Re: Buying Studio MX

[Josh]

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Mickael wrote:

>Hi All,
>
>Is there anyone on this list can point me to a place where I can buy a Boxed version 
>of Studio MX with Flash Pro cheaper than I can from the Macromedia site?  I am in 
>Toronto Canada
>
>Sorry for being OT
>
>Mike
>
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Buying Studio MX

[Mickael]

Hi All,

Is there anyone on this list can point me to a place where I can buy a Boxed version 
of Studio MX with Flash Pro cheaper than I can from the Macromedia site?  I am in 
Toronto Canada

Sorry for being OT

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RE: Question about Studio MX and versions

[Dave Watts]

> Can any tell me what the latest version numbers of Studio MX 
> , Dreamweaver MX and Flash MX are.
>  
> I need to put into to get a upgrade to our installed Studio 
> MX and our software ordering dept, is asking me for specific 
> version numbers.

They are all version 7. However, you should be able to simply refer to
Studio MX 2004.

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RE: Question about Studio MX and versions

[Barney Boisvert]

MX is 6.x, MX2004 is 7.x.  The x is 0 or 1, depending on the updaters you've
applied.

Cheers,
barneyb 

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> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 1:35 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Question about Studio MX and versions
> 
> Hi,
>  
> Can any tell me what the latest version numbers of Studio MX 
> , Dreamweaver MX
> and Flash MX are.
>  
> I need to put into to get a upgrade to our installed Studio MX and our
> software ordering dept, is asking me for specific version numbers.
>  
> Thanks
> Mario
> 
> 
> 
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Question about Studio MX and versions

[Ciliotta, Mario]

Hi,

 
Can any tell me what the latest version numbers of Studio MX , Dreamweaver MX
and Flash MX are.

 
I need to put into to get a upgrade to our installed Studio MX and our
software ordering dept, is asking me for specific version numbers.

 
Thanks
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Re: Macromedia Dreamweaver MX & Studio MX 2004 Updates Now Available

[Massimo, Tiziana e Federica]

The DW updater is really worth, the team fixed literally many hundreds of
bugs.

I felt DW 2004 was pushed out of the door too early, but the update send a
strong message to the userbase about how much the DW's team is committed to
deliver a quality product

Of course, if you don't like DW before, you aren't going to change idea but,
if you already use DW, the update will make the experience more pleasant
:-)))


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Macromedia Dreamweaver MX & Studio MX 2004 Updates Now Available

[Damon Cooper]

Hot off the press: the Updater for Dreamweaver MX 2004 is now available. 

With the release of the Dreamweaver Updater, all Macromedia Studio MX 2004
products have been optimized for better quality and performance.  

New Studio MX 2004 purchases will include all of the updated products.
Existing users can download the free individual product updaters online at: 

http://www.macromedia.com/go/studioupdates  

Regards, 

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Dir Engineering, ColdFusion & JRun
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RE: Studio MX 2004 with Flash Professional

[Michael Wolfe]

eCost ( www.ecost.com   ) is usually much cheaper
than MM.

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From: Burns, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 12:19 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Studio MX 2004 with Flash Professional

Does anyone know where to get Studio MX 2004 w/ Flash Professional for
less than on Macromedia's site?  I'm looking to purchase it and was
curious if anyone had any leads on a cheaper source.  Thanks!

John Burns

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RE: Studio MX 2004 with Flash Professional

[Christian Martin]

You might want to do a search at any of the comparison shopping sites.
Shopping.com and CNet come to mind.

Christian



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Does anyone know where to get Studio MX 2004 w/ Flash Professional for
less than on Macromedia's site?  I'm looking to purchase it and was
curious if anyone had any leads on a cheaper source.  Thanks!

John Burns

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RE: Studio MX 2004 with Flash Professional

[Dan Phillips]

Try Ebay. I'm not sure if it's cheaper but I have found boxed copies of
MS software on there for a lot cheaper than in the stores. 

 
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Subject: Studio MX 2004 with Flash Professional

Does anyone know where to get Studio MX 2004 w/ Flash Professional for
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Studio MX 2004 with Flash Professional

[Burns, John]

Does anyone know where to get Studio MX 2004 w/ Flash Professional for
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curious if anyone had any leads on a cheaper source.  Thanks!

 
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RE: Studio MX 2004 licensing and upgrade protection

[Samuel Neff]

You should contact MM sales directly, not 3rd party suppliers like CDW.

AFAIK there is no official upgrade path right now for subscriptions, but
I've seen it mentioned a lot and many subscribers were concerned about it
and I think MM is working on this.

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From: Candace Cottrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: OT: Studio MX 2004 licensing and upgrade protection

So, I am wondering if I am the only one in this boat...

We bought 2 years of upgrade protection on Studio MX.

Flash MX 2004 Pro comes out and it's not included in upgrade
protection.

Ok, I can understand that. We need to buy upgrades to Pro.

BUT... according to CDW, we LOSE the 2 yrs worth of subscription and
have to RE-BUY the entire thing and pay the full price.

Is there no "upgrade" to upgrade protection??

Am I on the right track here? Can anyone help me???

Candace K. Cottrell, Web Developer

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OT: Studio MX 2004 licensing and upgrade protection

[Candace Cottrell]

So, I am wondering if I am the only one in this boat...

 
We bought 2 years of upgrade protection on Studio MX. 

 
Flash MX 2004 Pro comes out and it's not included in upgrade
protection.

 
Ok, I can understand that. We need to buy upgrades to Pro.

 
BUT... according to CDW, we LOSE the 2 yrs worth of subscription and
have to RE-BUY the entire thing and pay the full price.

 
Is there no "upgrade" to upgrade protection??

 
Am I on the right track here? Can anyone help me???

 
Candace K. Cottrell, Web Developer 
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One Children's Plaza 
Dayton, OH 45404 
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RE: Upgrade of purchase of Studio MX

[Debbie Dickerson]

If you bought Macromedia Studio MX between July 26, 2003 and 60 days after the first 
ship date of Macromedia Studio MX 2004, you should be eligible for a free upgrade to 
Macromedia Studio MX 2004.
http://www.macromedia.com/software/studio/productinfo/faq/#item-16
http://www.macromedia.com/support/service/ts/documents/current_offers.htm



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From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:00 PM
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Subject: RE: Upgrade of purchase of Studio MX


Last I heard, there was a 1 month window there for a free? Upgrade.
Granted, this isn't direct from the source, this is from the guy who's
making the software purchases at my company.

HTH,

Russ

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From: DURETTE, STEVEN J (AIT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:31 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Upgrade of purchase of Studio MX


Hi all,
 
Today we purchased Studio MX.  When we purchased it we were told that MX
2004 wasn't available yet.  Is there a window that we would get and
upgrade to 2004?
 
I would be really ticked if we tried to purchase MX2004 told we couldn't
have it yet and then have to turn around and pay for an upgrade.
 
Any info on this type of situation would be appreciated.
 
Steve
 
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RE: Upgrade of purchase of Studio MX

[Russ]

Last I heard, there was a 1 month window there for a free? Upgrade.
Granted, this isn't direct from the source, this is from the guy who's
making the software purchases at my company.

HTH,

Russ

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From: DURETTE, STEVEN J (AIT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:31 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Upgrade of purchase of Studio MX


Hi all,
 
Today we purchased Studio MX.  When we purchased it we were told that MX
2004 wasn't available yet.  Is there a window that we would get and
upgrade to 2004?
 
I would be really ticked if we tried to purchase MX2004 told we couldn't
have it yet and then have to turn around and pay for an upgrade.
 
Any info on this type of situation would be appreciated.
 
Steve
 
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RE: Upgrade of purchase of Studio MX

[DURETTE, STEVEN J (AIT)]

Never mind.  Forget the whole question.
 
When we ordered this morning we were told 2004 wasn't available.  When we
received the electronic confirmation it lists the software as Studio MX
version 2004.
 
Thanks though.
 
Steve
 

-Original Message-
From: DURETTE, STEVEN J (AIT) 
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 4:31 PM
To: CF-Talk (E-mail)
Subject: Upgrade of purchase of Studio MX


Hi all,
 
Today we purchased Studio MX.  When we purchased it we were told that MX
2004 wasn't available yet.  Is there a window that we would get and upgrade
to 2004?
 
I would be really ticked if we tried to purchase MX2004 told we couldn't
have it yet and then have to turn around and pay for an upgrade.
 
Any info on this type of situation would be appreciated.
 
Steve
 
*COST SAVINGS SUGGESTION*
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"grayscale" instead of color.



Steve Durette
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100 S. Main
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Upgrade of purchase of Studio MX

[DURETTE, STEVEN J (AIT)]

Hi all,
 
Today we purchased Studio MX.  When we purchased it we were told that MX
2004 wasn't available yet.  Is there a window that we would get and upgrade
to 2004?
 
I would be really ticked if we tried to purchase MX2004 told we couldn't
have it yet and then have to turn around and pay for an upgrade.
 
Any info on this type of situation would be appreciated.
 
Steve
 
*COST SAVINGS SUGGESTION*
For pages that must be printed, change your print settings to print in
"grayscale" instead of color.



Steve Durette
Mgr-Eng. & Const. Systems Support
100 S. Main
Room 314
Mt. Clemens, MI 48043
Ofc: 586.466.7654
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Re: Studio MX install issues - help on upgrade

[Matt Brown]

I saw someone telling you to try again. If that does not work, maybe 
restart and try to install. If that doesn't work, you can contact me and I 
can try to help out. Sorry you are having an issue.
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RE: Studio MX install issues - help on upgrade

[David Notik]

Hi James:

I remember having a similar issue when upgrading from 4.5 to MX.  I
recall having to enter the serial number a few times before it finally
caught it.  Try entering it all upper-case (both the old and new) and
try simply retyping it.

Sorry I don't know the specific thing I did, but I remember it was kind
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-Original Message-
From: James Mathieson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 12:35 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Studio MX install issues - help on upgrade

Heya, folks,

OK, so wanting to support my favorite software company, I purchased
Studio
MX (I'll admit, I use CF Studio for everything, but I figured I might as
well get the whole bundle and finally sit down and learn how to create
Flash
goodness). According to the upgrade chart, since I have CF Studio 4.5, I
was
eligable for the upgrade. The sticker on the box even lists CF Studio
4.5 or
higher as required.

So I stick Studio MX in to install, pop in the nice shiny new serial
number,
agree to the EULA, get to the page that tells me to enter either the (2)
serial numbers from qualifying products -or- the serial number from the
studio product, enter my serial number from my CF Studio (4.5), _get_ a
green check next to that line (which I assume means it accepts the
serial
number...), and ..

.and, nothing. the [NEXT] button is not live and ready to go. It sits
there, I assume waiting for me to enter another product's serial number.
I've tried putting the CF Studio number on the second line as well, but
no
go.

And there's nothing (that I can find) on MM's website, forums,
reasonable
google-search, or CD that gives any indication what to do if upgrading
from
1 product.

Is there some unholy trick involved? Do I need to know the Secret
Handshake?
Is there some other number I'm supposed to use with it? Or am I just
completely mislead that I can indeed upgrade from my clunky old CF
Studio
4.5, despite what the marketing says?

Cheers,
James
(Really, MM guys, I *do* want to try DWMX! Honestly! Despite what some
reviews here have said)

James Mathieson
Information Systems Manager
The Wildlife Society
5410 Grosvenor Lane
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RE: Studio MX install issues - help on upgrade

[Tony Weeg]

how about the serial for the new MX stuff?

..tony

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-Original Message-
From: James Mathieson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:35 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Studio MX install issues - help on upgrade


Heya, folks,

OK, so wanting to support my favorite software company, I purchased
Studio
MX (I'll admit, I use CF Studio for everything, but I figured I might as
well get the whole bundle and finally sit down and learn how to create
Flash
goodness). According to the upgrade chart, since I have CF Studio 4.5, I
was
eligable for the upgrade. The sticker on the box even lists CF Studio
4.5 or
higher as required.

So I stick Studio MX in to install, pop in the nice shiny new serial
number,
agree to the EULA, get to the page that tells me to enter either the (2)
serial numbers from qualifying products -or- the serial number from the
studio product, enter my serial number from my CF Studio (4.5), _get_ a
green check next to that line (which I assume means it accepts the
serial
number...), and ..

.and, nothing. the [NEXT] button is not live and ready to go. It sits
there, I assume waiting for me to enter another product's serial number.
I've tried putting the CF Studio number on the second line as well, but
no
go.

And there's nothing (that I can find) on MM's website, forums,
reasonable
google-search, or CD that gives any indication what to do if upgrading
from
1 product.

Is there some unholy trick involved? Do I need to know the Secret
Handshake?
Is there some other number I'm supposed to use with it? Or am I just
completely mislead that I can indeed upgrade from my clunky old CF
Studio
4.5, despite what the marketing says?

Cheers,
James
(Really, MM guys, I *do* want to try DWMX! Honestly! Despite what some
reviews here have said)

James Mathieson
Information Systems Manager
The Wildlife Society
5410 Grosvenor Lane
Bethesda, MD  20814-2197
PH: 301-897-9770
Fax:  301-530-2471
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Studio MX install issues - help on upgrade

[James Mathieson]

Heya, folks,

OK, so wanting to support my favorite software company, I purchased Studio
MX (I'll admit, I use CF Studio for everything, but I figured I might as
well get the whole bundle and finally sit down and learn how to create Flash
goodness). According to the upgrade chart, since I have CF Studio 4.5, I was
eligable for the upgrade. The sticker on the box even lists CF Studio 4.5 or
higher as required.

So I stick Studio MX in to install, pop in the nice shiny new serial number,
agree to the EULA, get to the page that tells me to enter either the (2)
serial numbers from qualifying products -or- the serial number from the
studio product, enter my serial number from my CF Studio (4.5), _get_ a
green check next to that line (which I assume means it accepts the serial
number...), and ..

..and, nothing. the [NEXT] button is not live and ready to go. It sits
there, I assume waiting for me to enter another product's serial number.
I've tried putting the CF Studio number on the second line as well, but no
go.

And there's nothing (that I can find) on MM's website, forums, reasonable
google-search, or CD that gives any indication what to do if upgrading from
1 product.

Is there some unholy trick involved? Do I need to know the Secret Handshake?
Is there some other number I'm supposed to use with it? Or am I just
completely mislead that I can indeed upgrade from my clunky old CF Studio
4.5, despite what the marketing says?

Cheers,
James
(Really, MM guys, I *do* want to try DWMX! Honestly! Despite what some
reviews here have said)

James Mathieson
Information Systems Manager
The Wildlife Society
5410 Grosvenor Lane
Bethesda, MD  20814-2197
PH: 301-897-9770
Fax:  301-530-2471
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: Macromedia Studio MX

[Matt Brown]

At 10:23 PM 11/19/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>I love this SOT, here bloody here well done and much deserved.
>
>http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,715068,00.asp I wish that poison snake
>would bow out gracefully!

I have missed out on the beginning of this thread as it seems to have 
changed names, but for anyone worrying, we are actually guardedly 
optimistic with Studio MX. I think we are pretty happy with the product and 
the sales. Not to say we wouldn't like to sell more or make the products 
even better, but things are certainly doing as well or better than we had 
hoped.

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RE: Macromedia Studio MX

[Mike Brunt]

I love this SOT, here bloody here well done and much deserved.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,715068,00.asp I wish that poison snake
would bow out gracefully!

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Subject: SOT: Macromedia Studio MX


MM (Macromedia - not Mere Male) have apparently sold more than 250,000
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popular product yet. Pretty good result really. And if you are considering
upgrading to MX it's available for US$799 until December 31 (US$100 cheaper
than it will be after that).

And if that wasn't good enough MM have since gone on to win the "Best
Development Tool" award at the PC Magazine Awards for Technical Excellence!
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RE: Macromedia Studio MX

[Dave Notik]

You sure you don't work for Macromedia?  :)

Yea, I've been using Studio for a few months, and the entire suite is
very well designed.  DWMX, in particular, kicks ass.

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From: Tilbrook, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 9:42 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: SOT: Macromedia Studio MX

MM (Macromedia - not Mere Male) have apparently sold more than 250,000
copies of Studio MX since its June introduction - making it MM's most
popular product yet. Pretty good result really. And if you are
considering
upgrading to MX it's available for US$799 until December 31 (US$100
cheaper
than it will be after that).

And if that wasn't good enough MM have since gone on to win the "Best
Development Tool" award at the PC Magazine Awards for Technical
Excellence!
Well done MM!

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SOT: Macromedia Studio MX

[Tilbrook, Peter]

MM (Macromedia - not Mere Male) have apparently sold more than 250,000
copies of Studio MX since its June introduction - making it MM's most
popular product yet. Pretty good result really. And if you are considering
upgrading to MX it's available for US$799 until December 31 (US$100 cheaper
than it will be after that).

And if that wasn't good enough MM have since gone on to win the "Best
Development Tool" award at the PC Magazine Awards for Technical Excellence!
Well done MM!

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RE: Studio MX

[Mosh Teitelbaum]

Jeffry Houser wrote:
> >Note: never, ever compare boolean expressions to 0 or 1 (or false /
> >true), especially to 1 (true).  is not always equivalent to
> > - precisely because people can be lazy about mixing
> >numbers with real booleans.
> 
>   I am completely confused by this.
>   What should you compare Boolean Expressions to if not False / 
> True or 0 / 1 ?

I would assume that Sean meant to never do something like:




...


When instead, you can go with:


...


But, that's just my interpretation 8^).

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RE: Studio MX

[Mark A. Kruger - CFG]

I would argue (after working with a great deal of C++ code) that evaluating
zero and non-zero as false and true is just as common as "direct syntax".
Most C++ logic blocks are built on exactly this type of "integer logic".

-mk

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwatts@;figleaf.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 6:10 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Studio MX


> > Pedantry can be dangerous. While Len returns an
> > integer, CF treats non-zero integer values as
> > boolean "true" values when they're used in boolean
> > expressions.
>
> Yes, so does C and C++ but that doesn't make it good
> style, IMO.

No, but it doesn't make it "bad" style, either. One of the things that
differentiates style from utility is that style really doesn't matter. I'm
usually on the other side of the fence in these sorts of arguments, but
this, to me, seems about on the same level as how you should use curly
braces in C-style languages. I guess James Gosling et al agree with you on
this, though.

> > Now, you may argue that your explicit syntax is more
> > readable, but I'd counter that by saying that any
> > competent CF developer should know that integers
> > are treated as boolean values.
>
> As would any C or C++ developer. Again, it doesn't make it
> good style. I prefer  as an explicit test
> although I probably wouldn't take a developer out and shoot
> them for just writing .

It is good to know where you stand on the death penalty!

> I *would* take them out and shoot them for writing  not len(x)> which I think is a horribly ugly and easily
> misread condition!  is *much* clearer.
> I've seen many 'non-programmers' write the equivalent of
> 'not len(x)' when they really mean something like 'len(x)
> ne 0'! My motto is: be explicit.
>
> Note: never, ever compare boolean expressions to 0 or 1
> (or false / true), especially to 1 (true).  is
> not always equivalent to  - precisely
> because people can be lazy about mixing numbers with real
> booleans.

Again, I would agree with you on the general concept that explicit,
self-documenting code is superior to other code. I just don't see this as
making that much of a difference in that direction. Once you learn the
simple fact that CF can evaluate integers as boolean values, it's just not
that complicated to read.

As for what "non-programmers" may write, well, that's a whole other kettle
of fish, isn't it?

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Booleans (was: Studio MX

[Sean A Corfield]

I changed the subject because we're way off track from Studio MX (and 
have been for several posts).

On Sunday, Nov 10, 2002, at 03:30 US/Pacific, Jeffry Houser wrote:
> At 03:41 PM 11/9/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>> Note: never, ever compare boolean expressions to 0 or 1 (or false /
>> true), especially to 1 (true).  is not always equivalent to
>>  - precisely because people can be lazy about 
>> mixing
>> numbers with real booleans.
>   I am completely confused by this.
>   What should you compare Boolean Expressions to if not False / True 
> or 0 /
> 1 ?

You don't compare them to anything. You don't need to. They are 
*already* boolean. You say:



You shouldn't say:



You say:



You shouldn't say:


or


I've seen code that explicitly compares expressions to true fail 
because the boolean expression relies on the implicit integer->boolean 
conversion and returns some arbitrary non-zero for true - whereas the 
constant, true, is effectively 1. So comparing  FAILS 
even tho'  SUCCEEDS.

This is more than a stylistic issue - this is defensive programming.

>   Are you saying that the conditional examples are wrong, or the 
> one-line
> examples are more efficient?

Neither. I'm saying that they are better style because they show an 
understanding of how booleans really work. They are simpler code - and 
simpler code is often more efficient but that's not my primary concern. 
Simpler code is often less error prone too.

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Re: Studio MX

[Jeffry Houser]

At 03:41 PM 11/9/2002 -0800, you wrote:

>Note: never, ever compare boolean expressions to 0 or 1 (or false /
>true), especially to 1 (true).  is not always equivalent to
> - precisely because people can be lazy about mixing
>numbers with real booleans.

  I am completely confused by this.
  What should you compare Boolean Expressions to if not False / True or 0 / 
1 ?


>Note 2: don't write this sort of thing either:
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
>Think about that... you really mean this, don't you:
>
> 
>
>(and then treat 'x' as a boolean)
>
>The following seems a more common version of that:
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
>Why not:
>
> 

  Are you saying that the conditional examples are wrong, or the one-line 
examples are more efficient?


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RE: Studio MX

[Dave Watts]

> > Pedantry can be dangerous. While Len returns an 
> > integer, CF treats non-zero integer values as 
> > boolean "true" values when they're used in boolean
> > expressions.
> 
> Yes, so does C and C++ but that doesn't make it good 
> style, IMO.

No, but it doesn't make it "bad" style, either. One of the things that
differentiates style from utility is that style really doesn't matter. I'm
usually on the other side of the fence in these sorts of arguments, but
this, to me, seems about on the same level as how you should use curly
braces in C-style languages. I guess James Gosling et al agree with you on
this, though.

> > Now, you may argue that your explicit syntax is more 
> > readable, but I'd counter that by saying that any 
> > competent CF developer should know that integers 
> > are treated as boolean values.
> 
> As would any C or C++ developer. Again, it doesn't make it 
> good style. I prefer  as an explicit test 
> although I probably wouldn't take a developer out and shoot 
> them for just writing . 

It is good to know where you stand on the death penalty!

> I *would* take them out and shoot them for writing  not len(x)> which I think is a horribly ugly and easily 
> misread condition!  is *much* clearer. 
> I've seen many 'non-programmers' write the equivalent of 
> 'not len(x)' when they really mean something like 'len(x) 
> ne 0'! My motto is: be explicit.
> 
> Note: never, ever compare boolean expressions to 0 or 1 
> (or false / true), especially to 1 (true).  is 
> not always equivalent to  - precisely 
> because people can be lazy about mixing numbers with real 
> booleans.

Again, I would agree with you on the general concept that explicit,
self-documenting code is superior to other code. I just don't see this as
making that much of a difference in that direction. Once you learn the
simple fact that CF can evaluate integers as boolean values, it's just not
that complicated to read.

As for what "non-programmers" may write, well, that's a whole other kettle
of fish, isn't it?

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Re: Studio MX

[Sean A Corfield]

On Saturday, Nov 9, 2002, at 15:10 US/Pacific, Dave Watts wrote:
> Pedantry can be dangerous. While Len returns an integer, CF treats 
> non-zero
> integer values as boolean "true" values when they're used in boolean
> expressions.

Yes, so does C and C++ but that doesn't make it good style, IMO.

> Now, you may argue that your explicit syntax is more readable, but I'd
> counter that by saying that any competent CF developer should know that
> integers are treated as boolean values.

As would any C or C++ developer. Again, it doesn't make it good style. 
I prefer  as an explicit test although I probably 
wouldn't take a developer out and shoot them for just writing . I *would* take them out and shoot them for writing  which I think is a horribly ugly and easily misread condition! 
 is *much* clearer. I've seen many 'non-programmers' 
write the equivalent of 'not len(x)' when they really mean something 
like 'len(x) ne 0'! My motto is: be explicit.

Note: never, ever compare boolean expressions to 0 or 1 (or false / 
true), especially to 1 (true).  is not always equivalent to 
 - precisely because people can be lazy about mixing 
numbers with real booleans.

Note 2: don't write this sort of thing either:







Think about that... you really mean this, don't you:



(and then treat 'x' as a boolean)

The following seems a more common version of that:







Why not:



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RE: Studio MX

[Dave Watts]

> So I'm just left looking for a claification on this 
> part of my question:
> 
> "I assume there is a demo/single-license version of MX 
> server I can download. Would my best option be to just 
> stick with Studio5 and download the MX server?"

Yes, I think so. I'd recommend that you try out Dreamweaver MX using the
free, time-limited trial version, but there's no reason to stop using CF
Studio if you're happy with it.

> If I do this, is there some place I can get VTMs and help
> files and documentation for new tags?"

Yes. All of this is available somewhere on the MM site. I'm not sure where,
but I imagine this could easily be found in the list archives.

> Which brings up another point -- I also want to get the 
> documentation for CFMX. What's the best way to do that?

The documentation comes with CFMX, so if you download that, you'll get it
all in HTML. Or, you can download it from the MM site in PDF format. Or, you
can go to http://livedocs.macromedia.com/.

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RE: Studio MX

[Dave Watts]

> 
> > 
> > And, really, I would use this:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> should be 
> 
> 
> 
> BECAUSE Len() DOES NOT RETURN A BOOLEAN!
> 
> 

Pedantry can be dangerous. While Len returns an integer, CF treats non-zero
integer values as boolean "true" values when they're used in boolean
expressions.

Now, you may argue that your explicit syntax is more readable, but I'd
counter that by saying that any competent CF developer should know that
integers are treated as boolean values.

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Re: Studio MX

[Massimo, Tiziana e Federica]

> There are THREE (3) core reasons that people whom have been in use of
> ColdFusion Studio have as a problem with Dreamweaver MX:
>
> 1) It is SLOOW.  Slow, as in molasses-slow.

Very true.

Personally I don't care too much since I always used DW side by side with a
text editor (HomeSite or whatever), as good as a visual tool can be I will
always have the need for a fast text editor with a small footprint. I hope
Homesite will survive, if not, I will move to EditPlus or UltraEdit for that
kind of job



> 2) Text-searching.  When you are doing coding, you need good and fast
> find/replace, and most importantly, REGEX searching.  Dreamwaver MX has
> piss-poor support for these, eons below CF Studio's functionality.

It's not the first time I hear this, I use Homesite since 1996 and DW since
1997, both almost on a daily basis. I can say for sure that the find/replace
GUI in DW definitely needs some love, but it's much more powerful than what
Homesite/CF Studio offer, it leaves Homesite/CF Studio in the dust in this
department.

First of all it's *faster* and the ability to search by specific tags is
something unique, no other tool offer it (it has full support for RegExp as
well).

Trust me, give it another try, spend 30 minutes on it, explore all the
features in DW's find/replace and you will discover a bunch of gems (hidden
under the surface of a GUI that could be improved). This doesn't means you
are going to mlove DW but, at least, you will be able to give a less biased
opinion :-)))



> 3) Buggy.  Need I say any more?

Yes, MX is the most innovative release of DW so far and, in my opinion, the
most buggy too :-)

Anyway, I wasn't able to use CF 4.5 until 4.5.2 upgrade came out, and I am
sure I wasn't alone :-)
A few people from MM announced on the forum that a dot release is not too
far...



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RE: Studio MX

[Russ]

I used to think it was slow and buggy, to tell you the truth.  In fact,
I loved the interface and the integration, but I absolutely abhorred the
way that it handled on a laptop I had.

Then, I bought the StudioMX and installed it on a machine with 1gb DDR
RAM and I've had no problems--and am enjoying it thoroughly.

Admittedly, I'm hardly the CFMX'er I want to be and I'm only a couple of
months deep, however, life certainly is a lot easier this way now.

My $.02 from the newbie side of the ColdFusion Fence.

Russ

> -Original Message-
> From: Owens, Howard [mailto:HOwens@;insidevc.com] 
> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 12:44 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Studio MX
> 
> 
> Thanks for the input.
> 
> So far, you all got me leaning toward sticking with Studio5.  
> It would be fun to have the integrated tools of StudioMX, but 
> if the program is slow and buggy, what's the use?  I have 
> UltraDev, but I hardly ever use it. It's not good for coding 
> and I rarely do visual development.
> 
> So I'm just left looking for a claification on this part of 
> my question:
> 
>   "I assume there is a demo/single-license version of MX 
> server I can download.
>   Would my best option be to just stick with Studio5 and 
> download the MX
>   server?  If I do this, is there some place I can get 
> VTMs and help files and documentation for new tags?"
> 
> Which brings up another point -- I also want to get the 
> documentation for CFMX.  What's the best way to do that?
> 
> H.
> 
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-----
> > From:   Owens, Howard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent:   Thursday, November 07, 2002 12:49 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject:Studio MX
> > 
> > 
> > I assume there is a demo/single-license version of MX server I can 
> > download. Would my best option be to just stick with Studio5 and 
> > download the MX server?  If I do this, is there some place 
> I can get 
> > VTMs and help files and
> > documentation for new tags?
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > H.
> > 
> 
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RE: Studio MX

[Owens, Howard]

Thanks for the input.

So far, you all got me leaning toward sticking with Studio5.  It would be
fun to have the integrated tools of StudioMX, but if the program is slow and
buggy, what's the use?  I have UltraDev, but I hardly ever use it. It's not
good for coding and I rarely do visual development.

So I'm just left looking for a claification on this part of my question:

"I assume there is a demo/single-license version of MX server I can
download.
Would my best option be to just stick with Studio5 and download the
MX
server?  If I do this, is there some place I can get VTMs and help
files and
documentation for new tags?"

Which brings up another point -- I also want to get the documentation for
CFMX.  What's the best way to do that?

H.



> -Original Message-
> From: Owens, Howard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 12:49 PM
> To:   CF-Talk
> Subject:  Studio MX
> 
> 
> I assume there is a demo/single-license version of MX server I can
> download.
> Would my best option be to just stick with Studio5 and download the MX
> server?  If I do this, is there some place I can get VTMs and help files
> and
> documentation for new tags?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> H.
> 
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Re: Studio MX

[Rick Root]

Bryan Stevenson wrote:
> Ergwrite less efficient code for the sake of possible future
> developers!!!???
> 
> How about keeping the more efficient code and commenting it so those future
> developers will understand it ;-)

For a little fun I wrote some code to test the performance difference
between  and 

I did 100,000 iterations each on my relatively slow server (566 celeron 
with 256MB of RAM), running CF 5.0.  I repeated the test three times.

 took 16,16, seconds
 took 18,17,18 seconds

If your site gets 1 million page views a day (WOW!) and each of those 
has 10 such evaluations... that's 10 million evaluations and a total
of 200 seconds additional processing time per day.  Assuming you have
a old slow system.

I ran the same code on my desktop, which is running the CFMX Triale, has 
a 2ghz processor and 1GB of RAM.

Both took 0 seconds to complete.  I upped the repetition to a 10 
million, and each took 14 seconds.


SO... all that being given... I'll take the readable code over
the "performance increase".

  - Rick












#COUNTER# - Completed in #DateDiff('s',Before,After)# 
seconds









#COUNTER# - Completed in #DateDiff('s',Before,After)# 
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Re: Studio MX

[Bryan Stevenson]

Ergwrite less efficient code for the sake of possible future
developers!!!???

How about keeping the more efficient code and commenting it so those future
developers will understand it ;-)

Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
t. 250.920.8830
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- Original Message -
From: "Rick Root" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: Studio MX


> Kreig Zimmerman wrote:
> > No.  Len() is evaluated as a Boolean because in CF, True/False, Yes/No,
> > and 1(+)/0 are all evaluated as Boolean pairs.
> >
> > Trust me.  I use this everywhere in my own code.
>
> I used to do this a lot too, but I found that spelling it out makes the
> code more legible to others... which is something that all good
> programmers should strive for unless they are 100% positive that nobody
> else will ever have to deal with their code.
>
>   - Rick
>
>
>
> 
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Re: Studio MX

[Bryan Stevenson]

Actually Mark you can use them on the left side of an assignment if you are
dynamically creating your var names (but that doesn't happen often here) ;-)

Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
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- Original Message -
From: "Mark A. Kruger - CFG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 9:12 AM
Subject: RE: Studio MX


> Robert,
>
> Pound signs are used to "output" variables where you want them "display"
or
> (in some cases) to concatenate and create a new variable.  They are never
> used on the left side of an assigment statement.
>
>
> wrong...
> 
> ...right
> 
>
>  wrong
> 
> . right.
> 
>
>
> Some folks "might" use them for dynamic evaluation - to determine a
> variable name at run time.  For example:
>
>
> 
>
>
> This is also unnessasary in this case because X can stand alone as in...
>
> 
>
> One case where it is "sometimes" acceptable is when you are building an
> entirely new string on the fly for  dynamic evaluation.  For example:
>
>
> 
>
> This sometimes comes into play when you have a series of form elelements
> generated from a query and you want access them at runtime without knowing
> in advance how many of them there are - or which items are in the query
etc.
>
> For the most part, pound signs are unnecessary in about 95% of the cases
> INSIDE a CF tag (   etc.). Typically they are used just to se
nd
> variable values to the output buffer ... .as in #x#
>
> -mk
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Polickoski [mailto:rpolickoski@;isrd.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 9:42 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Studio MX
>
>
> I am fairly new to CFML (3 months).  You mentioned the "rookie use
> of pound signs."  How else do you identify variables?
>
> Robert J. Polickoski
> Senior Programmer, ISRD Inc.
> (540) 842-6339
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> AIM - RobertJFP
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mark A. Kruger - CFG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date:  Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:35:02 -0600
>
> >Rick,
> >
> >Yeah - the file explorer drives me crazy - all the files and
> folders
> >together... If you have a complex directory structure it means
> constantly
> >scrolling over to the right to find the right file.
> >
> >Something else - DWMX has a bunch of wizards to write CF code.
> One I saw
> >one demonstrated that was the "data-entry" wizard. It built a
> form for
> >entering records into a database.  You provide the DB and select
> the form
> >elements etc.  It was based on a recordset that you create.  You
> go through
> >the wizard and it creates code for you - including validation
> code.  But the
> >CF code very poor. It actuallly did this on the validation:
> >
> >
> >  validate blah
> >
> >
> >Notice the rookie use of the pound signs.  It made me wonder if
> CF server
> >folks were involved in the creation of the CF wizards at all.
> >
> >-mk
> >
> >P.S. - Studio 5 rocks.
> >
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Rick Root [mailto:rroot@;wakeinternet.com]
> >Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 9:00 AM
> >To: CF-Talk
> >Subject: Re: Studio MX
> >
> >
> >David Adams wrote:
> >> Everyone I know is still using studio and if in a pinch
> Homesite MX. In
> >> our lives we need more simplicity not complexity.
> >
> >I guess I missed the rest of this thread but I thought I'd chime
> in with
> >my opinion.
> >
> >I don't like Dreamweaver MX.  We have a Site License for it here
> at
> >Duke, but I simply don't like it.  I don't like the new explorer
> layout
> >that they use.. I much prefer the directories on top and the
> files down
> >below.
> >
> >I'm still using Studio 4.5 and will probably continue to use it
> after we
> >upgrade to CFMX in the next few weeks.
> >
> >  - Rick
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> 
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RE: Boolean Evaluation was RE: Studio MX

[Lofback, Chris]

My background is Perl where this kind of boolean evaluation is common and I
still use it extensively in my CF code.  AFAIK, all boolean evaluations
treat zero as false and any other numeric value as true.  I use it wherever
I know the values will be numeric.  For example, I use this quite often:


   No data found!

   
  ...
   


I guess one argument against this format is that if you spell out the
boolean condition it is self-documenting.  But to me, this is a convenient
shortcut and more a matter of style than anything else.

Chris Lofback
Sr. Web Developer

TRX Integration
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Clearwater, FL  33761
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> -Original Message-
> From: Stephen Moretti [mailto:stephen@;cfmaster.co.uk]
> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 11:19 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Studio MX
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > And, really, I would use this:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> should be 
> 
> 
> 
> BECAUSE Len() DOES NOT RETURN A BOOLEAN!
> 
> 
> 
> I'll go away now..
> 
> Stephen
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Studio MX

[Rick Root]

Kreig Zimmerman wrote:
> No.  Len() is evaluated as a Boolean because in CF, True/False, Yes/No, 
> and 1(+)/0 are all evaluated as Boolean pairs.
> 
> Trust me.  I use this everywhere in my own code.

I used to do this a lot too, but I found that spelling it out makes the 
code more legible to others... which is something that all good 
programmers should strive for unless they are 100% positive that nobody 
else will ever have to deal with their code.

  - Rick



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RE: Studio MX

[Mark A. Kruger - CFG]

Stephen,

Actually, CF evaluates 0 and non 0 as boolean (like some other languages) -
and doing it this way is actually a performance benefit.

-mk

-Original Message-
From: Stephen Moretti [mailto:stephen@;cfmaster.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 10:19 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Studio MX



>
> And, really, I would use this:
>
> 
>

should be



BECAUSE Len() DOES NOT RETURN A BOOLEAN!



I'll go away now..

Stephen



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RE: Studio MX

[Mark A. Kruger - CFG]

Rick,

Yes - and it also adds a big "ick" factor to your code.

-mk

-Original Message-
From: Rick Root [mailto:rroot@;wakeinternet.com]
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 9:38 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Studio MX


Mark A. Kruger - CFG wrote:
> CF code very poor. It actuallly did this on the validation:
>
> 
>    validate blah
> 
>
> Notice the rookie use of the pound signs.  It made me wonder if CF server
> folks were involved in the creation of the CF wizards at all.

Hahahahha... isn't that one of the things every one of us has been
taught to avoid for performance reasons? =)

  - Rick



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RE: Studio MX

[Mark A. Kruger - CFG]

Robert,

Pound signs are used to "output" variables where you want them "display" or
(in some cases) to concatenate and create a new variable.  They are never
used on the left side of an assigment statement.


wrong...

...right


 wrong

. right.



Some folks "might" use them for dynamic evaluation - to determine a
variable name at run time.  For example:





This is also unnessasary in this case because X can stand alone as in...



One case where it is "sometimes" acceptable is when you are building an
entirely new string on the fly for  dynamic evaluation.  For example:




This sometimes comes into play when you have a series of form elelements
generated from a query and you want access them at runtime without knowing
in advance how many of them there are - or which items are in the query etc.

For the most part, pound signs are unnecessary in about 95% of the cases
INSIDE a CF tag (   etc.). Typically they are used just to send
variable values to the output buffer ... .as in #x#

-mk



-Original Message-
From: Robert Polickoski [mailto:rpolickoski@;isrd.com]
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 9:42 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Studio MX


I am fairly new to CFML (3 months).  You mentioned the "rookie use
of pound signs."  How else do you identify variables?

Robert J. Polickoski
Senior Programmer, ISRD Inc.
(540) 842-6339
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
AIM - RobertJFP



-- Original Message --
From: "Mark A. Kruger - CFG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:35:02 -0600

>Rick,
>
>Yeah - the file explorer drives me crazy - all the files and
folders
>together... If you have a complex directory structure it means
constantly
>scrolling over to the right to find the right file.
>
>Something else - DWMX has a bunch of wizards to write CF code.
One I saw
>one demonstrated that was the "data-entry" wizard. It built a
form for
>entering records into a database.  You provide the DB and select
the form
>elements etc.  It was based on a recordset that you create.  You
go through
>the wizard and it creates code for you - including validation
code.  But the
>CF code very poor. It actuallly did this on the validation:
>
>
>    validate blah
>
>
>Notice the rookie use of the pound signs.  It made me wonder if
CF server
>folks were involved in the creation of the CF wizards at all.
>
>-mk
>
>P.S. - Studio 5 rocks.
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Rick Root [mailto:rroot@;wakeinternet.com]
>Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 9:00 AM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: Re: Studio MX
>
>
>David Adams wrote:
>> Everyone I know is still using studio and if in a pinch
Homesite MX. In
>> our lives we need more simplicity not complexity.
>
>I guess I missed the rest of this thread but I thought I'd chime
in with
>my opinion.
>
>I don't like Dreamweaver MX.  We have a Site License for it here
at
>Duke, but I simply don't like it.  I don't like the new explorer
layout
>that they use.. I much prefer the directories on top and the
files down
>below.
>
>I'm still using Studio 4.5 and will probably continue to use it
after we
>upgrade to CFMX in the next few weeks.
>
>  - Rick
>
>
>
>

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RE: Studio MX

[Mark A. Kruger - CFG]

Nah... I think you are giving him too much credit .

-Original Message-
From: Mike Townend [mailto:mike@;cfnews.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 10:50 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Studio MX


I think stephen was thinking more future wise Len() actually returns
an Integer (or maybe a long) and if CF was to move into a Typed language
then a  would be incorrect without some sort of conversion.

HTH


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From: Kreig Zimmerman [mailto:kkz@;foureyes.com]
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2002 16:29
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Studio MX


No.  Len() is evaluated as a Boolean because in CF, True/False, Yes/No,
and 1(+)/0 are all evaluated as Boolean pairs.

Trust me.  I use this everywhere in my own code.

Stephen Moretti wrote:

>
>
>
>>And, really, I would use this:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>should be
>
>
>
>BECAUSE Len() DOES NOT RETURN A BOOLEAN!
>
>
>
>I'll go away now..
>
>Stephen
>
>
>


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RE: Studio MX

[Mike Townend]

I think stephen was thinking more future wise Len() actually returns
an Integer (or maybe a long) and if CF was to move into a Typed language
then a  would be incorrect without some sort of conversion.

HTH


-Original Message-
From: Kreig Zimmerman [mailto:kkz@;foureyes.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2002 16:29
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Studio MX


No.  Len() is evaluated as a Boolean because in CF, True/False, Yes/No, 
and 1(+)/0 are all evaluated as Boolean pairs.

Trust me.  I use this everywhere in my own code.

Stephen Moretti wrote:

>
>  
>
>>And, really, I would use this:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>should be
>
>
>
>BECAUSE Len() DOES NOT RETURN A BOOLEAN!
>
>
>
>I'll go away now..
>
>Stephen
>
>
>

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RE: Studio MX

[Vernon Viehe]

Hey Kreig,

Thanks for sharing your ideas here regarding the obsticles some CFers have with 
Dreamweaver. I've heard a variety of issues mentioned, some of which you touch upon, 
some of which you don't. The Dreamweaver development team actually has a special group 
of folks dedicated to working out some of these issues for CFers. You may have heard 
that at DevCon, there was a special session where CFers discussed their thoughts about 
Dreamweaver and, Dreamweaver and HS+/CFStudio aside, what their ideal IDE would be 
like.

I think you'll find that Macromedia continues to work to provide CFers and other 
developers with the best possible IDEs, be it in HomeSite+ or in Dreamweaver.

If you haven't already, please be sure to share your thoughts on this with the 
Dreamweaver team by submitting your feedback at: 
http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=6

The more feedback they get via this form, the more likely they will be able to provide 
you with a tool you're completely happy with.

Thanks!

Vernon Viehe
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-Original Message-
From: Kreig Zimmerman [mailto:kkz@;foureyes.com]
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 8:14 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Studio MX


OK.

Enough of the sermonizing as to why people are using this that and the 
other; why coders are coders and designers are designers and the twain 
shall never meet; and all sort of idiotic posturing.

There are THREE (3) core reasons that people whom have been in use of 
ColdFusion Studio have as a problem with Dreamweaver MX:

1) It is SLOOW.  Slow, as in molasses-slow.  I have a PIII/866 at 
work, 256MB RAM, and it hangs up and plays spin-the-cursor constantly on 
me.  This is ludicrous.  What is the recommended platform?  PIV+512MB 
RAM?  What kind of test platform were you using, Macromedia?

2) Text-searching.  When you are doing coding, you need good and fast 
find/replace, and most importantly, REGEX searching.  Dreamwaver MX has 
piss-poor support for these, eons below CF Studio's functionality.

3) Buggy.  Need I say any more?  I don't care whether you use Mac or PC, 
there is too many bugs that come a-cropper at the worst possible moments 
for Dreamweaver MX to be useful for any sort of truly useful 
productivity.  Add on top the aforementioned issues, and CF Studio (on 
PC) is the way to go (still).

As a sop, however, I will give one absolute positive:

1) Site Management.  This is a neat feature.  Unfortunately, it does 
straight time-stamp comparison instead of byte-length; unfortunately, it 
too is buggy; however, it si just about the only thing I use Dreamweaver 
MX for.  Improve it slightly, and we are yours forever.

PS What exactly is the purpose of Contribute?  Is that FrontPage MX? 
 How useful is it to any non-technical people--really?  What is the point?



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Re: Studio MX

[Jeff Garza]

Actually, in CF 0 evaluates to a boolean false.  Any non zero integer
evaluates to a boolean true





boolFalse does not equal zero

boolFalse equals zero


boolTrue does not equal zero

boolTrue equals zero


Cheers,

Jeff

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To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: Studio MX



>
> And, really, I would use this:
>
> 
>

should be



BECAUSE Len() DOES NOT RETURN A BOOLEAN!



I'll go away now..

Stephen



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Re: Studio MX

[Kreig Zimmerman]

No.  Len() is evaluated as a Boolean because in CF, True/False, Yes/No, 
and 1(+)/0 are all evaluated as Boolean pairs.

Trust me.  I use this everywhere in my own code.

Stephen Moretti wrote:

>
>  
>
>>And, really, I would use this:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>should be 
>
>
>
>BECAUSE Len() DOES NOT RETURN A BOOLEAN!
>
>
>
>I'll go away now..
>
>Stephen
>
>
>
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Re: Studio MX

[Kreig Zimmerman]

It absolutely causes better performance.  As of CFMX, that is.

The underlying Java translation is much quicker if it is not doing an 
absolute string comparison.

Lofback, Chris wrote:

>drop the pound signs for clarity and--I think--better
>performance.
>
>  
>

-- 
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Re: Studio MX

[Stephen Moretti]

> 
> And, really, I would use this:
> 
> 
> 

should be 



BECAUSE Len() DOES NOT RETURN A BOOLEAN!



I'll go away now..

Stephen


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Re: Studio MX

[Kreig Zimmerman]

OK.

Enough of the sermonizing as to why people are using this that and the 
other; why coders are coders and designers are designers and the twain 
shall never meet; and all sort of idiotic posturing.

There are THREE (3) core reasons that people whom have been in use of 
ColdFusion Studio have as a problem with Dreamweaver MX:

1) It is SLOOW.  Slow, as in molasses-slow.  I have a PIII/866 at 
work, 256MB RAM, and it hangs up and plays spin-the-cursor constantly on 
me.  This is ludicrous.  What is the recommended platform?  PIV+512MB 
RAM?  What kind of test platform were you using, Macromedia?

2) Text-searching.  When you are doing coding, you need good and fast 
find/replace, and most importantly, REGEX searching.  Dreamwaver MX has 
piss-poor support for these, eons below CF Studio's functionality.

3) Buggy.  Need I say any more?  I don't care whether you use Mac or PC, 
there is too many bugs that come a-cropper at the worst possible moments 
for Dreamweaver MX to be useful for any sort of truly useful 
productivity.  Add on top the aforementioned issues, and CF Studio (on 
PC) is the way to go (still).

As a sop, however, I will give one absolute positive:

1) Site Management.  This is a neat feature.  Unfortunately, it does 
straight time-stamp comparison instead of byte-length; unfortunately, it 
too is buggy; however, it si just about the only thing I use Dreamweaver 
MX for.  Improve it slightly, and we are yours forever.

PS What exactly is the purpose of Contribute?  Is that FrontPage MX? 
 How useful is it to any non-technical people--really?  What is the point?


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RE: Studio MX

[todd]

No # signs.





On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Robert Polickoski wrote:

> I am fairly new to CFML (3 months).  You mentioned the "rookie use 
> of pound signs."  How else do you identify variables?
> 
> Robert J. Polickoski
> Senior Programmer, ISRD Inc.
> (540) 842-6339
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> AIM - RobertJFP
> 
> 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mark A. Kruger - CFG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date:  Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:35:02 -0600
> 
> >Rick,
> >
> >Yeah - the file explorer drives me crazy - all the files and 
> folders
> >together... If you have a complex directory structure it means 
> constantly
> >scrolling over to the right to find the right file.
> >
> >Something else - DWMX has a bunch of wizards to write CF code.  
> One I saw
> >one demonstrated that was the "data-entry" wizard. It built a 
> form for
> >entering records into a database.  You provide the DB and select 
> the form
> >elements etc.  It was based on a recordset that you create.  You 
> go through
> >the wizard and it creates code for you - including validation 
> code.  But the
> >CF code very poor. It actuallly did this on the validation:
> >
> >
> >  validate blah
> >
> >
> >Notice the rookie use of the pound signs.  It made me wonder if 
> CF server
> >folks were involved in the creation of the CF wizards at all.
> >
> >-mk
> >
> >P.S. - Studio 5 rocks.
> >
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Rick Root [mailto:rroot@;wakeinternet.com]
> >Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 9:00 AM
> >To: CF-Talk
> >Subject: Re: Studio MX
> >
> >
> >David Adams wrote:
> >> Everyone I know is still using studio and if in a pinch 
> Homesite MX. In
> >> our lives we need more simplicity not complexity.
> >
> >I guess I missed the rest of this thread but I thought I'd chime 
> in with
> >my opinion.
> >
> >I don't like Dreamweaver MX.  We have a Site License for it here 
> at
> >Duke, but I simply don't like it.  I don't like the new explorer 
> layout
> >that they use.. I much prefer the directories on top and the 
> files down
> >below.
> >
> >I'm still using Studio 4.5 and will probably continue to use it 
> after we
> >upgrade to CFMX in the next few weeks.
> >
> >  - Rick
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
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RE: Studio MX

[Lofback, Chris]

As I learned it, pound signs are really only needed when CFOUTPUTting
variables and for certain CF tag parameters.  For comparisons and
functions/expressions, drop the pound signs for clarity and--I think--better
performance.

 should be 

And, really, I would use this:



Chris Lofback
Sr. Web Developer

TRX Integration
28051 US 19 N., Ste. C
Clearwater, FL  33761
www.trxi.com


> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Polickoski [mailto:rpolickoski@;isrd.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 10:42 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Studio MX
> 
> 
> I am fairly new to CFML (3 months).  You mentioned the "rookie use 
> of pound signs."  How else do you identify variables?
> 
> Robert J. Polickoski
> Senior Programmer, ISRD Inc.
> (540) 842-6339
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> AIM - RobertJFP
> 
> 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mark A. Kruger - CFG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date:  Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:35:02 -0600
> 
> >Rick,
> >
> >Yeah - the file explorer drives me crazy - all the files and 
> folders
> >together... If you have a complex directory structure it means 
> constantly
> >scrolling over to the right to find the right file.
> >
> >Something else - DWMX has a bunch of wizards to write CF code.  
> One I saw
> >one demonstrated that was the "data-entry" wizard. It built a 
> form for
> >entering records into a database.  You provide the DB and select 
> the form
> >elements etc.  It was based on a recordset that you create.  You 
> go through
> >the wizard and it creates code for you - including validation 
> code.  But the
> >CF code very poor. It actuallly did this on the validation:
> >
> >
> >  validate blah
> >
> >
> >Notice the rookie use of the pound signs.  It made me wonder if 
> CF server
> >folks were involved in the creation of the CF wizards at all.
> >
> >-mk
> >
> >P.S. - Studio 5 rocks.
> >
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Rick Root [mailto:rroot@;wakeinternet.com]
> >Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 9:00 AM
> >To: CF-Talk
> >Subject: Re: Studio MX
> >
> >
> >David Adams wrote:
> >> Everyone I know is still using studio and if in a pinch 
> Homesite MX. In
> >> our lives we need more simplicity not complexity.
> >
> >I guess I missed the rest of this thread but I thought I'd chime 
> in with
> >my opinion.
> >
> >I don't like Dreamweaver MX.  We have a Site License for it here 
> at
> >Duke, but I simply don't like it.  I don't like the new explorer 
> layout
> >that they use.. I much prefer the directories on top and the 
> files down
> >below.
> >
> >I'm still using Studio 4.5 and will probably continue to use it 
> after we
> >upgrade to CFMX in the next few weeks.
> >
> >  - Rick
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
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Re: Studio MX

[samcfug]

There are, of course many still using Studio 4.5, and an increasing number migrating 
to StudioMX and
Homesite+
There are a couple of features that disappeared with the MX version due to the Adobe 
Lawsuit,
however, many work-arounds have been posted from time to time, and there is an option 
for the hard
core coders to work in a relatively familiar environment, as well as the newbies who 
prefer to work
in a GUI environment.   StudioMX also easily switches back and forth to suit the user, 
and is so
integrated with Flash, Fireworks, Freehand, etc. that more and more are beginning to 
swear by it.
There is a learning curve, and that alone meets with some resistance from the old-line 
coders (like
me) that are accustomed to working in a high production environment and are reluctant 
to take the
Production hit while learning to navigate around in DWMX to get the job done.

It does appear that MM wants to make developers out of designers, and designers out of 
developers,
and in many cases, based on history this is a twain that is having great difficulty 
being met.

My suggestion for those who do only coding, stick with the tools you are familiar with 
and are the
most productive with, but for the ones who are trying to do a mix of design and 
development, and are
more comfortable in a GUI environment, then MX is the way to go.

Sales records show that DWMX is very popular indeed, especially when it can be used in 
a variety of
environments, such as JavaScript, PHP, and others, in addition to ColdFusion.  It is a 
versatile
tool, but does require getting used to.

Just my .02.

=
Douglas White
group Manager
mailto:doug@;samcfug.org
http://www.samcfug.org
=
- Original Message -
From: "Rick Root" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: Studio MX


| David Adams wrote:
| > Everyone I know is still using studio and if in a pinch Homesite MX. In
| > our lives we need more simplicity not complexity.
|
| I guess I missed the rest of this thread but I thought I'd chime in with
| my opinion.
|
| I don't like Dreamweaver MX.  We have a Site License for it here at
| Duke, but I simply don't like it.  I don't like the new explorer layout
| that they use.. I much prefer the directories on top and the files down
| below.
|
| I'm still using Studio 4.5 and will probably continue to use it after we
| upgrade to CFMX in the next few weeks.
|
|   - Rick
|
|
| 
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RE: Studio MX

[Raymond Camden]

You only need the # signs when outputting the value of a variable or
using it inside a string. For example:



I didn't output x or y so I never needed the pound.


x is #x#


Here I need the pound sign. It helps tell CF where the variable is.

One more example:



In this case, the variable was embedded in a string. The # signs tell CF
to evaluate it. However, I could also write it as:




===
Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Hire

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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"My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda 

> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Polickoski [mailto:rpolickoski@;isrd.com] 
> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 10:42 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Studio MX
> 
> 
> I am fairly new to CFML (3 months).  You mentioned the "rookie use 
> of pound signs."  How else do you identify variables?
> 
> Robert J. Polickoski
> Senior Programmer, ISRD Inc.
> (540) 842-6339
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> AIM - RobertJFP
> 
> 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mark A. Kruger - CFG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date:  Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:35:02 -0600
> 
> >Rick,
> >
> >Yeah - the file explorer drives me crazy - all the files and 
> folders
> >together... If you have a complex directory structure it means 
> constantly
> >scrolling over to the right to find the right file.
> >
> >Something else - DWMX has a bunch of wizards to write CF code.  
> One I saw
> >one demonstrated that was the "data-entry" wizard. It built a 
> form for
> >entering records into a database.  You provide the DB and select 
> the form
> >elements etc.  It was based on a recordset that you create.  You 
> go through
> >the wizard and it creates code for you - including validation 
> code.  But the
> >CF code very poor. It actuallly did this on the validation:
> >
> >
> >  validate blah
> >
> >
> >Notice the rookie use of the pound signs.  It made me wonder if 
> CF server
> >folks were involved in the creation of the CF wizards at all.
> >
> >-mk
> >
> >P.S. - Studio 5 rocks.
> >
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Rick Root [mailto:rroot@;wakeinternet.com]
> >Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 9:00 AM
> >To: CF-Talk
> >Subject: Re: Studio MX
> >
> >
> >David Adams wrote:
> >> Everyone I know is still using studio and if in a pinch 
> Homesite MX. In
> >> our lives we need more simplicity not complexity.
> >
> >I guess I missed the rest of this thread but I thought I'd chime 
> in with
> >my opinion.
> >
> >I don't like Dreamweaver MX.  We have a Site License for it here 
> at
> >Duke, but I simply don't like it.  I don't like the new explorer 
> layout
> >that they use.. I much prefer the directories on top and the 
> files down
> >below.
> >
> >I'm still using Studio 4.5 and will probably continue to use it 
> after we
> >upgrade to CFMX in the next few weeks.
> >
> >  - Rick
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
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RE: Studio MX

[Clint Tredway]

What he is talking about is inside, lets say the cfif tag, cf variables
do not need pound signs around them.

Clint

-Original Message-
From: Robert Polickoski [mailto:rpolickoski@;isrd.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 9:42 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Studio MX


I am fairly new to CFML (3 months).  You mentioned the "rookie use 
of pound signs."  How else do you identify variables?

Robert J. Polickoski
Senior Programmer, ISRD Inc.
(540) 842-6339
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
AIM - RobertJFP



-- Original Message --
From: "Mark A. Kruger - CFG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:35:02 -0600

>Rick,
>
>Yeah - the file explorer drives me crazy - all the files and
folders
>together... If you have a complex directory structure it means
constantly
>scrolling over to the right to find the right file.
>
>Something else - DWMX has a bunch of wizards to write CF code.
One I saw
>one demonstrated that was the "data-entry" wizard. It built a
form for
>entering records into a database.  You provide the DB and select
the form
>elements etc.  It was based on a recordset that you create.  You
go through
>the wizard and it creates code for you - including validation
code.  But the
>CF code very poor. It actuallly did this on the validation:
>
>
>    validate blah
>
>
>Notice the rookie use of the pound signs.  It made me wonder if
CF server
>folks were involved in the creation of the CF wizards at all.
>
>-mk
>
>P.S. - Studio 5 rocks.
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Rick Root [mailto:rroot@;wakeinternet.com]
>Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 9:00 AM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: Re: Studio MX
>
>
>David Adams wrote:
>> Everyone I know is still using studio and if in a pinch
Homesite MX. In
>> our lives we need more simplicity not complexity.
>
>I guess I missed the rest of this thread but I thought I'd chime
in with
>my opinion.
>
>I don't like Dreamweaver MX.  We have a Site License for it here
at
>Duke, but I simply don't like it.  I don't like the new explorer
layout
>that they use.. I much prefer the directories on top and the
files down
>below.
>
>I'm still using Studio 4.5 and will probably continue to use it
after we
>upgrade to CFMX in the next few weeks.
>
>  - Rick
>
>
>
>

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Re: Studio MX

[Rick Root]

Mark A. Kruger - CFG wrote:
> CF code very poor. It actuallly did this on the validation:
> 
> 
>    validate blah
> 
> 
> Notice the rookie use of the pound signs.  It made me wonder if CF server
> folks were involved in the creation of the CF wizards at all.

Hahahahha... isn't that one of the things every one of us has been 
taught to avoid for performance reasons? =)

  - Rick


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RE: Studio MX

[Robert Polickoski]

I am fairly new to CFML (3 months).  You mentioned the "rookie use 
of pound signs."  How else do you identify variables?

Robert J. Polickoski
Senior Programmer, ISRD Inc.
(540) 842-6339
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
AIM - RobertJFP



-- Original Message --
From: "Mark A. Kruger - CFG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:35:02 -0600

>Rick,
>
>Yeah - the file explorer drives me crazy - all the files and 
folders
>together... If you have a complex directory structure it means 
constantly
>scrolling over to the right to find the right file.
>
>Something else - DWMX has a bunch of wizards to write CF code.  
One I saw
>one demonstrated that was the "data-entry" wizard. It built a 
form for
>entering records into a database.  You provide the DB and select 
the form
>elements etc.  It was based on a recordset that you create.  You 
go through
>the wizard and it creates code for you - including validation 
code.  But the
>CF code very poor. It actuallly did this on the validation:
>
>
>    validate blah
>
>
>Notice the rookie use of the pound signs.  It made me wonder if 
CF server
>folks were involved in the creation of the CF wizards at all.
>
>-mk
>
>P.S. - Studio 5 rocks.
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Rick Root [mailto:rroot@;wakeinternet.com]
>Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 9:00 AM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: Re: Studio MX
>
>
>David Adams wrote:
>> Everyone I know is still using studio and if in a pinch 
Homesite MX. In
>> our lives we need more simplicity not complexity.
>
>I guess I missed the rest of this thread but I thought I'd chime 
in with
>my opinion.
>
>I don't like Dreamweaver MX.  We have a Site License for it here 
at
>Duke, but I simply don't like it.  I don't like the new explorer 
layout
>that they use.. I much prefer the directories on top and the 
files down
>below.
>
>I'm still using Studio 4.5 and will probably continue to use it 
after we
>upgrade to CFMX in the next few weeks.
>
>  - Rick
>
>
>
>
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RE: Studio MX

[Mark A. Kruger - CFG]

Rick,

Yeah - the file explorer drives me crazy - all the files and folders
together... If you have a complex directory structure it means constantly
scrolling over to the right to find the right file.

Something else - DWMX has a bunch of wizards to write CF code.  One I saw
one demonstrated that was the "data-entry" wizard. It built a form for
entering records into a database.  You provide the DB and select the form
elements etc.  It was based on a recordset that you create.  You go through
the wizard and it creates code for you - including validation code.  But the
CF code very poor. It actuallly did this on the validation:


 validate blah


Notice the rookie use of the pound signs.  It made me wonder if CF server
folks were involved in the creation of the CF wizards at all.

-mk

P.S. - Studio 5 rocks.



-Original Message-
From: Rick Root [mailto:rroot@;wakeinternet.com]
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 9:00 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Studio MX


David Adams wrote:
> Everyone I know is still using studio and if in a pinch Homesite MX. In
> our lives we need more simplicity not complexity.

I guess I missed the rest of this thread but I thought I'd chime in with
my opinion.

I don't like Dreamweaver MX.  We have a Site License for it here at
Duke, but I simply don't like it.  I don't like the new explorer layout
that they use.. I much prefer the directories on top and the files down
below.

I'm still using Studio 4.5 and will probably continue to use it after we
upgrade to CFMX in the next few weeks.

  - Rick



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RE: Studio MX

[Michael Kear]

There are a lot of issues with Dreamweaver MX that are really just a matter
of getting used to.  Studio does it this way,  Dreamweaver does it that way,
and once you're used to it,  it works just as fine.

I love the file upload part of DWMX.  This is one of the great features of
Studio I always wished would have worked and never did.

However Rick, I agree with you about the explorer layout.  If you have a
site with lots of directories under the root, and each has a index.cfm file,
its awful easy to pick up the wrong one and work on it.  Or work on one,
save it, then upload the wrong one to the site, so the change you thought
you made hasn't been deployed.I think of the two approaches, Studio had
the better one.


I use both Studio and DWMX.  When I'm doing routine work, I use Dreamweaver.
I think it's quicker overall making the change, and a single click to upload
it ot the server without having to navigate to the server's proper folder.
But when I'm doing something involving more than basic code, I use Studio.


But I think it's really our responsibility as CF developers to learn the
tools we have available  - or at least give them a good chance.  That's why
I use DWMX.  I figured I owe it to Macromedia to learn how their tool works.
And it's better in a lot of ways.



Cheers,
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
AFP WebWorks


-Original Message-
From: Rick Root [mailto:rroot@;wakeinternet.com]
Sent: Saturday, 9 November 2002 2:00 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Studio MX

David Adams wrote:
> Everyone I know is still using studio and if in a pinch Homesite MX. In
> our lives we need more simplicity not complexity.

I guess I missed the rest of this thread but I thought I'd chime in with
my opinion.

I don't like Dreamweaver MX.  We have a Site License for it here at
Duke, but I simply don't like it.  I don't like the new explorer layout
that they use.. I much prefer the directories on top and the files down
below.

I'm still using Studio 4.5 and will probably continue to use it after we
upgrade to CFMX in the next few weeks.

  - Rick



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RE: Studio MX

[Adrocknaphobia Jones]

Howard,

I forced myself to switch to Studio MX from Cold Fusion Studio 5 when it
was released. Months later, and a jar full of complaints, I can honestly
say that Dreamweaver MX does not meet the high standards that Studio 5
set.

Dreamweaver is great for designers and n00bs. Like Forta said at devCon,
advanced cold fusion developers are the minority. We can't really expect
MM to develop products only a small percentage of the industry will use.
:( 

It does have some great drag-n-drop features with cold fusion MX, if you
are into that sort of thing. Call me old fashioned, but I ENJOY writing
code.

But alas, I think you'll be disappointed. Definitely check out the trial
before you move your projects over.

Adam Wayne Lehman


-Original Message-
From: Owens, Howard [mailto:HOwens@;insidevc.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 3:49 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Studio MX

I'm trying to decide the best upgrade path ...

Some time in the next year, we'll upgrade our servers to MX, so I will
want
to upgrade my development environment, too.

Currently, I have Studio5 and the dev version of the server for 5.0.  I
also
have UltraDev, but rarely use it. I do all of my coding (and very little
design) in Studio. That's the way I like it.

Should I upgrade to Studio MX?  Will I like it if I love the current
version
of Studio, or does the "homesite" aspect of Studio disappear?  If it
does,
but I get MX anyway, can I retain the install of Studio5 (without any
hassle, such as fussing with the registry), or does MX overwrite/take
over
5?

Should I upgrade to the latest version of HomeSite instead?

I assume there is a demo/single-license version of MX server I can
download.
Would my best option be to just stick with Studio5 and download the MX
server?  If I do this, is there some place I can get VTMs and help files
and
documentation for new tags?

Thanks.

H.


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Re: Studio MX

[Rick Root]

David Adams wrote:
> Everyone I know is still using studio and if in a pinch Homesite MX. In
> our lives we need more simplicity not complexity. 

I guess I missed the rest of this thread but I thought I'd chime in with 
my opinion.

I don't like Dreamweaver MX.  We have a Site License for it here at 
Duke, but I simply don't like it.  I don't like the new explorer layout 
that they use.. I much prefer the directories on top and the files down 
below.

I'm still using Studio 4.5 and will probably continue to use it after we 
upgrade to CFMX in the next few weeks.

  - Rick


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RE: Studio MX

[David Adams]

Everyone I know is still using studio and if in a pinch Homesite MX. In
our lives we need more simplicity not complexity. 

To be fair to Macromedia, the code base for Studio was not in their
strategic direction and therefore very expensive for them to maintain
it.  This probably means that the product will die leaving the developer
to independently build enhancement kludges that will bolt on to their
current Studio versions.

I think the CF development community surprised MacroMedia on how
passionate we are for CF and it turns out that Studio was one of our
"comfort foods" as well.

Dave Adams
CFUG Ottawa

-Original Message-
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC)
[mailto:Neil.Robertson-Ravo@;csd.reedexpo.com] 
Sent: November 8, 2002 5:37 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Studio MX

I certainly wouldnt say integrated... I would say 'replaced' as DWMX

-Original Message-
From: Jason Lees (National Express)
[mailto:Jason.Lees@;NationalExpress.Co.uk]
Sent: 08 November 2002 08:31
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Studio MX


My understanding is that there is no longer a CF Studio, its now fully
integrated with Dreamweaver MX.

Jason Lees
Systems Developer
National Express Coaches Ltd.



-Original Message-
From: Owens, Howard [mailto:HOwens@;insidevc.com]
Sent: 07 November 2002 20:49
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Studio MX


I'm trying to decide the best upgrade path ...

Some time in the next year, we'll upgrade our servers to MX, so I will
want
to upgrade my development environment, too.

Currently, I have Studio5 and the dev version of the server for 5.0.  I
also
have UltraDev, but rarely use it. I do all of my coding (and very little
design) in Studio. That's the way I like it.

Should I upgrade to Studio MX?  Will I like it if I love the current
version
of Studio, or does the "homesite" aspect of Studio disappear?  If it
does,
but I get MX anyway, can I retain the install of Studio5 (without any
hassle, such as fussing with the registry), or does MX overwrite/take
over
5?

Should I upgrade to the latest version of HomeSite instead?

I assume there is a demo/single-license version of MX server I can
download.
Would my best option be to just stick with Studio5 and download the MX
server?  If I do this, is there some place I can get VTMs and help files
and
documentation for new tags?

Thanks.

H.




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RE: Studio MX

[Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC)]

I certainly wouldnt say integrated... I would say 'replaced' as DWMX

-Original Message-
From: Jason Lees (National Express)
[mailto:Jason.Lees@;NationalExpress.Co.uk]
Sent: 08 November 2002 08:31
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Studio MX


My understanding is that there is no longer a CF Studio, its now fully
integrated with Dreamweaver MX.

Jason Lees
Systems Developer
National Express Coaches Ltd.



-Original Message-
From: Owens, Howard [mailto:HOwens@;insidevc.com]
Sent: 07 November 2002 20:49
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Studio MX


I'm trying to decide the best upgrade path ...

Some time in the next year, we'll upgrade our servers to MX, so I will want
to upgrade my development environment, too.

Currently, I have Studio5 and the dev version of the server for 5.0.  I also
have UltraDev, but rarely use it. I do all of my coding (and very little
design) in Studio. That's the way I like it.

Should I upgrade to Studio MX?  Will I like it if I love the current version
of Studio, or does the "homesite" aspect of Studio disappear?  If it does,
but I get MX anyway, can I retain the install of Studio5 (without any
hassle, such as fussing with the registry), or does MX overwrite/take over
5?

Should I upgrade to the latest version of HomeSite instead?

I assume there is a demo/single-license version of MX server I can download.
Would my best option be to just stick with Studio5 and download the MX
server?  If I do this, is there some place I can get VTMs and help files and
documentation for new tags?

Thanks.

H.



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RE: Studio MX

[John Beynon]

You can't actually buy the upgraded CFStudio/Homesite as a separate product.
If you buy Dreamweaver MX, Homesite+ is on the CD which you may install
under the license agreement.

Jb.

-Original Message-
From: Jason Lees (National Express)
[mailto:Jason.Lees@;NationalExpress.Co.uk] 
Sent: 08 November 2002 08:31
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Studio MX

My understanding is that there is no longer a CF Studio, its now fully
integrated with Dreamweaver MX.

Jason Lees
Systems Developer
National Express Coaches Ltd.



-Original Message-
From: Owens, Howard [mailto:HOwens@;insidevc.com]
Sent: 07 November 2002 20:49
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Studio MX


I'm trying to decide the best upgrade path ...

Some time in the next year, we'll upgrade our servers to MX, so I will want
to upgrade my development environment, too.

Currently, I have Studio5 and the dev version of the server for 5.0.  I also
have UltraDev, but rarely use it. I do all of my coding (and very little
design) in Studio. That's the way I like it.

Should I upgrade to Studio MX?  Will I like it if I love the current version
of Studio, or does the "homesite" aspect of Studio disappear?  If it does,
but I get MX anyway, can I retain the install of Studio5 (without any
hassle, such as fussing with the registry), or does MX overwrite/take over
5?

Should I upgrade to the latest version of HomeSite instead?

I assume there is a demo/single-license version of MX server I can download.
Would my best option be to just stick with Studio5 and download the MX
server?  If I do this, is there some place I can get VTMs and help files and
documentation for new tags?

Thanks.

H.



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RE: Studio MX

[Jason Lees (National Express)]

My understanding is that there is no longer a CF Studio, its now fully
integrated with Dreamweaver MX.

Jason Lees
Systems Developer
National Express Coaches Ltd.



-Original Message-
From: Owens, Howard [mailto:HOwens@;insidevc.com]
Sent: 07 November 2002 20:49
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Studio MX


I'm trying to decide the best upgrade path ...

Some time in the next year, we'll upgrade our servers to MX, so I will want
to upgrade my development environment, too.

Currently, I have Studio5 and the dev version of the server for 5.0.  I also
have UltraDev, but rarely use it. I do all of my coding (and very little
design) in Studio. That's the way I like it.

Should I upgrade to Studio MX?  Will I like it if I love the current version
of Studio, or does the "homesite" aspect of Studio disappear?  If it does,
but I get MX anyway, can I retain the install of Studio5 (without any
hassle, such as fussing with the registry), or does MX overwrite/take over
5?

Should I upgrade to the latest version of HomeSite instead?

I assume there is a demo/single-license version of MX server I can download.
Would my best option be to just stick with Studio5 and download the MX
server?  If I do this, is there some place I can get VTMs and help files and
documentation for new tags?

Thanks.

H.


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Studio MX

[Owens, Howard]

I'm trying to decide the best upgrade path ...

Some time in the next year, we'll upgrade our servers to MX, so I will want
to upgrade my development environment, too.

Currently, I have Studio5 and the dev version of the server for 5.0.  I also
have UltraDev, but rarely use it. I do all of my coding (and very little
design) in Studio. That's the way I like it.

Should I upgrade to Studio MX?  Will I like it if I love the current version
of Studio, or does the "homesite" aspect of Studio disappear?  If it does,
but I get MX anyway, can I retain the install of Studio5 (without any
hassle, such as fussing with the registry), or does MX overwrite/take over
5?

Should I upgrade to the latest version of HomeSite instead?

I assume there is a demo/single-license version of MX server I can download.
Would my best option be to just stick with Studio5 and download the MX
server?  If I do this, is there some place I can get VTMs and help files and
documentation for new tags?

Thanks.

H.

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Re: Studio MX

[Bob Haroche]

For software, I usually start with:

www.bigclearance.com
www.buycheapsoftware.com

Don't know what they sell studio for.

Regards,
Bob Haroche
O n P o i n t  S o l u t i o n s
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Re: Studio MX

[Howie Hamlin]

Here's a listing by price:

http://shopper.cnet.com/shopping/resellers/0-4773316-311-9920123-3.html?fl=0&tag=st.sh.4773316-311-9920123.sort.price

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Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 2:37 PM
Subject: Studio MX


> Does anyone know of a good place that has studio MX for a good price?
>  
> TIA
>  
> DDINC
>  
> 
> 
> 
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RE: Studio MX

[Vernon Viehe]

The Macromedia online store has it at competitive prices, and has an upgrade 
eligibility chart, so you can see if you own any qualifying products for the upgrade 
discount:

Store:
http://dynamic.macromedia.com/bin/MM/store/US/home.jsp

Upgrade chart:
http://www.macromedia.com/software/studio/productinfo/upgrade/store.html 

Hope this helps!

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-Original Message-
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To: CF-Talk
Sent: 9/12/2002 11:37 AM
Subject: Studio MX

Does anyone know of a good place that has studio MX for a good price?
 
TIA
 
DDINC
 



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Studio MX

[Double Down]

Does anyone know of a good place that has studio MX for a good price?
 
TIA
 
DDINC
 


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Using CF Studio MX on CF 5.0 Enterprise Server

[Wayne Annis]

Hello,

I have tried searching through archives for information on this, but it's a
hard topic to search for.  Hopefully someone can supply some feedback
regarding this issue.

Here is the situation:
Our web servers were upgraded to CF 5.0 Enterprise shortly before CF MX came
out and my company decided not to purchase the subscription.   Now, we have
a new person joining the team and trying to find a place to buy CF Studio
5.0 (full version) is like searching for the needle in the haystack.

Macromedia says they don't sell it anymore (but it seems like it could be
bought from them, but they don't seem to budge on it).  I have searched
online and keep running into dead ends.

What problems would we have if this person used CF Studio MX with the CF
Enterprise 5.0 (obviously any newer feature won't work, but would they be
compatible at all)?

Does anyone know where a CF Studio 5.0 Full Version can be bought?

BTW, upgrading everything to MX is not an option at this time (and probably
not for quite some time).

Thanks,
Wayne Annis
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Re: Studio MX was Re: homesite+

[Arthur C. Wood]

I've been using fireworks since 4.0.  I love it and have never gone back to
the resource hogging photoshop.


- Original Message -
From: "Bill Wheatley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 1:54 PM
Subject: Studio MX was Re: homesite+


> Yea but some people don't need all that bullcrap!
>
> Though I thought I didn't need it but man I got my copy and
> damn if I don't like fireworks and freehand. One day if MM keeps up the
good
> work they can give
> photosh!t a run for its money.
>
> Bill Wheatley
> Senior Database Developer
> Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer
> EDIETS.COM
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> ICQ 417645
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dave Hannum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 1:43 PM
> Subject: Re: homesite+
>
>
> > It also comes with Studio MX.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Jeffry Houser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 1:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: homesite+
> >
> >
> >   It is only available with Dreamweaver MX.
> >
> > At 01:10 PM 9/3/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> > >where would one get this nifty little creature?
> > >
> > >all I see is homesite 5 references.
> > >
> > >..tony
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jeffry Houser | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Need a Web Developer?  Contact me!
> > AIM: Reboog711  | Phone: 1-203-379-0773
> > --
> > My CFMX Book:
> > <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072225564/instantcoldfu-20>
> > My Books: http://www.instantcoldfusion.com
> > My Band: http://www.farcryfly.com
> >
> >
> >
> 
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Studio MX was Re: homesite+

[Bill Wheatley]

Yea but some people don't need all that bullcrap!

Though I thought I didn't need it but man I got my copy and
damn if I don't like fireworks and freehand. One day if MM keeps up the good
work they can give
photosh!t a run for its money.

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- Original Message -
From: "Dave Hannum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: homesite+


> It also comes with Studio MX.
>
> Dave
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jeffry Houser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 1:19 PM
> Subject: Re: homesite+
>
>
>   It is only available with Dreamweaver MX.
>
> At 01:10 PM 9/3/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> >where would one get this nifty little creature?
> >
> >all I see is homesite 5 references.
> >
> >..tony
>
>
>
> --
> Jeffry Houser | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Need a Web Developer?  Contact me!
> AIM: Reboog711  | Phone: 1-203-379-0773
> --
> My CFMX Book:
> <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072225564/instantcoldfu-20>
> My Books: http://www.instantcoldfusion.com
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>
>
> 
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RE: Studio MX and Homesite - Where is Homesite?

[Matthew R. Small]

Um, duh, you're right. Thank you.

Matthew Small
IT Supervisor
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Murrells Inlet, SC 29576
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 10:54 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Studio MX and Homesite - Where is Homesite?

You should be able to in DWMX, just hit cntrl-f and take a look at your 
options there.

~Todd

On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, Matthew R. Small wrote:

> Hi all,
>   I just bought MX Studio - where is Homesite?  I need to do a
> site-wide find and replace. Can I do it in DWMX?
> 
> Matthew Small
> IT Supervisor

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Re: Studio MX and Homesite - Where is Homesite?

[Sean A Corfield]

On Monday, July 29, 2002, at 07:42 , Matthew R. Small wrote:
>   I just bought MX Studio - where is Homesite?  I need to do a
> site-wide find and replace. Can I do it in DWMX?

Yes, DWMX will do site-wide find and replace.

Note that Dreamweaver MX - part of the Studio MX bundle - contains 
HomeSite+. You can read the FAQs about CF Studio and HomeSite here:

http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusionstudio/productinfo/faq/
http://www.macromedia.com/software/homesite/productinfo/faq/
http://www.macromedia.com/software/homesite/productinfo/faq/dw_hs_faq.html

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Re: Studio MX and Homesite - Where is Homesite?

[Bill Wheatley]

look in the homesite+ directory on the studio MX cd ;)

i had the same issues.

Now you're going to have to download the VTM & HELP files from the web
becuase homesite+ doesnt come with CF HELP *go figure*

if you need those links i can try to dig them up if vern doesnt have them
handy :)

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- Original Message -
From: "Matthew R. Small" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 10:42 AM
Subject: Studio MX and Homesite - Where is Homesite?


> Hi all,
> I just bought MX Studio - where is Homesite?  I need to do a
> site-wide find and replace. Can I do it in DWMX?
>
> Matthew Small
> IT Supervisor
> Showstopper National Dance Competitions
> 3660 Old Kings Hwy
> Murrells Inlet, SC 29576
> 843-357-1847
>
>
>
>
>
> 
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Re: Studio MX and Homesite - Where is Homesite?

[todd]

You should be able to in DWMX, just hit cntrl-f and take a look at your 
options there.

~Todd

On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, Matthew R. Small wrote:

> Hi all,
>   I just bought MX Studio - where is Homesite?  I need to do a
> site-wide find and replace. Can I do it in DWMX?
> 
> Matthew Small
> IT Supervisor

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Studio MX and Homesite - Where is Homesite?

[Matthew R. Small]

Hi all,
I just bought MX Studio - where is Homesite?  I need to do a
site-wide find and replace. Can I do it in DWMX?

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CF MX Pro For Sale or Swap For Studio MX

[Chris Montgomery]

Howdy,

  I have a full commercial version of CF MX Professional edition, SKU
  CPD060D000, that I would like to sell or swap for a copy of
  Macromedia Studio MX, SKU WSW060D000 (for Windows). The CF MX box is
  still shrinkwrapped/unopened. If anyone wants to do a swap, the
  Studio MX box should be unopened too.

  If interested, please message me off-list or call one of the numbers
  in my sig.  Thanks.

-- 
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Re: ColdFusion MX / Studio MX now available!

[Justin Scott]

> With the MX suite of applications, why is it that everything else,
> Dreamweaver MX, Flash MX go into the macromedia folder on the startup
> menu. But CFMX has to have its own folder? Nit picking, yes... But it
> would have made better sense to keep everything together, and not like
> this!

Probably because the other applications you mentioned are client programs
that end-users will be using, so they would go into a normal program
directory.  Since ColdFusion is a server application, it should have its own
directory off the root.  This makes it easier to manage.  Since previous
versions of CF were also off the root, it would probably cause considerable
confusion if they moved it.  If it ain't broke, don't fix it, as they say.

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RE: ColdFusion MX / Studio MX now available!

[Andrew Scott]

I have to ask one stupid question to MM.

With the MX suite of applications, why is it that everything else,
Dreamweaver MX, Flash MX go into the macromedia folder on the startup
menu. But CFMX has to have its own folder? Nit picking, yes... But it
would have made better sense to keep everything together, and not like
this!


-Original Message-
From: Peter Tilbrook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, 3 June 2002 2:39 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ColdFusion MX / Studio MX now available!

How long before we can order the files on CD I wonder :)


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RE: ColdFusion MX / Studio MX now available!

[Peter Tilbrook]

How long before we can order the files on CD I wonder :)

-Original Message-
From: Shawn Grover [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, 30 May 2002 1:15 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ColdFusion MX / Studio MX now available!


And then CFTalk goes deathly quiet as everyone rushes off to download MX...
LOL



-Original Message-
From: Neil Clark - =TMM= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 2:10 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: ColdFusion MX / Studio MX now available!


Macromedia has just announced the availability of ColdFusion MX / Studio
MX!


:-)







Neil Clark
Team Macromedia
http://www.macromedia.com/go/team

Announcing Macromedia MX!!
http://www.macromedia.com/software/trial/.

-Original Message-
From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 29 May 2002 07:13
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Array Question

COM is evil! If you want to have a good middle tier that works with
multiple languages you will need to use Java and/or Corba.

-Matt

> -Original Message-
> From: David Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 11:01 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Array Question
>
> Thanks, I'll check out that site.
>
> Another Question
>
> I am using com objects to return arrays to the CF page. I do most of
my
> coding ASP and the objects work wonderfully. I seem to be running into
a
> lot
> of silly problems when trying to code this way for CF. My objective is
to
> have separation between my database layer and my presentation layer.
So
> that
> if I need to convert the code later to some other language it wont be
a
> problem. Some projects I do require CF, some ASP, and some times
others.
> So
> I want to have good componentized code that I can reuse. How do you
guys
> handle things like this in CF? Do any of you program with COM
regularly? I
> am getting the feeling that it might not be the best idea with CF. Any
> guidance would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jeff Garza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 1:32 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Unstructured info
>
>
> The function UBound(arrayname, 2) returns the greatest value from the
> second
> dimension of the array ArrayName. The closest function in CF to this
is
> ArrayMax(arrayName) but that only returns the greatest value from a
one
> dimensional array.  You'll have to copy the values from second
dimension
> of
> your array to a separate array and then get the ArrayMax of the new
array.
> You might also want to check CFLib.org and see if there is a user
defined
> function that will deal with multi-dimensional arrays.
>
> Jeff
>
> -Original Message-
> From: David Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 10:19 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Unstructured info
>
>
> This may sound like a silly question but I am having a hard time
figuring
> this out.
>
> What is the CF equivalent to the VBScript UBound(arrayName,2)? I have
been
> all through the docs and cant find it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>



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Re: Re[2]: ColdFusion MX / Studio MX now available!

[Massimo, Tiziana e Federica]

Hi Dave,

I understand your good intentions, but you are violating the terms of
Kojak's NDA by posting something like this.

I was used to both MM and Allaire betas and I know it's hard to get used to
MM's rules and NDA for former Allaire's testers, so I just wanted to let you
know

Best


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- Original Message -
From: "Dave Carabetta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Newsgroups: cf-talk
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: Re[2]: ColdFusion MX / Studio MX now available!


> >oi do you say this because you've tried it?!!  It's necessary to ask
these
> >questions since they won't let us see it!!
>
> I had it when I was in the Kojak beta program and was able to download
> Homesite+ separately. I can tell you that there is virtually no difference
> between CF Studio and Homesite+ except that the CF template icon has
changed
> and the new VTMs are included. Period, that's it. If there were fixes made
> under the hood (such as the amount of memory the program uses, etc), I'm
not
> aware of them and didn't notice any sort of performance difference on my
> system, better or worse. But the overall look and feel of Homesite+ is
> identical to CF Studio.
>
> This is why I was pushing for a tag updater (which will be released free
of
> charge soon). Once you have the updater, you have Homesite+.
>
> Regards,
> Dave.
>
>
> 
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RE: ColdFusion MX / Studio MX now available!

[Vernon Viehe]

It's a standalone application, but it's only sold as part of the Dreamweaver MX (Win) 
purchase. It's not available for purchase separately.

> So, is it a separate application altogether or not, and does 
> Macromedia plan
> to merge the two in the next version of Dreamweaver MX?

Gosh, I don't know that I wanna open up that can of worms ;), but here goes, a large 
chunk of CFStudio/HomeSite functionality has already been put in DWMX, and I 
personally would expect to see more in the next version of DWMX.

It's a great time to check out Dreamweaver MX, and enjoy the HomeSite+ that comes with 
it. After you've taken DWMX around the block a few times, let us know what features 
you'd like to see in the next version. Undoubtedly, there will be suggestions to add 
certain features from HomeSite+, and there will be totally new features suggested. We 
want to know what features you want, so let us know: 
http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=6

I hope this info helps!

Vernon Viehe
ColdFusion Community Manager
Developer Relations
Macromedia, Inc.
Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ 

> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew Tyrone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 1:45 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: ColdFusion MX / Studio MX now available!
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 4:33 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: ColdFusion MX / Studio MX now available!
> >
> >
> > No, sorry, I didn't make it clear.
> >
> > HomeSite+ is a HomeSite5 base, the CF IDE functionality of CFS5,
> > and the VTMs (and help, etc) for CFMX.
> >
> > -Vern
> 
> I thought HomeSite+ was going to be a part of Dreamweaver MX, not a
> standalone application.  Isn't that what everyone was 
> complaining about?
> So, is it a separate application altogether or not, and does 
> Macromedia plan
> to merge the two in the next version of Dreamweaver MX?
> 
> --Andy
> 
> 
> 
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RE: ColdFusion MX / Studio MX now available!

[Andrew Tyrone]

> -Original Message-
> From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 4:33 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: ColdFusion MX / Studio MX now available!
>
>
> No, sorry, I didn't make it clear.
>
> HomeSite+ is a HomeSite5 base, the CF IDE functionality of CFS5,
> and the VTMs (and help, etc) for CFMX.
>
> -Vern

I thought HomeSite+ was going to be a part of Dreamweaver MX, not a
standalone application.  Isn't that what everyone was complaining about?
So, is it a separate application altogether or not, and does Macromedia plan
to merge the two in the next version of Dreamweaver MX?

--Andy


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RE: ColdFusion MX / Studio MX now available!

[Vernon Viehe]

No, sorry, I didn't make it clear.

HomeSite+ is a HomeSite5 base, the CF IDE functionality of CFS5, and the VTMs (and 
help, etc) for CFMX.

-Vern

> -Original Message-
> From: Owen Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 11:23 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: ColdFusion MX / Studio MX now available!
> 
> 
> > HomeSite+ is HomeSite5 plus the CF VTMs & help/reference 
> for CF stuff. So,
> if you want to see in general what HomeSite+ will look like, 
> take a look at
> the HomeSite5 trial.
> 
> Does that mean that HomeSite+ lacks advanced tools like the Databases
> resource window, debugging tools, Query Builder, etc?  (We 
> could tell for
> ourselves if we could just get a look at it)
> 
>   -- Owen
> 
> 
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RE: ColdFusion MX / Studio MX now available!

[Mike Chambers]

Broadvision.

We are in the process of transitioning to our own servers.

mike chambers

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> -Original Message-
> From: Ken Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 1:19 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: ColdFusion MX / Studio MX now available!
> 
> 
> > I think that's just high traffic, some requests get
> > through, others don't.
> 
> 
> 
> Hmm, that's comforting. Can you reassure us that this is NOT 
> running CFMX?
> :)
> 
> Ken
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Re[2]: ColdFusion MX / Studio MX now available!

[Dave Carabetta]

>oi do you say this because you've tried it?!!  It's necessary to ask these
>questions since they won't let us see it!!

I had it when I was in the Kojak beta program and was able to download 
Homesite+ separately. I can tell you that there is virtually no difference 
between CF Studio and Homesite+ except that the CF template icon has changed 
and the new VTMs are included. Period, that's it. If there were fixes made 
under the hood (such as the amount of memory the program uses, etc), I'm not 
aware of them and didn't notice any sort of performance difference on my 
system, better or worse. But the overall look and feel of Homesite+ is 
identical to CF Studio.

This is why I was pushing for a tag updater (which will be released free of 
charge soon). Once you have the updater, you have Homesite+.

Regards,
Dave.


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RE: ColdFusion MX / Studio MX now available!

[Ken Wilson]

> HomeSite+ is HomeSite5 plus the CF VTMs & help/reference for CF stuff.
> So, if you want to see in general what HomeSite+ will look like, take
> a look at the HomeSite5 trial.



Did the release version change from what was available with the
DreamweaverMX beta? If not, then Homesite+ is actually a renamed version of
CF Studio 5, not Homesite 5 plus a few CF add-ons.

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Re[4]: ColdFusion MX / Studio MX now available!

[Critz]

oi Owen!!

yeap,I   had   it  installed  during  the  dwmx  beta, and it's identical to
CFStudio  5.0  I [[assume]] there are only minor bug fixes, but there is nothing
different in the appearance of it. Database tabsqlquery builder.


and  still  the  bug when you create a folder via rds it saves you pages to that
folder constantly (dunno if that was fixed for the final.)


-- 
Critz
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Crit[s2k] - 

Thursday, May 30, 2002, 2:56:58 PM, you wrote:

>> oi Owen!!
>>
>> homesite+ is basically your CFStudio 5.1 etc etc

OL> oi do you say this because you've tried it?!!  It's necessary to ask these
OL> questions since they won't let us see it!!

OL> -- Owen

>> OL> Does that mean that HomeSite+ lacks advanced tools like the Databases
>> OL> resource window, debugging tools, Query Builder, etc?  (We could tell
OL> for
>> OL> ourselves if we could just get a look at it)


OL> 
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Re: Re[2]: ColdFusion MX / Studio MX now available!

[Owen Leonard]

> oi Owen!!
>
> homesite+ is basically your CFStudio 5.1 etc etc

oi do you say this because you've tried it?!!  It's necessary to ask these
questions since they won't let us see it!!

-- Owen

> OL> Does that mean that HomeSite+ lacks advanced tools like the Databases
> OL> resource window, debugging tools, Query Builder, etc?  (We could tell
for
> OL> ourselves if we could just get a look at it)


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Re[2]: ColdFusion MX / Studio MX now available!

[Steven A. del Sol]

I think you should check out Dreamweaver MX... I am a die hard CF Studio 
Fan and I got to tell you Dreamweaver MX is my new development tool of 
choice...



At 02:40 PM 5/30/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>oi Owen!!
>
>homesite+ is basically your CFStudio 5.1 etc etc
>
>
>--
>Critz
>Certified Adv. ColdFusion Developer
>
>Crit[s2k] - 
>
>Thursday, May 30, 2002, 2:23:08 PM, you wrote:
>
> >> HomeSite+ is HomeSite5 plus the CF VTMs & help/reference for CF stuff. So,
>OL> if you want to see in general what HomeSite+ will look like, take a 
>look at
>OL> the HomeSite5 trial.
>
>OL> Does that mean that HomeSite+ lacks advanced tools like the Databases
>OL> resource window, debugging tools, Query Builder, etc?  (We could tell for
>OL> ourselves if we could just get a look at it)
>
>OL>   -- Owen
>
>OL>
>
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Re: ColdFusion MX / Studio MX now available!

[Owen Leonard]

> HomeSite+ is HomeSite5 plus the CF VTMs & help/reference for CF stuff. So,
if you want to see in general what HomeSite+ will look like, take a look at
the HomeSite5 trial.

Does that mean that HomeSite+ lacks advanced tools like the Databases
resource window, debugging tools, Query Builder, etc?  (We could tell for
ourselves if we could just get a look at it)

  -- Owen

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Re: ColdFusion MX / Studio MX now available!

[Dave Hannum]

It's JSP pages.

Dave


- Original Message -
From: "Ken Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 1:19 PM
Subject: RE: ColdFusion MX / Studio MX now available!


> I think that's just high traffic, some requests get
> through, others don't.



Hmm, that's comforting. Can you reassure us that this is NOT running CFMX?
:)

Ken




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RE: ColdFusion MX / Studio MX now available!

[Vernon Viehe]

HomeSite+ is not available as a trial, it only comes with the purchase of DWMX Win (or 
Studio MX Win).

HomeSite+ is HomeSite5 plus the CF VTMs & help/reference for CF stuff. So, if you want 
to see in general what HomeSite+ will look like, take a look at the HomeSite5 trial. 

Vernon Viehe
Community Manager
Developer Relations
Macromedia, Inc.
Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ 

> -Original Message-
> From: Frank Mamone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 10:27 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: ColdFusion MX / Studio MX now available!
> 
> 
> That's all great, but since we don't use Dreamweaver and 
> would like to try
> Homesite + to see if it's worth upgrading, how do I evaluate it?
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Vernon Viehe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 12:10 PM
> Subject: RE: ColdFusion MX / Studio MX now available!
> 
> 
> > OK, here's the info on DWMX & HS+:
> >
> > HomeSite+ comes with all purchases of Dreamweaver MX for Windows.
> >
> > It's on the CD, and if you buy online via download, it's 
> included in the
> purchase, but it's a separate download, there is a link for it.
> >
> > HomeSite+ is not in the trial download of Dreamweaver MX.
> >
> > Vernon Viehe
> > Community Manager
> > Developer Relations
> > Macromedia, Inc.
> > Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 3:40 PM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: RE: ColdFusion MX / Studio MX now available!
> > >
> > >
> > > Wanted to mention that I'm here seeing this thread, and
> > > haven't answered yet because I'm still in process of getting
> > > official word on exactly when it is and is not included
> > > (before I pop off with bad info and get killed by bosses and
> > > customers alike!).
> > >
> > > Vernon Viehe
> > > Community Manager
> > > Developer Relations
> > > Macromedia, Inc.
> > > Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Max Paperno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 3:37 PM
> > > > To: CF-Talk
> > > > Subject: RE: ColdFusion MX / Studio MX now available!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >*peers at you all* ... Mine was in with the Studio MX 
> download... ?
> > > >
> > > > *looks perplexed* ... in the eval download? When did 
> you grab it?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > 
> 
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Re: ColdFusion MX / Studio MX now available!

[Frank Mamone]

That's all great, but since we don't use Dreamweaver and would like to try
Homesite + to see if it's worth upgrading, how do I evaluate it?


- Original Message -
From: "Vernon Viehe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 12:10 PM
Subject: RE: ColdFusion MX / Studio MX now available!


> OK, here's the info on DWMX & HS+:
>
> HomeSite+ comes with all purchases of Dreamweaver MX for Windows.
>
> It's on the CD, and if you buy online via download, it's included in the
purchase, but it's a separate download, there is a link for it.
>
> HomeSite+ is not in the trial download of Dreamweaver MX.
>
> Vernon Viehe
> Community Manager
> Developer Relations
> Macromedia, Inc.
> Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 3:40 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: ColdFusion MX / Studio MX now available!
> >
> >
> > Wanted to mention that I'm here seeing this thread, and
> > haven't answered yet because I'm still in process of getting
> > official word on exactly when it is and is not included
> > (before I pop off with bad info and get killed by bosses and
> > customers alike!).
> >
> > Vernon Viehe
> > Community Manager
> > Developer Relations
> > Macromedia, Inc.
> > Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Max Paperno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 3:37 PM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: RE: ColdFusion MX / Studio MX now available!
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >*peers at you all* ... Mine was in with the Studio MX download... ?
> > >
> > > *looks perplexed* ... in the eval download? When did you grab it?
> > >
> > >
> >
> 
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RE: ColdFusion MX / Studio MX now available!

[Ken Wilson]

> I think that's just high traffic, some requests get
> through, others don't.



Hmm, that's comforting. Can you reassure us that this is NOT running CFMX?
:)

Ken



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Re: ColdFusion MX / Studio MX now available!

[Dave Hannum]

I talked to Customer Service and they said it's a problem they're looking
into.  Although she didn't say specifically, I got the impression from her
that nobody was getting through.

Thanks for checking into it.
Dave

- Original Message -
From: "Vernon Viehe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 12:50 PM
Subject: RE: ColdFusion MX / Studio MX now available!


I think that's just high traffic, some requests get through, others don't.
I'll double check on that for you though.

-Vern

> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Hannum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 9:29 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: ColdFusion MX / Studio MX now available!
>
>
> Vernon,
>
> Problem is, the link to retrieve your subscription upgrades is down.
>
> http://dynamic.macromedia.com/bin/MM/software/reg/register.jsp
> ?subs=true
>
> You get a message that says: System Unavilable We apologize for the
> inconvenience, the system is currently unavailable.
>
> So you cannot get your subscription upgrade now.  It's been
> like that since
> yesterday afternoon when the email came out.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Vernon Viehe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 12:07 PM
> Subject: RE: ColdFusion MX / Studio MX now available!
>
>
> Here's the deal on subscriptions:
>
> CF server subscription: CFMX is available for immediate download.
>
> If you are registered with a current/valid subscritpion
> serial number, you
> should have received an e-mail with instructions outlining
> how to d/l CFMX.
> The e-mail contains a link and some instructions. When you go
> to d/l CFMX as
> part of your subscription, you'll have an option for
> requesting a backup CD
> and documentation at no charge.
>
> If you have a current/valid subscription and did not receive
> this e-mail,
> first, be sure you're registered at:
> http://dynamic.macromedia.com/bin/MM/software/reg/register.jsp
>
> Once registered, that will trigger the e-mail to you (not
> sure how long it
> would take, but I would guess within a day or two).
>
> If you find that you're already registered with your CF
> Server Subscription
> number, and have not gotten this e-mail, please contact
> Customer Service,
> and they'll get you squared away. Keep in mind, we're swamped due to
> overwhelming response, but subscription issues do get a
> higher priority from
> Customer Service. To contact Customer Service about
> subscriptions, use this
> link:
> http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/cscontact?6171=13
>
>
> CFStudio Subscription:
>
> Same process as above, but there are a few kinks we're
> currently working
> out. I anticipate this should all be resolved in the next day or so.
>
> 1.) The letter that went out erroneously instructed to use
> the CF Server
> serial number at the supplied link, but you should use CFStudio serial
> number.
>
> 2.) Currently, there's a couple glitches in the online subscription
> fulfilment mechanism. Most importantly, the system is
> presenting the wrong
> bits for d/l (CFServer instead of DWMX & Homesite+) Also,
> sometimes the
> Studio serial number you're asked to enter isn't correctly recognized.
>
> Once these issues are resolved and you can successfully fulfill your
> subscription online, you'll also be given the option to
> receive a backup CD
> and documentation at no charge.
>
> These issues should be resolved shortly, so try again in a
> day or two. If
> you're still having trouble getting DWMX & HS+ as part of
> your CFStudio
> subscription, contact Customer Service and they'll quickly help:
> http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/cscontact?6171=13
>
> I hope this helps!
>
> Vernon Viehe
> Community Manager
> Developer Relations
> Macromedia, Inc.
> Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jon Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 12:07 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: ColdFusion MX / Studio MX now available!
> >
> >
> > When do subscription holders get our cd's?
> >
> >
>
>

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