Terrorism
Our thoughts and our prayers are with the victims and the rescue workers in this tragedy. Also for our armed forces who will certainly become involved. Macromedia and I sincerely hope that everyone in our community and their loved ones are safe. I have checked on the Macromedia people that I know are nearby and they seem to be OK and for that at least I am thankful. Today might be a good time to spend with your families and loved ones. _ Matt Brown Community Manager Macromedia (650) 481-4525 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Register now for Macromedia DevCon 2001! Visit for more information and to register http://www.macromedia.com/go/devcon. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
God rest their souls. - SVV -Original Message- From: Matt Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:48 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Terrorism Our thoughts and our prayers are with the victims and the rescue workers in this tragedy. Also for our armed forces who will certainly become involved. Macromedia and I sincerely hope that everyone in our community and their loved ones are safe. I have checked on the Macromedia people that I know are nearby and they seem to be OK and for that at least I am thankful. Today might be a good time to spend with your families and loved ones. ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
Amen - Original Message - From: "Scott Van Vliet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:41 AM Subject: RE: Terrorism > God rest their souls. > > - SVV > > -Original Message- > From: Matt Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:48 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Terrorism > > Our thoughts and our prayers are with the victims and the rescue workers > in > this tragedy. Also for our armed forces who will certainly become > involved. > > Macromedia and I sincerely hope that everyone in our community and their > > loved ones are safe. > > I have checked on the Macromedia people that I know are nearby and they > seem to be OK and for that at least I am thankful. > > Today might be a good time to spend with your families and loved ones. > ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
God help the maniac cowards that are the cause of this. All I would say to them at this point is.. "Good luck." - Lee > -Original Message- > From: Scott Van Vliet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:42 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > God rest their souls. > > - SVV > > -Original Message- > From: Matt Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:48 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Terrorism > > Our thoughts and our prayers are with the victims and the > rescue workers in > this tragedy. Also for our armed forces who will certainly > become involved. > > Macromedia and I sincerely hope that everyone in our > community and their > > loved ones are safe. > > I have checked on the Macromedia people that I know are > nearby and they > seem to be OK and for that at least I am thankful. > > Today might be a good time to spend with your families and > loved ones. ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
Amen we all believe in same god. - Original Message - From: "admin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 7:48 PM Subject: Re: Terrorism > Amen > - Original Message - > From: "Scott Van Vliet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:41 AM > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > > God rest their souls. > > > > - SVV > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Matt Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:48 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Terrorism > > > > Our thoughts and our prayers are with the victims and the rescue workers > > in > > this tragedy. Also for our armed forces who will certainly become > > involved. > > > > Macromedia and I sincerely hope that everyone in our community and their > > > > loved ones are safe. > > > > I have checked on the Macromedia people that I know are nearby and they > > seem to be OK and for that at least I am thankful. > > > > Today might be a good time to spend with your families and loved ones. > > > ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
Anyone seen the reports that the Palestinians are dancing in the streets and passing out candy? John At 10:52 AM 9/11/01 -0700, you wrote: >God help the maniac cowards that are the cause of this. > >All I would say to them at this point is.. "Good luck." > > - Lee > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Scott Van Vliet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:42 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > > > > God rest their souls. > > > > - SVV > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Matt Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:48 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Terrorism > > > > Our thoughts and our prayers are with the victims and the > > rescue workers in > > this tragedy. Also for our armed forces who will certainly > > become involved. > > > > Macromedia and I sincerely hope that everyone in our > > community and their > > > > loved ones are safe. > > > > I have checked on the Macromedia people that I know are > > nearby and they > > seem to be OK and for that at least I am thankful. > > > > Today might be a good time to spend with your families and > > loved ones. > ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
Yup...disgusting. The US has some seriously negative sentiment towards it abroad. I was at a client's office earlier, two employees of which are military. One of them was on the phone with a woman whose husband works at the Pentagon (also military) who said that supposedly the plane downed in Pittsburgh was shot down by US forces. THAT'S scary...could be just rumor, but based on the source, I think not. There's been nothing said on the news yet, but I did hear a few minutes ago Peter Jennings say that it's suspected that that plane was targetting the White House. This truly is a modern day Pearl Harbor. God rest the souls of the victims of the heinous act. Kevin Langevin Web Guy in Charge UsWebGuys 954-327-5780 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: John Paitel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:56 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > Anyone seen the reports that the Palestinians are dancing in the streets > and passing out candy? > > John > > > At 10:52 AM 9/11/01 -0700, you wrote: > >God help the maniac cowards that are the cause of this. > > > >All I would say to them at this point is.. "Good luck." > > > > - Lee > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Scott Van Vliet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:42 AM > > > To: CF-Talk > > > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > > > > > > > God rest their souls. > > > > > > - SVV > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Matt Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:48 AM > > > To: CF-Talk > > > Subject: Terrorism > > > > > > Our thoughts and our prayers are with the victims and the > > > rescue workers in > > > this tragedy. Also for our armed forces who will certainly > > > become involved. > > > > > > Macromedia and I sincerely hope that everyone in our > > > community and their > > > > > > loved ones are safe. > > > > > > I have checked on the Macromedia people that I know are > > > nearby and they > > > seem to be OK and for that at least I am thankful. > > > > > > Today might be a good time to spend with your families and > > > loved ones. > > > ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
Yes, saw that. The perception of American due in part to Israel are less than optimal. Not that we wouldn't be joking if the Palestinian state disolved. don't let the emotions get the best of you. the sun will come up tomorrow. we will find out who is responsible. people want coverage. [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] [connecting people, places and things] -Original Message- From: John Paitel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:56:10 -0700 Subject: RE: Terrorism > Anyone seen the reports that the Palestinians are dancing in the > streets > and passing out candy? > > John > > > At 10:52 AM 9/11/01 -0700, you wrote: > >God help the maniac cowards that are the cause of this. > > > >All I would say to them at this point is.. "Good luck." > > > > - Lee > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Scott Van Vliet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:42 AM > > > To: CF-Talk > > > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > > > > > > > God rest their souls. > > > > > > - SVV > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Matt Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:48 AM > > > To: CF-Talk > > > Subject: Terrorism > > > > > > Our thoughts and our prayers are with the victims and the > > > rescue workers in > > > this tragedy. Also for our armed forces who will certainly > > > become involved. > > > > > > Macromedia and I sincerely hope that everyone in our > > > community and their > > > > > > loved ones are safe. > > > > > > I have checked on the Macromedia people that I know are > > > nearby and they > > > seem to be OK and for that at least I am thankful. > > > > > > Today might be a good time to spend with your families and > > > loved ones. > > > ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
> Anyone seen the reports that the Palestinians are dancing in the streets > and passing out candy? What purpose do comments like this serve? "the Palestinians" Nice generalization of a group of people. I work in an office with palestinian co-workers and I can assure you that they are shocked and dismayed about this tragedy. Congrats on fanning the flames. That's exactly what people need right now... ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
Palestinians dancing in the streets? Yes, very sick. but remember, to them, we are terrorists too =) >From: "Kevin Langevin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: Terrorism >Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:07:20 -0400 > >Yup...disgusting. The US has some seriously negative sentiment towards it >abroad. > >I was at a client's office earlier, two employees of which are military. >One of them was on the phone with a woman whose husband works at the >Pentagon (also military) who said that supposedly the plane downed in >Pittsburgh was shot down by US forces. THAT'S scary...could be just rumor, >but based on the source, I think not. There's been nothing said on the >news >yet, but I did hear a few minutes ago Peter Jennings say that it's >suspected >that that plane was targetting the White House. > >This truly is a modern day Pearl Harbor. God rest the souls of the victims >of the heinous act. > >Kevin Langevin >Web Guy in Charge >UsWebGuys >954-327-5780 >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -Original Message----- > > From: John Paitel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:56 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > > > > Anyone seen the reports that the Palestinians are dancing in the streets > > and passing out candy? > > > > John > > > > > > At 10:52 AM 9/11/01 -0700, you wrote: > > >God help the maniac cowards that are the cause of this. > > > > > >All I would say to them at this point is.. "Good luck." > > > > > > - Lee > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Scott Van Vliet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:42 AM > > > > To: CF-Talk > > > > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > > > > > > > > > > God rest their souls. > > > > > > > > - SVV > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Matt Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:48 AM > > > > To: CF-Talk > > > > Subject: Terrorism > > > > > > > > Our thoughts and our prayers are with the victims and the > > > > rescue workers in > > > > this tragedy. Also for our armed forces who will certainly > > > > become involved. > > > > > > > > Macromedia and I sincerely hope that everyone in our > > > > community and their > > > > > > > > loved ones are safe. > > > > > > > > I have checked on the Macromedia people that I know are > > > > nearby and they > > > > seem to be OK and for that at least I am thankful. > > > > > > > > Today might be a good time to spend with your families and > > > > loved ones. > > > > > > ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
Easily manipulated masses of uneducated sheep, who's leaders will lead them to slaughter. Do not forget that the 'Palestinian' people, and I use that phrase loosely, do not have the advantages of a democratic government. I do not blame them, I blame the leadership or lack of. But lets not make this forum politically charged. -alex -Original Message- From: John Paitel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Terrorism Anyone seen the reports that the Palestinians are dancing in the streets and passing out candy? John At 10:52 AM 9/11/01 -0700, you wrote: >God help the maniac cowards that are the cause of this. > >All I would say to them at this point is.. "Good luck." > > - Lee > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Scott Van Vliet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:42 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > > > > God rest their souls. > > > > - SVV > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Matt Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:48 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Terrorism > > > > Our thoughts and our prayers are with the victims and the rescue > > workers in this tragedy. Also for our armed forces who will > > certainly become involved. > > > > Macromedia and I sincerely hope that everyone in our community and > > their > > > > loved ones are safe. > > > > I have checked on the Macromedia people that I know are nearby and > > they seem to be OK and for that at least I am thankful. > > > > Today might be a good time to spend with your families and loved > > ones. > ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
If the Pittsburgh area plane was intended for the white house they picked a good place to put it down... FEMA is one site and was there quick... there is a very big hole in the ground and people said the plane did a 45 degree dive... so could have happened... unlikely though.. doubt the government wants to claim if so that they killed 300 of their citizens. I would love to know how many terrorists there were on each plane. People need to understand that in an airplane you are screwed if there is a problem. Your odds of dying in a crash as a result are far greater than dying due to violence. we are accountable as well for these incidents. Certainly someone or a larger group of people were not actively doing their jobs. [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] [connecting people, places and things] -Original Message- From: "Kevin Langevin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:07:20 -0400 Subject: RE: Terrorism > Yup...disgusting. The US has some seriously negative sentiment > towards it > abroad. > > I was at a client's office earlier, two employees of which are > military. > One of them was on the phone with a woman whose husband works at the > Pentagon (also military) who said that supposedly the plane downed in > Pittsburgh was shot down by US forces. THAT'S scary...could be just > rumor, > but based on the source, I think not. There's been nothing said on > the news > yet, but I did hear a few minutes ago Peter Jennings say that it's > suspected > that that plane was targetting the White House. > > This truly is a modern day Pearl Harbor. God rest the souls of the > victims > of the heinous act. > > Kevin Langevin > Web Guy in Charge > UsWebGuys > 954-327-5780 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -Original Message- > > From: John Paitel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:56 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > > > > Anyone seen the reports that the Palestinians are dancing in the > streets > > and passing out candy? > > > > John > > > > > > At 10:52 AM 9/11/01 -0700, you wrote: > > >God help the maniac cowards that are the cause of this. > > > > > >All I would say to them at this point is.. "Good luck." > > > > > > - Lee > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Scott Van Vliet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:42 AM > > > > To: CF-Talk > > > > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > > > > > > > > > > God rest their souls. > > > > > > > > - SVV > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Matt Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:48 AM > > > > To: CF-Talk > > > > Subject: Terrorism > > > > > > > > Our thoughts and our prayers are with the victims and the > > > > rescue workers in > > > > this tragedy. Also for our armed forces who will certainly > > > > become involved. > > > > > > > > Macromedia and I sincerely hope that everyone in our > > > > community and their > > > > > > > > loved ones are safe. > > > > > > > > I have checked on the Macromedia people that I know are > > > > nearby and they > > > > seem to be OK and for that at least I am thankful. > > > > > > > > Today might be a good time to spend with your families and > > > > loved ones. > > > > > > ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
come on, anyone with a brain and have been following news in the middle east knows who we are talking about. picky picky >From: "Noel Flatters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: Terrorism >Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:10:55 -0400 > > > Anyone seen the reports that the Palestinians are dancing in the streets > > and passing out candy? > >What purpose do comments like this serve? "the Palestinians" Nice >generalization of a group of people. I work in an office with palestinian >co-workers and I can assure you that they are shocked and dismayed about >this tragedy. > >Congrats on fanning the flames. That's exactly what people need right >now... > ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
>What purpose do comments like this serve? "the Palestinians" Nice >generalization of a group of people. I work in an office with palestinian >co-workers and I can assure you that they are shocked and dismayed about >this tragedy. Hey, sorry if you take offense. The direct quotes from CNN, MSNBC and others were "Palestinians are in the streets, dancing and shouting 'God is good', in celebration over the attacks on the US today. Women are throwing candy in the air, giving it to passerby. Men are leading children in celebratory chants and dances." I realize that not all Palestinians feel this way, and that a lot of it is the perception of the US in relation to the Gaza strip and the perception that we intercede on the behalf of the Israelis. I guess I should have better said "Groups of Palestinians"? John ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
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Re: Terrorism
Oh I see NOEL ... Our country ... AMERICA gets its ass blown to shit today . 1,000's of lives are wasted and you wanna get hung up on political correctness? Its the panzy ass political correctness bullshit like your drivel below that has gotten our country into its slack ass state of disrepair and de-sensitization. This is still AMERICA [God Bless It], and if some american wants to go off on a generalization tangent TODAY about Palastinians [i dont freakin care how its spelled today - blow it out your asses] - who are reveling at our tragedy - So Be it. Last I looked . Americans werent throwing a parade when a bunch of civilians and women, children got wasted. Last I checked US didnt waste anyone without warning or especially declaring WAR on their sorry hides. Generalize this .. SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE! You were right about one thing - Way to fan the flames... It is EXACTLY what this country needs a long time ago - How much more of this shit are we going to take from these POS's before something meaningful to end it happens. They will never be happy till we're all DEAD ... dying some heinous, tortuous death. Nothing the US can ever do will change their minds. So who gives a shit about the people responsible's "feelings". Wonder what you'd be saying if your mom, sister or brother dad etc were on one of those planes or in those buildings? Steve Aylor - Original Message - From: "Noel Flatters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:10 AM Subject: RE: Terrorism > > Anyone seen the reports that the Palestinians are dancing in the streets > > and passing out candy? > > What purpose do comments like this serve? "the Palestinians" Nice > generalization of a group of people. I work in an office with palestinian > co-workers and I can assure you that they are shocked and dismayed about > this tragedy. > > Congrats on fanning the flames. That's exactly what people need right now... > ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
I suppose you're not fanning anything? - Original Message - From: "Noel Flatters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:10 PM Subject: RE: Terrorism > > Anyone seen the reports that the Palestinians are dancing in the streets > > and passing out candy? > > What purpose do comments like this serve? "the Palestinians" Nice > generalization of a group of people. I work in an office with palestinian > co-workers and I can assure you that they are shocked and dismayed about > this tragedy. > > Congrats on fanning the flames. That's exactly what people need right now... > ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
I would hope the US would shoot down a plane if it had terrorists on board. No offense, but those people would be dead anyways. I'm not going to voice my political views, but I do believe that to sacrifice 100 or so lives to save many thousands is a price I personally am willing to make. -Original Message- From: Paris Lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Terrorism If the Pittsburgh area plane was intended for the white house they picked a good place to put it down... FEMA is one site and was there quick... there is a very big hole in the ground and people said the plane did a 45 degree dive... so could have happened... unlikely though.. doubt the government wants to claim if so that they killed 300 of their citizens. I would love to know how many terrorists there were on each plane. People need to understand that in an airplane you are screwed if there is a problem. Your odds of dying in a crash as a result are far greater than dying due to violence. we are accountable as well for these incidents. Certainly someone or a larger group of people were not actively doing their jobs. [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] [connecting people, places and things] -Original Message- From: "Kevin Langevin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:07:20 -0400 Subject: RE: Terrorism > Yup...disgusting. The US has some seriously negative sentiment > towards it > abroad. > > I was at a client's office earlier, two employees of which are > military. > One of them was on the phone with a woman whose husband works at the > Pentagon (also military) who said that supposedly the plane downed in > Pittsburgh was shot down by US forces. THAT'S scary...could be just > rumor, > but based on the source, I think not. There's been nothing said on > the news > yet, but I did hear a few minutes ago Peter Jennings say that it's > suspected > that that plane was targetting the White House. > > This truly is a modern day Pearl Harbor. God rest the souls of the > victims > of the heinous act. > > Kevin Langevin > Web Guy in Charge > UsWebGuys > 954-327-5780 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -Original Message- > > From: John Paitel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:56 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > > > > Anyone seen the reports that the Palestinians are dancing in the > streets > > and passing out candy? > > > > John > > > > > > At 10:52 AM 9/11/01 -0700, you wrote: > > >God help the maniac cowards that are the cause of this. > > > > > >All I would say to them at this point is.. "Good luck." > > > > > > - Lee > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Scott Van Vliet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:42 AM > > > > To: CF-Talk > > > > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > > > > > > > > > > God rest their souls. > > > > > > > > - SVV > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Matt Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 8:48 AM > > > > To: CF-Talk > > > > Subject: Terrorism > > > > > > > > Our thoughts and our prayers are with the victims and the > > > > rescue workers in > > > > this tragedy. Also for our armed forces who will certainly > > > > become involved. > > > > > > > > Macromedia and I sincerely hope that everyone in our > > > > community and their > > > > > > > > loved ones are safe. > > > > > > > > I have checked on the Macromedia people that I know are > > > > nearby and they > > > > seem to be OK and for that at least I am thankful. > > > > > > > > Today might be a good time to spend with your families and > > > > loved ones. > > > > > > ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
No, you said it right. Some people need to realize what is happeneing in the world and think before they comment (not you John). -Original Message- From: John Paitel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:26 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Terrorism >What purpose do comments like this serve? "the Palestinians" Nice >generalization of a group of people. I work in an office with palestinian >co-workers and I can assure you that they are shocked and dismayed about >this tragedy. Hey, sorry if you take offense. The direct quotes from CNN, MSNBC and others were "Palestinians are in the streets, dancing and shouting 'God is good', in celebration over the attacks on the US today. Women are throwing candy in the air, giving it to passerby. Men are leading children in celebratory chants and dances." I realize that not all Palestinians feel this way, and that a lot of it is the perception of the US in relation to the Gaza strip and the perception that we intercede on the behalf of the Israelis. I guess I should have better said "Groups of Palestinians"? John ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
> Certainly someone or a larger group of > people were not actively doing their jobs. I'm certainly comforted to know someone here on the CF-Talk list knows how to stop a kamikaze terrorist with a death wish in control of an airliner. Have you passed your advice along to the Feds yet? :) Ken ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
i feel, as we all do, about todays happenings and wanted to keep quite but have to ask..., what is that supposed to mean? "Neil Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 09/11/2001 01:24:18 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: Subject: RE: Terrorism I think "God" was one of the main reasons why things like this happen ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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For sure, and I know that's what you meant. It just that I look around at some of my co-workers and see them worrying about becoming targets of unthinking retaliation, and I get worried about people making sweeping statements over the next hours/days that could help create an atmosphere of vigilantilism. Sorry if that email came across harsher than it was meant to be. Stressfull times all over... In response to Koo Pai Lao, yes it sounds "picky, picky". But "anyone with a brain" should realise that retaliation/vigilantism isn't such a far-fetched idea in times like this, and it's important to not target groups of people who aren't individually responsible. That being said, I'll definetly try to practice what I preach and think before I make harsh responses in difficult times. > -Original Message- > From: John Paitel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:26 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > >What purpose do comments like this serve? "the Palestinians" Nice > >generalization of a group of people. I work in an office with palestinian > >co-workers and I can assure you that they are shocked and dismayed about > >this tragedy. > > Hey, sorry if you take offense. The direct quotes from CNN, MSNBC and > others were "Palestinians are in the streets, dancing and > shouting 'God is > good', in celebration over the attacks on the US today. Women are > throwing > candy in the air, giving it to passerby. Men are leading children in > celebratory chants and dances." > > I realize that not all Palestinians feel this way, and that a lot > of it is > the perception of the US in relation to the Gaza strip and the perception > that we intercede on the behalf of the Israelis. I guess I should have > better said "Groups of Palestinians"? > > John > ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
This was a terrible tragedy and we should not lose site of that. We should not be jumping the gun to blame anyone. The poster was simply saying what a group of people were doing. He could have easily have posted a different news report. Please do not attack each other over this. Whoever is responsible will be found and we will nail their remains to the rubble of the twin towers. ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
WTG...Bravo...I concur -Original Message- From: Steve Aylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:32 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Terrorism Oh I see NOEL ... Our country ... AMERICA gets its ass blown to shit today . 1,000's of lives are wasted and you wanna get hung up on political correctness? Its the panzy ass political correctness bullshit like your drivel below that has gotten our country into its slack ass state of disrepair and de-sensitization. This is still AMERICA [God Bless It], and if some american wants to go off on a generalization tangent TODAY about Palastinians [i dont freakin care how its spelled today - blow it out your asses] - who are reveling at our tragedy - So Be it. Last I looked . Americans werent throwing a parade when a bunch of civilians and women, children got wasted. Last I checked US didnt waste anyone without warning or especially declaring WAR on their sorry hides. Generalize this .. SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE! You were right about one thing - Way to fan the flames... It is EXACTLY what this country needs a long time ago - How much more of this shit are we going to take from these POS's before something meaningful to end it happens. They will never be happy till we're all DEAD ... dying some heinous, tortuous death. Nothing the US can ever do will change their minds. So who gives a shit about the people responsible's "feelings". Wonder what you'd be saying if your mom, sister or brother dad etc were on one of those planes or in those buildings? Steve Aylor - Original Message - From: "Noel Flatters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:10 AM Subject: RE: Terrorism > > Anyone seen the reports that the Palestinians are dancing in the streets > > and passing out candy? > > What purpose do comments like this serve? "the Palestinians" Nice > generalization of a group of people. I work in an office with palestinian > co-workers and I can assure you that they are shocked and dismayed about > this tragedy. > > Congrats on fanning the flames. That's exactly what people need right now... > ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
Stop this now, please. dont let it get out of hand contemplate exactly what has happened. People have opinions, and unfortunately we have to accept them no matter what. ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
What alot of people on other lists that I belong are saying is that our belief in God and our faith in an unseeable bieng is ludicrus and is whats causing all this pain. I do not agree with this, but people can believe what they want. -- Original Message -- from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:47:16 -0500 i feel, as we all do, about todays happenings and wanted to keep quite but have to ask..., what is that supposed to mean? "Neil Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 09/11/2001 01:24:18 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: Subject: RE: Terrorism I think "God" was one of the main reasons why things like this happen ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
Yes in part Brian I agree. The question though the military/intelligence/feds need to answer in such situations is what are the targets, what is in the proximity... what is the likelihood of a destructive landing... can negotiations occur... these are human lives Brian... humans. It seems clearly disturbing that no one tried to overcome the hijackers on the plane. Clearly everyone knows the risk of dying in a crash. Obviously, Americans aren't so aware that some people are on a mission and the situation calls for whatever necessary. Really great that someone managed in the Pittsburgh area crash to call 911 on their cellphone.. unbelieveable isn't it... only because of that do we know the aircraft was hijacked... Civilians need better trained and to step up in these times of needs... Big kudos and thanks to all the emergency workers who have perished in rescuing other citiziens and the common people going beyond their call today. Sure puts a lump in your stomach and a fist in your hand. -paris [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] [connecting people, places and things] -Original Message- From: "Yager, Brian T Contractor/NCCIM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:41:50 -0500 Subject: RE: Terrorism > I would hope the US would shoot down a plane if it had terrorists on > board. No > offense, but those people would be dead anyways. I'm not going to > voice my > political views, but I do believe that to sacrifice 100 or so lives > to save many > thousands is a price I personally am willing to make. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Paris Lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:18 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > If the Pittsburgh area plane was intended for the white house they > picked a good place to put it down... > > FEMA is one site and was there quick... there is a very big hole in > the > ground and people said the plane did a 45 degree dive... so could > have > happened... unlikely though.. > > doubt the government wants to claim if so that they killed 300 of > their > citizens. > > I would love to know how many terrorists there were on each plane. > People need to understand that in an airplane you are screwed if > there > is a problem. Your odds of dying in a crash as a result are far > greater > than dying due to violence. > > we are accountable as well for these incidents. Certainly someone or > a > larger group of people were not actively doing their jobs. > > [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] > [connecting people, places and things] > > > -Original Message- > From: "Kevin Langevin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:07:20 -0400 > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > Yup...disgusting. The US has some seriously negative sentiment > > towards it > > abroad. > > > > I was at a client's office earlier, two employees of which are > > military. > > One of them was on the phone with a woman whose husband works at > the > > Pentagon (also military) who said that supposedly the plane downed > in > > Pittsburgh was shot down by US forces. THAT'S scary...could be > just > > rumor, > > but based on the source, I think not. There's been nothing said on > > the news > > yet, but I did hear a few minutes ago Peter Jennings say that it's > > suspected > > that that plane was targetting the White House. > > > > This truly is a modern day Pearl Harbor. God rest the souls of the > > victims > > of the heinous act. > > > > Kevin Langevin > > Web Guy in Charge > > UsWebGuys > > 954-327-5780 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: John Paitel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:56 PM > > > To: CF-Talk > > > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > > > > > > > Anyone seen the reports that the Palestinians are dancing in the > > streets > > > and passing out candy? > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > At 10:52 AM 9/11/01 -0700, you wrote: > > > >God help the maniac cowards that are the cause of this. > > > > > > > >All I would say to them at this point is.. "Good luck." > > > > > > > > - Lee > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > > From: Scott Van Vliet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > >
Re: Terrorism
right ... and I just voiced mine! Fed Up, Steve Aylor - Original Message - From: "Neil Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:01 PM Subject: RE: Terrorism > Stop this now, please. dont let it get out of hand contemplate exactly > what has happened. People have opinions, and unfortunately we have to > accept them no matter what. > > > > ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
right on.. We can't say hey you are a Muslim or a Jew or White or Christian. These generalized groups aren't the problem. Specific fundamentalist sects are the problem... Hey we haven't identified who did it yet.. so the invisible chicken asses, no matter white, red, blue, green, hindu, slovak, russian, japanese or South Dakotan need to take note: you can't blow people up. you can't hijack stuff. you can't hide. you will be apprehended. In all of this, realize the enemies are here as well as elsewhere. You are sitting among racists and vigilanty types. As commoners, as citizens we need to think about the unity factor. Screw last week, last year, 400 hundred years ago. We are here today. we have an issue, we have mechanisms and systems. lets see them do their job... the intelligence community and terrorism arms need to really get with it... obviously no one thought about a second plane .. and yeah how about tomorrow... and strategically, how about ground level terrorism now... how about electric grid infrastucture, highways, tunnels, etc. sure everyone now is thinking.. hours too late... proactive not reactive. [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] [connecting people, places and things] -Original Message- From: "Noel Flatters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:49:23 -0400 Subject: RE: Terrorism > For sure, and I know that's what you meant. It just that I look > around at > some of my co-workers and see them worrying about becoming targets of > unthinking retaliation, and I get worried about people making > sweeping > statements over the next hours/days that could help create an > atmosphere of > vigilantilism. Sorry if that email came across harsher than it was > meant to > be. Stressfull times all over... > > In response to Koo Pai Lao, yes it sounds "picky, picky". But "anyone > with a > brain" should realise that retaliation/vigilantism isn't such a > far-fetched > idea in times like this, and it's important to not target groups of > people > who aren't individually responsible. That being said, I'll definetly > try to > practice what I preach and think before I make harsh responses in > difficult > times. > > > -Original Message- > > From: John Paitel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:26 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > > > > >What purpose do comments like this serve? "the Palestinians" > Nice > > >generalization of a group of people. I work in an office with > palestinian > > >co-workers and I can assure you that they are shocked and dismayed > about > > >this tragedy. > > > > Hey, sorry if you take offense. The direct quotes from CNN, MSNBC > and > > others were "Palestinians are in the streets, dancing and > > shouting 'God is > > good', in celebration over the attacks on the US today. Women are > > throwing > > candy in the air, giving it to passerby. Men are leading children > in > > celebratory chants and dances." > > > > I realize that not all Palestinians feel this way, and that a lot > > of it is > > the perception of the US in relation to the Gaza strip and the > perception > > that we intercede on the behalf of the Israelis. I guess I should > have > > better said "Groups of Palestinians"? > > > > John > > > ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
No I don't. I don't have to accept anything from anybody. I feel sorry for people who feel that they have to accept other peoples opinions. I believe in standing up for myself and what I believe in and not kow towing to other people. that's weak - Original Message - From: "Neil Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:01 PM Subject: RE: Terrorism > Stop this now, please. dont let it get out of hand contemplate exactly > what has happened. People have opinions, and unfortunately we have to > accept them no matter what. > > > > ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
I believe the larger ongoing conflicts are religion based. so to close with god and religion references is a bad omen of sorts... is it this god or mine and what do you know about god sort of conflict... the neutral genderless equal thing or PC for those types out there would be to identify that we wish everyone safety of self and family in this tie of conflict or loss. we should encourage people through our ethics and morality as opposed to the religious approach... I know it sounds dumb. I sat with a large group of about 300 young minded people just last night talking about Ethics... and yes indeed, those with Ethics tended to draw it from religious doctrine and speak in religious terms... It certainly drew lines in the sand... Me aethiest to a fault, sitting with a Catholic priest, next to a Jewish friend. Learn to be selfless I said. To listen.. To be slow to move.. Sometime wrong, but humbled to admit error and pay the dues. agree to disagree. draw lines on issues when needed.. Make borders to insulate and preserve the purity, if needed. I will post the Yahoo message thread URL... over 7k messages, mostly of hatred and faceless cowardess in response. Let's not become like that. I hope dearly, racism and vigilantism doesn't rear its ugly head. May all of us of the AMerican mind set no matter what doctrine or skin color live together in peace. [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] [connecting people, places and things] -Original Message- From: "Clint Tredway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:10:59 -0400 Subject: RE: Terrorism > What alot of people on other lists that I belong are saying is that > our belief in God and our faith in an unseeable bieng is ludicrus and > is whats causing all this pain. > > I do not agree with this, but people can believe what they want. > > -- Original Message -- > from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:47:16 -0500 > > i feel, as we all do, about todays happenings and wanted to keep > quite but > have to ask..., > > what is that supposed to mean? > > > > > "Neil Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 09/11/2001 01:24:18 PM > > Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > cc: > > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > I think "God" was one of the main reasons why things like this > happen > ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
No I haven't :) but it appears we have 4 airliners laying in pieces.. it seems Boston had a big hole to allow a good mass of evil doers through :( It also appears that FBI was investigating prior to the incidents... it also seems that communication to the airlines was somewhat lacking.. it also appears that no one calculated the next hit to the towers.. Heck, how many other people were sitting on other planes who were to do the same thing if something went afoul. We are chasing ghosts now. We have human parts so small they are likely unidentifiable. Clearly, accountability in these times is lacking. [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] [connecting people, places and things] -Original Message- From: "Ken Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:46:45 -0400 Subject: RE: Terrorism > > Certainly someone or a larger group of > > people were not actively doing their jobs. > > > I'm certainly comforted to know someone here on the CF-Talk list > knows how > to stop a kamikaze terrorist with a death wish in control of an > airliner. > Have you passed your advice along to the Feds yet? :) > > Ken > > ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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My heart go out to any of those in this community ... or everyone who have loved ones involved in this tragedy. Let's take a short moment of silence in honor of the victims of this horrific event. Bill In a message dated 9/11/01 3:31:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Big kudos and thanks to all the emergency workers who have perished in > rescuing other citiziens and the common people going beyond their call > today. > > Sure puts a lump in your stomach and a fist in your hand. > > -paris > ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
>Learn to be selfless I said. Are you kidding? It's selfless zealots who commit these acts. These people who have absolutely no value for their own lives or families, and give up all for the sake of the 'cause'. Self-interest is what keeps us safe. -Original Message- From: Paris Lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:41 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Terrorism I believe the larger ongoing conflicts are religion based. so to close with god and religion references is a bad omen of sorts... is it this god or mine and what do you know about god sort of conflict... the neutral genderless equal thing or PC for those types out there would be to identify that we wish everyone safety of self and family in this tie of conflict or loss. we should encourage people through our ethics and morality as opposed to the religious approach... I know it sounds dumb. I sat with a large group of about 300 young minded people just last night talking about Ethics... and yes indeed, those with Ethics tended to draw it from religious doctrine and speak in religious terms... It certainly drew lines in the sand... Me aethiest to a fault, sitting with a Catholic priest, next to a Jewish friend. Learn to be selfless I said. To listen.. To be slow to move.. Sometime wrong, but humbled to admit error and pay the dues. agree to disagree. draw lines on issues when needed.. Make borders to insulate and preserve the purity, if needed. I will post the Yahoo message thread URL... over 7k messages, mostly of hatred and faceless cowardess in response. Let's not become like that. I hope dearly, racism and vigilantism doesn't rear its ugly head. May all of us of the AMerican mind set no matter what doctrine or skin color live together in peace. [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] [connecting people, places and things] -Original Message- From: "Clint Tredway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:10:59 -0400 Subject: RE: Terrorism > What alot of people on other lists that I belong are saying is that > our belief in God and our faith in an unseeable bieng is ludicrus and > is whats causing all this pain. > > I do not agree with this, but people can believe what they want. > > -- Original Message -- > from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:47:16 -0500 > > i feel, as we all do, about todays happenings and wanted to keep > quite but > have to ask..., > > what is that supposed to mean? > > > > > "Neil Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 09/11/2001 01:24:18 PM > > Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > cc: > > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > I think "God" was one of the main reasons why things like this > happen > ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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Nnnn, individual interpretation of God's word is one of the main reasons why things like this happen. Rey... - Original Message - From: "Neil Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:24 PM Subject: RE: Terrorism > I think "God" was one of the main reasons why things like this happen > > ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
I beleive he means this looks to be the work of religious zealots. Hence the reference to God being at the root of this. If you look throughout history you will see that more atrocities have been perpetrated in the name of God than for any other reason. Frederic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > i feel, as we all do, about todays happenings and wanted to keep quite but > have to ask..., > > what is that supposed to mean? > > "Neil Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 09/11/2001 01:24:18 PM > > Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > cc: > > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > I think "God" was one of the main reasons why things like this happen > ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
And what is 'god's word but a written interpretation in the first place? Did 'God' write all that himself? Or did Men just like you and I write it all down, and Interpreted what they were seeing and hearing? -Gel -Original Message- From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Nnnn, individual interpretation of God's word is one of the main reasons why things like this happen. Rey... ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
At 04:02 PM 09/11/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Nnnn, individual interpretation of God's word is one of the main reasons >why things like this happen. Or what is perceived as God's word, rather. -- Jeffry Houser | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: Reboog711 | ICQ: 5246969 | Fax / Phone: 860-223-7946 -- I'm looking for a room-mate in the Hartford CT area, starting in September -- http://www.instantcoldfusion.com | My Book: Instant ColdFusion 5.0 -- My Band: Far Cry Fly, Alternative Folk Rock http://www.farcryfly.com | http://www.mp3.com/FarCryFly -- My company: DotComIt, LLC database driven web data using ColdFusion -- I tried all my tricks, I tried to steal a kiss... ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
that being sadii don't think God would tell you to kill peoplei believe it's one of his comandments >From: "Angel Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: Terrorism >Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:11:19 -0500 > >And what is 'god's word but a written interpretation in the first place? > >Did 'God' write all that himself? Or did Men just like you and I write it >all down, and Interpreted what they were seeing and hearing? > >-Gel > > >-Original Message- >From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > >Nnnn, individual interpretation of God's word is one of the main >reasons >why things like this happen. > >Rey... > ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
Agreed. One point that I heard on a radio streamcast is that there is a large segment of the Middle Eastern (And other) populations that refer to America as the "Great Satan". To these people, the fact that you live in the US would make you a Satanist. This means that they regard us as an ultimate enemy in the service of the ultimate evil, and thus, killing us is a sanctioned act in the eyes of their God. Not sure I completely agree with that, but a lot of it makes sense. While the average American regards religion as something they do, a lot of Mideast people regard religion as their guiding force in life. Something to remember... John At 04:35 PM 9/11/01 -0400, Freddy wrote: >I beleive he means this looks to be the work of religious zealots. Hence the >reference to God being at the root of this. If you look throughout history you >will see that more atrocities have been perpetrated in the name of God than >for any other reason. > > Frederic > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > i feel, as we all do, about todays happenings and wanted to keep quite but > > have to ask..., > > > > what is that supposed to mean? > > > > "Neil Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 09/11/2001 01:24:18 PM > > > > Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > cc: > > > > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > > I think "God" was one of the main reasons why things like this happen > > > ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
Truly think about this. If even a few people on those planes could have been carrying a gun, none of this would have happened today. Yes, something would happen sometime, but not this today! The wrong thinking has directed the politically correct policies of this country for too long. The innocent are suffering because of misguided logic. Justice, in this instance today, should be swift and sure! Freedom - Original Message - From: "Paris Lundis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:23 PM Subject: RE: Terrorism > Yes in part Brian I agree. > > The question though the military/intelligence/feds need to answer in > such situations is what are the targets, what is in the proximity... > what is the likelihood of a destructive landing... can negotiations > occur... these are human lives Brian... humans. > > It seems clearly disturbing that no one tried to overcome the hijackers > on the plane. Clearly everyone knows the risk of dying in a crash. > Obviously, Americans aren't so aware that some people are on a mission > and the situation calls for whatever necessary. Really great that > someone managed in the Pittsburgh area crash to call 911 on their > cellphone.. unbelieveable isn't it... only because of that do we know > the aircraft was hijacked... > > Civilians need better trained and to step up in these times of needs... > > Big kudos and thanks to all the emergency workers who have perished in > rescuing other citiziens and the common people going beyond their call > today. > > Sure puts a lump in your stomach and a fist in your hand. > > -paris > > [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] > [connecting people, places and things] > > > -Original Message- > From: "Yager, Brian T Contractor/NCCIM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:41:50 -0500 > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > I would hope the US would shoot down a plane if it had terrorists on > > board. No > > offense, but those people would be dead anyways. I'm not going to > > voice my > > political views, but I do believe that to sacrifice 100 or so lives > > to save many > > thousands is a price I personally am willing to make. > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Paris Lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:18 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > > > > If the Pittsburgh area plane was intended for the white house they > > picked a good place to put it down... > > > > FEMA is one site and was there quick... there is a very big hole in > > the > > ground and people said the plane did a 45 degree dive... so could > > have > > happened... unlikely though.. > > > > doubt the government wants to claim if so that they killed 300 of > > their > > citizens. > > > > I would love to know how many terrorists there were on each plane. > > People need to understand that in an airplane you are screwed if > > there > > is a problem. Your odds of dying in a crash as a result are far > > greater > > than dying due to violence. > > > > we are accountable as well for these incidents. Certainly someone or > > a > > larger group of people were not actively doing their jobs. > > > > [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] > > [connecting people, places and things] > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: "Kevin Langevin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:07:20 -0400 > > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > > > Yup...disgusting. The US has some seriously negative sentiment > > > towards it > > > abroad. > > > > > > I was at a client's office earlier, two employees of which are > > > military. > > > One of them was on the phone with a woman whose husband works at > > the > > > Pentagon (also military) who said that supposedly the plane downed > > in > > > Pittsburgh was shot down by US forces. THAT'S scary...could be > > just > > > rumor, > > > but based on the source, I think not. There's been nothing said on > > > the news > > > yet, but I did hear a few minutes ago Peter Jennings say that it's > > > suspected > > > that that plane was targetting the White House. > > > > > > This truly is a modern day Pearl Harbor. God rest the souls of the > > > victims >
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> If you look > throughout history you > will see that more atrocities have been perpetrated in the > name of God than > for any other reason. Who coined this statement? It's been used, almost verbatim, so many times that it has to have some source. I'm really baffled by it. Did someone count up the body counts of Vietnam, Stalingrad, Pearl Harbor, the US Civil War, the French Revolution, Alexander the Great's casualties, etc etc etc etc and find a common religious theme? What about atrocities that predated monotheism? polytheism? tribal religions? It seems to be a self defeating argument. If religion is an opiate, then atheism is the truth. But then how the heck do you introduce morals into the picture? I mean, how do you define 'atrocity'? Atheism after all boils down to 'shit happens.' ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
What? not that I am a big gun control guy here. But if people were allowed to take guns on planes then this would happen everyday. At 04:30 PM 9/11/2001 -0400, Freedom wrote: >Truly think about this. If even a few people on those planes could have >been carrying a gun, none of this would have happened today. Yes, something >would happen sometime, but not this today! The wrong thinking has directed >the politically correct policies of this country for too long. The innocent >are suffering because of misguided logic. > >Justice, in this instance today, should be swift and sure! > >Freedom > > > >- Original Message - >From: "Paris Lundis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:23 PM >Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > > Yes in part Brian I agree. > > > > The question though the military/intelligence/feds need to answer in > > such situations is what are the targets, what is in the proximity... > > what is the likelihood of a destructive landing... can negotiations > > occur... these are human lives Brian... humans. > > > > It seems clearly disturbing that no one tried to overcome the hijackers > > on the plane. Clearly everyone knows the risk of dying in a crash. > > Obviously, Americans aren't so aware that some people are on a mission > > and the situation calls for whatever necessary. Really great that > > someone managed in the Pittsburgh area crash to call 911 on their > > cellphone.. unbelieveable isn't it... only because of that do we know > > the aircraft was hijacked... > > > > Civilians need better trained and to step up in these times of needs... > > > > Big kudos and thanks to all the emergency workers who have perished in > > rescuing other citiziens and the common people going beyond their call > > today. > > > > Sure puts a lump in your stomach and a fist in your hand. > > > > -paris > > > > [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] > > [connecting people, places and things] > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: "Yager, Brian T Contractor/NCCIM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:41:50 -0500 > > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > > > I would hope the US would shoot down a plane if it had terrorists on > > > board. No > > > offense, but those people would be dead anyways. I'm not going to > > > voice my > > > political views, but I do believe that to sacrifice 100 or so lives > > > to save many > > > thousands is a price I personally am willing to make. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Paris Lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:18 PM > > > To: CF-Talk > > > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > > > > > > > If the Pittsburgh area plane was intended for the white house they > > > picked a good place to put it down... > > > > > > FEMA is one site and was there quick... there is a very big hole in > > > the > > > ground and people said the plane did a 45 degree dive... so could > > > have > > > happened... unlikely though.. > > > > > > doubt the government wants to claim if so that they killed 300 of > > > their > > > citizens. > > > > > > I would love to know how many terrorists there were on each plane. > > > People need to understand that in an airplane you are screwed if > > > there > > > is a problem. Your odds of dying in a crash as a result are far > > > greater > > > than dying due to violence. > > > > > > we are accountable as well for these incidents. Certainly someone or > > > a > > > larger group of people were not actively doing their jobs. > > > > > > [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] > > > [connecting people, places and things] > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: "Kevin Langevin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:07:20 -0400 > > > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > > > > > Yup...disgusting. The US has some seriously negative sentiment > > > > towards it > > > > abroad. > > > > > > > > I was at a client's office earlier, two employees of which are > > > > military. > > > > One of them was
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I agree 1000% ... An armed public is a good thing. Responsible civilians with firearms and trainging to use them with needed will twart most incidents and have been proven to reduce the likelihood of crime... Afterall, do you think anyone wants to mess with a gun, obviously 255+ people on those planes didn't. People on planes are sitting ducks. [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] [connecting people, places and things] -Original Message- From: "Freedom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:30:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Terrorism > Truly think about this. If even a few people on those planes could > have > been carrying a gun, none of this would have happened today. Yes, > something > would happen sometime, but not this today! The wrong thinking has > directed > the politically correct policies of this country for too long. The > innocent > are suffering because of misguided logic. > > Justice, in this instance today, should be swift and sure! > > Freedom > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Paris Lundis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:23 PM > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > > Yes in part Brian I agree. > > > > The question though the military/intelligence/feds need to answer > in > > such situations is what are the targets, what is in the > proximity... > > what is the likelihood of a destructive landing... can negotiations > > occur... these are human lives Brian... humans. > > > > It seems clearly disturbing that no one tried to overcome the > hijackers > > on the plane. Clearly everyone knows the risk of dying in a crash. > > Obviously, Americans aren't so aware that some people are on a > mission > > and the situation calls for whatever necessary. Really great that > > someone managed in the Pittsburgh area crash to call 911 on their > > cellphone.. unbelieveable isn't it... only because of that do we > know > > the aircraft was hijacked... > > > > Civilians need better trained and to step up in these times of > needs... > > > > Big kudos and thanks to all the emergency workers who have perished > in > > rescuing other citiziens and the common people going beyond their > call > > today. > > > > Sure puts a lump in your stomach and a fist in your hand. > > > > -paris > > > > [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] > > [connecting people, places and things] > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: "Yager, Brian T Contractor/NCCIM" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:41:50 -0500 > > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > > > I would hope the US would shoot down a plane if it had terrorists > on > > > board. No > > > offense, but those people would be dead anyways. I'm not going > to > > > voice my > > > political views, but I do believe that to sacrifice 100 or so > lives > > > to save many > > > thousands is a price I personally am willing to make. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Paris Lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:18 PM > > > To: CF-Talk > > > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > > > > > > > If the Pittsburgh area plane was intended for the white house > they > > > picked a good place to put it down... > > > > > > FEMA is one site and was there quick... there is a very big hole > in > > > the > > > ground and people said the plane did a 45 degree dive... so could > > > have > > > happened... unlikely though.. > > > > > > doubt the government wants to claim if so that they killed 300 of > > > their > > > citizens. > > > > > > I would love to know how many terrorists there were on each > plane. > > > People need to understand that in an airplane you are screwed if > > > there > > > is a problem. Your odds of dying in a crash as a result are far > > > greater > > > than dying due to violence. > > > > > > we are accountable as well for these incidents. Certainly someone > or > > > a > > > larger group of people were not actively doing their jobs. > > > > > > [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the > present] > > > [connecting people, places and things] > >
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*snicker* HAHAHAHAAHHA! Carry a gun onboard an airplane to 'protect' it..HAHAHAH Oh that is soo ludicrous. You think the terrorists used guns to hijack the plane huh? Why? Because you've seen it on movies so many times before? hahahaha! What do you need to do to 'Hijack' a plane? Get to the Pilots and take over the controls, or threaten the pilots with their lives. In this case I suspect that the terrorists themselves would have been flying the aircraft. Secondly, take care of the flight crew, and instill enough fear in the passengers that all 100+ of them would not try to retake the aircraft. Are guns the only way to do that? Nuh uh. And what happens when a well meaning citizen/stewardess uses a conventional firearm on an aircraft and accidentally shoots the captain, shoots out a window,or blows an engine? I'm afraid I can understand why all efforts are made to prevent firearams and other dagnerous devices and chemicals from being on board the aircraft in the FIRST place. You going to trust someone on the aircraft with an authorised gun who wasn't a federal agent or something like that? On EVERY plane? Wow..you must have LOTS of faith in the average civilian. No buddy, that would just mean BEFORE the plane is hijacked there will be a gun/other battle that might bring the plane down anyway.How many hijackings result in all hands lost? But you made me laugh..thanks 'Freedom'... At least you have the 'Freedom' to post misguided stuff under a pseudonym. -Angel Stewart -Original Message- From: Freedom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Truly think about this. If even a few people on those planes could have been carrying a gun, none of this would have happened today. Yes, something would happen sometime, but not this today! The wrong thinking has directed the politically correct policies of this country for too long. The innocent are suffering because of misguided logic. Justice, in this instance today, should be swift and sure! Freedom ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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>> Not sure I completely agree with that, but a lot of it makes sense, Let me tell, how this tragedy looks from Turkey, Most of the people here belive that this happened to USA, because new government could not keep the balance like clinton did. It's because that you supported Israel more than you should and ignored others more than you should not. Israel is also killing innocent people, for what? Is it really different from what happened to you today or what happened to Bosna - Sarajevo years ago? I don't think so. People here believe that USA must be the BALANCE, not WEIGHTS of it. No matter it's in the name of whatever. I'm not an American Fan, but I know what civilization is. I can't think of my father working at the twin towers today or my brother just crossing the street. I'm so sad :( - Original Message - From: "John Paitel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:22 PM Subject: Re: Terrorism > Agreed. One point that I heard on a radio streamcast is that there is a > large segment of the Middle Eastern (And other) populations that refer to > America as the "Great Satan". To these people, the fact that you live in > the US would make you a Satanist. This means that they regard us as an > ultimate enemy in the service of the ultimate evil, and thus, killing us is > a sanctioned act in the eyes of their God. > > Not sure I completely agree with that, but a lot of it makes sense. While > the average American regards religion as something they do, a lot of > Mideast people regard religion as their guiding force in life. Something to > remember... > > John > > > > At 04:35 PM 9/11/01 -0400, Freddy wrote: > >I beleive he means this looks to be the work of religious zealots. Hence the > >reference to God being at the root of this. If you look throughout history you > >will see that more atrocities have been perpetrated in the name of God than > >for any other reason. > > > > Frederic > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > i feel, as we all do, about todays happenings and wanted to keep quite but > > > have to ask..., > > > > > > what is that supposed to mean? > > > > > > "Neil Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 09/11/2001 01:24:18 PM > > > > > > Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > cc: > > > > > > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > > > > I think "God" was one of the main reasons why things like this happen > > > > > > ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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I only hope my co-workers brother and family and everyone else who worked with me who each had someone involved in this in NYC or in DC and i can only hope and pray they turn up alive. But one person was in the Tower early so hopefully they made it out. With all the hate and anger, I just hope we can not do anything stupid and just find the people who did this and repay them. I am very angry now too Bill Wheatley Director of Development Certified Master ColdFusion 5 Developer AEPS INC Allaire ColdFusion Consulting Partner www.aeps.com www.aeps2000.com 954-472-6684 X303 ICQ: 417645 - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:46 PM Subject: Re: Terrorism > My heart go out to any of those in this community ... or everyone who have > loved ones involved in this tragedy. > > Let's take a short moment of silence in honor of the victims of this horrific > event. > > Bill > > > In a message dated 9/11/01 3:31:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > Big kudos and thanks to all the emergency workers who have perished in > > rescuing other citiziens and the common people going beyond their call > > today. > > > > Sure puts a lump in your stomach and a fist in your hand. > > > > -paris > > > > > > ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
>Truly think about this. If even a few people on those planes could have >been carrying a gun, none of this would have happened today. Yes, something >would happen sometime, but not this today! The wrong thinking has directed >the politically correct policies of this country for too long. The innocent >are suffering because of misguided logic. > >Justice, in this instance today, should be swift and sure! > >Freedom Ah, I was wondering when the gun crowd would check in. Lets take a look...incidents lately of "air rage" and "road rage" are on a sharp upturn. Now, give one of those "air rage" people a Glock 9mm semi-automatic. If I recall correctly (There are a few different Glock models), with one model you can carry 18 rounds (17 in a full magazine plus one already loaded in the barrel). Yahoo #1 gets mad because the peanuts aren't salted, goes berserk and shoots about 4 people, punctures the aircraft causing depressurization, etc etc etc. I have an idea, maybe we should station one to three marksmen with silenced pistols and hydroshock (fragmenting) bullets on every single flight. You make a "hijack" statement, you get shot. Period. Yeah, that's much better. While I have my own opinions on weapons, what should and should not be allowed, etc., an aircraft in the air is no place for Joe Public to have a weapon. John ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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> Carry a gun onboard an airplane to 'protect' it..HAHAHAH > Oh that is soo ludicrous. You think the terrorists used guns to hijack the > plane huh? > Why? Because you've seen it on movies so many times before? > hahahaha! Man, you're clueless . . . - Original Message - From: "Angel Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 4:48 PM Subject: RE: Terrorism > *snicker* > > HAHAHAHAAHHA! > > Carry a gun onboard an airplane to 'protect' it..HAHAHAH > Oh that is soo ludicrous. You think the terrorists used guns to hijack the > plane huh? > Why? Because you've seen it on movies so many times before? > hahahaha! > > What do you need to do to 'Hijack' a plane? Get to the Pilots and take over > the controls, or threaten the pilots with their lives. In this case I > suspect that the terrorists themselves would have been flying the aircraft. > Secondly, take care of the flight crew, and instill enough fear in the > passengers that all 100+ of them would not try to retake the aircraft. Are > guns the only way to do that? Nuh uh. > > And what happens when a well meaning citizen/stewardess uses a conventional > firearm on an aircraft and accidentally shoots the captain, shoots out a > window,or blows an engine? > > I'm afraid I can understand why all efforts are made to prevent firearams > and other dagnerous devices and chemicals from being on board the aircraft > in the FIRST place. You going to trust someone on the aircraft with an > authorised gun who wasn't a federal agent or something like that? On EVERY > plane? Wow..you must have LOTS of faith in the average civilian. > > No buddy, that would just mean BEFORE the plane is hijacked there will be a > gun/other battle that might bring the plane down anyway.How many hijackings > result in all hands lost? > > But you made me laugh..thanks 'Freedom'... > > At least you have the 'Freedom' to post misguided stuff under a pseudonym. > > -Angel Stewart > > > > -Original Message- > From: Freedom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Truly think about this. If even a few people on those planes could have > been carrying a gun, none of this would have happened today. Yes, something > would happen sometime, but not this today! The wrong thinking has directed > the politically correct policies of this country for too long. The innocent > are suffering because of misguided logic. > > Justice, in this instance today, should be swift and sure! > > Freedom > ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
Paris Lundis wrote: > I agree 1000% ... An armed public is a good thing. Responsible > civilians with firearms and trainging to use them with needed will > twart most incidents and have been proven to reduce the likelihood of > crime... I wouldn't directly call suicidal terrorists 'responsible people', yet they would be able to get firearms on those planes as well. > Afterall, do you think anyone wants to mess with a gun, obviously 255+ > people on those planes didn't. Fire your gun at a few windows and see how many people survive the decompression. Of course you get shot very fast after that, but I didn't see any last mminute parachutes on the CNN footage either today. > People on planes are sitting ducks. True. IMHO introducing more firearms in airplanes is not unlike Mutual Assured Destruction. However, when the concept of MAD was used during the Cold War people sitting close to the red button were required to undergo psychological testing. Introducing the concept of MAD in an airplane without having people undergo psychological testing is MADness. Jochem ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
But the new administration has cut arms sales to Israel, they have condemned the Israeli attacks on Palestine. While the US has always said it will protect Israel, it will also help to protect many other nations. Some because the US has large interests in being allied with those nations: oil, money, tourism, protection. A horrible act has been committed by a yet unknown force, a force who may never be truly known, and a reason that may never be understood. Some see it as an act of terrorism, others see it as an act of war, I see it as both. Over the last 300 years Americans have shown that they are not afraid to give their lives to protect others. This is the second attack on US soil from an outside group. We saw what happened after the first. Though I do not expect the use nuclear weapons here I would not be totally surprised if they were. In the coming months we will see how this plays out. Officials from around the world have quickly stood up and said that they do not agree with this type of attack. Even governments that hate the US have said that this is not the way to go about it. People have said that at last something has been done that will make the Americans see. That this type of attack speaks the US language. Well it does speak the US language, but the US has had a common and violent response to attacks. The removal of the people who committed and orchestrated them. >Let me tell, how this tragedy looks from Turkey, > >Most of the people here belive that this happened to USA, because new >government could not keep the balance like clinton did. It's because that >you supported Israel more than you should and ignored others more than you >should not. Israel is also killing innocent people, for what? Is it really >different from what happened to you today or what happened to Bosna - >Sarajevo years ago? I don't think so. > >People here believe that USA must be the BALANCE, not WEIGHTS of it. No >matter it's in the name of whatever. > >I'm not an American Fan, but I know what civilization is. I can't think of >my father working at the twin towers today or my brother just crossing the >street. I'm so sad :( > > >- Original Message - >From: "John Paitel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:22 PM >Subject: Re: Terrorism > > > > Agreed. One point that I heard on a radio streamcast is that there is a > > large segment of the Middle Eastern (And other) populations that refer to > > America as the "Great Satan". To these people, the fact that you live in > > the US would make you a Satanist. This means that they regard us as an > > ultimate enemy in the service of the ultimate evil, and thus, killing us >is > > a sanctioned act in the eyes of their God. > > > > Not sure I completely agree with that, but a lot of it makes sense. While > > the average American regards religion as something they do, a lot of > > Mideast people regard religion as their guiding force in life. Something >to > > remember... > > > > John > > > > > > > > At 04:35 PM 9/11/01 -0400, Freddy wrote: > > >I beleive he means this looks to be the work of religious zealots. Hence >the > > >reference to God being at the root of this. If you look throughout >history you > > >will see that more atrocities have been perpetrated in the name of God >than > > >for any other reason. > > > > > > Frederic > > > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > i feel, as we all do, about todays happenings and wanted to keep quite >but > > > > have to ask..., > > > > > > > > what is that supposed to mean? > > > > > > > > "Neil Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 09/11/2001 01:24:18 PM > > > > > > > > Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > cc: > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > > > > > > I think "God" was one of the main reasons why things like this >happen > > > > > > > > > > ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
>While I have my own opinions on weapons, what should and should not be >allowed, etc., an aircraft in the air is no place for Joe Public to have a >weapon. One terrorist gunman vs. 10-12 passengers with guns. What happens? Not good. But a whole lot better than what happened today! If the terrorists know that other passengers will be armed, they don't even try what happened today! Freedom - Original Message - From: "John Paitel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 5:10 PM Subject: Re: Terrorism > >Truly think about this. If even a few people on those planes could have > >been carrying a gun, none of this would have happened today. Yes, something > >would happen sometime, but not this today! The wrong thinking has directed > >the politically correct policies of this country for too long. The innocent > >are suffering because of misguided logic. > > > >Justice, in this instance today, should be swift and sure! > > > >Freedom > > Ah, I was wondering when the gun crowd would check in. > > Lets take a look...incidents lately of "air rage" and "road rage" are on a > sharp upturn. Now, give one of those "air rage" people a Glock 9mm > semi-automatic. If I recall correctly (There are a few different Glock > models), with one model you can carry 18 rounds (17 in a full magazine plus > one already loaded in the barrel). Yahoo #1 gets mad because the peanuts > aren't salted, goes berserk and shoots about 4 people, punctures the > aircraft causing depressurization, etc etc etc. > > I have an idea, maybe we should station one to three marksmen with silenced > pistols and hydroshock (fragmenting) bullets on every single flight. You > make a "hijack" statement, you get shot. Period. Yeah, that's much better. > > While I have my own opinions on weapons, what should and should not be > allowed, etc., an aircraft in the air is no place for Joe Public to have a > weapon. > > John > ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
Right. Like people don't get mugged. Stores don't get robbed. Wow. The NRA has really brainwashed you. -Original Message- From: Freedom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:34 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Terrorism >While I have my own opinions on weapons, what should and should not be >allowed, etc., an aircraft in the air is no place for Joe Public to >have a weapon. One terrorist gunman vs. 10-12 passengers with guns. What happens? Not good. But a whole lot better than what happened today! If the terrorists know that other passengers will be armed, they don't even try what happened today! Freedom - Original Message - From: "John Paitel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 5:10 PM Subject: Re: Terrorism > >Truly think about this. If even a few people on those planes could > >have been carrying a gun, none of this would have happened today. > >Yes, something > >would happen sometime, but not this today! The wrong thinking has directed > >the politically correct policies of this country for too long. The innocent > >are suffering because of misguided logic. > > > >Justice, in this instance today, should be swift and sure! > > > >Freedom > > Ah, I was wondering when the gun crowd would check in. > > Lets take a look...incidents lately of "air rage" and "road rage" are > on a sharp upturn. Now, give one of those "air rage" people a Glock > 9mm semi-automatic. If I recall correctly (There are a few different > Glock models), with one model you can carry 18 rounds (17 in a full > magazine plus > one already loaded in the barrel). Yahoo #1 gets mad because the > peanuts aren't salted, goes berserk and shoots about 4 people, > punctures the aircraft causing depressurization, etc etc etc. > > I have an idea, maybe we should station one to three marksmen with silenced > pistols and hydroshock (fragmenting) bullets on every single flight. > You make a "hijack" statement, you get shot. Period. Yeah, that's much > better. > > While I have my own opinions on weapons, what should and should not be > allowed, etc., an aircraft in the air is no place for Joe Public to > have a weapon. > > John > ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
OMG - you sound like Archie Bunker... - Original Message - From: "Freedom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 5:33 PM Subject: Re: Terrorism > >While I have my own opinions on weapons, what should and should not be > >allowed, etc., an aircraft in the air is no place for Joe Public to have a > >weapon. > > One terrorist gunman vs. 10-12 passengers with guns. What happens? Not > good. But a whole lot better than what happened today! If the terrorists > know that other passengers will be armed, they don't even try what happened > today! > > Freedom > ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
This is NOT a place to have a discussion on firearms folks. We all have our opinions, and you're entitled to them. But can you please take them to the appropriate place for such discussions? Today's events were a tragedy, to be sure. Hindsight is also 20-20. But this is not the forum for this issue. Please folks, take it somewhere else? Thanks... Lee > -Original Message- > From: Costas Piliotis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:40 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > Right. Like people don't get mugged. Stores don't get > robbed. Wow. The NRA has really brainwashed you. > > -Original Message- > From: Freedom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:34 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Terrorism > > > >While I have my own opinions on weapons, what should and > should not be > >allowed, etc., an aircraft in the air is no place for Joe Public to > >have a weapon. > > One terrorist gunman vs. 10-12 passengers with guns. What > happens? Not good. But a whole lot better than what > happened today! If the terrorists know that other passengers > will be armed, they don't even try what happened today! > > Freedom > > > - Original Message - > From: "John Paitel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 5:10 PM > Subject: Re: Terrorism > > > > >Truly think about this. If even a few people on those planes could > > >have been carrying a gun, none of this would have happened today. > > >Yes, > something > > >would happen sometime, but not this today! The wrong thinking has > directed > > >the politically correct policies of this country for too long. The > innocent > > >are suffering because of misguided logic. > > > > > >Justice, in this instance today, should be swift and sure! > > > > > >Freedom > > > > Ah, I was wondering when the gun crowd would check in. > > > > Lets take a look...incidents lately of "air rage" and "road > rage" are > > on a sharp upturn. Now, give one of those "air rage" people a Glock > > 9mm semi-automatic. If I recall correctly (There are a few > different > > Glock models), with one model you can carry 18 rounds (17 in a full > > magazine > plus > > one already loaded in the barrel). Yahoo #1 gets mad because the > > peanuts aren't salted, goes berserk and shoots about 4 people, > > punctures the aircraft causing depressurization, etc etc etc. > > > > I have an idea, maybe we should station one to three marksmen with > silenced > > pistols and hydroshock (fragmenting) bullets on every single flight. > > You make a "hijack" statement, you get shot. Period. Yeah, > that's much > > better. > > > > While I have my own opinions on weapons, what should and > should not be > > allowed, etc., an aircraft in the air is no place for Joe Public to > > have a weapon. > > > > John > > > ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
Oh really? Is that your considered discussion on the matter 'freedom' ? hee hee hee. *smirk* I've attached the REST of what I said here as well :) But just in case you can't understand the points made, I'll summarise: 1) It would be too dangerous to allow the average citizen to carry a gun onboard an aircraft. It increases the risk astronomically to that aircraft's safety in the skies if armed civilians are aboard. Even trained Federal Agents know to be extremely careful when and how they fire a gun within the confines of a cabin, as well as the type of ammunition and firearms to carry aboard. 2) It would be expensive and introduce a second risk factor to have 'authorised' agents with guns aboard every single flight. 3) If everyone could carry a gun aboard an aircraft, you increase the risk of some lunatic shooting holes in the plane, the pilot or other equipment and killing everyone onboard. Regardless of whether or not s/he is killed before the plane erupts into a blazing fireball on the ground. 4) Are you still using this ridiculous pseudonym? This messages has also been posted to CF Community where this discussion may be continued, if you can. And I suspect you can't..."freedom".. heh heh. -Gel -Original Message- From: Freedom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Carry a gun onboard an airplane to 'protect' it..HAHAHAH > Oh that is soo ludicrous. You think the terrorists used guns to hijack the > plane huh? > Why? Because you've seen it on movies so many times before? > hahahaha! Man, you're clueless . . . > And what happens when a well meaning citizen/stewardess uses a conventional > firearm on an aircraft and accidentally shoots the captain, shoots out a > window,or blows an engine? > > I'm afraid I can understand why all efforts are made to prevent firearams > and other dagnerous devices and chemicals from being on board the aircraft > in the FIRST place. You going to trust someone on the aircraft with an > authorised gun who wasn't a federal agent or something like that? On EVERY > plane? Wow..you must have LOTS of faith in the average civilian. > > No buddy, that would just mean BEFORE the plane is hijacked there will be a > gun/other battle that might bring the plane down anyway.How many hijackings > result in all hands lost? > > But you made me laugh..thanks 'Freedom'... > > At least you have the 'Freedom' to post misguided stuff under a pseudonym. > > -Angel Stewart ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
The events of today are tragic. I do not in anyway condone or defend the acts that have happened today, or, in some cases below, in the past. In no way do I agree with the nationalistic rhetoric below by Steve. I am surprised by his heated attack on the arguer and not the argument. I wonder why you are so hot about this Steve, was one of your family members on one of the planes or in the towers? How could possibly guess how I or anyone would feel if that were the case? Maybe my thoughts would still be clear and, well, thoughtful. I find myself trying to figure out WHY someone would want to do this. WHAT was their motive. My only thought is that they must feel they ARE at war with us, whether we, the US, accepts it or not. Until we UNDERSTAND our enemies (note the plural), we will not be able to fight them with the conventional means we are used using. Those days, of massive tank battles at Kursk or the Bulge are long gone. We hardly even know WHO our enemies are. After Oklahoma, all you heard on the news was Arab this and Arab that. Instead it was an American ex-soldier, decorated to boot, who killed so many of his own people because he felt he was "at war" with the government. My guess is that whoever did this feels the same way. They are at war with this (my) country. Let's see, did we warn Panama, a sovereign state, that we were coming? No. Did we kidnap and extradite their president? Yes. Oh, he was a BAD man and we needed someone nice down there. Then why haven't we done this in so many other countries that have dictators who oppress their people? Economic need. There is none. Did we tell the Vietnamese that the Buff's were coming in at 40K feet and dropping bombs on their civilians. No. Did we ever truly commit to war with North Vietnam and make a Declaration or War? No. Did we kill millions of people? Yes. Why were there? Was it to keep the Military Industrial Complex fat and happy? Or the businessmen running Washington fat and happy? Probably both. Or was it to stop the spread of communism? Well since we lost, I guess that is moot. We never did fully understand the mind of the people we were fighting, we lost the war and won most of the battles. How many "innocent" people have died in Iraq since President Bush_1 declared a cessation of hostilities in the case of the Gulf War? It is in the tens of thousands. We have been there for 10 years, expending billions of dollars to enforce the no fly zone and the trade sanctions. Why did we not finish the job we had started? Why did we not support the rebels in his country who wanted to fight him? Instead, we abandoned them because, politically, we were no more sure of them than we were of him. Did we have ticker tape parades in the streets when our troops came home? You bet. And did they kill people? You bet. Thousands. We were not celebrating the deaths of the thousands, but the victors. Why do we fight wars? Principally it is to put forward our political and economic objectives. Hence the enormous expenditures on the military -- for the ability to project might around the world and defend OR extend these political and economic interests, mainly protecting our corporate interests, not the high ideals of democracy. (Again, this is not to say I disagree with it, only that I cut through the ideological rhetoric on TV to the reality of what we are about). I find it funny what people consider attacks of terrorism. England considered George Washington and the rest of the *Revolutionists* (note that) traitors to the Crown of England. Actually, they were. They saw an opportunity to gain enormous wealth and political power and took it. Humans are, after all, extremely good at being opportunistic, better than almost any other species except may sharks. In the context of the events of today, I have to think that these people, whoever did this, feel that they are at war with this country and that the only way they can put forward their economic or political agenda is through what we label terrorism. They certainly cannot come right out and fight us, no chance. So they try something that in their way of thinking, which is not at all like ours, will force us to concede something on their political or economic agenda. Until we understand that the old way of fighting wars, like the Russians learned in Afghanistan, is gone and that our enemies are fluid, with no clear boundaries, we will have this happen again. We must, MUST change our way of thinking about battling these people that threaten us. Isreal has, they understand that they are at war with the Palestinian group Hamas and have targeted and killed their leaders. Some would call that terrorist assassinations. It is tragic that this has happened, whether it be in this country or any other country. Thousands and thousands of lives will be forever and irrevocably altered because of the events set in motion my a small minority of people (men?) in this world. I know I ma
Re: Terrorism
> >While I have my own opinions on weapons, what should and should not be > >allowed, etc., an aircraft in the air is no place for Joe Public to have a > >weapon. > >One terrorist gunman vs. 10-12 passengers with guns. What happens? Not >good. Terrorist(s) get shot, a few passengers get shot, plane decompresses and crashes into a school/hospital. Just one of the many scenarios that could happen. >But a whole lot better than what happened today! If the terrorists >know that other passengers will be armed, they don't even try what happened >today! Right. You are talking about a group of people that WILLINGLY got on the plane KNOWING they would die. Now, you give a bunch of people guns and knowing they will get shot, they refuse to do it? Man, pull your head out and join the rational people of the world. John ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
Hm do religions that worship "a different god" not count? Take a count most wars have religious as well as polical motivations. Did I ever say "be an athiest" all I said was that more atrocities are committed in the name of "God". Though wars do kill people and the results can be atrocious that does not make them all atrocities. However if you look behind the scenes of some of the wars you mention below you will see that organized religion had a hand in it. I do not expect to change your mind I am just stating my opinion. You do not have to imply my religion, or in your opinion, my lack of religion is coloring my opinion. I am just an afficiado of history and can name a few atrocities that were religious in their roots. The Holocost, the spanish inquisition, the crusades, the persecution of christians by the Roman Empire to name those by reletively "modern" religion. I am sure the atrocities commited by believers of polytheism or tribal religions were done in the name of their "gods" as well. I did not mean to attack your "God" I am just stating that people will do almost anything they believe is "right" in the eyes of their "God" and they rarely feel any remorse or moral responsibility for the acts they have committed against the innocents. Tell me where are the morals of someone who has blown up an airplane full of people while fighting their Jihad? Or the morals of someone who has killed an abortion clinic doctor because they "kill babies". Do not attempt to attack my spirtituality. It runs very deep. To my knowledge I have never caused physical harm to any innocents nor backed down where it was my duty to protect someone. Life is precious and worth protecting no matter what "God" they believe in. Thanks, Frederic Brian Fox wrote: > > If you look > > throughout history you > > will see that more atrocities have been perpetrated in the > > name of God than > > for any other reason. > > Who coined this statement? It's been used, almost verbatim, so many times > that it has to have some source. > > I'm really baffled by it. Did someone count up the body counts of Vietnam, > Stalingrad, Pearl Harbor, the US Civil War, the French Revolution, Alexander > the Great's casualties, etc etc etc etc and find a common religious theme? > What about atrocities that predated monotheism? polytheism? tribal > religions? > > It seems to be a self defeating argument. If religion is an opiate, then > atheism is the truth. But then how the heck do you introduce morals into > the picture? I mean, how do you define 'atrocity'? Atheism after all boils > down to 'shit happens.' > ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
All I can say is "You idiot" Freedom wrote: > Truly think about this. If even a few people on those planes could have > been carrying a gun, none of this would have happened today. Yes, something > would happen sometime, but not this today! The wrong thinking has directed > the politically correct policies of this country for too long. The innocent > are suffering because of misguided logic. > > Justice, in this instance today, should be swift and sure! > > Freedom > > - Original Message - > From: "Paris Lundis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:23 PM > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > Yes in part Brian I agree. > > > > The question though the military/intelligence/feds need to answer in > > such situations is what are the targets, what is in the proximity... > > what is the likelihood of a destructive landing... can negotiations > > occur... these are human lives Brian... humans. > > > > It seems clearly disturbing that no one tried to overcome the hijackers > > on the plane. Clearly everyone knows the risk of dying in a crash. > > Obviously, Americans aren't so aware that some people are on a mission > > and the situation calls for whatever necessary. Really great that > > someone managed in the Pittsburgh area crash to call 911 on their > > cellphone.. unbelieveable isn't it... only because of that do we know > > the aircraft was hijacked... > > > > Civilians need better trained and to step up in these times of needs... > > > > Big kudos and thanks to all the emergency workers who have perished in > > rescuing other citiziens and the common people going beyond their call > > today. > > > > Sure puts a lump in your stomach and a fist in your hand. > > > > -paris > > > > [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] > > [connecting people, places and things] > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: "Yager, Brian T Contractor/NCCIM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:41:50 -0500 > > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > > > I would hope the US would shoot down a plane if it had terrorists on > > > board. No > > > offense, but those people would be dead anyways. I'm not going to > > > voice my > > > political views, but I do believe that to sacrifice 100 or so lives > > > to save many > > > thousands is a price I personally am willing to make. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Paris Lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:18 PM > > > To: CF-Talk > > > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > > > > > > > If the Pittsburgh area plane was intended for the white house they > > > picked a good place to put it down... > > > > > > FEMA is one site and was there quick... there is a very big hole in > > > the > > > ground and people said the plane did a 45 degree dive... so could > > > have > > > happened... unlikely though.. > > > > > > doubt the government wants to claim if so that they killed 300 of > > > their > > > citizens. > > > > > > I would love to know how many terrorists there were on each plane. > > > People need to understand that in an airplane you are screwed if > > > there > > > is a problem. Your odds of dying in a crash as a result are far > > > greater > > > than dying due to violence. > > > > > > we are accountable as well for these incidents. Certainly someone or > > > a > > > larger group of people were not actively doing their jobs. > > > > > > [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] > > > [connecting people, places and things] > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: "Kevin Langevin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:07:20 -0400 > > > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > > > > > Yup...disgusting. The US has some seriously negative sentiment > > > > towards it > > > > abroad. > > > > > > > > I was at a client's office earlier, two employees of which are > > > > military. > > > > One of them was on the phone with a woman whose husband works at > > > the > > > > Pentagon (also military) who said
RE: Terrorism
It shames me that during such tragic moment in history... that amidst all the suffering and loss that untold thousands of people are facing, this discussion has collapsed to this point. Have we, in fact, come to this state in our evolution? Have we completely abandoned our compassion... our humanity? If there has ever been an occasion for reflection on what we have allowed ourselves to become, it is now. Mike > *snicker* > > HAHAHAHAAHHA! > > Carry a gun onboard an airplane to 'protect' it..HAHAHAH > Oh that is soo ludicrous. You think the terrorists used guns > to hijack the plane huh? Why? Because you've seen it on > movies so many times before? hahahaha! ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism
Alright people...We have all had a chance to voice our views. Let's now just think about what we can do help the victims. Brian Yager President - North AL Cold Fusion Users Group Sr. Systems Analyst NCCIM/CIC [EMAIL PROTECTED] (256) 842-8342 -Original Message- From: Freddy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 5:21 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Terrorism Hm do religions that worship "a different god" not count? Take a count most wars have religious as well as polical motivations. Did I ever say "be an athiest" all I said was that more atrocities are committed in the name of "God". Though wars do kill people and the results can be atrocious that does not make them all atrocities. However if you look behind the scenes of some of the wars you mention below you will see that organized religion had a hand in it. I do not expect to change your mind I am just stating my opinion. You do not have to imply my religion, or in your opinion, my lack of religion is coloring my opinion. I am just an afficiado of history and can name a few atrocities that were religious in their roots. The Holocost, the spanish inquisition, the crusades, the persecution of christians by the Roman Empire to name those by reletively "modern" religion. I am sure the atrocities commited by believers of polytheism or tribal religions were done in the name of their "gods" as well. I did not mean to attack your "God" I am just stating that people will do almost anything they believe is "right" in the eyes of their "God" and they rarely feel any remorse or moral responsibility for the acts they have committed against the innocents. Tell me where are the morals of someone who has blown up an airplane full of people while fighting their Jihad? Or the morals of someone who has killed an abortion clinic doctor because they "kill babies". Do not attempt to attack my spirtituality. It runs very deep. To my knowledge I have never caused physical harm to any innocents nor backed down where it was my duty to protect someone. Life is precious and worth protecting no matter what "God" they believe in. Thanks, Frederic Brian Fox wrote: > > If you look > > throughout history you > > will see that more atrocities have been perpetrated in the > > name of God than > > for any other reason. > > Who coined this statement? It's been used, almost verbatim, so many times > that it has to have some source. > > I'm really baffled by it. Did someone count up the body counts of Vietnam, > Stalingrad, Pearl Harbor, the US Civil War, the French Revolution, Alexander > the Great's casualties, etc etc etc etc and find a common religious theme? > What about atrocities that predated monotheism? polytheism? tribal > religions? > > It seems to be a self defeating argument. If religion is an opiate, then > atheism is the truth. But then how the heck do you introduce morals into > the picture? I mean, how do you define 'atrocity'? Atheism after all boils > down to 'shit happens.' > ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
Where does "Satan" fit into this picture?? Why do you assume God is responsible? I think your view of God needs recalibrating. A loving God would never cause this to happen. I believe in the existence of Satan and is responsible for filling people's hearts with anger and hatred enough to commit this horrific crime. Bruce - Original Message - From: "Neil Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:24 AM Subject: RE: Terrorism > I think "God" was one of the main reasons why things like this happen > > ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
I'm from Turkey, I will be happy If I can do something from here. Just let me know, - Original Message - From: "Yager, Brian T Contractor/NCCIM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:13 AM Subject: RE: Terrorism > Alright people...We have all had a chance to voice our views. Let's now just > think about what we can do help the victims. > > Brian Yager > President - North AL Cold Fusion Users Group > Sr. Systems Analyst > NCCIM/CIC > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (256) 842-8342 > > > -Original Message- > From: Freddy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 5:21 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Terrorism > > > Hm do religions that worship "a different god" not count? Take a > count most wars have religious as well as polical motivations. Did I ever > say "be an athiest" all I said was that more atrocities are committed in the > name of "God". > > Though wars do kill people and the results can be atrocious that does not make > them all atrocities. However if you look behind the scenes of some of the wars > you mention below you will see that organized religion had a hand in it. > > I do not expect to change your mind I am just stating my opinion. You do not > have to imply my religion, or in your opinion, my lack of religion is coloring > my opinion. I am just an afficiado of history and can name a few atrocities that > were religious in their roots. The Holocost, the spanish inquisition, the > crusades, the persecution of christians by the Roman Empire to name those by > reletively "modern" religion. I am sure the atrocities commited by believers of > polytheism or tribal religions were done in the name of their "gods" as well. > > I did not mean to attack your "God" I am just stating that people will do almost > anything they believe is "right" in the eyes of their "God" and they rarely feel > any remorse or moral responsibility for the acts they have committed against the > innocents. > > Tell me where are the morals of someone who has blown up an airplane full of > people while fighting their Jihad? Or the morals of someone who has killed an > abortion clinic doctor because they "kill babies". > > Do not attempt to attack my spirtituality. It runs very deep. To my knowledge I > have never caused physical harm to any innocents nor backed down where it was my > duty to protect someone. Life is precious and worth protecting no matter what > "God" they believe in. > > Thanks, > Frederic > > Brian Fox wrote: > > > > If you look > > > throughout history you > > > will see that more atrocities have been perpetrated in the > > > name of God than > > > for any other reason. > > > > Who coined this statement? It's been used, almost verbatim, so many times > > that it has to have some source. > > > > I'm really baffled by it. Did someone count up the body counts of Vietnam, > > Stalingrad, Pearl Harbor, the US Civil War, the French Revolution, Alexander > > the Great's casualties, etc etc etc etc and find a common religious theme? > > What about atrocities that predated monotheism? polytheism? tribal > > religions? > > > > It seems to be a self defeating argument. If religion is an opiate, then > > atheism is the truth. But then how the heck do you introduce morals into > > the picture? I mean, how do you define 'atrocity'? Atheism after all boils > > down to 'shit happens.' > > > ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
I disagree. Put yourself in the shoes of a criminal looking for a house to break in and rob. Before you are two neighborhoods...one who has few or no laws against gun ownership by residents...the other has tough laws that ban gun ownership. Which neighborhood would you choose to go into and rob? Guns are a deterant. Hijackers would not be able to to plan an operation knowing that virtually any or all passengers might have guns that could shoot them dead. Guns on board by non-hijacking passengers would have certainly made a difference today. - Original Message - From: "Nick McClure" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:42 PM Subject: Re: Terrorism > What? not that I am a big gun control guy here. But if people were allowed > to take guns on planes then this would happen everyday. > > > At 04:30 PM 9/11/2001 -0400, Freedom wrote: > >Truly think about this. If even a few people on those planes could have > >been carrying a gun, none of this would have happened today. Yes, something > >would happen sometime, but not this today! The wrong thinking has directed > >the politically correct policies of this country for too long. The innocent > >are suffering because of misguided logic. > > > >Justice, in this instance today, should be swift and sure! > > > >Freedom > > > > > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Paris Lundis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:23 PM > >Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > > > > > Yes in part Brian I agree. > > > > > > The question though the military/intelligence/feds need to answer in > > > such situations is what are the targets, what is in the proximity... > > > what is the likelihood of a destructive landing... can negotiations > > > occur... these are human lives Brian... humans. > > > > > > It seems clearly disturbing that no one tried to overcome the hijackers > > > on the plane. Clearly everyone knows the risk of dying in a crash. > > > Obviously, Americans aren't so aware that some people are on a mission > > > and the situation calls for whatever necessary. Really great that > > > someone managed in the Pittsburgh area crash to call 911 on their > > > cellphone.. unbelieveable isn't it... only because of that do we know > > > the aircraft was hijacked... > > > > > > Civilians need better trained and to step up in these times of needs... > > > > > > Big kudos and thanks to all the emergency workers who have perished in > > > rescuing other citiziens and the common people going beyond their call > > > today. > > > > > > Sure puts a lump in your stomach and a fist in your hand. > > > > > > -paris > > > > > > [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] > > > [connecting people, places and things] > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: "Yager, Brian T Contractor/NCCIM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:41:50 -0500 > > > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > > > > > I would hope the US would shoot down a plane if it had terrorists on > > > > board. No > > > > offense, but those people would be dead anyways. I'm not going to > > > > voice my > > > > political views, but I do believe that to sacrifice 100 or so lives > > > > to save many > > > > thousands is a price I personally am willing to make. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Paris Lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:18 PM > > > > To: CF-Talk > > > > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > > > > > > > > > > If the Pittsburgh area plane was intended for the white house they > > > > picked a good place to put it down... > > > > > > > > FEMA is one site and was there quick... there is a very big hole in > > > > the > > > > ground and people said the plane did a 45 degree dive... so could > > > > have > > > > happened... unlikely though.. > > > > > > > > doubt the government wants to claim if so that they killed 300 of > > > > their > > > > citizens. > > > > > > > > I would love to know how man
Re: Terrorism
You have been listening too long to the trash liberal media and gun control nuts spew forth. You talk about having LOTs of faith in the average civilian...are you not aware of permits to "carry" that thousands and maybe millions of American have already? You don't go outside and fear for your life do you? No, you trust that one of them won't use their gun on you. No different for armed citizens on planes, in schools, etc. As long as they are trained and know how to use a gun, yes all but criminals can be trusted. As for gun battles on the plane before hijacking...look at the result when it wasn't an option...no more WTC and thousands dead! - Original Message - From: "Angel Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:48 PM Subject: RE: Terrorism > *snicker* > > HAHAHAHAAHHA! > > Carry a gun onboard an airplane to 'protect' it..HAHAHAH > Oh that is soo ludicrous. You think the terrorists used guns to hijack the > plane huh? > Why? Because you've seen it on movies so many times before? > hahahaha! > > What do you need to do to 'Hijack' a plane? Get to the Pilots and take over > the controls, or threaten the pilots with their lives. In this case I > suspect that the terrorists themselves would have been flying the aircraft. > Secondly, take care of the flight crew, and instill enough fear in the > passengers that all 100+ of them would not try to retake the aircraft. Are > guns the only way to do that? Nuh uh. > > And what happens when a well meaning citizen/stewardess uses a conventional > firearm on an aircraft and accidentally shoots the captain, shoots out a > window,or blows an engine? > > I'm afraid I can understand why all efforts are made to prevent firearams > and other dagnerous devices and chemicals from being on board the aircraft > in the FIRST place. You going to trust someone on the aircraft with an > authorised gun who wasn't a federal agent or something like that? On EVERY > plane? Wow..you must have LOTS of faith in the average civilian. > > No buddy, that would just mean BEFORE the plane is hijacked there will be a > gun/other battle that might bring the plane down anyway.How many hijackings > result in all hands lost? > > But you made me laugh..thanks 'Freedom'... > > At least you have the 'Freedom' to post misguided stuff under a pseudonym. > > -Angel Stewart > > > > -Original Message- > From: Freedom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Truly think about this. If even a few people on those planes could have > been carrying a gun, none of this would have happened today. Yes, something > would happen sometime, but not this today! The wrong thinking has directed > the politically correct policies of this country for too long. The innocent > are suffering because of misguided logic. > > Justice, in this instance today, should be swift and sure! > > Freedom > ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Terrorism
Guns would have nothing to do if they where carying a bomb around their chest & waist.. hehehe.. But i agree they would think about it twice before going into a plane full of loaded weapons.. the fact is that none of this would of happened with tougher NAZI-type of airport security. - Original Message - From: "Bruce Holm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 5:54 PM Subject: Re: Terrorism > I disagree. > Put yourself in the shoes of a criminal looking for a house to break in and > rob. > Before you are two neighborhoods...one who has few or no laws against gun > ownership by residents...the other has tough laws that ban gun ownership. > Which neighborhood would you choose to go into and rob? > Guns are a deterant. Hijackers would not be able to to plan an operation > knowing that virtually any or all passengers might have guns that could > shoot them dead. > Guns on board by non-hijacking passengers would have certainly made a > difference today. > > - Original Message - > From: "Nick McClure" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:42 PM > Subject: Re: Terrorism > > > > What? not that I am a big gun control guy here. But if people were allowed > > to take guns on planes then this would happen everyday. > > > > > > At 04:30 PM 9/11/2001 -0400, Freedom wrote: > > >Truly think about this. If even a few people on those planes could have > > >been carrying a gun, none of this would have happened today. Yes, > something > > >would happen sometime, but not this today! The wrong thinking has > directed > > >the politically correct policies of this country for too long. The > innocent > > >are suffering because of misguided logic. > > > > > >Justice, in this instance today, should be swift and sure! > > > > > >Freedom > > > > > > > > > > > >- Original Message - > > >From: "Paris Lundis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:23 PM > > >Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > > > > > > > > Yes in part Brian I agree. > > > > > > > > The question though the military/intelligence/feds need to answer in > > > > such situations is what are the targets, what is in the proximity... > > > > what is the likelihood of a destructive landing... can negotiations > > > > occur... these are human lives Brian... humans. > > > > > > > > It seems clearly disturbing that no one tried to overcome the > hijackers > > > > on the plane. Clearly everyone knows the risk of dying in a crash. > > > > Obviously, Americans aren't so aware that some people are on a mission > > > > and the situation calls for whatever necessary. Really great that > > > > someone managed in the Pittsburgh area crash to call 911 on their > > > > cellphone.. unbelieveable isn't it... only because of that do we know > > > > the aircraft was hijacked... > > > > > > > > Civilians need better trained and to step up in these times of > needs... > > > > > > > > Big kudos and thanks to all the emergency workers who have perished in > > > > rescuing other citiziens and the common people going beyond their call > > > > today. > > > > > > > > Sure puts a lump in your stomach and a fist in your hand. > > > > > > > > -paris > > > > > > > > [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] > > > > [connecting people, places and things] > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: "Yager, Brian T Contractor/NCCIM" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:41:50 -0500 > > > > Subject: RE: Terrorism > > > > > > > > > I would hope the US would shoot down a plane if it had terrorists on > > > > > board. No > > > > > offense, but those people would be dead anyways. I'm not going to > > > > > voice my > > > > > political views, but I do believe that to sacrifice 100 or so lives > > > > > to save many > > > > > thousands is a price I personally am willing to make. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: Terrorism
Please, let's not start this discussion in this forum. Kevin >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/11/01 03:43PM >>> Where does "Satan" fit into this picture?? Why do you assume God is responsible? I think your view of God needs recalibrating. A loving God would never cause this to happen. I believe in the existence of Satan and is responsible for filling people's hearts with anger and hatred enough to commit this horrific crime. Bruce - Original Message - From: "Neil Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:24 AM Subject: RE: Terrorism > I think "God" was one of the main reasons why things like this happen > > ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Terrorism (Resolve it!)
Maybe we could be constructive about this situation. I have encouraged all of my peers, friends and family to contribute to those who were injured by donating blood at their local Red Cross centers (for those of us in the US). I think it's time to get back to CF on this list, but if you have been affected by this disaster, use your energy to help those in need. That's my 2 cents. -- SCOTT VAN VLIET JUXT INTERACTIVE [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
EMS systems was Re: Terrorism
>My heart go out to any of those in this community ... or everyone who have >loved ones involved in this tragedy. >Let's take a short moment of silence in honor of the victims of this horrific >event. Amen. > Big kudos and thanks to all the emergency workers who have perished in > > rescuing other citiziens and the common people going beyond their call > > today. I am part of the inactive Reserves (I was an Air Force medic for 6 years), and I mourn for all the people in the EMS system who lost their lives today. As part of that, there are a few things that people can do. While they are going to be severely overwhelmed today, blood is going to be needed in massive quantities in the days/weeks to come. Find out when and where emergency donor centers will be set up, and go and donate blood. I imagine that in short order, mobile centers and centers in almost every shopping mall will be up and functioning. Initially, the greatest demand will be for O+ blood. Additionally, money/food/water/supplies will be needed, and I am sure that donation centers will be set up soon. While I inadvertently fanned some flames, remember that any reaction we have right now is one of shock and anger. Wait 24 hours for all of it to wear off, then take a more rational look at the events and what to do next. I've been in mass casualty situations, and even on the periphery as we are, no one thinks clearly. I agree that there are a lot of issues with security, intelligence, awareness, etc that need to be looked at, but to do it in the heat only gives you reactionary decisions. I was home for lunch, and some of the video footage that is being shown is just horrifying. This is something that will affect the country for our entire life and beyond. As a comparison, the attack at Pearl Harbor claimed 2002 personnel. This looks to claim that as a MINIMUM, and may go as high as 5-6x that many. This is an event that will shape a generation, and you will always remember "where you were when" John ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
OT Religion (was RE: Terrorism)
OK, I was going to stay out of this, but this comment hits me personally. First, I ask you to read my article about morality and Atheism. http://www.rubak.com/article.cfm?ID=11 Second, the atrocities referred to include but are not limited to: Manifest Destiny - Those Indians were killed in the name of God The MANY Inquisitions - Thousands killed because they refused to believe in their God. Galileio and other Scientists - Many were killed/jailed because their research went against religions doctrine of the day. Jesus - His death was because he rebelled against the big religion of the time. Henry VIII - Much plundering done by him in the disguise of religion. Witch Trials - Witch! Witch! You are a sin against God. You must die! American Slavery - Very religion based. Many Southerners used pro-slavery passages in the Bible to support their actions. And let us not forget the Palestine/Israel situation. That problem seems to be the first true working Perpetual Motion Machine. This is just off the top of my head. I'm sure plenty of other examples can be shown. The amount of pain and suffering in the name of religion is huge and wether it's the leading cause or second leading cause in irrelevent. Does this mean that Religion is a bad thing? No. It just means that historically, people have used this as a great reason for the bad actions against other people. Atheism does not boil down to "shit happens" and I encourage you to ask questions of Atheists before coming to conclusions. You wouldn't be silly enough to make brash statements of Buddhism without talking to a Buddhist would you? If you wish to contact me off list, I'll be happy to answer any questions you have. As for defining 'atrocity', the dictionary states: 1. Appalling or atrocious condition, quality, or behavior; monstrousness. 2. An appalling or atrocious act, situation, or object, especially an act of unusual or illegal cruelty inflicted by an armed force on civilians or prisoners. http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=atrocity There's nothing in there referring to religion. I apologive for this post. It is way off topic and I know this, but I was compelled to respond to the questions this person posted. Remember, the Romans called the first Christians "Atheists". Josh - [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:30:15 -0700 >From: Brian Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: Terrorism >Message-ID: ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > If you look > > throughout history you > > will see that more atrocities have been perpetrated in the > > name of God than > > for any other reason. > >Who coined this statement? It's been used, almost verbatim, so many times >that it has to have some source. > >I'm really baffled by it. Did someone count up the body counts of Vietnam, >Stalingrad, Pearl Harbor, the US Civil War, the French Revolution, >Alexander >the Great's casualties, etc etc etc etc and find a common religious theme? >What about atrocities that predated monotheism? polytheism? tribal >religions? > >It seems to be a self defeating argument. If religion is an opiate, then >atheism is the truth. But then how the heck do you introduce morals into >the picture? I mean, how do you define 'atrocity'? Atheism after all >boils >down to 'shit happens.' >~~ _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
