RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?)
Chris, I've dealt with UBB, fuseTalk, ezBoard, and the old Allaire Forums. If I can say anything on the subject, it's that NO ONE has gotten it right (especially on the database end). Mike D said a year ago he was going to re-write the old Allaire Forums and eventually open source it. Which, stop me if I'm wrong, is what is being used on houseoffusion.com? But I think I missed the part where he open sourced it. Last I checked in June at cfFun, he said he was still working on it. I for one would really like to work an open-source bbs project. I think there is a pretty high demand for a sturdy open source board, which can be customized at the will of the programmer. I've thrown around the open-source idea with a bunch of people but found our selves intimidated by the legal requirements. You know we have a really great community here, but I can't tell you of ANY cold fusion open-source projects. Is open source cold fusion a pipe dream? Would anyone else be interested in contributing? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Chris Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Cold Fusion forum Howdy Michael, Thursday, December 19, 2002, 7:54:13 PM, Michael T. Tangorre wrote: > I am attempting to to try some more advanced things with an idea I > have. I am going to be building an online forum to tinker with.. can > anyone point me to some database examples? The code side is what I am > going to be playing with but need a good architecture to use.. anyone > know of one I can download? I didn't see a reply to this yet, so I'll offer one to consider: http://sourceforge.net/projects/fbopenforums/ It uses Fusebox, but you might be able to get something useful out of it. If you are wanting to explore how the database would be structured for a forums app, you might want to research hierarchical database design, parent-child relationships, or using recursion with your database. This page is an example of doing recursive joins for a forum: http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/webtech/sqlguru/q120899-1.shtml with a follow-up here: http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/webtech/sqlguru/q121799-1.shtml Another post about threaded discussion forums database design: http://www.sqlteam.com/item.asp?ItemID=1353 with a follow-up here: http://www.sqlteam.com/item.asp?ItemID=1602 Some good SQL sites to check out: http://www.dbmsmag.com/index.shtml http://www.codebits.com/ntm/ http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2001/07/12/aboutSQL.html http://www.sqlteam.com/Default.asp http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/ http://www.intelligententerprise.com/info_centers/database/ http://www.databasejournal.com/ http://www.sqlmag.com/ Hope that helps you somewhat. Happy Holidays! -- Chris Montgomerymonty @ airtightweb.com Airtight Web Services http://www.airtightweb.com Web Development, Web Project Management, Software Sales 210-490-3249/888-745-7603 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?)
There are several open source CF projects underway at source forge. There is one called fb open forums, umm another CMS called comet I believe, as well as a url variable encryption one I worked on a while back. Kick it off bro :) Get something started, Sourceforge has a good management system for file and bug tracking and all. Timothy Heald Assistant Webmaster Overseas Security Advisory Council U.S. Department of State -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 11:47 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) Chris, I've dealt with UBB, fuseTalk, ezBoard, and the old Allaire Forums. If I can say anything on the subject, it's that NO ONE has gotten it right (especially on the database end). Mike D said a year ago he was going to re-write the old Allaire Forums and eventually open source it. Which, stop me if I'm wrong, is what is being used on houseoffusion.com? But I think I missed the part where he open sourced it. Last I checked in June at cfFun, he said he was still working on it. I for one would really like to work an open-source bbs project. I think there is a pretty high demand for a sturdy open source board, which can be customized at the will of the programmer. I've thrown around the open-source idea with a bunch of people but found our selves intimidated by the legal requirements. You know we have a really great community here, but I can't tell you of ANY cold fusion open-source projects. Is open source cold fusion a pipe dream? Would anyone else be interested in contributing? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Chris Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Cold Fusion forum Howdy Michael, Thursday, December 19, 2002, 7:54:13 PM, Michael T. Tangorre wrote: > I am attempting to to try some more advanced things with an idea I > have. I am going to be building an online forum to tinker with.. can > anyone point me to some database examples? The code side is what I am > going to be playing with but need a good architecture to use.. anyone > know of one I can download? I didn't see a reply to this yet, so I'll offer one to consider: http://sourceforge.net/projects/fbopenforums/ It uses Fusebox, but you might be able to get something useful out of it. If you are wanting to explore how the database would be structured for a forums app, you might want to research hierarchical database design, parent-child relationships, or using recursion with your database. This page is an example of doing recursive joins for a forum: http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/webtech/sqlguru/q120899-1.shtml with a follow-up here: http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/webtech/sqlguru/q121799-1.shtml Another post about threaded discussion forums database design: http://www.sqlteam.com/item.asp?ItemID=1353 with a follow-up here: http://www.sqlteam.com/item.asp?ItemID=1602 Some good SQL sites to check out: http://www.dbmsmag.com/index.shtml http://www.codebits.com/ntm/ http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2001/07/12/aboutSQL.html http://www.sqlteam.com/Default.asp http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/ http://www.intelligententerprise.com/info_centers/database/ http://www.databasejournal.com/ http://www.sqlmag.com/ Hope that helps you somewhat. Happy Holidays! -- Chris Montgomerymonty @ airtightweb.com Airtight Web Services http://www.airtightweb.com Web Development, Web Project Management, Software Sales 210-490-3249/888-745-7603 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?)
I've open sourced small things in CF, but as for Open Sourcing a big project... why on earth would I want to do that on a platform that is inherently not free? As much as I like CF and working in it -- I do make a living from it -- I'd much rather do my open source programming in a language that presents no $$$ barrier to adoption, a platform that anyone on earth can use, regardless of financial backing. (I created OpenRealty -- http://jonroig.com/freecode/openrealty in PHP, for instance, and it's being used by hundreds of sites...) I'm not one of those little Stallman groupies either... and that's also not to say there aren't little pockets of OS CF stuff developing. I mean, look at CFLIB.org and how helpful that has been to the community. -- jon - jon roig senior manager, online production epilepsy foundation phone: 215.850.0710 site: http://www.epilepsyfoundation.org email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 11:47 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) Chris, I've dealt with UBB, fuseTalk, ezBoard, and the old Allaire Forums. If I can say anything on the subject, it's that NO ONE has gotten it right (especially on the database end). Mike D said a year ago he was going to re-write the old Allaire Forums and eventually open source it. Which, stop me if I'm wrong, is what is being used on houseoffusion.com? But I think I missed the part where he open sourced it. Last I checked in June at cfFun, he said he was still working on it. I for one would really like to work an open-source bbs project. I think there is a pretty high demand for a sturdy open source board, which can be customized at the will of the programmer. I've thrown around the open-source idea with a bunch of people but found our selves intimidated by the legal requirements. You know we have a really great community here, but I can't tell you of ANY cold fusion open-source projects. Is open source cold fusion a pipe dream? Would anyone else be interested in contributing? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Chris Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Cold Fusion forum Howdy Michael, Thursday, December 19, 2002, 7:54:13 PM, Michael T. Tangorre wrote: > I am attempting to to try some more advanced things with an idea I > have. I am going to be building an online forum to tinker with.. can > anyone point me to some database examples? The code side is what I am > going to be playing with but need a good architecture to use.. anyone > know of one I can download? I didn't see a reply to this yet, so I'll offer one to consider: http://sourceforge.net/projects/fbopenforums/ It uses Fusebox, but you might be able to get something useful out of it. If you are wanting to explore how the database would be structured for a forums app, you might want to research hierarchical database design, parent-child relationships, or using recursion with your database. This page is an example of doing recursive joins for a forum: http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/webtech/sqlguru/q120899-1.shtml with a follow-up here: http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/webtech/sqlguru/q121799-1.shtml Another post about threaded discussion forums database design: http://www.sqlteam.com/item.asp?ItemID=1353 with a follow-up here: http://www.sqlteam.com/item.asp?ItemID=1602 Some good SQL sites to check out: http://www.dbmsmag.com/index.shtml http://www.codebits.com/ntm/ http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2001/07/12/aboutSQL.html http://www.sqlteam.com/Default.asp http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/ http://www.intelligententerprise.com/info_centers/database/ http://www.databasejournal.com/ http://www.sqlmag.com/ Hope that helps you somewhat. Happy Holidays! -- Chris Montgomerymonty @ airtightweb.com Airtight Web Services http://www.airtightweb.com Web Development, Web Project Management, Software Sales 210-490-3249/888-745-7603 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?)
I'd be willing to open SMB to other developers... http://www.simplemessageboard.com/ > I've dealt with UBB, fuseTalk, ezBoard, and the old Allaire Forums. If I > can say anything on the subject, it's that NO ONE has gotten it right > (especially on the database end). > > Mike D said a year ago he was going to re-write the old Allaire Forums > and eventually open source it. Which, stop me if I'm wrong, is what is > being used on houseoffusion.com? But I think I missed the part where he > open sourced it. Last I checked in June at cfFun, he said he was still > working on it. > > I for one would really like to work an open-source bbs project. I think > there is a pretty high demand for a sturdy open source board, which can > be customized at the will of the programmer. I've thrown around the > open-source idea with a bunch of people but found our selves intimidated > by the legal requirements. > > You know we have a really great community here, but I can't tell you of > ANY cold fusion open-source projects. Is open source cold fusion a pipe > dream? Would anyone else be interested in contributing? > > Adam Wayne Lehman > Web Systems Developer > Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health > Distance Education Division > > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:58 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Cold Fusion forum > > Howdy Michael, > > Thursday, December 19, 2002, 7:54:13 PM, Michael T. Tangorre wrote: > > > I am attempting to to try some more advanced things with an idea I > > have. I am going to be building an online forum to tinker with.. can > > anyone point me to some database examples? The code side is what I am > > going to be playing with but need a good architecture to use.. anyone > > know of one I can download? > > I didn't see a reply to this yet, so I'll offer one to consider: > http://sourceforge.net/projects/fbopenforums/ > > It uses Fusebox, but you might be able to get something useful out of > it. > > If you are wanting to explore how the database would be structured for a > forums app, you might want to research hierarchical database design, > parent-child relationships, or using recursion with your database. > > This page is an example of doing recursive joins for a forum: > http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/webtech/sqlguru/q120899-1.shtml > with a follow-up here: > http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/webtech/sqlguru/q121799-1.shtml > > Another post about threaded discussion forums database design: > http://www.sqlteam.com/item.asp?ItemID=1353 > with a follow-up here: > http://www.sqlteam.com/item.asp?ItemID=1602 > > Some good SQL sites to check out: > http://www.dbmsmag.com/index.shtml > http://www.codebits.com/ntm/ > http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2001/07/12/aboutSQL.html > http://www.sqlteam.com/Default.asp > http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/ > http://www.intelligententerprise.com/info_centers/database/ > http://www.databasejournal.com/ > http://www.sqlmag.com/ > > Hope that helps you somewhat. > > Happy Holidays! > > -- > Chris Montgomerymonty @ airtightweb.com > Airtight Web Services http://www.airtightweb.com > Web Development, Web Project Management, Software Sales > 210-490-3249/888-745-7603 > > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
Re: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?)
I actually never got around to rewriting the forums as a straight forums package. What I did do is use the basic design as a base for the list archives. The underlying code is 100% different with no connection to the older forums other than a little look and feel. That being said, I've given the code over to Howie for inclusion in the iMS package and will release it to whoever asks. Problem is, it's still basically code that's tight as hell but specific to list archiving. It would have to be rewritten (again) to make it into a general forums package. If one day I find some time to actually go back and rewrite the old forums package for fun, I'll do it. Time oh give me time. :) > Mike D said a year ago he was going to re-write the old Allaire Forums > and eventually open source it. Which, stop me if I'm wrong, is what is > being used on houseoffusion.com? But I think I missed the part where he > open sourced it. Last I checked in June at cfFun, he said he was still > working on it. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?)
Yeah, I think we have two different philosophies on open-source. I'd write open-source for the need of building the perfect application utilizing multiple developer perspectives. (To save from the headaches of rewriting everyone else's) Quite frankly, the 'perfect BBS app' has yet to be written. And I'm surprised. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: jon roig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 10:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) I've open sourced small things in CF, but as for Open Sourcing a big project... why on earth would I want to do that on a platform that is inherently not free? As much as I like CF and working in it -- I do make a living from it -- I'd much rather do my open source programming in a language that presents no $$$ barrier to adoption, a platform that anyone on earth can use, regardless of financial backing. (I created OpenRealty -- http://jonroig.com/freecode/openrealty in PHP, for instance, and it's being used by hundreds of sites...) I'm not one of those little Stallman groupies either... and that's also not to say there aren't little pockets of OS CF stuff developing. I mean, look at CFLIB.org and how helpful that has been to the community. -- jon - jon roig senior manager, online production epilepsy foundation phone: 215.850.0710 site: http://www.epilepsyfoundation.org email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 11:47 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) Chris, I've dealt with UBB, fuseTalk, ezBoard, and the old Allaire Forums. If I can say anything on the subject, it's that NO ONE has gotten it right (especially on the database end). Mike D said a year ago he was going to re-write the old Allaire Forums and eventually open source it. Which, stop me if I'm wrong, is what is being used on houseoffusion.com? But I think I missed the part where he open sourced it. Last I checked in June at cfFun, he said he was still working on it. I for one would really like to work an open-source bbs project. I think there is a pretty high demand for a sturdy open source board, which can be customized at the will of the programmer. I've thrown around the open-source idea with a bunch of people but found our selves intimidated by the legal requirements. You know we have a really great community here, but I can't tell you of ANY cold fusion open-source projects. Is open source cold fusion a pipe dream? Would anyone else be interested in contributing? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Chris Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Cold Fusion forum Howdy Michael, Thursday, December 19, 2002, 7:54:13 PM, Michael T. Tangorre wrote: > I am attempting to to try some more advanced things with an idea I > have. I am going to be building an online forum to tinker with.. can > anyone point me to some database examples? The code side is what I am > going to be playing with but need a good architecture to use.. anyone > know of one I can download? I didn't see a reply to this yet, so I'll offer one to consider: http://sourceforge.net/projects/fbopenforums/ It uses Fusebox, but you might be able to get something useful out of it. If you are wanting to explore how the database would be structured for a forums app, you might want to research hierarchical database design, parent-child relationships, or using recursion with your database. This page is an example of doing recursive joins for a forum: http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/webtech/sqlguru/q120899-1.shtml with a follow-up here: http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/webtech/sqlguru/q121799-1.shtml Another post about threaded discussion forums database design: http://www.sqlteam.com/item.asp?ItemID=1353 with a follow-up here: http://www.sqlteam.com/item.asp?ItemID=1602 Some good SQL sites to check out: http://www.dbmsmag.com/index.shtml http://www.codebits.com/ntm/ http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2001/07/12/aboutSQL.html http://www.sqlteam.com/Default.asp http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/ http://www.intelligententerprise.com/info_centers/database/ http://www.databasejournal.com/ http://www.sqlmag.com/ Hope that helps you somewhat. Happy Holidays! -- Chris Montgomerymonty @ airtightweb.com Airtight Web Services http://www.airtightweb.com Web Development, Web Project Management, Software Sales 210-490-3249/888-745-7603 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cf
RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?)
I hear you, Adrocknaphobia... there really isn't a "perfect" forum system out there. (I've been running online forums for several years, most recently for a large non-profit website...) That said, PhpBB comes pretty darn close... and it's because of the reasons you describe. A large developer community contributing code, mods, new themes, and doing code peer review, etc... has created some excellent results. The result is a top-knotch OpenSource project with the extended feature set one might demand from such a project. So... here's my question... Why bother to compete? If all you're looking for is a top knotch opensource forum, why not dive in and contribute to PhpBB? It's a pretty remarkable little project, and certainly worth checking out. Don't get me wrong -- I think CF could really use a high quality OS forum system. I know we'd use it if we could migrate from Fusetalk. I mean, fusetalk is cool and all, but I had to hack the heck out of it to get it to do what we wanted and now any kind of upgrade path is somewhat dubious to say the least, given all the little changes we made. I'd contribute code the code that I changed to fusetalk, I guess, but the motivation to improve somebody else's commercial products in a way that doesn't benefit me (or the community as a whole) at all isn't all that strong. Obviously, with CF, it's not that hard to build a mediocre forum system. But building a great one... well, that's another story altogether. If someone does dive into this, let us know -- I might be interested in helping out a bit as well if it's the right project. -- jon -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 2:10 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) Yeah, I think we have two different philosophies on open-source. I'd write open-source for the need of building the perfect application utilizing multiple developer perspectives. (To save from the headaches of rewriting everyone else's) Quite frankly, the 'perfect BBS app' has yet to be written. And I'm surprised. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message----- From: jon roig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 10:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) I've open sourced small things in CF, but as for Open Sourcing a big project... why on earth would I want to do that on a platform that is inherently not free? As much as I like CF and working in it -- I do make a living from it -- I'd much rather do my open source programming in a language that presents no $$$ barrier to adoption, a platform that anyone on earth can use, regardless of financial backing. (I created OpenRealty -- http://jonroig.com/freecode/openrealty in PHP, for instance, and it's being used by hundreds of sites...) I'm not one of those little Stallman groupies either... and that's also not to say there aren't little pockets of OS CF stuff developing. I mean, look at CFLIB.org and how helpful that has been to the community. -- jon - jon roig senior manager, online production epilepsy foundation phone: 215.850.0710 site: http://www.epilepsyfoundation.org email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 11:47 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) Chris, I've dealt with UBB, fuseTalk, ezBoard, and the old Allaire Forums. If I can say anything on the subject, it's that NO ONE has gotten it right (especially on the database end). Mike D said a year ago he was going to re-write the old Allaire Forums and eventually open source it. Which, stop me if I'm wrong, is what is being used on houseoffusion.com? But I think I missed the part where he open sourced it. Last I checked in June at cfFun, he said he was still working on it. I for one would really like to work an open-source bbs project. I think there is a pretty high demand for a sturdy open source board, which can be customized at the will of the programmer. I've thrown around the open-source idea with a bunch of people but found our selves intimidated by the legal requirements. You know we have a really great community here, but I can't tell you of ANY cold fusion open-source projects. Is open source cold fusion a pipe dream? Would anyone else be interested in contributing? Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Chris Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Cold Fusion forum Howdy Michael, Thursday,
RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?)
That would be the exact impetus for releasing the (already open-source) SMB forum into a multi-developer environment (ie, sourceforge)... Any takers? > Yeah, I think we have two different philosophies on open-source. > I'd write open-source for the need of building the perfect application > utilizing multiple developer perspectives. (To save from the headaches > of rewriting everyone else's) Quite frankly, the 'perfect BBS app' has > yet to be written. And I'm surprised. > > Adam Wayne Lehman > Web Systems Developer > Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health > Distance Education Division > > > -Original Message- > From: jon roig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 10:35 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) > > I've open sourced small things in CF, but as for Open Sourcing a big > project... why on earth would I want to do that on a platform that is > inherently not free? > > As much as I like CF and working in it -- I do make a living from it -- > I'd > much rather do my open source programming in a language that presents no > $$$ > barrier to adoption, a platform that anyone on earth can use, regardless > of > financial backing. (I created OpenRealty -- > http://jonroig.com/freecode/openrealty in PHP, for instance, and it's > being > used by hundreds of sites...) > > I'm not one of those little Stallman groupies either... and that's also > not > to say there aren't little pockets of OS CF stuff developing. I mean, > look > at CFLIB.org and how helpful that has been to the community. > > -- jon > > - > jon roig > senior manager, online production > epilepsy foundation > phone: 215.850.0710 > site: http://www.epilepsyfoundation.org > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -Original Message- > From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 11:47 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) > > > Chris, > > I've dealt with UBB, fuseTalk, ezBoard, and the old Allaire Forums. If I > can say anything on the subject, it's that NO ONE has gotten it right > (especially on the database end). > > Mike D said a year ago he was going to re-write the old Allaire Forums > and eventually open source it. Which, stop me if I'm wrong, is what is > being used on houseoffusion.com? But I think I missed the part where he > open sourced it. Last I checked in June at cfFun, he said he was still > working on it. > > I for one would really like to work an open-source bbs project. I think > there is a pretty high demand for a sturdy open source board, which can > be customized at the will of the programmer. I've thrown around the > open-source idea with a bunch of people but found our selves intimidated > by the legal requirements. > > You know we have a really great community here, but I can't tell you of > ANY cold fusion open-source projects. Is open source cold fusion a pipe > dream? Would anyone else be interested in contributing? > > Adam Wayne Lehman > Web Systems Developer > Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health > Distance Education Division > > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:58 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Cold Fusion forum > > Howdy Michael, > > Thursday, December 19, 2002, 7:54:13 PM, Michael T. Tangorre wrote: > > > I am attempting to to try some more advanced things with an idea I > > have. I am going to be building an online forum to tinker with.. can > > anyone point me to some database examples? The code side is what I am > > going to be playing with but need a good architecture to use.. anyone > > know of one I can download? > > I didn't see a reply to this yet, so I'll offer one to consider: > http://sourceforge.net/projects/fbopenforums/ > > It uses Fusebox, but you might be able to get something useful out of > it. > > If you are wanting to explore how the database would be structured for a > forums app, you might want to research hierarchical database design, > parent-child relationships, or using recursion with your database. > > This page is an example of doing recursive joins for a forum: > http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/webtech/sqlguru/q120899-1.shtml > with a follow-up here: > http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/webtech/sqlguru/q121799-1.shtml > > Another post about threaded discussion forums database design: > http://www.sqlteam.com/item.asp?ItemID=1353 > with a follow-up here: > http://www.sqltea
RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?)
I feel like I'm talking to empty air. ;p Who's up for turning SMB into the phpBB (which I use to great success on is300.net) of CF forums? > I hear you, Adrocknaphobia... there really isn't a "perfect" forum system > out there. (I've been running online forums for several years, most recently > for a large non-profit website...) > > That said, PhpBB comes pretty darn close... and it's because of the reasons > you describe. A large developer community contributing code, mods, new > themes, and doing code peer review, etc... has created some excellent > results. The result is a top-knotch OpenSource project with the extended > feature set one might demand from such a project. > > So... here's my question... Why bother to compete? If all you're looking for > is a top knotch opensource forum, why not dive in and contribute to PhpBB? > It's a pretty remarkable little project, and certainly worth checking out. > > Don't get me wrong -- I think CF could really use a high quality OS forum > system. I know we'd use it if we could migrate from Fusetalk. I mean, > fusetalk is cool and all, but I had to hack the heck out of it to get it to > do what we wanted and now any kind of upgrade path is somewhat dubious > to say the least, given all the little changes we made. I'd contribute code > the code that I changed to fusetalk, I guess, but the motivation to improve > somebody else's commercial products in a way that doesn't benefit me (or the > community as a whole) at all isn't all that strong. > > Obviously, with CF, it's not that hard to build a mediocre forum system. But > building a great one... well, that's another story altogether. If someone > does dive into this, let us know -- I might be interested in helping out a > bit as well if it's the right project. > > -- jon > > -Original Message- > From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 2:10 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) > > > Yeah, I think we have two different philosophies on open-source. > I'd write open-source for the need of building the perfect application > utilizing multiple developer perspectives. (To save from the headaches > of rewriting everyone else's) Quite frankly, the 'perfect BBS app' has > yet to be written. And I'm surprised. > > Adam Wayne Lehman > Web Systems Developer > Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health > Distance Education Division > > > -Original Message- > From: jon roig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 10:35 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) > > I've open sourced small things in CF, but as for Open Sourcing a big > project... why on earth would I want to do that on a platform that is > inherently not free? > > As much as I like CF and working in it -- I do make a living from it -- > I'd > much rather do my open source programming in a language that presents no > $$$ > barrier to adoption, a platform that anyone on earth can use, regardless > of > financial backing. (I created OpenRealty -- > http://jonroig.com/freecode/openrealty in PHP, for instance, and it's > being > used by hundreds of sites...) > > I'm not one of those little Stallman groupies either... and that's also > not > to say there aren't little pockets of OS CF stuff developing. I mean, > look > at CFLIB.org and how helpful that has been to the community. > > -- jon > > - > jon roig > senior manager, online production > epilepsy foundation > phone: 215.850.0710 > site: http://www.epilepsyfoundation.org > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -Original Message- > From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 11:47 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) > > > Chris, > > I've dealt with UBB, fuseTalk, ezBoard, and the old Allaire Forums. If I > can say anything on the subject, it's that NO ONE has gotten it right > (especially on the database end). > > Mike D said a year ago he was going to re-write the old Allaire Forums > and eventually open source it. Which, stop me if I'm wrong, is what is > being used on houseoffusion.com? But I think I missed the part where he > open sourced it. Last I checked in June at cfFun, he said he was still > working on it. > > I for one would really like to work an open-source bbs project. I think > there is a pretty high demand for a sturdy open source board, which can > be customized
Re: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?)
I am.. - Original Message - From: "Tony Schreiber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 2:38 PM Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) > I feel like I'm talking to empty air. ;p > > Who's up for turning SMB into the phpBB (which I use to great > success on is300.net) of CF forums? > > > I hear you, Adrocknaphobia... there really isn't a "perfect" forum system > > out there. (I've been running online forums for several years, most recently > > for a large non-profit website...) > > > > That said, PhpBB comes pretty darn close... and it's because of the reasons > > you describe. A large developer community contributing code, mods, new > > themes, and doing code peer review, etc... has created some excellent > > results. The result is a top-knotch OpenSource project with the extended > > feature set one might demand from such a project. > > > > So... here's my question... Why bother to compete? If all you're looking for > > is a top knotch opensource forum, why not dive in and contribute to PhpBB? > > It's a pretty remarkable little project, and certainly worth checking out. > > > > Don't get me wrong -- I think CF could really use a high quality OS forum > > system. I know we'd use it if we could migrate from Fusetalk. I mean, > > fusetalk is cool and all, but I had to hack the heck out of it to get it to > > do what we wanted and now any kind of upgrade path is somewhat dubious > > to say the least, given all the little changes we made. I'd contribute code > > the code that I changed to fusetalk, I guess, but the motivation to improve > > somebody else's commercial products in a way that doesn't benefit me (or the > > community as a whole) at all isn't all that strong. > > > > Obviously, with CF, it's not that hard to build a mediocre forum system. But > > building a great one... well, that's another story altogether. If someone > > does dive into this, let us know -- I might be interested in helping out a > > bit as well if it's the right project. > > > > -- jon > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 2:10 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) > > > > > > Yeah, I think we have two different philosophies on open-source. > > I'd write open-source for the need of building the perfect application > > utilizing multiple developer perspectives. (To save from the headaches > > of rewriting everyone else's) Quite frankly, the 'perfect BBS app' has > > yet to be written. And I'm surprised. > > > > Adam Wayne Lehman > > Web Systems Developer > > Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health > > Distance Education Division > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: jon roig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 10:35 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) > > > > I've open sourced small things in CF, but as for Open Sourcing a big > > project... why on earth would I want to do that on a platform that is > > inherently not free? > > > > As much as I like CF and working in it -- I do make a living from it -- > > I'd > > much rather do my open source programming in a language that presents no > > $$$ > > barrier to adoption, a platform that anyone on earth can use, regardless > > of > > financial backing. (I created OpenRealty -- > > http://jonroig.com/freecode/openrealty in PHP, for instance, and it's > > being > > used by hundreds of sites...) > > > > I'm not one of those little Stallman groupies either... and that's also > > not > > to say there aren't little pockets of OS CF stuff developing. I mean, > > look > > at CFLIB.org and how helpful that has been to the community. > > > > -- jon > > > > - > > jon roig > > senior manager, online production > > epilepsy foundation > > phone: 215.850.0710 > > site: http://www.epilepsyfoundation.org > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 11:47 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) > > > > > > Chris, >
RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?)
Sounds like a hoot Rob "The television has put a thought into your head like a Barry Manilow jingle... It doesn't make you care it's not designed to make you care they're betting you wont care." - NOFX The Decline -Original Message- From: Tony Schreiber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 12:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) That would be the exact impetus for releasing the (already open-source) SMB forum into a multi-developer environment (ie, sourceforge)... Any takers? > Yeah, I think we have two different philosophies on open-source. > I'd write open-source for the need of building the perfect application > utilizing multiple developer perspectives. (To save from the headaches > of rewriting everyone else's) Quite frankly, the 'perfect BBS app' has > yet to be written. And I'm surprised. > > Adam Wayne Lehman > Web Systems Developer > Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health > Distance Education Division > > > -Original Message- > From: jon roig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 10:35 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) > > I've open sourced small things in CF, but as for Open Sourcing a big > project... why on earth would I want to do that on a platform that is > inherently not free? > > As much as I like CF and working in it -- I do make a living from it -- > I'd > much rather do my open source programming in a language that presents no > $$$ > barrier to adoption, a platform that anyone on earth can use, regardless > of > financial backing. (I created OpenRealty -- > http://jonroig.com/freecode/openrealty in PHP, for instance, and it's > being > used by hundreds of sites...) > > I'm not one of those little Stallman groupies either... and that's also > not > to say there aren't little pockets of OS CF stuff developing. I mean, > look > at CFLIB.org and how helpful that has been to the community. > > -- jon > > - > jon roig > senior manager, online production > epilepsy foundation > phone: 215.850.0710 > site: http://www.epilepsyfoundation.org > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -Original Message- > From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 11:47 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) > > > Chris, > > I've dealt with UBB, fuseTalk, ezBoard, and the old Allaire Forums. If I > can say anything on the subject, it's that NO ONE has gotten it right > (especially on the database end). > > Mike D said a year ago he was going to re-write the old Allaire Forums > and eventually open source it. Which, stop me if I'm wrong, is what is > being used on houseoffusion.com? But I think I missed the part where he > open sourced it. Last I checked in June at cfFun, he said he was still > working on it. > > I for one would really like to work an open-source bbs project. I think > there is a pretty high demand for a sturdy open source board, which can > be customized at the will of the programmer. I've thrown around the > open-source idea with a bunch of people but found our selves intimidated > by the legal requirements. > > You know we have a really great community here, but I can't tell you of > ANY cold fusion open-source projects. Is open source cold fusion a pipe > dream? Would anyone else be interested in contributing? > > Adam Wayne Lehman > Web Systems Developer > Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health > Distance Education Division > > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:58 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Cold Fusion forum > > Howdy Michael, > > Thursday, December 19, 2002, 7:54:13 PM, Michael T. Tangorre wrote: > > > I am attempting to to try some more advanced things with an idea I > > have. I am going to be building an online forum to tinker with.. can > > anyone point me to some database examples? The code side is what I am > > going to be playing with but need a good architecture to use.. anyone > > know of one I can download? > > I didn't see a reply to this yet, so I'll offer one to consider: > http://sourceforge.net/projects/fbopenforums/ > > It uses Fusebox, but you might be able to get something useful out of > it. > > If you are wanting to explore how the database would be structured for a > forums app, you might want to research hierarchical database design, > parent-child relationships, or using recursion with yo
RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?)
Sure... I'm down. Let me know how I can help... -- jon -Original Message- From: Tony Schreiber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 3:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) I feel like I'm talking to empty air. ;p Who's up for turning SMB into the phpBB (which I use to great success on is300.net) of CF forums? > I hear you, Adrocknaphobia... there really isn't a "perfect" forum system > out there. (I've been running online forums for several years, most recently > for a large non-profit website...) > > That said, PhpBB comes pretty darn close... and it's because of the reasons > you describe. A large developer community contributing code, mods, new > themes, and doing code peer review, etc... has created some excellent > results. The result is a top-knotch OpenSource project with the extended > feature set one might demand from such a project. > > So... here's my question... Why bother to compete? If all you're looking for > is a top knotch opensource forum, why not dive in and contribute to PhpBB? > It's a pretty remarkable little project, and certainly worth checking out. > > Don't get me wrong -- I think CF could really use a high quality OS forum > system. I know we'd use it if we could migrate from Fusetalk. I mean, > fusetalk is cool and all, but I had to hack the heck out of it to get it to > do what we wanted and now any kind of upgrade path is somewhat dubious > to say the least, given all the little changes we made. I'd contribute code > the code that I changed to fusetalk, I guess, but the motivation to improve > somebody else's commercial products in a way that doesn't benefit me (or the > community as a whole) at all isn't all that strong. > > Obviously, with CF, it's not that hard to build a mediocre forum system. But > building a great one... well, that's another story altogether. If someone > does dive into this, let us know -- I might be interested in helping out a > bit as well if it's the right project. > > -- jon > > -Original Message- > From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 2:10 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) > > > Yeah, I think we have two different philosophies on open-source. > I'd write open-source for the need of building the perfect application > utilizing multiple developer perspectives. (To save from the headaches > of rewriting everyone else's) Quite frankly, the 'perfect BBS app' has > yet to be written. And I'm surprised. > > Adam Wayne Lehman > Web Systems Developer > Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health > Distance Education Division > > > -Original Message- > From: jon roig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 10:35 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) > > I've open sourced small things in CF, but as for Open Sourcing a big > project... why on earth would I want to do that on a platform that is > inherently not free? > > As much as I like CF and working in it -- I do make a living from it -- > I'd > much rather do my open source programming in a language that presents no > $$$ > barrier to adoption, a platform that anyone on earth can use, regardless > of > financial backing. (I created OpenRealty -- > http://jonroig.com/freecode/openrealty in PHP, for instance, and it's > being > used by hundreds of sites...) > > I'm not one of those little Stallman groupies either... and that's also > not > to say there aren't little pockets of OS CF stuff developing. I mean, > look > at CFLIB.org and how helpful that has been to the community. > > -- jon > > - > jon roig > senior manager, online production > epilepsy foundation > phone: 215.850.0710 > site: http://www.epilepsyfoundation.org > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -Original Message- > From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 11:47 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) > > > Chris, > > I've dealt with UBB, fuseTalk, ezBoard, and the old Allaire Forums. If I > can say anything on the subject, it's that NO ONE has gotten it right > (especially on the database end). > > Mike D said a year ago he was going to re-write the old Allaire Forums > and eventually open source it. Which, stop me if I'm wrong, is what is > being used on houseoffusion.com? But I think I missed the part where he > open sourced it. Last I chec
RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?)
Don't get me started on FuseTalk. I foolishly thought my BBS woes were over when we moved from Allaire Forums to FuseTalk, but I must say they have increased. I can't believe they built Community without global users. Rule 1 of a good BBS, the admins and users should be able to log into all the different Forums without needing a unique username for each! A lot of their marketing was misleading and I feel like we got suckered. I've spent so much time rewriting their code that any subsequent service packs will most likely but more of a pain in the ass than its worth I totally forgot to mention phpBB as I agree. I would rate it as the best BBS out there from a user's perspective (I haven't the chance to see the code). But alas we are only running win2k servers. Our IS department being the stereotypical MCSEs would have a proverbial 'shit-fit' if we had them do NEthing with perl/unix. I'm starting to agree with you more on the light that a BBS written in CF would be outperformed with an identical architecture in JSP or Perl. On a similar note, is there such thing as a version tracking application? Like take fusetalk for example. I try to document every single change I've made. So when service packs or upgrades come out, I can make sure not to lose any of my changes. Right now I just write it out by hand, but I can see the usefulness of a small database app so I could search for a specific file and see all the changes I've made during certain timespans. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: jon roig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 3:12 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) I hear you, Adrocknaphobia... there really isn't a "perfect" forum system out there. (I've been running online forums for several years, most recently for a large non-profit website...) That said, PhpBB comes pretty darn close... and it's because of the reasons you describe. A large developer community contributing code, mods, new themes, and doing code peer review, etc... has created some excellent results. The result is a top-knotch OpenSource project with the extended feature set one might demand from such a project. So... here's my question... Why bother to compete? If all you're looking for is a top knotch opensource forum, why not dive in and contribute to PhpBB? It's a pretty remarkable little project, and certainly worth checking out. Don't get me wrong -- I think CF could really use a high quality OS forum system. I know we'd use it if we could migrate from Fusetalk. I mean, fusetalk is cool and all, but I had to hack the heck out of it to get it to do what we wanted and now any kind of upgrade path is somewhat dubious to say the least, given all the little changes we made. I'd contribute code the code that I changed to fusetalk, I guess, but the motivation to improve somebody else's commercial products in a way that doesn't benefit me (or the community as a whole) at all isn't all that strong. Obviously, with CF, it's not that hard to build a mediocre forum system. But building a great one... well, that's another story altogether. If someone does dive into this, let us know -- I might be interested in helping out a bit as well if it's the right project. -- jon -Original Message----- From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 2:10 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) Yeah, I think we have two different philosophies on open-source. I'd write open-source for the need of building the perfect application utilizing multiple developer perspectives. (To save from the headaches of rewriting everyone else's) Quite frankly, the 'perfect BBS app' has yet to be written. And I'm surprised. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: jon roig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 10:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) I've open sourced small things in CF, but as for Open Sourcing a big project... why on earth would I want to do that on a platform that is inherently not free? As much as I like CF and working in it -- I do make a living from it -- I'd much rather do my open source programming in a language that presents no $$$ barrier to adoption, a platform that anyone on earth can use, regardless of financial backing. (I created OpenRealty -- http://jonroig.com/freecode/openrealty in PHP, for instance, and it's being used by hundreds of sites...) I'm not one of those little Stallman groupies either... and that's also not to say there aren't
RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?)
I'm down too (coding). My girl would most likely be interested as well. She does usability and design. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: jon roig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 4:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) Sure... I'm down. Let me know how I can help... -- jon -Original Message- From: Tony Schreiber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 3:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) I feel like I'm talking to empty air. ;p Who's up for turning SMB into the phpBB (which I use to great success on is300.net) of CF forums? > I hear you, Adrocknaphobia... there really isn't a "perfect" forum system > out there. (I've been running online forums for several years, most recently > for a large non-profit website...) > > That said, PhpBB comes pretty darn close... and it's because of the reasons > you describe. A large developer community contributing code, mods, new > themes, and doing code peer review, etc... has created some excellent > results. The result is a top-knotch OpenSource project with the extended > feature set one might demand from such a project. > > So... here's my question... Why bother to compete? If all you're looking for > is a top knotch opensource forum, why not dive in and contribute to PhpBB? > It's a pretty remarkable little project, and certainly worth checking out. > > Don't get me wrong -- I think CF could really use a high quality OS forum > system. I know we'd use it if we could migrate from Fusetalk. I mean, > fusetalk is cool and all, but I had to hack the heck out of it to get it to > do what we wanted and now any kind of upgrade path is somewhat dubious > to say the least, given all the little changes we made. I'd contribute code > the code that I changed to fusetalk, I guess, but the motivation to improve > somebody else's commercial products in a way that doesn't benefit me (or the > community as a whole) at all isn't all that strong. > > Obviously, with CF, it's not that hard to build a mediocre forum system. But > building a great one... well, that's another story altogether. If someone > does dive into this, let us know -- I might be interested in helping out a > bit as well if it's the right project. > > -- jon > > -Original Message- > From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 2:10 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) > > > Yeah, I think we have two different philosophies on open-source. > I'd write open-source for the need of building the perfect application > utilizing multiple developer perspectives. (To save from the headaches > of rewriting everyone else's) Quite frankly, the 'perfect BBS app' has > yet to be written. And I'm surprised. > > Adam Wayne Lehman > Web Systems Developer > Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health > Distance Education Division > > > -Original Message- > From: jon roig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 10:35 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) > > I've open sourced small things in CF, but as for Open Sourcing a big > project... why on earth would I want to do that on a platform that is > inherently not free? > > As much as I like CF and working in it -- I do make a living from it -- > I'd > much rather do my open source programming in a language that presents no > $$$ > barrier to adoption, a platform that anyone on earth can use, regardless > of > financial backing. (I created OpenRealty -- > http://jonroig.com/freecode/openrealty in PHP, for instance, and it's > being > used by hundreds of sites...) > > I'm not one of those little Stallman groupies either... and that's also > not > to say there aren't little pockets of OS CF stuff developing. I mean, > look > at CFLIB.org and how helpful that has been to the community. > > -- jon > > - > jon roig > senior manager, online production > epilepsy foundation > phone: 215.850.0710 > site: http://www.epilepsyfoundation.org > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -Original Message- > From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 11:47 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) > > > Chris, > > I've dealt with UBB, fuseTalk, ezBoard, and the old Allaire For
Re: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?)
I can think of one good reason...Some hosts do not support PHP. Cutter jon roig wrote: >I hear you, Adrocknaphobia... there really isn't a "perfect" forum system >out there. (I've been running online forums for several years, most recently >for a large non-profit website...) > >That said, PhpBB comes pretty darn close... and it's because of the reasons >you describe. A large developer community contributing code, mods, new >themes, and doing code peer review, etc... has created some excellent >results. The result is a top-knotch OpenSource project with the extended >feature set one might demand from such a project. > >So... here's my question... Why bother to compete? If all you're looking for >is a top knotch opensource forum, why not dive in and contribute to PhpBB? >It's a pretty remarkable little project, and certainly worth checking out. > >Don't get me wrong -- I think CF could really use a high quality OS forum >system. I know we'd use it if we could migrate from Fusetalk. I mean, >fusetalk is cool and all, but I had to hack the heck out of it to get it to >do what we wanted and now any kind of upgrade path is somewhat dubious >to say the least, given all the little changes we made. I'd contribute code >the code that I changed to fusetalk, I guess, but the motivation to improve >somebody else's commercial products in a way that doesn't benefit me (or the >community as a whole) at all isn't all that strong. > >Obviously, with CF, it's not that hard to build a mediocre forum system. But >building a great one... well, that's another story altogether. If someone >does dive into this, let us know -- I might be interested in helping out a >bit as well if it's the right project. > > -- jon > >-Original Message- >From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 2:10 PM >To: CF-Talk >Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) > > >Yeah, I think we have two different philosophies on open-source. >I'd write open-source for the need of building the perfect application >utilizing multiple developer perspectives. (To save from the headaches >of rewriting everyone else's) Quite frankly, the 'perfect BBS app' has >yet to be written. And I'm surprised. > >Adam Wayne Lehman >Web Systems Developer >Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health >Distance Education Division > > >-Original Message- >From: jon roig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 10:35 AM >To: CF-Talk >Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) > >I've open sourced small things in CF, but as for Open Sourcing a big >project... why on earth would I want to do that on a platform that is >inherently not free? > >As much as I like CF and working in it -- I do make a living from it -- >I'd >much rather do my open source programming in a language that presents no >$$$ >barrier to adoption, a platform that anyone on earth can use, regardless >of >financial backing. (I created OpenRealty -- >http://jonroig.com/freecode/openrealty in PHP, for instance, and it's >being >used by hundreds of sites...) > >I'm not one of those little Stallman groupies either... and that's also >not >to say there aren't little pockets of OS CF stuff developing. I mean, >look >at CFLIB.org and how helpful that has been to the community. > > -- jon > >- >jon roig >senior manager, online production >epilepsy foundation >phone: 215.850.0710 >site: http://www.epilepsyfoundation.org >email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >-Original Message- >From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 11:47 AM >To: CF-Talk >Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) > > >Chris, > >I've dealt with UBB, fuseTalk, ezBoard, and the old Allaire Forums. If I >can say anything on the subject, it's that NO ONE has gotten it right >(especially on the database end). > >Mike D said a year ago he was going to re-write the old Allaire Forums >and eventually open source it. Which, stop me if I'm wrong, is what is >being used on houseoffusion.com? But I think I missed the part where he >open sourced it. Last I checked in June at cfFun, he said he was still >working on it. > >I for one would really like to work an open-source bbs project. I think >there is a pretty high demand for a sturdy open source board, which can >be customized at the will of the programmer. I've thrown around the >open-source idea with a bunch of people but found our selves intimidated >by the lega
RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?)
Not too many, these days... and compared to the # of hosts that support CF? -- jon -Original Message- From: Cutter (CF_Talk) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 9:44 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) I can think of one good reason...Some hosts do not support PHP. Cutter jon roig wrote: >I hear you, Adrocknaphobia... there really isn't a "perfect" forum system >out there. (I've been running online forums for several years, most recently >for a large non-profit website...) > >That said, PhpBB comes pretty darn close... and it's because of the reasons >you describe. A large developer community contributing code, mods, new >themes, and doing code peer review, etc... has created some excellent >results. The result is a top-knotch OpenSource project with the extended >feature set one might demand from such a project. > >So... here's my question... Why bother to compete? If all you're looking for >is a top knotch opensource forum, why not dive in and contribute to PhpBB? >It's a pretty remarkable little project, and certainly worth checking out. > >Don't get me wrong -- I think CF could really use a high quality OS forum >system. I know we'd use it if we could migrate from Fusetalk. I mean, >fusetalk is cool and all, but I had to hack the heck out of it to get it to >do what we wanted and now any kind of upgrade path is somewhat dubious >to say the least, given all the little changes we made. I'd contribute code >the code that I changed to fusetalk, I guess, but the motivation to improve >somebody else's commercial products in a way that doesn't benefit me (or the >community as a whole) at all isn't all that strong. > >Obviously, with CF, it's not that hard to build a mediocre forum system. But >building a great one... well, that's another story altogether. If someone >does dive into this, let us know -- I might be interested in helping out a >bit as well if it's the right project. > > -- jon > >-Original Message- >From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 2:10 PM >To: CF-Talk >Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) > > >Yeah, I think we have two different philosophies on open-source. >I'd write open-source for the need of building the perfect application >utilizing multiple developer perspectives. (To save from the headaches >of rewriting everyone else's) Quite frankly, the 'perfect BBS app' has >yet to be written. And I'm surprised. > >Adam Wayne Lehman >Web Systems Developer >Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health >Distance Education Division > > >-Original Message- >From: jon roig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 10:35 AM >To: CF-Talk >Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) > >I've open sourced small things in CF, but as for Open Sourcing a big >project... why on earth would I want to do that on a platform that is >inherently not free? > >As much as I like CF and working in it -- I do make a living from it -- >I'd >much rather do my open source programming in a language that presents no >$$$ >barrier to adoption, a platform that anyone on earth can use, regardless >of >financial backing. (I created OpenRealty -- >http://jonroig.com/freecode/openrealty in PHP, for instance, and it's >being >used by hundreds of sites...) > >I'm not one of those little Stallman groupies either... and that's also >not >to say there aren't little pockets of OS CF stuff developing. I mean, >look >at CFLIB.org and how helpful that has been to the community. > > -- jon > >- >jon roig >senior manager, online production >epilepsy foundation >phone: 215.850.0710 >site: http://www.epilepsyfoundation.org >email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >-Original Message- >From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 11:47 AM >To: CF-Talk >Subject: RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) > > >Chris, > >I've dealt with UBB, fuseTalk, ezBoard, and the old Allaire Forums. If I >can say anything on the subject, it's that NO ONE has gotten it right >(especially on the database end). > >Mike D said a year ago he was going to re-write the old Allaire Forums >and eventually open source it. Which, stop me if I'm wrong, is what is >being used on houseoffusion.com? But I think I missed the part where he >open sourced it. Last I checked in June at cfFun, he said he was still >working on it. > >I for one would really like to work an open
RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?)
That's awesome Mike. I'll gladly give you 15+ hours a week. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 8:55 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) I'm going to talk to a company (who'll be named later) today about writing a solid, open source forums package for them. Why would they fund this? For publicity. A strong, free product that comes from them will make people notice them more and support the community at the same time. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
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> -Original Message- > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 8:55 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?) > > > I'm going to talk to a company (who'll be named later) today > about writing a solid, open source forums package for them. > Why would they fund this? For publicity. A strong, free > product that comes from them will make people notice them > more and support the community at the same time. "who'll be named later"? Why that's an odd name for a company... ;^) Can we have a pool for who it may be? Jim Davis ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
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I'm down as well. I use SMB on one of my sites now and have only had minor issues with it. I could look into the email functionality (notifying a user by email when someone has responded to their topic) or is that already there and I'm just not seeing it? Anyway, I'll help in any way I can. Candace K. Cottrell, Web Developer The Children's Medical Center One Children's Plaza Dayton, OH 45404 937-641-4293 http://www.childrensdayton.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/26/2002 10:37:03 AM >>> I'd be willing to open SMB to other developers... http://www.simplemessageboard.com/ > I've dealt with UBB, fuseTalk, ezBoard, and the old Allaire Forums. If I > can say anything on the subject, it's that NO ONE has gotten it right > (especially on the database end). > > Mike D said a year ago he was going to re-write the old Allaire Forums > and eventually open source it. Which, stop me if I'm wrong, is what is > being used on houseoffusion.com? But I think I missed the part where he > open sourced it. Last I checked in June at cfFun, he said he was still > working on it. > > I for one would really like to work an open-source bbs project. I think > there is a pretty high demand for a sturdy open source board, which can > be customized at the will of the programmer. I've thrown around the > open-source idea with a bunch of people but found our selves intimidated > by the legal requirements. > > You know we have a really great community here, but I can't tell you of > ANY cold fusion open-source projects. Is open source cold fusion a pipe > dream? Would anyone else be interested in contributing? > > Adam Wayne Lehman > Web Systems Developer > Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health > Distance Education Division > > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:58 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Cold Fusion forum > > Howdy Michael, > > Thursday, December 19, 2002, 7:54:13 PM, Michael T. Tangorre wrote: > > > I am attempting to to try some more advanced things with an idea I > > have. I am going to be building an online forum to tinker with.. can > > anyone point me to some database examples? The code side is what I am > > going to be playing with but need a good architecture to use.. anyone > > know of one I can download? > > I didn't see a reply to this yet, so I'll offer one to consider: > http://sourceforge.net/projects/fbopenforums/ > > It uses Fusebox, but you might be able to get something useful out of > it. > > If you are wanting to explore how the database would be structured for a > forums app, you might want to research hierarchical database design, > parent-child relationships, or using recursion with your database. > > This page is an example of doing recursive joins for a forum: > http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/webtech/sqlguru/q120899-1.shtml > with a follow-up here: > http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/webtech/sqlguru/q121799-1.shtml > > Another post about threaded discussion forums database design: > http://www.sqlteam.com/item.asp?ItemID=1353 > with a follow-up here: > http://www.sqlteam.com/item.asp?ItemID=1602 > > Some good SQL sites to check out: > http://www.dbmsmag.com/index.shtml > http://www.codebits.com/ntm/ > http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2001/07/12/aboutSQL.html > http://www.sqlteam.com/Default.asp > http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/ > http://www.intelligententerprise.com/info_centers/database/ > http://www.databasejournal.com/ > http://www.sqlmag.com/ > > Hope that helps you somewhat. > > Happy Holidays! > > -- > Chris Montgomerymonty @ airtightweb.com > Airtight Web Services http://www.airtightweb.com > Web Development, Web Project Management, Software Sales > 210-490-3249/888-745-7603 > > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?)
Thanks Candace. Regarding, email notification - I could've sworn I added that, but a quick perusal of the current release yields nothing! Hmm. > I'm down as well. I use SMB on one of my sites now and have only had > minor issues with it. > I could look into the email functionality (notifying a user by email > when someone has responded to their topic) or is that already there and > I'm just not seeing it? Anyway, I'll help in any way I can. > > Candace K. Cottrell, Web Developer > The Children's Medical Center > One Children's Plaza > Dayton, OH 45404 > 937-641-4293 > http://www.childrensdayton.org > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/26/2002 10:37:03 AM >>> > I'd be willing to open SMB to other developers... > > http://www.simplemessageboard.com/ > > > I've dealt with UBB, fuseTalk, ezBoard, and the old Allaire Forums. > If I > > can say anything on the subject, it's that NO ONE has gotten it > right > > (especially on the database end). > > > > Mike D said a year ago he was going to re-write the old Allaire > Forums > > and eventually open source it. Which, stop me if I'm wrong, is what > is > > being used on houseoffusion.com? But I think I missed the part where > he > > open sourced it. Last I checked in June at cfFun, he said he was > still > > working on it. > > > > I for one would really like to work an open-source bbs project. I > think > > there is a pretty high demand for a sturdy open source board, which > can > > be customized at the will of the programmer. I've thrown around the > > open-source idea with a bunch of people but found our selves > intimidated > > by the legal requirements. > > > > You know we have a really great community here, but I can't tell you > of > > ANY cold fusion open-source projects. Is open source cold fusion a > pipe > > dream? Would anyone else be interested in contributing? > > > > Adam Wayne Lehman > > Web Systems Developer > > Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health > > Distance Education Division > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:58 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: Cold Fusion forum > > > > Howdy Michael, > > > > Thursday, December 19, 2002, 7:54:13 PM, Michael T. Tangorre wrote: > > > > > I am attempting to to try some more advanced things with an idea I > > > have. I am going to be building an online forum to tinker with.. > can > > > anyone point me to some database examples? The code side is what I > am > > > going to be playing with but need a good architecture to use.. > anyone > > > know of one I can download? > > > > I didn't see a reply to this yet, so I'll offer one to consider: > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/fbopenforums/ > > > > It uses Fusebox, but you might be able to get something useful out > of > > it. > > > > If you are wanting to explore how the database would be structured > for a > > forums app, you might want to research hierarchical database design, > > parent-child relationships, or using recursion with your database. > > > > This page is an example of doing recursive joins for a forum: > > http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/webtech/sqlguru/q120899-1.shtml > > with a follow-up here: > > http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/webtech/sqlguru/q121799-1.shtml > > > > Another post about threaded discussion forums database design: > > http://www.sqlteam.com/item.asp?ItemID=1353 > > with a follow-up here: > > http://www.sqlteam.com/item.asp?ItemID=1602 > > > > Some good SQL sites to check out: > > http://www.dbmsmag.com/index.shtml > > http://www.codebits.com/ntm/ > > http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2001/07/12/aboutSQL.html > > http://www.sqlteam.com/Default.asp > > http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/ > > http://www.intelligententerprise.com/info_centers/database/ > > http://www.databasejournal.com/ > > http://www.sqlmag.com/ > > > > Hope that helps you somewhat. > > > > Happy Holidays! > > > > -- > > Chris Montgomerymonty @ airtightweb.com > > Airtight Web Services http://www.airtightweb.com > > Web Development, Web Project Management, Software Sales > > 210-490-3249/888-745-7603 > > > > > > > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?)
Did I miss part of this thread or is there a call out in this list for a volunteer to make a threaded forums component into an Open Source one for all to use? If that's the case, I have one that I developed and have evolved a bit over the past couple years... It's far from perfect right now but has some great features and I know it could be cleaned up tremendously as open source... If this is the deal, let me know! At 09:00 AM 12/30/02 -0500, you wrote: >I'm down as well. I use SMB on one of my sites now and have only had >minor issues with it. >I could look into the email functionality (notifying a user by email >when someone has responded to their topic) or is that already there and >I'm just not seeing it? Anyway, I'll help in any way I can. > >Candace K. Cottrell, Web Developer >The Children's Medical Center >One Children's Plaza >Dayton, OH 45404 >937-641-4293 >http://www.childrensdayton.org > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/26/2002 10:37:03 AM >>> >I'd be willing to open SMB to other developers... > >http://www.simplemessageboard.com/ > > > I've dealt with UBB, fuseTalk, ezBoard, and the old Allaire Forums. >If I > > can say anything on the subject, it's that NO ONE has gotten it >right > > (especially on the database end). > > > > Mike D said a year ago he was going to re-write the old Allaire >Forums > > and eventually open source it. Which, stop me if I'm wrong, is what >is > > being used on houseoffusion.com? But I think I missed the part where >he > > open sourced it. Last I checked in June at cfFun, he said he was >still > > working on it. > > > > I for one would really like to work an open-source bbs project. I >think > > there is a pretty high demand for a sturdy open source board, which >can > > be customized at the will of the programmer. I've thrown around the > > open-source idea with a bunch of people but found our selves >intimidated > > by the legal requirements. > > > > You know we have a really great community here, but I can't tell you >of > > ANY cold fusion open-source projects. Is open source cold fusion a >pipe > > dream? Would anyone else be interested in contributing? > > > > Adam Wayne Lehman > > Web Systems Developer > > Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health > > Distance Education Division > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:58 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: Cold Fusion forum > > > > Howdy Michael, > > > > Thursday, December 19, 2002, 7:54:13 PM, Michael T. Tangorre wrote: > > > > > I am attempting to to try some more advanced things with an idea I > > > have. I am going to be building an online forum to tinker with.. >can > > > anyone point me to some database examples? The code side is what I >am > > > going to be playing with but need a good architecture to use.. >anyone > > > know of one I can download? > > > > I didn't see a reply to this yet, so I'll offer one to consider: > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/fbopenforums/ > > > > It uses Fusebox, but you might be able to get something useful out >of > > it. > > > > If you are wanting to explore how the database would be structured >for a > > forums app, you might want to research hierarchical database design, > > parent-child relationships, or using recursion with your database. > > > > This page is an example of doing recursive joins for a forum: > > http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/webtech/sqlguru/q120899-1.shtml > > with a follow-up here: > > http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/webtech/sqlguru/q121799-1.shtml > > > > Another post about threaded discussion forums database design: > > http://www.sqlteam.com/item.asp?ItemID=1353 > > with a follow-up here: > > http://www.sqlteam.com/item.asp?ItemID=1602 > > > > Some good SQL sites to check out: > > http://www.dbmsmag.com/index.shtml > > http://www.codebits.com/ntm/ > > http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2001/07/12/aboutSQL.html > > http://www.sqlteam.com/Default.asp > > http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/ > > http://www.intelligententerprise.com/info_centers/database/ > > http://www.databasejournal.com/ > > http://www.sqlmag.com/ > > > > Hope that helps you somewhat. > > > > Happy Holidays! > > > > -- > > Chris Montgomerymonty @ airtightweb.com > > Airtight Web Services http://www.airtightweb.com > > Web Development, Web Project Management, Software Sales > > 210-490-3249/888-745-7603 > > > > > > > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: Cold Fusion forum (OPEN SOURCE?)
There was talk of that, yes. I decided to open up development of Simple Message Board (already open source) to other developers, so I created a SourceForge project (smb) to accomplish. Just getting it setup now. > Did I miss part of this thread or is there a call out in this list for a > volunteer to make a threaded forums component into an Open Source one for > all to use? > > If that's the case, I have one that I developed and have evolved a bit > over the past couple years... It's far from perfect right now but has some > great features and I know it could be cleaned up tremendously as open > source... > > If this is the deal, let me know! > > > > At 09:00 AM 12/30/02 -0500, you wrote: > >I'm down as well. I use SMB on one of my sites now and have only had > >minor issues with it. > >I could look into the email functionality (notifying a user by email > >when someone has responded to their topic) or is that already there and > >I'm just not seeing it? Anyway, I'll help in any way I can. > > > >Candace K. Cottrell, Web Developer > >The Children's Medical Center > >One Children's Plaza > >Dayton, OH 45404 > >937-641-4293 > >http://www.childrensdayton.org > > > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/26/2002 10:37:03 AM >>> > >I'd be willing to open SMB to other developers... > > > >http://www.simplemessageboard.com/ > > > > > I've dealt with UBB, fuseTalk, ezBoard, and the old Allaire Forums. > >If I > > > can say anything on the subject, it's that NO ONE has gotten it > >right > > > (especially on the database end). > > > > > > Mike D said a year ago he was going to re-write the old Allaire > >Forums > > > and eventually open source it. Which, stop me if I'm wrong, is what > >is > > > being used on houseoffusion.com? But I think I missed the part where > >he > > > open sourced it. Last I checked in June at cfFun, he said he was > >still > > > working on it. > > > > > > I for one would really like to work an open-source bbs project. I > >think > > > there is a pretty high demand for a sturdy open source board, which > >can > > > be customized at the will of the programmer. I've thrown around the > > > open-source idea with a bunch of people but found our selves > >intimidated > > > by the legal requirements. > > > > > > You know we have a really great community here, but I can't tell you > >of > > > ANY cold fusion open-source projects. Is open source cold fusion a > >pipe > > > dream? Would anyone else be interested in contributing? > > > > > > Adam Wayne Lehman > > > Web Systems Developer > > > Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health > > > Distance Education Division > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Chris Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:58 PM > > > To: CF-Talk > > > Subject: Re: Cold Fusion forum > > > > > > Howdy Michael, > > > > > > Thursday, December 19, 2002, 7:54:13 PM, Michael T. Tangorre wrote: > > > > > > > I am attempting to to try some more advanced things with an idea I > > > > have. I am going to be building an online forum to tinker with.. > >can > > > > anyone point me to some database examples? The code side is what I > >am > > > > going to be playing with but need a good architecture to use.. > >anyone > > > > know of one I can download? > > > > > > I didn't see a reply to this yet, so I'll offer one to consider: > > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/fbopenforums/ > > > > > > It uses Fusebox, but you might be able to get something useful out > >of > > > it. > > > > > > If you are wanting to explore how the database would be structured > >for a > > > forums app, you might want to research hierarchical database design, > > > parent-child relationships, or using recursion with your database. > > > > > > This page is an example of doing recursive joins for a forum: > > > http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/webtech/sqlguru/q120899-1.shtml > > > with a follow-up here: > > > http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/webtech/sqlguru/q121799-1.shtml > > > > > > Another post about threaded discussion forums database design: > > > http://www.sqlteam.com/item.asp?ItemID=1353 > > > with a follow-up here: > > > http://www.sqlteam.com/item.asp?ItemID=1602 > > > > > > Some good SQL sites to check out: > > > http://www.dbmsmag.com/index.shtml > > > http://www.codebits.com/ntm/ > > > http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2001/07/12/aboutSQL.html > > > http://www.sqlteam.com/Default.asp > > > http://www.4guysfromrolla.com/ > > > http://www.intelligententerprise.com/info_centers/database/ > > > http://www.databasejournal.com/ > > > http://www.sqlmag.com/ > > > > > > Hope that helps you somewhat. > > > > > > Happy Holidays! > > > > > > -- > > > Chris Montgomerymonty @ airtightweb.com > > > Airtight Web Services http://www.airtightweb.com > > > Web Development, Web Project Management, Software Sales > > > 210-490-3249/888-745-7603 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~
