RE: cf open shopping cart

[Andy]

John, well said.  That, ultimately, is why I don't find the progress we are
having disheartening.  For example, I've been out of the country the last
two weeks putting in 16-18 days.  Not much chance of me doing anything on
the open source project.  Now I am trying to get some work done on it.

So, if folks will just take the time to provide advice when they have the
time to spare, and any code that they are willing to share, our small band
of merry folks will do our best to advance the project. 

Andy

-Original Message-
From: John C. Bland II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 6:04 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: cf open shopping cart

Dave, not trying to beat a dead horse but (last comments) you would be
thoroughly surprised what other people have on their plates and as someone
put it...coding after a long day of work is not ideal for some people
(especially if you have a family that includes young children). We all
contribute to the community in some way shape or form: articles, answer ?'s
on this list, free software, etc. There are the Ray's who do all 3 and then
some. :-)

All is well...

On 1/13/06, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 well first of all, do I just want a freeprogram(as was suggested), umm 
 no, actually all the future sites I am in for don't have carts, I was 
 doing it to help the communty that is drastially lacking in these things.

 Instead of going off on certain ppl this time I will refrain lol, Got 
 my first apple laptop and I would rather play with that then bicker 
 with some of you.

 The reason I brought it all up is that i am on all the lists to do the 
 cart and I haven't heard a peep at all from any of them. I'm glad to 
 see Andy is still going but if I am on the list to help and I haven't 
 heard a thing then it appears to be dead. o maybe letting us know 
 would be a good start.

 Anyways, I am as busy as anyone here and I will make time to help out, 
 just let me know what you need from me Andy.

 My first trip for photoshoots with the girls starts this month (got a 
 suite at the venetian in vegas, whoo hoo(cfm site btw)) but I got 
 laptop for these types of things, so no one should have an excuse.
 I think what most ppl here dont understand is that they can help 
 without spending a lot of time thats why I suggested everyone take a 
 small piece and get it done then go back and tweek it all to be 
 consistant. I'm sure everyone here could take a small part and spend 
 2-3 hours total over a week to make a part of it.

 ~Dave the disruptor~
 google will pay you money to getting rid of ie :) 
 http://explorerdestroyer.com/ http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/

 
 From: Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 2:18 PM
 To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
 Subject: Re: cf open shopping cart

 Ok maybe 'bickering' is too strong a word, but it didnt look to me 
 like the kind of productive, energetic, progressive discussion I see 
 happening on the CFEclipse and Model-glue lists for example. As i 
 said, it could well be that the initial wide-ranging stuff has now 
 been narrowed down to a more focussed point, and what seemed like a 
 cloud of ideas has now gelled into an organised project. rely

 I lost track of the project when it moved off CF-Talk, but at the time 
 that happened, it didnt look to me like it was going to [A] offer me 
 anything i could use that i didn't already have, and/or [B] offer an 
 opportunity for me to learn at the same time as contributing something 
 back to the cf community that has supported me so well over all these 
 years since cF4.0.1

 Your post, Andy, puts an entirely different perspective on it. Thanks 
 for your post.

 Where can those of us who are interested in the project, but not 
 currently involved, find out more?

 Cheers
 Mike Kear
 Windsor, NSW, Australia
 Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks 
 http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from 
 AUD$15/month

 On 1/12/06, Andy  wrote:
 
  Mike,
  I am sorry that you took it as bickering. Sounded like discussion to 
  me. As far as you other points, the project is not in a mess, 
  right now,
 there
  are just two of us working through it, and perhaps as we progress, 
  you might reconsider.
 
  Andy
 
  PS: We are using CFC's, and will probably end up converting Ben's 
  work
 in
  the process. I am just finishing a first draft of a high level
 archicture
  document.
 
 



 



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Re: cf open shopping cart

[John C. Bland II]

Dave, not trying to beat a dead horse but (last comments) you would be
thoroughly surprised what other people have on their plates and as someone
put it...coding after a long day of work is not ideal for some people
(especially if you have a family that includes young children). We all
contribute to the community in some way shape or form: articles, answer ?'s
on this list, free software, etc. There are the Ray's who do all 3 and then
some. :-)

All is well...

On 1/13/06, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 well first of all, do I just want a freeprogram(as was suggested), umm no,
 actually all the future sites I am in for don't have carts, I was doing it
 to help the communty that is drastially lacking in these things.

 Instead of going off on certain ppl this time I will refrain lol, Got my
 first apple laptop and I would rather play with that then bicker with some
 of you.

 The reason I brought it all up is that i am on all the lists to do the
 cart and I haven't heard a peep at all from any of them. I'm glad to see
 Andy is still going but if I am on the list to help and I haven't heard a
 thing then it appears to be dead. o maybe letting us know would be a good
 start.

 Anyways, I am as busy as anyone here and I will make time to help out,
 just let me know what you need from me Andy.

 My first trip for photoshoots with the girls starts this month (got a
 suite at the venetian in vegas, whoo hoo(cfm site btw)) but I got laptop for
 these types of things, so no one should have an excuse.
 I think what most ppl here dont understand is that they can help without
 spending a lot of time thats why I suggested everyone take a small piece and
 get it done then go back and tweek it all to be consistant. I'm sure
 everyone here could take a small part and spend 2-3 hours total over a week
 to make a part of it.

 ~Dave the disruptor~
 google will pay you money to getting rid of ie :)
 http://explorerdestroyer.com/
 http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/

 
 From: Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 2:18 PM
 To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
 Subject: Re: cf open shopping cart

 Ok maybe 'bickering' is too strong a word, but it didnt look to me like
 the
 kind of productive, energetic, progressive discussion I see happening on
 the
 CFEclipse and Model-glue lists for example. As i said, it could well be
 that the initial wide-ranging stuff has now been narrowed down to a more
 focussed point, and what seemed like a cloud of ideas has now gelled into
 an
 organised project. rely

 I lost track of the project when it moved off CF-Talk, but at the time
 that
 happened, it didnt look to me like it was going to [A] offer me anything i
 could use that i didn't already have, and/or [B] offer an opportunity for
 me
 to learn at the same time as contributing something back to the cf
 community
 that has supported me so well over all these years since cF4.0.1

 Your post, Andy, puts an entirely different perspective on it. Thanks for
 your post.

 Where can those of us who are interested in the project, but not currently
 involved, find out more?

 Cheers
 Mike Kear
 Windsor, NSW, Australia
 Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
 AFP Webworks
 http://afpwebworks.com
 ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month

 On 1/12/06, Andy  wrote:
 
  Mike,
  I am sorry that you took it as bickering. Sounded like discussion to
  me. As
  far as you other points, the project is not in a mess, right now,
 there
  are just two of us working through it, and perhaps as we progress, you
  might
  reconsider.
 
  Andy
 
  PS: We are using CFC's, and will probably end up converting Ben's work
 in
  the process. I am just finishing a first draft of a high level
 archicture
  document.
 
 



 

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Re: cf open shopping cart

[dave]

well first of all, do I just want a freeprogram(as was suggested), umm no, 
actually all the future sites I am in for don't have carts, I was doing it to 
help the communty that is drastially lacking in these things.

Instead of going off on certain ppl this time I will refrain lol, Got my first 
apple laptop and I would rather play with that then bicker with some of you.

The reason I brought it all up is that i am on all the lists to do the cart and 
I haven't heard a peep at all from any of them. I'm glad to see Andy is still 
going but if I am on the list to help and I haven't heard a thing then it 
appears to be dead. o maybe letting us know would be a good start.

Anyways, I am as busy as anyone here and I will make time to help out, just let 
me know what you need from me Andy.

My first trip for photoshoots with the girls starts this month (got a suite at 
the venetian in vegas, whoo hoo(cfm site btw)) but I got laptop for these types 
of things, so no one should have an excuse.
I think what most ppl here dont understand is that they can help without 
spending a lot of time thats why I suggested everyone take a small piece and 
get it done then go back and tweek it all to be consistant. I'm sure everyone 
here could take a small part and spend 2-3 hours total over a week to make a 
part of it.

~Dave the disruptor~
google will pay you money to getting rid of ie :)
http://explorerdestroyer.com/
http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/ 


From: Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 2:18 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Re: cf open shopping cart 

Ok maybe 'bickering' is too strong a word, but it didnt look to me like the
kind of productive, energetic, progressive discussion I see happening on the
CFEclipse and Model-glue lists for example. As i said, it could well be
that the initial wide-ranging stuff has now been narrowed down to a more
focussed point, and what seemed like a cloud of ideas has now gelled into an
organised project. rely

I lost track of the project when it moved off CF-Talk, but at the time that
happened, it didnt look to me like it was going to [A] offer me anything i
could use that i didn't already have, and/or [B] offer an opportunity for me
to learn at the same time as contributing something back to the cf community
that has supported me so well over all these years since cF4.0.1

Your post, Andy, puts an entirely different perspective on it. Thanks for
your post.

Where can those of us who are interested in the project, but not currently
involved, find out more?

Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
AFP Webworks
http://afpwebworks.com
ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month

On 1/12/06, Andy  wrote:

 Mike,
 I am sorry that you took it as bickering. Sounded like discussion to
 me. As
 far as you other points, the project is not in a mess, right now, there
 are just two of us working through it, and perhaps as we progress, you
 might
 reconsider.

 Andy

 PS: We are using CFC's, and will probably end up converting Ben's work in
 the process. I am just finishing a first draft of a high level archicture
 document.





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Re: cf open shopping cart

[Mike Kear]

Ok maybe 'bickering' is too strong  a word, but it didnt look to me like the
kind of productive, energetic, progressive discussion I see happening on the
CFEclipse and Model-glue lists for example.   As i said, it could well be
that the initial wide-ranging stuff has now been narrowed down to a more
focussed point, and what seemed like a cloud of ideas has now gelled into an
organised project.  rely

I lost track of the project when it moved off CF-Talk, but at the time that
happened, it didnt look to me like it was going to [A] offer me anything i
could use that i didn't already have, and/or [B] offer an opportunity for me
to learn at the same time as contributing something back to the cf community
that has supported me so well over all these years since cF4.0.1

Your post, Andy, puts an entirely different perspective on it.  Thanks for
your post.

Where can those of us who are interested in the project, but not currently
involved, find out more?

Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
AFP Webworks
http://afpwebworks.com
ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month


On 1/12/06, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Mike,
 I am sorry that you took it as bickering. Sounded like discussion to
 me.  As
 far as you other points, the project is not in a mess, right now, there
 are just two of us working through it, and perhaps as we progress, you
 might
 reconsider.

 Andy

 PS:  We are using CFC's, and will probably end up converting Ben's work in
 the process. I am just finishing a first draft of a high level archicture
 document.




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RE: cf open shopping cart

[Andy]

We are not focused enough yet, but quickly getting there.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/openbizservices/
 

-Original Message-
From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 2:09 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: cf open shopping cart

Ok maybe 'bickering' is too strong  a word, but it didnt look to me like the
kind of productive, energetic, progressive discussion I see happening on the
CFEclipse and Model-glue lists for example.   As i said, it could well be
that the initial wide-ranging stuff has now been narrowed down to a more
focussed point, and what seemed like a cloud of ideas has now gelled into an
organised project.  rely

I lost track of the project when it moved off CF-Talk, but at the time that
happened, it didnt look to me like it was going to [A] offer me anything i
could use that i didn't already have, and/or [B] offer an opportunity for me
to learn at the same time as contributing something back to the cf community
that has supported me so well over all these years since cF4.0.1

Your post, Andy, puts an entirely different perspective on it.  Thanks for
your post.

Where can those of us who are interested in the project, but not currently
involved, find out more?

Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
AFP Webworks
http://afpwebworks.com
ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month


On 1/12/06, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Mike,
 I am sorry that you took it as bickering. Sounded like discussion to 
 me.  As far as you other points, the project is not in a mess, right 
 now, there are just two of us working through it, and perhaps as we 
 progress, you might reconsider.

 Andy

 PS:  We are using CFC's, and will probably end up converting Ben's 
 work in the process. I am just finishing a first draft of a high level 
 archicture document.






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RE: cf open shopping cart

[Andy]

Mike,
I am sorry that you took it as bickering. Sounded like discussion to me.  As
far as you other points, the project is not in a mess, right now, there
are just two of us working through it, and perhaps as we progress, you might
reconsider.

Andy

PS:  We are using CFC's, and will probably end up converting Ben's work in
the process. I am just finishing a first draft of a high level archicture
document.

-Original Message-
From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 6:06 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: cf open shopping cart

Well I for one was watching this project kick off with interest.
Initially I saw it as an opportunity for me to contribute something back to
the community that has been so good to me over quite a few years now.   I
thought I would gain from it because it would also be good for me to be
involved in a collaborative project, because I do nearly everything by
myself these days.  I know I have some expertise in some aspects of this
project, and nearly no expertise in other aspects so I thought I could
contribute as well as learn.

So i was about to put my hand up and say I'll dive in and help.

Then the bickering started.  Back and forth about what it was going to be,
and what it was going to do. First it was going to be like this,  then like
that,  then like something else, without anyone offering a clear idea
of what it was going to be.   uh oh, I said to myself  this looks just
like x - a nighmare of a project I was involved in years ago and it'll be
ages before anyone gets anywhere with it. I was about to suggest a
functional spec, when someone else pooh-poohed the use of CFCs.   Someone
said they didnt want to use this new-fangled CFC stuff.They wanted to
write the shopping cart using more conventional procedural code. To be
frank I saw this as adding nothing to the cf community.   there is already
an excellent procedural shopping cart thanks to Ben Forta in the CFWACK and
quite frankly I dont see what you could do in an open source cart that
wasn't already there in the book, and which I've already used, adapted and
modified several times.

I didnt say anything at the time because most of the participants seemed to
like that approach.  Rather than try to rain on the parade, I put my hand
back down and  decided to go my own way.  If you guys want to build a new
procedural shopping cart, good luck to you, I'll be standing there
applauding when and if it's finished.

However if anyone wants to take this project in a different direction, I am
more than willing to put my shoulder to the wheel.But I'd say there has
to be a few things different:

   - someone  has to be elected, appointed or self-appointed as the
   project leader (look at the success of the model-glue project - due in no
   small part to the fact that Joe Rinehart has put his personal goolies on
the
   line and has taken charge of it)
   - There has to be a clear definition of what the project is for.  I'm
   afraid, open source shopping cart doesnt cut it.  There are already
   several that if not free are close to it.   Most people either have
CFWACK
   or know someone who has and there have ready access to how to build a
   procedural shopping cart..What's going to be different about this
one?

From these two things will flow a proper functional spec and a direction to
the project.   At this point, since I havent been following the details of
the project, you may well have defined the project, but I havent seen it, so
I cant offer my help.

I'll be glad to add whatever skills and energy I have that might contribute
to an open source shopping cart if it's going to be a project that works.
And if it's going to add something new to the world.   Just another 'me too'
shopping cart isnt worth the effort, except that it gives the contributors
experience and new skills.  And to put it bluntly, I'm interested in
developing my skills in the use of CFCs and OOP, not just redoing something
I've been doing for eight years now.

And that fact that you're lashing about Dave, tells me this project is a
mess right now.  It needs an objective that will inspire people to be
involved.   The CFEclipse project has inspired it's contributors because
they saw deficiencies in the existing tools and figured they could do a
better one.  I reckon if they'd started out saying lets build a development
tool that's like notepad with a couple of other features it would have gone
nowhere.

Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
AFP Webworks
http://afpwebworks.com

ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month




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Re: cf open shopping cart

[John C. Bland II]

Andy, I was in on the convo and it did have a bickering feel to it. No one
was taking control and everyone (almost) wanted it done their way.

I'm glad to hear it got going though. From the sound of Dave I thought it
was practically dead with 3 developers (which I guess is 2 now) twiddling
their thumbs. But, it is good to know it is coming along.

On 1/11/06, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Mike,
 I am sorry that you took it as bickering. Sounded like discussion to
 me.  As
 far as you other points, the project is not in a mess, right now, there
 are just two of us working through it, and perhaps as we progress, you
 might
 reconsider.

 Andy

 PS:  We are using CFC's, and will probably end up converting Ben's work in
 the process. I am just finishing a first draft of a high level archicture
 document.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 6:06 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: cf open shopping cart

 Well I for one was watching this project kick off with interest.
 Initially I saw it as an opportunity for me to contribute something back
 to
 the community that has been so good to me over quite a few years now.   I
 thought I would gain from it because it would also be good for me to be
 involved in a collaborative project, because I do nearly everything by
 myself these days.  I know I have some expertise in some aspects of
 this
 project, and nearly no expertise in other aspects so I thought I could
 contribute as well as learn.

 So i was about to put my hand up and say I'll dive in and help.

 Then the bickering started.  Back and forth about what it was going to be,
 and what it was going to do. First it was going to be like this,  then
 like
 that,  then like something else, without anyone offering a clear idea
 of what it was going to be.   uh oh, I said to myself  this looks just
 like x - a nighmare of a project I was involved in years ago and it'll
 be
 ages before anyone gets anywhere with it. I was about to suggest a
 functional spec, when someone else pooh-poohed the use of CFCs.   Someone
 said they didnt want to use this new-fangled CFC stuff.They wanted to
 write the shopping cart using more conventional procedural code. To be
 frank I saw this as adding nothing to the cf community.   there is already
 an excellent procedural shopping cart thanks to Ben Forta in the CFWACK
 and
 quite frankly I dont see what you could do in an open source cart that
 wasn't already there in the book, and which I've already used, adapted and
 modified several times.

 I didnt say anything at the time because most of the participants seemed
 to
 like that approach.  Rather than try to rain on the parade, I put my hand
 back down and  decided to go my own way.  If you guys want to build a new
 procedural shopping cart, good luck to you, I'll be standing there
 applauding when and if it's finished.

 However if anyone wants to take this project in a different direction, I
 am
 more than willing to put my shoulder to the wheel.But I'd say there
 has
 to be a few things different:

- someone  has to be elected, appointed or self-appointed as the
project leader (look at the success of the model-glue project - due in
 no
small part to the fact that Joe Rinehart has put his personal goolies
 on
 the
line and has taken charge of it)
- There has to be a clear definition of what the project is for.  I'm
afraid, open source shopping cart doesnt cut it.  There are already
several that if not free are close to it.   Most people either have
 CFWACK
or know someone who has and there have ready access to how to build a
procedural shopping cart..What's going to be different about this
 one?

 From these two things will flow a proper functional spec and a direction
 to
 the project.   At this point, since I havent been following the details of
 the project, you may well have defined the project, but I havent seen it,
 so
 I cant offer my help.

 I'll be glad to add whatever skills and energy I have that might
 contribute
 to an open source shopping cart if it's going to be a project that works.
 And if it's going to add something new to the world.   Just another 'me
 too'
 shopping cart isnt worth the effort, except that it gives the contributors
 experience and new skills.  And to put it bluntly, I'm interested in
 developing my skills in the use of CFCs and OOP, not just redoing
 something
 I've been doing for eight years now.

 And that fact that you're lashing about Dave, tells me this project is a
 mess right now.  It needs an objective that will inspire people to be
 involved.   The CFEclipse project has inspired it's contributors because
 they saw deficiencies in the existing tools and figured they could do a
 better one.  I reckon if they'd started out saying lets build a
 development
 tool that's like notepad with a couple of other features it would have
 gone
 nowhere.

 Cheers
 Mike Kear

Re: cf open shopping cart

[John C. Bland II]

lol. Now that is just funny Dave. First off, I'm offended. I play PS2...not
xbox. Second, conflict of interests means my company is building an
e-commerce system (database already done and is quite intense in terms of
functionality) that won't be free so why would I take the same knowledge (or
even files) to an OS project that will directly compete with our (possibly
flagship) project? I wouldn't and, I'm guessing, neither would the majority
of the people in my position (that's like Adobe building an open source
Flash IDE...why would they do that? For the love of the community? Not if
Flash 9 (and so on) is still being built and sold).

Initially the project sounded like it was only a shopping cart (not a full
site + database) so I was willing to write shopping cart code (add, delete,
modify, payment gateways, etc) or use code I already have from prior e-comm
sites. Doing a full blown site+db simply conflicts with our e-comm product.
If you want previous code I've written for Authorize.net I will gladly pass
it on. It isn't encapsulated but I can delete the extra.

Don't be so offensive man. Calm down and bang it out yourself if you have
to. Like someone said, taking the app on by yourself, or with a very small
team IMO, should yield better results than throwing 500 developers on one
project. In doing this you end up right where you are now...no one to help
which is most likely due to no agreement on the project specs (seemed to be
the entire conversation when I listened to the posts).

So you know (and can remove me from your low as dirt selfish cf developer
list), we have built a project the community can use for free. It hasn't
launched yet (few more bugs to tweak and an interface to throw on it) but
hopefully it will benefit the community. It isn't anything new but hopefully
the wow factor will help it out a bit.

As a personal note, ask me before making such strong statements and showing
your ignorance in relation to my intentions, abilities, and/or desires. If
you want to discuss that statement I suggest take it off list (email, phone,
IM, whatever) and we can continue from there.

BTW, PHP may have a larger following because it is...ummm...FREE! I am a PHP
developer and on a php list. The main argument folks have is it is free.
Well, and the fact you have to use tags in CF...they don't like that. And
what you do with the php ppl is your business. ;-)

On 1/9/06, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 No but you can help and thats the point, its pretty pathic when there are
 thousands of ppl on the list and there are like 3 ppl who volunteered to
 help.
 And the message was posted here to try and get a few of you off your fat
 overweight asses and lend a hand to help out the community. You can bitch
 that php has all these cool free things but very few of you actually do
 anything besides bitch about it ( this isnt including the people like ray
 and james and those who do stuff).

 A conflict of interest? What was your xbox calling?
 Funny how ppl dont have time to help but they can go home and play xbox
 all night but not to help a community project.
 Yeah I coulda posted to the cart list but I'm quite sure all 3 of us on
 there are aware..

  We can't all be held accountable for the project 
 You are right... Some mystical magical force straight outta the xbox is
 gunna come do it all for us.
 Maybe we should just ask the php ppl to come wipe our asses and build us
 stuff, since obviously our community is lacking so bad that we can't
 get-r-done.

 That's cool I wont ask about it anymore or try to help out the community
 since most of you are just so great that you are above helping out

 ~Dave the disruptor~
 google will pay you money to getting rid of ie :)
 http://explorerdestroyer.com/
 http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/

 
 From: John C. Bland II [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 6:16 PM
 To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
 Subject: Re: cf open shopping cart

 Not the cf-talk group. We can't all be held accountable for the project
 not
 going anywhere. I started but soon let everyone know it was a conflict in
 interest, once I realized the full scope, and I backed out. So, to post
 your
 message here seems inappropriate. IMO, you should post to the site/forum
 where the project was being developed since everyone on it is directly
 related to the project.

 On 1/9/06, dave  wrote:
 
   And you are.. 
  saying its pretty damn pathetic that no one is helping out with the damn
  project.
 
  been what? 2 months now and whats been done? nothing. and don't you
  think that is pathetic of us as a group? I do.
 
  ~Dave the disruptor~
  google will pay you money to getting rid of ie :)
  http://explorerdestroyer.com/
  http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/
 
  
  From: Andy
  Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 5:27 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: RE: cf open shopping cart
 
  And you

Re: cf open shopping cart

[Mike Kear]

Well I for one was watching this project kick off with interest.
Initially I saw it as an opportunity for me to contribute something back to
the community that has been so good to me over quite a few years now.   I
thought I would gain from it because it would also be good for me to be
involved in a collaborative project, because I do nearly everything by
myself these days.  I know I have some expertise in some aspects of this
project, and nearly no expertise in other aspects so I thought I could
contribute as well as learn.

So i was about to put my hand up and say I'll dive in and help.

Then the bickering started.  Back and forth about what it was going to be,
and what it was going to do. First it was going to be like this,  then like
that,  then like something else, without anyone offering a clear idea
of what it was going to be.   uh oh, I said to myself  this looks just
like x - a nighmare of a project I was involved in years ago and it'll be
ages before anyone gets anywhere with it. I was about to suggest a
functional spec, when someone else pooh-poohed the use of CFCs.   Someone
said they didnt want to use this new-fangled CFC stuff.They wanted to
write the shopping cart using more conventional procedural code. To be
frank I saw this as adding nothing to the cf community.   there is already
an excellent procedural shopping cart thanks to Ben Forta in the CFWACK and
quite frankly I dont see what you could do in an open source cart that
wasn't already there in the book, and which I've already used, adapted and
modified several times.

I didnt say anything at the time because most of the participants seemed to
like that approach.  Rather than try to rain on the parade, I put my hand
back down and  decided to go my own way.  If you guys want to build a new
procedural shopping cart, good luck to you, I'll be standing there
applauding when and if it's finished.

However if anyone wants to take this project in a different direction, I am
more than willing to put my shoulder to the wheel.But I'd say there has
to be a few things different:

   - someone  has to be elected, appointed or self-appointed as the
   project leader (look at the success of the model-glue project - due in no
   small part to the fact that Joe Rinehart has put his personal goolies on the
   line and has taken charge of it)
   - There has to be a clear definition of what the project is for.  I'm
   afraid, open source shopping cart doesnt cut it.  There are already
   several that if not free are close to it.   Most people either have CFWACK
   or know someone who has and there have ready access to how to build a
   procedural shopping cart..What's going to be different about this one?

From these two things will flow a proper functional spec and a direction to
the project.   At this point, since I havent been following the details of
the project, you may well have defined the project, but I havent seen it, so
I cant offer my help.

I'll be glad to add whatever skills and energy I have that might contribute
to an open source shopping cart if it's going to be a project that works.
And if it's going to add something new to the world.   Just another 'me too'
shopping cart isnt worth the effort, except that it gives the contributors
experience and new skills.  And to put it bluntly, I'm interested in
developing my skills in the use of CFCs and OOP, not just redoing something
I've been doing for eight years now.

And that fact that you're lashing about Dave, tells me this project is a
mess right now.  It needs an objective that will inspire people to be
involved.   The CFEclipse project has inspired it's contributors because
they saw deficiencies in the existing tools and figured they could do a
better one.  I reckon if they'd started out saying lets build a development
tool that's like notepad with a couple of other features it would have gone
nowhere.

Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
AFP Webworks
http://afpwebworks.com
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RE: cf open shopping cart

[Tim Laureska]

Hear hear! Mike 

Same experience I had and that's not being critical just a factual
observation.  I too wanted to learn from and participate in such a
project b/c I'm a sole developer who doesn't have that group project
opportunity.

But after a several days of seeing the same thing you saw, it was clear
the organization and direction of this project was unclear, so I bailed.

Maybe things have changed at this point, I don't know

Tim




-Original Message-
From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 6:06 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: cf open shopping cart

Well I for one was watching this project kick off with interest.
Initially I saw it as an opportunity for me to contribute something back
to
the community that has been so good to me over quite a few years now.
I
thought I would gain from it because it would also be good for me to be
involved in a collaborative project, because I do nearly everything by
myself these days.  I know I have some expertise in some aspects of
this
project, and nearly no expertise in other aspects so I thought I could
contribute as well as learn.

So i was about to put my hand up and say I'll dive in and help.

Then the bickering started.  Back and forth about what it was going to
be,
and what it was going to do. First it was going to be like this,  then
like
that,  then like something else, without anyone offering a clear idea
of what it was going to be.   uh oh, I said to myself  this looks
just
like x - a nighmare of a project I was involved in years ago and it'll
be
ages before anyone gets anywhere with it. I was about to suggest a
functional spec, when someone else pooh-poohed the use of CFCs.
Someone
said they didnt want to use this new-fangled CFC stuff.They wanted
to
write the shopping cart using more conventional procedural code. To
be
frank I saw this as adding nothing to the cf community.   there is
already
an excellent procedural shopping cart thanks to Ben Forta in the CFWACK
and
quite frankly I dont see what you could do in an open source cart that
wasn't already there in the book, and which I've already used, adapted
and
modified several times.

I didnt say anything at the time because most of the participants seemed
to
like that approach.  Rather than try to rain on the parade, I put my
hand
back down and  decided to go my own way.  If you guys want to build a
new
procedural shopping cart, good luck to you, I'll be standing there
applauding when and if it's finished.

However if anyone wants to take this project in a different direction, I
am
more than willing to put my shoulder to the wheel.But I'd say there
has
to be a few things different:

   - someone  has to be elected, appointed or self-appointed as the
   project leader (look at the success of the model-glue project - due
in no
   small part to the fact that Joe Rinehart has put his personal goolies
on the
   line and has taken charge of it)
   - There has to be a clear definition of what the project is for.  I'm
   afraid, open source shopping cart doesnt cut it.  There are already
   several that if not free are close to it.   Most people either have
CFWACK
   or know someone who has and there have ready access to how to build a
   procedural shopping cart..What's going to be different about this
one?

From these two things will flow a proper functional spec and a direction
to
the project.   At this point, since I havent been following the details
of
the project, you may well have defined the project, but I havent seen
it, so
I cant offer my help.

I'll be glad to add whatever skills and energy I have that might
contribute
to an open source shopping cart if it's going to be a project that
works.
And if it's going to add something new to the world.   Just another 'me
too'
shopping cart isnt worth the effort, except that it gives the
contributors
experience and new skills.  And to put it bluntly, I'm interested in
developing my skills in the use of CFCs and OOP, not just redoing
something
I've been doing for eight years now.

And that fact that you're lashing about Dave, tells me this project is a
mess right now.  It needs an objective that will inspire people to be
involved.   The CFEclipse project has inspired it's contributors because
they saw deficiencies in the existing tools and figured they could do a
better one.  I reckon if they'd started out saying lets build a
development
tool that's like notepad with a couple of other features it would have
gone
nowhere.

Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
AFP Webworks
http://afpwebworks.com
ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month




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RE: cf open shopping cart

[Jennifer Gavin-Wear]

umm .. I've got my cart written in the last month ;)

lol

-Original Message-
From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 09 January 2006 22:33
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: cf open shopping cart


 And you are.. 
 saying its pretty damn pathetic that no one is helping out with the damn
project.

been what? 2 months now and whats been done? nothing. and don't you
think that is pathetic of us as a group? I do.

~Dave the disruptor~
google will pay you money to getting rid of ie :)
http://explorerdestroyer.com/
http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/


From: Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 5:27 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: RE: cf open shopping cart

And you are..







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RE: cf open shopping cart

[Mark A Kruger]

Dave ... other communities don't have that excuse...

I think that's a stretch. I would wager that in other communities (as well
as life church and your local elementary) about 10% of the people end up
doing about 90% of the work.

-Mark

P.S. Where are these hot chics who do geek-podcasts?

-Original Message-
From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 10:14 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: cf open shopping cart


I agree with some of justins points but the other communities don't seem to
have that excuse so why should we? It's just people being lazy is all it
is

Personally, I don't care, if i need a quick solution I'll just go over to
the php community and get it. With my tail between my legs and be ridiculed
because the cfm community is so self centered and lame. They are right, we
don't have crap, no wonder why we are perceived how we are.

Casey, you could be right to but why even try, can't you see that cfm dev'rs
don't care enough, except the rays of the community which aren't very many.

I'd be first on board but now i'm gunna be like everyone else and say sorry
but I'm too important to help with such a petty project, instead I'm gunna
go drive around in my yugo and listen to geek podcasts while stalking hot
chics...

Personally, I think most people on here are to selfconscious to let us all
see the code THEY actually write.

~Dave the disruptor~
google will pay you money to getting rid of ie :)
http://explorerdestroyer.com/
http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/


From: Casey Dougall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 10:56 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Re: cf open shopping cart

Right on Justin,
trying to START a project like this as a community effort will lead to
disaster.

I think this is a case of oscommerce envy. People love Open-Source and Free
but haven't been around enough to see just how much hassle it it to keep
something like that going. I bet Harald the man who started it all at OSC
from time to time held his finger on the kill button saying GADS Just
shut up already! But some how kept that project going. Granted it's got some
little flaws but dam...

Mind you I rember when Hostscripts.com listed more Perl scripts then PHP.

If you can make that in coldfusion and have the developer network to back it
up, I all about assisting, buy why?

People are still selling online but it's so centralized that a shopping cart
of that nature takes hours of hacking to get where you client might need so
why bother. As long as the Gateway API's keep rolling out who cares about
full shopping carts.

When I look at hotscripts.com I see huge potentle for Coldfusion developers
to pick it up a notch and show the world we actually can work for free.
Who's first?

Casey





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RE: cf open shopping cart

[Mark A Kruger]

Dave,

Ok - what's the site for the new open shopping cart I haven't even
looked at it (sorry).

-mark


-Original Message-
From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 10:14 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: cf open shopping cart


I agree with some of justins points but the other communities don't seem to
have that excuse so why should we? It's just people being lazy is all it
is

Personally, I don't care, if i need a quick solution I'll just go over to
the php community and get it. With my tail between my legs and be ridiculed
because the cfm community is so self centered and lame. They are right, we
don't have crap, no wonder why we are perceived how we are.

Casey, you could be right to but why even try, can't you see that cfm dev'rs
don't care enough, except the rays of the community which aren't very many.

I'd be first on board but now i'm gunna be like everyone else and say sorry
but I'm too important to help with such a petty project, instead I'm gunna
go drive around in my yugo and listen to geek podcasts while stalking hot
chics...

Personally, I think most people on here are to selfconscious to let us all
see the code THEY actually write.

~Dave the disruptor~
google will pay you money to getting rid of ie :)
http://explorerdestroyer.com/
http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/


From: Casey Dougall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 10:56 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Re: cf open shopping cart

Right on Justin,
trying to START a project like this as a community effort will lead to
disaster.

I think this is a case of oscommerce envy. People love Open-Source and Free
but haven't been around enough to see just how much hassle it it to keep
something like that going. I bet Harald the man who started it all at OSC
from time to time held his finger on the kill button saying GADS Just
shut up already! But some how kept that project going. Granted it's got some
little flaws but dam...

Mind you I rember when Hostscripts.com listed more Perl scripts then PHP.

If you can make that in coldfusion and have the developer network to back it
up, I all about assisting, buy why?

People are still selling online but it's so centralized that a shopping cart
of that nature takes hours of hacking to get where you client might need so
why bother. As long as the Gateway API's keep rolling out who cares about
full shopping carts.

When I look at hotscripts.com I see huge potentle for Coldfusion developers
to pick it up a notch and show the world we actually can work for free.
Who's first?

Casey





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RE: cf open shopping cart

[Mark A Kruger]

Mike,

Well said. I had much the same reaction as you.  I would even devote some
company resources to it - but it sounded a little fuzzy from the outset. In
my experience most projects ar spear-headed by a person or very small team
who direct the vision.  There's a reason the communist never built a decent
car (Dave's Yugo notwithstanding :)I'll second your offer with one of my
own. I will promise to add enough deficiencies to inspire a host of
developers (ha).

-Mark


-Original Message-
From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 5:06 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: cf open shopping cart


Well I for one was watching this project kick off with interest.
Initially I saw it as an opportunity for me to contribute something back to
the community that has been so good to me over quite a few years now.   I
thought I would gain from it because it would also be good for me to be
involved in a collaborative project, because I do nearly everything by
myself these days.  I know I have some expertise in some aspects of this
project, and nearly no expertise in other aspects so I thought I could
contribute as well as learn.

So i was about to put my hand up and say I'll dive in and help.

Then the bickering started.  Back and forth about what it was going to be,
and what it was going to do. First it was going to be like this,  then like
that,  then like something else, without anyone offering a clear idea
of what it was going to be.   uh oh, I said to myself  this looks just
like x - a nighmare of a project I was involved in years ago and it'll be
ages before anyone gets anywhere with it. I was about to suggest a
functional spec, when someone else pooh-poohed the use of CFCs.   Someone
said they didnt want to use this new-fangled CFC stuff.They wanted to
write the shopping cart using more conventional procedural code. To be
frank I saw this as adding nothing to the cf community.   there is already
an excellent procedural shopping cart thanks to Ben Forta in the CFWACK and
quite frankly I dont see what you could do in an open source cart that
wasn't already there in the book, and which I've already used, adapted and
modified several times.

I didnt say anything at the time because most of the participants seemed to
like that approach.  Rather than try to rain on the parade, I put my hand
back down and  decided to go my own way.  If you guys want to build a new
procedural shopping cart, good luck to you, I'll be standing there
applauding when and if it's finished.

However if anyone wants to take this project in a different direction, I am
more than willing to put my shoulder to the wheel.But I'd say there has
to be a few things different:

   - someone  has to be elected, appointed or self-appointed as the
   project leader (look at the success of the model-glue project - due in no
   small part to the fact that Joe Rinehart has put his personal goolies on
the
   line and has taken charge of it)
   - There has to be a clear definition of what the project is for.  I'm
   afraid, open source shopping cart doesnt cut it.  There are already
   several that if not free are close to it.   Most people either have
CFWACK
   or know someone who has and there have ready access to how to build a
   procedural shopping cart..What's going to be different about this
one?

From these two things will flow a proper functional spec and a direction to
the project.   At this point, since I havent been following the details of
the project, you may well have defined the project, but I havent seen it, so
I cant offer my help.

I'll be glad to add whatever skills and energy I have that might contribute
to an open source shopping cart if it's going to be a project that works.
And if it's going to add something new to the world.   Just another 'me too'
shopping cart isnt worth the effort, except that it gives the contributors
experience and new skills.  And to put it bluntly, I'm interested in
developing my skills in the use of CFCs and OOP, not just redoing something
I've been doing for eight years now.

And that fact that you're lashing about Dave, tells me this project is a
mess right now.  It needs an objective that will inspire people to be
involved.   The CFEclipse project has inspired it's contributors because
they saw deficiencies in the existing tools and figured they could do a
better one.  I reckon if they'd started out saying lets build a development
tool that's like notepad with a couple of other features it would have gone
nowhere.

Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
AFP Webworks
http://afpwebworks.com
ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month




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RE: cf open shopping cart

[Aldon]

I have been following the post on both sites since it was posted, and its
not been clear where we are going. I won't be quick to accuse anyone of
sitting around when there still isn't a clear-cut approach to the
development defined. We all have other responsibilities and are willing to
contribute but the foundation needs to be clearly defined.

m2cents


-Original Message-
From: Jennifer Gavin-Wear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:48 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: cf open shopping cart

umm .. I've got my cart written in the last month ;)

lol

-Original Message-
From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 09 January 2006 22:33
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: cf open shopping cart


 And you are.. 
 saying its pretty damn pathetic that no one is helping out with the damn
project.

been what? 2 months now and whats been done? nothing. and don't you
think that is pathetic of us as a group? I do.

~Dave the disruptor~
google will pay you money to getting rid of ie :)
http://explorerdestroyer.com/
http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/


From: Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 5:27 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: RE: cf open shopping cart

And you are..









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RE: cf open shopping cart

[Aldon]

Mike,  I feel the same


-Original Message-
From: Mark A Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 9:36 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: cf open shopping cart

Mike,

Well said. I had much the same reaction as you.  I would even devote some
company resources to it - but it sounded a little fuzzy from the outset. In
my experience most projects ar spear-headed by a person or very small team
who direct the vision.  There's a reason the communist never built a decent
car (Dave's Yugo notwithstanding :)I'll second your offer with one of my
own. I will promise to add enough deficiencies to inspire a host of
developers (ha).

-Mark


-Original Message-
From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 5:06 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: cf open shopping cart


Well I for one was watching this project kick off with interest.
Initially I saw it as an opportunity for me to contribute something back to
the community that has been so good to me over quite a few years now.   I
thought I would gain from it because it would also be good for me to be
involved in a collaborative project, because I do nearly everything by
myself these days.  I know I have some expertise in some aspects of this
project, and nearly no expertise in other aspects so I thought I could
contribute as well as learn.

So i was about to put my hand up and say I'll dive in and help.

Then the bickering started.  Back and forth about what it was going to be,
and what it was going to do. First it was going to be like this,  then like
that,  then like something else, without anyone offering a clear idea
of what it was going to be.   uh oh, I said to myself  this looks just
like x - a nighmare of a project I was involved in years ago and it'll be
ages before anyone gets anywhere with it. I was about to suggest a
functional spec, when someone else pooh-poohed the use of CFCs.   Someone
said they didnt want to use this new-fangled CFC stuff.They wanted to
write the shopping cart using more conventional procedural code. To be
frank I saw this as adding nothing to the cf community.   there is already
an excellent procedural shopping cart thanks to Ben Forta in the CFWACK and
quite frankly I dont see what you could do in an open source cart that
wasn't already there in the book, and which I've already used, adapted and
modified several times.

I didnt say anything at the time because most of the participants seemed to
like that approach.  Rather than try to rain on the parade, I put my hand
back down and  decided to go my own way.  If you guys want to build a new
procedural shopping cart, good luck to you, I'll be standing there
applauding when and if it's finished.

However if anyone wants to take this project in a different direction, I am
more than willing to put my shoulder to the wheel.But I'd say there has
to be a few things different:

   - someone  has to be elected, appointed or self-appointed as the
   project leader (look at the success of the model-glue project - due in no
   small part to the fact that Joe Rinehart has put his personal goolies on
the
   line and has taken charge of it)
   - There has to be a clear definition of what the project is for.  I'm
   afraid, open source shopping cart doesnt cut it.  There are already
   several that if not free are close to it.   Most people either have
CFWACK
   or know someone who has and there have ready access to how to build a
   procedural shopping cart..What's going to be different about this
one?

From these two things will flow a proper functional spec and a direction to
the project.   At this point, since I havent been following the details of
the project, you may well have defined the project, but I havent seen it, so
I cant offer my help.

I'll be glad to add whatever skills and energy I have that might contribute
to an open source shopping cart if it's going to be a project that works.
And if it's going to add something new to the world.   Just another 'me too'
shopping cart isnt worth the effort, except that it gives the contributors
experience and new skills.  And to put it bluntly, I'm interested in
developing my skills in the use of CFCs and OOP, not just redoing something
I've been doing for eight years now.

And that fact that you're lashing about Dave, tells me this project is a
mess right now.  It needs an objective that will inspire people to be
involved.   The CFEclipse project has inspired it's contributors because
they saw deficiencies in the existing tools and figured they could do a
better one.  I reckon if they'd started out saying lets build a development
tool that's like notepad with a couple of other features it would have gone
nowhere.

Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
AFP Webworks
http://afpwebworks.com
ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month

RE: cf open shopping cart

[Bud]

If you REALLY want an open-source shopping cart in CF, someone, one person,
will just need buckle down and write a feature set, decide on a framework,
and CODE MOST OF IT OUT.

Hasn't Ben Forta done that? Mine was based on the one out of WACK 4, 
a lng time ago. :)

I've been working on cf_ezcart for 6 years. I've sold well over 500 
licenses and I think I've added a new feature for 3 out of 4 of those 
sales. Every freaking body that buys a shopping carts wants something 
different. Crazy pricing schemes. And shipping? Unbelievable some of 
the weird stuff people come up with.

Anyway, as a fellow cf developer, I wish everyone luck. As a 
competitor, I hope your project falls on it's butt. :)
-- 

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RE: cf open shopping cart

[Russ]

Like was said before, what this project needs is a good project manager to
manage the whole thing.  Somebody needs to either 

a. build the whole thing themselves and let people add features or 
b. figure out the spec and possibly through a round of RFC's solidify it and
then break it up and have different developers work on it.  

The project will never take off the ground if somebody doesn't take lead.
It doesn't have to be the best shopping cart right off the bat, I'm sure
that there will be a lot of learning while the cart gets to v1, and probably
a huge revamp to get to v2, where it will probably finally be a usable
product.  

So who's it going to be?  Who's going to take the lead and manage this
thing?

-Original Message-
From: Aldon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 9:06 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: cf open shopping cart

Mike,  I feel the same


-Original Message-
From: Mark A Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 9:36 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: cf open shopping cart

Mike,

Well said. I had much the same reaction as you.  I would even devote some
company resources to it - but it sounded a little fuzzy from the outset. In
my experience most projects ar spear-headed by a person or very small team
who direct the vision.  There's a reason the communist never built a decent
car (Dave's Yugo notwithstanding :)I'll second your offer with one of my
own. I will promise to add enough deficiencies to inspire a host of
developers (ha).

-Mark


-Original Message-
From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 5:06 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: cf open shopping cart


Well I for one was watching this project kick off with interest.
Initially I saw it as an opportunity for me to contribute something back to
the community that has been so good to me over quite a few years now.   I
thought I would gain from it because it would also be good for me to be
involved in a collaborative project, because I do nearly everything by
myself these days.  I know I have some expertise in some aspects of this
project, and nearly no expertise in other aspects so I thought I could
contribute as well as learn.

So i was about to put my hand up and say I'll dive in and help.

Then the bickering started.  Back and forth about what it was going to be,
and what it was going to do. First it was going to be like this,  then like
that,  then like something else, without anyone offering a clear idea
of what it was going to be.   uh oh, I said to myself  this looks just
like x - a nighmare of a project I was involved in years ago and it'll be
ages before anyone gets anywhere with it. I was about to suggest a
functional spec, when someone else pooh-poohed the use of CFCs.   Someone
said they didnt want to use this new-fangled CFC stuff.They wanted to
write the shopping cart using more conventional procedural code. To be
frank I saw this as adding nothing to the cf community.   there is already
an excellent procedural shopping cart thanks to Ben Forta in the CFWACK and
quite frankly I dont see what you could do in an open source cart that
wasn't already there in the book, and which I've already used, adapted and
modified several times.

I didnt say anything at the time because most of the participants seemed to
like that approach.  Rather than try to rain on the parade, I put my hand
back down and  decided to go my own way.  If you guys want to build a new
procedural shopping cart, good luck to you, I'll be standing there
applauding when and if it's finished.

However if anyone wants to take this project in a different direction, I am
more than willing to put my shoulder to the wheel.But I'd say there has
to be a few things different:

   - someone  has to be elected, appointed or self-appointed as the
   project leader (look at the success of the model-glue project - due in no
   small part to the fact that Joe Rinehart has put his personal goolies on
the
   line and has taken charge of it)
   - There has to be a clear definition of what the project is for.  I'm
   afraid, open source shopping cart doesnt cut it.  There are already
   several that if not free are close to it.   Most people either have
CFWACK
   or know someone who has and there have ready access to how to build a
   procedural shopping cart..What's going to be different about this
one?

From these two things will flow a proper functional spec and a direction to
the project.   At this point, since I havent been following the details of
the project, you may well have defined the project, but I havent seen it, so
I cant offer my help.

I'll be glad to add whatever skills and energy I have that might contribute
to an open source shopping cart if it's going to be a project that works.
And if it's going to add something new to the world.   Just another 'me too'
shopping cart isnt worth the effort, except that it gives the contributors
experience

RE: cf open shopping cart

[Brad Wood]

-Crickets- *no one moves*

:)

What is an RFC?  (Sorry for the stupid question.)

~Brad


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Re: cf open shopping cart

[Bryan Stevenson]

 That's cool I wont ask about it anymore or try to help out the community 
 since 
 most of you are just so great that you are above helping out

 ~Dave the disruptor~

Cool your jets big guy and try not to tar the entire list with the same brush 
and feathers ;-)

Some of uswell work for a living...hehe

Personally I have just taken on 2 new staff2 more coming in the next month 
or so.  These folks are working for me on a HUGE federal government project 
which is an equally HUGE change in the way they do business.  To top it off 
this 
project has spurred on some much needed house cleaning from a data 
standpointcreating a bunch of spin-off projects.  These are CF 7, Oracle 
9i, 
JS/DMHTML/AJAX.  So now I'm overseeing the project and the staff along with my 
own workload.

I simply do not have time to give to this project although I'd love to do it.

So the way I can give back is to continue to provide advice on this list which 
I 
have been a member of since around 98/99.

I do not own an XBOXI prefer physical activity (no swaying on the couch to 
the movements of the game does not constitute physical activity).  I go out on 
my 2000 Yamaha SuperJet and keep practing my areial tricks...was out last 
weekend actually (no fat ass here pal).

So there ya go Dissy D...it ain't all black and white ;-)

Cheers

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Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
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RE: cf open shopping cart

[Russ]

RFC is a request for comments.  We can't have everybody try to set the
specs, but someone should write out the specs, and then post it for everyone
else to critique.  After a few rounds of critique, most of the kinks should
be worked out. 

This is how new standards get set in place.  SMTP, HTTP are a few examples.




-Original Message-
From: Brad Wood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 11:09 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: cf open shopping cart

-Crickets- *no one moves*

:)

What is an RFC?  (Sorry for the stupid question.)

~Brad


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Re: cf open shopping cart

[Ken Ferguson]

I think your judgment of others not wanting to join your project is a 
little off. It's kind of odd to attack others for not sharing desire to 
work on a particular project. Why is it that you think everyone in the 
community should share YOUR priorities? Why do you think everyone else 
should necessarily think the project is important or would be worth 
spending their time working on? Maybe if you want cheapie free crap, PHP 
is where you should be looking in the first place.

It's not all attributable to laziness. Take me for instance, few people 
in this world would ever call me lazy, but you'll certainly not catch me 
participating in a project like this. I wish those who do all the best, 
but there's just no upside in it for me. It's certainly not something 
I'd ever choose to do with my spare time, of which I have very little to 
begin with. I work my ass off all day long and then I go home and 
concentrate on my #1 priority - kids. Then, in the small amount of spare 
time I do have, I'll work on attaining new rental property, playing 
hockey and climbing. I can't tell you how far down the list of 
leisure-time activities I'd have to go before I found the bullet point, 
working on an open source project.

So, I think it's more a matter of people's priorities than it is with 
whether or not they're lazy. Some of you guys like to go home from your 
dev jobs and sit in front of a computer and that's fine for you. For 
those like me though, we'd have to be forced at gunpoint to stare at a 
monitor for more time than it takes to add some new stuff to the iPod 
after getting home from a long day at work. I'm guessing that's the main 
reason that these projects are difficult to get done and it's hardly 
something for which they/we ought to be attacked. If you want to do 
something and it's important to you, then why don't you get off YOUR 
lazy ass and do it instead of expecting others to get it done and 
attacking the community at large for not sharing your desire to work on it.

--Ferg


dave wrote:

I agree with some of justins points but the other communities don't seem to 
have that excuse so why should we? It's just people being lazy is all it 
is

Personally, I don't care, if i need a quick solution I'll just go over to the 
php community and get it. With my tail between my legs and be ridiculed 
because the cfm community is so self centered and lame. They are right, we 
don't have crap, no wonder why we are perceived how we are.

Casey, you could be right to but why even try, can't you see that cfm dev'rs 
don't care enough, except the rays of the community which aren't very many.

I'd be first on board but now i'm gunna be like everyone else and say sorry 
but I'm too important to help with such a petty project, instead I'm gunna go 
drive around in my yugo and listen to geek podcasts while stalking hot 
chics...

Personally, I think most people on here are to selfconscious to let us all see 
the code THEY actually write.

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RE: cf open shopping cart

[Snake]

Actually of that is to do with rhe fact that no-one in the cf community
wants to give away anything for free. Everyone who writes some crappy tag
tries to sell it.

Snake 

-Original Message-
From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 10 January 2006 04:14
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: cf open shopping cart

I agree with some of justins points but the other communities don't seem to
have that excuse so why should we? It's just people being lazy is all it
is

Personally, I don't care, if i need a quick solution I'll just go over to
the php community and get it. With my tail between my legs and be ridiculed
because the cfm community is so self centered and lame. They are right, we
don't have crap, no wonder why we are perceived how we are.

Casey, you could be right to but why even try, can't you see that cfm dev'rs
don't care enough, except the rays of the community which aren't very many.

I'd be first on board but now i'm gunna be like everyone else and say sorry
but I'm too important to help with such a petty project, instead I'm gunna
go drive around in my yugo and listen to geek podcasts while stalking hot
chics...

Personally, I think most people on here are to selfconscious to let us all
see the code THEY actually write.

~Dave the disruptor~
google will pay you money to getting rid of ie :)
http://explorerdestroyer.com/ http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/ 


From: Casey Dougall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 10:56 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Re: cf open shopping cart 

Right on Justin,
trying to START a project like this as a community effort will lead to
disaster.

I think this is a case of oscommerce envy. People love Open-Source and Free
but haven't been around enough to see just how much hassle it it to keep
something like that going. I bet Harald the man who started it all at OSC
from time to time held his finger on the kill button saying GADS Just
shut up already! But some how kept that project going. Granted it's got some
little flaws but dam...

Mind you I rember when Hostscripts.com listed more Perl scripts then PHP.

If you can make that in coldfusion and have the developer network to back it
up, I all about assisting, buy why?

People are still selling online but it's so centralized that a shopping cart
of that nature takes hours of hacking to get where you client might need so
why bother. As long as the Gateway API's keep rolling out who cares about
full shopping carts.

When I look at hotscripts.com I see huge potentle for Coldfusion developers
to pick it up a notch and show the world we actually can work for free.
Who's first?

Casey





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Re: cf open shopping cart

[Joe Rinehart]

 or so.  These folks are working for me on a HUGE federal government project
 which is an equally HUGE change in the way they do business.  To top it off 
 this
 project has spurred on some much needed house cleaning from a data
 standpointcreating a bunch of spin-off projects.  These are CF 7, Oracle 
 9i,
 JS/DMHTML/AJAX.

Careful with that AJAX stuff and the Feds, they'll go all 508 on ya :)

-Joe

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RE: cf open shopping cart

[Brad Wood]

508??


Careful with that AJAX stuff and the Feds, they'll go all 508 on ya :)



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Re: cf open shopping cart

[Bryan Stevenson]

 Careful with that AJAX stuff and the Feds, they'll go all 508 on ya :)

We're in Canada...no such beastie as 508 here (although we have an 
equivalent)no matter thoughinternal app so those rules do not 
applythansk though ;-)

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Re: cf open shopping cart

[Joe Rinehart]

A, you lucky Canadians and your common-sense approach to
self-governance!  I took my first trip to Canada last spring, and
thought it was an absolutely great country.

-Joe

On 1/10/06, Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Careful with that AJAX stuff and the Feds, they'll go all 508 on ya :)

 We're in Canada...no such beastie as 508 here (although we have an
 equivalent)no matter thoughinternal app so those rules do not
 applythansk though ;-)

 Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
 VP  Director of E-Commerce Development
 Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
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 fax: 250.480.1264
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Re: cf open shopping cart

[Bryan Stevenson]

 A, you lucky Canadians and your common-sense approach to
 self-governance!  I took my first trip to Canada last spring, and
 thought it was an absolutely great country.
 
 -Joe

Come back and see us anytime Joeglad ya liked it ;-)

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Re: cf open shopping cart

[Bryan Stevenson]

508 = accessibility compliance

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RE: cf open shopping cart

[Bobby Hartsfield]

Damn... lost another one to #replace(str, Geiko, Canada)#... 

;-)
 
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From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 2:09 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: cf open shopping cart

 A, you lucky Canadians and your common-sense approach to
 self-governance!  I took my first trip to Canada last spring, and
 thought it was an absolutely great country.
 
 -Joe

Come back and see us anytime Joeglad ya liked it ;-)

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RE: cf open shopping cart

[Andy]

And you are.. 

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To: CF-Talk
Subject: cf open shopping cart

~crickets~

pretty pathetic you guys

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RE: cf open shopping cart

[dave]

 And you are.. 
 saying its pretty damn pathetic that no one is helping out with the damn 
project.

been what? 2 months now and whats been done? nothing. and don't you think 
that is pathetic of us as a group? I do.

~Dave the disruptor~
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From: Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 5:27 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: RE: cf open shopping cart 

And you are.. 





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Re: cf open shopping cart

[John C. Bland II]

Not the cf-talk group. We can't all be held accountable for the project not
going anywhere. I started but soon let everyone know it was a conflict in
interest, once I realized the full scope, and I backed out. So, to post your
message here seems inappropriate. IMO, you should post to the site/forum
where the project was being developed since everyone on it is directly
related to the project.

/2cents

On 1/9/06, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  And you are.. 
 saying its pretty damn pathetic that no one is helping out with the damn
 project.

 been what? 2 months now and whats been done? nothing. and don't you
 think that is pathetic of us as a group? I do.

 ~Dave the disruptor~
 google will pay you money to getting rid of ie :)
 http://explorerdestroyer.com/
 http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/

 
 From: Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 5:27 PM
 To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
 Subject: RE: cf open shopping cart

 And you are..





 

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Re: cf open shopping cart

[dave]

No but you can help and thats the point, its pretty pathic when there are 
thousands of ppl on the list and there are like 3 ppl who volunteered to help.
And the message was posted here to try and get a few of you off your fat 
overweight asses and lend a hand to help out the community. You can bitch that 
php has all these cool free things but very few of you actually do anything 
besides bitch about it ( this isnt including the people like ray and james and 
those who do stuff).

A conflict of interest? What was your xbox calling?
Funny how ppl dont have time to help but they can go home and play xbox all 
night but not to help a community project.
Yeah I coulda posted to the cart list but I'm quite sure all 3 of us on there 
are aware..

 We can't all be held accountable for the project 
You are right... Some mystical magical force straight outta the xbox is gunna 
come do it all for us.
Maybe we should just ask the php ppl to come wipe our asses and build us stuff, 
since obviously our community is lacking so bad that we can't get-r-done.

That's cool I wont ask about it anymore or try to help out the community since 
most of you are just so great that you are above helping out

~Dave the disruptor~
google will pay you money to getting rid of ie :)
http://explorerdestroyer.com/
http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/ 


From: John C. Bland II [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 6:16 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Re: cf open shopping cart 

Not the cf-talk group. We can't all be held accountable for the project not
going anywhere. I started but soon let everyone know it was a conflict in
interest, once I realized the full scope, and I backed out. So, to post your
message here seems inappropriate. IMO, you should post to the site/forum
where the project was being developed since everyone on it is directly
related to the project.

On 1/9/06, dave  wrote:

  And you are.. 
 saying its pretty damn pathetic that no one is helping out with the damn
 project.

 been what? 2 months now and whats been done? nothing. and don't you
 think that is pathetic of us as a group? I do.

 ~Dave the disruptor~
 google will pay you money to getting rid of ie :)
 http://explorerdestroyer.com/
 http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/

 
 From: Andy 
 Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 5:27 PM
 To: CF-Talk 
 Subject: RE: cf open shopping cart

 And you are..





 



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RE: cf open shopping cart

[Justin D. Scott]

 No but you can help and thats the point, its pretty
 pathic when there are thousands of ppl on the list
 and there are like 3 ppl who volunteered to help.

I watched in horror when the initial discussions about this were popping up
a few months ago.  In my experience, trying to START a project like this as
a community effort will lead to disaster.  Many people will have great
ideas, some will commit to helping, and some of those will back out as they
realize that their time is better spent doing other things.

The ones that remain will generally bitch about the ones that left and
commit further to finish a project anyway.  Unfortunately, the next step is
usually disagreement over what features to include, what framework will be
used, coding standards, what will determine when the first release is
finished, etc.  Because of all the disagreements and ego contests, nothing
gets done, and the project falls apart.

If you REALLY want an open-source shopping cart in CF, someone, one person,
will just need buckle down and write a feature set, decide on a framework,
and CODE MOST OF IT OUT.  Write the base code to a point where it's at least
somewhat functional.  That means it supports basic features, supports one or
two common payment gateways, has basic shipping calculations, maybe e-gift
cards or coupons, etc.

Then, take that code and start a community project.  Throw that base at the
community and people will be much more likely to step in and flesh it out.
The hard part will be done.  Someone who uses a particular payment gateway
may be fine with submitting code for that gateway and spending a day
integrating it, but maybe they're not willing to spend several days or weeks
chasing arguments over frameworks.

If one person has the time and smarts to write a decent, flexible, scalable
framework, the community will be far more likely to step up and plug stuff
into it.  I'm not the person to do that right now because of my work load,
but that's what I believe will need to happen if this idea is ever going to
see a release.

Just my $0.02 on the matter.


-Justin Scott


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Re: cf open shopping cart

[Casey Dougall]

Right on Justin,
trying to START a project like this as a community effort will lead to
disaster.

I think this is a case of oscommerce envy. People love Open-Source and Free
but haven't been around enough to see just how much hassle it it to keep
something like that going. I bet Harald the man who started it all at OSC
from time to time held his finger on the kill button saying GADS Just
shut up already! But some how kept that project going. Granted it's got some
little flaws but dam...

Mind you I rember when Hostscripts.com listed more Perl scripts then PHP.

If you can make that in coldfusion and have the developer network to back it
up, I all about assisting, buy why?

People are still selling online but it's so centralized that a shopping cart
of that nature takes hours of hacking to get where you client might need so
why bother. As long as the Gateway API's keep rolling out who cares about
full shopping carts.

When I look at hotscripts.com I see huge potentle for Coldfusion developers
to pick it up a notch and show the world we actually can work for free.
Who's first?


Casey


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RE: cf open shopping cart

[Mark Fuqua]

I think alot of this has to do with the size of the communities.  I just
downloaded the QuickBooks SDK and was interested in finding some information
about how to integrate it with my application using web services.

Since I am a bit green, I decided to see if someone had already done it and
searched for ColdFusion on the site, which also included a search of the
developers forums.  It returned no results, so I tried cold fusion as two
words and got one match.  That match was a bust...basically an ad for a
third party program which could be used by cold fusion as well as every
other language out there.

So I tried PHP...it returned over 6500 records!  I think our beloved
ColdFusion has a rather small following.

Mark





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Re: cf open shopping cart

[dave]

I agree with some of justins points but the other communities don't seem to 
have that excuse so why should we? It's just people being lazy is all it 
is

Personally, I don't care, if i need a quick solution I'll just go over to the 
php community and get it. With my tail between my legs and be ridiculed because 
the cfm community is so self centered and lame. They are right, we don't have 
crap, no wonder why we are perceived how we are.

Casey, you could be right to but why even try, can't you see that cfm dev'rs 
don't care enough, except the rays of the community which aren't very many.

I'd be first on board but now i'm gunna be like everyone else and say sorry 
but I'm too important to help with such a petty project, instead I'm gunna go 
drive around in my yugo and listen to geek podcasts while stalking hot 
chics...

Personally, I think most people on here are to selfconscious to let us all see 
the code THEY actually write.

~Dave the disruptor~
google will pay you money to getting rid of ie :)
http://explorerdestroyer.com/
http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/ 


From: Casey Dougall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 10:56 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Re: cf open shopping cart 

Right on Justin,
trying to START a project like this as a community effort will lead to
disaster.

I think this is a case of oscommerce envy. People love Open-Source and Free
but haven't been around enough to see just how much hassle it it to keep
something like that going. I bet Harald the man who started it all at OSC
from time to time held his finger on the kill button saying GADS Just
shut up already! But some how kept that project going. Granted it's got some
little flaws but dam...

Mind you I rember when Hostscripts.com listed more Perl scripts then PHP.

If you can make that in coldfusion and have the developer network to back it
up, I all about assisting, buy why?

People are still selling online but it's so centralized that a shopping cart
of that nature takes hours of hacking to get where you client might need so
why bother. As long as the Gateway API's keep rolling out who cares about
full shopping carts.

When I look at hotscripts.com I see huge potentle for Coldfusion developers
to pick it up a notch and show the world we actually can work for free.
Who's first?

Casey



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RE: cf open shopping cart

[dave]

exactly!!

Not that cfm has a small following, just a lazy one

~Dave the disruptor~
google will pay you money to getting rid of ie :)
http://explorerdestroyer.com/
http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/ 


From: Mark Fuqua [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 11:14 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: RE: cf open shopping cart 

I think alot of this has to do with the size of the communities. I just
downloaded the QuickBooks SDK and was interested in finding some information
about how to integrate it with my application using web services.

Since I am a bit green, I decided to see if someone had already done it and
searched for ColdFusion on the site, which also included a search of the
developers forums. It returned no results, so I tried cold fusion as two
words and got one match. That match was a bust...basically an ad for a
third party program which could be used by cold fusion as well as every
other language out there.

So I tried PHP...it returned over 6500 records! I think our beloved
ColdFusion has a rather small following.

Mark



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Re: cf open shopping cart

[James Holmes]

I think it also has a different following. Many (not all, I know) CF
users are Govt/Edu people who develop solutions that have been paid
for by their employer on infrastructure and CF servers that all cost
money - this doesn't lead to the same open source spirit that LAMP
does (e.g. Fred Bloggs just spent 8 hours dealing with CF apps for the
Department of Applied Basket Weaving at STFU; the last thing he wants
to do when he gets home is spend another few hours working on an open
source project).

On 1/10/06, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 exactly!!

 Not that cfm has a small following, just a lazy one

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RE: cf open shopping cart

[Andy]

Dave,
My point was that while I have attempted to engage the group in a process,
everyone has been busy.  Especially with the holidays.

So, if you want to help, go to the site, and add your thoughts and work
there. I am going to continue the work, since
I need this for wife's business and I hope that making it opensource would
encourage a few people to help.

-Original Message-
From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 11:33 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: cf open shopping cart

 And you are.. 
 saying its pretty damn pathetic that no one is helping out with the damn
project.

been what? 2 months now and whats been done? nothing. and don't you
think that is pathetic of us as a group? I do.

~Dave the disruptor~
google will pay you money to getting rid of ie :)
http://explorerdestroyer.com/ http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/ 



From: Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 5:27 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: RE: cf open shopping cart 

And you are.. 







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RE: cf open shopping cart

[Andy]

Lol

What's your Xbox name.  I just want to kick the #$%# out of you in Halo.  I
am TwoSkunkyBeers, but haven't been on for around 2 months.

Andy 

-Original Message-
From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:49 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: cf open shopping cart

No but you can help and thats the point, its pretty pathic when there are
thousands of ppl on the list and there are like 3 ppl who volunteered to
help.
And the message was posted here to try and get a few of you off your fat
overweight asses and lend a hand to help out the community. You can bitch
that php has all these cool free things but very few of you actually do
anything besides bitch about it ( this isnt including the people like ray
and james and those who do stuff).

A conflict of interest? What was your xbox calling?
Funny how ppl dont have time to help but they can go home and play xbox all
night but not to help a community project.
Yeah I coulda posted to the cart list but I'm quite sure all 3 of us on
there are aware..

 We can't all be held accountable for the project 
You are right... Some mystical magical force straight outta the xbox is
gunna come do it all for us.
Maybe we should just ask the php ppl to come wipe our asses and build us
stuff, since obviously our community is lacking so bad that we can't
get-r-done.

That's cool I wont ask about it anymore or try to help out the community
since most of you are just so great that you are above helping out

~Dave the disruptor~
google will pay you money to getting rid of ie :)
http://explorerdestroyer.com/ http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/ 


From: John C. Bland II [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 6:16 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Re: cf open shopping cart 

Not the cf-talk group. We can't all be held accountable for the project not
going anywhere. I started but soon let everyone know it was a conflict in
interest, once I realized the full scope, and I backed out. So, to post your
message here seems inappropriate. IMO, you should post to the site/forum
where the project was being developed since everyone on it is directly
related to the project.

On 1/9/06, dave  wrote:

  And you are.. 
 saying its pretty damn pathetic that no one is helping out with the 
 damn project.

 been what? 2 months now and whats been done? nothing. and don't 
 you think that is pathetic of us as a group? I do.

 ~Dave the disruptor~
 google will pay you money to getting rid of ie :) 
 http://explorerdestroyer.com/ http://www.killbillsbrowser.com/

 
 From: Andy 
 Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 5:27 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: cf open shopping cart

 And you are..





 





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Re: cf open shopping cart

[Stan Winchester]

My son is working on a VB project using the QuickBooks SDK that will allow QB  
CF to talk. If you are interested in his project contact me off list at stan at 
aftershockweb dot com

I think alot of this has to do with the size of the communities.  I just
downloaded the QuickBooks SDK and was interested in finding some information
about how to integrate it with my application using web services.

Since I am a bit green, I decided to see if someone had already done it and
searched for ColdFusion on the site, which also included a search of the
developers forums.  It returned no results, so I tried cold fusion as two
words and got one match.  That match was a bust...basically an ad for a
third party program which could be used by cold fusion as well as every
other language out there.

So I tried PHP...it returned over 6500 records!  I think our beloved
ColdFusion has a rather small following.

Mark

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