RE: free mail server preferences

[Hugo Ahlenius]

|I haven't used hmail, but it is supported by HELM, which is a windows 
|only control panel. So I don't think there are any PHP requirements.

I can definately vouch for hMailServer, a very good product, easy to
install and run. Supports IMAP too, which not all other free servers
does. No requirements at all for PHP, unless you need remote
administration (otherwise admining is done through a GUI on the server,
which you may be able to access through VNC/terminal services). I am
actually running php on that machine, for SquirrelMail, but i didn't
manage to get the remote admin thing running (didn't spend much energy
on it).

It comes with a built in database server (mysql) but can also use mssql
or an existing mysql server.

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RE: free mail server preferences

[Jim Davis]

> -Original Message-
> From: Jennifer Gavin-Wear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 2:03 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: free mail server preferences
> 
> Hi Jim,
> 
> That's interesting, when did that happen?
> 
> I've only sys admined Exchange up to V5.5 which did have SMTP built in.

Well... then I guess it must have been Exchange 2000 since that's where I
started.  ;^)

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Re: free mail server preferences

[Robert Munn]

>I just got an email from a client wondering how much
>longer it was going to take to get their site done...clients...
>always pushing speed ahead of quality...sacrificing
>long-term benefit for short term gain...

ain't that the truth...

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RE: free mail server preferences

[Jennifer Gavin-Wear]

Hi Jim,

That's interesting, when did that happen?

I've only sys admined Exchange up to V5.5 which did have SMTP built in.

Jenny

-Original Message-
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Sent: 29 December 2005 17:49
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Subject: RE: free mail server preferences


Exchange doesn't actually include an SMTP server anyway: it uses the SMTP
server included in Windows Server.




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RE: free mail server preferences

[Jim Davis]

> -Original Message-
> From: John Paul Ashenfelter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 29 December 2005 01:27
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: free mail server preferences
> 
> On 12/28/05, Snake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Might I suggest a subscription to the Microsoft Action Pack. It only
> > costs £200 per year, and for that you get several grands worth of
> > software, including win2k3, sql server, Small business Server, and
> > even Exchange server i think.
> 
> I would strongly recommend NOT running an Exchange server solely to send
> outbound SMTP email for testing... that's a lot of complication (pretty
> equivalent to saying just run a Linux server for all your outbound mail

Exchange doesn't actually include an SMTP server anyway: it uses the SMTP
server included in Windows Server.

Just thought you'd like to know.  ;^)

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RE: free mail server preferences

[Rick Faircloth]

Thanks, Rob, but I think at this point I'd be better off
paying $88 for a full, easy to install and configure email
server and be able to spend time on developing sites.

I just got an email from a client wondering how much
longer it was going to take to get their site done...clients...
always pushing speed ahead of quality...sacrificing
long-term benefit for short term gain...

Rick


> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Munn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 11:17 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: free mail server preferences
> 
> 
> You are right on. There are a bunch of bunch of manual 
> configuration steps to deal with, but in all fairness there are 
> tools that automate most of it. I would be happy to send you my 
> working baseline configuration files if you want to try it. Once 
> you get the baseline configuration running, there is a very nice 
> little GUI tool that allows you to admin the server- add domains, 
> add email addresses, etc. 
> 
> Rob
> 
> 
> >Hmmm...looks kinda scary in the docs...I'm one of
> >those "Plug-n-play" MS kinda guys...too many manual
> >installation and configuration steps leads to problems...
> >
> >Am I missing the forest for the trees?
> 
> 

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Re: free mail server preferences

[Robert Munn]

You are right on. There are a bunch of bunch of manual configuration steps to 
deal with, but in all fairness there are tools that automate most of it. I 
would be happy to send you my working baseline configuration files if you want 
to try it. Once you get the baseline configuration running, there is a very 
nice little GUI tool that allows you to admin the server- add domains, add 
email addresses, etc. 

Rob


>Hmmm...looks kinda scary in the docs...I'm one of
>those "Plug-n-play" MS kinda guys...too many manual
>installation and configuration steps leads to problems...
>
>Am I missing the forest for the trees?

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RE: free mail server preferences

[Rick Faircloth]

I guess it depends on your workflow...I'm a one-man shop,
one server...used to develop on my workstation, now I just
use development domains on the production server for
development and testing...saves time and doesn't require
installing CF, et al on my workstation.  I use MySQL
exclusively, so don't have any need to use MSSQL at this point.

Getting into a lot of MS software I won't use in production
will just take a lot of time for no benefit that I can see...

Rick


> -Original Message-
> From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 11:48 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: free mail server preferences
> 
> 
> >I just checked out the specifics on the Action Pack...found
> > out it is only for internal use and cannot be used commercially.
> > So what would be the point...
> >
> > Rick
> 
> Well consider what 10 installs of Windows would cost yathen ask that 
> question again ;-)
> 
> "Commercially" means not in a production systembut you can 
> use their tools 
> for devso say you uise SQL Server to dev an app...that's 
> OKyou just 
> can't use that copy of SQL Server for the app when it goes live.
> 
> The Action Pack saves loads of $
> 
> Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
> VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
> Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
> phone: 250.480.0642
> fax: 250.480.1264
> cell: 250.920.8830
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> web: www.electricedgesystems.com 
> 
> 
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RE: free mail server preferences

[Rick Faircloth]

Hmmm...looks kinda scary in the docs...I'm one of
those "Plug-n-play" MS kinda guys...too many manual
installation and configuration steps leads to problems...

Am I missing the forest for the trees?

Rick


> -Original Message-
> From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 11:39 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: free mail server preferences
> 
> 
> I have used XMail when I needed a free mail server and it seems to work 
> very well. There are tons of extensions written for it too!
> 
> http://www.xmailserver.org/
> 
> --Ferg
> 
> 
> 

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RE: free mail server preferences

[Snake]

To kit out your office for £200 :-)
If you’re a development company anyway. 

-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 29 December 2005 16:41
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: free mail server preferences

I just checked out the specifics on the Action Pack...found out it is only
for internal use and cannot be used commercially.
So what would be the point...

Rick


> -Original Message-
> From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 10:47 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: free mail server preferences
>
>
> > Might I suggest a subscription to the Microsoft Action Pack. It
> only costs
> > £200 per year, and for that you get several grands worth of 
> > software, including win2k3, sql server, Small business Server, and 
> > even Exchange server i think.
>
> Yep...I second the Action Pack idealoads of software for 
> dirt...Windows...SQL Server...Office...and a whole buncha stuff you 
> don't normally hear about.
>
> Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
> VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group 
> Inc.
> phone: 250.480.0642
> fax: 250.480.1264
> cell: 250.920.8830
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> web: www.electricedgesystems.com
>
>
> 



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Re: free mail server preferences

[Bryan Stevenson]

>I just checked out the specifics on the Action Pack...found
> out it is only for internal use and cannot be used commercially.
> So what would be the point...
>
> Rick

Well consider what 10 installs of Windows would cost yathen ask that 
question again ;-)

"Commercially" means not in a production systembut you can use their tools 
for devso say you uise SQL Server to dev an app...that's OKyou just 
can't use that copy of SQL Server for the app when it goes live.

The Action Pack saves loads of $

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Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
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fax: 250.480.1264
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Re: free mail server preferences

[Robert Munn]

I'll second X-Mail, although setting it up isn't a matter of cliking 
Run|Next|Next|Finish. It does just about everything you could want, but there 
is a bit of a learning curve before you can create a base configuration. I 
would still recommend it, though. The only thing it doesn't do is IMAP, but you 
can link it with an IMAP server on *nix if you like.



>I have used XMail when I needed a free mail server and it seems to work 
>very well. There are tons of extensions written for it too!
>
>http://www.xmailserver.org/
>
>--Ferg

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RE: free mail server preferences

[Rick Faircloth]

I just checked out the specifics on the Action Pack...found
out it is only for internal use and cannot be used commercially.
So what would be the point...

Rick


> -Original Message-
> From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 10:47 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: free mail server preferences
>
>
> > Might I suggest a subscription to the Microsoft Action Pack. It
> only costs
> > £200 per year, and for that you get several grands worth of software,
> > including win2k3, sql server, Small business Server, and even Exchange
> > server i think.
>
> Yep...I second the Action Pack idealoads of software for
> dirt...Windows...SQL Server...Office...and a whole buncha stuff you don't
> normally hear about.
>
> Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
> VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
> Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
> phone: 250.480.0642
> fax: 250.480.1264
> cell: 250.920.8830
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> web: www.electricedgesystems.com
>
>
> 

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Re: free mail server preferences

[Ken Ferguson]

I have used XMail when I needed a free mail server and it seems to work 
very well. There are tons of extensions written for it too!

http://www.xmailserver.org/

--Ferg


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RE: free mail server preferences

[Rick Faircloth]

Thanks, Jennifer...

Rick

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> 
> 
> http://www.xe.com/
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Re: free mail server preferences

[Bryan Stevenson]

> As an aside, you also need to be a level 3 Registered Member of the
> Microsoft Partner Program, which undoubtedly costs more money.
>
> Andy

Not sure about that level 3 req.but I know we did NOT pay anything but the 
Action Pack fee

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Re: free mail server preferences

[Bryan Stevenson]

> Might I suggest a subscription to the Microsoft Action Pack. It only costs
> £200 per year, and for that you get several grands worth of software,
> including win2k3, sql server, Small business Server, and even Exchange
> server i think.

Yep...I second the Action Pack idealoads of software for 
dirt...Windows...SQL Server...Office...and a whole buncha stuff you don't 
normally hear about.

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VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: free mail server preferences

[Jennifer Gavin-Wear]

http://www.xe.com/

-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 29 December 2005 01:23
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: free mail server preferences


Thanks for the tip, Russ...

Anyone know the conversion rate for pounds to dollars? :o)




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RE: free mail server preferences

[Jennifer Gavin-Wear]

A basic registration on the MS Partner Programme is free:
http://www.microsoft.com/uk/partner/sales_and_marketing/actionpack/default.a
spx

The Action Pack is available under the free registration.

The free programme does not require any level of proven MS expertise.

The AP software is licensed for in house use, not just for development and
testing.

The AP contents can be found here:
http://www.microsoft.com/uk/partner/sales_and_marketing/actionpack/contents.
aspx

Having used the programme many years ago, I wish I'd remembered it a few
months ago when I went out and paid for  mail server (paid for software
*gasp*), and the 2003 Server would be pretty useful, too.

As far as running MS Exchange it's really no more complicated than any other
SMTP server.  Yes, there are tons of features there you would probably never
use, but to set up basic smtp and domains is not so difficult - and you
always have the extra functionality if you need it in the future.

Hope this helps,

Jenny


-Original Message-
From: Andy Allan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 29 December 2005 11:27
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: free mail server preferences


In regards the Action Pack, it is for internal usage only (application
development and testing). The licenses are NOT intended for personal
use, hosting customers applications, or installing on customer sites.
So, if you put any of this software into production your are violating
your license.

As an aside, you also need to be a level 3 Registered Member of the
Microsoft Partner Program, which undoubtedly costs more money.

Andy

On 29/12/05, Snake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was not suggesting that he used exchange, if you READ properly, I was
> listing some of the software that comes with Action Pack, including
> Exchange.
> Id you also refer to my previous reply, I had in fact suggested win2k3
which
> includes SMTP and POP3 services.
>
> Russ
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Paul Ashenfelter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 29 December 2005 01:27
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: free mail server preferences
>
> On 12/28/05, Snake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Might I suggest a subscription to the Microsoft Action Pack. It only
> > costs £200 per year, and for that you get several grands worth of
> > software, including win2k3, sql server, Small business Server, and
> > even Exchange server i think.
>
> I would strongly recommend NOT running an Exchange server solely to send
> outbound SMTP email for testing... that's a lot of complication (pretty
> equivalent to saying just run a Linux server for all your outbound mail
>
> --
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> CTO/Transitionpoint
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> (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
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Re: free mail server preferences

[John Paul Ashenfelter]

On 12/29/05, Snake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Andy you are incorrect on all counts.

Actually, you're not completely correct on a couple of counts to -- to
be pendantic :)

> There is no additonal cost other than the cost of the action pack. I know
> because we have 2 subscriptions.

Partner requirements vary by region. I don't know the details required
for being a "level 3" partner -- but they can and do vary globally.

> There is nothing stopping you using any of the software within the pack for
> personal use. In fact it would be rather impossible to use any of it for
> development without doing that as you have to install it.
> The pack comes with 10 installs of Windows XP for your office for instance.

You may be using personal to mean something different, but I'll point
you to the text quoted below

"
3.4 The licenses are provided for use at your primary business
location only and must be used only for your internal business
purposes, application development and testing. The licenses are NOT
intended for employee personal use at home, for hosting customer's
applications, or for installation at a customer site and may NOT be
resold, transferred, or assigned to any third party."

(from https://partner.microsoft.com/global/40009853)

So you can use it for personal use *at work* but not at home. IANAL so
I don't want to get into home office, the location of a business when
you've got hosted business servers, etc. But I will say you do need to
be careful about how you use any of the license packs -- MS Action
Pack, MSDE, TechNet, etc. The rules vary.

As an aside, the text above doesn't make it clear if the software is
for "internal business purposes" (comma) and [any] app development and
testing or "internal business purposes" and [internal] app development
and testing. I think the lawyers would argue whichever way makes MS
more money :)

> Also you will note that the original post stated it was for his own use, and
> the fact that he is on this list means he is a developer and thus officially
> he would be using it for development anyway.

That's a huge assumption -- and doesn't meet the legal definitions
necessarily if MS got uppity about it. Does it cover me working on a
laptop at a coffee shop developing an app for a client? Does it a
staging server in our colo on the network that also hosts our
production web server? Does it cover me using a VMWare instance on my
laptop when I'm at a client site trying to troubleshoot a problem on a
server?

There's a *lot* of gray that can get you burned if you play fast and
loose with licenses. Regardless about your *beliefs* about what's ok,
you need to be a little careful if you're in a scenario where you have
the potential to get a visit from the software license police. Course
that's not all that likely for a small dev shop.

> Talk about being Pedantic, sheesh.

Hey -- it's all in the EULA. You read those, right? ;)
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Re: free mail server preferences

[Andy Allan]

Fair enough. I based my comments on the following link:
https://partner.microsoft.com/global/40009853

If I misinterpreted the information - or maybe you can get the Action
Pack another way - fair enough. I never said the Action Pack was a bad
idea. I was just posting that info (maybe I should have just posted
the link) to make sure all the facts were available and that nobody
went and bought something that wouldn't have any production usage.

And yes, Ray did say it was for development usage, but then Rick
jumped in asking for something similar but for production use.

Andy

On 29/12/05, Snake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Andy you are incorrect on all counts.
>
> There is no additonal cost other than the cost of the action pack. I know
> because we have 2 subscriptions.
>
> There is nothing stopping you using any of the software within the pack for
> personal use. In fact it would be rather impossible to use any of it for
> development without doing that as you have to install it.
> The pack comes with 10 installs of Windows XP for your office for instance.
>
> Also you will note that the original post stated it was for his own use, and
> the fact that he is on this list means he is a developer and thus officially
> he would be using it for development anyway.
>
> Talk about being Pedantic, sheesh.
>
> Russ
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andy Allan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 29 December 2005 11:27
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: free mail server preferences
>
> In regards the Action Pack, it is for internal usage only (application
> development and testing). The licenses are NOT intended for personal use,
> hosting customers applications, or installing on customer sites.
> So, if you put any of this software into production your are violating your
> license.
>
> As an aside, you also need to be a level 3 Registered Member of the
> Microsoft Partner Program, which undoubtedly costs more money.
>
> Andy
>
> On 29/12/05, Snake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I was not suggesting that he used exchange, if you READ properly, I
> > was listing some of the software that comes with Action Pack,
> > including Exchange.
> > Id you also refer to my previous reply, I had in fact suggested win2k3
> > which includes SMTP and POP3 services.
> >
> > Russ
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: John Paul Ashenfelter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 29 December 2005 01:27
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: free mail server preferences
> >
> > On 12/28/05, Snake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Might I suggest a subscription to the Microsoft Action Pack. It only
> > > costs £200 per year, and for that you get several grands worth of
> > > software, including win2k3, sql server, Small business Server, and
> > > even Exchange server i think.
> >
> > I would strongly recommend NOT running an Exchange server solely to
> > send outbound SMTP email for testing... that's a lot of complication
> > (pretty equivalent to saying just run a Linux server for all your
> > outbound mail
> >
> > --
> > John Paul Ashenfelter
> > CTO/Transitionpoint
> > (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com
> > (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> 

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RE: free mail server preferences

[Rick Faircloth]

Thanks for the info, Steve!

Rick

> -Original Message-
> From: Steve Logan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 7:16 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: free mail server preferences
> 
> 
> POP before SMTP is a way of authenticating an SMTP session.  
> Basically, if the user can sucessfully POP mail from the server, 
> the mail server would then let them send mail through it. 
> 
> Other methods of allowing mail relaying would typically be 
> SMTP-Authentication (username & password required to send - 
> useful if your clients don't all have POP accounts on the server) 
> and via IP rules.
> 
> If anyone on this list is ever looking for a non-Windows mail 
> server configuration, check out Inter7.com.  They do full 
> installations of a modified qmail systems on any flavor of *nix 
> for a couple hundred dollars remotely.  We've had them build 
> several mail servers that are all very well setup.
> 
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Re: free mail server preferences

[Steve Logan]

POP before SMTP is a way of authenticating an SMTP session.  Basically, if the 
user can sucessfully POP mail from the server, the mail server would then let 
them send mail through it. 

Other methods of allowing mail relaying would typically be SMTP-Authentication 
(username & password required to send - useful if your clients don't all have 
POP accounts on the server) and via IP rules.

If anyone on this list is ever looking for a non-Windows mail server 
configuration, check out Inter7.com.  They do full installations of a modified 
qmail systems on any flavor of *nix for a couple hundred dollars remotely.  
We've had them build several mail servers that are all very well setup.

Steve

>
>Here's a question about ArgoSoft for anyone...
>
>I see that only the Pro version ($88) offers "POP before SMTP"
>as a feature...what does that mean?
>
>Rick

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RE: free mail server preferences

[Snake]

Andy you are incorrect on all counts.

There is no additonal cost other than the cost of the action pack. I know
because we have 2 subscriptions.

There is nothing stopping you using any of the software within the pack for
personal use. In fact it would be rather impossible to use any of it for
development without doing that as you have to install it.
The pack comes with 10 installs of Windows XP for your office for instance.

Also you will note that the original post stated it was for his own use, and
the fact that he is on this list means he is a developer and thus officially
he would be using it for development anyway.

Talk about being Pedantic, sheesh.

Russ

 

-Original Message-
From: Andy Allan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 29 December 2005 11:27
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: free mail server preferences

In regards the Action Pack, it is for internal usage only (application
development and testing). The licenses are NOT intended for personal use,
hosting customers applications, or installing on customer sites.
So, if you put any of this software into production your are violating your
license.

As an aside, you also need to be a level 3 Registered Member of the
Microsoft Partner Program, which undoubtedly costs more money.

Andy

On 29/12/05, Snake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was not suggesting that he used exchange, if you READ properly, I 
> was listing some of the software that comes with Action Pack, 
> including Exchange.
> Id you also refer to my previous reply, I had in fact suggested win2k3 
> which includes SMTP and POP3 services.
>
> Russ
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Paul Ashenfelter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 29 December 2005 01:27
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: free mail server preferences
>
> On 12/28/05, Snake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Might I suggest a subscription to the Microsoft Action Pack. It only 
> > costs £200 per year, and for that you get several grands worth of 
> > software, including win2k3, sql server, Small business Server, and 
> > even Exchange server i think.
>
> I would strongly recommend NOT running an Exchange server solely to 
> send outbound SMTP email for testing... that's a lot of complication 
> (pretty equivalent to saying just run a Linux server for all your 
> outbound mail
>
> --
> John Paul Ashenfelter
> CTO/Transitionpoint
> (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com
> (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> 



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Re: free mail server preferences

[Andy Allan]

In regards the Action Pack, it is for internal usage only (application
development and testing). The licenses are NOT intended for personal
use, hosting customers applications, or installing on customer sites.
So, if you put any of this software into production your are violating
your license.

As an aside, you also need to be a level 3 Registered Member of the
Microsoft Partner Program, which undoubtedly costs more money.

Andy

On 29/12/05, Snake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was not suggesting that he used exchange, if you READ properly, I was
> listing some of the software that comes with Action Pack, including
> Exchange.
> Id you also refer to my previous reply, I had in fact suggested win2k3 which
> includes SMTP and POP3 services.
>
> Russ
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Paul Ashenfelter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 29 December 2005 01:27
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: free mail server preferences
>
> On 12/28/05, Snake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Might I suggest a subscription to the Microsoft Action Pack. It only
> > costs £200 per year, and for that you get several grands worth of
> > software, including win2k3, sql server, Small business Server, and
> > even Exchange server i think.
>
> I would strongly recommend NOT running an Exchange server solely to send
> outbound SMTP email for testing... that's a lot of complication (pretty
> equivalent to saying just run a Linux server for all your outbound mail
>
> --
> John Paul Ashenfelter
> CTO/Transitionpoint
> (blog) http://www.ashenfelter.com
> (email) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> 

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RE: free mail server preferences

[Snake]

I was not suggesting that he used exchange, if you READ properly, I was
listing some of the software that comes with Action Pack, including
Exchange.
Id you also refer to my previous reply, I had in fact suggested win2k3 which
includes SMTP and POP3 services.

Russ 

-Original Message-
From: John Paul Ashenfelter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 29 December 2005 01:27
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: free mail server preferences

On 12/28/05, Snake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Might I suggest a subscription to the Microsoft Action Pack. It only 
> costs £200 per year, and for that you get several grands worth of 
> software, including win2k3, sql server, Small business Server, and 
> even Exchange server i think.

I would strongly recommend NOT running an Exchange server solely to send
outbound SMTP email for testing... that's a lot of complication (pretty
equivalent to saying just run a Linux server for all your outbound mail

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RE: free mail server preferences

[Rick Faircloth]

The $49 is no problem...just seeing some extra features
in the ArgoSoft Pro version that I'd like to have and wondering
if other software which costs $137 or less would have
all the features I might want to use at some point...list server,
autoresponders, "Mailbag" Domains for domain relay (why would
I need domain relay if I can provide full mail service for multiple
domains?),
IMAP, etc., which only come on the Pro version.

I wouldn't use the freeware which won't function as a service.

Rick




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> From: John Paul Ashenfelter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 8:26 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: free mail server preferences
>
>
> On 12/28/05, Rick Faircloth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Anyone know for sure about having to restart
> > the ArgoSoft free version manually each reboot?
>
> Yes, the free version is NOT a service, so you have to start it on a
> reboot. That means you put it in your startup folder and login (and
> stay logged in). Or pay $49 for the service. I've got a client using
> it and that's precisely what they do on a reboot.
>
> For a dev/test server, that probably isn't a deal killer, but $49
> bucks saves you ever having to think about it again...
>



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RE: free mail server preferences

[Dave Watts]

> I notice the free version doesn't run as a service...does
> that mean I have to manually enable the program every time
> the computer is rebooted?

Yes. However, there's a utility in the Windows 2000 Resource Kit which will
allow you to run an application as a service.

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Re: free mail server preferences

[John Paul Ashenfelter]

On 12/28/05, Snake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> U know that windows 2003 server has mail built in right ?

And windows 2000 has SMTP relay built in I'm pretty surprised that
you're not considering sending test email through the production mail
server. Assuming you can get access to relay mail through it (not an
automatic with many security setups though).

If you think about it from a testing perspective, once your ColdFusion
page hands off your email to the /Mail/Spool directory, all of your
tasks as a ColdFusion developer are pretty much complete. The fact
that it goes out instead of to /Undelvr only shows that your local CF
server is configured with a valid mailserver... which tests your dev
environment much more than your application per se. And even passing
that test does not guarentee that everything is set up properly in the
production environment (eg you can "verify" to a mail server in CF
Admin and still get relaying denied when you try to send email).

And if your client has AOL or other tools with built-in spam
filtering, your tests can *cause* more concerns from sent but not
received mail than waiting to test outbound mail til the production
environment (SORBS I think is the spam blackhole list that has many,
many dynamic IPs I believe -- seen that bounce personal test servers
several times).

Just some food for thought. If you're sending HTML/text email, sending
some out does make some sense, but think about skipping the whole
intermediate Argosoft/etc step and try for the production server (or
use you normal outbound server from your ISP)

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RE: free mail server preferences

[Rick Faircloth]

Wasn't seriously considering it for now,
but thought I might have use of Server 2003
or Small Business Server for later...


> -Original Message-
> From: John Paul Ashenfelter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 8:27 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: free mail server preferences
>
>
> On 12/28/05, Snake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Might I suggest a subscription to the Microsoft Action Pack. It
> only costs
> > £200 per year, and for that you get several grands worth of software,
> > including win2k3, sql server, Small business Server, and even Exchange
> > server i think.
>
> I would strongly recommend NOT running an Exchange server solely to
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> outbound mail
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Re: free mail server preferences

[John Paul Ashenfelter]

On 12/28/05, Snake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Might I suggest a subscription to the Microsoft Action Pack. It only costs
> £200 per year, and for that you get several grands worth of software,
> including win2k3, sql server, Small business Server, and even Exchange
> server i think.

I would strongly recommend NOT running an Exchange server solely to
send outbound SMTP email for testing... that's a lot of complication
(pretty equivalent to saying just run a Linux server for all your
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Re: free mail server preferences

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On 12/28/05, Rick Faircloth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anyone know for sure about having to restart
> the ArgoSoft free version manually each reboot?

Yes, the free version is NOT a service, so you have to start it on a
reboot. That means you put it in your startup folder and login (and
stay logged in). Or pay $49 for the service. I've got a client using
it and that's precisely what they do on a reboot.

For a dev/test server, that probably isn't a deal killer, but $49
bucks saves you ever having to think about it again...

> (I'd give it a try just to find out, but I'd have to shut
> down my current email server, etc...I'm too lazy)
>
> Rick
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RE: free mail server preferences

[Rick Faircloth]

Thanks for the tip, Russ...

Anyone know the conversion rate for pounds to dollars? :o)

Rick

> -Original Message-
> From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 7:56 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: free mail server preferences
>
>
> Might I suggest a subscription to the Microsoft Action Pack. It only costs
> £200 per year, and for that you get several grands worth of software,
> including win2k3, sql server, Small business Server, and even Exchange
> server i think.
>
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RE: free mail server preferences

[Snake]

Might I suggest a subscription to the Microsoft Action Pack. It only costs
£200 per year, and for that you get several grands worth of software,
including win2k3, sql server, Small business Server, and even Exchange
server i think.

russ 

-Original Message-
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Sent: 29 December 2005 00:37
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: free mail server preferences

Windows 2000 Server here...


> -Original Message-
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> To: CF-Talk
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> 
> 
> U know that windows 2003 server has mail built in right ?
>  





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RE: free mail server preferences

[Rick Faircloth]

Anyone know for sure about having to restart
the ArgoSoft free version manually each reboot?

(I'd give it a try just to find out, but I'd have to shut
down my current email server, etc...I'm too lazy)

Rick


> -Original Message-
> From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 7:27 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: free mail server preferences
> 
> 
> > I wouldn't like that too much...the server would need to
> > start if Windows 2000 Server just came back to the login screen if
> > power went off and the server came back up following
> > battery backup drainage...have to go to the Plus version ($49)
> > for that feature...which is still ok...
> 
> againmore of a feeling than concrete evidencegrab the 
> free version and 
> give 'er a whirl to make sure
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RE: free mail server preferences

[Rick Faircloth]

I don't know anything about PHP except that I don't want
to know anything about PHP from the looks of some of the code... :oP

> http://coolfusion.com/Commerce/index.cfm?category=7

Yeah, that's iMS-Lite...I want a full mail server to handle my
own mail, perhaps run a list server, etc...

Here's a question about ArgoSoft for anyone...

I see that only the Pro version ($88) offers "POP before SMTP"
as a feature...what does that mean?

Rick


> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 7:27 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: free mail server preferences
> 
> 
> Howdy Rick,
> 
> I am actually using iMS_SE for one client.  If you click on the
> products page you see the price is $0.00.  As I understand it the two
> products are essentially the same except for their respective
> capacity.
> 
> http://coolfusion.com/Commerce/index.cfm?category=7
> 
> And no, this is not a full mail server.  All it does is send, which is
> all I need CF to do on its own.  I use iMS as a mail sending engine to
> keep the load off of the mail server.
> 
> If you need POP and mailboxes and such, look at hmailserver.  I just
> finished a tour and it looks pretty cool; although you will have to be
> running PHP for it to go.
> 
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RE: free mail server preferences

[Rick Faircloth]

Windows 2000 Server here...


> -Original Message-
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> 
> 
> U know that windows 2003 server has mail built in right ?
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Re: free mail server preferences

[Matt Robertson]

Howdy Rick,

I am actually using iMS_SE for one client.  If you click on the
products page you see the price is $0.00.  As I understand it the two
products are essentially the same except for their respective
capacity.

http://coolfusion.com/Commerce/index.cfm?category=7

And no, this is not a full mail server.  All it does is send, which is
all I need CF to do on its own.  I use iMS as a mail sending engine to
keep the load off of the mail server.

If you need POP and mailboxes and such, look at hmailserver.  I just
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Re: free mail server preferences

[Bryan Stevenson]

> I wouldn't like that too much...the server would need to
> start if Windows 2000 Server just came back to the login screen if
> power went off and the server came back up following
> battery backup drainage...have to go to the Plus version ($49)
> for that feature...which is still ok...

againmore of a feeling than concrete evidencegrab the free version and 
give 'er a whirl to make sure

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RE: free mail server preferences

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> Nope...mine auto-starts (a preference I think)although I do 
> seem to recall a 
> need to login for it to kick into gear (old fuzzy info 
> though...never tested if 
> I recall correctly)

I wouldn't like that too much...the server would need to
start if Windows 2000 Server just came back to the login screen if
power went off and the server came back up following
battery backup drainage...have to go to the Plus version ($49)
for that feature...which is still ok...

However, no IMAP (which I think would be good to have and use)
until the Pro version...$88 (US) plus $49 for the IMAP function...hmmm...
Getting pricey...

Rick



> -Original Message-
> From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 7:05 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: free mail server preferences
> 
> 
> > I guessed the domain and went straight to it, but thought
> > I'd ask Bryan to encourage the dialogue... ;o)
> 
> Figured ya knew better ;-)  No need to encourage me to 
> talkjust ask the lads 
> in the office here...I think "shut him up" may be their reply!!
> 
> > I notice the free version doesn't run as a service...does that
> > mean I have to manually enable the program every time
> > the computer is rebooted?
> 
> Nope...mine auto-starts (a preference I think)although I do 
> seem to recall a 
> need to login for it to kick into gear (old fuzzy info 
> though...never tested if 
> I recall correctly)



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RE: free mail server preferences

[Snake]

U know that windows 2003 server has mail built in right ?
 

-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 29 December 2005 00:17
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: free mail server preferences

Hello, Matt...

Are you referring to iMS-Lite?  (Their comparison chart says that the
developer edition of iMS-SE is the only one that's free...)

Is that just for sending email from multiple domains?  It's not a full-scale
email server...is it?

My client's email addresses are forwarded addresses to their ISP POP
accounts...I don't handle their POP accounts, but I do use SmarterMail for
my and my family's email.

I just need a mail server for my email and to be able to send email from
multiple domains for the websites I host...

Rick


> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 7:01 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: free mail server preferences
> 
> 
> On 12/28/05, Bryan Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> -an untrained chimp could set it up
> 
> Glad you said 'untrained' otherwise I would have taken offense. :-)
> 
> As much as I agree that Argosoft is EZ-PZ, I think everyone has 
> forgotten that iMS_SE has recently come out with a freebie version as 
> well.
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RE: free mail server preferences

[Rick Faircloth]

Hello, Matt...

Are you referring to iMS-Lite?  (Their comparison
chart says that the developer edition of iMS-SE
is the only one that's free...)

Is that just for sending email from multiple
domains?  It's not a full-scale email server...is it?

My client's email addresses are forwarded addresses
to their ISP POP accounts...I don't handle their POP accounts,
but I do use SmarterMail for my and my family's email.

I just need a mail server for my email and to be able to
send email from multiple domains for the websites I host...

Rick


> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 7:01 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: free mail server preferences
> 
> 
> On 12/28/05, Bryan Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> -an untrained chimp could set it up
> 
> Glad you said 'untrained' otherwise I would have taken offense. :-)
> 
> As much as I agree that Argosoft is EZ-PZ, I think everyone has
> forgotten that iMS_SE has recently come out with a freebie version as
> well.
> 
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Re: free mail server preferences

[Matt Robertson]

On 12/28/05, Bryan Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ahhhthat's the lite version of what this list runs on right?

yep.

http://coolfusion.com/imslite/

I've played with IMS_SE off and on for some time and finally had
occasion to buy it not so long ago.  It worked great to solve some
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> As much as I agree that Argosoft is EZ-PZ, I think everyone has
> forgotten that iMS_SE has recently come out with a freebie version as
> well.

Ahhhthat's the lite version of what this list runs on right?

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Re: free mail server preferences

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> I guessed the domain and went straight to it, but thought
> I'd ask Bryan to encourage the dialogue... ;o)

Figured ya knew better ;-)  No need to encourage me to talkjust ask the 
lads 
in the office here...I think "shut him up" may be their reply!!

> I notice the free version doesn't run as a service...does that
> mean I have to manually enable the program every time
> the computer is rebooted?

Nope...mine auto-starts (a preference I think)although I do seem to recall 
a 
need to login for it to kick into gear (old fuzzy info though...never tested if 
I recall correctly)

HTH

Cheers

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RE: free mail server preferences

[Snake]

I haven't used hmail, but it is supported by HELM, which is a windows only
control panel. So I don't think there are any PHP requirements. 

-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 28 December 2005 23:12
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: free mail server preferences

Hi, Kevin...

I've been running the free version of SmarterMail, which supports only one
domain and want to be able to send mail from multiple domains, but that
requires the $200 version of SmarterMail.

I went and checked out hMailServer on the website, and while it looks good
from the MySQL side, which I use, I see a lot of talk about PHP in the
forums, which I don't use...

Is hMailServer easy to use?  Someone said in an answer on the forum that one
user should "install" PHP...is that software that has to be installed to
process PHP code?

Perhaps I would save myself a lot of headaches and time by just buying
SmarterMail or going with MailEnable, which supports multiple domains in the
free standard version?

Thanks for your (and anyone else's) input...

Rick


> -Original Message-
> From: Kevin Aebig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 5:07 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: free mail server preferences
> 
> 
> hMailServer... great product and MySQL based.
> 
> !K
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: December 28, 2005 11:45 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: free mail server preferences
> 
> Setting up a new dev server, and I need a mail server that is free and 
> easy to set up.  It'll only be handling light loads for testing 
> purposes mostly.  Box is running Windows 2003.  What are your preferences?
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Re: free mail server preferences

[Matt Robertson]

On 12/28/05, Bryan Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
-an untrained chimp could set it up

Glad you said 'untrained' otherwise I would have taken offense. :-)

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RE: free mail server preferences

[Rick Faircloth]

Thanks, Dave (and now Bryan)...

I guessed the domain and went straight to it, but thought
I'd ask Bryan to encourage the dialogue... ;o)

Now...about ArgoSoft...

I see in the version comparison chart that all versions do
support multiple domains...that's good...really all I need
to do is to be able to send email using clients' mailing
lists which I have in MySQL when they send out newsletters,
announcements, etc.  SmarterMail (free) doesn't allow
me to send email using another domain name.

I notice the free version doesn't run as a service...does that
mean I have to manually enable the program every time
the computer is rebooted?

Rick


> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 6:49 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: free mail server preferences
> 
> 
> > I assume your *subtle* "hint" was directed at me... :o),
> > so...where do I find ArgoSoft Mail Server...
> 
> http://www.google.com/search?q=ArgoSoft+Mail+Server
> http://www.argosoft.com/mailserver/
> 
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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Re: free mail server preferences

[Bryan Stevenson]

> http://www.google.com/search?q=ArgoSoft+Mail+Server
> http://www.argosoft.com/mailserver/
> 
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/

Yeah I was just gonna say hit Google too..hehe

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Re: free mail server preferences

[Bryan Stevenson]

> Hi, Bryan...
> 
> I assume your *subtle* "hint" was directed at me... :o),
> so...where do I find ArgoSoft Mail Server...
> 
> Rick

LOL...I've never been accused of being subtle ;-)

http://www.argosoft.com/mailserver/

tough URL eh ;-)

For Dev environment it does the trick

Cheers

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RE: free mail server preferences

[Dave Watts]

> I assume your *subtle* "hint" was directed at me... :o),
> so...where do I find ArgoSoft Mail Server...

http://www.google.com/search?q=ArgoSoft+Mail+Server
http://www.argosoft.com/mailserver/

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RE: free mail server preferences

[Rick Faircloth]

Hi, Bryan...

I assume your *subtle* "hint" was directed at me... :o),
so...where do I find ArgoSoft Mail Server...

Rick


> -Original Message-
> From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 6:25 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: free mail server preferences
> 
> 
> *ahem* I'd like to once again offer up ArgoSoft Mail Server as an option
> 
> -free
> -multi-domain
> -doesn't require MySQL
> -an untrained chimp could set it up
> -did I mentioin it's free
> -oh ya it's free BTW
> 
> OK..I'm done...ignore me at you peril ;-)
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Re: free mail server preferences

[Bryan Stevenson]

*ahem* I'd like to once again offer up ArgoSoft Mail Server as an option

-free
-multi-domain
-doesn't require MySQL
-an untrained chimp could set it up
-did I mentioin it's free
-oh ya it's free BTW

OK..I'm done...ignore me at you peril ;-)

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RE: free mail server preferences

[Rick Faircloth]

Hi, Kevin...

I've been running the free version of SmarterMail, which
supports only one domain and want to be able to send
mail from multiple domains, but that requires the $200 version
of SmarterMail.

I went and checked out hMailServer on the website, and
while it looks good from the MySQL side, which I use,
I see a lot of talk about PHP in the forums, which I don't use...

Is hMailServer easy to use?  Someone said in an answer
on the forum that one user should "install" PHP...is that
software that has to be installed to process PHP code?

Perhaps I would save myself a lot of headaches and time
by just buying SmarterMail or going with MailEnable, which
supports multiple domains in the free standard version?

Thanks for your (and anyone else's) input...

Rick


> -Original Message-
> From: Kevin Aebig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 5:07 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: free mail server preferences
> 
> 
> hMailServer... great product and MySQL based.
> 
> !K
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: December 28, 2005 11:45 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: free mail server preferences
> 
> Setting up a new dev server, and I need a mail server that is free and 
> easy to set up.  It'll only be handling light loads for testing purposes 
> mostly.  Box is running Windows 2003.  What are your preferences?
> 
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RE: free mail server preferences

[Kevin Aebig]

hMailServer... great product and MySQL based.

!K

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Subject: free mail server preferences

Setting up a new dev server, and I need a mail server that is free and 
easy to set up.  It'll only be handling light loads for testing purposes 
mostly.  Box is running Windows 2003.  What are your preferences?

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Re: free mail server preferences

[John Paul Ashenfelter]

On 12/28/05, Bryan Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ArgoSoft Mail Server...damn simple!!

I'll add my vote for ArgoSoft as well. If memory serves though, the
free one requires you to be logged in to use it (doesn't run as a
service). Newer versions may be different than the one running on a
CF4.5/NT system where I've seen it :)

> Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
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RE: free mail server preferences

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> -Original Message-
> From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:45 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: free mail server preferences
> 
> Setting up a new dev server, and I need a mail server that is free and
> easy to set up.  It'll only be handling light loads for testing purposes
> mostly.  Box is running Windows 2003.  What are your preferences?

For sending out mail (SMTP) the SMTP server that comes with 2003 should do
the job, no?

I believe that SmarterMail is also free for a single domain (it's both an
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RE: free mail server preferences

[Snake]

I presume u want windows products.
Hmail, smartermail and mailenable are all available in free versions.

Russ 

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Re: free mail server preferences

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ArgoSoft Mail Server...damn simple!!

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RE: Free Mail Server

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I use it for pop3/imap/smtp server for a small userbase.
and smtp for cf server.

no real problems. firedaemon is convenient for creating multiple app run as 
services. I'd like some more web stuff, and will get around to installing 
squirrelmail/imap as a webclient.

Eric

From: "jon roig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Free Mail Server
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 19:35:24 -0500

Yeah I was able to create a "fake" service to run it -- but the process
was a little screwy -- I had to use a program called SRVANY, part of the w2k
resource kit

That said, it's held up to just about the worst abuse we could throw at
it -- we had it send 35,000 emails and deal with 7,000 bounces the other
day, and we didn't experience any problems.

Would I use it as replacement for outlook? Probably not... but for a backup
SMTP sending tool for out newsletters, it's worked pretty darn well.

-- jon

-Original Message-
From: Eric Dawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 2:39 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Free Mail Server


check out firedaemon.com as a service utility

also the discussion list for mercury is quite active - and a good resource
for questions.

Eric

From: "Phillip B" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Free Mail Server
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:05:50 -0600

I've been using Mercury mail for almost a year without any real problems.
Two things though, it doesn't run as a service and the support for it is not
that great. I'm looking for a new server because I'm not that happy with my
experiance.

Phillip B.

- Original Message -
From: "jon roig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 7:50 PM
Subject: RE: Free Mail Server


  > We've been very happy with mercury mail -- totally free, you can 
download
it
  > from pmail.com
  >
  > Does SMPT, POP... even finger, should you want it.
  >
  > -- jon
  >
  > -----Original Message-
  > From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 12:49 PM
  > To: CF-Talk
  > Subject: RE: Free Mail Server
  >
  >
  > I will second mail enable.
  >
  > Thanks!
  > Robert Bailey
  > Famous for nothing
  >
  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Kris Pilles [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 11:59 AM
  > To: CF-Talk
  > Subject: RE: Free Mail Server
  >
  >
  > Mail Enable
  >
  > Mailenable.com
  >
  > Nice product...
  >
  > Only $175 if you need webmail otherwise it is free
  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Paul Giesenhagen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 11:58 AM
  > To: CF-Talk
  > Subject: OT: Free Mail Server
  >
  >
  > Anyone know of a good free mail server?  (sorry for the ot, but as
  > always you'all know everything)
  >
  > Running on Windows2000 Advanced Server
  > IIS 5
  >
  > Paul Giesenhagen
  > QuillDesign
  >
  >
  >
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RE: Free Mail Server

[jon roig]

Yeah I was able to create a "fake" service to run it -- but the process
was a little screwy -- I had to use a program called SRVANY, part of the w2k
resource kit

That said, it's held up to just about the worst abuse we could throw at
it -- we had it send 35,000 emails and deal with 7,000 bounces the other
day, and we didn't experience any problems.

Would I use it as replacement for outlook? Probably not... but for a backup
SMTP sending tool for out newsletters, it's worked pretty darn well.

-- jon

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From: Eric Dawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 2:39 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Free Mail Server


check out firedaemon.com as a service utility

also the discussion list for mercury is quite active - and a good resource
for questions.

Eric

From: "Phillip B" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Free Mail Server
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:05:50 -0600

I've been using Mercury mail for almost a year without any real problems.
Two things though, it doesn't run as a service and the support for it is not
that great. I'm looking for a new server because I'm not that happy with my
experiance.

Phillip B.

- Original Message -
From: "jon roig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 7:50 PM
Subject: RE: Free Mail Server


 > We've been very happy with mercury mail -- totally free, you can download
it
 > from pmail.com
 >
 > Does SMPT, POP... even finger, should you want it.
 >
 > -- jon
 >
 > -Original Message-
 > From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 12:49 PM
 > To: CF-Talk
 > Subject: RE: Free Mail Server
 >
 >
 > I will second mail enable.
 >
 > Thanks!
 > Robert Bailey
 > Famous for nothing
 >
 >
 > -Original Message-
 > From: Kris Pilles [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 11:59 AM
 > To: CF-Talk
 > Subject: RE: Free Mail Server
 >
 >
 > Mail Enable
 >
 > Mailenable.com
 >
 > Nice product...
 >
 > Only $175 if you need webmail otherwise it is free
 >
 > -Original Message-
 > From: Paul Giesenhagen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 11:58 AM
 > To: CF-Talk
 > Subject: OT: Free Mail Server
 >
 >
 > Anyone know of a good free mail server?  (sorry for the ot, but as
 > always you'all know everything)
 >
 > Running on Windows2000 Advanced Server
 > IIS 5
 >
 > Paul Giesenhagen
 > QuillDesign
 >
 >
 >
 >


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Re: Free Mail Server

[Eric Dawson]

check out firedaemon.com as a service utility

also the discussion list for mercury is quite active - and a good resource 
for questions.

Eric

From: "Phillip B" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Free Mail Server
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:05:50 -0600

I've been using Mercury mail for almost a year without any real problems.
Two things though, it doesn't run as a service and the support for it is not
that great. I'm looking for a new server because I'm not that happy with my
experiance.

Phillip B.

- Original Message -
From: "jon roig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 7:50 PM
Subject: RE: Free Mail Server


 > We've been very happy with mercury mail -- totally free, you can download
it
 > from pmail.com
 >
 > Does SMPT, POP... even finger, should you want it.
 >
 > -- jon
 >
 > -Original Message-
 > From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 12:49 PM
 > To: CF-Talk
 > Subject: RE: Free Mail Server
 >
 >
 > I will second mail enable.
 >
 > Thanks!
 > Robert Bailey
 > Famous for nothing
 >
 >
 > -----Original Message-
 > From: Kris Pilles [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 11:59 AM
 > To: CF-Talk
 > Subject: RE: Free Mail Server
 >
 >
 > Mail Enable
 >
 > Mailenable.com
 >
 > Nice product...
 >
 > Only $175 if you need webmail otherwise it is free
 >
 > -Original Message-
 > From: Paul Giesenhagen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 11:58 AM
 > To: CF-Talk
 > Subject: OT: Free Mail Server
 >
 >
 > Anyone know of a good free mail server?  (sorry for the ot, but as
 > always you'all know everything)
 >
 > Running on Windows2000 Advanced Server
 > IIS 5
 >
 > Paul Giesenhagen
 > QuillDesign
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Re: Free Mail Server

[Phillip B]

I've been using Mercury mail for almost a year without any real problems.
Two things though, it doesn't run as a service and the support for it is not
that great. I'm looking for a new server because I'm not that happy with my
experiance.

Phillip B.

- Original Message -
From: "jon roig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 7:50 PM
Subject: RE: Free Mail Server


> We've been very happy with mercury mail -- totally free, you can download
it
> from pmail.com
>
> Does SMPT, POP... even finger, should you want it.
>
> -- jon
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 12:49 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Free Mail Server
>
>
> I will second mail enable.
>
> Thanks!
> Robert Bailey
> Famous for nothing
>
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: Kris Pilles [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 11:59 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Free Mail Server
>
>
> Mail Enable
>
> Mailenable.com
>
> Nice product...
>
> Only $175 if you need webmail otherwise it is free
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Giesenhagen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 11:58 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: OT: Free Mail Server
>
>
> Anyone know of a good free mail server?  (sorry for the ot, but as
> always you'all know everything)
>
> Running on Windows2000 Advanced Server
> IIS 5
>
> Paul Giesenhagen
> QuillDesign
>
>
>
> 
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RE: Free Mail Server

[jon roig]

We've been very happy with mercury mail -- totally free, you can download it
from pmail.com

Does SMPT, POP... even finger, should you want it.

-- jon

-Original Message-
From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 12:49 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Free Mail Server


I will second mail enable.

Thanks!
Robert Bailey
Famous for nothing


-Original Message-
From: Kris Pilles [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 11:59 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Free Mail Server


Mail Enable

Mailenable.com

Nice product...

Only $175 if you need webmail otherwise it is free

-Original Message-
From: Paul Giesenhagen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 11:58 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: Free Mail Server


Anyone know of a good free mail server?  (sorry for the ot, but as
always you'all know everything)

Running on Windows2000 Advanced Server
IIS 5

Paul Giesenhagen
QuillDesign



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RE: Free Mail Server

[Robert Bailey]

I will second mail enable.

Thanks!
Robert Bailey
Famous for nothing


-Original Message-
From: Kris Pilles [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 11:59 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Free Mail Server


Mail Enable

Mailenable.com

Nice product...

Only $175 if you need webmail otherwise it is free

-Original Message-
From: Paul Giesenhagen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 11:58 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: Free Mail Server


Anyone know of a good free mail server?  (sorry for the ot, but as
always you'all know everything)

Running on Windows2000 Advanced Server
IIS 5

Paul Giesenhagen
QuillDesign


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Re: Free Mail Server

[John Paul Ashenfelter]

I'll second this with a slight reservation -- the free version does not run
as a service. Of course you could use the Win Server toolkit tools to make
it a service, but I'd opt for the $50 version of ArgoSoft that's a little
more robust. Otherwise, you have to make sure you log into the server and
kick the job off which can be a pain when the server crashes at 3 AM...

That said, I have a client who's been using it (the free one) for about a
year since their ISP had problems managing their own mail server.

Regards,

John Paul Ashenfelter
CTO/Transitionpoint
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From: "Bryan Stevenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: Free Mail Server


> Depends how much it has to handle.  If you want it easy to setup for low
to
> medium traffic, I'd say go with ArGoSoft Mail Server (free).  You'll be up
> and running 5 minutes after download
>
> Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
> VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
> Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
> t. 250.920.8830
> e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> -
> Macromedia Associate Partner
> www.macromedia.com
> -
> Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group
> Founder & Director
> www.cfug-vancouverisland.com
> - Original Message -
> From: "Paul Giesenhagen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 8:57 AM
> Subject: OT: Free Mail Server
>
>
> > Anyone know of a good free mail server?  (sorry for the ot, but as
always
> you'all know everything)
> >
> > Running on Windows2000 Advanced Server
> > IIS 5
> >
> > Paul Giesenhagen
> > QuillDesign
> >
> 
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RE: Free Mail Server

[webguy]

ims : http://www.coolfusion.com/products/  very easy to use from CF
james : jakarta.apache.org


wg

-Original Message-
From: Kris Pilles [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 04 March 2003 16:59
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Free Mail Server


Mail Enable

Mailenable.com

Nice product...

Only $175 if you need webmail otherwise it is free

-Original Message-
From: Paul Giesenhagen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 11:58 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: Free Mail Server


Anyone know of a good free mail server?  (sorry for the ot, but as
always you'all know everything)

Running on Windows2000 Advanced Server
IIS 5

Paul Giesenhagen
QuillDesign


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Re: Free Mail Server

[Bryan Stevenson]

Depends how much it has to handle.  If you want it easy to setup for low to
medium traffic, I'd say go with ArGoSoft Mail Server (free).  You'll be up
and running 5 minutes after download

Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
t. 250.920.8830
e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-
Macromedia Associate Partner
www.macromedia.com
-
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Founder & Director
www.cfug-vancouverisland.com
- Original Message -
From: "Paul Giesenhagen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 8:57 AM
Subject: OT: Free Mail Server


> Anyone know of a good free mail server?  (sorry for the ot, but as always
you'all know everything)
>
> Running on Windows2000 Advanced Server
> IIS 5
>
> Paul Giesenhagen
> QuillDesign
> 
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RE: Free Mail Server

[Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)]

there is one in built to windows : SMTP service for sending anyway.

There is also Mailtraq.

-Original Message-
From: Paul Giesenhagen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 04 March 2003 16:58
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: Free Mail Server


Anyone know of a good free mail server?  (sorry for the ot, but as always
you'all know everything)

Running on Windows2000 Advanced Server
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Paul Giesenhagen
QuillDesign

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RE: Free Mail Server

[Kris Pilles]

Mail Enable

Mailenable.com

Nice product...

Only $175 if you need webmail otherwise it is free

-Original Message-
From: Paul Giesenhagen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 11:58 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: Free Mail Server


Anyone know of a good free mail server?  (sorry for the ot, but as
always you'all know everything)

Running on Windows2000 Advanced Server
IIS 5

Paul Giesenhagen
QuillDesign

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