Re: Finding good developers
Much much better!I thought I was losing my sense of humor! Good one!LOL Ray At 12:16 AM 7/1/2004, you wrote: Ray, the entire joke follows -- it is one I told to a potential employer -- didn't get the job, but we both enjoyed the joke. Dick Have you heard the one about the girl who comes home from school and says: Daddy, what's a faux pas?They explained it in school today, but I really don't understand! Well, Honey, maybe it would be easier ifI show you an example. Do you remember a few weeks ago, the Reverend came to the house? Yes, Daddy, is that afaux pas? No Honey!But, do you remember when we we walking in the garden, the Reverend pricked a finger on a rose bush? Yes, Daddy, is that afaux pas? No Honey!But do you remember when the Reverend came to the house last Thursday,for Thanksgiving dinner?. ...Yes, Daddy, is that afaux pas? No, Honey! But, do you remember when we were sitting down to dinner, and the Reverend was about to say Grace. You said: Reverend, How's your prick? I said:Jsus Christ!' And your Mother dropped the turkey... . And that's three of 'em On Jun 30, 2004, at 3:38 PM, Ray Champagne wrote: Am I missing something or did that joke end without a punch line? At 06:35 PM 6/30/2004, you wrote: On Jun 30, 2004, at 12:35 PM, George Abraham wrote: A joke! It's people like you that I hate when I get interviewed! Though I agree it tells the interviewer a lot, so can my internet browsing cache! If you are going to be part of a team... Dick Have you heard the one about the girl who comes home from school and says: Daddy, what's a faux pas?They explained it in school today, but I really don't understand! Well, Honey, maybe it would be easier ifI show you an example. Do you remember a few weeks ago, the Reverend came to the house? Yes, Daddy, is that afaux pas? No Honey!But, do you remember when we we walking in the garden, the Reverend pricked a finger on a rose bush? Yes, Daddy, is that afaux pas? No Honey!But do you remember when the Reverend came to the house last Thursday,for Thanksgiving dinner?. . And that's three of 'em In times like these, it helps to recall that there have always been times like these. - Paul Harvey - [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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Internet job sites are definitely the way to go, especially when hiring computer programmers. As for the interview, i personally loathe the idea of giving structured tests or projects to job applicants and using the results as a basis for apptitude evaluation.A good interviewer can learn more in a 30 minute informal discussion with someone than from any test. This is especially true with Cold Fusion, who's relative ease-of-use puts a higher premium (in my opinion) on a developer's creativity, ingenuity, and overall personality. Hey, one only need to look at the characters on this list too see what I mean :) Brian - Original Message - From: B G To: CF-Talk Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 4:37 PM Subject: RE: Finding good developers Thanks all for the suggestions.In my experience, my best candidates have been those with whom I've been able to have good discussions with.My interviews are very informal.As one suggestion noted, though someone might not know what MVC stands for, if they can articulate work they've done that results in a certain method, then they probably can produce good code. On sourcing though, other than a site like Craigslist, what have been your best sources for candidates?Newspaper ads?Monster.com?Other job sites? Recruiters? From: Burns, John D [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Finding good developers Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:48:41 -0400 One final addition and then I'll shut up... I've been asked by a previous employer what I am most excited about learning or what new CF functionality am I currently playing with/learning/using that excites me.This will let you know if the person is attempting to grow and learn or if they're just someone who has been doing it for years and sometimes if they know it all.I personally value someone who is trying to learn as much as they can (and seems to retain most of it) over someone who is really good at something that is out of touch with new trends and technologies. John Burns -Original Message- From: Whittingham, P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 4:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Finding good developers If you are looking for example for a Cold Fusion developer, find years of experience in html/css/_javascript_/dhtml and Cold Fusion along with lots of sqlstored procedures. Then ask several questions from easy to hard questions on those areas, givingyour staff to help create the questions. They will at least get an idea of the potential applicate. Also, graphic tools (Photoshop/Fireworks) questions might be good also. Asking for their previous work might be hard for the applicate, since his/her work might be the property of his current employer. I've been involved on both side over the last 25 years and a 'good' developer can sometimes 'sense' a another good one. - Pat From: B G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 6/30/2004 1:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Finding good developers Not to say that this list isn't stocked with good developers! But...As my department is growing my need to find good staff is increasing. I need to find good resources for both full-time positions and temporary contract/project based openings.My experience with headhunters has been very consistent.They're pushy and they don't really care about my staffing needs as long as I place someone.Can anyone offer some advice on companies that offer staffing solutions or other similar resources? Any thoughts on this are greatly appreciated.For local info I am located in Chicago. Thanks! BG [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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It depends though.If the test is simple enough, it shouldn't be too big a deal. It just makes sure that they understand basic syntax and concepts.I have to agree though, that actual conversation will uncover a lot more about what an interviewee actually knows as long as the interviewer fully understands everything that is said--don't let the candidate get awaywith any BS. On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 08:13:51 -0500, G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Internet job sites are definitely the way to go, especially when hiring computer programmers. As for the interview, i personally loathe the idea of giving structured tests or projects to job applicants and using the results as a basis for apptitude evaluation.A good interviewer can learn more in a 30 minute informal discussion with someone than from any test. This is especially true with Cold Fusion, who's relative ease-of-use puts a higher premium (in my opinion) on a developer's creativity, ingenuity, and overall personality. Hey, one only need to look at the characters on this list too see what I mean :) Brian - Original Message - From: B G To: CF-Talk Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 4:37 PM Subject: RE: Finding good developers Thanks all for the suggestions.In my experience, my best candidates have been those with whom I've been able to have good discussions with.My interviews are very informal.As one suggestion noted, though someone might not know what MVC stands for, if they can articulate work they've done that results in a certain method, then they probably can produce good code. On sourcing though, other than a site like Craigslist, what have been your best sources for candidates?Newspaper ads?Monster.com?Other job sites? Recruiters? From: Burns, John D [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Finding good developers Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:48:41 -0400 One final addition and then I'll shut up... I've been asked by a previous employer what I am most excited about learning or what new CF functionality am I currently playing with/learning/using that excites me.This will let you know if the person is attempting to grow and learn or if they're just someone who has been doing it for years and sometimes if they know it all.I personally value someone who is trying to learn as much as they can (and seems to retain most of it) over someone who is really good at something that is out of touch with new trends and technologies. John Burns -Original Message- From: Whittingham, P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 4:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Finding good developers If you are looking for example for a Cold Fusion developer, find years of experience in html/css/_javascript_/dhtml and Cold Fusion along with lots of sqlstored procedures. Then ask several questions from easy to hard questions on those areas, givingyour staff to help create the questions. They will at least get an idea of the potential applicate. Also, graphic tools (Photoshop/Fireworks) questions might be good also. Asking for their previous work might be hard for the applicate, since his/her work might be the property of his current employer. I've been involved on both side over the last 25 years and a 'good' developer can sometimes 'sense' a another good one. - Pat From: B G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 6/30/2004 1:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Finding good developers Not to say that this list isn't stocked with good developers! But...As my department is growing my need to find good staff is increasing. I need to find good resources for both full-time positions and temporary contract/project based openings.My experience with headhunters has been very consistent.They're pushy and they don't really care about my staffing needs as long as I place someone.Can anyone offer some advice on companies that offer staffing solutions or other similar resources? Any thoughts on this are greatly appreciated.For local info I am located in Chicago. Thanks! BG [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
RE: Finding good developers
Not sure about really helping with finding someone, but a suggestion that I will offer is to have some kind of a test in place to find out if they are really a good developer or not.A lot of people look good on paper and can possibly bring in some examples of stuff they've done in the past, but I've seen it happen where they didn't know much at all about that stuff and it was mainly written by someone else.Perhaps a simple multiple choice test would work, or maybe give the person a small sample application that you'd like them to write and see how they do it. It can give a lot of info on their coding style and such.Just an idea, do with it as you will. John -Original Message- From: B G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 1:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Finding good developers Not to say that this list isn't stocked with good developers! But...As my department is growing my need to find good staff is increasing. I need to find good resources for both full-time positions and temporary contract/project based openings.My experience with headhunters has been very consistent.They're pushy and they don't really care about my staffing needs as long as I place someone.Can anyone offer some advice on companies that offer staffing solutions or other similar resources? Any thoughts on this are greatly appreciated.For local info I am located in Chicago. Thanks! BG [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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give an example for a app that you need, and ask them to architect it...not down to coding level, but db layout, ui layout mockup, etc... solving a logical problem, for most of us is easy, but it can be a good litmus test for proficiency. ...tony tony weeg senior web applications architect navtrak, inc. www.navtrak.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] 410.548.2337 visit www.antiwrap.com to send long url emails to your friends! -- dont mistake my perfection as arrogance anonymous -Original Message- From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 2:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Finding good developers Not sure about really helping with finding someone, but a suggestion that I will offer is to have some kind of a test in place to find out if they are really a good developer or not.A lot of people look good on paper and can possibly bring in some examples of stuff they've done in the past, but I've seen it happen where they didn't know much at all about that stuff and it was mainly written by someone else.Perhaps a simple multiple choice test would work, or maybe give the person a small sample application that you'd like them to write and see how they do it. It can give a lot of info on their coding style and such.Just an idea, do with it as you will. John -Original Message- From: B G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 1:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Finding good developers Not to say that this list isn't stocked with good developers! But...As my department is growing my need to find good staff is increasing. I need to find good resources for both full-time positions and temporary contract/project based openings.My experience with headhunters has been very consistent.They're pushy and they don't really care about my staffing needs as long as I place someone.Can anyone offer some advice on companies that offer staffing solutions or other similar resources? Any thoughts on this are greatly appreciated.For local info I am located in Chicago. Thanks! BG [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:01:37 -0400, Burns, John D [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure about really helping with finding someone, but a suggestion that I will offer is to have some kind of a test in place to find out if they are really a good developer or not.A lot of people look good on paper and can possibly bring in some examples of stuff they've done in the past, but I've seen it happen where they didn't know much at all about that stuff and it was mainly written by someone else.Perhaps a simple multiple choice test would work, or maybe give the person a small sample application that you'd like them to write and see how they do it. It can give a lot of info on their coding style and such.Just an idea, do with it as you will. craigslist.org is pretty good - as sites go. Adding my bit Johns comment: I have found if you ask specific questions about projects people have worked on, it's pretty easy to tell if they did what they said they did. Like why did you do X this way or what made you decided to use X. I have found if they can't get specific they are probably lying or don't know what they are doing. Even simple stuff works, like what does MVC stand for? can you give me an example?. Good luck, Rob ~ the cfml plug-in for eclipse ~ http://cfeclipse.tigris.org [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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Not to say that this list isn't stocked with good developers! ... Thanks! give an example for a app that you need, and ask them to architect it...not down to coding level, but db layout, ui layout mockup, etc... Only thing I'll say is this - the best interview I had was when I was sent a project doc and asked to review it for thoughts and suggestions.I came back with 5 suggestions and about 10 questions. I also ended up getting the job! This is a wonderful thread for the CF-Jobs-Talk list, BTW. Hatton [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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give an example for a app that you need, and ask them to architect it...not down to coding level, but db layout, ui layout mockup, etc... solving a logical problem, for most of us is easy, but it can be a good litmus test for proficiency. Best to use a generic example so that the developer does not feel as if they are doing work for you that they are not getting paid for. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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My only caution in any of this stuff is to be careful to stay away from buzzwords.Sometimes, people may not know what MVC or something else means, but they may understand the concept.The project doc or reviewing an existing app or something seems like the best idea. John -Original Message- From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 2:26 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Finding good developers Not to say that this list isn't stocked with good developers! ... Thanks! give an example for a app that you need, and ask them to architect it...not down to coding level, but db layout, ui layout mockup, etc... Only thing I'll say is this - the best interview I had was when I was sent a project doc and asked to review it for thoughts and suggestions. I came back with 5 suggestions and about 10 questions. I also ended up getting the job! This is a wonderful thread for the CF-Jobs-Talk list, BTW. Hatton [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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On Jun 30, 2004, at 11:26 AM, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote: Not to say that this list isn't stocked with good developers! ... Thanks! give an example for a app that you need, and ask them to architect it...not down to coding level, but db layout, ui layout mockup, etc... Only thing I'll say is this - the best interview I had was when I was sent a project doc and asked to review it for thoughts and suggestions. I came back with 5 suggestions and about 10 questions. I also ended up getting the job! Another good thing to do is ask the (in person) applicant to tell you a joke -- this will tell you a lot about the individual that you'll not get from a resume, application, work example, tec. HTH Dick [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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A joke! It's people like you that I hate when I get interviewed! Though I agree it tells the interviewer a lot, so can my internet browsing cache! George [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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If you are looking for example for a Cold Fusion developer, find years of experience in html/css/_javascript_/dhtml and Cold Fusion along with lots of sqlstored procedures. Then ask several questions from easy to hard questions on those areas, givingyour staff to help create the questions. They will at least get an idea of the potential applicate. Also, graphic tools (Photoshop/Fireworks) questions might be good also. Asking for their previous work might be hard for the applicate, since his/her work might be the property of his current employer. I've been involved on both side over the last 25 years and a 'good' developer can sometimes 'sense' a another good one. - Pat From: B G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 6/30/2004 1:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Finding good developers Not to say that this list isn't stocked with good developers! But...As my department is growing my need to find good staff is increasing. I need to find good resources for both full-time positions and temporary contract/project based openings.My experience with headhunters has been very consistent.They're pushy and they don't really care about my staffing needs as long as I place someone.Can anyone offer some advice on companies that offer staffing solutions or other similar resources?Any thoughts on this are greatly appreciated.For local info I am located in Chicago. Thanks! BG [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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One final addition and then I'll shut up... I've been asked by a previous employer what I am most excited about learning or what new CF functionality am I currently playing with/learning/using that excites me.This will let you know if the person is attempting to grow and learn or if they're just someone who has been doing it for years and sometimes if they know it all.I personally value someone who is trying to learn as much as they can (and seems to retain most of it) over someone who is really good at something that is out of touch with new trends and technologies. John Burns -Original Message- From: Whittingham, P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 4:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Finding good developers If you are looking for example for a Cold Fusion developer, find years of experience in html/css/_javascript_/dhtml and Cold Fusion along with lots of sqlstored procedures. Then ask several questions from easy to hard questions on those areas, givingyour staff to help create the questions. They will at least get an idea of the potential applicate. Also, graphic tools (Photoshop/Fireworks) questions might be good also. Asking for their previous work might be hard for the applicate, since his/her work might be the property of his current employer. I've been involved on both side over the last 25 years and a 'good' developer can sometimes 'sense' a another good one. - Pat From: B G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 6/30/2004 1:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Finding good developers Not to say that this list isn't stocked with good developers! But...As my department is growing my need to find good staff is increasing. I need to find good resources for both full-time positions and temporary contract/project based openings.My experience with headhunters has been very consistent.They're pushy and they don't really care about my staffing needs as long as I place someone.Can anyone offer some advice on companies that offer staffing solutions or other similar resources? Any thoughts on this are greatly appreciated.For local info I am located in Chicago. Thanks! BG [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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Thanks all for the suggestions.In my experience, my best candidates have been those with whom I've been able to have good discussions with.My interviews are very informal.As one suggestion noted, though someone might not know what MVC stands for, if they can articulate work they've done that results in a certain method, then they probably can produce good code. On sourcing though, other than a site like Craigslist, what have been your best sources for candidates?Newspaper ads?Monster.com?Other job sites? Recruiters? From: Burns, John D [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Finding good developers Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:48:41 -0400 One final addition and then I'll shut up... I've been asked by a previous employer what I am most excited about learning or what new CF functionality am I currently playing with/learning/using that excites me.This will let you know if the person is attempting to grow and learn or if they're just someone who has been doing it for years and sometimes if they know it all.I personally value someone who is trying to learn as much as they can (and seems to retain most of it) over someone who is really good at something that is out of touch with new trends and technologies. John Burns -Original Message- From: Whittingham, P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 4:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Finding good developers If you are looking for example for a Cold Fusion developer, find years of experience in html/css/_javascript_/dhtml and Cold Fusion along with lots of sqlstored procedures. Then ask several questions from easy to hard questions on those areas, givingyour staff to help create the questions. They will at least get an idea of the potential applicate. Also, graphic tools (Photoshop/Fireworks) questions might be good also. Asking for their previous work might be hard for the applicate, since his/her work might be the property of his current employer. I've been involved on both side over the last 25 years and a 'good' developer can sometimes 'sense' a another good one. - Pat From: B G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 6/30/2004 1:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Finding good developers Not to say that this list isn't stocked with good developers! But...As my department is growing my need to find good staff is increasing. I need to find good resources for both full-time positions and temporary contract/project based openings.My experience with headhunters has been very consistent.They're pushy and they don't really care about my staffing needs as long as I place someone.Can anyone offer some advice on companies that offer staffing solutions or other similar resources? Any thoughts on this are greatly appreciated.For local info I am located in Chicago. Thanks! BG [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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On Jun 30, 2004, at 12:35 PM, George Abraham wrote: A joke! It's people like you that I hate when I get interviewed! Though I agree it tells the interviewer a lot, so can my internet browsing cache! If you are going to be part of a team... Dick Have you heard the one about the girl who comes home from school and says: Daddy, what's a faux pas?They explained it in school today, but I really don't understand! Well, Honey, maybe it would be easier ifI show you an example. Do you remember a few weeks ago, the Reverend came to the house? Yes, Daddy, is that afaux pas? No Honey!But, do you remember when we we walking in the garden, the Reverend pricked a finger on a rose bush? Yes, Daddy, is that afaux pas? No Honey!But do you remember when the Reverend came to the house last Thursday,for Thanksgiving dinner?. . And that's three of 'em In times like these, it helps to recall that there have always been times like these. - Paul Harvey - [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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Am I missing something or did that joke end without a punch line? At 06:35 PM 6/30/2004, you wrote: On Jun 30, 2004, at 12:35 PM, George Abraham wrote: A joke! It's people like you that I hate when I get interviewed! Though I agree it tells the interviewer a lot, so can my internet browsing cache! If you are going to be part of a team... Dick Have you heard the one about the girl who comes home from school and says: Daddy, what's a faux pas?They explained it in school today, but I really don't understand! Well, Honey, maybe it would be easier ifI show you an example. Do you remember a few weeks ago, the Reverend came to the house? Yes, Daddy, is that afaux pas? No Honey!But, do you remember when we we walking in the garden, the Reverend pricked a finger on a rose bush? Yes, Daddy, is that afaux pas? No Honey!But do you remember when the Reverend came to the house last Thursday,for Thanksgiving dinner?. . And that's three of 'em In times like these, it helps to recall that there have always been times like these. - Paul Harvey - [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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Thank you, Dick, You have provided an excellent reminder of why, under no circumstance, would I ever ask a potential employee or contractor to tell me a joke! Cary Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company At 03:35 PM 6/30/2004, you wrote: On Jun 30, 2004, at 12:35 PM, George Abraham wrote: A joke! It's people like you that I hate when I get interviewed! Though I agree it tells the interviewer a lot, so can my internet browsing cache! If you are going to be part of a team... Dick Have you heard the one about the girl who comes home from school and says: Daddy, what's a faux pas?They explained it in school today, but I really don't understand! Well, Honey, maybe it would be easier ifI show you an example. Do you remember a few weeks ago, the Reverend came to the house? Yes, Daddy, is that afaux pas? No Honey!But, do you remember when we we walking in the garden, the Reverend pricked a finger on a rose bush? Yes, Daddy, is that afaux pas? No Honey!But do you remember when the Reverend came to the house last Thursday,for Thanksgiving dinner?. . And that's three of 'em In times like these, it helps to recall that there have always been times like these. - Paul Harvey - -- [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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Glad to be of service! %^) Dick On Jun 30, 2004, at 4:49 PM, Cary Gordon wrote: Thank you, Dick, You have provided an excellent reminder of why, under no circumstance, would I ever ask a potential employee or contractor to tell me a joke! Cary In times like these, it helps to recall that there have always been times like these. - Paul Harvey - [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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Ray, the entire joke follows -- it is one I told to a potential employer -- didn't get the job, but we both enjoyed the joke. Dick Have you heard the one about the girl who comes home from school and says: Daddy, what's a faux pas? They explained it in school today, but I really don't understand! Well, Honey, maybe it would be easier if I show you an example. Do you remember a few weeks ago, the Reverend came to the house? Yes, Daddy, is that a faux pas? No Honey! But, do you remember when we we walking in the garden, the Reverend pricked a finger on a rose bush? Yes, Daddy, is that a faux pas? No Honey! But do you remember when the Reverend came to the house last Thursday, for Thanksgiving dinner?. ...Yes, Daddy, is that a faux pas? No, Honey! But, do you remember when we were sitting down to dinner, and the Reverend was about to say Grace. You said: Reverend, How's your prick? I said:Jsus Christ!' And your Mother dropped the turkey... . And that's three of 'em On Jun 30, 2004, at 3:38 PM, Ray Champagne wrote: Am I missing something or did that joke end without a punch line? At 06:35 PM 6/30/2004, you wrote: On Jun 30, 2004, at 12:35 PM, George Abraham wrote: A joke! It's people like you that I hate when I get interviewed! Though I agree it tells the interviewer a lot, so can my internet browsing cache! If you are going to be part of a team... Dick Have you heard the one about the girl who comes home from school and says: Daddy, what's a faux pas? They explained it in school today, but I really don't understand! Well, Honey, maybe it would be easier if I show you an example. Do you remember a few weeks ago, the Reverend came to the house? Yes, Daddy, is that a faux pas? No Honey! But, do you remember when we we walking in the garden, the Reverend pricked a finger on a rose bush? Yes, Daddy, is that a faux pas? No Honey! But do you remember when the Reverend came to the house last Thursday, for Thanksgiving dinner?. . And that's three of 'em In times like these, it helps to recall that there have always been times like these. - Paul Harvey - [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
