Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:52:20 -0400, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - This one is more administrative. I want to look at something in another > system, say a test or production environments, or someone else's working > project, without losing my place in the current project. Not that I can't > find my way back :-), but it saves mouse clicks. Why not select the Link to Editor option (the double-arrow top right of the navigator)? Now whatever file you're editing is highlighted in the navigator. Then you navigate to your second project / file and when you're done just control-left-arrow to switch back to the previously viewed file and the navigator pane automatically jumps back to that file / project too. -- Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/ Team Fusebox -- http://www.fusebox.org/ Breeze Me! -- http://www.corfield.org/breezeme Got Gmail? -- I have 5 invites to give away! "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive." -- Margaret Atwood ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190573 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
but thats just opinions, its fine for me i learned on dw so i prefer it. homesite to me feels alien and cheap but then again i do the whole site and design not just the code and i couldnt see making a cssp in homesite without major frustration. u could say for the css to have say topstyle open and i could say if u dont like the folder layout in dw to just upen up the folder and click on the file u want and have it open up in dw. as for the panels, they can be moved, removed collapsed, whatever u want, heres even a nifty extension http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/exchange/index.cfm?promoid=home_short_exchange_052804#view=sn121&viewName=Dreamweaver%20Extension&loc=en_us&authorid=0&page=0&scrollPos=0&subcatid=0&snid=sn121&itemnumber=-1&extid=1021809&catid=0&promoid=home_short_exchange_052804 at least u have tools that are actually productive and u can use for diff languages, try that with the ms ide's. whats gunna happen is someone is gunna come out with a sweeet ide that really is nice for us all and ppl will still complain cause the color of the panels is wrong or they dont like the layout or something. no ones ever gunna be happy. like cfeclipse, i could see really working with it if it had a split view like dw. know what i mean? -- Original Message -- From: "Calvin Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:55:36 -0500 >Dave, your message is really difficult to read. > >I'm not sure that your assessment of Robert not knowing how to use >Dreamweaver is accurate at all. The reality is that there is a significant >amount of scrolling with that design for files and folders that simply isn't >necessary. > >My laptop is 1400 by 1050, and my workstation is 1280 by 1024, and both of >them involve a lot of scrolling that also results in disconnection from >where in the file structure you are. > > > > > >---adirectory >---mydirectory > >Is something similar to what I'm getting used to seeing in that panel. Of >course, if you want to actively use any of the other panels at the same >time, those panels also eat up that screen real estate. > >I don't think its great usability at all. I think Windows Explorer and >HomeSite are far better. > >- Calvin > >-Original Message- >From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 4:19 AM >To: CF-Talk >Subject: Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project? > >[quote]I think it represents very poor usability. Here we spend all this >time learning to build usable Web sites that don't scroll, and we end up >with an IDE with endless scrolling. It would be really cool if the panes >were detachable.[/quote] >u just dont know how to use it, if u dont want the panes there then move >them, pretty easy. just as much screen room on there as in hs. >maybe adjust your browser past 800 x 600 >i just got a new lcd that runs on 1200 x 1024 or whatever and unless the >page is pretty dam long u wont be scrolling > >i think its great usability, i got to hs probably feel like u guys do with >dw > > > ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190533 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
Robert Munn wrote: > OK, you have my interest now. I've just spent most of the morning playing > around with the configuration on my desktop at work. :) > > >>I've used Quantum and JFaceDBC. Both >> >>did all I needed, but I found setting up drivers a bit of a pain, so >>I'm >>always looking for better alternatives to point people to. I currently >> >>use Quantum. > > > I have installed Quantum, I just have the JDBC-ODBC driver installed right > now, and it seems to have issues with my current config. I'll play with this > later. ok, let us know if you run into any issues. > > > >>>- Multiple file/folder panes. Maybe I'm lazy but I find the two >> >>file/folder pane feature of HS+ to be really convenient. That was such >>a big deal when it was added to HS+. >> >>We have talked about this and we're still looking for use cases to see >> >>exactly how people currently use it. It could very well be that we can >> >>do something better by adding features to a single view. The most >>common >>use case is people wanting to keep track of where they are in the file >> >>system when working with multiple files. We already have a right-click >> >>menu option that allows you to find the current file in either the >>navigator view or the file explorer view. >> >>What do you use the multiple views for? > > > I use multiple panes for a variety of things, but here are a couple of > examples: > > - I'm writing a bit of code and I need a function that I know I have written > before or that I have sitting around somewhere. I normally work in the > Project pane, so I can use a File pane to go look for the file that has the > function I need and I don't have to lose my place in my project. Currently (In the latest nightly builds that is) you can right-click in the editor and choose locate in Navigator View or Locate in File Explorer view. Does that provide an acceptable alternative to having multiple views? > > - Similar to above, I want to use a custom tag/UDF, etc. and I don't remember > its structure. Over to the File pane to find it. I can see the sense in this, but again, right-click to find the current file in either navigator view or file explorer view will allow you to quickly jump around in the file system without needing a second view. The only case I can think of that it wouldn't solve is if you were creating links to files in your code (cfinclude, img, href, link for example) and you couldn't remember the name of the files you were linking to. Going back and forth would definitely be easier with a second file view, but I'm inclined to think that we could probably solve that one more elegantly anyhow. > > - This one is more administrative. I want to look at something in another > system, say a test or production environments, or someone else's working > project, without losing my place in the current project. Not that I can't > find my way back :-), but it saves mouse clicks. Sounds like the right-click option would solve this one too. > > I have been thinking for awhile that there is no good configuration > management tool for dev/test/production web apps in CF. I use the Archive and > Deploy features in CF Admin, but there are limits to what it can do. You > can't build an archive on one system and deploy it to another from a single > interface, for instance. That whole thing is really a separate project from a > CF IDE, but it matches the thinking of part of the Eclipse project where > people are building administrative tools in the Eclipse platform. Eclipse SDK comes with ANT which is a very powerful tool for deploying to servers. CF admin configuration is a bit trickier, and I agree that it would be good to be able to do this from within Eclipse. Either as part of cfeclipse or as a separate plugin. > > >>>- Split file/folder panes. Possible with CFE today? The DW layout >> >>really bugs me, and personally I think it represents very poor >>usability. Here we spend all this time learning to build usable Web >>sites that don't scroll, and we end up with an IDE with endless >>scrolling. It would be really cool if the panes were detachable. >> >>We already have split file/folder in the file explorer view and we >>plan >>to create a new project navigator view that can work this way as well >>as >>having ftp support in the context menu. > > > Is the split view feature released? I can't find it, but I'm in the Project > Navigator and I have mapped my project to the VSS provider below. It's in the latest nightly builds, but not in the most recent release. > > >>>- VSS integration >> >>There is a VSS plugin available here: >> >>http://sourceforge.net/projects/vssplugin/ >> >>I don't use VSS, so I can't comment on whether it's any good or not. >> >>Have you tried it? > > > Now I have, it looks OK. I had to switch to 3.1 M3 to get it to work, and now > the JS editor and CSS Editor aren't working. I'm not sure if a lot of the plug
Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
OK, you have my interest now. I've just spent most of the morning playing around with the configuration on my desktop at work. > I've used Quantum and JFaceDBC. Both > > did all I needed, but I found setting up drivers a bit of a pain, so > I'm > always looking for better alternatives to point people to. I currently > > use Quantum. I have installed Quantum, I just have the JDBC-ODBC driver installed right now, and it seems to have issues with my current config. I'll play with this later. > > - Multiple file/folder panes. Maybe I'm lazy but I find the two > file/folder pane feature of HS+ to be really convenient. That was such > a big deal when it was added to HS+. > > We have talked about this and we're still looking for use cases to see > > exactly how people currently use it. It could very well be that we can > > do something better by adding features to a single view. The most > common > use case is people wanting to keep track of where they are in the file > > system when working with multiple files. We already have a right-click > > menu option that allows you to find the current file in either the > navigator view or the file explorer view. > > What do you use the multiple views for? I use multiple panes for a variety of things, but here are a couple of examples: - I'm writing a bit of code and I need a function that I know I have written before or that I have sitting around somewhere. I normally work in the Project pane, so I can use a File pane to go look for the file that has the function I need and I don't have to lose my place in my project. - Similar to above, I want to use a custom tag/UDF, etc. and I don't remember its structure. Over to the File pane to find it. - This one is more administrative. I want to look at something in another system, say a test or production environments, or someone else's working project, without losing my place in the current project. Not that I can't find my way back :-), but it saves mouse clicks. I have been thinking for awhile that there is no good configuration management tool for dev/test/production web apps in CF. I use the Archive and Deploy features in CF Admin, but there are limits to what it can do. You can't build an archive on one system and deploy it to another from a single interface, for instance. That whole thing is really a separate project from a CF IDE, but it matches the thinking of part of the Eclipse project where people are building administrative tools in the Eclipse platform. > > > > - Split file/folder panes. Possible with CFE today? The DW layout > really bugs me, and personally I think it represents very poor > usability. Here we spend all this time learning to build usable Web > sites that don't scroll, and we end up with an IDE with endless > scrolling. It would be really cool if the panes were detachable. > > > > We already have split file/folder in the file explorer view and we > plan > to create a new project navigator view that can work this way as well > as > having ftp support in the context menu. Is the split view feature released? I can't find it, but I'm in the Project Navigator and I have mapped my project to the VSS provider below. > > - VSS integration > > There is a VSS plugin available here: > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/vssplugin/ > > I don't use VSS, so I can't comment on whether it's any good or not. > > Have you tried it? Now I have, it looks OK. I had to switch to 3.1 M3 to get it to work, and now the JS editor and CSS Editor aren't working. > We have an Outline view that does something similar to the Tag > Inspector. We could certainly expand it to cover some more of the > feature set of the Tag Inspector if enough people want it. Looks good. The main thing I like about Tag Inspector is Flow Control. Very useful. > That's a pretty reasonable request and we've been chatting about > providing a packaged solution. > > I presume by now you've seen Rob's blog: > > http://www.robrohan.com/blog/index. > cfm?mode=entry&entry=14994065-D86C-DE08-A0395AD015D50C8B > > We're also working on the documentation and troubleshooting side of > things. That would be very useful. Overall I am very encouraged by what I see, especially with the VSS plugin (the lack of which was a deal-breaker before). What I see and read is that, because all the plugin development teams work on their own with loose coordination with the Eclipse platform team, it can be tricky to get all the plugins you need on an Eclipse build where everything works. I will happily submit my configuration as an example of what to do once I can get everything smoothed out, and I am going to give CFE a go here for a few days and see what other feedback I can provide. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=
RE: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
J said: "And yeah, after reading Sean's post about the wishlist and bugfix pages, I'll do that. " Yeps, let's have a lot more of that, flood MM with our gripes and suggestions so they really know what bugs us and what would make our work flow better with their products :) ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190477 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
Dreamweaver has the find the current file option as well, This changes the focus of the file panel and results in losing your place in the file structure, which is also undesirable when you just want to know what file you are in. Of course if there were multiple file panels, maybe this wouldn't be as potentially disruptive. The other value of dividing the files and folders is quickness of navigation and being able to easily see where in the file structure you are in the file panel itself. - Calvin -Original Message- From: Spike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 11:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project? Robert Munn wrote: > Spike, > > Glad to see you are actively soliciting input. Here's my list: > > - A good data browser. Sean suggested DBEdit, I'll have a look at it. There are quite a few out there. I've used Quantum and JFaceDBC. Both did all I needed, but I found setting up drivers a bit of a pain, so I'm always looking for better alternatives to point people to. I currently use Quantum. > > - Multiple file/folder panes. Maybe I'm lazy but I find the two file/folder pane feature of HS+ to be really convenient. That was such a big deal when it was added to HS+. We have talked about this and we're still looking for use cases to see exactly how people currently use it. It could very well be that we can do something better by adding features to a single view. The most common use case is people wanting to keep track of where they are in the file system when working with multiple files. We already have a right-click menu option that allows you to find the current file in either the navigator view or the file explorer view. What do you use the multiple views for? > > - Split file/folder panes. Possible with CFE today? The DW layout really bugs me, and personally I think it represents very poor usability. Here we spend all this time learning to build usable Web sites that don't scroll, and we end up with an IDE with endless scrolling. It would be really cool if the panes were detachable. > We already have split file/folder in the file explorer view and we plan to create a new project navigator view that can work this way as well as having ftp support in the context menu. > - VSS integration There is a VSS plugin available here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/vssplugin/ I don't use VSS, so I can't comment on whether it's any good or not. Have you tried it? > > - Something like the Tag Inspector pane in HS+. I don't use it all THAT often, but I find it comes in really handy on occasion, especially when looking at someone else's code. We have an Outline view that does something similar to the Tag Inspector. We could certainly expand it to cover some more of the feature set of the Tag Inspector if enough people want it. > > - The current top 10 on CFEclipse look good,although I would have put the CFC thing lower given that the server can do that already. ok. > > Most of all, above everything else, I would like a system that is well documented and comes with an easy-to-install, well understood baseline package. I have downloaded and setup Eclipse on a bunch of machines, and yet I just downloaded it (3.01) to install on my laptop and I got a "JVM terminated. Exit code=1" error. I have no idea what that means and I'm not inclined to look right now. I need a package I can download that will just work when I install it. > That's a pretty reasonable request and we've been chatting about providing a packaged solution. I presume by now you've seen Rob's blog: http://www.robrohan.com/blog/index.cfm?mode=entry&entry=14994065-D86C-DE08-A 0395AD015D50C8B We're also working on the documentation and troubleshooting side of things. Spike > > > > ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190474 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
I have been using VSS plugin and so far it has been great on CFE. On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:34:45 -0800, Spike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Robert Munn wrote: > > Spike, > > > > Glad to see you are actively soliciting input. Here's my list: > > > > - A good data browser. Sean suggested DBEdit, I'll have a look at it. > > There are quite a few out there. I've used Quantum and JFaceDBC. Both > did all I needed, but I found setting up drivers a bit of a pain, so I'm > always looking for better alternatives to point people to. I currently > use Quantum. > > > > > - Multiple file/folder panes. Maybe I'm lazy but I find the two file/folder > > pane feature of HS+ to be really convenient. That was such a big deal when > > it was added to HS+. > > We have talked about this and we're still looking for use cases to see > exactly how people currently use it. It could very well be that we can > do something better by adding features to a single view. The most common > use case is people wanting to keep track of where they are in the file > system when working with multiple files. We already have a right-click > menu option that allows you to find the current file in either the > navigator view or the file explorer view. > > What do you use the multiple views for? > > > > > - Split file/folder panes. Possible with CFE today? The DW layout really > > bugs me, and personally I think it represents very poor usability. Here we > > spend all this time learning to build usable Web sites that don't scroll, > > and we end up with an IDE with endless scrolling. It would be really cool > > if the panes were detachable. > > > > We already have split file/folder in the file explorer view and we plan > to create a new project navigator view that can work this way as well as > having ftp support in the context menu. > > > - VSS integration > > There is a VSS plugin available here: > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/vssplugin/ > > I don't use VSS, so I can't comment on whether it's any good or not. > > Have you tried it? > > > > > - Something like the Tag Inspector pane in HS+. I don't use it all THAT > > often, but I find it comes in really handy on occasion, especially when > > looking at someone else's code. > > We have an Outline view that does something similar to the Tag > Inspector. We could certainly expand it to cover some more of the > feature set of the Tag Inspector if enough people want it. > > > > > - The current top 10 on CFEclipse look good,although I would have put the > > CFC thing lower given that the server can do that already. > > ok. > > > > > Most of all, above everything else, I would like a system that is well > > documented and comes with an easy-to-install, well understood baseline > > package. I have downloaded and setup Eclipse on a bunch of machines, and > > yet I just downloaded it (3.01) to install on my laptop and I got a "JVM > > terminated. Exit code=1" error. I have no idea what that means and I'm not > > inclined to look right now. I need a package I can download that will just > > work when I install it. > > > > That's a pretty reasonable request and we've been chatting about > providing a packaged solution. > > I presume by now you've seen Rob's blog: > > http://www.robrohan.com/blog/index.cfm?mode=entry&entry=14994065-D86C-DE08-A0395AD015D50C8B > > We're also working on the documentation and troubleshooting side of things. > > Spike > > > > > > > > > > > ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190470 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
There's a few things that I've been frustrated with about both CFS, HS+, and DW... but like Spike said... "working" is subjective. If they say "it does this and costs this much" and you pay that much and it does... then it "works." And DWMX 2k4 is FAR superior to DWMX. Upgrade if you can. There's some things that just don't make sense to me about DW 2k4, though. Like the lack of integration between the Behaviors tab, cfinput tags, and CFMX's built-in JS validation generator. Those things are linked for us, directly linked, and to have DW refuse to recognize a named CFINPUT tag, a named CFFORM tag, etc., really struck me as being "broken" or even "incomplete." But, I use both DW 2k4 and HS+, in tandem, and I don't mind either one. I mean, there's things about every IDE that I hate, or dislike, or am annoyed by, or had to learn to work around. When someone invents the perfect IDE for something, please let me know and I'll give you every bit of money I can scrape together for it. I think HS:neural would be cool... HomeSite with a neural interface... nifty. Another thing that just never made any sense is the fact that desktop integration for RDS/FTP is built in, but you can't use it for anything but browsing. Why on earth do I want a Macromedia RDS&FTP icon in my computer when I can't use it to upload or download files? Maybe I've been doing something wrong all these years, but for me, even back in the CFStudio 4.0 days... it never friggin worked right. And yeah, after reading Sean's post about the wishlist and bugfix pages, I'll do that. I think these things seem so obvious to me that the fact that they don't work as expected leaves me feeling a little... suspicious or disgusted... but I'm an adaptable guy, and since I have a place to make my beef known, I'll take it there. Laterz, J PS - Next post: visual tools I'd like to see. -- Continuum Media Group LLC Burnsville, MN 55337 http://www.web-relevant.com On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:34:45 -0800, Spike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I presume by now you've seen Rob's blog: > > http://www.robrohan.com/blog/index.cfm?mode=entry&entry=14994065-D86C-DE08-A0395AD015D50C8B > > We're also working on the documentation and troubleshooting side of things. > > Spike ~| Purchase RoboHelp from House of Fusion, a Macromedia Authorized Affiliate and support the CF community. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=59 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190466 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
Robert Munn wrote: > Spike, > > Glad to see you are actively soliciting input. Here's my list: > > - A good data browser. Sean suggested DBEdit, I'll have a look at it. There are quite a few out there. I've used Quantum and JFaceDBC. Both did all I needed, but I found setting up drivers a bit of a pain, so I'm always looking for better alternatives to point people to. I currently use Quantum. > > - Multiple file/folder panes. Maybe I'm lazy but I find the two file/folder > pane feature of HS+ to be really convenient. That was such a big deal when it > was added to HS+. We have talked about this and we're still looking for use cases to see exactly how people currently use it. It could very well be that we can do something better by adding features to a single view. The most common use case is people wanting to keep track of where they are in the file system when working with multiple files. We already have a right-click menu option that allows you to find the current file in either the navigator view or the file explorer view. What do you use the multiple views for? > > - Split file/folder panes. Possible with CFE today? The DW layout really bugs > me, and personally I think it represents very poor usability. Here we spend > all this time learning to build usable Web sites that don't scroll, and we > end up with an IDE with endless scrolling. It would be really cool if the > panes were detachable. > We already have split file/folder in the file explorer view and we plan to create a new project navigator view that can work this way as well as having ftp support in the context menu. > - VSS integration There is a VSS plugin available here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/vssplugin/ I don't use VSS, so I can't comment on whether it's any good or not. Have you tried it? > > - Something like the Tag Inspector pane in HS+. I don't use it all THAT > often, but I find it comes in really handy on occasion, especially when > looking at someone else's code. We have an Outline view that does something similar to the Tag Inspector. We could certainly expand it to cover some more of the feature set of the Tag Inspector if enough people want it. > > - The current top 10 on CFEclipse look good,although I would have put the CFC > thing lower given that the server can do that already. ok. > > Most of all, above everything else, I would like a system that is well > documented and comes with an easy-to-install, well understood baseline > package. I have downloaded and setup Eclipse on a bunch of machines, and yet > I just downloaded it (3.01) to install on my laptop and I got a "JVM > terminated. Exit code=1" error. I have no idea what that means and I'm not > inclined to look right now. I need a package I can download that will just > work when I install it. > That's a pretty reasonable request and we've been chatting about providing a packaged solution. I presume by now you've seen Rob's blog: http://www.robrohan.com/blog/index.cfm?mode=entry&entry=14994065-D86C-DE08-A0395AD015D50C8B We're also working on the documentation and troubleshooting side of things. Spike > > > > ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190459 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
Rob, This is awesome! Has anyone done the same for the Windows build? Yours helps me on my home machine, but work is an XP environment. Bob > For anyone in this situation, I have posted an eclipse "build" of > sorts on my blog that has CFML, PHP, CSS, JS, XML, and SQL support. > Its big 101MB but it has all the plugins and JDBC drivers for MySQL, > Postgres and MSSql. > > http://www.robrohan.com/blog/index. > cfm?mode=entry&entry=14994065-D86C-DE08-A0395AD015D50C8B > > If you think you'd like to see this, please let us know either on the > cfeclipse list or my blog. If we get enough interest we'll probably > do it ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190426 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
In CFEclipse, Spike added the CFStudio style Explorer, does this help people? I have got my head round using projects and tend to not use this explorer too much (I guess its a matter of preference) IMHO having TWO of these is nuts. you have a project view already (where your site should be in theory) and then the Explorer view that allows you to view local files and do FTP actions. A note on the snippets, if you are used to donig CTRL+space for code completion already you can map the instert snippet action to this too which makes it really intuitive "fusedoc CTRL + space " for example just rocks my boat I love the idea of doing "CTRL + i " list of snippets (like code completion) + . Saves my dumb Homer like brain from remembering the quazillion shortcuts, although havnig said that there are a couple that I do love in CFE, that if they are equivalents in DW I havent spotted Ctrl + Shift + d = surround with Ctrl + d = delete line (bye bye CFDUMP) Ctrl + E = show list of open documents (then you can put the first leter of the document and it filters by it) The nice thing about the list of documents in CFE is that they are done in name + path that II find very useful (especially if you do fusebox as I have fbx_Switches by the stack) Anyway, to each his own but I only use CFStudio now as it has the best documentation on it MD On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:55:36 -0500, Calvin Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dave, your message is really difficult to read. > > I'm not sure that your assessment of Robert not knowing how to use > Dreamweaver is accurate at all. The reality is that there is a significant > amount of scrolling with that design for files and folders that simply isn't > necessary. > > My laptop is 1400 by 1050, and my workstation is 1280 by 1024, and both of > them involve a lot of scrolling that also results in disconnection from > where in the file structure you are. > > > > > > ---adirectory > ---mydirectory > > Is something similar to what I'm getting used to seeing in that panel. Of > course, if you want to actively use any of the other panels at the same > time, those panels also eat up that screen real estate. > > I don't think its great usability at all. I think Windows Explorer and > HomeSite are far better. > > - Calvin > > -----Original Message- > From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 4:19 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project? > > [quote]I think it represents very poor usability. Here we spend all this > time learning to build usable Web sites that don't scroll, and we end up > with an IDE with endless scrolling. It would be really cool if the panes > were detachable.[/quote] > u just dont know how to use it, if u dont want the panes there then move > them, pretty easy. just as much screen room on there as in hs. > maybe adjust your browser past 800 x 600 > i just got a new lcd that runs on 1200 x 1024 or whatever and unless the > page is pretty dam long u wont be scrolling > > i think its great usability, i got to hs probably feel like u guys do with > dw > > ~| Stay Ahead of Hackers - Download ZoneAlarm Pro http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=65 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190423 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
Dave, your message is really difficult to read. I'm not sure that your assessment of Robert not knowing how to use Dreamweaver is accurate at all. The reality is that there is a significant amount of scrolling with that design for files and folders that simply isn't necessary. My laptop is 1400 by 1050, and my workstation is 1280 by 1024, and both of them involve a lot of scrolling that also results in disconnection from where in the file structure you are. ---adirectory ---mydirectory Is something similar to what I'm getting used to seeing in that panel. Of course, if you want to actively use any of the other panels at the same time, those panels also eat up that screen real estate. I don't think its great usability at all. I think Windows Explorer and HomeSite are far better. - Calvin -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 4:19 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project? [quote]I think it represents very poor usability. Here we spend all this time learning to build usable Web sites that don't scroll, and we end up with an IDE with endless scrolling. It would be really cool if the panes were detachable.[/quote] u just dont know how to use it, if u dont want the panes there then move them, pretty easy. just as much screen room on there as in hs. maybe adjust your browser past 800 x 600 i just got a new lcd that runs on 1200 x 1024 or whatever and unless the page is pretty dam long u wont be scrolling i think its great usability, i got to hs probably feel like u guys do with dw ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190413 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
That would be in reverse of the current behaviour, but no more keystrokes ideally. ctrl+i, then cff cff, then ctrl+i I like that idea so far! Calvin -Original Message- From: Spike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 6:39 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project? If you want to insert a snippet wrapped around some text you can browse to the snippet you want in the snippets view, select the text you want to wrap, and double-click on the snippet you want to insert. You can't insert snippets via a keyboard shortcut, but we could probably figure out a way to make that work. One possibility being if you have something selected and type ctrl+i it pops up a dialog asking you for the trigger text for the snippet to insert. There are other ways we could do it, but that's one that springs to mind. Spike Calvin Ward wrote: > I have to agree with Spike, it sounds like trigger text is far more flexible > and powerful than just snippets with shortcuts. > > Having said that, what about wraparound snippets? > > - Calvin > > -Original Message- > From: Paul Malan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 6:16 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project? > > >>For each snippet you can assign a set trigger trigger characters such as >>"cff" for a snippet that inserts a cffunction block. When you type that >>trigger followed by ctrl+i it will insert the snippet and prompt you for >>any custom snippet variables in the snippet. You can configure a >>different shortcut to use instead of ctrl+i. > > > That's something I could probably adapt to... Are there plans to > adopt assignable keyboard shortcuts in future versions, or will these > trigger characters be the only available functionality long term? > > > > ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190410 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
[quote]I think it represents very poor usability. Here we spend all this time learning to build usable Web sites that don't scroll, and we end up with an IDE with endless scrolling. It would be really cool if the panes were detachable.[/quote] u just dont know how to use it, if u dont want the panes there then move them, pretty easy. just as much screen room on there as in hs. maybe adjust your browser past 800 x 600 i just got a new lcd that runs on 1200 x 1024 or whatever and unless the page is pretty dam long u wont be scrolling i think its great usability, i got to hs probably feel like u guys do with dw -- Original Message -- From: Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 03:51:24 -0400 >Spike, > >Glad to see you are actively soliciting input. Here's my list: > >- A good data browser. Sean suggested DBEdit, I'll have a look at it. > >- Multiple file/folder panes. Maybe I'm lazy but I find the two file/folder >pane feature of HS+ to be really convenient. That was such a big deal when it >was added to HS+. > >- Split file/folder panes. Possible with CFE today? The DW layout really bugs >me, and personally I think it represents very poor usability. Here we spend >all this time learning to build usable Web sites that don't scroll, and we end >up with an IDE with endless scrolling. It would be really cool if the panes >were detachable. > >- VSS integration > >- Something like the Tag Inspector pane in HS+. I don't use it all THAT often, >but I find it comes in really handy on occasion, especially when looking at >someone else's code. > >- The current top 10 on CFEclipse look good,although I would have put the CFC >thing lower given that the server can do that already. > >Most of all, above everything else, I would like a system that is well >documented and comes with an easy-to-install, well understood baseline >package. I have downloaded and setup Eclipse on a bunch of machines, and yet I >just downloaded it (3.01) to install on my laptop and I got a "JVM terminated. >Exit code=1" error. I have no idea what that means and I'm not inclined to >look right now. I need a package I can download that will just work when I >install it. > > > > > ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190402 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
Spike, Glad to see you are actively soliciting input. Here's my list: - A good data browser. Sean suggested DBEdit, I'll have a look at it. - Multiple file/folder panes. Maybe I'm lazy but I find the two file/folder pane feature of HS+ to be really convenient. That was such a big deal when it was added to HS+. - Split file/folder panes. Possible with CFE today? The DW layout really bugs me, and personally I think it represents very poor usability. Here we spend all this time learning to build usable Web sites that don't scroll, and we end up with an IDE with endless scrolling. It would be really cool if the panes were detachable. - VSS integration - Something like the Tag Inspector pane in HS+. I don't use it all THAT often, but I find it comes in really handy on occasion, especially when looking at someone else's code. - The current top 10 on CFEclipse look good,although I would have put the CFC thing lower given that the server can do that already. Most of all, above everything else, I would like a system that is well documented and comes with an easy-to-install, well understood baseline package. I have downloaded and setup Eclipse on a bunch of machines, and yet I just downloaded it (3.01) to install on my laptop and I got a "JVM terminated. Exit code=1" error. I have no idea what that means and I'm not inclined to look right now. I need a package I can download that will just work when I install it. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190401 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
For anyone in this situation, I have posted an eclipse "build" of sorts on my blog that has CFML, PHP, CSS, JS, XML, and SQL support. Its big 101MB but it has all the plugins and JDBC drivers for MySQL, Postgres and MSSql. http://www.robrohan.com/blog/index.cfm?mode=entry&entry=14994065-D86C-DE08-A0395AD015D50C8B If you think you'd like to see this, please let us know either on the cfeclipse list or my blog. If we get enough interest we'll probably do it Cheers, Rob On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:07:16 -0500, Damien McKenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Rob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > I can't help but think you are talking about CFEclipse. What happened? > > What do you mean not hosting their files correctly? > > I do development with CFML and PHP, along with the requisite XHTML, XML, > CSS and JS. I need an editor that can work with all of these. Trying > to get all of the required plugins for Eclipse working simultaneously > was a mess. It seems that it would work better if each project made its > files available as an Eclipse file repository but few do. Until that's > made easier I'm just not going to touch it, its too much of a waste of > time. > > -- > Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 > #include > > ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190396 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
If you want to insert a snippet wrapped around some text you can browse to the snippet you want in the snippets view, select the text you want to wrap, and double-click on the snippet you want to insert. You can't insert snippets via a keyboard shortcut, but we could probably figure out a way to make that work. One possibility being if you have something selected and type ctrl+i it pops up a dialog asking you for the trigger text for the snippet to insert. There are other ways we could do it, but that's one that springs to mind. Spike Calvin Ward wrote: > I have to agree with Spike, it sounds like trigger text is far more flexible > and powerful than just snippets with shortcuts. > > Having said that, what about wraparound snippets? > > - Calvin > > -Original Message- > From: Paul Malan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 6:16 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project? > > >>For each snippet you can assign a set trigger trigger characters such as >>"cff" for a snippet that inserts a cffunction block. When you type that >>trigger followed by ctrl+i it will insert the snippet and prompt you for >>any custom snippet variables in the snippet. You can configure a >>different shortcut to use instead of ctrl+i. > > > That's something I could probably adapt to... Are there plans to > adopt assignable keyboard shortcuts in future versions, or will these > trigger characters be the only available functionality long term? > > > > ~| Purchase Studio MX with Flash Pro from House of Fusion, a Macromedia Authorized Affiliate and support the CF community. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=51 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190347 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
Will triggers automatically wrap around a hightlighted section of code? Trigger characters have been in CF Studio/HS for a long time, though they are called "Code Templates". Just enter a couple of trigger letters and then "crtl+j". For those who do not know: To add a "Code Templates" in CF Studio/HS, go to Options > Setting > Code Templates. >You can't assign keyboard shortcuts to snippets in exactly the same way >as you can in Homesite, but you can do something that is potentially >much more powerful. > >For each snippet you can assign a set trigger trigger characters such as >"cff" for a snippet that inserts a cffunction block. When you type that >trigger followed by ctrl+i it will insert the snippet and prompt you for >any custom snippet variables in the snippet. You can configure a >different shortcut to use instead of ctrl+i. > >The reason that this is much more powerful is that it allows you to have >an infinite number of snippets assigned to shortcuts without having to >sacrifice existing keyboard shortcuts. It does require typing an extra >character or two, so your mileage may vary. > >Spike > >Paul Malan wrote: >> ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190346 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
The problem that we ran into with this was that Eclipse requires you to have a Java class that gets called for each keyboard shortcut. That makes it kinda tricky to allow you to assign any keyboard shortcut to any arbitrary action since the class would have to be generated on the fly. Either that or we'd have to rewrite a fairly significant chunk of the keyboard shortcut handling in Eclipse. Neither of those options was particularly appealing, so we went with the trigger text idea. Spike Paul Malan wrote: >>For each snippet you can assign a set trigger trigger characters such as >>"cff" for a snippet that inserts a cffunction block. When you type that >>trigger followed by ctrl+i it will insert the snippet and prompt you for >>any custom snippet variables in the snippet. You can configure a >>different shortcut to use instead of ctrl+i. > > > That's something I could probably adapt to... Are there plans to > adopt assignable keyboard shortcuts in future versions, or will these > trigger characters be the only available functionality long term? > > ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190345 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
I have to agree with Spike, it sounds like trigger text is far more flexible and powerful than just snippets with shortcuts. Having said that, what about wraparound snippets? - Calvin -Original Message- From: Paul Malan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 6:16 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project? > For each snippet you can assign a set trigger trigger characters such as > "cff" for a snippet that inserts a cffunction block. When you type that > trigger followed by ctrl+i it will insert the snippet and prompt you for > any custom snippet variables in the snippet. You can configure a > different shortcut to use instead of ctrl+i. That's something I could probably adapt to... Are there plans to adopt assignable keyboard shortcuts in future versions, or will these trigger characters be the only available functionality long term? ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190343 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
> For each snippet you can assign a set trigger trigger characters such as > "cff" for a snippet that inserts a cffunction block. When you type that > trigger followed by ctrl+i it will insert the snippet and prompt you for > any custom snippet variables in the snippet. You can configure a > different shortcut to use instead of ctrl+i. That's something I could probably adapt to... Are there plans to adopt assignable keyboard shortcuts in future versions, or will these trigger characters be the only available functionality long term? ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190342 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
You can't assign keyboard shortcuts to snippets in exactly the same way as you can in Homesite, but you can do something that is potentially much more powerful. For each snippet you can assign a set trigger trigger characters such as "cff" for a snippet that inserts a cffunction block. When you type that trigger followed by ctrl+i it will insert the snippet and prompt you for any custom snippet variables in the snippet. You can configure a different shortcut to use instead of ctrl+i. The reason that this is much more powerful is that it allows you to have an infinite number of snippets assigned to shortcuts without having to sacrifice existing keyboard shortcuts. It does require typing an extra character or two, so your mileage may vary. Spike Paul Malan wrote: > I was ready to make the switch from HS+ to CFE until I saw an > enhancement request on Tigris that led me to believe you can't assign > your own keyboard shortcuts to tags and snippets. That alone was > enough for me to snuggle back up with Homesite+... > > > On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:23:21 -0400, Stan Winchester > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>I would like to be able to right click on tags to open a tag editor like >>in HS. >> >>It would be nice if HS/CF Studio snippets could be imported. >> >> >>>Hi Robert, >>> >>>Can you give some more details on what would need to mature in cfeclipse >>>before you would switch to it? >>> >>>Spike >>> >>>Robert Munn wrote: >>> >> > > ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190341 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:47:13 -0700, Paul Malan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was ready to make the switch from HS+ to CFE until I saw an > enhancement request on Tigris that led me to believe you can't assign > your own keyboard shortcuts to tags and snippets. That alone was > enough for me to snuggle back up with Homesite+... > Its true you cannot assign key short cuts to snippets. You can make "trigger text" which handle most case for example you can assign ab to snippet and then type ab[ctrl+i] and it will become - there are some other features that go along with trigger text, and most basic key bindings exist already (like ctrl+3, ctrl+shift+m ctrl+o (for cfoutput), etc), but it is true you can just assign, say, ctrl+g to something. > On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:23:21 -0400, Stan Winchester > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I would like to be able to right click on tags to open a tag editor like > > in HS. > > > > It would be nice if HS/CF Studio snippets could be imported. > > > > >Hi Robert, > > > > > >Can you give some more details on what would need to mature in cfeclipse > > >before you would switch to it? > > > > > >Spike > > > > > >Robert Munn wrote: > > >> > > > > > > ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190339 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
I was ready to make the switch from HS+ to CFE until I saw an enhancement request on Tigris that led me to believe you can't assign your own keyboard shortcuts to tags and snippets. That alone was enough for me to snuggle back up with Homesite+... On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:23:21 -0400, Stan Winchester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would like to be able to right click on tags to open a tag editor like > in HS. > > It would be nice if HS/CF Studio snippets could be imported. > > >Hi Robert, > > > >Can you give some more details on what would need to mature in cfeclipse > >before you would switch to it? > > > >Spike > > > >Robert Munn wrote: > >> > > ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190337 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
I would like to be able to right click on tags to open a tag editor like in HS. It would be nice if HS/CF Studio snippets could be imported. >Hi Robert, > >Can you give some more details on what would need to mature in cfeclipse >before you would switch to it? > >Spike > >Robert Munn wrote: >> ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190335 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
Hi Robert, Can you give some more details on what would need to mature in cfeclipse before you would switch to it? Spike Robert Munn wrote: > Homesite+ is legacy code, a Windows-only IDE. Supporting CFEclipse or > DreamWeaver enhancements to add in the features that you like about HS+ is a > more realistic goal, IMHO. I like HS+, but it no longer makes sense to > support platform-dependent environments. I'd love to use Linux as my desktop > OS for development, but I'm still hooked into HS+ until CFE matures or > someone else comes along with another product. > > I think it's a worthy goal to work on stuff like syntax highlighters for HS+, > but what is the size of the audience for something like PHP support in HS+? I > just don't think you'll get any traction. > > >>Would it be worthwhile starting a Sourceforge project to promote >>Homesite and to centralize development of Homesite enhancements? >> >>I'm personally sick of Dreamweaver, I don't really like Eclipse (it >>isn't helped by some plugin developers not hosting their files >>correctly) and don't like any of the tonnes of other HTML editors out >>there. So I'm back to Homesite but need some improvements in its >>handling of XHTML, PHP, CFML, etc. A Sourceforge project where everyone >>could contribute in a centralized location would reduce duplicate >>efforts (only need one PHP syntax highlighter, etc) and give people a >>one-stop-shop for what they needed. >> >>So, what do y'all thing? Would it be worth my time trying this? >> >>-- >>Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 >>#include > > > ~| Purchase RoboHelp from House of Fusion, a Macromedia Authorized Affiliate and support the CF community. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=59 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190322 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
Homesite+ is legacy code, a Windows-only IDE. Supporting CFEclipse or DreamWeaver enhancements to add in the features that you like about HS+ is a more realistic goal, IMHO. I like HS+, but it no longer makes sense to support platform-dependent environments. I'd love to use Linux as my desktop OS for development, but I'm still hooked into HS+ until CFE matures or someone else comes along with another product. I think it's a worthy goal to work on stuff like syntax highlighters for HS+, but what is the size of the audience for something like PHP support in HS+? I just don't think you'll get any traction. >Would it be worthwhile starting a Sourceforge project to promote >Homesite and to centralize development of Homesite enhancements? > >I'm personally sick of Dreamweaver, I don't really like Eclipse (it >isn't helped by some plugin developers not hosting their files >correctly) and don't like any of the tonnes of other HTML editors out >there. So I'm back to Homesite but need some improvements in its >handling of XHTML, PHP, CFML, etc. A Sourceforge project where everyone >could contribute in a centralized location would reduce duplicate >efforts (only need one PHP syntax highlighter, etc) and give people a >one-stop-shop for what they needed. > >So, what do y'all thing? Would it be worth my time trying this? > >-- >Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] >The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 >#include ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190320 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
I followed those instructions before, and built eclipse, but I remember that the latest stuff wasn't in there, either CFEclipse view was missing totally, or the file explorer wasn't available. I don't remember which one. Perhaps I didn't do it properly, but I think we definitely need better instructions on how to build and deploy the latest version. Russ -Original Message- From: Spike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 2:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project? I hope it isn't too annoying :-/ There are instructions on how to download and build it on Nathan Strutz's resource page here: http://www.dopefly.com/pages/cfeclipse.cfm I'm also working on a Captivate demo on how to do this. Be warned though that the latest stuff in CVS isn't necessarily the best thing to be using. Right now the latest stuff in CVS has a fairly major bug that will pretty much stop cfeclipse being usable. I'm working on fixing it between writing emails at the minute. Spike Russ wrote: > Yea, it's really annoying having to wait for spike to build the latest > CFEclipse. I would like to be able to grab the bleeding age version and > have it install automatically through the updater, or at least have some > instructions posted on how to compile it ourselves. > > Russ > > -Original Message- > From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 2:01 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: OT: Homesite enhancement project? > > >>-Original Message- >>From: Spike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>I'm not sure what you mean. >>What sort of Eclipse file repository are you referring to? > > > The software updates system. > > >>Anything we can do to make cfeclipse easier to work with is >>of interest, > > > CFEclipse isn't the problem in this case, phpeclipse is. Though it'd be > nice to be able to /easily/ upgrade from the stable to the bleedingedge > versions via the same mechanism. > -- Stephen Milligan Code poet for hire http://www.spike.org.uk Do you cfeclipse? http://cfeclipse.tigris.org ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190314 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
I hope it isn't too annoying :-/ There are instructions on how to download and build it on Nathan Strutz's resource page here: http://www.dopefly.com/pages/cfeclipse.cfm I'm also working on a Captivate demo on how to do this. Be warned though that the latest stuff in CVS isn't necessarily the best thing to be using. Right now the latest stuff in CVS has a fairly major bug that will pretty much stop cfeclipse being usable. I'm working on fixing it between writing emails at the minute. Spike Russ wrote: > Yea, it's really annoying having to wait for spike to build the latest > CFEclipse. I would like to be able to grab the bleeding age version and > have it install automatically through the updater, or at least have some > instructions posted on how to compile it ourselves. > > Russ > > -Original Message- > From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 2:01 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: OT: Homesite enhancement project? > > >>-Original Message- >>From: Spike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>I'm not sure what you mean. >>What sort of Eclipse file repository are you referring to? > > > The software updates system. > > >>Anything we can do to make cfeclipse easier to work with is >>of interest, > > > CFEclipse isn't the problem in this case, phpeclipse is. Though it'd be > nice to be able to /easily/ upgrade from the stable to the bleedingedge > versions via the same mechanism. > -- Stephen Milligan Code poet for hire http://www.spike.org.uk Do you cfeclipse? http://cfeclipse.tigris.org ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190313 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:28:46 -0500, Russ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yea, it's really annoying having to wait for spike to build the latest > CFEclipse. I would like to be able to grab the bleeding age version and > have it install automatically through the updater, or at least have some > instructions posted on how to compile it ourselves. Those instructions *are* available. You can easily get the latest version from CVS (Eclipse makes this a snap) and building / installing the latest CVS version is almost trivial once you've read the instructions... -- Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/ Team Fusebox -- http://www.fusebox.org/ Breeze Me! -- http://www.corfield.org/breezeme Got Gmail? -- I have 5 invites to give away! "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive." -- Margaret Atwood ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190312 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
To be honest I'm not totally sure how the software update mechanism works either. There are a few possibilities, but we want to make sure we get it right so it doesn't screw up anyone's machine. Spike Munson, Jacob wrote: > I don't know much about how the software updates stuff works, but couldn't > you have a separate 'channel' for bleeding edge? Then only the people that > wanted it would be notified. > > -Original Message- > From: Spike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 12:20 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project? > > > Damien McKenna wrote: > >>>-Original Message- >>>From: Spike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>>I'm not sure what you mean. >>>What sort of Eclipse file repository are you referring to? >> >> >>The software updates system. > > > ok, thanks. That makes sense now. > > >> >>>Anything we can do to make cfeclipse easier to work with is >>>of interest, >> >> >>CFEclipse isn't the problem in this case, phpeclipse is. Though it'd be >>nice to be able to /easily/ upgrade from the stable to the bleedingedge >>versions via the same mechanism. >> > > > We do plan to start putting out a bleeding edge version via the > auto-update mechanism. No specifics on that just yet until the impact > has been investigated fully though. The last thing we would want is > everyone being prompted to install the latest bleeding edge version > every time they started up Eclipse. Bleeding edge stuff is always going > to be somewhat buggy and unstable, so the expectation is that the > majority of people will avoid it for day to day work. > > What issues did you run into with phpeclipse? > > Spike -- Stephen Milligan Code poet for hire http://www.spike.org.uk Do you cfeclipse? http://cfeclipse.tigris.org ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190311 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
> -Original Message- > From: Spike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > What issues did you run into with phpeclipse? Phpeclipse doesn't have a software update repository, you have to install it manually then do "eclipse -clean". The problem is that this doesn't work reliably, it seems to only work once then refuse to work again. So you install CFEclipse via software update, install phpeclipse manually, run -clean and they're fine, then you realise you wanted svneclipse and the FTP plugins too so you add those via software update and hey presto, phpeclipse disappears, and -clean doesn't bring it back again. You backtrack so cfeclipse+phpeclipse (I got smart by this stage and kept a backup of those two working) and try instead to install the CSS editor (manually), run -clean again and hey-presto, both phpeclipse and the CSS editor disappear. I dealt with that for several hours and just didn't feel it was worth my time messing with anymore. Every single Eclipse plugin out there should have a software update repository somewhere so that its all easy to install and until they do it just isn't IMHO worth the price of entry. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190306 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
Yea, it's really annoying having to wait for spike to build the latest CFEclipse. I would like to be able to grab the bleeding age version and have it install automatically through the updater, or at least have some instructions posted on how to compile it ourselves. Russ -Original Message- From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 2:01 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: OT: Homesite enhancement project? > -Original Message- > From: Spike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I'm not sure what you mean. > What sort of Eclipse file repository are you referring to? The software updates system. > Anything we can do to make cfeclipse easier to work with is > of interest, CFEclipse isn't the problem in this case, phpeclipse is. Though it'd be nice to be able to /easily/ upgrade from the stable to the bleedingedge versions via the same mechanism. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include ~| Protect Your PC from viruses, hackers, spam and more. Buy PC-cillin with Easy Installation & Support http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=61 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190305 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
I don't know much about how the software updates stuff works, but couldn't you have a separate 'channel' for bleeding edge? Then only the people that wanted it would be notified. -Original Message- From: Spike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 12:20 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project? Damien McKenna wrote: >>-Original Message- >>From: Spike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>I'm not sure what you mean. >>What sort of Eclipse file repository are you referring to? > > > The software updates system. ok, thanks. That makes sense now. > > >>Anything we can do to make cfeclipse easier to work with is >>of interest, > > > CFEclipse isn't the problem in this case, phpeclipse is. Though it'd be > nice to be able to /easily/ upgrade from the stable to the bleedingedge > versions via the same mechanism. > We do plan to start putting out a bleeding edge version via the auto-update mechanism. No specifics on that just yet until the impact has been investigated fully though. The last thing we would want is everyone being prompted to install the latest bleeding edge version every time they started up Eclipse. Bleeding edge stuff is always going to be somewhat buggy and unstable, so the expectation is that the majority of people will avoid it for day to day work. What issues did you run into with phpeclipse? Spike -- Stephen Milligan Code poet for hire http://www.spike.org.uk Do you cfeclipse? http://cfeclipse.tigris.org ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190302 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
Damien McKenna wrote: >>-Original Message- >>From: Spike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>I'm not sure what you mean. >>What sort of Eclipse file repository are you referring to? > > > The software updates system. ok, thanks. That makes sense now. > > >>Anything we can do to make cfeclipse easier to work with is >>of interest, > > > CFEclipse isn't the problem in this case, phpeclipse is. Though it'd be > nice to be able to /easily/ upgrade from the stable to the bleedingedge > versions via the same mechanism. > We do plan to start putting out a bleeding edge version via the auto-update mechanism. No specifics on that just yet until the impact has been investigated fully though. The last thing we would want is everyone being prompted to install the latest bleeding edge version every time they started up Eclipse. Bleeding edge stuff is always going to be somewhat buggy and unstable, so the expectation is that the majority of people will avoid it for day to day work. What issues did you run into with phpeclipse? Spike -- Stephen Milligan Code poet for hire http://www.spike.org.uk Do you cfeclipse? http://cfeclipse.tigris.org ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190299 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
> -Original Message- > From: Spike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I'm not sure what you mean. > What sort of Eclipse file repository are you referring to? The software updates system. > Anything we can do to make cfeclipse easier to work with is > of interest, CFEclipse isn't the problem in this case, phpeclipse is. Though it'd be nice to be able to /easily/ upgrade from the stable to the bleedingedge versions via the same mechanism. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190287 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
Kind of reminds me of the way that the server model for DW only supports one server side technology per site... -Original Message- From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 1:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: OT: Homesite enhancement project? > -Original Message- > From: Rob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I can't help but think you are talking about CFEclipse. What happened? > What do you mean not hosting their files correctly? I do development with CFML and PHP, along with the requisite XHTML, XML, CSS and JS. I need an editor that can work with all of these. Trying to get all of the required plugins for Eclipse working simultaneously was a mess. It seems that it would work better if each project made its files available as an Eclipse file repository but few do. Until that's made easier I'm just not going to touch it, its too much of a waste of time. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190278 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:07:16 -0500, Damien McKenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Rob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > I can't help but think you are talking about CFEclipse. What happened? > > What do you mean not hosting their files correctly? > > I do development with CFML and PHP, along with the requisite XHTML, XML, > CSS and JS. I need an editor that can work with all of these. Trying > to get all of the required plugins for Eclipse working simultaneously > was a mess. It seems that it would work better if each project made its > files available as an Eclipse file repository but few do. Until that's > made easier I'm just not going to touch it, its too much of a waste of > time. Ok, cool. Thanks for the input. I have CFE and PHP running at the same time at home, I'll check out how I did it and see if I can write something up. For the long term fix though, we'll have to discuss some stuff. Thanks again Damien, Rob -- ~Blog~ http://www.robrohan.com ~The cfml plug-in for eclipse~ http://cfeclipse.tigris.org ~open source xslt IDE~ http://treebeard.sourceforge.net ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190277 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
I'm not sure what you mean. What sort of Eclipse file repository are you referring to? Anything we can do to make cfeclipse easier to work with is of interest, so I'd appreciate it if you could elaborate a bit more on the issues you ran into. Spike Damien McKenna wrote: >>-Original Message- >>From: Rob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>I can't help but think you are talking about CFEclipse. What happened? >>What do you mean not hosting their files correctly? > > > I do development with CFML and PHP, along with the requisite XHTML, XML, > CSS and JS. I need an editor that can work with all of these. Trying > to get all of the required plugins for Eclipse working simultaneously > was a mess. It seems that it would work better if each project made its > files available as an Eclipse file repository but few do. Until that's > made easier I'm just not going to touch it, its too much of a waste of > time. > -- Stephen Milligan Code poet for hire http://www.spike.org.uk Do you cfeclipse? http://cfeclipse.tigris.org ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190276 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
> -Original Message- > From: Rob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I can't help but think you are talking about CFEclipse. What happened? > What do you mean not hosting their files correctly? I do development with CFML and PHP, along with the requisite XHTML, XML, CSS and JS. I need an editor that can work with all of these. Trying to get all of the required plugins for Eclipse working simultaneously was a mess. It seems that it would work better if each project made its files available as an Eclipse file repository but few do. Until that's made easier I'm just not going to touch it, its too much of a waste of time. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190272 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:17:14 -0500, Damien McKenna > I'm personally sick of Dreamweaver, I don't really like Eclipse (it > isn't helped by some plugin developers not hosting their files > correctly) I can't help but think you are talking about CFEclipse. What happened? What do you mean not hosting their files correctly? -- ~Blog~ http://www.robrohan.com ~The cfml plug-in for eclipse~ http://cfeclipse.tigris.org ~open source xslt IDE~ http://treebeard.sourceforge.net ~| Get Instant Hacker Protection, Virus Detection, Antispam & Personal Firewall. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=62 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190257 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
Andy, Oh I think that Macromedia will eventually open source Homesite. If you can wait until 2007 :<). Rick Mason On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:33:13 +, Andy Jarrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think if Homesite was available again it would take off big - > especially as a sourceforge (dare i say free) project. No doubt there > whatsoever, the tone of the board has shown this time and time again. > Surely the big problem would be to let MM release it? I can't see them > ever doing that for obvious reason of competetion? > > I don't think the question should be "is it worth it", the CF > community is always more than happy to help. But will MM release it > from there grasp? > > Andy > www.andyjarrett.co.uk > > On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:17:14 -0500, Damien McKenna > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Would it be worthwhile starting a Sourceforge project to promote > > Homesite and to centralize development of Homesite enhancements? > > > > I'm personally sick of Dreamweaver, I don't really like Eclipse (it > > isn't helped by some plugin developers not hosting their files > > correctly) and don't like any of the tonnes of other HTML editors out > > there. So I'm back to Homesite but need some improvements in its > > handling of XHTML, PHP, CFML, etc. A Sourceforge project where everyone > > could contribute in a centralized location would reduce duplicate > > efforts (only need one PHP syntax highlighter, etc) and give people a > > one-stop-shop for what they needed. > > > > So, what do y'all thing? Would it be worth my time trying this? > > > > -- > > Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 > > #include > > > > > > ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190247 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
Sounds like a great idea to me. I bought DWMX to get HS+, personally. Needed another license. I don't so much mind that given current pricing is lower than CFStudio was, but I also don't expect to see much in the way of new HS+ features down the road. This would at least attempt to address the problem. -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190233 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
> -Original Message- > From: Andy Jarrett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Surely the big problem would be to let MM release it? I can't > see them ever doing that for obvious reason of competetion? Note that I wasn't thinking of distributing Homesite itself but just enhancements, plugins. -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include ~| Purchase Contribute 3 from House of Fusion, a Macromedia Authorized Affiliate and support the CF community. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=53 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190230 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
I don't think an add-on shop would really take off, there are some things that need to be addressed that can't be handled by add-ons. Just my 2 cents... Calvin -Original Message- From: Andy Jarrett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 10:33 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project? I think if Homesite was available again it would take off big - especially as a sourceforge (dare i say free) project. No doubt there whatsoever, the tone of the board has shown this time and time again. Surely the big problem would be to let MM release it? I can't see them ever doing that for obvious reason of competetion? I don't think the question should be "is it worth it", the CF community is always more than happy to help. But will MM release it from there grasp? Andy www.andyjarrett.co.uk On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:17:14 -0500, Damien McKenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Would it be worthwhile starting a Sourceforge project to promote > Homesite and to centralize development of Homesite enhancements? > > I'm personally sick of Dreamweaver, I don't really like Eclipse (it > isn't helped by some plugin developers not hosting their files > correctly) and don't like any of the tonnes of other HTML editors out > there. So I'm back to Homesite but need some improvements in its > handling of XHTML, PHP, CFML, etc. A Sourceforge project where everyone > could contribute in a centralized location would reduce duplicate > efforts (only need one PHP syntax highlighter, etc) and give people a > one-stop-shop for what they needed. > > So, what do y'all thing? Would it be worth my time trying this? > > -- > Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 > #include > > ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190227 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: Homesite enhancement project?
I think if Homesite was available again it would take off big - especially as a sourceforge (dare i say free) project. No doubt there whatsoever, the tone of the board has shown this time and time again. Surely the big problem would be to let MM release it? I can't see them ever doing that for obvious reason of competetion? I don't think the question should be "is it worth it", the CF community is always more than happy to help. But will MM release it from there grasp? Andy www.andyjarrett.co.uk On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:17:14 -0500, Damien McKenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Would it be worthwhile starting a Sourceforge project to promote > Homesite and to centralize development of Homesite enhancements? > > I'm personally sick of Dreamweaver, I don't really like Eclipse (it > isn't helped by some plugin developers not hosting their files > correctly) and don't like any of the tonnes of other HTML editors out > there. So I'm back to Homesite but need some improvements in its > handling of XHTML, PHP, CFML, etc. A Sourceforge project where everyone > could contribute in a centralized location would reduce duplicate > efforts (only need one PHP syntax highlighter, etc) and give people a > one-stop-shop for what they needed. > > So, what do y'all thing? Would it be worth my time trying this? > > -- > Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 > #include > > ~| Purchase Captivate from House of Fusion, a Macromedia Authorized Affiliate and support the CF community. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=52 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190224 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
