RE: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!!
A factor to take into account: reuse. If you code in CF you might be able to reuse snippets/tags/udf:s/cfc/circuits/fuses, which you won't be able to if you shift to alternative technology X. If you shift your whole shop to Zope/Python, then it would make sense though (future apps would reuse the code/experiences from the first app). /Hugo - Hugo Ahlenius E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Project Officer Phone:+46 8 230460 UNEP GRID-Arendal Fax: +46 8 230441 Stockholm Office Mobile: +46 733 467111 WWW: http://www.grida.no - | -Original Message- | From: brob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 18:25 | To: CF-Talk | Subject: Re: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!! | | | Not only is he non technical, but also non logical. Even if | it's true that you can build applications faster in Zope, you | still have to factor in the time it will take you/your team | to learn it and get to know the ins and outs of it. | | - Original Message - | From: Glen Salisbury | To: CF-Talk | Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 9:50 AM | Subject: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!! | | | Hey everyone. | | I've currently been asked by my boss to do a large | application in Zope. | (www.zope.org) | | We always done Coldfusion but despite the fact that he is | not technical, | he's certain that the project we are doing could be built faster in | Zope. Despite that I've already made a case that Zope | market is tiny, | (try doing a job search on it) and that none of the dev | team knows Python | (yet). | Does anyone have any pros / cons that are fact based that a | case could be | made | either way? | | Has anyone here coded in Python? If so which is faster to code in? | | Thanks for your input. | | - Glen Salisbury | Application Engineer | | | [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!!
> Thanks for the feedback everyone. Zope doesn't sound as bad as > it seems. Only issues is learning while architecting a large project. > It's true learning on company time is a big perk. Does anyone see > Python and/or Zope and professionally marketable skill? > Python, absolutely. Zope, not so much at this point. But there's a difference between the two -- Python's a programming language and the other's an object-oriented CMS written in Python, so needs for the two are going to be completely different. We do a lot of math and math modeling (using the NumPy Python module) at our company, and the speed gains we see over using MX and Oracle to do the same thing, in some cases, is improved by a magnitude of 1000% (yes, 1000%). However, it's should clearly be noted that MX and Oracle aren't designed for the type of number crunching we're doing, but nonetheless, it's impressive. Regards, Dave. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!!
WHat you are describing there could very well be done with PHP Site generators that do everything for you, whilst you just pick and choose options. If there was an application like this in CF you would have the same timetable for completion, since all the work of developing the site is more or less done for you. FOr whatever reason, however, no one has brought out a similar tool/application for COldfusion. Whilst there are several for PHP and apparently of Python. The real test will be when/if you need to customise something and have to edit the source code. -Gel -Original Message- From: Shawn Grover [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 1:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!! If it helps any, I've just started implementing Zope on my personal server, but code in CF professionally. My experience thus far is that Zope does have a lot of potential to make life easy. I've installed Plone on top of Zope, then within an hour, I had a basic web site up and running, with editing capabilities, online management of the site, and some other nifty tools thrown in like search capabilities, and and news listings. From what I've read, you can take a section of your site (like news listings) and create an RSS feed for them with a (relatively) few keystrokes/mouse clicks. To create something from scratch like this in CF would have taken at least a week or two by an experienced CF programmer (this is my own opinion). So, the 3 or 4 days I've spent figuring out the installation routines for Zope and Plone, and getting a basic feel for the tools have been well spent. Currently I'm trying to figure out how to setup the CMFVisualEditor tool for Zope to provide WYSIWYG editing of pages. Once I have this done, then I'll be diving deeper into customizing my templates. If all goes well, I'll be able to publish my sight by Monday. If I were doing this in CF, my target publish date would be a month or two down the road Oh, and btw, I haven't yet had to do any python scripting. (I face the same deal as you with regards to python - I don't know it) Don't get me wrong, I love CF and have done and seen other's do some very amazing stuff with it. But for my personal server, I've choosen the open source route, and CF doesn't play well with Gentoo Linux. My recommendation would be to at least become partially familiar with Zope, then make a judgment for your specific needs. HTH Shawn [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!!
> Thanks for the feedback everyone. Zope doesn't sound as > bad as it seems. Only issues is learning while architecting > a large project. It's true learning on company time is a > big perk. Does anyone see Python and/or Zope and > professionally marketable skill? There aren't too many people using Zope, but learning a general-purpose scripting language is a good idea if you don't already know one. Python is used in many odd places, for all sorts of projects. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!!
I haven't seen Zope... ever on Monster/HotJobs/CareerBuilder, but have seen it pop up from time to time on FlipDog. I have, however, seen Python from time to time. My friends that use Python professionally use it in a number of various situations, from 3D rendering to process automation to Java interfaces to GUI application development (with TKinter and other windowing toolkits). Just knowing Python will be a benefit - you never know what will show up. - Jim Glen Salisbury wrote: > Thanks for the feedback everyone. Zope doesn't sound as bad as > it seems. Only issues is learning while architecting a large project. > It's true learning on company time is a big perk. Does anyone see > Python and/or Zope and professionally marketable skill? > > - Glen > > From: Shawn Grover > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 1:53 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!! > > If it helps any, I've just started implementing Zope on my personal > server, > but code in CF professionally. My experience thus far is that Zope does > have a lot of potential to make life easy. I've installed Plone on > top of > Zope, then within an hour, I had a basic web site up and running, with > editing capabilities, online management of the site, and some other > nifty > tools thrown in like search capabilities, and and news listings. From > what > I've read, you can take a section of your site (like news listings) and > create an RSS feed for them with a (relatively) few keystrokes/mouse > clicks. > > To create something from scratch like this in CF would have taken at > least > a > week or two by an experienced CF programmer (this is my own > opinion). So, > the 3 or 4 days I've spent figuring out the installation routines > for Zope > and Plone, and getting a basic feel for the tools have been well spent. > Currently I'm trying to figure out how to setup the CMFVisualEditor tool > for > Zope to provide WYSIWYG editing of pages. Once I have this done, then > I'll > be diving deeper into customizing my templates. If all goes well, > I'll be > able to publish my sight by Monday. If I were doing this in CF, my > target > publish date would be a month or two down the road Oh, and btw, I > haven't yet had to do any python scripting. (I face the same deal > as you > with regards to python - I don't know it) > > Don't get me wrong, I love CF and have done and seen other's do some > very > amazing stuff with it. But for my personal server, I've choosen the > open > source route, and CF doesn't play well with Gentoo Linux. > > My recommendation would be to at least become partially familiar with > Zope, > then make a judgment for your specific needs. > > HTH > > Shawn > > -Original Message- > From: Glen Salisbury [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 8:50 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!! > > Hey everyone. > > I've currently been asked by my boss to do a large application in Zope. > (www.zope.org) > > We always done Coldfusion but despite the fact that he is not technical, > he's certain that the project we are doing could be built faster in > Zope. Despite that I've already made a case that Zope market is tiny, > (try doing a job search on it) and that none of the dev team knows > Python > (yet). > Does anyone have any pros / cons that are fact based that a case > could be > made > either way? > > Has anyone here coded in Python? If so which is faster to code in? > > Thanks for your input. > > - Glen Salisbury > Application Engineer > > _ > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!!
Just do a search on hotjobs and prepare to be blown away by the vast listings -Original Message- From: Glen Salisbury [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 2:33 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!! Thanks for the feedback everyone. Zope doesn't sound as bad as it seems. Only issues is learning while architecting a large project. It's true learning on company time is a big perk. Does anyone see Python and/or Zope and professionally marketable skill? - Glen From: Shawn Grover Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 1:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!! If it helps any, I've just started implementing Zope on my personal server, but code in CF professionally. My experience thus far is that Zope does have a lot of potential to make life easy. I've installed Plone on top of Zope, then within an hour, I had a basic web site up and running, with editing capabilities, online management of the site, and some other nifty tools thrown in like search capabilities, and and news listings. From what I've read, you can take a section of your site (like news listings) and create an RSS feed for them with a (relatively) few keystrokes/mouse clicks. To create something from scratch like this in CF would have taken at least a week or two by an experienced CF programmer (this is my own opinion). So, the 3 or 4 days I've spent figuring out the installation routines for Zope and Plone, and getting a basic feel for the tools have been well spent. Currently I'm trying to figure out how to setup the CMFVisualEditor tool for Zope to provide WYSIWYG editing of pages. Once I have this done, then I'll be diving deeper into customizing my templates. If all goes well, I'll be able to publish my sight by Monday. If I were doing this in CF, my target publish date would be a month or two down the road Oh, and btw, I haven't yet had to do any python scripting. (I face the same deal as you with regards to python - I don't know it) Don't get me wrong, I love CF and have done and seen other's do some very amazing stuff with it. But for my personal server, I've choosen the open source route, and CF doesn't play well with Gentoo Linux. My recommendation would be to at least become partially familiar with Zope, then make a judgment for your specific needs. HTH Shawn -Original Message- From: Glen Salisbury [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 8:50 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!! Hey everyone. I've currently been asked by my boss to do a large application in Zope. (www.zope.org) We always done Coldfusion but despite the fact that he is not technical, he's certain that the project we are doing could be built faster in Zope. Despite that I've already made a case that Zope market is tiny, (try doing a job search on it) and that none of the dev team knows Python (yet). Does anyone have any pros / cons that are fact based that a case could be made either way? Has anyone here coded in Python? If so which is faster to code in? Thanks for your input. - Glen Salisbury Application Engineer _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!!
Thanks for the feedback everyone. Zope doesn't sound as bad as it seems. Only issues is learning while architecting a large project. It's true learning on company time is a big perk. Does anyone see Python and/or Zope and professionally marketable skill? - Glen From: Shawn Grover Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 1:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!! If it helps any, I've just started implementing Zope on my personal server, but code in CF professionally. My experience thus far is that Zope does have a lot of potential to make life easy. I've installed Plone on top of Zope, then within an hour, I had a basic web site up and running, with editing capabilities, online management of the site, and some other nifty tools thrown in like search capabilities, and and news listings. From what I've read, you can take a section of your site (like news listings) and create an RSS feed for them with a (relatively) few keystrokes/mouse clicks. To create something from scratch like this in CF would have taken at least a week or two by an experienced CF programmer (this is my own opinion). So, the 3 or 4 days I've spent figuring out the installation routines for Zope and Plone, and getting a basic feel for the tools have been well spent. Currently I'm trying to figure out how to setup the CMFVisualEditor tool for Zope to provide WYSIWYG editing of pages. Once I have this done, then I'll be diving deeper into customizing my templates. If all goes well, I'll be able to publish my sight by Monday. If I were doing this in CF, my target publish date would be a month or two down the road Oh, and btw, I haven't yet had to do any python scripting. (I face the same deal as you with regards to python - I don't know it) Don't get me wrong, I love CF and have done and seen other's do some very amazing stuff with it. But for my personal server, I've choosen the open source route, and CF doesn't play well with Gentoo Linux. My recommendation would be to at least become partially familiar with Zope, then make a judgment for your specific needs. HTH Shawn -Original Message- From: Glen Salisbury [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 8:50 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!! Hey everyone. I've currently been asked by my boss to do a large application in Zope. (www.zope.org) We always done Coldfusion but despite the fact that he is not technical, he's certain that the project we are doing could be built faster in Zope. Despite that I've already made a case that Zope market is tiny, (try doing a job search on it) and that none of the dev team knows Python (yet). Does anyone have any pros / cons that are fact based that a case could be made either way? Has anyone here coded in Python? If so which is faster to code in? Thanks for your input. - Glen Salisbury Application Engineer _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!!
If it helps any, I've just started implementing Zope on my personal server, but code in CF professionally. My experience thus far is that Zope does have a lot of potential to make life easy. I've installed Plone on top of Zope, then within an hour, I had a basic web site up and running, with editing capabilities, online management of the site, and some other nifty tools thrown in like search capabilities, and and news listings. From what I've read, you can take a section of your site (like news listings) and create an RSS feed for them with a (relatively) few keystrokes/mouse clicks. To create something from scratch like this in CF would have taken at least a week or two by an experienced CF programmer (this is my own opinion). So, the 3 or 4 days I've spent figuring out the installation routines for Zope and Plone, and getting a basic feel for the tools have been well spent. Currently I'm trying to figure out how to setup the CMFVisualEditor tool for Zope to provide WYSIWYG editing of pages. Once I have this done, then I'll be diving deeper into customizing my templates. If all goes well, I'll be able to publish my sight by Monday. If I were doing this in CF, my target publish date would be a month or two down the road Oh, and btw, I haven't yet had to do any python scripting. (I face the same deal as you with regards to python - I don't know it) Don't get me wrong, I love CF and have done and seen other's do some very amazing stuff with it. But for my personal server, I've choosen the open source route, and CF doesn't play well with Gentoo Linux. My recommendation would be to at least become partially familiar with Zope, then make a judgment for your specific needs. HTH Shawn -Original Message- From: Glen Salisbury [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 8:50 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!! Hey everyone. I've currently been asked by my boss to do a large application in Zope. (www.zope.org) We always done Coldfusion but despite the fact that he is not technical, he's certain that the project we are doing could be built faster in Zope. Despite that I've already made a case that Zope market is tiny, (try doing a job search on it) and that none of the dev team knows Python (yet). Does anyone have any pros / cons that are fact based that a case could be made either way? Has anyone here coded in Python? If so which is faster to code in? Thanks for your input. - Glen Salisbury Application Engineer _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!!
I wasn't even a gleam in my parents eye at that point in time. ;-) Stace _ From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October 10, 2003 12:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!! >>In older programming languages, whitespace isn't important, Depends how old you're thinking. Back in 60's and 70's, THE language was FORTRAN, on punched cards; Columns 1 to 5 were for a statement label (number), column 6 was for a continuation mark, columns 7 to 71 were for a statement, and columns 72-80 were for a card sequence number, very handful when one would drop his deck of cards ;-) _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!!
If you have skills in a programming language, your next project written in said language is bound to have better programming than all your earlier projects. If you have no skills in a particular language, your first project is bound to be full of holes and other serious problems. IMHO, I would say learn python and zope now, if your boss is hell-bent on it, and use it on a project you start in a few months, when you've become more comfortable with development. (this reminds me of the time my boss wanted to switch to asp... 'if we have crappy code now, and you want to switch to another language, you'll still have crappy code, just in another language...') -nathan strutz -Original Message- From: brob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 9:25 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!! Not only is he non technical, but also non logical. Even if it's true that you can build applications faster in Zope, you still have to factor in the time it will take you/your team to learn it and get to know the ins and outs of it. - Original Message - From: Glen Salisbury To: CF-Talk Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 9:50 AM Subject: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!! Hey everyone. I've currently been asked by my boss to do a large application in Zope. (www.zope.org) We always done Coldfusion but despite the fact that he is not technical, he's certain that the project we are doing could be built faster in Zope. Despite that I've already made a case that Zope market is tiny, (try doing a job search on it) and that none of the dev team knows Python (yet). Does anyone have any pros / cons that are fact based that a case could be made either way? Has anyone here coded in Python? If so which is faster to code in? Thanks for your input. - Glen Salisbury Application Engineer [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!!
>>In older programming languages, whitespace isn't important, Depends how old you're thinking. Back in 60's and 70's, THE language was FORTRAN, on punched cards; Columns 1 to 5 were for a statement label (number), column 6 was for a continuation mark, columns 7 to 71 were for a statement, and columns 72-80 were for a card sequence number, very handful when one would drop his deck of cards ;-) [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!!
Not only is he non technical, but also non logical. Even if it's true that you can build applications faster in Zope, you still have to factor in the time it will take you/your team to learn it and get to know the ins and outs of it. - Original Message - From: Glen Salisbury To: CF-Talk Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 9:50 AM Subject: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!! Hey everyone. I've currently been asked by my boss to do a large application in Zope. (www.zope.org) We always done Coldfusion but despite the fact that he is not technical, he's certain that the project we are doing could be built faster in Zope. Despite that I've already made a case that Zope market is tiny, (try doing a job search on it) and that none of the dev team knows Python (yet). Does anyone have any pros / cons that are fact based that a case could be made either way? Has anyone here coded in Python? If so which is faster to code in? Thanks for your input. - Glen Salisbury Application Engineer [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!!
>>Basically the same thing, and I find it to be a little easier to read
without all those brackets,
It depends how you use brackets. Personally I use them as blank lines, a little like it would look in Python,
and mostly: no braket when it is not necessary.
Your piece of code would ;ook like:
int factorial(int x)
{
if (x == 0) return(1);
else return(x * factorial(x-1));
}
Much easier to read as far as I'm concerned.
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Re: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!!
>>In this day and age that seems pretty backward How about Fortran then? ;-) [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!!
> show you where code blocks begin and end. In "real" languages, like English, > we often use whitespace to provide information. well english is kind of like, well "olde" and usually no human being stops working if we misplace a space or two. i used to work in a macro language (AML used to control arc/info GIS programs) that used spaces for program meaning. it barfed on tabs. folks often used the word "sadistic" preceded by a colorful adjective and followed by "AML" in the same sentence. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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Whitespace in Python's been a contentious issue from the get-go.
Essentially, whitespace is used instead of punctuation to specify a
"block" of code (I lifted this example from Wikipedia):
def factorial(x):
if x == 0:
return 1
else:
return x * factorial(x-1)
While in C, it would be (again, from Wikipedia):
int factorial(int x) {
if (x == 0) {
return(1);
} else {
return(x * factorial(x-1));
}
}
Basically the same thing, and I find it to be a little easier to read
without all those brackets, but that's me, and I have friends who can't
stand it and prefer the obviousness of the brackets. There's more to
it, but that's basically the point behind the whitespace in Python.
-Jim
Angel Stewart wrote:
> Whitespace in the code is important?
>
>
> In this day and age that seems pretty backward :-)
>
>
> -Gel
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jim Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> :) On the internet, no one can see you laughing. That, and pretty much
> any Python IDE will keep your code nice and clean. I've made the
> mistake of writing Python in Notepad and had way too many problems with
> just that.
>
> - Jim
>
>
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>Whitespace in the code is important? > >In this day and age that seems pretty backward :-) The whitespace has to do with horizontal whitespace (tabs) predominantly. When coding and "if" statement, for example, there's no concept of curly braces to surround your code block with. You tab-indent for the entire contents of the if statement and then the compiler knows the if statement is done when you un-indent. It's a bit quirky, but it does force you to write clean formatted code, which I really like. Vertical whitespace (space between code blocks) doesn't matter in my experience. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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> Whitespace in the code is important? > > In this day and age that seems pretty backward :-) Why does it seem backward? In older programming languages, whitespace isn't important, and you need metacharacters to tell you when lines end, or to show you where code blocks begin and end. In "real" languages, like English, we often use whitespace to provide information. What I like about Python's use of whitespace is that it enforces a common rudimentary style within code; there's nothing analogous to using K&R-style curly braces versus another style. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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Whitespace in the code is important? In this day and age that seems pretty backward :-) -Gel -Original Message- From: Jim Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :) On the internet, no one can see you laughing. That, and pretty much any Python IDE will keep your code nice and clean. I've made the mistake of writing Python in Notepad and had way too many problems with just that. - Jim [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!!
> We always done Coldfusion but despite the fact that he is not > technical, he's certain that the project we are doing could be > built faster in Zope. Despite that I've already made a case > that Zope market is tiny, (try doing a job search on it) and > that none of the dev team knows Python (yet). Does anyone have > any pros / cons that are fact based that a case could be made > either way? Well, the obvious thing to say is that, no matter how easy or good it is, you'll still have to learn it first. Zope is pretty nice, though, in that it provides a useful framework for web applications. > Has anyone here coded in Python? If so which is faster to code in? I like Python, although I'm an amateur and mediocre Python programmer at best. If you don't know either language, and have no background with computers, I imagine that either language will be easy to learn and use - Python is very suitable for learning programming, while CF is very suitable for people with HTML authoring backgrounds. It's worth noting that Python is a general-purpose scripting language, while CF is designed for one thing only: web applications. In the end, though, if your manager decides to go with Python/Zope, you'll get to learn a new skill set on his dime, so there's a bright side to it. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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:) On the internet, no one can see you laughing. That, and pretty much any Python IDE will keep your code nice and clean. I've made the mistake of writing Python in Notepad and had way too many problems with just that. - Jim Paul Hastings wrote: > > the syntax and pecadilloes of Python (tabbing and whitespace are VERY > > important) it's fairly straightforward. > > ...and you say that with a straight face. > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!!
I assume you could - Whatever you write in Jython is going to be usable Java bytecode, so implementing J2ME should be quite possible. However, you might be limited in what tools you can use, since Jython is a J2SE application, and J2ME doesn't have quite the range of capabilities of J2SE (I haven't written in it before, so you should definitely investigate further). Oh, and www.jython.org :) - Jim Angel Stewart wrote: > This sounds fantastic! > Would you be able to write Java applications in Jython (I am assuming > that Python is a lot easier to write than Java code) to run on Cell > Phones? > :-) > > > Where can I get Jython? > > > err...I guess I could Google it... > > > -Gel > > -Original Message- > From: Jim Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Python is a fantastic language - it's up there with ColdFusion for > general ease-of-coding in my opinion. If you'd like a very concise and > well-written introduction, this book, Learning Python by O'Reilly > (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/lpython/) is great. > > One great thing about Python is the interactive shell - you can invoke > it from the command line and write scripts interactively without having > to do the save > compile > run thing. It's great for learning the > language, but it's even better for testing modules. > > I'm actually using Python and Coldfusion together with a tool called > Jython - an all-Java implementation of the Python language. I can > import any Java class/interface/what have you into my Jython program and > > run it as I would any other Python app. The difference, however, is > that it's compiled into Java bytecode, and is invokable inside any Java > application, like, well, ColdFusion. I've written some simple CFX tags > in Jython and am currently working on using Jython to help write a Java > app framework for CFMX to connect to. > > You can write web apps in Zope/Python - and once you're familiar with > the syntax and pecadilloes of Python (tabbing and whitespace are VERY > important) it's fairly straightforward. > > - Jim > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!!
> the syntax and pecadilloes of Python (tabbing and whitespace are VERY > important) it's fairly straightforward. ...and you say that with a straight face. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!!
If anyone is in Boston on Wednesday, Dec 13, the CEO of Zope Corporation will be presenting an overview of Zope at the Boston Linux and Unix Group at MIT. http://www.blu.org/cgi-bin/calendar/2003-dec -Original Message- From: Glen Salisbury [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 10:50 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!! Hey everyone. I've currently been asked by my boss to do a large application in Zope. (www.zope.org) We always done Coldfusion but despite the fact that he is not technical, he's certain that the project we are doing could be built faster in Zope. Despite that I've already made a case that Zope market is tiny, (try doing a job search on it) and that none of the dev team knows Python (yet). Does anyone have any pros / cons that are fact based that a case could be made either way? Has anyone here coded in Python? If so which is faster to code in? Thanks for your input. - Glen Salisbury Application Engineer _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!!
This sounds fantastic! Would you be able to write Java applications in Jython (I am assuming that Python is a lot easier to write than Java code) to run on Cell Phones? :-) Where can I get Jython? err...I guess I could Google it... -Gel -Original Message- From: Jim Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python is a fantastic language - it's up there with ColdFusion for general ease-of-coding in my opinion. If you'd like a very concise and well-written introduction, this book, Learning Python by O'Reilly (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/lpython/) is great. One great thing about Python is the interactive shell - you can invoke it from the command line and write scripts interactively without having to do the save > compile > run thing. It's great for learning the language, but it's even better for testing modules. I'm actually using Python and Coldfusion together with a tool called Jython - an all-Java implementation of the Python language. I can import any Java class/interface/what have you into my Jython program and run it as I would any other Python app. The difference, however, is that it's compiled into Java bytecode, and is invokable inside any Java application, like, well, ColdFusion. I've written some simple CFX tags in Jython and am currently working on using Jython to help write a Java app framework for CFMX to connect to. You can write web apps in Zope/Python - and once you're familiar with the syntax and pecadilloes of Python (tabbing and whitespace are VERY important) it's fairly straightforward. - Jim [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!!
Python is a fantastic language - it's up there with ColdFusion for general ease-of-coding in my opinion. If you'd like a very concise and well-written introduction, this book, Learning Python by O'Reilly (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/lpython/) is great. One great thing about Python is the interactive shell - you can invoke it from the command line and write scripts interactively without having to do the save > compile > run thing. It's great for learning the language, but it's even better for testing modules. I'm actually using Python and Coldfusion together with a tool called Jython - an all-Java implementation of the Python language. I can import any Java class/interface/what have you into my Jython program and run it as I would any other Python app. The difference, however, is that it's compiled into Java bytecode, and is invokable inside any Java application, like, well, ColdFusion. I've written some simple CFX tags in Jython and am currently working on using Jython to help write a Java app framework for CFMX to connect to. You can write web apps in Zope/Python - and once you're familiar with the syntax and pecadilloes of Python (tabbing and whitespace are VERY important) it's fairly straightforward. - Jim Glen Salisbury wrote: > Hey everyone. > > I've currently been asked by my boss to do a large application in Zope. > (www.zope.org) > > We always done Coldfusion but despite the fact that he is not technical, > he's certain that the project we are doing could be built faster in > Zope. Despite that I've already made a case that Zope market is tiny, > (try doing a job search on it) and that none of the dev team knows Python > (yet). > Does anyone have any pros / cons that are fact based that a case could be > made > either way? > > Has anyone here coded in Python? If so which is faster to code in? > > Thanks for your input. > > - Glen Salisbury > Application Engineer > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
