RE: OT RE: (Admin) Vacations and being banned
Until someone pulls the plug on your computer, then no power no responder!
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From: Aaron Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT RE: (Admin) Vacations and being banned
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Cameron,
While this thread has demonstrated why autoresponders should remain
on the server side, Outlook does have the capability to be an
autoresponder. For example, if I go on vacation I can leave my
computer on, have my mail client pop the server every couple hours,
and send an autoreply to all OR using advanced filtering, just some
of those people who send an email. I'm guesstimating that most
people are setting up their mail client to auto respond but aren't
filtering.
Aaron Johnson, MCSE, MCP+I
Allaire Certified ColdFusion Developer
MINDSEYE, Inc.
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OT RE: (Admin) Vacations and being banned
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Cameron, While this thread has demonstrated why autoresponders should remain on the server side, Outlook does have the capability to be an autoresponder. For example, if I go on vacation I can leave my computer on, have my mail client pop the server every couple hours, and send an autoreply to all OR using advanced filtering, just some of those people who send an email. I'm guesstimating that most people are setting up their mail client to auto respond but aren't filtering. Aaron Johnson, MCSE, MCP+I Allaire Certified ColdFusion Developer MINDSEYE, Inc. 617.350.0339 617.350.8884 66172567 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Suggestion was: Re: (Admin) Vacations and being banned
Ryan wrote: > >I'm going to take all messages with certain subjects and have them stored > >without being sent to the list. A moderator will then be able to come in and > >check if a message is list-worthy or garbage. This allows an auto-sweeper > >solution with human intervention to avoid mistakes, the best of both worlds > >in my opinion. Of course, for this to work you need some standard subject > >headers and these exist in most auto-responder packages (thank God). This is > >why you didn't see more vacation posts over the holidays. > >Oh, all the above work will be done (and is being done) by CF and not the > >mailserver. Anyone who wants a copy of the code (messy that it is) is > >welcome to it. Please make requests off list. > > Michael I would set it up so (when you are catching an auto responder) > that instead of just sending it to the bit bucket, send a response back > telling them they are sending an auto responder to a large list, this is > a no-no, please unsubscribe instead. Now *that* might stop them from doing > it next time. > Although, in the case in question, wouldn't that just cause another loop? -- Jeff Houser | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: Reboog711 | ICQ: 5246969 | Phone: 860-229-2781 -- Instant ColdFusion 4.5 | ISBN: 0-07-213238-8 Due out 3rd Quarter 2001 -- DotComIt, LLC database driven web data using ColdFusion, Lotus Notes/Domino -- Half of the Alternative Folk Duo called Far Cry Fly http://www.farcryfly.com | http://www.mp3.com/FarCryFly -- Promise me no dead end streets, and I'll guarantee we'll have a road ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Autoresponder behaivor - Was: RE: (Admin) Vacations and being banned
> -Original Message- > From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 11:43 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: (Admin) Vacations and being banned > > [deleteia] Actually, with Microsoft Exchange Server 5.5, this setting is PURELY on the client. Having administered one for over a year, there was never a place to set up an autoresponder without a client. It could be controlled from the Administrator once it was set up, but the client had to be in the loop initially. > > > vacation. I know that Outlook also has the option to do some advanced > > filteringso I'll try to be more careful in the future. > > Again, advanced filtering is a client side activity. Autoresponders are > server side. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. You are right and wrong. Some servers require the client to set this up/ Other require the client to handle it. And then some allows this to be set up on the server. > > The fact remains that if you choose to participate in this community, it's > also *your* responsibility to make sure you are behaving > responsibly. This > may mean setting up a separate email account for list mail, unsubscribing > when you go on vacation, whatever... Here here! This is part of being a responsible neighbor. > > > First of all, I'm in agreement > > Oh yeah.. you were agreeing with me... Ok all done... :) > > -Cameron > > > Cameron Childress > elliptIQ Inc. > p.770.460.7277.232 > f.770.460.0963 > > [deletia] ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: (Admin) Vacations and being banned
Autoresponders, in the typical sense, are a server side function. However, MS Outlook has numerous client side rules-based functions for rolling your own auto-reply mechanisms (or other message management functions). The OOO notification is simply a built-in Outlook rule. Re's, Jeff > -Original Message- > From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 12:43 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: (Admin) Vacations and being banned > > > > However, I'm not sure the proposed solution will work. > MSOutlook (who I > > suspect is the primary 'culprit') has an option to send the OOO > > > I hate to be a stickler about this, but this is the second > time I've seen > this posted, and it's making me squirm in my seat to see it > again. AFAIK, > autoresponders are a mail server function, not a mail client > function. This > setting will most likely only be available to people using > Exchange Server > w/Outlook or some other server/client software such as Lotus. > > > vacation. I know that Outlook also has the option to do > some advanced > > filteringso I'll try to be more careful in the future. > > Again, advanced filtering is a client side activity. > Autoresponders are > server side. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. > > The fact remains that if you choose to participate in this > community, it's > also *your* responsibility to make sure you are behaving > responsibly. This > may mean setting up a separate email account for list mail, > unsubscribing > when you go on vacation, whatever... > > > First of all, I'm in agreement > > Oh yeah.. you were agreeing with me... Ok all done... :) > > -Cameron > > > Cameron Childress > elliptIQ Inc. > p.770.460.7277.232 > f.770.460.0963 > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 11:39 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: (Admin) Vacations and being banned > > > > > > A comment here: > > > > First of all, I'm in agreement; I really hate getting vacation > > notices from > > lists...because I'm NOT on holiday ;) Of course, I didn't > think about it, > > so I'm probably one of the guilty party that send an OOO notice > > to the list > > (oops - sorry) > > > > However, I'm not sure the proposed solution will work. > MSOutlook (who I > > suspect is the primary 'culprit') has an option to send the OOO > > notice only > > once to each email address. Therefore, you'd see it once > say on Dec 21st, > > then never again. Was the person only on holiday for one > day or for 2 > > weeks? > > > > Beyond that, I think its a good thing to stay current on lists over > > vacation. I know that Outlook also has the option to do > some advanced > > filteringso I'll try to be more careful in the future. > > > > Just a thought. > > > > Brian > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Philip Arnold - ASP [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 10:56 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: (Admin) Vacations and being banned > > > > > > I am totally in agreement with this - it really annoys me when > > you get 20-30 > > "I'm on holiday" messages within the first hour of a day > > > > If I had more time I would have unsubscribed that guy > myself today, but I > > think this is MUCH more effective - as long as it's in the notes > > when people > > subscribe, they can't claim ignorance > > > > I can understand if people forget they're in a small list, but > > CF-Talk has a > > huge amount of traffic - only the terminally stupid or > forgetful won't > > remember that they're "Out Of Office" message will hit 300 > times a day... > > > > Philip Arnold > > Director > > Certified ColdFusion Developer > > ASP Multimedia Limited > > T: +44 (0)20 8680 1133 > > > > "Websites for the real world" > > > > > ** > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > > are addressed. If you have received this email in error > please notify > > the system manager. > > > ***
RE: (Admin) Vacations and being banned
Cameron Childress wrote: > AFAIK, autoresponders are a mail server function, > not a mail client function. This setting will most likely only > be available to people using Exchange Server w/Outlook or some > other server/client software such as Lotus. I was about to say the same thing. People who are on vacation aren't going to be running their mail clients, so Outlook settings aren't relevant. It's the mail *server* that's doing the autoresponding. I believe people must be thinking of some Exchange feature that can be set through Outlook. Keith C. Ivey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Webmaster, EEI Communications 66 Canal Center Plaza, Suite 200 Alexandria, VA 22314 Telephone: 703-683-0683 Fax: 703-683-4915 Web Site: http://www.eeicommunications.com ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: (Admin) Vacations and being banned
i use outlook for SMTP/POP3 and it is *not* connected to exchange in any way. as long as my outlook is open, it can be an autoresponder. -Original Message- From: Cameron Childress [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 9:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: (Admin) Vacations and being banned > However, I'm not sure the proposed solution will work. MSOutlook (who I > suspect is the primary 'culprit') has an option to send the OOO . I hate to be a stickler about this, but this is the second time I've seen this posted, and it's making me squirm in my seat to see it again. AFAIK, autoresponders are a mail server function, not a mail client function. This setting will most likely only be available to people using Exchange Server w/Outlook or some other server/client software such as Lotus. > vacation. I know that Outlook also has the option to do some advanced > filteringso I'll try to be more careful in the future. Again, advanced filtering is a client side activity. Autoresponders are server side. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. The fact remains that if you choose to participate in this community, it's also *your* responsibility to make sure you are behaving responsibly. This may mean setting up a separate email account for list mail, unsubscribing when you go on vacation, whatever... > First of all, I'm in agreement Oh yeah.. you were agreeing with me... Ok all done... :) -Cameron Cameron Childress elliptIQ Inc. p.770.460.7277.232 f.770.460.0963 > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 11:39 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: (Admin) Vacations and being banned > > > A comment here: > > First of all, I'm in agreement; I really hate getting vacation > notices from > lists...because I'm NOT on holiday ;) Of course, I didn't think about it, > so I'm probably one of the guilty party that send an OOO notice > to the list > (oops - sorry) > > However, I'm not sure the proposed solution will work. MSOutlook (who I > suspect is the primary 'culprit') has an option to send the OOO > notice only > once to each email address. Therefore, you'd see it once say on Dec 21st, > then never again. Was the person only on holiday for one day or for 2 > weeks? > > Beyond that, I think its a good thing to stay current on lists over > vacation. I know that Outlook also has the option to do some advanced > filteringso I'll try to be more careful in the future. > > Just a thought..... > > Brian > > -Original Message- > From: Philip Arnold - ASP [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 10:56 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: (Admin) Vacations and being banned > > > I am totally in agreement with this - it really annoys me when > you get 20-30 > "I'm on holiday" messages within the first hour of a day > > If I had more time I would have unsubscribed that guy myself today, but I > think this is MUCH more effective - as long as it's in the notes > when people > subscribe, they can't claim ignorance > > I can understand if people forget they're in a small list, but > CF-Talk has a > huge amount of traffic - only the terminally stupid or forgetful won't > remember that they're "Out Of Office" message will hit 300 times a day... > > Philip Arnold > Director > Certified ColdFusion Developer > ASP Multimedia Limited > T: +44 (0)20 8680 1133 > > "Websites for the real world" > > ** > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify > the system manager. > ** > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: 15 January 2001 13:44 > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: (Admin) Vacations and being banned > > > > > > I really hate being a bad guy. I try to be good, I try to be > > nice, but once > > in a while someone does something to really upset me and I get > the urge to > > be bad. This 'something' that a person can do is usually > something stupid. > > Yes, I said stupid. People who act without thinking really upset > > me and that > > leads to very bad things. What has been done this time to upset > > me? Vacation > > notices being set for lists. &
RE: (Admin) Vacations and being banned
>However, I'm not sure the proposed solution will work. MSOutlook (who I >suspect is the primary 'culprit') has an option to send the OOO notice only >once to each email address. But each post in cf is posted as the mail sender; BFlynn, Robert Everland, Gavin Myers. So MS Outlook will reply to each of those people as different. I'd imagine, but *shrug* -- On a side note: I really like the newsgroup version then the e-mail (mch cleaner and easier to go through). Do you still have to be subscribed to the e-mail system to get the newsgroup? (I'm almost positive the answer is no, but I thought I'd ask before unsubscribing :)) Was also wondering why the newsgroup version of this isn't as easy to find? Is that just a test, or is it run throgh someone else? Cool, Gavin ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: (Admin) Vacations and being banned
> Beyond that, I think its a good thing to stay current on lists over > vacation. I know that Outlook also has the option to do some advanced > filteringso I'll try to be more careful in the future. > I'll agree with that. However, then don't set a 'macro / agent / autoresponder / whatever' to tell the list you are on vacation. -- Jeff Houser | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: Reboog711 | ICQ: 5246969 | Phone: 860-229-2781 -- Instant ColdFusion 4.5 | ISBN: 0-07-213238-8 Due out 3rd Quarter 2001 -- DotComIt, LLC database driven web data using ColdFusion, Lotus Notes/Domino -- Half of the Alternative Folk Duo called Far Cry Fly http://www.farcryfly.com | http://www.mp3.com/FarCryFly -- Promise me no dead end streets, and I'll guarantee we'll have a road ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: (Admin) Vacations and being banned
> However, I'm not sure the proposed solution will work. MSOutlook (who I > suspect is the primary 'culprit') has an option to send the OOO I hate to be a stickler about this, but this is the second time I've seen this posted, and it's making me squirm in my seat to see it again. AFAIK, autoresponders are a mail server function, not a mail client function. This setting will most likely only be available to people using Exchange Server w/Outlook or some other server/client software such as Lotus. > vacation. I know that Outlook also has the option to do some advanced > filteringso I'll try to be more careful in the future. Again, advanced filtering is a client side activity. Autoresponders are server side. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. The fact remains that if you choose to participate in this community, it's also *your* responsibility to make sure you are behaving responsibly. This may mean setting up a separate email account for list mail, unsubscribing when you go on vacation, whatever... > First of all, I'm in agreement Oh yeah.. you were agreeing with me... Ok all done... :) -Cameron Cameron Childress elliptIQ Inc. p.770.460.7277.232 f.770.460.0963 > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 11:39 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: (Admin) Vacations and being banned > > > A comment here: > > First of all, I'm in agreement; I really hate getting vacation > notices from > lists...because I'm NOT on holiday ;) Of course, I didn't think about it, > so I'm probably one of the guilty party that send an OOO notice > to the list > (oops - sorry) > > However, I'm not sure the proposed solution will work. MSOutlook (who I > suspect is the primary 'culprit') has an option to send the OOO > notice only > once to each email address. Therefore, you'd see it once say on Dec 21st, > then never again. Was the person only on holiday for one day or for 2 > weeks? > > Beyond that, I think its a good thing to stay current on lists over > vacation. I know that Outlook also has the option to do some advanced > filteringso I'll try to be more careful in the future. > > Just a thought..... > > Brian > > -Original Message- > From: Philip Arnold - ASP [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 10:56 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: (Admin) Vacations and being banned > > > I am totally in agreement with this - it really annoys me when > you get 20-30 > "I'm on holiday" messages within the first hour of a day > > If I had more time I would have unsubscribed that guy myself today, but I > think this is MUCH more effective - as long as it's in the notes > when people > subscribe, they can't claim ignorance > > I can understand if people forget they're in a small list, but > CF-Talk has a > huge amount of traffic - only the terminally stupid or forgetful won't > remember that they're "Out Of Office" message will hit 300 times a day... > > Philip Arnold > Director > Certified ColdFusion Developer > ASP Multimedia Limited > T: +44 (0)20 8680 1133 > > "Websites for the real world" > > ** > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify > the system manager. > ** > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: 15 January 2001 13:44 > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: (Admin) Vacations and being banned > > > > > > I really hate being a bad guy. I try to be good, I try to be > > nice, but once > > in a while someone does something to really upset me and I get > the urge to > > be bad. This 'something' that a person can do is usually > something stupid. > > Yes, I said stupid. People who act without thinking really upset > > me and that > > leads to very bad things. What has been done this time to upset > > me? Vacation > > notices being set for lists. > > During the holidays, many people set vacation notices and mail > > messages were > > bouncing all around because of it. I wrote a filter to stop most of them > > from coming to the list but still a few get through. In addition to the > > filter, I sent out message after message with the (Admin
Re: Suggestion was: Re: (Admin) Vacations and being banned
>I'm going to take all messages with certain subjects and have them stored >without being sent to the list. A moderator will then be able to come in and >check if a message is list-worthy or garbage. This allows an auto-sweeper >solution with human intervention to avoid mistakes, the best of both worlds >in my opinion. Of course, for this to work you need some standard subject >headers and these exist in most auto-responder packages (thank God). This is >why you didn't see more vacation posts over the holidays. >Oh, all the above work will be done (and is being done) by CF and not the >mailserver. Anyone who wants a copy of the code (messy that it is) is >welcome to it. Please make requests off list. Michael I would set it up so (when you are catching an auto responder) that instead of just sending it to the bit bucket, send a response back telling them they are sending an auto responder to a large list, this is a no-no, please unsubscribe instead. Now *that* might stop them from doing it next time. Ryan ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Suggestion was: Re: (Admin) Vacations and being banned
If someone is using an Outlook client it sets it automatically. The first part anyway - LEGAL DISCLAIMER -- This message and any attachments to it is intended only for the individual or company to which it is addressed and may contain information which is privileged, confidential or prohibited from disclosure or unauthorised use. If the recipient of this transmission is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering such materials to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this e-mail message or its attachments other than by its intended recipient is strictly prohibited by the sender. If you have received it in error, please return it to the sender and destroy the message and/or copies in your possession. The views or opinions expressed in this email are that of the individual and not necessarily those of A.B.C (Systems and Development) Limited or any of it's subsidiaries. -Original Message- From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 January 2001 15:49 To: CF-Talk Subject: Suggestion was: Re: (Admin) Vacations and being banned Michael Maybe there is a way to give intelligent people (like most of those on this list) the best of both worlds: Be able to set a simple autoresponder for an email address, easily, whenever they are not available Have the lists be able to detect a token in the subject & not propagate the message to the list in general Those who fail to supply the token are deserving of (and are assured to receive) the full Dinowitz wrath. I would suggest: Subject: [AR] I will be out of the office AR is for AutoResponder Others, more clever than I, may have other suggestions for a token... but let's pick something and create a standard. Dick At 9:18 AM -0500 1/15/01, Michael Dinowitz wrote: >If this was an isolated incident on a single, fringe list I'd agree but in >almost all cases the person is subscribed to either CF-Talk or JRun-Talk >only. >I recognize that there's a need for a new interface and will place one up >today. > > >> The only thing I have to say to this is that with all the lists we keep >> making for HOF aren't we asking for someone to forget to unsubscribe to >one >> list. There are 8 lists associated with just CF. If there was a way for >> someone to put one email address that they would sign up with any list and >> use that one email list to unsubscribe I would totally agree with you that >> this is unacceptable, but if this person has signed up for many lists I am >> sure it was just a mistake with having to unsubscribe to so many lists he > > may have forgot one. ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: (Admin) Vacations and being banned
A comment here: First of all, I'm in agreement; I really hate getting vacation notices from lists...because I'm NOT on holiday ;) Of course, I didn't think about it, so I'm probably one of the guilty party that send an OOO notice to the list (oops - sorry) However, I'm not sure the proposed solution will work. MSOutlook (who I suspect is the primary 'culprit') has an option to send the OOO notice only once to each email address. Therefore, you'd see it once say on Dec 21st, then never again. Was the person only on holiday for one day or for 2 weeks? Beyond that, I think its a good thing to stay current on lists over vacation. I know that Outlook also has the option to do some advanced filteringso I'll try to be more careful in the future. Just a thought. Brian -Original Message- From: Philip Arnold - ASP [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 10:56 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: (Admin) Vacations and being banned I am totally in agreement with this - it really annoys me when you get 20-30 "I'm on holiday" messages within the first hour of a day If I had more time I would have unsubscribed that guy myself today, but I think this is MUCH more effective - as long as it's in the notes when people subscribe, they can't claim ignorance I can understand if people forget they're in a small list, but CF-Talk has a huge amount of traffic - only the terminally stupid or forgetful won't remember that they're "Out Of Office" message will hit 300 times a day... Philip Arnold Director Certified ColdFusion Developer ASP Multimedia Limited T: +44 (0)20 8680 1133 "Websites for the real world" ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. ** > -Original Message- > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 15 January 2001 13:44 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: (Admin) Vacations and being banned > > > I really hate being a bad guy. I try to be good, I try to be > nice, but once > in a while someone does something to really upset me and I get the urge to > be bad. This 'something' that a person can do is usually something stupid. > Yes, I said stupid. People who act without thinking really upset > me and that > leads to very bad things. What has been done this time to upset > me? Vacation > notices being set for lists. > During the holidays, many people set vacation notices and mail > messages were > bouncing all around because of it. I wrote a filter to stop most of them > from coming to the list but still a few get through. In addition to the > filter, I sent out message after message with the (Admin) header asking > people to unsubscribe from the lists when they go on vacation. You'd think > they'd listen. > The major problem other than having a TON of garbage posts about > "being out > of the office" or "Gone fishing" is that the people most ready to complain > about them are the same people who set them. For this reason, I'm > setting a > new policy for the lists. If someone goes on vacation and sets an > auto-responder that sends an email to ANY House of Fusion list, > they will be > banned for the time of the vacation PLUS a week after. > I know this is an extreme measure, but maybe people will learn from it. > > > ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Suggestion was: Re: (Admin) Vacations and being banned
Like someone's going to follow a standard for auto-responders. ;) Don't get me wrong, I think the idea has merit but the same people who set their auto-responders on a list also tend to be the same people who don't use subject headers. I'm going to take all messages with certain subjects and have them stored without being sent to the list. A moderator will then be able to come in and check if a message is list-worthy or garbage. This allows an auto-sweeper solution with human intervention to avoid mistakes, the best of both worlds in my opinion. Of course, for this to work you need some standard subject headers and these exist in most auto-responder packages (thank God). This is why you didn't see more vacation posts over the holidays. Oh, all the above work will be done (and is being done) by CF and not the mailserver. Anyone who wants a copy of the code (messy that it is) is welcome to it. Please make requests off list. > Michael > > Maybe there is a way to give intelligent people (like most of those > on this list) the best of both worlds: > >Be able to set a simple autoresponder for an email address, easily, whenever >they are not available > >Have the lists be able to detect a token in the subject & not propagate the >message to the list in general > > Those who fail to supply the token are deserving of (and are assured > to receive) the full Dinowitz wrath. > > > I would suggest: > > Subject: [AR] I will be out of the office > > AR is for AutoResponder > > Others, more clever than I, may have other suggestions for a token... > but let's pick something and create a standard. > > Dick > > At 9:18 AM -0500 1/15/01, Michael Dinowitz wrote: > >If this was an isolated incident on a single, fringe list I'd agree but in > >almost all cases the person is subscribed to either CF-Talk or JRun-Talk > >only. > >I recognize that there's a need for a new interface and will place one up > >today. > > > > > >> The only thing I have to say to this is that with all the lists we keep > >> making for HOF aren't we asking for someone to forget to unsubscribe to > >one > >> list. There are 8 lists associated with just CF. If there was a way for > >> someone to put one email address that they would sign up with any list and > >> use that one email list to unsubscribe I would totally agree with you that > >> this is unacceptable, but if this person has signed up for many lists I am > >> sure it was just a mistake with having to unsubscribe to so many lists he > > > may have forgot one. > > ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: (Admin) Vacations and being banned
I am totally in agreement with this - it really annoys me when you get 20-30 "I'm on holiday" messages within the first hour of a day If I had more time I would have unsubscribed that guy myself today, but I think this is MUCH more effective - as long as it's in the notes when people subscribe, they can't claim ignorance I can understand if people forget they're in a small list, but CF-Talk has a huge amount of traffic - only the terminally stupid or forgetful won't remember that they're "Out Of Office" message will hit 300 times a day... Philip Arnold Director Certified ColdFusion Developer ASP Multimedia Limited T: +44 (0)20 8680 1133 "Websites for the real world" ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. ** > -Original Message- > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 15 January 2001 13:44 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: (Admin) Vacations and being banned > > > I really hate being a bad guy. I try to be good, I try to be > nice, but once > in a while someone does something to really upset me and I get the urge to > be bad. This 'something' that a person can do is usually something stupid. > Yes, I said stupid. People who act without thinking really upset > me and that > leads to very bad things. What has been done this time to upset > me? Vacation > notices being set for lists. > During the holidays, many people set vacation notices and mail > messages were > bouncing all around because of it. I wrote a filter to stop most of them > from coming to the list but still a few get through. In addition to the > filter, I sent out message after message with the (Admin) header asking > people to unsubscribe from the lists when they go on vacation. You'd think > they'd listen. > The major problem other than having a TON of garbage posts about > "being out > of the office" or "Gone fishing" is that the people most ready to complain > about them are the same people who set them. For this reason, I'm > setting a > new policy for the lists. If someone goes on vacation and sets an > auto-responder that sends an email to ANY House of Fusion list, > they will be > banned for the time of the vacation PLUS a week after. > I know this is an extreme measure, but maybe people will learn from it. > > > ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Suggestion was: Re: (Admin) Vacations and being banned
Michael Maybe there is a way to give intelligent people (like most of those on this list) the best of both worlds: Be able to set a simple autoresponder for an email address, easily, whenever they are not available Have the lists be able to detect a token in the subject & not propagate the message to the list in general Those who fail to supply the token are deserving of (and are assured to receive) the full Dinowitz wrath. I would suggest: Subject: [AR] I will be out of the office AR is for AutoResponder Others, more clever than I, may have other suggestions for a token... but let's pick something and create a standard. Dick At 9:18 AM -0500 1/15/01, Michael Dinowitz wrote: >If this was an isolated incident on a single, fringe list I'd agree but in >almost all cases the person is subscribed to either CF-Talk or JRun-Talk >only. >I recognize that there's a need for a new interface and will place one up >today. > > >> The only thing I have to say to this is that with all the lists we keep >> making for HOF aren't we asking for someone to forget to unsubscribe to >one >> list. There are 8 lists associated with just CF. If there was a way for >> someone to put one email address that they would sign up with any list and >> use that one email list to unsubscribe I would totally agree with you that >> this is unacceptable, but if this person has signed up for many lists I am >> sure it was just a mistake with having to unsubscribe to so many lists he > > may have forgot one. ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: (Admin) Vacations and being banned
> -Original Message- > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 07:44 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: (Admin) Vacations and being banned > > [snip of the rant] > The major problem other than having a TON of garbage posts about > "being out > of the office" or "Gone fishing" is that the people most ready to complain > about them are the same people who set them. For this reason, I'm > setting a > new policy for the lists. If someone goes on vacation and sets an > auto-responder that sends an email to ANY House of Fusion list, > they will be > banned for the time of the vacation PLUS a week after. > I know this is an extreme measure, but maybe people will learn from it. Extreme stupidity calls for extreme action. At least that's what my ol' pappy tol' me. I agree with this policy. When I go on vacation, I make sure I can go someplace I can check my mail and download it. If I can't plan that way, I unsubscribe to mailing lists. This is just good nettiquette. Russel Russel Madere, Jr. Senior Web Developer ICQ: 5446158 http://www.TurboSquid.com Wherw were you when the line was drawn in the sand? ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: (Admin) Vacations and being banned
If this was an isolated incident on a single, fringe list I'd agree but in almost all cases the person is subscribed to either CF-Talk or JRun-Talk only. I recognize that there's a need for a new interface and will place one up today. > The only thing I have to say to this is that with all the lists we keep > making for HOF aren't we asking for someone to forget to unsubscribe to one > list. There are 8 lists associated with just CF. If there was a way for > someone to put one email address that they would sign up with any list and > use that one email list to unsubscribe I would totally agree with you that > this is unacceptable, but if this person has signed up for many lists I am > sure it was just a mistake with having to unsubscribe to so many lists he > may have forgot one. ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: (Admin) Vacations and being banned
Michael, Maybe I'm in the minority, but I just don't see why people get so angry about vacation messages. I think it's an honest mistake, and when you're subscribed to a dozen lists and looking forward to leaving town I'm sure it's easy to forget to change your settings. I'm sure of one thing: in the amount of time it takes for people to complain and call people stupid, the complainers could easily write a filter to delete vacation messages from their inbox. Regards, Marc Garrett - Original Message - From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 8:43 AM Subject: (Admin) Vacations and being banned > I really hate being a bad guy. ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: (Admin) Vacations and being banned
The only thing I have to say to this is that with all the lists we keep making for HOF aren't we asking for someone to forget to unsubscribe to one list. There are 8 lists associated with just CF. If there was a way for someone to put one email address that they would sign up with any list and use that one email list to unsubscribe I would totally agree with you that this is unacceptable, but if this person has signed up for many lists I am sure it was just a mistake with having to unsubscribe to so many lists he may have forgot one. Robert Everland III Web Developer Dixon Ticonderoga -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 8:44 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: (Admin) Vacations and being banned I really hate being a bad guy. I try to be good, I try to be nice, but once in a while someone does something to really upset me and I get the urge to be bad. This 'something' that a person can do is usually something stupid. Yes, I said stupid. People who act without thinking really upset me and that leads to very bad things. What has been done this time to upset me? Vacation notices being set for lists. During the holidays, many people set vacation notices and mail messages were bouncing all around because of it. I wrote a filter to stop most of them from coming to the list but still a few get through. In addition to the filter, I sent out message after message with the (Admin) header asking people to unsubscribe from the lists when they go on vacation. You'd think they'd listen. The major problem other than having a TON of garbage posts about "being out of the office" or "Gone fishing" is that the people most ready to complain about them are the same people who set them. For this reason, I'm setting a new policy for the lists. If someone goes on vacation and sets an auto-responder that sends an email to ANY House of Fusion list, they will be banned for the time of the vacation PLUS a week after. I know this is an extreme measure, but maybe people will learn from it. ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: (Admin) Vacations and being banned
as far as I can tell, house of fusion mailing lists still do not have a Precendence: bulk header in them, informing most vacation programs not to reply ... -- Larry W. Virden mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.purl.org/net/lvirden/> Even if explicitly stated to the contrary, nothing in this posting should be construed as representing my employer's opinions. ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
