RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Calvin Ward]

That's what I was thinking.

I've no experience with myspace.com either!

- Calvin 

-Original Message-
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 11:33 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

Wowmyspace.com must be huge.hm...no waitI've never heard of
it?? ;-)

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Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Charlie Griefer]

On 6/28/05, Daniel Ganter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050616/165173.html?.v=1
> >>
> >> Rey...
> >
> >with all due respect Rey, that's a press release from Myspace.com.
> >I don't put too much faith in press releases :)
> >
> >--
> >Charlie Griefer
> 
> 
> Seemed real enough to catch Jeremy Allaire's attention:
> http://breeze.brightcove.com/p94528478/

My point was that a press release is hardly from an unbiased source,
and therefore I have problems getting excited about what I read in
them.  Hell, the company that I work for sends us emails ("We're in
the News!"), which i get excited about...until I pull up the link and
it's a press release.

Hey, it says we're wonderful!  Of course it's going to say we're
wonderful.  We wrote it!!! :)

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Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Ken Ferguson]

This is one of those things that make you want to place your head on the 
ground and get a running start before kicking it across the room. I had 
a client with a project VERY SIMILAR to myspace.com a few years ago who 
wanted to offer me a substantial share of ownership in return for 
building it and I didn't really feel like it was worth getting involved 
in. My reluctance was, in part, due to the fact that it was to be a 
paid-only site with no free access, but was also due to an overall 
skepticism about whether the idea was viable in and of itself. Now I 
look back and wonder why I didn't jump all over it and do all I could to 
talk the guy into going the free access route. Oh well, who needs 
boatloads of cash anyway, right???

--Ferg

Burns, John D wrote:

>Actually, the teens and stuff are going crazy.  I have clients (bands
>and such) that will set up a myspace account just because so many of
>their fans live on myspace. That's on top of any kind of website we
>build them.  It's one of those crazy phenomenons like hotornot.com was
>back in the day.  Something so simple and for some reason the kids flock
>to it.
>
>
>John Burns
>Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
>Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer
> 
>
>  
>
>  
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Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Daniel Ganter]

>> http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050616/165173.html?.v=1
>> 
>> Rey...
>
>with all due respect Rey, that's a press release from Myspace.com.  
>I don't put too much faith in press releases :)
>
>-- 
>Charlie Griefer


Seemed real enough to catch Jeremy Allaire's attention:
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RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Burns, John D]

Actually, the teens and stuff are going crazy.  I have clients (bands
and such) that will set up a myspace account just because so many of
their fans live on myspace. That's on top of any kind of website we
build them.  It's one of those crazy phenomenons like hotornot.com was
back in the day.  Something so simple and for some reason the kids flock
to it.


John Burns
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer
 

-Original Message-
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 11:52 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

> hehe. I truly hope you're joking Bryan.
>
> Rey...

Not at allwhat is it...never heard of it?

Most likely it's something pushed in the media in the USso us
Canucks don't see it unless we go hunting for it.

To be honest I rarely visit any of the top 5 that were listed.  eBay is
the only one I actively use.and that's only because it's pretty much
impossible to find freestyle standup jetski parts where I live!!

Enlighten me Ray ;-)

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Re: ALEXA and other traffic ratings [WAS: RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon]

[Tyler Fitch]

IIRC,

Alexa gets their stats from the users who have installed the Alexa
Toolbar.  The more Alexa users that go to site xyz, the higher site
xyz will rank in the Alexa stats.

HTH,

t

On 6/28/05, Burns, John D <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On this topic of ranking the major sites, does anyone have any idea how
> Alexa and some of the other listings come up with these rankings?  I
> have a client of mine who went to alexa and did a search for his domain
> and came back telling me that their site is in the X% of the websites in
> the world or something like that.  The numbers he was giving me were
> nuts and didn't match our web server stats at all.  Are they getting
> these numbers from DNS hits or what?  I know we're not giving them our
> logs or numbers or anything so I'd be interested to know where they're
> coming from.  Any ideas?
> 
> 
> John Burns
> Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
> Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 12:18 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon
> 
> Neil Robertson-Ravo wrote:
> > Hmmm, I find that hard to believe, not BBC, and Google over Yahoo and
> > MSN? I would expect Passport to be up therebut I suppose like most
> 
> > of these things
> > 98.9324242424242989898 % of them are made up on the spot...
> 
> 
> That sounds like a bogus statistic. What's your source? :P
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: ALEXA and other traffic ratings [WAS: RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon]

[Bryan Stevenson]

> On this topic of ranking the major sites, does anyone have any idea how
> Alexa and some of the other listings come up with these rankings?  I
> have a client of mine who went to alexa and did a search for his domain
> and came back telling me that their site is in the X% of the websites in
> the world or something like that.  The numbers he was giving me were
> nuts and didn't match our web server stats at all.  Are they getting
> these numbers from DNS hits or what?  I know we're not giving them our
> logs or numbers or anything so I'd be interested to know where they're
> coming from.  Any ideas?
>
>
> John Burns

Well Johnfirst you need a large target on a wallthe center being the 
most traffic.then you give a monkey a pail full of big spit balls each 
containing the name of a website.  The monkey flings the spit balls (monkeys 
are good at flinging stuff you know...so they are well suited for this task) 
at the wallsand voila! traffic rankings

Perhaps someone has a slightly more scientific outlook on the processbut 
I think I've come close in my assessment ;-)

Cheers

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ALEXA and other traffic ratings [WAS: RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon]

[Burns, John D]

On this topic of ranking the major sites, does anyone have any idea how
Alexa and some of the other listings come up with these rankings?  I
have a client of mine who went to alexa and did a search for his domain
and came back telling me that their site is in the X% of the websites in
the world or something like that.  The numbers he was giving me were
nuts and didn't match our web server stats at all.  Are they getting
these numbers from DNS hits or what?  I know we're not giving them our
logs or numbers or anything so I'd be interested to know where they're
coming from.  Any ideas?


John Burns
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer
 

-Original Message-
From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 12:18 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

Neil Robertson-Ravo wrote:
> Hmmm, I find that hard to believe, not BBC, and Google over Yahoo and 
> MSN? I would expect Passport to be up therebut I suppose like most

> of these things
> 98.9324242424242989898 % of them are made up on the spot...


That sounds like a bogus statistic. What's your source? :P


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Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Cutter (CF-Talk)]

Actually I've got it blocked on our firewall because of the amount of 
exploits that get installed from there...

Bryan Stevenson wrote:

>Wowmyspace.com must be huge.hm...no waitI've never heard of 
>it?? ;-)
>
>Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
>VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
>Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
>phone: 250.480.0642
>fax: 250.480.1264
>cell: 250.920.8830
>e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>web: www.electricedgesystems.com 
>
>
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RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[S . Isaac Dealey]

Neil Robertson-Ravo wrote:
> Hmmm, I find that hard to believe, not BBC, and Google
> over Yahoo and MSN? I would expect Passport to be up
> therebut I suppose like most of these things
> 98.9324242424242989898 % of them are made up on the spot...


That sounds like a bogus statistic. What's your source? :P


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Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Bryan Stevenson]

> I guess that gets me 1-1/2 out of three, but I had never heard of MySpace
> either until they contacted us a few months ago...
> 
> Vince 


LOL...nice!

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Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[S . Isaac Dealey]

>  >>not only is it a high-traffic CFML site, but also it's
>  >>a Fusebox site.

> If they count all the includes implied a Fusebox site, no
> wonder it is a high-traffic site ;-))

I thought only ASP created a hit for each include file because it used
SSI.


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RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Damien McKenna]

> Bryan: Failure to know about myspace.com indicates one or 
> more of the following:
> (1) You're an old fart. Sadly, this means "over thirty".
> (2) You're young and married.
> (3) You live in a cave.

I'll have you know I resemble that remark!
(though I'm not thirty yet, almost but not quite)

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Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Jim McAtee]

Neither have I.  Looks like a lonely hearts club for the not-so-hip.


- Original Message - 
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Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon


> Wowmyspace.com must be huge.hm...no waitI've never heard 
> of
> it?? ;-)
>
> Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
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> Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
> phone: 250.480.0642
> fax: 250.480.1264
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> web: www.electricedgesystems.com


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RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Vince Bonfanti]

(1) I'm over thirty, so I guess I qualify as an old fart (my kids think so).
(2) I'm married, but is 44 still young?
(3) Moved out of the cave a few years ago.

I guess that gets me 1-1/2 out of three, but I had never heard of MySpace
either until they contacted us a few months ago...

Vince 

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> From: Roger B. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 11:46 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon
> 
> > Wowmyspace.com must be huge.hm...no waitI've never 
> > heard of it?? ;-)
> 
> Bryan: Failure to know about myspace.com indicates one or 
> more of the following:
> 
> (1) You're an old fart. Sadly, this means "over thirty".
> (2) You're young and married.
> (3) You live in a cave.
> 
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Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Jochem van Dieten]

Roger B. wrote:
> 
> Bryan: Failure to know about myspace.com indicates one or more of the 
> following:
> 
> (1) You're an old fart. Sadly, this means "over thirty".
> (2) You're young and married.
> (3) You live in a cave.

(4) One or more of the above apply to your social network.

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Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Bryan Stevenson]

> Bryan: Failure to know about myspace.com indicates one or more of the 
> following:
>
> (1) You're an old fart. Sadly, this means "over thirty".
31
> (2) You're young and married.
Just had 1 year aniversary (been together almost10 years)
> (3) You live in a cave.
mmcave!

I guess I spend most of my computer time coding I stopped surfing years 
agotoo much crap out there ;-)

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Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Adrocknaphobia]

I have some serious doubts that it is ranked the #5 most viewed
website. Where is that ranking coming from?

For those not in the know, mySpace is basically liveJournal (a blog)
and Friendster (community/networking) all in one. If you are single
and under the age of 25, you've most likely been on a date with
someone you met on mySpace. I think that is the best way to sum it up.
-Adam

On 6/28/05, Bryan Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >i just heard of it the other day... so it is possible for some not to
> > have heard of it...
> 
> Amen Clint!! ;-)
> 
> Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
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> phone: 250.480.0642
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Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Greg Morphis]

I fall in the 2nd category I guess. I'm married, if 30 is old, I'm
close but not there yet. I don't think I've ever heard of them either
until recently.

On 6/28/05, Roger B. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Wowmyspace.com must be huge.hm...no waitI've never heard of
> > it?? ;-)
> 
> Bryan: Failure to know about myspace.com indicates one or more of the 
> following:
> 
> (1) You're an old fart. Sadly, this means "over thirty".
> (2) You're young and married.
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Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[S . Isaac Dealey]

Until today I'd only heard about it vaguely from Tiff. That was in the
neighborhood of last week.

> i just heard of it the other day... so it is possible for
> some not to have heard of it...

> On 6/28/05, Rey Bango <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> hehe. I truly hope you're joking Bryan.
>>
>> Rey...
>>
>> Bryan Stevenson wrote:
>> > Wowmyspace.com must be huge.hm...no
>> > waitI've never heard of
>> > it?? ;-)
>> >
>> > Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
>> > VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
>> > Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
>> > phone: 250.480.0642
>> > fax: 250.480.1264
>> > cell: 250.920.8830
>> > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > web: www.electricedgesystems.com



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Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Charlie Griefer]

I'd not heard of it before this thread.

I fit category 1 (and half of category 2) :)

On 6/28/05, Roger B. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Wowmyspace.com must be huge.hm...no waitI've never heard of
> > it?? ;-)
> 
> Bryan: Failure to know about myspace.com indicates one or more of the 
> following:
> 
> (1) You're an old fart. Sadly, this means "over thirty".
> (2) You're young and married.
> (3) You live in a cave.
> 
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RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Damien McKenna]

> The part that caught my eye was that in their testing, 
> MySpace saw a 50% performance improvement over ColdFusion
> 5.0 as well as better stability and performance than even CFMX.

Did they also try CFMX7?  Its apparently faster & more stable than CFMX
6.x.

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Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Bryan Stevenson]

>i just heard of it the other day... so it is possible for some not to
> have heard of it...

Amen Clint!! ;-)

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Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Ken Ferguson]

(4.)  You've got better things to do with your time than surf around a 
portal.

Roger B. wrote:

>>Wowmyspace.com must be huge.hm...no waitI've never heard of
>>it?? ;-)
>>
>>
>
>Bryan: Failure to know about myspace.com indicates one or more of the 
>following:
>
>(1) You're an old fart. Sadly, this means "over thirty".
>(2) You're young and married.
>(3) You live in a cave.
>
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Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Bryan Stevenson]

> hehe. I truly hope you're joking Bryan.
>
> Rey...

Not at allwhat is it...never heard of it?

Most likely it's something pushed in the media in the USso us Canucks 
don't see it unless we go hunting for it.

To be honest I rarely visit any of the top 5 that were listed.  eBay is the 
only one I actively use.and that's only because it's pretty much 
impossible to find freestyle standup jetski parts where I live!!

Enlighten me Ray ;-)

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Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Roger B.]

Congrats to New Atlanta. I don't use BD, nor do I forsee using it in
the future, but it never hurts to have healthy options...

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Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Clint Tredway]

i just heard of it the other day... so it is possible for some not to
have heard of it...

On 6/28/05, Rey Bango <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hehe. I truly hope you're joking Bryan.
> 
> Rey...
> 
> Bryan Stevenson wrote:
> > Wowmyspace.com must be huge.hm...no waitI've never heard of
> > it?? ;-)
> >
> > Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
> > VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
> > Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
> > phone: 250.480.0642
> > fax: 250.480.1264
> > cell: 250.920.8830
> > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > web: www.electricedgesystems.com
> >
> >
> >
> 
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Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Roger B.]

> Wowmyspace.com must be huge.hm...no waitI've never heard of
> it?? ;-)

Bryan: Failure to know about myspace.com indicates one or more of the following:

(1) You're an old fart. Sadly, this means "over thirty".
(2) You're young and married.
(3) You live in a cave.

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Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Rey Bango]

hehe. I truly hope you're joking Bryan.

Rey...

Bryan Stevenson wrote:
> Wowmyspace.com must be huge.hm...no waitI've never heard of 
> it?? ;-)
> 
> Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
> VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
> Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
> phone: 250.480.0642
> fax: 250.480.1264
> cell: 250.920.8830
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> web: www.electricedgesystems.com 
> 
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RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Vince Bonfanti]

According to comScore Media Metrix (see the link Rey offers below), the top
five in May 2005 are:

1. Yahoo
2. MSN
3. AOL
4. eBay
5. MySpace

The comScore Media Metrix report is used to set advertising rates, sort of
the "Nielsen ratings of the web."

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> -Original Message-
> From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 11:23 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon
> 
> http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050616/165173.html?.v=1
> 
> rey...
> 
> Clint Tredway wrote:
> > according to Alexa the top five are
> > 
> > 1. Yahoo
> > 2. MSN
> > 3. Google
> > 4. Passport.net
> > 5. Ebay
> > 
> > 
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Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Bryan Stevenson]

Wowmyspace.com must be huge.hm...no waitI've never heard of 
it?? ;-)

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Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Charlie Griefer]

On 6/28/05, Rey Bango <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050616/165173.html?.v=1
> 
> Rey...

with all due respect Rey, that's a press release from Myspace.com.  
I don't put too much faith in press releases :)

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Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Charlie Griefer]

i'm having a clairvoyant moment where this thread rapidly degrades
into yet another "fusebox is wonderful" vs "fusebox bites the wax
tadpole" debates that rages OT for days and in the end, accomplishes
nothing.  Throw in a few pleas from bored HoF members to please move
the topic to community for good measure.

how about just bypassing that whole ugly scene and just concentrating
on the whole 'heavily trafficked site' running on CFML (regardless of
implementation).

'tis a pretty cool thing :)

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Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Rey Bango]

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050616/165173.html?.v=1

Rey...

Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote:
> Hmmm, I find that hard to believe, not BBC, and Google over Yahoo and MSN?
> I would expect Passport to be up therebut I suppose like most of these
> things 98.9324242424242989898 % of them are made up on the spot...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon
> 
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> 
> 1. Yahoo
> 2. MSN
> 3. Google
> 4. Passport.net
> 5. Ebay
> 
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Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Rey Bango]

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050616/165173.html?.v=1

rey...

Clint Tredway wrote:
> according to Alexa the top five are
> 
> 1. Yahoo
> 2. MSN
> 3. Google
> 4. Passport.net
> 5. Ebay
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Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Claude Schneegans]

 >>not only is it a high-traffic CFML site, but also it's a Fusebox site.

If they count all the includes implied a Fusebox site, no wonder it is a 
high-traffic site ;-))

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Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

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 >>I thought maybe you were not a fan of Fusebox

And what does not being a fan of Fusebox have to do with anything? ;-))


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RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)]

Hmmm, I find that hard to believe, not BBC, and Google over Yahoo and MSN?
I would expect Passport to be up therebut I suppose like most of these
things 98.9324242424242989898 % of them are made up on the spot...








-Original Message-
From: Clint Tredway [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 28 June 2005 16:17
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

according to Alexa the top five are

1. Yahoo
2. MSN
3. Google
4. Passport.net
5. Ebay



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Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Clint Tredway]

according to Alexa the top five are

1. Yahoo
2. MSN
3. Google
4. Passport.net
5. Ebay

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RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Vince Bonfanti]

Anyone can write a lab benchmark to get any result they want. That's why you
should never trust lab benchmarks, especially from vendors (even New
Atlanta, which is why we never publish any). The MySpace testing was all
done on real-world code in their real-world production environment.

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> -Original Message-
> From: Kerry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 11:08 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon
> 
> > Did they switch from 5 to BD or from MX to BD?
> I would assume that they setup test servers for both MX and BD
> 
> >Also, stability can often be based on the quality of the 
> coding itself
> I agree, performance too.
> 
> I *assume* that for a benchmark test they would have written 
> some decent code and then used that, as well as testing their 
> existing site...
> 
> I have heard reports from a guy that writes very tight code 
> that his system runs slower on bd.net than CFMX reliable 
> performance stats are very hard to nail down...
>



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RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Vince Bonfanti]

All of their tests were done using the exact same CFML code in their
production environment. These were "real world" tests--as real as it
gets--these were not lab benchmarks. (Nobody has a lab that can generate the
kind of traffic they get in production).

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> -Original Message-
> From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 11:05 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon
> 
> I don't think it's flaweddepending upon interpretation.
> 
> They said that BD ran significantly faster than CF 5.
> 
> They also said that it showed better stability and 
> performance than CFMX.
> 
> That last part is what's subject to interpretation.
> 
> My interpretation is that they evaluated CFMX (and BD) before 
> deciding upon BD based upon the fact that it "showed better 
> stability and performance".
> 
> I'm further inferring that the code used to test/compare was 
> similar...otherwise you're right, and it's not necessarily a 
> fair/valid comparison.
> 
> Maybe Vince or somebody from NA (if they're at liberty to do 
> so) can further elaborate on how MySpace.com came to the 
> conclusions that BD was the better/more stable product.
> 
> On 6/28/05, Burns, John D <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I don't understand that one either.  Did they switch from 5 
> to BD or 
> > from MX to BD?  Also, stability can often be based on the 
> quality of 
> > the coding itself. I'm not saying that BD doesn't offer a better 
> > product than MM or that myspace isn't loving it, I'm just 
> saying that 
> > the way it was presented seems flawed.
> > 
> > 
> > John Burns
> > Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle 
> Laboratories, Inc. | 
> > Web Developer
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kerry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 10:35 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon
> > 
> > >Comparing Blue Dragon to CF 5 is kind of an unfair comparison
> > 
> > "as well as better stability and performance than even CFMX"
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 28 June 2005 15:16
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon
> > 
> > 
> > My only concern with this statement is that CFMX 6.1 or 7 would 
> > probably show similar increases over CF 5. Comparing Blue 
> Dragon to CF 
> > 5 is kind of an unfair comparison.  Congrats to New Atlanta, and I 
> > hope this will boost some of their efforts and allow them 
> to grow even 
> > more, but I just wanted to point out that the comparison 
> seemed flawed to me.
> > 
> > 
> > John Burns
> > Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle 
> Laboratories, Inc. | 
> > Web Developer
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 6/28/05, Rey Bango <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > In a huge coup, my boys at New Atlanta have won a MAJOR 
> deal and are 
> > > helping MySpace.com, the fifth most heavily trafficked 
> web site on 
> > > the
> > 
> > > Internet,make the switch from Macromedia ColdFusion 5.0 to New 
> > > Atlanta's BlueDragon for .NET. MySpace is easily the largest 
> > > CFML-based site on the Internet; to put things into perspective, 
> > > MySpace has surpassed both Google and Hotmail in terms of 
> total page 
> > > views and currently handles more than 18 million members. Who says
> > CFML isn't viable! Woohoo!
> > >
> > > The part that caught my eye was that in their testing, 
> MySpace saw a 
> > > 50% performance improvement over ColdFusion 5.0 as well as better 
> > > stability and performance than even CFMX.
> > >
> > > This is a massive win for New Atlanta and further 
> vindication that 
> > > their BlueDragon product-line is a "more-than-viable" (dare I say
> > > better) alternative to Macromedia's ColdFusion server.
> > >
> > > Full details of the deal can be found on Vince Bonfanti's blog
> > >
> > > http://blog.newatlanta.com
> > >
> > > Congratulations New Atlanta!
> > >
> > 



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RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Kerry]

> Did they switch from 5 to BD or from MX to BD?
I would assume that they setup test servers for both MX and BD

>Also, stability can often be based on the quality of the coding itself
I agree, performance too.

I *assume* that for a benchmark test they would have written some decent
code and then used that, as well as testing their existing site...

I have heard reports from a guy that writes very tight code that his system
runs slower on bd.net than CFMX reliable performance stats are very hard
to nail down...


-Original Message-
From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 28 June 2005 15:39
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon


I don't understand that one either.  Did they switch from 5 to BD or
from MX to BD?  Also, stability can often be based on the quality of the
coding itself. I'm not saying that BD doesn't offer a better product
than MM or that myspace isn't loving it, I'm just saying that the way it
was presented seems flawed.


John Burns
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer


-Original Message-
From: Kerry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 10:35 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

>Comparing Blue Dragon to CF 5 is kind of an unfair comparison

"as well as better stability and performance than even CFMX"


-Original Message-
From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 28 June 2005 15:16
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon


My only concern with this statement is that CFMX 6.1 or 7 would probably
show similar increases over CF 5. Comparing Blue Dragon to CF 5 is kind
of an unfair comparison.  Congrats to New Atlanta, and I hope this will
boost some of their efforts and allow them to grow even more, but I just
wanted to point out that the comparison seemed flawed to me.


John Burns
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web
Developer



On 6/28/05, Rey Bango <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In a huge coup, my boys at New Atlanta have won a MAJOR deal and are
> helping MySpace.com, the fifth most heavily trafficked web site on the

> Internet,make the switch from Macromedia ColdFusion 5.0 to New
> Atlanta's BlueDragon for .NET. MySpace is easily the largest
> CFML-based site on the Internet; to put things into perspective,
> MySpace has surpassed both Google and Hotmail in terms of total page
> views and currently handles more than 18 million members. Who says
CFML isn't viable! Woohoo!
>
> The part that caught my eye was that in their testing, MySpace saw a
> 50% performance improvement over ColdFusion 5.0 as well as better
> stability and performance than even CFMX.
>
> This is a massive win for New Atlanta and further vindication that
> their BlueDragon product-line is a "more-than-viable" (dare I say
> better) alternative to Macromedia's ColdFusion server.
>
> Full details of the deal can be found on Vince Bonfanti's blog
>
> http://blog.newatlanta.com
>
> Congratulations New Atlanta!
>

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RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Vince Bonfanti]

MySpace did evaluate CFMX, before BlueDragon even, and found that CFMX
performance and stability didn't match BlueDragon.NET. If you're at
CFUNITED, come to the New Atlanta/MySpace keynote address this Friday
afternoon. Peter Amiri, Director of Technical Operations for MySpace, will
talk in more detail about their decision to go with BlueDragon.

BTW, there are many other companies who have been evaluating and deploying
BlueDragon.NET over the past few months. All consistently tell us that the
performance and reliability are better than CFMX in real-world applications.
In fact, the very first customer to deploy on BlueDragon.NET switched from
CFMX.

Vince Bonfanti
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New Atlanta Communications, LLC
http://www.newatlanta.com
 

> -Original Message-
> From: Kerry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 10:35 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon
> 
> >Comparing Blue Dragon to CF 5 is kind of an unfair comparison
> 
> "as well as better stability and performance than even CFMX"
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 28 June 2005 15:16
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon
> 
> 
> My only concern with this statement is that CFMX 6.1 or 7 
> would probably show similar increases over CF 5. Comparing 
> Blue Dragon to CF 5 is kind of an unfair comparison.  
> Congrats to New Atlanta, and I hope this will boost some of 
> their efforts and allow them to grow even more, but I just 
> wanted to point out that the comparison seemed flawed to me.
> 
> 
> John Burns
> Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, 
> Inc. | Web Developer
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/28/05, Rey Bango <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > In a huge coup, my boys at New Atlanta have won a MAJOR 
> deal and are 
> > helping MySpace.com, the fifth most heavily trafficked web 
> site on the
> 
> > Internet,make the switch from Macromedia ColdFusion 5.0 to New 
> > Atlanta's BlueDragon for .NET. MySpace is easily the largest 
> > CFML-based site on the Internet; to put things into perspective, 
> > MySpace has surpassed both Google and Hotmail in terms of 
> total page 
> > views and currently handles more than 18 million members. Who says
> CFML isn't viable! Woohoo!
> >
> > The part that caught my eye was that in their testing, 
> MySpace saw a 
> > 50% performance improvement over ColdFusion 5.0 as well as better 
> > stability and performance than even CFMX.
> >
> > This is a massive win for New Atlanta and further vindication that 
> > their BlueDragon product-line is a "more-than-viable" (dare I say
> > better) alternative to Macromedia's ColdFusion server.
> >
> > Full details of the deal can be found on Vince Bonfanti's blog
> >
> > http://blog.newatlanta.com
> >
> > Congratulations New Atlanta!
> >
> 



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Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Charlie Griefer]

I don't think it's flaweddepending upon interpretation.

They said that BD ran significantly faster than CF 5.

They also said that it showed better stability and performance than CFMX.

That last part is what's subject to interpretation.

My interpretation is that they evaluated CFMX (and BD) before deciding
upon BD based upon the fact that it "showed better stability and
performance".

I'm further inferring that the code used to test/compare was
similar...otherwise you're right, and it's not necessarily a
fair/valid comparison.

Maybe Vince or somebody from NA (if they're at liberty to do so) can
further elaborate on how MySpace.com came to the conclusions that BD
was the better/more stable product.

On 6/28/05, Burns, John D <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't understand that one either.  Did they switch from 5 to BD or
> from MX to BD?  Also, stability can often be based on the quality of the
> coding itself. I'm not saying that BD doesn't offer a better product
> than MM or that myspace isn't loving it, I'm just saying that the way it
> was presented seems flawed.
> 
> 
> John Burns
> Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
> Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer
> 
> 
> -Original Message-----
> From: Kerry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 10:35 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon
> 
> >Comparing Blue Dragon to CF 5 is kind of an unfair comparison
> 
> "as well as better stability and performance than even CFMX"
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-
> From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 28 June 2005 15:16
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon
> 
> 
> My only concern with this statement is that CFMX 6.1 or 7 would probably
> show similar increases over CF 5. Comparing Blue Dragon to CF 5 is kind
> of an unfair comparison.  Congrats to New Atlanta, and I hope this will
> boost some of their efforts and allow them to grow even more, but I just
> wanted to point out that the comparison seemed flawed to me.
> 
> 
> John Burns
> Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web
> Developer
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/28/05, Rey Bango <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > In a huge coup, my boys at New Atlanta have won a MAJOR deal and are
> > helping MySpace.com, the fifth most heavily trafficked web site on the
> 
> > Internet,make the switch from Macromedia ColdFusion 5.0 to New
> > Atlanta's BlueDragon for .NET. MySpace is easily the largest
> > CFML-based site on the Internet; to put things into perspective,
> > MySpace has surpassed both Google and Hotmail in terms of total page
> > views and currently handles more than 18 million members. Who says
> CFML isn't viable! Woohoo!
> >
> > The part that caught my eye was that in their testing, MySpace saw a
> > 50% performance improvement over ColdFusion 5.0 as well as better
> > stability and performance than even CFMX.
> >
> > This is a massive win for New Atlanta and further vindication that
> > their BlueDragon product-line is a "more-than-viable" (dare I say
> > better) alternative to Macromedia's ColdFusion server.
> >
> > Full details of the deal can be found on Vince Bonfanti's blog
> >
> > http://blog.newatlanta.com
> >
> > Congratulations New Atlanta!
> >
> 
> --
> Barney Boisvert
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 360.319.6145
> http://www.barneyb.com/
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)]

_bump


And the top 5 are?



-Original Message-
From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 28 June 2005 15:39
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

I don't understand that one either.  Did they switch from 5 to BD or
from MX to BD?  Also, stability can often be based on the quality of the
coding itself. I'm not saying that BD doesn't offer a better product
than MM or that myspace isn't loving it, I'm just saying that the way it
was presented seems flawed.


John Burns
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer
 

-Original Message-
From: Kerry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 10:35 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

>Comparing Blue Dragon to CF 5 is kind of an unfair comparison

"as well as better stability and performance than even CFMX"


-Original Message-
From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 28 June 2005 15:16
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon


My only concern with this statement is that CFMX 6.1 or 7 would probably
show similar increases over CF 5. Comparing Blue Dragon to CF 5 is kind
of an unfair comparison.  Congrats to New Atlanta, and I hope this will
boost some of their efforts and allow them to grow even more, but I just
wanted to point out that the comparison seemed flawed to me.


John Burns
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web
Developer



On 6/28/05, Rey Bango <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In a huge coup, my boys at New Atlanta have won a MAJOR deal and are 
> helping MySpace.com, the fifth most heavily trafficked web site on the

> Internet,make the switch from Macromedia ColdFusion 5.0 to New 
> Atlanta's BlueDragon for .NET. MySpace is easily the largest 
> CFML-based site on the Internet; to put things into perspective, 
> MySpace has surpassed both Google and Hotmail in terms of total page 
> views and currently handles more than 18 million members. Who says
CFML isn't viable! Woohoo!
>
> The part that caught my eye was that in their testing, MySpace saw a 
> 50% performance improvement over ColdFusion 5.0 as well as better 
> stability and performance than even CFMX.
>
> This is a massive win for New Atlanta and further vindication that 
> their BlueDragon product-line is a "more-than-viable" (dare I say
> better) alternative to Macromedia's ColdFusion server.
>
> Full details of the deal can be found on Vince Bonfanti's blog
>
> http://blog.newatlanta.com
>
> Congratulations New Atlanta!
>

--

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Burns, John D]

I don't understand that one either.  Did they switch from 5 to BD or
from MX to BD?  Also, stability can often be based on the quality of the
coding itself. I'm not saying that BD doesn't offer a better product
than MM or that myspace isn't loving it, I'm just saying that the way it
was presented seems flawed.


John Burns
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer
 

-Original Message-
From: Kerry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 10:35 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

>Comparing Blue Dragon to CF 5 is kind of an unfair comparison

"as well as better stability and performance than even CFMX"


-Original Message-
From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 28 June 2005 15:16
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon


My only concern with this statement is that CFMX 6.1 or 7 would probably
show similar increases over CF 5. Comparing Blue Dragon to CF 5 is kind
of an unfair comparison.  Congrats to New Atlanta, and I hope this will
boost some of their efforts and allow them to grow even more, but I just
wanted to point out that the comparison seemed flawed to me.


John Burns
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web
Developer



On 6/28/05, Rey Bango <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In a huge coup, my boys at New Atlanta have won a MAJOR deal and are 
> helping MySpace.com, the fifth most heavily trafficked web site on the

> Internet,make the switch from Macromedia ColdFusion 5.0 to New 
> Atlanta's BlueDragon for .NET. MySpace is easily the largest 
> CFML-based site on the Internet; to put things into perspective, 
> MySpace has surpassed both Google and Hotmail in terms of total page 
> views and currently handles more than 18 million members. Who says
CFML isn't viable! Woohoo!
>
> The part that caught my eye was that in their testing, MySpace saw a 
> 50% performance improvement over ColdFusion 5.0 as well as better 
> stability and performance than even CFMX.
>
> This is a massive win for New Atlanta and further vindication that 
> their BlueDragon product-line is a "more-than-viable" (dare I say
> better) alternative to Macromedia's ColdFusion server.
>
> Full details of the deal can be found on Vince Bonfanti's blog
>
> http://blog.newatlanta.com
>
> Congratulations New Atlanta!
>

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RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Michael T. Tangorre]

> From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> I just like the fact that it's fuseboxed (I'm a fuseboxer). 
> Just pointing out that not only is it a high-traffic CFML 
> site, but also it's a Fusebox site. That OK?

No prob... of course its OK... I thought maybe you were not a fan of Fusebox
and dissing it :-)




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Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Jim Campbell]

Ah, gotcha.  By mentioning the error message, I thought you were using 
the term "fuseboxed" as a euphemism for "it's broken", which is actually 
kind of funny.

- Jim

Greg Luce wrote:

>I just like the fact that it's fuseboxed (I'm a fuseboxer). Just pointing 
>out that not only is it a high-traffic CFML site, but also it's a Fusebox 
>site. That OK?
>
> On 6/28/05, Michael T. Tangorre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
>  
>
>>>From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>And it's fuseboxed!
>>>I clicked a link on the homepage and got:
>>>*Sorry! an unexpected error has occurred.
>>>  
>>>
>>What does it being in Fusebox have to do with anything?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

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Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Greg Luce]

I just like the fact that it's fuseboxed (I'm a fuseboxer). Just pointing 
out that not only is it a high-traffic CFML site, but also it's a Fusebox 
site. That OK?

 On 6/28/05, Michael T. Tangorre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> > From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > And it's fuseboxed!
> > I clicked a link on the homepage and got:
> > *Sorry! an unexpected error has occurred.
> 
> What does it being in Fusebox have to do with anything?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Kerry]

>Comparing Blue Dragon to CF 5 is kind of an unfair comparison

"as well as better stability and performance than even CFMX"


-Original Message-
From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 28 June 2005 15:16
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon


My only concern with this statement is that CFMX 6.1 or 7 would probably
show similar increases over CF 5. Comparing Blue Dragon to CF 5 is kind
of an unfair comparison.  Congrats to New Atlanta, and I hope this will
boost some of their efforts and allow them to grow even more, but I just
wanted to point out that the comparison seemed flawed to me.


John Burns
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer



On 6/28/05, Rey Bango <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In a huge coup, my boys at New Atlanta have won a MAJOR deal and are
> helping MySpace.com, the fifth most heavily trafficked web site on the

> Internet,make the switch from Macromedia ColdFusion 5.0 to New
> Atlanta's BlueDragon for .NET. MySpace is easily the largest
> CFML-based site on the Internet; to put things into perspective,
> MySpace has surpassed both Google and Hotmail in terms of total page
> views and currently handles more than 18 million members. Who says
CFML isn't viable! Woohoo!
>
> The part that caught my eye was that in their testing, MySpace saw a
> 50% performance improvement over ColdFusion 5.0 as well as better
> stability and performance than even CFMX.
>
> This is a massive win for New Atlanta and further vindication that
> their BlueDragon product-line is a "more-than-viable" (dare I say
> better) alternative to Macromedia's ColdFusion server.
>
> Full details of the deal can be found on Vince Bonfanti's blog
>
> http://blog.newatlanta.com
>
> Congratulations New Atlanta!
>

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RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Burns, John D]

My only concern with this statement is that CFMX 6.1 or 7 would probably
show similar increases over CF 5. Comparing Blue Dragon to CF 5 is kind
of an unfair comparison.  Congrats to New Atlanta, and I hope this will
boost some of their efforts and allow them to grow even more, but I just
wanted to point out that the comparison seemed flawed to me.


John Burns
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer
 


On 6/28/05, Rey Bango <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In a huge coup, my boys at New Atlanta have won a MAJOR deal and are 
> helping MySpace.com, the fifth most heavily trafficked web site on the

> Internet,make the switch from Macromedia ColdFusion 5.0 to New 
> Atlanta's BlueDragon for .NET. MySpace is easily the largest 
> CFML-based site on the Internet; to put things into perspective, 
> MySpace has surpassed both Google and Hotmail in terms of total page 
> views and currently handles more than 18 million members. Who says
CFML isn't viable! Woohoo!
> 
> The part that caught my eye was that in their testing, MySpace saw a 
> 50% performance improvement over ColdFusion 5.0 as well as better 
> stability and performance than even CFMX.
> 
> This is a massive win for New Atlanta and further vindication that 
> their BlueDragon product-line is a "more-than-viable" (dare I say 
> better) alternative to Macromedia's ColdFusion server.
> 
> Full details of the deal can be found on Vince Bonfanti's blog
> 
> http://blog.newatlanta.com
> 
> Congratulations New Atlanta!
> 

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RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Michael T. Tangorre]

> From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> And it's fuseboxed! 
>  I clicked a link on the homepage and got:
> *Sorry! an unexpected error has occurred. 

What does it being in Fusebox have to do with anything?




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Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Greg Luce]

And it's fuseboxed! 
 I clicked a link on the homepage and got:
*Sorry! an unexpected error has occurred. 

This error has been forwarded to MySpace's technical group.* 

I'm optimistic though.
 Greg
 On 6/28/05, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote: 
> 
> Who are the top 5? I would be interested to see what this list contains.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 28 June 2005 14:35
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon
> 
> In a huge coup, my boys at New Atlanta have won a MAJOR deal and are
> helping MySpace.com , the fifth most heavily 
> trafficked web site on the
> Internet,make the switch from Macromedia ColdFusion 5.0 to New Atlanta's
> BlueDragon for .NET. MySpace is easily the largest CFML-based site on
> the Internet; to put things into perspective, MySpace has surpassed both
> Google and Hotmail in terms of total page views 2and currently handles
> more than 18 million members. Who says CFML isn't viable! Woohoo!
> 
> The part that caught my eye was that in their testing, MySpace saw a 50%
> performance improvement over ColdFusion 5.0 as well as better stability
> and performance than even CFMX.
> 
> This is a massive win for New Atlanta and further vindication that their
> BlueDragon product-line is a "more-than-viable" (dare I say better)
> alternative to Macromedia's ColdFusion server.
> 
> Full details of the deal can be found on Vince Bonfanti's blog
> 
> http://blog.newatlanta.com
> 
> Congratulations New Atlanta!
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Barney Boisvert]

While I don't doubt that BD may be faster than CFMX, I simply cannot
see BD as a better product.  I've found it to have a significantly
higher number of bugs than CFMX, and while many of these bugs wouldn't
affect many developers, they're still bugs, which indicates some kind
of problems in the development process (lack of comprehensive
regression testing, for example).  I should also clarifiy by saying
that I've only ever run the standalone (Java-based) server, not the
..NET server, but from my understanding, the two are VERY similar.

So as long as you can dodge the bugs, BD is definitely a candidate. 
But I suspect the time spent dodging bugs would more then pay for a
couple extra servers, particularly with developing a large project,
let alone the maintenance phase.

Note that I don't want to be little NA in any way.  They're doing a
fantastic job competing in a market that is utterly stacked against
them.  And while they do a lot of things I could wish MM to do (be
massively receptive to use feedback, provide a free edition, etc.),
their core product is somewhat inferior in some ways.

cheers,
barneyb

On 6/28/05, Rey Bango <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In a huge coup, my boys at New Atlanta have won a MAJOR deal and are
> helping MySpace.com, the fifth most heavily trafficked web site on the
> Internet,make the switch from Macromedia ColdFusion 5.0 to New Atlanta's
> BlueDragon for .NET. MySpace is easily the largest CFML-based site on
> the Internet; to put things into perspective, MySpace has surpassed both
> Google and Hotmail in terms of total page views and currently handles
> more than 18 million members. Who says CFML isn't viable! Woohoo!
> 
> The part that caught my eye was that in their testing, MySpace saw a 50%
> performance improvement over ColdFusion 5.0 as well as better stability
> and performance than even CFMX.
> 
> This is a massive win for New Atlanta and further vindication that their
> BlueDragon product-line is a "more-than-viable" (dare I say better)
> alternative to Macromedia's ColdFusion server.
> 
> Full details of the deal can be found on Vince Bonfanti's blog
> 
> http://blog.newatlanta.com
> 
> Congratulations New Atlanta!
> 

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RE: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

[Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)]

Who are the top 5? I would be interested to see what this list contains.


-Original Message-
From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 28 June 2005 14:35
To: CF-Talk
Subject: 5th Most Trafficked Site Switches to BlueDragon

In a huge coup, my boys at New Atlanta have won a MAJOR deal and are 
helping MySpace.com, the fifth most heavily trafficked web site on the 
Internet,make the switch from Macromedia ColdFusion 5.0 to New Atlanta's 
BlueDragon for .NET. MySpace is easily the largest CFML-based site on 
the Internet; to put things into perspective, MySpace has surpassed both 
Google and Hotmail in terms of total page views 2and currently handles 
more than 18 million members. Who says CFML isn't viable! Woohoo!

The part that caught my eye was that in their testing, MySpace saw a 50% 
performance improvement over ColdFusion 5.0 as well as better stability 
and performance than even CFMX.

This is a massive win for New Atlanta and further vindication that their 
BlueDragon product-line is a "more-than-viable" (dare I say better) 
alternative to Macromedia's ColdFusion server.

Full details of the deal can be found on Vince Bonfanti's blog

http://blog.newatlanta.com

Congratulations New Atlanta!

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