RE: What Notable Differences are there between Railo, Open Bluedragon, and Adobe Coldfusion? [Stackoverflow.com]
. 3.2 will also see the Vivio installers become the official Railo installers so folks who like simple click-click-done installers This, the lack of simple installation, in my opinion is the biggest impediment to attracting new people to the CF open source, if not many open source alternatives. It is, again in my opinion, much easier to learn the ins and outs of a working configuration than one where you have to take hours to learn to configure before you even know if it is a solution. We looked at Ralio for an open source solution on a project but decided on Open Blue Dragon because we could get it running quickly and easily. Dennis Powers UXB Internet - A website Design and Hosting Xompany P.O. Box 6028, Wolcott, CT 06716 - T:203-879-2844 W: http://www.uxbinternet.com W: http://www.ctbusinesslist.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:340191 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: What Notable Differences are there between Railo, Open Bluedragon, and Adobe Coldfusion? [Stackoverflow.com]
This, the lack of simple installation, in my opinion is the biggest impediment to attracting new people to the CF open source, Very good point. Even if CF cannot be qualified as easy to install either. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:340192 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: What Notable Differences are there between Railo, Open Bluedragon, and Adobe Coldfusion? [Stackoverflow.com]
Looks like you missed/not read several of the posts, as has been mentioned previously there is now a simple installer by Jordan Michaels that installs Railo with tomcat. It will probably never be quite as idiot proof as CF because of JRUN and its custom connector which negates the need to do additional setup other than enable CF on a website which can be done with the website config tool. This will always be one of the big benefits of CF to many, although I suspect Adobe will be replacing JRUN with something else in the next release since JRUN is discontinued, so it will be interesting to see what they do. Russ -Original Message- From: Claude Schnéegans schneeg...@internetique.com [mailto:=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Claude_Schn=E9egans schneeg...@interneti=71?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ue.com=3E?=] Sent: 21 December 2010 23:51 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: What Notable Differences are there between Railo, Open Bluedragon, and Adobe Coldfusion? [Stackoverflow.com] This, the lack of simple installation, in my opinion is the biggest impediment to attracting new people to the CF open source, Very good point. Even if CF cannot be qualified as easy to install either. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:340193 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: What Notable Differences are there between Railo, Open Bluedragon, and Adobe Coldfusion? [Stackoverflow.com]
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 2:49 PM, UXB denn...@uxbinternet.com wrote: . 3.2 will also see the Vivio installers become the official Railo installers so folks who like simple click-click-done installers This, the lack of simple installation, in my opinion is the biggest impediment to attracting new people to the CF open source That's why Jordan Michaels at Vivio created the installers as a community volunteer - and that's why they'll be the standard download bundle, starting with release 3.2 :) source alternatives. It is, again in my opinion, much easier to learn the ins and outs of a working configuration than one where you have to take hours to learn to configure before you even know if it is a solution. Well, there's always been the Express bundle - based on Jetty (not Tomcat like Vivio's installers), it's just a ZIP file you download, double-click to extract, then double-click the start script. In just a few seconds Railo/Jetty is running on port . No installation necessary! -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwoo ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:340194 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: What Notable Differences are there between Railo, Open Bluedragon, and Adobe Coldfusion? [Stackoverflow.com]
It sounds like it's a first impression problem. Which is ironically what CF has suffered from since day one. Many still scoff at CF based on a first impression they got about it in the 90's or early 00's. Sadly people who have tried it and been disappointed (be it CF, Railo or whatever else) aren't very likely to initiate giving it another shot. On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 2:49 PM, UXB denn...@uxbinternet.com wrote: . 3.2 will also see the Vivio installers become the official Railo installers so folks who like simple click-click-done installers This, the lack of simple installation, in my opinion is the biggest impediment to attracting new people to the CF open source That's why Jordan Michaels at Vivio created the installers as a community volunteer - and that's why they'll be the standard download bundle, starting with release 3.2 :) source alternatives. It is, again in my opinion, much easier to learn the ins and outs of a working configuration than one where you have to take hours to learn to configure before you even know if it is a solution. Well, there's always been the Express bundle - based on Jetty (not Tomcat like Vivio's installers), it's just a ZIP file you download, double-click to extract, then double-click the start script. In just a few seconds Railo/Jetty is running on port . No installation necessary! -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwoo ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:340195 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: What Notable Differences are there between Railo, Open Bluedragon, and Adobe Coldfusion? [Stackoverflow.com]
In my opinion... with a 7 year experience of using ACF and 1 year experience of using Railo and a few months experience of using PHP... I believe where products like ACF are making CFML feature enrichment and innovation at a totally different level, products like Railo are needed to compete PHP and keep CFML alive and JAGGED UP!!! All the CFML engines are backed by extremely active and supportive communities who are willing to help at no cost :) but what Railo has to offer is lightweight, blazing fast, good compatibility with CFML and the ability to customise. Things like these were the strongest criticism on CFML I guess :) And one thing more... what I have seen so far is that the complete Railo team is present on this ACF list unlike the other way round. This gives the Railo team the edge of competitor awareness ... if you know what I mean ;) Regards,Arsalan To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: What Notable Differences are there between Railo, Open Bluedragon, and Adobe Coldfusion? [Stackoverflow.com] Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 22:10:19 -0500 From: mgr...@modus.bz It sounds like it's a first impression problem. Which is ironically what CF has suffered from since day one. Many still scoff at CF based on a first impression they got about it in the 90's or early 00's. Sadly people who have tried it and been disappointed (be it CF, Railo or whatever else) aren't very likely to initiate giving it another shot. On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 2:49 PM, UXB denn...@uxbinternet.com wrote: . 3.2 will also see the Vivio installers become the official Railo installers so folks who like simple click-click-done installers This, the lack of simple installation, in my opinion is the biggest impediment to attracting new people to the CF open source That's why Jordan Michaels at Vivio created the installers as a community volunteer - and that's why they'll be the standard download bundle, starting with release 3.2 :) source alternatives. It is, again in my opinion, much easier to learn the ins and outs of a working configuration than one where you have to take hours to learn to configure before you even know if it is a solution. Well, there's always been the Express bundle - based on Jetty (not Tomcat like Vivio's installers), it's just a ZIP file you download, double-click to extract, then double-click the start script. In just a few seconds Railo/Jetty is running on port . No installation necessary! -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwoo ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:340199 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
What Notable Differences are there between Railo, Open Bluedragon, and Adobe Coldfusion? [Stackoverflow.com]
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4480205/what-notable-differences-are-there-between-railo-open-bluedragon-and-adobe-cold Posting here to in hopes list readers will post new, useful answers. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:340142 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: What Notable Differences are there between Railo, Open Bluedragon, and Adobe Coldfusion? [Stackoverflow.com]
you may also find this comparison helpful. http://www.cfmldeveloper.com/page.cfm/coldfusion-vs-railo-1 Russ On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Matthew Lesko m.le...@verizon.net wrote: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4480205/what-notable-differences-are-there-between-railo-open-bluedragon-and-adobe-cold Posting here to in hopes list readers will post new, useful answers. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:340143 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: What Notable Differences are there between Railo, Open Bluedragon, and Adobe Coldfusion? [Stackoverflow.com]
I tried to give a test to Railo some months ago. The lack of documentation made me give up after a few days. I finally upgraded to CF 9. Documentation is the most important thing for developers. For the same reason, I hate Mozilla. It may be many times better than Explorer, but their documentation is a joke. Same for Railo. I hate those open source or free stuff. And when you complain about it, you usually get some answer like Why don't you contribute? I use them not because I like them and I want to contribute, but because some visitors use them and I need to have my product compatible. The more undocumented free gadgets on the market, the more trouble for us developers. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:340147 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: What Notable Differences are there between Railo, Open Bluedragon, and Adobe Coldfusion? [Stackoverflow.com]
Wow, this is incredible. You hate open source and free stuff? Really? I've used plenty of commercial software with crappy documentation. Open source, or free, does not automatically equal crappy documentation. And what kind of docs are you looking for in your browser? On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 9:20 AM, wrote: I tried to give a test to Railo some months ago. The lack of documentation made me give up after a few days. I finally upgraded to CF 9. Documentation is the most important thing for developers. For the same reason, I hate Mozilla. It may be many times better than Explorer, but their documentation is a joke. Same for Railo. I hate those open source or free stuff. And when you complain about it, you usually get some answer like Why don't you contribute? I use them not because I like them and I want to contribute, but because some visitors use them and I need to have my product compatible. The more undocumented free gadgets on the market, the more trouble for us developers. -- === Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master Email : r...@camdenfamily.com Blog : www.coldfusionjedi.com AOL IM : cfjedimaster Keep up to date with the community: http://www.coldfusionblogger ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:340149 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: What Notable Differences are there between Railo, Open Bluedragon, and Adobe Coldfusion? [Stackoverflow.com]
Open source, or free, does not automatically equal crappy documentation. At least for the two examples I gave, YES! And what kind of docs are you looking for in your browser? Mostly Javascript and CSS. As far as HTML is concerned, there are not really differences. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:340150 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: What Notable Differences are there between Railo, Open Bluedragon, and Adobe Coldfusion? [Stackoverflow.com]
you may also find this comparison helpful. http://www.cfmldeveloper.com/page.cfm/coldfusion-vs-railo-1 Russ On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Matthew Lesko m.le...@verizon.net wrote: Thanks I've added this to an answer on the site. Comments are just as interesting as the actual comparison. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:340151 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: What Notable Differences are there between Railo, Open Bluedragon, and Adobe Coldfusion? [Stackoverflow.com]
I tried to give a test to Railo some months ago. The lack of documentation made me give up after a few days. I finally upgraded to CF 9. Documentation is the most important thing for developers. For the same reason, I hate Mozilla. It may be many times better than Explorer, but their documentation is a joke. Same for Railo. I hate those open source or free stuff. And when you complain about it, you usually get some answer like Why don't you contribute? I use them not because I like them and I want to contribute, but because some visitors use them and I need to have my product compatible. This a ranting flame. That's why I'm doing this on stackoverflow, at least it has features to highlight useful answers and remove the inane. The more undocumented free gadgets on the market, the more trouble for us developers. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:340152 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: What Notable Differences are there between Railo, Open Bluedragon, and Adobe Coldfusion? [Stackoverflow.com]
Documentation for Railo is indeed poor, but they are aware and they are working on it, it has been improving slowly and there is now a good installer as well. But remember this is really only with regards with installing and setup. When it comes to CFML programming the docs for Railo is pretty much the same as ColdFusion. This is however the main reason why I created www.cfmldeveloepr.com, so people can try out and use ColdFusion and Railo the easy way, without having to install or setup anything. But it is horses for courses, if you want a commercial product with tons of good docs then stick with CF, Railo is really aimed at a different market, those who like open source and have the Java technical skills and knowledge to use Tomcat or other Java sevlet containers or are willing to learn love it, or those who simply don't have the money for CF or simply don't want to pay for it and would go that extra mile for a free solution are giving it a try. Sadly the CF community has shown itself to be full of nasty vindictive, abusive trolls who have nothing better to do than flame Railo and anyone who uses it. Which is totally pointless and only serves to make them and the ColdFusion community at large look pathetic and has already started to divide the community which is a shame. If you like open source then use it, if you don't then don't use it, simples, but please don't try and paint it all with the same brush, some open source products have amazing docs, better than many commercial products. Even within the CF world take a look at the ColdBox framework, incredible documentation. Russ -Original Message- From: Claude Schnéegans schneeg...@internetique.com [mailto:=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Claude_Schn=E9egans schneeg...@interneti=71?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ue.com=3E?=] Sent: 20 December 2010 15:21 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: What Notable Differences are there between Railo, Open Bluedragon, and Adobe Coldfusion? [Stackoverflow.com] I tried to give a test to Railo some months ago. The lack of documentation made me give up after a few days. I finally upgraded to CF 9. Documentation is the most important thing for developers. For the same reason, I hate Mozilla. It may be many times better than Explorer, but their documentation is a joke. Same for Railo. I hate those open source or free stuff. And when you complain about it, you usually get some answer like Why don't you contribute? I use them not because I like them and I want to contribute, but because some visitors use them and I need to have my product compatible. The more undocumented free gadgets on the market, the more trouble for us developers. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:340153 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: What Notable Differences are there between Railo, Open Bluedragon, and Adobe Coldfusion? [Stackoverflow.com]
When it comes to CFML programming the docs for Railo is pretty much the same as ColdFusion. Pretty much, until you find something that works under CF and does not under Railo. Most of the time, it is only a detail, but it can cost you hours. The least would be some good docs about what's in CF and is not in Railo, and vice versa. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:340155 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: What Notable Differences are there between Railo, Open Bluedragon, and Adobe Coldfusion? [Stackoverflow.com]
There are docs on the Railo site which details exactly what is and isn't supported across the different platforms. I use Railo, I find is a great alternative for most of my clients. - Then again, we develop in multiple languages, so to me, it's just another language to know the difference in syntax, like going form PHP to CF. Regards, David McGraw Oyova Software, LLC On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 12:20 PM, wrote: When it comes to CFML programming the docs for Railo is pretty much the same as ColdFusion. Pretty much, until you find something that works under CF and does not under Railo. Most of the time, it is only a detail, but it can cost you hours. The least would be some good docs about what's in CF and is not in Railo, and vice versa. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:340156 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: What Notable Differences are there between Railo, Open Bluedragon, and Adobe Coldfusion? [Stackoverflow.com]
http://www.getrailo.org/index.cfm/documentation/compatibility/cfml-compatibility/ -- WSS4CF - WS-Security framework for CF http://wss4cf.riaforge.org/ On 21 December 2010 01:20, wrote: The least would be some good docs about what's in CF and is not in Railo, and vice versa. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:340157 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: What Notable Differences are there between Railo, Open Bluedragon, and Adobe Coldfusion? [Stackoverflow.com]
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 7:20 AM, wrote: In Gmail, this post seems to be from an anonymous user... I hate those open source or free stuff. ...so I visited the HoF site and I see it's Claude Schneegans, in which case the negativity makes perfect sense. The more undocumented free gadgets on the market, the more trouble for us developers. Yeah, down with choice. Choice bad :) Yup, the Railo documentation could do with some improvement. Lots of people are working on it and folks will see a big improvement soon when the 3.2 release goes gold with a lot of new documentation - and it should just keep getting better. Just bear in mind most of the documentation is created by volunteers, fitting it in around their day jobs. 3.2 will also see the Vivio installers become the official Railo installers so folks who like simple click-click-done installers should be happy (as an old hand *nix guy, I still think GUIs and wizards are over-rated but what does this old fart know, eh? :) -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:340159 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: What Notable Differences are there between Railo, Open Bluedragon, and Adobe Coldfusion? [Stackoverflow.com]
Which is exactly what I am trying to do here http://www.cfmldeveloper.com/page.cfm/coldfusion-vs-railo-1, sadly I am not getting much input from others so I am only able to update it base don my own experiences, but as I migrate apps between Cf/Railo I do take note of things I have to fix and I document them. You will also find plenty of info/help on the Railo discussion list on this topic as well as the WIKI. I expect you can also ask such questions on this list also. Russ -Original Message- From: Claude Schnéegans schneeg...@internetique.com [mailto:=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Claude_Schn=E9egans schneeg...@interneti=71?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ue.com=3E?=] Sent: 20 December 2010 17:20 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: What Notable Differences are there between Railo, Open Bluedragon, and Adobe Coldfusion? [Stackoverflow.com] When it comes to CFML programming the docs for Railo is pretty much the same as ColdFusion. Pretty much, until you find something that works under CF and does not under Railo. Most of the time, it is only a detail, but it can cost you hours. The least would be some good docs about what's in CF and is not in Railo, and vice versa. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:340173 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm