forms, than making your own with fckeditor may be the way to go. David, send me a private email and I will see what we can do for you. Ray, since your right around the corner I would be happy to meet with you for lunch some time to talk about savvy, pricing and get your feedback. Best, Joshua Cyr www.besavvy.com -Original Message- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS They aren't free, the last I checked, in fact, I thought that they were pretty expensive. Doesn't Contribute have a fairly cheap (I remember around $90.00) nonprofit price? Also, not CF, but easier than FarCry to set up, there's Mambo (php): http://www.mamboserver.com/ Me likey Mambo, although I admit I have yet to use it in the real world, since Contribute is so much better, but it does cost money... Ray Russ Michaels wrote: www.besavvy.com Russ -Original Message- From: David Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 August 2005 22:08 To: CF-Talk Subject: Looking for very simple CMS I am looking for a VERY simple Content Management System written in CF for a small community group that has no money but has CF hosting. Can anyone recommend one or donate some code? Thanks in advance. David Adams Ottawa Ontario ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214321 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Looking for very simple CMS
At least there is a choice with the Savvy pricing. If you only need 1-5 users u can get it for $1350. Granted I wouldn't exactly call it cheap for what it offers as it is a pretty basic CMS. But if you look at things like commonspot and ShadoMX, your looking at a price tag of at least $20,000 period. And last time I looked they did not even publish the pricing as they tend to charge yuou according to the size of your company and how much they think u can afford. There are a few other really cheap ones out there, but I think they are awful. If time is an issue, then you need to spend money, if money is an issue, then you need to spent time rolling your own. You have Spectra which is now open source, plus farcry and speck for coldfusion if you want a free solution. Of course you don't even have to stick with CF, there are plenty of PHP, ASP options out there as well. Regards Russ Michaels -Original Message- From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 August 2005 14:23 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS ... No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. ... WHAT??? Reading on your website, I see the unlimited version for almost $14,000 and the single encrypted source version for about $1,400. Sounds to me like somebody needs a real competitor in the market to help correct those prices downward! --Ferg Joshua Cyr wrote: Hi Ray, Don't want to use this list as advertising but to clarify... No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. (of those that are not open source of course) Especially for developers who sign up as a partner and get the partner discounts. We changed our pricing model to better compete with contribute and others, and to better support our partners. If it really just needs to have some wysiwyg elements and simple forms, than making your own with fckeditor may be the way to go. David, send me a private email and I will see what we can do for you. Ray, since your right around the corner I would be happy to meet with you for lunch some time to talk about savvy, pricing and get your feedback. Best, Joshua Cyr www.besavvy.com -Original Message- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS They aren't free, the last I checked, in fact, I thought that they were pretty expensive. Doesn't Contribute have a fairly cheap (I remember around $90.00) nonprofit price? Also, not CF, but easier than FarCry to set up, there's Mambo (php): http://www.mamboserver.com/ Me likey Mambo, although I admit I have yet to use it in the real world, since Contribute is so much better, but it does cost money... Ray Russ Michaels wrote: www.besavvy.com Russ -Original Message- From: David Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 August 2005 22:08 To: CF-Talk Subject: Looking for very simple CMS I am looking for a VERY simple Content Management System written in CF for a small community group that has no money but has CF hosting. Can anyone recommend one or donate some code? Thanks in advance. David Adams Ottawa Ontario ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214324 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Looking for very simple CMS
Ken, Unfortunately in the world of CMS - 14k (or 1400) is actually on the low end of the scale. Many of them charge a per seat fee that reoccurs. -Mark -Original Message- From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 8:23 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS ... No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. ... WHAT??? Reading on your website, I see the unlimited version for almost $14,000 and the single encrypted source version for about $1,400. Sounds to me like somebody needs a real competitor in the market to help correct those prices downward! --Ferg Joshua Cyr wrote: Hi Ray, Don't want to use this list as advertising but to clarify... No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. (of those that are not open source of course) Especially for developers who sign up as a partner and get the partner discounts. We changed our pricing model to better compete with contribute and others, and to better support our partners. If it really just needs to have some wysiwyg elements and simple forms, than making your own with fckeditor may be the way to go. David, send me a private email and I will see what we can do for you. Ray, since your right around the corner I would be happy to meet with you for lunch some time to talk about savvy, pricing and get your feedback. Best, Joshua Cyr www.besavvy.com -Original Message- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS They aren't free, the last I checked, in fact, I thought that they were pretty expensive. Doesn't Contribute have a fairly cheap (I remember around $90.00) nonprofit price? Also, not CF, but easier than FarCry to set up, there's Mambo (php): http://www.mamboserver.com/ Me likey Mambo, although I admit I have yet to use it in the real world, since Contribute is so much better, but it does cost money... Ray Russ Michaels wrote: www.besavvy.com Russ -Original Message- From: David Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 August 2005 22:08 To: CF-Talk Subject: Looking for very simple CMS I am looking for a VERY simple Content Management System written in CF for a small community group that has no money but has CF hosting. Can anyone recommend one or donate some code? Thanks in advance. David Adams Ottawa Ontario ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214326 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Looking for very simple CMS
Russ, That really annoys me - that call for pricing model. It seems morally reprehensible. -Mark -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 8:40 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS At least there is a choice with the Savvy pricing. If you only need 1-5 users u can get it for $1350. Granted I wouldn't exactly call it cheap for what it offers as it is a pretty basic CMS. But if you look at things like commonspot and ShadoMX, your looking at a price tag of at least $20,000 period. And last time I looked they did not even publish the pricing as they tend to charge yuou according to the size of your company and how much they think u can afford. There are a few other really cheap ones out there, but I think they are awful. If time is an issue, then you need to spend money, if money is an issue, then you need to spent time rolling your own. You have Spectra which is now open source, plus farcry and speck for coldfusion if you want a free solution. Of course you don't even have to stick with CF, there are plenty of PHP, ASP options out there as well. Regards Russ Michaels -Original Message- From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 August 2005 14:23 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS ... No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. ... WHAT??? Reading on your website, I see the unlimited version for almost $14,000 and the single encrypted source version for about $1,400. Sounds to me like somebody needs a real competitor in the market to help correct those prices downward! --Ferg Joshua Cyr wrote: Hi Ray, Don't want to use this list as advertising but to clarify... No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. (of those that are not open source of course) Especially for developers who sign up as a partner and get the partner discounts. We changed our pricing model to better compete with contribute and others, and to better support our partners. If it really just needs to have some wysiwyg elements and simple forms, than making your own with fckeditor may be the way to go. David, send me a private email and I will see what we can do for you. Ray, since your right around the corner I would be happy to meet with you for lunch some time to talk about savvy, pricing and get your feedback. Best, Joshua Cyr www.besavvy.com -Original Message- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS They aren't free, the last I checked, in fact, I thought that they were pretty expensive. Doesn't Contribute have a fairly cheap (I remember around $90.00) nonprofit price? Also, not CF, but easier than FarCry to set up, there's Mambo (php): http://www.mamboserver.com/ Me likey Mambo, although I admit I have yet to use it in the real world, since Contribute is so much better, but it does cost money... Ray Russ Michaels wrote: www.besavvy.com Russ -Original Message- From: David Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 August 2005 22:08 To: CF-Talk Subject: Looking for very simple CMS I am looking for a VERY simple Content Management System written in CF for a small community group that has no money but has CF hosting. Can anyone recommend one or donate some code? Thanks in advance. David Adams Ottawa Ontario ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214327 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Looking for very simple CMS
But in the day of things like Contribute @ $150 MAX, why would one need such a crazy expensive solution for editing HTML pages? Mark A Kruger wrote: Ken, Unfortunately in the world of CMS - 14k (or 1400) is actually on the low end of the scale. Many of them charge a per seat fee that reoccurs. -Mark -Original Message- From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 8:23 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS ... No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. ... WHAT??? Reading on your website, I see the unlimited version for almost $14,000 and the single encrypted source version for about $1,400. Sounds to me like somebody needs a real competitor in the market to help correct those prices downward! --Ferg Joshua Cyr wrote: Hi Ray, Don't want to use this list as advertising but to clarify... No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. (of those that are not open source of course) Especially for developers who sign up as a partner and get the partner discounts. We changed our pricing model to better compete with contribute and others, and to better support our partners. If it really just needs to have some wysiwyg elements and simple forms, than making your own with fckeditor may be the way to go. David, send me a private email and I will see what we can do for you. Ray, since your right around the corner I would be happy to meet with you for lunch some time to talk about savvy, pricing and get your feedback. Best, Joshua Cyr www.besavvy.com -Original Message- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS They aren't free, the last I checked, in fact, I thought that they were pretty expensive. Doesn't Contribute have a fairly cheap (I remember around $90.00) nonprofit price? Also, not CF, but easier than FarCry to set up, there's Mambo (php): http://www.mamboserver.com/ Me likey Mambo, although I admit I have yet to use it in the real world, since Contribute is so much better, but it does cost money... Ray Russ Michaels wrote: www.besavvy.com Russ -Original Message- From: David Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 August 2005 22:08 To: CF-Talk Subject: Looking for very simple CMS I am looking for a VERY simple Content Management System written in CF for a small community group that has no money but has CF hosting. Can anyone recommend one or donate some code? Thanks in advance. David Adams Ottawa Ontario ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214328 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Looking for very simple CMS
Well, he has a point - and ultimately here we are talking about CMS on CF which doesn't have to be the case as say, Mambo is good as are other open source non cf tools - we just seem blinkered when it comes to using them. In any case, any CMS will need to be tailored and in business some of the best ones for a particular business have been created in house. -Original Message- From: Mark A Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 August 2005 14:45 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS Russ, That really annoys me - that call for pricing model. It seems morally reprehensible. -Mark -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 8:40 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS At least there is a choice with the Savvy pricing. If you only need 1-5 users u can get it for $1350. Granted I wouldn't exactly call it cheap for what it offers as it is a pretty basic CMS. But if you look at things like commonspot and ShadoMX, your looking at a price tag of at least $20,000 period. And last time I looked they did not even publish the pricing as they tend to charge yuou according to the size of your company and how much they think u can afford. There are a few other really cheap ones out there, but I think they are awful. If time is an issue, then you need to spend money, if money is an issue, then you need to spent time rolling your own. You have Spectra which is now open source, plus farcry and speck for coldfusion if you want a free solution. Of course you don't even have to stick with CF, there are plenty of PHP, ASP options out there as well. Regards Russ Michaels -Original Message- From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 August 2005 14:23 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS ... No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. ... WHAT??? Reading on your website, I see the unlimited version for almost $14,000 and the single encrypted source version for about $1,400. Sounds to me like somebody needs a real competitor in the market to help correct those prices downward! --Ferg Joshua Cyr wrote: Hi Ray, Don't want to use this list as advertising but to clarify... No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. (of those that are not open source of course) Especially for developers who sign up as a partner and get the partner discounts. We changed our pricing model to better compete with contribute and others, and to better support our partners. If it really just needs to have some wysiwyg elements and simple forms, than making your own with fckeditor may be the way to go. David, send me a private email and I will see what we can do for you. Ray, since your right around the corner I would be happy to meet with you for lunch some time to talk about savvy, pricing and get your feedback. Best, Joshua Cyr www.besavvy.com -Original Message- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS They aren't free, the last I checked, in fact, I thought that they were pretty expensive. Doesn't Contribute have a fairly cheap (I remember around $90.00) nonprofit price? Also, not CF, but easier than FarCry to set up, there's Mambo (php): http://www.mamboserver.com/ Me likey Mambo, although I admit I have yet to use it in the real world, since Contribute is so much better, but it does cost money... Ray Russ Michaels wrote: www.besavvy.com Russ -Original Message- From: David Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 August 2005 22:08 To: CF-Talk Subject: Looking for very simple CMS I am looking for a VERY simple Content Management System written in CF for a small community group that has no money but has CF hosting. Can anyone recommend one or donate some code? Thanks in advance. David Adams Ottawa Ontario ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214329 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Looking for very simple CMS
But in the day of things like Contribute @ $150 MAX, why would one need such a crazy expensive solution for editing HTML pages? Why does Macromedia have a server-side CMS to match it? -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214330 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Contribute it not a CMS tool nowhere near and is nigh on useless without using StreetSweeper MX aka DWMX 2004. -Original Message- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 August 2005 14:47 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS But in the day of things like Contribute @ $150 MAX, why would one need such a crazy expensive solution for editing HTML pages? Mark A Kruger wrote: Ken, Unfortunately in the world of CMS - 14k (or 1400) is actually on the low end of the scale. Many of them charge a per seat fee that reoccurs. -Mark -Original Message- From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 8:23 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS ... No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. ... WHAT??? Reading on your website, I see the unlimited version for almost $14,000 and the single encrypted source version for about $1,400. Sounds to me like somebody needs a real competitor in the market to help correct those prices downward! --Ferg Joshua Cyr wrote: Hi Ray, Don't want to use this list as advertising but to clarify... No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. (of those that are not open source of course) Especially for developers who sign up as a partner and get the partner discounts. We changed our pricing model to better compete with contribute and others, and to better support our partners. If it really just needs to have some wysiwyg elements and simple forms, than making your own with fckeditor may be the way to go. David, send me a private email and I will see what we can do for you. Ray, since your right around the corner I would be happy to meet with you for lunch some time to talk about savvy, pricing and get your feedback. Best, Joshua Cyr www.besavvy.com -Original Message- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS They aren't free, the last I checked, in fact, I thought that they were pretty expensive. Doesn't Contribute have a fairly cheap (I remember around $90.00) nonprofit price? Also, not CF, but easier than FarCry to set up, there's Mambo (php): http://www.mamboserver.com/ Me likey Mambo, although I admit I have yet to use it in the real world, since Contribute is so much better, but it does cost money... Ray Russ Michaels wrote: www.besavvy.com Russ -Original Message- From: David Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 August 2005 22:08 To: CF-Talk Subject: Looking for very simple CMS I am looking for a VERY simple Content Management System written in CF for a small community group that has no money but has CF hosting. Can anyone recommend one or donate some code? Thanks in advance. David Adams Ottawa Ontario ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214331 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Well, he has a point - and ultimately here we are talking about CMS on CF which doesn't have to be the case as say, Mambo is good as are other open source non cf tools - we just seem blinkered when it comes to using them. In any case, any CMS will need to be tailored and in business some of the best ones for a particular business have been created in house. -Original Message- From: Mark A Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 August 2005 14:45 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS Russ, That really annoys me - that call for pricing model. It seems morally reprehensible. -Mark -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 8:40 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS At least there is a choice This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Oriel House, 26 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DL, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214332 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Yes I have always hated it. And I generally wont deal with a company that wont publish prices. Russ -Original Message- From: Mark A Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 August 2005 14:45 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS Russ, That really annoys me - that call for pricing model. It seems morally reprehensible. -Mark -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 8:40 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS At least there is a choice with the Savvy pricing. If you only need 1-5 users u can get it for $1350. Granted I wouldn't exactly call it cheap for what it offers as it is a pretty basic CMS. But if you look at things like commonspot and ShadoMX, your looking at a price tag of at least $20,000 period. And last time I looked they did not even publish the pricing as they tend to charge yuou according to the size of your company and how much they think u can afford. There are a few other really cheap ones out there, but I think they are awful. If time is an issue, then you need to spend money, if money is an issue, then you need to spent time rolling your own. You have Spectra which is now open source, plus farcry and speck for coldfusion if you want a free solution. Of course you don't even have to stick with CF, there are plenty of PHP, ASP options out there as well. Regards Russ Michaels -Original Message- From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 August 2005 14:23 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS ... No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. ... WHAT??? Reading on your website, I see the unlimited version for almost $14,000 and the single encrypted source version for about $1,400. Sounds to me like somebody needs a real competitor in the market to help correct those prices downward! --Ferg Joshua Cyr wrote: Hi Ray, Don't want to use this list as advertising but to clarify... No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. (of those that are not open source of course) Especially for developers who sign up as a partner and get the partner discounts. We changed our pricing model to better compete with contribute and others, and to better support our partners. If it really just needs to have some wysiwyg elements and simple forms, than making your own with fckeditor may be the way to go. David, send me a private email and I will see what we can do for you. Ray, since your right around the corner I would be happy to meet with you for lunch some time to talk about savvy, pricing and get your feedback. Best, Joshua Cyr www.besavvy.com -Original Message- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS They aren't free, the last I checked, in fact, I thought that they were pretty expensive. Doesn't Contribute have a fairly cheap (I remember around $90.00) nonprofit price? Also, not CF, but easier than FarCry to set up, there's Mambo (php): http://www.mamboserver.com/ Me likey Mambo, although I admit I have yet to use it in the real world, since Contribute is so much better, but it does cost money... Ray Russ Michaels wrote: www.besavvy.com Russ -Original Message- From: David Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 August 2005 22:08 To: CF-Talk Subject: Looking for very simple CMS I am looking for a VERY simple Content Management System written in CF for a small community group that has no money but has CF hosting. Can anyone recommend one or donate some code? Thanks in advance. David Adams Ottawa Ontario ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214334 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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But in the day of things like Contribute @ $150 MAX, why would one need such a crazy expensive solution for editing HTML pages? Why does Macromedia have a server-side CMS to match it? Macromedia does not have a server-side CMS. Spectra was the last server-side CMS offered by Macromedia. Contribute does have an optional server-side component called CPS, but this simply allows a few extra bits of functionality such as being able to authenticate against an LDAP server, and logging. It doesn't have anything to do with the content management process, and is completely optional. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214335 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Looking for very simple CMS
Don't you love the thanks for contacting us - a sales muppet will be in touch soon -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 August 2005 14:57 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS Yes I have always hated it. And I generally wont deal with a company that wont publish prices. Russ -Original Message- From: Mark A Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 August 2005 14:45 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS Russ, That really annoys me - that call for pricing model. It seems morally reprehensible. -Mark -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 8:40 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS At least there is a choice with the Savvy pricing. If you only need 1-5 users u can get it for $1350. Granted I wouldn't exactly call it cheap for what it offers as it is a pretty basic CMS. But if you look at things like commonspot and ShadoMX, your looking at a price tag of at least $20,000 period. And last time I looked they did not even publish the pricing as they tend to charge yuou according to the size of your company and how much they think u can afford. There are a few other really cheap ones out there, but I think they are awful. If time is an issue, then you need to spend money, if money is an issue, then you need to spent time rolling your own. You have Spectra which is now open source, plus farcry and speck for coldfusion if you want a free solution. Of course you don't even have to stick with CF, there are plenty of PHP, ASP options out there as well. Regards Russ Michaels -Original Message- From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 August 2005 14:23 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS ... No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. ... WHAT??? Reading on your website, I see the unlimited version for almost $14,000 and the single encrypted source version for about $1,400. Sounds to me like somebody needs a real competitor in the market to help correct those prices downward! --Ferg Joshua Cyr wrote: Hi Ray, Don't want to use this list as advertising but to clarify... No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. (of those that are not open source of course) Especially for developers who sign up as a partner and get the partner discounts. We changed our pricing model to better compete with contribute and others, and to better support our partners. If it really just needs to have some wysiwyg elements and simple forms, than making your own with fckeditor may be the way to go. David, send me a private email and I will see what we can do for you. Ray, since your right around the corner I would be happy to meet with you for lunch some time to talk about savvy, pricing and get your feedback. Best, Joshua Cyr www.besavvy.com -Original Message- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS They aren't free, the last I checked, in fact, I thought that they were pretty expensive. Doesn't Contribute have a fairly cheap (I remember around $90.00) nonprofit price? Also, not CF, but easier than FarCry to set up, there's Mambo (php): http://www.mamboserver.com/ Me likey Mambo, although I admit I have yet to use it in the real world, since Contribute is so much better, but it does cost money... Ray Russ Michaels wrote: www.besavvy.com Russ -Original Message- From: David Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 August 2005 22:08 To: CF-Talk Subject: Looking for very simple CMS I am looking for a VERY simple Content Management System written in CF for a small community group that has no money but has CF hosting. Can anyone recommend one or donate some code? Thanks in advance. David Adams Ottawa Ontario ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214336 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Looking for very simple CMS
Contribute it not a CMS tool nowhere near and is nigh on useless without using StreetSweeper MX aka DWMX 2004. Contribute certainly is a CMS tool. It isn't a server-side CMS application, but it does provide workflow and approval functionality in a very easy-to-use interface. As for being useless without Dreamweaver, that's a bit of a stretch. You typically use Dreamweaver to create templates, library items and shared assets for Contribute sites, but once that's done, you don't need Dreamweaver at all, and end-users never need it. We've done several Contribute implementations where we designed those assets for our clients using Dreamweaver, and they didn't need to use Dreamweaver at all. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214337 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Looking for very simple CMS
You still need dreamweaver (even if it is just for the template creation) - that is my point. Without it Contribute is not very effective. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 August 2005 15:20 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS Contribute it not a CMS tool nowhere near and is nigh on useless without using StreetSweeper MX aka DWMX 2004. Contribute certainly is a CMS tool. It isn't a server-side CMS application, but it does provide workflow and approval functionality in a very easy-to-use interface. As for being useless without Dreamweaver, that's a bit of a stretch. You typically use Dreamweaver to create templates, library items and shared assets for Contribute sites, but once that's done, you don't need Dreamweaver at all, and end-users never need it. We've done several Contribute implementations where we designed those assets for our clients using Dreamweaver, and they didn't need to use Dreamweaver at all. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214340 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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That really annoys me - that call for pricing model. It seems morally reprehensible. For the record, this is not how CommonSpot pricing works. They do have fixed prices for their products. However, different clients tend to need different products and different numbers of licenses, so it would be difficult for Paperthin to post prices on their site and have people make sense of them. Unfortunately, the fact is that complex products tend to have complex pricing schemes. As for moral reprehensibility, that's silly. There is no moral dimension to pricing. The goal of any seller is to maximize profit, and if flexible pricing schemes make that happen, that's the logical way to sell. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214341 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Looking for very simple CMS
Well, that's exactly what I meant by needing competition to help... It's not like these are difficult apps to create. Hell, from what I can tell, there aren't even that many features in the one that started all of this talk. --Ferg Mark A Kruger wrote: Ken, Unfortunately in the world of CMS - 14k (or 1400) is actually on the low end of the scale. Many of them charge a per seat fee that reoccurs. -Mark -Original Message- From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 8:23 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS ... No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. ... WHAT??? Reading on your website, I see the unlimited version for almost $14,000 and the single encrypted source version for about $1,400. Sounds to me like somebody needs a real competitor in the market to help correct those prices downward! --Ferg Joshua Cyr wrote: Hi Ray, Don't want to use this list as advertising but to clarify... No we are not free, but we are pretty affordable I think. (of those that are not open source of course) Especially for developers who sign up as a partner and get the partner discounts. We changed our pricing model to better compete with contribute and others, and to better support our partners. If it really just needs to have some wysiwyg elements and simple forms, than making your own with fckeditor may be the way to go. David, send me a private email and I will see what we can do for you. Ray, since your right around the corner I would be happy to meet with you for lunch some time to talk about savvy, pricing and get your feedback. Best, Joshua Cyr www.besavvy.com -Original Message- From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS They aren't free, the last I checked, in fact, I thought that they were pretty expensive. Doesn't Contribute have a fairly cheap (I remember around $90.00) nonprofit price? Also, not CF, but easier than FarCry to set up, there's Mambo (php): http://www.mamboserver.com/ Me likey Mambo, although I admit I have yet to use it in the real world, since Contribute is so much better, but it does cost money... Ray Russ Michaels wrote: www.besavvy.com Russ -Original Message- From: David Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 August 2005 22:08 To: CF-Talk Subject: Looking for very simple CMS I am looking for a VERY simple Content Management System written in CF for a small community group that has no money but has CF hosting. Can anyone recommend one or donate some code? Thanks in advance. David Adams Ottawa Ontario ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214343 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Looking for very simple CMS
I think that the fact is they do not even show a simple pricing scheme - it is all based on being called by a sales gimp. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 August 2005 15:26 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS That really annoys me - that call for pricing model. It seems morally reprehensible. For the record, this is not how CommonSpot pricing works. They do have fixed prices for their products. However, different clients tend to need different products and different numbers of licenses, so it would be difficult for Paperthin to post prices on their site and have people make sense of them. Unfortunately, the fact is that complex products tend to have complex pricing schemes. As for moral reprehensibility, that's silly. There is no moral dimension to pricing. The goal of any seller is to maximize profit, and if flexible pricing schemes make that happen, that's the logical way to sell. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214344 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Looking for very simple CMS
I think that the fact is they do not even show a simple pricing scheme - it is all based on being called by a sales gimp. This is generally the case for any expensive, complex product with lots of different options. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214348 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Looking for very simple CMS
well, it is in the CF CMS market for some reason, in two clicks I managed to get pricing on Microsoft CMS tool (which we use in some areas). I am sure that a lot of sales are lost due to the sales calls nonsense. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 August 2005 15:47 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS I think that the fact is they do not even show a simple pricing scheme - it is all based on being called by a sales gimp. This is generally the case for any expensive, complex product with lots of different options. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214351 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Looking for very simple CMS
Yea, nobody, especially geeks, like to talk to people on the phone. :) I *really* don't want to talk to pushy salespeople on the phone. I'm not asking for concrete numbers, just give me a range, a high, a low, whatever. If I can't afford it, or it's not going to fit into my client's budget, then I shouldn't have to be beat about the face, breast, chest, neck, and head for 15 minutes by a salesperson. If it does seem viable, then I'll call or fill out your contact form, etc. Has anyone been shopping for a $500 CMS solution and really been talked into a $14K solution? Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: well, it is in the CF CMS market for some reason, in two clicks I managed to get pricing on Microsoft CMS tool (which we use in some areas). I am sure that a lot of sales are lost due to the sales calls nonsense. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 August 2005 15:47 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS I think that the fact is they do not even show a simple pricing scheme - it is all based on being called by a sales gimp. This is generally the case for any expensive, complex product with lots of different options. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214354 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Looking for very simple CMS
Dave, Ok - here's my take I'm sorry to disagree with you - but the goal of call for pricing is not usually to shield customers from your pricing for their own good. It is to get someone - some person (some salesperson usually) to talk with you and make a pitch. I think there is definitely a moral dimension to it in some cases. I'm NOT making a comment specifically about commonSpot or any other product - and I do not know your connection with that product, but consider this scenario. Customer A calls in with a question about the product. He indicates he's the IT director of a large company and they are looking to replace their current CMS (let's say red dot) with a new one because they are not happy with the product - no mention of it's costliness. The CMS provider being savvy knows that Red Dot's pricing model is per seat with an installed enterprise license of 70k. So he or she bids in that neighborhood with per seat pricing. They maximize the profit margin by targeting the current price point (even though they may typically sell the product at a much lower cost - say 40,000). Customer B calls in and they are a small to medium size business with a portal site that has grown unwieldy. They are looking to implement CMS for the first time and they need a product, training, ongoing support etc. The sales person senses that budget is an issue so they target a price that is much lower than for customer A even though the actual product offering may be strikingly similar. Because of the complexity of the product AND the obscurity in pricing, customer A will never know they overpaid. In my view (and granted I may be the only one) this is not even handed enough to qualify as ok or right - sorry. Perhaps my standard is too high, but I think it's deceptive and wrong. I don't mind companies who offer discounts or make deals if they are above board about it, but they should not obscure the price of for market product just to give themselves wiggle room. The complexity of the product IS a factor in pricing, but there's no reason not to post a base price sheet for levels and/or modules with the caveat that some modules and services incur additional cost. Yes, your customers may get confused by your pricing scheme - at which point you could try simplifying it (there's a thought) or explaining it. It's not an intractable problem - just a difficult one. And the idea of shielding your customers from your pricing scheme because they might get confused is high handed. It reminds me of that Phil Hartman routine with the caveman - I'm just a simple caveman. I don't understand your big words like 'license' and 'module' You are right that it is common practice for complex product offerings to NOT post their prices, but there are certainly very complex product offerings that DO post their prices (as anyone who has tried to navigate the complexity of Microsoft licensing can attest). Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MCSE www.cfwebtools.com www.necfug.com http://mkruger.cfwebtools.com -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For the record, this is not how CommonSpot pricing works. They do have fixed prices for their products. However, different clients tend to need different products and different numbers of licenses, so it would be difficult for Paperthin to post prices on their site and have people make sense of them. Unfortunately, the fact is that complex products tend to have complex pricing schemes. As for moral reprehensibility, that's silly. There is no moral dimension to pricing. The goal of any seller is to maximize profit, and if flexible pricing schemes make that happen, that's the logical way to sell. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214365 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Looking for very simple CMS
This is generally the case for any expensive, complex product with lots of different options. I agree and to be honest, if my company is going to spend thousands of dollars on software, I'd like to discuss it with the company beforehand. It also helps keep their sales staff from hand-holding window shoppers. Sincerely, Kevin -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 10, 2005 8:47 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS I think that the fact is they do not even show a simple pricing scheme - it is all based on being called by a sales gimp. This is generally the case for any expensive, complex product with lots of different options. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214397 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Looking for very simple CMS
Also, just because the cost may change for certain clients doesnt mean they're getting ripped off, e.g. oh you have a massive project? we want the development, you can have the cms for free! oh you have a massive industry profile? we want you as a client so much that you can have the cms for free! -Original Message- From: Kevin Aebig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 August 2005 17:44 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS This is generally the case for any expensive, complex product with lots of different options. I agree and to be honest, if my company is going to spend thousands of dollars on software, I'd like to discuss it with the company beforehand. It also helps keep their sales staff from hand-holding window shoppers. Sincerely, Kevin -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 10, 2005 8:47 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS I think that the fact is they do not even show a simple pricing scheme - it is all based on being called by a sales gimp. This is generally the case for any expensive, complex product with lots of different options. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214399 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Looking for very simple CMS
Yes, your scenarios do happen in the real world and it is a reason for some companies to use the 'call for pricing' approach but... There are some companies that simply want a piece of the market share. They understand that if they highball everyone who calls to get the maximum amount of cash out of every customer, they'll eventually lose out to competition (OS, smaller companies, etc.) So why do they use 'call for pricing'? So that they can talk with you and help you choose what you need. If they can get you the you want, at a lower cost than you expected, they'll have your loyalty. Not every company is run by crooks... and not every salesman is from a used car lot... Cheers, Kevin -Original Message- From: Mark A Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 10, 2005 9:12 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS Dave, Ok - here's my take I'm sorry to disagree with you - but the goal of call for pricing is not usually to shield customers from your pricing for their own good. It is to get someone - some person (some salesperson usually) to talk with you and make a pitch. I think there is definitely a moral dimension to it in some cases. I'm NOT making a comment specifically about commonSpot or any other product - and I do not know your connection with that product, but consider this scenario. Customer A calls in with a question about the product. He indicates he's the IT director of a large company and they are looking to replace their current CMS (let's say red dot) with a new one because they are not happy with the product - no mention of it's costliness. The CMS provider being savvy knows that Red Dot's pricing model is per seat with an installed enterprise license of 70k. So he or she bids in that neighborhood with per seat pricing. They maximize the profit margin by targeting the current price point (even though they may typically sell the product at a much lower cost - say 40,000). Customer B calls in and they are a small to medium size business with a portal site that has grown unwieldy. They are looking to implement CMS for the first time and they need a product, training, ongoing support etc. The sales person senses that budget is an issue so they target a price that is much lower than for customer A even though the actual product offering may be strikingly similar. Because of the complexity of the product AND the obscurity in pricing, customer A will never know they overpaid. In my view (and granted I may be the only one) this is not even handed enough to qualify as ok or right - sorry. Perhaps my standard is too high, but I think it's deceptive and wrong. I don't mind companies who offer discounts or make deals if they are above board about it, but they should not obscure the price of for market product just to give themselves wiggle room. The complexity of the product IS a factor in pricing, but there's no reason not to post a base price sheet for levels and/or modules with the caveat that some modules and services incur additional cost. Yes, your customers may get confused by your pricing scheme - at which point you could try simplifying it (there's a thought) or explaining it. It's not an intractable problem - just a difficult one. And the idea of shielding your customers from your pricing scheme because they might get confused is high handed. It reminds me of that Phil Hartman routine with the caveman - I'm just a simple caveman. I don't understand your big words like 'license' and 'module' You are right that it is common practice for complex product offerings to NOT post their prices, but there are certainly very complex product offerings that DO post their prices (as anyone who has tried to navigate the complexity of Microsoft licensing can attest). Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MCSE www.cfwebtools.com www.necfug.com http://mkruger.cfwebtools.com -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For the record, this is not how CommonSpot pricing works. They do have fixed prices for their products. However, different clients tend to need different products and different numbers of licenses, so it would be difficult for Paperthin to post prices on their site and have people make sense of them. Unfortunately, the fact is that complex products tend to have complex pricing schemes. As for moral reprehensibility, that's silly. There is no moral dimension to pricing. The goal of any seller is to maximize profit, and if flexible pricing schemes make that happen, that's the logical way to sell. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http
RE: Looking for very simple CMS
Exactly! With low-cost development from over-seas being picking up steam, Dev Companies need to fight back and get solid, loyal clients by whatever means necessary. It's not easy to convince someone to buy your software these days... That's why I give some of mine away... it's so much easier. =] Kevin -Original Message- From: Kerry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 10, 2005 10:49 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS Also, just because the cost may change for certain clients doesnt mean they're getting ripped off, e.g. oh you have a massive project? we want the development, you can have the cms for free! oh you have a massive industry profile? we want you as a client so much that you can have the cms for free! -Original Message- From: Kevin Aebig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 August 2005 17:44 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS This is generally the case for any expensive, complex product with lots of different options. I agree and to be honest, if my company is going to spend thousands of dollars on software, I'd like to discuss it with the company beforehand. It also helps keep their sales staff from hand-holding window shoppers. Sincerely, Kevin -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 10, 2005 8:47 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS I think that the fact is they do not even show a simple pricing scheme - it is all based on being called by a sales gimp. This is generally the case for any expensive, complex product with lots of different options. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214403 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Looking for very simple CMS
That's the, let's see how much money we need this week pricing model. Or the, lets see how much we can make the squeal model. -Original Message- From: Mark A Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 6:45 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS Russ, That really annoys me - that call for pricing model. It seems morally reprehensible. -Mark ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214405 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Best Rich Text Editor (was: RE: Looking for very simple CMS)
So what is the best Rich Text editor today, for those of who need to build our own simple CMS? I keep hearing FCK lately, but until recently never heard of it. Others I have heard about, seems no one talks about anymore. Constanty Connie DeCinko III Web Architect, Webmaster, Web Developer Lone Jet Enterprises Glendale, Arizona www.LoneJet.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214406 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Looking for very simple CMS
Something more expensive CMS apps have that the simples ones don't need is workflow/approval processes. Many times you only have one end user who needs to be able to make changes, from any browser, without having to do so from a specific workstation where Contribute or such is installed. Constanty Connie DeCinko III Web Architect, Webmaster, Web Developer Lone Jet Enterprises Glendale, Arizona www.LoneJet.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214407 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Looking for very simple CMS
I think they are referring to the fairly new Macromedia Publishing System. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 7:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS But in the day of things like Contribute @ $150 MAX, why would one need such a crazy expensive solution for editing HTML pages? Why does Macromedia have a server-side CMS to match it? Macromedia does not have a server-side CMS. Spectra was the last server-side CMS offered by Macromedia. Contribute does have an optional server-side component called CPS, but this simply allows a few extra bits of functionality such as being able to authenticate against an LDAP server, and logging. It doesn't have anything to do with the content management process, and is completely optional. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214408 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Looking for very simple CMS
But a single copy of DW can support hundreds of copies of Contribute. -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 7:05 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS You still need dreamweaver (even if it is just for the template creation) - that is my point. Without it Contribute is not very effective. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214409 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Looking for very simple CMS
At the least, a price range would be helpful. Don't know how many times I wasted my time and a salesman's only to find out their starting price was double or triple my budget. -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 7:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS I think that the fact is they do not even show a simple pricing scheme - it is all based on being called by a sales gimp. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214410 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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I think they are referring to the fairly new Macromedia Publishing System. I'm pretty sure that's what I described. The server-side part of the CPS/WPS solution is primarily limited to user authentication, logging, and archiving. There's no server-side code used at runtime; it simply provides some interaction with Contribute during the authoring process. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214411 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Best Rich Text Editor (was: RE: Looking for very simple CMS)
TinyMCE is my favorite. Very nice interface, both for the user and the developer, and extension is a snap. cheers, barneyb On 8/10/05, Connie DeCinko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what is the best Rich Text editor today, for those of who need to build our own simple CMS? I keep hearing FCK lately, but until recently never heard of it. Others I have heard about, seems no one talks about anymore. Constanty Connie DeCinko III Web Architect, Webmaster, Web Developer Lone Jet Enterprises Glendale, Arizona www.LoneJet.com -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 50 invites. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214412 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Best Rich Text Editor (was: RE: Looking for very simple CMS)
I like KTML. It is cross browser, multiple OS. The only issue for many developers is that it requires dreamweaver to first install into your site, but it is easily made into a custom tag after that to use without dreamweaver at all. Their support is pretty good. http://www.interaktonline.com/Products/KTML/Overview/ I would say that FCKeditor has done a lot lately to catch up in the market, and is compelling for its price (free). I have yet to use it, but it looks good. http://www.fckeditor.com/ A lot of CMS's use ektron's product. http://www.ektron.com/web-content-editors.aspx As for some of the others... Ask when the last major update has been, and when the next one is coming. That is as important a factor as any other for me these days as I have gone through 2 that have simply stopped doing development. -Original Message- From: Connie DeCinko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 1:01 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Best Rich Text Editor (was: RE: Looking for very simple CMS) So what is the best Rich Text editor today, for those of who need to build our own simple CMS? I keep hearing FCK lately, but until recently never heard of it. Others I have heard about, seems no one talks about anymore. Constanty Connie DeCinko III Web Architect, Webmaster, Web Developer Lone Jet Enterprises Glendale, Arizona www.LoneJet.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214413 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Looking for very simple CMS
That's pretty much my thoughts on it too. russ -Original Message- From: Mark A Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 August 2005 16:12 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS Dave, Ok - here's my take I'm sorry to disagree with you - but the goal of call for pricing is not usually to shield customers from your pricing for their own good. It is to get someone - some person (some salesperson usually) to talk with you and make a pitch. I think there is definitely a moral dimension to it in some cases. I'm NOT making a comment specifically about commonSpot or any other product - and I do not know your connection with that product, but consider this scenario. Customer A calls in with a question about the product. He indicates he's the IT director of a large company and they are looking to replace their current CMS (let's say red dot) with a new one because they are not happy with the product - no mention of it's costliness. The CMS provider being savvy knows that Red Dot's pricing model is per seat with an installed enterprise license of 70k. So he or she bids in that neighborhood with per seat pricing. They maximize the profit margin by targeting the current price point (even though they may typically sell the product at a much lower cost - say 40,000). Customer B calls in and they are a small to medium size business with a portal site that has grown unwieldy. They are looking to implement CMS for the first time and they need a product, training, ongoing support etc. The sales person senses that budget is an issue so they target a price that is much lower than for customer A even though the actual product offering may be strikingly similar. Because of the complexity of the product AND the obscurity in pricing, customer A will never know they overpaid. In my view (and granted I may be the only one) this is not even handed enough to qualify as ok or right - sorry. Perhaps my standard is too high, but I think it's deceptive and wrong. I don't mind companies who offer discounts or make deals if they are above board about it, but they should not obscure the price of for market product just to give themselves wiggle room. The complexity of the product IS a factor in pricing, but there's no reason not to post a base price sheet for levels and/or modules with the caveat that some modules and services incur additional cost. Yes, your customers may get confused by your pricing scheme - at which point you could try simplifying it (there's a thought) or explaining it. It's not an intractable problem - just a difficult one. And the idea of shielding your customers from your pricing scheme because they might get confused is high handed. It reminds me of that Phil Hartman routine with the caveman - I'm just a simple caveman. I don't understand your big words like 'license' and 'module' You are right that it is common practice for complex product offerings to NOT post their prices, but there are certainly very complex product offerings that DO post their prices (as anyone who has tried to navigate the complexity of Microsoft licensing can attest). Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MCSE www.cfwebtools.com www.necfug.com http://mkruger.cfwebtools.com -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For the record, this is not how CommonSpot pricing works. They do have fixed prices for their products. However, different clients tend to need different products and different numbers of licenses, so it would be difficult for Paperthin to post prices on their site and have people make sense of them. Unfortunately, the fact is that complex products tend to have complex pricing schemes. As for moral reprehensibility, that's silly. There is no moral dimension to pricing. The goal of any seller is to maximize profit, and if flexible pricing schemes make that happen, that's the logical way to sell. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214418 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Best Rich Text Editor (was: RE: Looking for very simple CMS)
FCKeditor. Russ -Original Message- From: Connie DeCinko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 August 2005 18:01 To: CF-Talk Subject: Best Rich Text Editor (was: RE: Looking for very simple CMS) So what is the best Rich Text editor today, for those of who need to build our own simple CMS? I keep hearing FCK lately, but until recently never heard of it. Others I have heard about, seems no one talks about anymore. Constanty Connie DeCinko III Web Architect, Webmaster, Web Developer Lone Jet Enterprises Glendale, Arizona www.LoneJet.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214420 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Best Rich Text Editor (was: RE: Looking for very simple CMS)
-Original Message- From: Connie DeCinko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] So what is the best Rich Text editor today, for those of who need to build our own simple CMS? I still love TinyMCE. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214423 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Looking for very simple CMS
Contribute is around $150 per seat. Hosting companies don't offer it; it doesn't require a server-side component. It's a WYSIWYG HTML authoring tool. Typically, you use it with Dreamweaver templates. Then it is not really a CMS. -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214477 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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That makes it a CES, Content Editing System, rather than a Content Management System. For me the management part is the workflow portion. -Original Message- From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 2:08 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS Contribute is around $150 per seat. Hosting companies don't offer it; it doesn't require a server-side component. It's a WYSIWYG HTML authoring tool. Typically, you use it with Dreamweaver templates. Then it is not really a CMS. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214480 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Looking for very simple CMS
-Original Message- From: Connie DeCinko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 5:15 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS That makes it a CES, Content Editing System, rather than a Content Management System. For me the management part is the workflow portion. I dunno - it does manage access to content and the content itself (or least it seems to). There are no hard and fixed definitions here but I'd call it a client-side CMS - it's definitely more than just an editor in my opinion. Jim Davis ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214481 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Looking for very simple CMS
it does manage access to content and the content itself (or least it seems to). May be, but a CMS is supposed to be a system that manages content. If it just does text editing, then it is a text editor, if it gives access to HTML formating, then it is also an HTML editor, but it is not a SYSTEM, just a program. A true CMS is able to managed a STRUCTURED content, including pages, paragraphs, titles, images, agenda, news releases, etc. all with or without some workflow management. -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214485 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Looking for very simple CMS
-Original Message- From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 5:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS it does manage access to content and the content itself (or least it seems to). May be, but a CMS is supposed to be a system that manages content. If it just does text editing, then it is a text editor, if it gives access to HTML formating, then it is also an HTML editor, but it is not a SYSTEM, just a program. A true CMS is able to managed a STRUCTURED content, including pages, paragraphs, titles, images, agenda, news releases, etc. all with or without some workflow management. I think that's what it does--- doesn't it? I'm not sure, I've never used it, but from the little I've seem it does most everything on the authoring side that I'd expect of a CMS. Of course, again, there's no hard and fast definition. We use StoryServer at the office... but the only interface to change pages is a simple WYSIWYG IE editing control. However the engine itself does manage the content - caching, timed deploys, workflow, etc. It's just that actual creation of the content is cutting edge for 1998. They call it CMS but it pales next to anything I'd call a CMS. ;^) Jim Davis ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214486 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Looking for very simple CMS
I think that's what it does--- doesn't it? I'm not sure, I've never used it, but from the little I've seem it does most everything on the authoring side that I'd expect of a CMS. Neither did I, but if there is no server component, as someone said, where is the structure handled ? If it allows any one to write down a page and claim Here is a news release, the user manages the content, not the system. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214488 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Looking for very simple CMS
Contribute is around $150 per seat. Hosting companies don't offer it; it doesn't require a server-side component. It's a WYSIWYG HTML authoring tool. Typically, you use it with Dreamweaver templates. Then it is not really a CMS. Really? There are plenty of people (myself included) who would disagree. Within a Contribute site, you can control what authors can do within an HTML page, and you can control who can edit which pages. The administrator of the Contribute site uses Contribute itself to administer the site, create user accounts, specify permissions, and so on. All this can be done within Dreamweaver as well. That makes it a CES, Content Editing System, rather than a Content Management System. For me the management part is the workflow portion. For you, perhaps. However, it is considered a CMS product by the CMS world at large, for what that's worth. In addition, you can implement limited workflow (draft and approval process) within a Contribute site. The server-side CMS component allows greater flexibility with this, but even using just Contribute you can specify that an author can't publish something without an editor's approval. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214490 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Looking for very simple CMS
Hi, I just read a couple of msgs in this thread.. so I just want to give my vote to farcry. Some weeks ago I needed a free (easy) cms, too. for plannning and collecting/sharing some ideas about a project.. farcry was fast and easy to set up and after understanding the basics how it works (because I didnt use cms before:) easy to use. and including a basic, free wysiwyg-editor was no prob.,too.. well .. -- Sebastian Mork [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 17:08:27 -0400 David Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking for a VERY simple Content Management System written in CF for a small community group that has no money but has CF hosting. Can anyone recommend one or donate some code? Thanks in advance. David Adams Ottawa Ontario ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214493 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Looking for very simple CMS
http://www.edit.com Really, really simple. - j -Original Message- From: David Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:08 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Looking for very simple CMS I am looking for a VERY simple Content Management System written in CF for a small community group that has no money but has CF hosting. Can anyone recommend one or donate some code? Thanks in advance. David Adams Ottawa Ontario ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214494 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Best Rich Text Editor (was: RE: Looking for very simple CMS)
I love Xstandard. http://www.xstandard.com - j -Original Message- From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 2:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Best Rich Text Editor (was: RE: Looking for very simple CMS) -Original Message- From: Connie DeCinko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] So what is the best Rich Text editor today, for those of who need to build our own simple CMS? I still love TinyMCE. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214495 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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That is pretty cool for basic quick and dirty edits. Have you used this in production anywhere? Dan On 8/10/05, Jim Curran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.edit.com Really, really simple. - j -Original Message- From: David Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:08 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Looking for very simple CMS I am looking for a VERY simple Content Management System written in CF for a small community group that has no money but has CF hosting. Can anyone recommend one or donate some code? Thanks in advance. David Adams Ottawa Ontario ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214508 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Looking for very simple CMS
Really, really simple. Simple ideed, for someone who just want to edit HTML pages, but for CF users? -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214510 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Best Rich Text Editor (was: RE: Looking for very simple CMS)
So what is the best Rich Text editor today, for those of who need to build our own simple CMS? Until TinyMCE gets native Spellerpages support, I'll consider FCKeditor the go-to WYSIWYG editor. -- Roger Benningfield http://journurl.com/ http://admin.support.journurl.com/ ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214514 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Looking for very simple CMS
I am looking for a VERY simple Content Management System written in CF for a small community group that has no money but has CF hosting. Can anyone recommend one or donate some code? Thanks in advance. David Adams Ottawa Ontario ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214256 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Looking for very simple CMS
I am looking for a VERY simple Content Management System written in CF for a small community group that has no money but has CF hosting. Macromedia Contribute? -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214257 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Contribute is free??! He says, no money. :-P -Mensaje original- De: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:09 PM Para: CF-Talk Asunto: RE: Looking for very simple CMS I am looking for a VERY simple Content Management System written in CF for a small community group that has no money but has CF hosting. Macromedia Contribute? -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214259 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Looking for very simple CMS
has no money Try Farcry http://farcry.daemon.com.au/ -nathan strutz Damien McKenna wrote: I am looking for a VERY simple Content Management System written in CF for a small community group that has no money but has CF hosting. Macromedia Contribute? ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214258 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Looking for very simple CMS
Contribute is free just like FarCry is simple. ; ) cheers, barneyb On 8/9/05, Nathan Strutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: has no money Try Farcry http://farcry.daemon.com.au/ -nathan strutz -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 50 invites. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214260 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Looking for very simple CMS
-Original Message- From: David Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:08 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Looking for very simple CMS I am looking for a VERY simple Content Management System written in CF for a small community group that has no money but has CF hosting. Can anyone recommend one or donate some code? Most Blog apps have simple CMS systems as part of them - you might modify something from one of them. Some of them are complex enough that you can almost do a whole site just using the Blog tool... Jim Davis ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214262 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Looking for very simple CMS
www.besavvy.com Russ -Original Message- From: David Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 August 2005 22:08 To: CF-Talk Subject: Looking for very simple CMS I am looking for a VERY simple Content Management System written in CF for a small community group that has no money but has CF hosting. Can anyone recommend one or donate some code? Thanks in advance. David Adams Ottawa Ontario ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214266 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Looking for very simple CMS
Sorry I missed the fact that u wanted a free one. As well as farcry there is also SPECK CMS. Russ -Original Message- From: David Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 August 2005 22:08 To: CF-Talk Subject: Looking for very simple CMS I am looking for a VERY simple Content Management System written in CF for a small community group that has no money but has CF hosting. Can anyone recommend one or donate some code? Thanks in advance. David Adams Ottawa Ontario ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214267 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Looking for very simple CMS
They aren't free, the last I checked, in fact, I thought that they were pretty expensive. Doesn't Contribute have a fairly cheap (I remember around $90.00) nonprofit price? Also, not CF, but easier than FarCry to set up, there's Mambo (php): http://www.mamboserver.com/ Me likey Mambo, although I admit I have yet to use it in the real world, since Contribute is so much better, but it does cost money... Ray Russ Michaels wrote: www.besavvy.com Russ -Original Message- From: David Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 August 2005 22:08 To: CF-Talk Subject: Looking for very simple CMS I am looking for a VERY simple Content Management System written in CF for a small community group that has no money but has CF hosting. Can anyone recommend one or donate some code? Thanks in advance. David Adams Ottawa Ontario ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214269 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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http://mysecretbase.com/CMLite_Home.cfm -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com http://mysecretbase.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214270 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Looking for very simple CMS
contribute isn't bad -- I was considering buying it myself for the penniless nonprofit I was working with a while back. It offers the additional advantage of allowing you to control who contribute and who can make style decisions :) which was also an issue. Dana On 8/9/05, Ray Champagne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They aren't free, the last I checked, in fact, I thought that they were pretty expensive. Doesn't Contribute have a fairly cheap (I remember around $90.00) nonprofit price? Also, not CF, but easier than FarCry to set up, there's Mambo (php): http://www.mamboserver.com/ Me likey Mambo, although I admit I have yet to use it in the real world, since Contribute is so much better, but it does cost money... Ray Russ Michaels wrote: www.besavvy.com Russ -Original Message- From: David Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 August 2005 22:08 To: CF-Talk Subject: Looking for very simple CMS I am looking for a VERY simple Content Management System written in CF for a small community group that has no money but has CF hosting. Can anyone recommend one or donate some code? Thanks in advance. David Adams Ottawa Ontario ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214271 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Looking for very simple CMS
They had it for $50 a shot at MAX a couple years ago. -Original Message- From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 3:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS contribute isn't bad -- I was considering buying it myself for the penniless nonprofit I was working with a while back. It offers the additional advantage of allowing you to control who contribute and who can make style decisions :) which was also an issue. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214276 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Looking for very simple CMS
Anyone know how much Contribute is? Presumably there are some hosting companies offering Contribute as well...? Andrew Contribute is free??! He says, no money. :-P -Mensaje original- De: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:09 PM Para: CF-Talk Asunto: RE: Looking for very simple CMS I am looking for a VERY simple Content Management System written in CF for a small community group that has no money but has CF hosting. Macromedia Contribute? -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214297 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Looking for very simple CMS
Andrew, for the same reasons as you (i.e. a probono site with no money available to spend) I had to write my own CMS.I looked at Farcry which is open source, but decided the people who were going to be doing the content on my site were never going to be able to use Farcry.They are stretching themselves to handle sending and receiving email. So I had no option but to write my own. And it has proved to be a wonderful boon to my skill level. As a result I've learned a whole lot about objects, databases, CFCs, access levels and security. It was a bit of a sweat while I wrote it, but it's been terrific in the long run. I strongly urge you to consider writing your own too. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On 8/10/05, Andrew Grosset [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know how much Contribute is? Presumably there are some hosting companies offering Contribute as well...? Andrew Contribute is free??! He says, no money. :-P -Mensaje original- De: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:09 PM Para: CF-Talk Asunto: RE: Looking for very simple CMS I am looking for a VERY simple Content Management System written in CF for a small community group that has no money but has CF hosting. Macromedia Contribute? -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214298 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Looking for very simple CMS
Anyone know how much Contribute is? Presumably there are some hosting companies offering Contribute as well...? Contribute is around $150 per seat. Hosting companies don't offer it; it doesn't require a server-side component. It's a WYSIWYG HTML authoring tool. Typically, you use it with Dreamweaver templates. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214299 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
