Re: language for mailer

[Carey Duryea]

well the more obvious reason is someone has offered a considerable amount of 
money for a version of this type of software.  Reason for this is, they can 
install it on as many servers as they would like without costing them 
additional monies, they can control the analytics produced because they have 
source code (or i would) They could have a controling interface for many server 
resources.  currently no one i have seen is giving you ANYTHING but a bill on a 
regular basis for alot of money.  i am in the position of being the developer 
potiential for this project. i wouldn't wanna go to the client and say,  hey 
here is a half baked solution that you don't own , that you would pay 5,000 a 
month for , but you can use three servers with one server instance.  and just 
sort of tell them its to hard to do.  whatever the number is to build the 
software i have to come up with. I know there are alot of companies doing 
something similar and extending licenses for the use of the software.  This is 
not a taylored solution that will work




>I'd be the first to admit that I am a die-hard CF fan, but if you want an
>off-the-shelf software solution, check out Campaign Enterprise:
>http://www.arialsoftware.com/enterprise.htm
>
>It gives average users the
>ability to create simple HTML email messages, where the recipient list can
>be defined by a query pulling from your own backend database like SQL
>server.
>
>We have it at work, and for the most part, it gives us what we want.
>
>
>
>>

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Re: language for mailer

[Qing Xia]

I'd be the first to admit that I am a die-hard CF fan, but if you want an
off-the-shelf software solution, check out Campaign Enterprise:
http://www.arialsoftware.com/enterprise.htm

It gives average users the
ability to create simple HTML email messages, where the recipient list can
be defined by a query pulling from your own backend database like SQL
server.

We have it at work, and for the most part, it gives us what we want.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Maureen  wrote:

>
> I would question why you would want to build it at all when so many
> already exist - in all languages.
>
> On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 11:39 PM, Carey  Duryea
>  wrote:
> >
> > i was positive there was some hook into creating more efficiency.  just
> like building a dragster, you basically can only go straight, but thats all
> you really wanna do!  i am sort of a beginning developer in CF and a few
> other technologies, but non such as java or C,  i have a potiential contract
> to build such a server device with a web application interface for control
> of these mailing actions.
> > i know myself very well, that if i decide to contract this sort of work,
> i'll probably end up reading three books on java.  the more ya knwo, the
> less you pay, i wonder who coined that phrase.  so its like, build java
> application mail server, that exploits resourses, build flex cf web
> application as interface to server applicati
>
> 

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Re: language for mailer

[Maureen]

I would question why you would want to build it at all when so many
already exist - in all languages.

On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 11:39 PM, Carey  Duryea
 wrote:
>
> i was positive there was some hook into creating more efficiency.  just like 
> building a dragster, you basically can only go straight, but thats all you 
> really wanna do!  i am sort of a beginning developer in CF and a few other 
> technologies, but non such as java or C,  i have a potiential contract to 
> build such a server device with a web application interface for control of 
> these mailing actions.
> i know myself very well, that if i decide to contract this sort of work, i'll 
> probably end up reading three books on java.  the more ya knwo, the less you 
> pay, i wonder who coined that phrase.  so its like, build java application 
> mail server, that exploits resourses, build flex cf web application as 
> interface to server applicati

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Re: language for mailer

[Carey Duryea]

i was positive there was some hook into creating more efficiency.  just like 
building a dragster, you basically can only go straight, but thats all you 
really wanna do!  i am sort of a beginning developer in CF and a few other 
technologies, but non such as java or C,  i have a potiential contract to build 
such a server device with a web application interface for control of these 
mailing actions. 
i know myself very well, that if i decide to contract this sort of work, i'll 
probably end up reading three books on java.  the more ya knwo, the less you 
pay, i wonder who coined that phrase.  so its like, build java application mail 
server, that exploits resourses, build flex cf web application as interface to 
server application 




>There's this (pic at bottom):
>
>http://ha-javamail.sourceforge.net/
>
>Which should give you an idea of javamail's throughput.  Theoretically
>ha-javamail should be usable from CF if you drop to the java level.
>Dave knows more about what limitations there are on standard vs.
>enterprise (spooling, I think?), tho I think if you handle it at the
>java level you can do pretty much whatever you'd like.
>
>Dave's right about me being right (which was really him being right a
>few days ago :))-- the hardest part is usually managing getting
>blacklisted and whatnot, and for the money, a 3rd party who
>specializes in handling things like that is worth it.  A couple were
>mentioned in a thread just a bit ago.
>
>If I had less fun things to do, I'd see about adding ha-javamail
>support to cfjavamail.  That'd be a good feature.
>
>Anyways, if you do go the CF route for sending mail, I've got a
>"Wiser" (part the subethasmtp project) deal for CF that lets you test
>SMTP stuff pretty easy (fakes an SMTP server locally).
>
>:Denny
>
>-- 
>Every creature is a word of God.
>Meister Eckhart 

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Re: language for mailer

[denstar]

There's this (pic at bottom):

http://ha-javamail.sourceforge.net/

Which should give you an idea of javamail's throughput.  Theoretically
ha-javamail should be usable from CF if you drop to the java level.
Dave knows more about what limitations there are on standard vs.
enterprise (spooling, I think?), tho I think if you handle it at the
java level you can do pretty much whatever you'd like.

Dave's right about me being right (which was really him being right a
few days ago :))-- the hardest part is usually managing getting
blacklisted and whatnot, and for the money, a 3rd party who
specializes in handling things like that is worth it.  A couple were
mentioned in a thread just a bit ago.

If I had less fun things to do, I'd see about adding ha-javamail
support to cfjavamail.  That'd be a good feature.

Anyways, if you do go the CF route for sending mail, I've got a
"Wiser" (part the subethasmtp project) deal for CF that lets you test
SMTP stuff pretty easy (fakes an SMTP server locally).

:Denny

-- 
Every creature is a word of God.
Meister Eckhart

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Re: language for mailer

[Carey Duryea]

sorry i didn't realize that it goes into a que or something, and posted three 
times~! how redundant.  i wonder if anyone else has some numeric value examples 
of applicatoins in cf that are sending out mail,  i know its resource dependent 
, like memory on server etc but still,  if you have a dedicated server, how 
would you value the resource usage of sending one email of a certain average 
size per Gig of ram , or whatever resources used to send email,  

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Re: language for mailer

[Dave Watts]

> Coldfusion is definitely my preferred language,  but this is DEFINITELY not 
> about how coldfusion is great. it is, i will not ever
> argue.  what i'm trying to figure out is what can i interface with to create 
> a mailer application.  what technology is going to produce
> 50 to 100 thousand emails an hour out of a typical dedicated server?  does 
> anyone know.  something a little less obscure then
> "coldfusion can do anything" haha

CF uses Javamail under the covers, and Javamail is certainly capable
of this. However, there are differences between Enterprise and
Standard with regard to sending mail, so you will probably need
Enterprise for this. You'll also need a reliable and fast SMTP server
to accept the mail from CF.

All that said, Denny's recommendation to have this done by a
specialized service may be a good idea. Just because you can send lots
of mail from CF doesn't mean that people will get it.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/

Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on
GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
instruction at our training centers, online, or on

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RE: language for mailer

[brad]

If you're asking what kind of load CF can handle as far as sending mail,
I've always gotten the impression it's pretty robust.

The people in this thread claim to be sending 20 thousand E-mails an
hour:

http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:32042#160778

~Brad


 Original Message ----
Subject: Re: language for mailer
From: Carey Duryea 
Date: Sat, January 23, 2010 5:24 pm
To: cf-talk 


Diogenes rather "mad" man sounds like, interesting though

Coldfusion is definitely my preferred language, but this is DEFINITELY
not about how coldfusion is great. it is, i will not ever argue. what
i'm trying to figure out is what can i interface with to create a mailer
application. what technology is going to produce 50 to 100 thousand
emails an hour out of a typical dedicated server? does anyone know.
something a little less obscure then "coldfusion can do anything" haha 




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Re: language for mailer

[Carey Duryea]

Diogenes rather "mad" man sounds like, interesting though

Coldfusion is definitely my preferred language,  but this is DEFINITELY not 
about how coldfusion is great. it is, i will not ever argue.  what i'm trying 
to figure out is what can i interface with to create a mailer application.  
what technology is going to produce 50 to 100 thousand emails an hour out of a 
typical dedicated server?  does anyone know.  something a little less obscure 
then "coldfusion can do anything" haha 



> The question was brought to my light.  if i wanted to build a mailer 
> for the purpose of distributing mail to hundreds of thousands of 
> address.  Would it be possible to build this piece of software in 
> coldfusion? is there any limitation in using coldfusion for this 
> routine? does anyone know what other mail servers use that is the sort 
> of "known" best language for this.  the idea is to create one 
> interface to many server resources, essentially virtualizing the 
> server resource.   Coldfusion is my native language i was just 
> brainstorming here.  


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Re: language for mailer

[Carey Duryea]

Diogenes rather "mad" man sounds like, interesting though

Coldfusion is definitely my preferred language,  but this is DEFINITELY not 
about how coldfusion is great. it is, i will not ever argue.  what i'm trying 
to figure out is what can i interface with to create a mailer application.  
what technology is going to produce 50 to 100 thousand emails an hour out of a 
typical dedicated server?  does anyone know.  something a little less obscure 
then "coldfusion can do anything" haha 

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Re: language for mailer

[denstar]

You can do *anything* with ColdFusion.

ColdFusion is bad-ass.

:DeN

-PS You'll have less headaches if you use a service that specializes
in distributing email for the actual emailing, but if you want a
fast-to-develop, spiffy looking management deal, that can "talk" to a
grip of other stuff, CFML is the language for you!!!

-- 
Wise kings generally have wise counselors; and he must be a wise man
himself who is capable of distinguishing one.
Diogenes

On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Carey  Duryea wrote:
>
> The question was brought to my light.  if i wanted to build a mailer for the 
> purpose of distributing mail to hundreds of thousands of address.  Would it 
> be possible to build this piece of software in coldfusion? is there any 
> limitation in using coldfusion for this routine? does anyone know what other 
> mail servers use that is the sort of "known" best language for this.  the 
> idea is to create one interface to many server resources, essentially 
> virtualizing the server resource.   Coldfusion is my native language i was 
> just brainstorming here.
>
> 

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language for mailer

[Carey Duryea]

The question was brought to my light.  if i wanted to build a mailer for the 
purpose of distributing mail to hundreds of thousands of address.  Would it be 
possible to build this piece of software in coldfusion? is there any limitation 
in using coldfusion for this routine? does anyone know what other mail servers 
use that is the sort of "known" best language for this.  the idea is to create 
one interface to many server resources, essentially virtualizing the server 
resource.   Coldfusion is my native language i was just brainstorming here.  

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