RE: considering two options for changing hosting

[Mark A Kruger]

Ow! That hurt.

-Original Message-
From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 3:37 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: considering two options for changing hosting


Mark,

there is a very good reason I do not tell people there is a workaround to
get MSAccess working on 64bit, and no you definitely should not encourage
such things, you are a bad bad man and I am giving you a virtual slap right
now..


On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 9:06 PM, Mark A Kruger 
wrote:

>
> Russ,
>
> You can make access Run on 64bit - it's just not very easy :)  I know I
> know
> I should NOT be encouraging such things (ha).
>
>
>
http://www.coldfusionmuse.com/index.cfm/2010/12/31/Access.on.64bit.ColdFusio
> n
>
> -Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 1:52 PM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: considering two options for changing hosting
>
>
> MSAccess does not work since windows server 2008 as the jet drivers do not
> exist for 64bit OS, so your host must be running 2003 still on 32bit.
> So the days of running MSAccess have already gone years ago, you are just
> running on a legacy windows 2003 system, which reaches EOL this July.
>
> If you want to know why CF has so many issues on shared hosting, then read
> this
>
>
http://www.michaels.me.uk/post.cfm/why-coldfusion-railo-are-not-suited-to-sh
> ared-hosting
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Stephens, Larry V 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > I echo everything said below except I am on shared hosting. I've had
some
> > issues with slow response and failure to connect and, at least twice,
> they
> > volunteered to move me to a different host to solve the problem. I'm
> > running multiple sites with them.
> >
> > There have been times when I'm pretty sure they didn't read all my
> support
> > request and gave a kneejerk response, but we worked through that. If I
> was
> > starting any new sites they would go there.
> >
> > I'm pretty sure the days of running Access are limited. I still have a
> > couple of sites, too, and they don't work real well. The connections
keep
> > dying and have to be restarted by the support staff. I'm converting them
> to
> > MSSQL.
> >
> >
> > Larry V. Stephens
> >
> >
> > I made the switch to Hostek (https://cp.hostek.com/aff.php?aff=931) a
> few
> > years back and I have been very happy with the decision. I just went
> > through a server upgrade over the weekend in which we ran into an issue
> > with a couple of old sites that are still running on MS Access. Their
> > support staff were very diligent and were able to work out the issue for
> > me. I have not worked with their shared hosting, but their VPS service
> has
> > been top notch.
> >
> >
>
>
>
> 



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Re: considering two options for changing hosting

[Dean Lawrence]

Actually, my VPS is 64bit Windows 2008 r2. I manage it myself, so I know.
Hostek has some workaround to be able to run these Access DSNs. It's all
automated, so I don't pay it much mind. Also, even without Windows support,
there is no reason that you could not use a Java driver to connect to the
Access file if you really have to. I do this on my Mac to be able to run a
local copy of the site on my development machine. I agree though, I would
love to get rid of these last couple of Access sites that I still maintain.
They cause me nothing but trouble. I've converted the vast majority of my
client sites long ago, but there are still a couple stragglers.

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 4:37 PM Russ Michaels  wrote:

>
> Mark,
>
> there is a very good reason I do not tell people there is a workaround to
> get MSAccess working on 64bit, and no you definitely should not encourage
> such things, you are a bad bad man and I am giving you a virtual slap right
> now..
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 9:06 PM, Mark A Kruger 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Russ,
> >
> > You can make access Run on 64bit - it's just not very easy :)  I know I
> > know
> > I should NOT be encouraging such things (ha).
> >
> >
> > http://www.coldfusionmuse.com/index.cfm/2010/12/31/Access.
> on.64bit.ColdFusio
> > n
> >
> > -Mark
> >
> > -Original Message-----
> > From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk]
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 1:52 PM
> > To: cf-talk
> > Subject: Re: considering two options for changing hosting
> >
> >
> > MSAccess does not work since windows server 2008 as the jet drivers do
> not
> > exist for 64bit OS, so your host must be running 2003 still on 32bit.
> > So the days of running MSAccess have already gone years ago, you are just
> > running on a legacy windows 2003 system, which reaches EOL this July.
> >
> > If you want to know why CF has so many issues on shared hosting, then
> read
> > this
> >
> > http://www.michaels.me.uk/post.cfm/why-coldfusion-railo-
> are-not-suited-to-sh
> > ared-hosting
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Stephens, Larry V 
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I echo everything said below except I am on shared hosting. I've had
> some
> > > issues with slow response and failure to connect and, at least twice,
> > they
> > > volunteered to move me to a different host to solve the problem. I'm
> > > running multiple sites with them.
> > >
> > > There have been times when I'm pretty sure they didn't read all my
> > support
> > > request and gave a kneejerk response, but we worked through that. If I
> > was
> > > starting any new sites they would go there.
> > >
> > > I'm pretty sure the days of running Access are limited. I still have a
> > > couple of sites, too, and they don't work real well. The connections
> keep
> > > dying and have to be restarted by the support staff. I'm converting
> them
> > to
> > > MSSQL.
> > >
> > >
> > > Larry V. Stephens
> > >
> > >
> > > I made the switch to Hostek (https://cp.hostek.com/aff.php?aff=931) a
> > few
> > > years back and I have been very happy with the decision. I just went
> > > through a server upgrade over the weekend in which we ran into an issue
> > > with a couple of old sites that are still running on MS Access. Their
> > > support staff were very diligent and were able to work out the issue
> for
> > > me. I have not worked with their shared hosting, but their VPS service
> > has
> > > been top notch.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: considering two options for changing hosting

[Russ Michaels]

Mark,

there is a very good reason I do not tell people there is a workaround to
get MSAccess working on 64bit, and no you definitely should not encourage
such things, you are a bad bad man and I am giving you a virtual slap right
now..


On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 9:06 PM, Mark A Kruger 
wrote:

>
> Russ,
>
> You can make access Run on 64bit - it's just not very easy :)  I know I
> know
> I should NOT be encouraging such things (ha).
>
>
> http://www.coldfusionmuse.com/index.cfm/2010/12/31/Access.on.64bit.ColdFusio
> n
>
> -Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 1:52 PM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: considering two options for changing hosting
>
>
> MSAccess does not work since windows server 2008 as the jet drivers do not
> exist for 64bit OS, so your host must be running 2003 still on 32bit.
> So the days of running MSAccess have already gone years ago, you are just
> running on a legacy windows 2003 system, which reaches EOL this July.
>
> If you want to know why CF has so many issues on shared hosting, then read
> this
>
> http://www.michaels.me.uk/post.cfm/why-coldfusion-railo-are-not-suited-to-sh
> ared-hosting
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Stephens, Larry V 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > I echo everything said below except I am on shared hosting. I've had some
> > issues with slow response and failure to connect and, at least twice,
> they
> > volunteered to move me to a different host to solve the problem. I'm
> > running multiple sites with them.
> >
> > There have been times when I'm pretty sure they didn't read all my
> support
> > request and gave a kneejerk response, but we worked through that. If I
> was
> > starting any new sites they would go there.
> >
> > I'm pretty sure the days of running Access are limited. I still have a
> > couple of sites, too, and they don't work real well. The connections keep
> > dying and have to be restarted by the support staff. I'm converting them
> to
> > MSSQL.
> >
> >
> > Larry V. Stephens
> >
> >
> > I made the switch to Hostek (https://cp.hostek.com/aff.php?aff=931) a
> few
> > years back and I have been very happy with the decision. I just went
> > through a server upgrade over the weekend in which we ran into an issue
> > with a couple of old sites that are still running on MS Access. Their
> > support staff were very diligent and were able to work out the issue for
> > me. I have not worked with their shared hosting, but their VPS service
> has
> > been top notch.
> >
> >
>
>
>
> 

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RE: considering two options for changing hosting

[Mark A Kruger]

PS. I agree his host is probably using 32bit.

-Original Message-
From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 1:52 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: considering two options for changing hosting


MSAccess does not work since windows server 2008 as the jet drivers do not
exist for 64bit OS, so your host must be running 2003 still on 32bit.
So the days of running MSAccess have already gone years ago, you are just
running on a legacy windows 2003 system, which reaches EOL this July.

If you want to know why CF has so many issues on shared hosting, then read
this
http://www.michaels.me.uk/post.cfm/why-coldfusion-railo-are-not-suited-to-sh
ared-hosting



On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Stephens, Larry V  wrote:

>
> I echo everything said below except I am on shared hosting. I've had some
> issues with slow response and failure to connect and, at least twice, they
> volunteered to move me to a different host to solve the problem. I'm
> running multiple sites with them.
>
> There have been times when I'm pretty sure they didn't read all my support
> request and gave a kneejerk response, but we worked through that. If I was
> starting any new sites they would go there.
>
> I'm pretty sure the days of running Access are limited. I still have a
> couple of sites, too, and they don't work real well. The connections keep
> dying and have to be restarted by the support staff. I'm converting them
to
> MSSQL.
>
>
> Larry V. Stephens
>
>
> I made the switch to Hostek (https://cp.hostek.com/aff.php?aff=931) a few
> years back and I have been very happy with the decision. I just went
> through a server upgrade over the weekend in which we ran into an issue
> with a couple of old sites that are still running on MS Access. Their
> support staff were very diligent and were able to work out the issue for
> me. I have not worked with their shared hosting, but their VPS service has
> been top notch.
>
> 



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Re: considering two options for changing hosting

[Russ Michaels]

MSAccess does not work since windows server 2008 as the jet drivers do not
exist for 64bit OS, so your host must be running 2003 still on 32bit.
So the days of running MSAccess have already gone years ago, you are just
running on a legacy windows 2003 system, which reaches EOL this July.

If you want to know why CF has so many issues on shared hosting, then read
this
http://www.michaels.me.uk/post.cfm/why-coldfusion-railo-are-not-suited-to-shared-hosting



On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Stephens, Larry V  wrote:

>
> I echo everything said below except I am on shared hosting. I've had some
> issues with slow response and failure to connect and, at least twice, they
> volunteered to move me to a different host to solve the problem. I'm
> running multiple sites with them.
>
> There have been times when I'm pretty sure they didn't read all my support
> request and gave a kneejerk response, but we worked through that. If I was
> starting any new sites they would go there.
>
> I'm pretty sure the days of running Access are limited. I still have a
> couple of sites, too, and they don't work real well. The connections keep
> dying and have to be restarted by the support staff. I'm converting them to
> MSSQL.
>
>
> Larry V. Stephens
>
>
> I made the switch to Hostek (https://cp.hostek.com/aff.php?aff=931) a few
> years back and I have been very happy with the decision. I just went
> through a server upgrade over the weekend in which we ran into an issue
> with a couple of old sites that are still running on MS Access. Their
> support staff were very diligent and were able to work out the issue for
> me. I have not worked with their shared hosting, but their VPS service has
> been top notch.
>
> 

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RE: considering two options for changing hosting

[Stephens, Larry V]

I echo everything said below except I am on shared hosting. I've had some 
issues with slow response and failure to connect and, at least twice, they 
volunteered to move me to a different host to solve the problem. I'm running 
multiple sites with them.

There have been times when I'm pretty sure they didn't read all my support 
request and gave a kneejerk response, but we worked through that. If I was 
starting any new sites they would go there.

I'm pretty sure the days of running Access are limited. I still have a couple 
of sites, too, and they don't work real well. The connections keep dying and 
have to be restarted by the support staff. I'm converting them to MSSQL.

 
Larry V. Stephens


I made the switch to Hostek (https://cp.hostek.com/aff.php?aff=931) a few years 
back and I have been very happy with the decision. I just went through a server 
upgrade over the weekend in which we ran into an issue with a couple of old 
sites that are still running on MS Access. Their support staff were very 
diligent and were able to work out the issue for me. I have not worked with 
their shared hosting, but their VPS service has been top notch.

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Re: considering two options for changing hosting

[Dean Lawrence]

Mark,

I made the switch to Hostek (https://cp.hostek.com/aff.php?aff=931) a few
years back and I have been very happy with the decision. I just went
through a server upgrade over the weekend in which we ran into an issue
with a couple of old sites that are still running on MS Access. Their
support staff were very diligent and were able to work out the issue for
me. I have not worked with their shared hosting, but their VPS service has
been top notch.

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 6:46 AM Cameron Childress 
wrote:

>
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 7:04 PM, Mark Spence wrote:
>
> > 1.  Lately the Wordpress portion of the site has become slow and I can't
> > figure out why.  It's not the db and it is not the plug-ins.  It's a
> simple
> > site with not many posts or widgets and it should be faster.  The CF
> > portion of the site is fast.
> >
>
> You might consider moving the WP stuff to a host like WP Engine.
>
>
> > So I am looking at the Hostek Personal Plus for $7.99 CF shared hosting.
> > Has anyone used both hosts and can compare the two?  Will I see a
> > performance difference?
> >
>
> I usually look at cost like this and try to figure out how much tech
> support this really buys from your host. Maybe 15 minutes a month?
> Generally speaking, I would expect similar (good or bad) performance from
> any host at this cost level.
>
> -Cameron
>
> --
> Cameron Childress
> --
> p:   678.637.5072
> im: cameroncf
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>  | google+
> 
>
>
> 

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Re: considering two options for changing hosting

[Cameron Childress]

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 7:04 PM, Mark Spence wrote:

> 1.  Lately the Wordpress portion of the site has become slow and I can't
> figure out why.  It's not the db and it is not the plug-ins.  It's a simple
> site with not many posts or widgets and it should be faster.  The CF
> portion of the site is fast.
>

You might consider moving the WP stuff to a host like WP Engine.


> So I am looking at the Hostek Personal Plus for $7.99 CF shared hosting.
> Has anyone used both hosts and can compare the two?  Will I see a
> performance difference?
>

I usually look at cost like this and try to figure out how much tech
support this really buys from your host. Maybe 15 minutes a month?
Generally speaking, I would expect similar (good or bad) performance from
any host at this cost level.

-Cameron

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--
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Re: considering two options for changing hosting

[Michael Grant]

I use Newtek and they are pretty good. However I've tried to run CF and
Wordpress on the same Windows server with Newtek and Wordpress was super
slow. They kept telling me it's a known issue and there's nothing they
could do about it. I ended up splitting onto two different servers. It's
shared hosting so the tech staff is only so supportive of edge case issues
like this.

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 7:04 PM, Mark Spence  wrote:

>
> I am currently using Newtek/Crystaltek for a client site and have a couple
> of issues with them I am able to resolve.  The site has been with them for
> several years.
>
> 1.  Lately the Wordpress portion of the site has become slow and I can't
> figure out why.  It's not the db and it is not the plug-ins.  It's a simple
> site with not many posts or widgets and it should be faster.  The CF
> portion of the site is fast.
>
> 2.  They don't support http compression.  This is more a minor annoyance,
> but it is something I want.
>
> So I am looking at the Hostek Personal Plus for $7.99 CF shared hosting.
> Has anyone used both hosts and can compare the two?  Will I see a
> performance difference?
>
>
> 

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Re: considering two options for changing hosting

[Patrick at A7]

I love Hostek. I’m a reseller with dozens of sites there.
Strong, 24/7 ColdFusion-Knowlegable support!
Patrick (A7.net)

> On Mar 26, 2015, at 10:35 PM, Byron Mann  wrote:
> 
> 
> Sorry I cannot comment on Hostek, but I would recommend working with your
> host and getting to the root of the issue before putting in the work on
> moving things. I just know that can be a hassle and you could wind up in
> the same place as you are today.
> 
> So some recommendations.
> 
> - Get your provider to move the site to another server. Even if it's
> temporary to see if the server is the issue. Maybe they can just provide
> another temp account for free. This way the db can stay where it is and
> just gave to move the files.
> 
> - Put another simple php app on your site. This would help narrow down php
> on the server or your php instance (depending on their config) as the
> issue.
> 
> - Disable your Wordpress plugins one by one to see if one is at fault. I
> know you stated these aren't the issue, but worth trying.
> 
> - Check web logs to see if someone is leeching your Wordpress content and
> beating up your site.
> 
> - Use a Wordpress caching plugin, you should do this anyway as Wordpress
> usually runs like doodie without one anyway.
> 
> - Run the site through something like pingdom.com/tools, which will break
> down the load times and from where. Could be a plugin loading content from
> another site that is the issue and this would show it.
> 
> - Check the html source, possible that your Wordpress site is compromised
> and there is some hidden content or something in the page causing a slow
> down.
> 
> If you wanted to share the site, I'm sure some people on the list might be
> able to offer some insight.
> On Mar 26, 2015 7:05 PM, "Mark Spence"  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I am currently using Newtek/Crystaltek for a client site and have a couple
>> of issues with them I am able to resolve.  The site has been with them for
>> several years.
>> 
>> 1.  Lately the Wordpress portion of the site has become slow and I can't
>> figure out why.  It's not the db and it is not the plug-ins.  It's a simple
>> site with not many posts or widgets and it should be faster.  The CF
>> portion of the site is fast.
>> 
>> 2.  They don't support http compression.  This is more a minor annoyance,
>> but it is something I want.
>> 
>> So I am looking at the Hostek Personal Plus for $7.99 CF shared hosting.
>> Has anyone used both hosts and can compare the two?  Will I see a
>> performance difference?
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

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Re: considering two options for changing hosting

[Byron Mann]

Sorry I cannot comment on Hostek, but I would recommend working with your
host and getting to the root of the issue before putting in the work on
moving things. I just know that can be a hassle and you could wind up in
the same place as you are today.

So some recommendations.

- Get your provider to move the site to another server. Even if it's
temporary to see if the server is the issue. Maybe they can just provide
another temp account for free. This way the db can stay where it is and
just gave to move the files.

- Put another simple php app on your site. This would help narrow down php
on the server or your php instance (depending on their config) as the
issue.

- Disable your Wordpress plugins one by one to see if one is at fault. I
know you stated these aren't the issue, but worth trying.

- Check web logs to see if someone is leeching your Wordpress content and
beating up your site.

- Use a Wordpress caching plugin, you should do this anyway as Wordpress
usually runs like doodie without one anyway.

- Run the site through something like pingdom.com/tools, which will break
down the load times and from where. Could be a plugin loading content from
another site that is the issue and this would show it.

- Check the html source, possible that your Wordpress site is compromised
and there is some hidden content or something in the page causing a slow
down.

If you wanted to share the site, I'm sure some people on the list might be
able to offer some insight.
On Mar 26, 2015 7:05 PM, "Mark Spence"  wrote:

>
> I am currently using Newtek/Crystaltek for a client site and have a couple
> of issues with them I am able to resolve.  The site has been with them for
> several years.
>
> 1.  Lately the Wordpress portion of the site has become slow and I can't
> figure out why.  It's not the db and it is not the plug-ins.  It's a simple
> site with not many posts or widgets and it should be faster.  The CF
> portion of the site is fast.
>
> 2.  They don't support http compression.  This is more a minor annoyance,
> but it is something I want.
>
> So I am looking at the Hostek Personal Plus for $7.99 CF shared hosting.
> Has anyone used both hosts and can compare the two?  Will I see a
> performance difference?
>
>
> 

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Re: considering two options for changing hosting

[Russ Michaels]

the common reasons PHP becomes slow is an overloaded server, if the disk IO
is not fast then PHP suffers.
This does not affect CF in the same way because cf templates get cached in
memory by default.

To determine whether one host is going to be any better than another, the
question you need to ask them is how many sites they put on each server,
what type of disks they use, etc.

We do not overload our servers for example, so as to not have so many
issues caused by too many sites or other customers with badly written
sites. We have also moved all our shared hosting servers to SSD now to get
max performance, and it really does make a difference.

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 11:04 PM, Mark Spence 
wrote:

>
> I am currently using Newtek/Crystaltek for a client site and have a couple
> of issues with them I am able to resolve.  The site has been with them for
> several years.
>
> 1.  Lately the Wordpress portion of the site has become slow and I can't
> figure out why.  It's not the db and it is not the plug-ins.  It's a simple
> site with not many posts or widgets and it should be faster.  The CF
> portion of the site is fast.
>
> 2.  They don't support http compression.  This is more a minor annoyance,
> but it is something I want.
>
> So I am looking at the Hostek Personal Plus for $7.99 CF shared hosting.
> Has anyone used both hosts and can compare the two?  Will I see a
> performance difference?
>
>
> 

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considering two options for changing hosting

[Mark Spence]

I am currently using Newtek/Crystaltek for a client site and have a couple
of issues with them I am able to resolve.  The site has been with them for
several years.

1.  Lately the Wordpress portion of the site has become slow and I can't
figure out why.  It's not the db and it is not the plug-ins.  It's a simple
site with not many posts or widgets and it should be faster.  The CF
portion of the site is fast.

2.  They don't support http compression.  This is more a minor annoyance,
but it is something I want.

So I am looking at the Hostek Personal Plus for $7.99 CF shared hosting.
Has anyone used both hosts and can compare the two?  Will I see a
performance difference?


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