[cfaussie] Paypal Integration

2007-02-25 Thread Brett Payne-Rhodes

Hi,

Can anyone recommend where to start with Paypal payments integration?

What with the SDK and options for IPN, PDT and an API its all a bit 
confusing... Not to mention all the forum posts complaining about things not 
working!

Basically, I have a shopping cart and need to let people make payments via 
Paypal and would prefer immediate payment verification (as per Camtech). I 
thought it would be easy as - and maybe it will be...


Many thanks,

Brett
B)


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[cfaussie] Re: CFCHART not displaying in browser

2007-02-25 Thread Steve Onnis
Figured out what it was.  I had to register the connector with the site.
Looks like it wont work without the JRunScripts virtual directory.

 

Go figure

 

Steve

 

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Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CFCHART not displaying in browser

 

I had some issue in 6.1 and was told that an extra slash before CFIDE fixed
the issue. Here was my work around for that







http://#HTTP_HOST#//CFIDE/GraphData')>
#fixChart#

 

On 2/26/07, Steve Onnis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Just wondering if anyone else has come across this issue and if there
is a way to get around it.

I am working on a dev system i have running on my intranet which is a
Windows2000 server OS and CF7.  I have set up a new site in IIS and 
edited the hosts file so that the host header can be resolved.  I have
also edited the hosts file on the server in the same manner and i can
call up the site on the server no probs.

I can do a CFHTTP on the site and it resolves fine but when i run 
CFHART the image is broken.  I have created a virtual directory called
CFIDE in the new site but it doesnt seem to do anything.  The graph
runs and the image gets created but it just wont display.

Anyone got any ideas? 

Regards
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[cfaussie] Re: CFCHART not displaying in browser

2007-02-25 Thread AJ Mercer
I had some issue in 6.1 and was told that an extra slash before CFIDE fixed
the issue. Here was my work around for that






http://#HTTP_HOST#//CFIDE/GraphData')>
#fixChart#


On 2/26/07, Steve Onnis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Just wondering if anyone else has come across this issue and if there
> is a way to get around it.
>
> I am working on a dev system i have running on my intranet which is a
> Windows2000 server OS and CF7.  I have set up a new site in IIS and
> edited the hosts file so that the host header can be resolved.  I have
> also edited the hosts file on the server in the same manner and i can
> call up the site on the server no probs.
>
> I can do a CFHTTP on the site and it resolves fine but when i run
> CFHART the image is broken.  I have created a virtual directory called
> CFIDE in the new site but it doesnt seem to do anything.  The graph
> runs and the image gets created but it just wont display.
>
> Anyone got any ideas?
>
> Regards
> Steve Onnis
>
>
> >
>


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[cfaussie] CFCHART not displaying in browser

2007-02-25 Thread Steve Onnis

Just wondering if anyone else has come across this issue and if there
is a way to get around it.

I am working on a dev system i have running on my intranet which is a
Windows2000 server OS and CF7.  I have set up a new site in IIS and
edited the hosts file so that the host header can be resolved.  I have
also edited the hosts file on the server in the same manner and i can
call up the site on the server no probs.

I can do a CFHTTP on the site and it resolves fine but when i run
CFHART the image is broken.  I have created a virtual directory called
CFIDE in the new site but it doesnt seem to do anything.  The graph
runs and the image gets created but it just wont display.

Anyone got any ideas?

Regards
Steve Onnis


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[cfaussie] Re: You're all invited to CFUG Auckland

2007-02-25 Thread Scott Barnes

very cool!

On 2/26/07, David Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> just thought I'd let you know about this in case you are interested.
>
> Ray Camden is going to present to the CFUG Auckland group about "Spry
> and ColdFusion"  via Adobe Connect (product formally known as Breeze)
> on Thursday 1st March (this week)
>
> The presentation will start at 5:45pm NZ time with some industry news,
> and Ray's presentation kicking off at 6pm NZ time.
>
> The URL for the meeting will be on the www.cfug.co.nz site soon and
> will be open for anyone wanting to attend remotely.
>
> The meeting will be recorded, as long as I remember to hit the
> "record" button, so you'll be able to look at it later if you miss the
> meeting.
>
> Cheers,
>
> David
>
>
> >
>


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[cfaussie] You're all invited to CFUG Auckland

2007-02-25 Thread David Harris

Hi everyone,

just thought I'd let you know about this in case you are interested.

Ray Camden is going to present to the CFUG Auckland group about "Spry
and ColdFusion"  via Adobe Connect (product formally known as Breeze)
on Thursday 1st March (this week)

The presentation will start at 5:45pm NZ time with some industry news,
and Ray's presentation kicking off at 6pm NZ time.

The URL for the meeting will be on the www.cfug.co.nz site soon and
will be open for anyone wanting to attend remotely.

The meeting will be recorded, as long as I remember to hit the
"record" button, so you'll be able to look at it later if you miss the
meeting.

Cheers,

David


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[cfaussie] Re: CF and .NET (Followup).

2007-02-25 Thread Scott Barnes

yeah, sadly i am :P

On 2/26/07, Andrew Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Scott are you subscribed to the cfwatercooler group?
>
>
>
> Andrew Scott
> Senior Coldfusion Developer
> Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
> www.aegeon.com.au
> Phone:+613 8676 4223
> Mobile: 0404 998 273
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>
>
> >
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[cfaussie] Re: CF and .NET (Followup).

2007-02-25 Thread Andrew Scott

Scott are you subscribed to the cfwatercooler group?



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[cfaussie] Re: CF and .NET (Followup).

2007-02-25 Thread Scott Barnes

hehehehe


On 2/26/07, Mark Stanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Interoperability - The ability of two or more systems, or components
> > to exchange information, and to use the information that has been
> > exchanged
>
> Good to see someone over there knows what the word means...
>
> (Why oh why am I getting drawn into this tragedy/comedy.)
>
> On 2/23/07, Scott Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Well said Charlie :)
> >
> > Just going out on a limb here, but ol Adobe must of had a reason to
> > make Coldfusion 8 interop with .NET.
> >
> > Interoperability - The ability of two or more systems, or components
> > to exchange information, and to use the information that has been
> > exchanged
> >
> > Did you know JJ Allaire works for MSFT - does that mean he has to hand
> > in his Coldfusion badge too?
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2/23/07, Charlie Arehart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey, wait, why am I being pulled into this? :-)
> > >
> > > While I did record videos on that topic for MS while I was with New 
> > > Atlanta,
> > > I am not involved in this upcoming webcast Scott has mentioned. I imagine
> > > someone from New Atlanta may be repeating what I did before, of course.
> > >
> > > And FWIW, I will note that it's about how to integrate CFML and .NET. It's
> > > not at all about how to "move off CFML to .NET". I'll admit that the crux 
> > > of
> > > that campaign is of that sort. When I was first asked to do it (almost a
> > > year ago exactly), I was a little put off by the "how to move off"
> > > JSP/PHP/CFM nature of the campaign. Fortunately, I was able to offer the
> > > talk I did which was much LESS about leaving and just about making the 
> > > most
> > > of the two together. It was kind of a stealth move, I felt.
> > >
> > > I can't see the new webcasts being any different, so that's at least some
> > > consolation to those who see any connection as "fraternizing with the
> > > enemy". That said, .NET is a platform. Just as CFMX (and BlueDragon 
> > > Server,
> > > and Railo) is built atop Java, BD.NET is built atop .NET. One need not
> > > "leave CFML" to get the benefits of that platform.
> > >
> > > But I'll leave it at that. I'm not trying to "sell" anything either. I 
> > > have
> > > no vested interest in the topic other than to share it as a technical
> > > opportunity for those who could benefit. Indeed, it's why I joined the
> > > company 4 years ago in April (when I had been shown an early alpha of
> > > BD.NET, and after watching BD and its predecessor TagServlet for a couple
> > > years before that).
> > >
> > > But then you see also one of the reasons I chose to move on from the role
> > > and become independent again! :-) Frankly I got tired of the bickering 
> > > that
> > > often arose over any attempts to show this alternative. I knew it was a
> > > compelling alternative for those who had the problems it solved, and I 
> > > could
> > > very successfully demonstrate it to those who gave it serious 
> > > consideration.
> > > And indeed, BD and New Atlanta do continue evolving the product since I 
> > > left
> > > in April, and are about to announce BD 7. With Railo also offering CF7
> > > functionality in a new beta, and the Smith project coming along, there are
> > > clearly plenty of demonstrations of the strength of CFML in the market.
> > >
> > > And now with CF8 coming out with really great new features, it really is a
> > > great time to be in CFML. I for one am very happy to be free to look into
> > > any and all possibilities. As always, I'm just looking for solutions to
> > > problems for my clients, regardless of who can provide them. And that goes
> > > for .NET, too. :-) It's not a zero-sum game, folks. There's a place for
> > > everyone and everything. Just pick what solves your problems, but be open
> > > always to alternatives. That may be all Scott means also.
> > >
> > > But trust me--I understand the sensitivity of bringing up .NET in a CF 
> > > list.
> > > It's like yelling fire in a crowded movie theater. It doesn't matter that
> > > there is no fire. It's just about being sensitive to the way crowds 
> > > respond.
> > > :-)
> > >
> > > And I should add that my talk and preconference seminar at WebDU will 
> > > apply
> > > 100% to CFMX users! :-)
> > >
> > > /Charlie
> > > http://www.carehart.org/blog/
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> > > Of Robin Hilliard
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 8:42 PM
> > > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> > > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CF and .NET (Followup).
> > >
> > >
> > > On 23/02/2007, at 12:10 PM, Scott Barnes wrote:
> > > > Now if we/you want to play the whole MSFT is "Selling" card again, go
> > > > for it, but count me out this time ;)
> > >
> > > Hm, perhaps it's the "learn2asp.net" and "Campaign" in the url that
> > > suggested to some people that this was a "selling" kinda thing...
> > >
> > > Might I suggest "h

[cfaussie] Re: CF and .NET (Followup).

2007-02-25 Thread Scott Barnes

I agree and disagree :)

- I agree the CF community should be grown further and you may ask
"hang on doesn't that throw into the face of ASP.NET" to which I say
yes, but at the same time it has potential to grow the Windows 2003
Server + MSSQL + IIS market some more.

- I disagree there should be a blanket zero tolerance on .NET overall,
as to be openly honest I've had to deal with a lot of .NET integration
with Coldfusion in the past (mainly through COM Objects / CFX Tags or
SOAP) - painful. Now that Coldfusion 8 is pushing the integration,
maybe we can lift the lid on a few things that compliment the
developer out there instead of annoy. There was a reason for Adobe to
put .NET into CFCOMPONENT tag.

- When I posted my previous thread about Microsoft Love, I got an
alarming number of offline users emailing me that they were curious to
expand further into ASP.NET for a number of reasons. Firstly,
understanding the beast, Secondly to up skill their resume some more
and Thirdly, they've reached a peek with Coldfusion and are looking to
jump ship.

Now like it or lump it that's the truth of the matter and while at
heart Coldfusion is a great language (I'm still fighting my own
internal battles with ASP.NET as frankly, I still refer to Coldfusion
as being easier to mould into place) the job market is overwhelming
for the ASP.NET guy out there. People have bills to pay so if some CF
developers want to expand further, I'll help them - something I've
done in the past pre-Microsoft as who am I to judge what is right and
wrong.

- You're underestimating the collective intelligence of everyone here,
as Microsoft means many things to many people, not just ASP.NET. The
link I posted was more focused on interop then migration, but having
said that there is migration path should someone *CHOOSE* to want it.
CFAUSSIE isn't an Adobe run mailing list its been around many years
and we've had all walks of life and flavoured posts to it some have
been relevant other times its been utter crap. What your doing now is
blatantly obvious in that "its either 100% adobe or go away" which
you'll find people generally aren't subscribing to (unless you have
strong affiliation with Adobe, such as CFUG, or consultancy etc).

- ASP.NET lists, you know I actually don't belong to any as yet. I've
been meaning to so I really can't speak on their behalf. Suffice to
say, have you tried this approach yet? or are you more inclined to sit
back and assume it will be the way things will pan out. You won't know
until you try so, you're a CFUG guy, give it a whirl and let us all
know on how it goes.

I've stated all along and I'll state it again, if you have a
presentation that compliments Microsoft products (keep in mind our
entire product range is quite extensive) then let me know and i"ll
nominate you for a session at this years TechEd 07 (MSFT's version of
WebDU I guess).

In closing, Microsoft has a lot of products on offer and I represent a
lot of them so its too dangerous of me to focus on being a pure
ASP.NET marketer as thats not relevant to even the ASP.NET developers
themselves. The best I can do is offer up potential solution pieces
and its your call on how you can string them together.

You need to move past this Microsoft is up to no good angle, as its
getting silly.

On 2/25/07, Darren Tracey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> At the risk of igniting this any further, my original objection was
> more to do with the fact that the page that Scott originally linked to
> has 5 links at the top of the list that are CF related (which is
> good), but they are all "Live Webcasts", available at specific times
> only, each one occuring once over the next 2 weeks.
> All the other links on the page are Not CF specific, or even relevant,
> but are just plain "convert to .Net" material, and are either "On
> Demand Webcasts" or "Virtual Labs", and are convieniently available
> any time you want, as often as you want, and not just at 5am on
> Tuesday morning.
> I'll be checking back to the site after the first couple are done to
> see if the recordings of the CF sessions are offered "On Demand" after
> the sessions.
>
> We need to be encouraging more people out there to start taking up CF
> as a language, not pointing out to the developers we currently have
> that their nearest exit may be behind them.
> There is a shortage of developers out there at the moment, and there
> are businesses clammouring to get them.
> If you have a desperate desire to learn .Net, there are places that
> you'll be able to find on the net that will show you how to do that,
> and the Australian ColdFusion mailing list shouldn't be one of them.
> Converting developers to be .Net developers is Microsoft's job, not
> the ColdFusion community's.
> Postings that promote people to go to .Net shouldn't be accepted here,
> as you can bet that CF promotion isn't tolerated on any .Net lists.
> Even posts that wrap the convert message up in an ever so polite "just
> helping you out" ven

[cfaussie] Re: Free webDU tickets

2007-02-25 Thread Scott Barnes

Agree with the Hilliard, you missed the mark my good man ;)

On 2/26/07, Robin Hilliard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 26/02/2007, at 12:26 AM, Darren Tracey wrote:
> > Microsoft is not an evil empire.
>
> Sorry Darren, that was only 144 words - that gets you three pairs of
> Microsoft "Sparkle" Speedos for the duration of the conference, which
> might not be a good idea in Autumn.
>
> Robin
>
> >
>


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[cfaussie] Re: Free webDU tickets

2007-02-25 Thread Steve Onnis

Interesting vision

Robin giving presentations in a pair of speedos..

-Original Message-
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Of Robin Hilliard
Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 7:06 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Free webDU tickets


On 26/02/2007, at 12:26 AM, Darren Tracey wrote:
> Microsoft is not an evil empire.

Sorry Darren, that was only 144 words - that gets you three pairs of  
Microsoft "Sparkle" Speedos for the duration of the conference, which  
might not be a good idea in Autumn.

Robin




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[cfaussie] Re: CF and .NET (Followup).

2007-02-25 Thread Mark Stanton

> Interoperability - The ability of two or more systems, or components
> to exchange information, and to use the information that has been
> exchanged

Good to see someone over there knows what the word means...

(Why oh why am I getting drawn into this tragedy/comedy.)

On 2/23/07, Scott Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Well said Charlie :)
>
> Just going out on a limb here, but ol Adobe must of had a reason to
> make Coldfusion 8 interop with .NET.
>
> Interoperability - The ability of two or more systems, or components
> to exchange information, and to use the information that has been
> exchanged
>
> Did you know JJ Allaire works for MSFT - does that mean he has to hand
> in his Coldfusion badge too?
>
>
>
> On 2/23/07, Charlie Arehart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Hey, wait, why am I being pulled into this? :-)
> >
> > While I did record videos on that topic for MS while I was with New Atlanta,
> > I am not involved in this upcoming webcast Scott has mentioned. I imagine
> > someone from New Atlanta may be repeating what I did before, of course.
> >
> > And FWIW, I will note that it's about how to integrate CFML and .NET. It's
> > not at all about how to "move off CFML to .NET". I'll admit that the crux of
> > that campaign is of that sort. When I was first asked to do it (almost a
> > year ago exactly), I was a little put off by the "how to move off"
> > JSP/PHP/CFM nature of the campaign. Fortunately, I was able to offer the
> > talk I did which was much LESS about leaving and just about making the most
> > of the two together. It was kind of a stealth move, I felt.
> >
> > I can't see the new webcasts being any different, so that's at least some
> > consolation to those who see any connection as "fraternizing with the
> > enemy". That said, .NET is a platform. Just as CFMX (and BlueDragon Server,
> > and Railo) is built atop Java, BD.NET is built atop .NET. One need not
> > "leave CFML" to get the benefits of that platform.
> >
> > But I'll leave it at that. I'm not trying to "sell" anything either. I have
> > no vested interest in the topic other than to share it as a technical
> > opportunity for those who could benefit. Indeed, it's why I joined the
> > company 4 years ago in April (when I had been shown an early alpha of
> > BD.NET, and after watching BD and its predecessor TagServlet for a couple
> > years before that).
> >
> > But then you see also one of the reasons I chose to move on from the role
> > and become independent again! :-) Frankly I got tired of the bickering that
> > often arose over any attempts to show this alternative. I knew it was a
> > compelling alternative for those who had the problems it solved, and I could
> > very successfully demonstrate it to those who gave it serious consideration.
> > And indeed, BD and New Atlanta do continue evolving the product since I left
> > in April, and are about to announce BD 7. With Railo also offering CF7
> > functionality in a new beta, and the Smith project coming along, there are
> > clearly plenty of demonstrations of the strength of CFML in the market.
> >
> > And now with CF8 coming out with really great new features, it really is a
> > great time to be in CFML. I for one am very happy to be free to look into
> > any and all possibilities. As always, I'm just looking for solutions to
> > problems for my clients, regardless of who can provide them. And that goes
> > for .NET, too. :-) It's not a zero-sum game, folks. There's a place for
> > everyone and everything. Just pick what solves your problems, but be open
> > always to alternatives. That may be all Scott means also.
> >
> > But trust me--I understand the sensitivity of bringing up .NET in a CF list.
> > It's like yelling fire in a crowded movie theater. It doesn't matter that
> > there is no fire. It's just about being sensitive to the way crowds respond.
> > :-)
> >
> > And I should add that my talk and preconference seminar at WebDU will apply
> > 100% to CFMX users! :-)
> >
> > /Charlie
> > http://www.carehart.org/blog/
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> > Of Robin Hilliard
> > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 8:42 PM
> > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CF and .NET (Followup).
> >
> >
> > On 23/02/2007, at 12:10 PM, Scott Barnes wrote:
> > > Now if we/you want to play the whole MSFT is "Selling" card again, go
> > > for it, but count me out this time ;)
> >
> > Hm, perhaps it's the "learn2asp.net" and "Campaign" in the url that
> > suggested to some people that this was a "selling" kinda thing...
> >
> > Might I suggest "http://billsdevlounge.org/ charliesexcellentbdstuff.cfm"?
> > :-)
> >
> > Robin
> >
> >
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Scott Barnes
> http://www.mossyblog.com
>
> >
>


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[cfaussie] Re: Fusebox question

2007-02-25 Thread Adam Chapman
Hi Ryan,

 

If your model code was encapsulated in cfcs, you could name your queries
in the controller.. this is how I do it.

 



 

Cheers,

Adam

 

 

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From: Ryan Sabir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, 25 February 2007 1:45 PM
To: 'cfaussie@googlegroups.com'
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Fusebox question

 

Thanks Robin,

 

That all makes sense, but here's the bit I think I've missed... how do I
specify "the variable name the controller sets up for the view".

 

At the moment in my model, a query looks like this:

 



 

In this case the model itself is setting the name of the variable. How
do I get the controller to specify this?

 

Is it as simple as setting a request variable in the controller
'request.eventObjectName' and passing that down the line? That means
I'll have to evaluate() it at run time, a possible performance hit.

 

Or is there a FuseBox structure that can hold this object until its
needed?

 

thanks.

 

 


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From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Hilliard
Sent: Saturday, 24 February 2007 4:43 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Fusebox question

On 23/02/2007, at 1:55 PM, Ryan Sabir wrote:

This seems to me to be breaking the whole modularity of
my solution, as the view is expecting a query object named 'qGetEvent',
in order to display its data. I feel like I've missed something
fundamental in the Fusebox docs that will explain to me how to pass that
query object down the line as a generic object, ratehr than a
specifically named variable.

 

Whats the trick?

 

Hi Ryan,

 

You have to have _some_ dependencies in an application to make
it work, the trick is to eliminate the most harmful ones.  Dependencies
from the UI back to the business logic/data (as you have here) are fine,
as long as the variable name the controller sets up for the view stays
fixed - as long as the control stuff doesn't need to know anything else
about the view you're fine. 

 

It's like using a post office box to send a letter to someone...

 

(you don't know who and don't want to know)

 

...you agree on the format of the letter...

 

(value objects, query column names and types)

 

...and a post office box.

 

(a variable name). 

 

When you have a letter to send you drop it into the post office
box, and you don't care or know if anyone picks it up.  

 

What you avoid doing this is having to address the letter to a
specific, concrete individual... 

 

(this would be like rendering bits of html or calling a function
or tag specific

 to the current incarnation of the UI)

 

...from the UI...

 

(a flighty crowd with high staff turnover - UI and other
interfaces

change far more often than business logic)

 

...if you did that, you'd have to keep changing your process to
address the letter, impacting your otherwise highly reusable letter
addressing process.

 

(i.e. your business logic)

 

 







If this sort of analogy appeals and you'd like to hear more,
this is pretty much an extract from my MAX Asia architecture talk that
I'm repeating at WebDU next month.  It's about MVC and Flex but applies
to ColdFusion too.

 

Cheers,

Robin

 

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Director - RocketBoots Pty Ltd

Consulting . Recruitment . Software Licensing . Training

http://www.rocketboots.com.au

 

For schedule/availability call Pamela Higgins:

w+61 7 5451 0362

m+61 419 677 151

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e[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

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[cfaussie] Re: Free webDU tickets

2007-02-25 Thread Robin Hilliard

On 26/02/2007, at 12:26 AM, Darren Tracey wrote:
> Microsoft is not an evil empire.

Sorry Darren, that was only 144 words - that gets you three pairs of  
Microsoft "Sparkle" Speedos for the duration of the conference, which  
might not be a good idea in Autumn.

Robin

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[cfaussie] Re: Free webDU tickets

2007-02-25 Thread Darren Tracey

Microsoft is not an evil empire.
Microsoft is a large, intelligent, well informed business, who's
objective is to grow its business in any way that it legally can.
It can, and should, take any opportunity to take advantage of any
weakness or business mistake that any current or potential competitor
makes, and exploit it to the maximum benefit for itself and its
shareholders. Should any competing business wish to follow a similar
objective, then it should reduce and eliminate any weaknesses or
business mistakes that a company like Microsoft could take advantage
of.
Microsoft is not Evil, its just very good at doing what it does,
especially if its competitors allow it.

Furthermore, if Microsoft want to pay for my webDU ticket and provide
me with 3 Microsoft shirts, I'll wear them for the duration of the
conference, while I'm at conference events.

Darren

On Feb 23, 6:07 pm, "Scott Barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I floated the idea internally - MSFT will sponsor one person to WebDU
> if they can write a 255 words or more on why MSFT are not evil empire
> ;)
>
> I'll let you know if the funding gets approved ;) heheh.
>
> On 2/23/07, Barry Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
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>
> > wot, so you can survive being on the turps all night when you're there?
>
> > Ahhh... if that sound like the voice of experiance and lessons learnt,
> > I couldn't possibly say...
>
> > On 2/23/07, Mark Stanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > any other tips I've forgotten?
>
> > > Get plenty of sleep and drink lots of water before you come. It can be
> > > a very tiring and dehydrating experience.
>
> > > --
> > > Mark Stanton
> > > Gruden Pty Ltd
> > >http://www.gruden.com
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[cfaussie] Re: Fusebox question

2007-02-25 Thread Robin Hilliard
(Sitting here burning DVDs for tomorrow's Flex course, may as well  
answer this now :-)

On 25/02/2007, at 1:45 PM, Ryan Sabir wrote:
> Thanks Robin,
>
> That all makes sense, but here's the bit I think I've missed... how  
> do I specify "the variable name the controller sets up for the view".
...
>  Is it as simple as setting a request variable in the controller  
> 'request.eventObjectName' and passing that down the line?

Yes, that's pretty much it at it's essence - you all agree on the  
names of the variables and their contents, and that becomes the  
interface/contract/post box number shared by the business logic and  
the view - you could write it down in some code comments if you  
wanted it to feel a bit more like a real interface, or you could make  
a 'model' cfc that you put in the request scope (or even in the  
session scope if scaling to a cluster is unlikely - I suggested this  
in my last Webdu talk with stateful view helper cfcs) to make the  
property names more formal.

This is all in complete ignorance of how the more recent versions of  
Fusebox pass data to the view.  But regardless, if I was doing a  
vanilla MVC-style CF app, I'd be doing the above.

> That means I'll have to evaluate() it at run time, a possible  
> performance hit.

I don't see why unless its something Fusebox specific - firstly the  
variable names shouldn't be changing (that's the point, the model  
variable names will outlive the current incarnation of the view code  
so there's no harm in the view hard coding these variable names for  
the duration of it's relatively short and brutish life), and secondly  
there's always the [ ] notation for accessing stuff in a scope or  
struct.

Ah, the last DVD finished, I am going to bed :)

Robin



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[cfaussie] Re: CF and .NET (Followup).

2007-02-25 Thread Darren Tracey

At the risk of igniting this any further, my original objection was
more to do with the fact that the page that Scott originally linked to
has 5 links at the top of the list that are CF related (which is
good), but they are all "Live Webcasts", available at specific times
only, each one occuring once over the next 2 weeks.
All the other links on the page are Not CF specific, or even relevant,
but are just plain "convert to .Net" material, and are either "On
Demand Webcasts" or "Virtual Labs", and are convieniently available
any time you want, as often as you want, and not just at 5am on
Tuesday morning.
I'll be checking back to the site after the first couple are done to
see if the recordings of the CF sessions are offered "On Demand" after
the sessions.

We need to be encouraging more people out there to start taking up CF
as a language, not pointing out to the developers we currently have
that their nearest exit may be behind them.
There is a shortage of developers out there at the moment, and there
are businesses clammouring to get them.
If you have a desperate desire to learn .Net, there are places that
you'll be able to find on the net that will show you how to do that,
and the Australian ColdFusion mailing list shouldn't be one of them.
Converting developers to be .Net developers is Microsoft's job, not
the ColdFusion community's.
Postings that promote people to go to .Net shouldn't be accepted here,
as you can bet that CF promotion isn't tolerated on any .Net lists.
Even posts that wrap the convert message up in an ever so polite "just
helping you out" veneer.

Darren
Who'd like to get his own popcorn and jaffas when he gets a chance.

On Feb 23, 6:06 pm, "Scott Barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well said Charlie :)
>
> Just going out on a limb here, but ol Adobe must of had a reason to
> make Coldfusion 8 interop with .NET.
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[cfaussie] Re: Fusebox question

2007-02-25 Thread Brett Payne-Rhodes

Hi Ryan,

You should avoid having the controller making database calls if at all 
possible. The controller is like any good manager - knows what is going on and 
what is supposed to happen next, but never gets his hands dirty!

The controller knows only that there is something to be done, and probably 
knows what it needs to be done to (via URL or form variables)... So in calling 
the 'model' it should simply be specifying the what and the who, the model 
should be responsible for handling the how - including doing it's own database 
calls as necessary. And if that means that for some reason you wind up with the 
call being done twice for some good business reason, then unless it is a 
*really* high traffic site then take the hit and keep the two parts of the 
application independent. That goes for the 'view' as well.

This took me a while to come to terms with but once you get it straight it 
works quite well.

Brett
B)


Ryan Sabir wrote:
> Thanks Robin,
>  
> That all makes sense, but here's the bit I think I've missed... how do I 
> specify "the variable name the controller sets up for the view".
>  
> At the moment in my model, a query looks like this:
>  
> 
>  
> In this case the model itself is setting the name of the variable. How do I 
> get the controller to specify this?
>  
> Is it as simple as setting a request variable in the controller 
> 'request.eventObjectName' and passing that down the line? That means I'll 
> have to evaluate() it at run time, a possible performance hit.
>  
> Or is there a FuseBox structure that can hold this object until its needed?
>  
> thanks.
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin 
> Hilliard
> Sent: Saturday, 24 February 2007 4:43 PM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Fusebox question
> 
> 
> On 23/02/2007, at 1:55 PM, Ryan Sabir wrote:
> This seems to me to be breaking the whole modularity of my solution, as the 
> view is expecting a query object named 'qGetEvent', in order to display its 
> data. I feel like I've missed something fundamental in the Fusebox docs that 
> will explain to me how to pass that query object down the line as a generic 
> object, ratehr than a specifically named variable.
>  
> Whats the trick?
> 
> 
> Hi Ryan,
> 
> 
> You have to have _some_ dependencies in an application to make it work, the 
> trick is to eliminate the most harmful ones.  Dependencies from the UI back 
> to the business logic/data (as you have here) are fine, as long as the 
> variable name the controller sets up for the view stays fixed - as long as 
> the control stuff doesn't need to know anything else about the view you're 
> fine. 
> 
> 
> It's like using a post office box to send a letter to someone...
> 
> 
> (you don't know who and don't want to know)
> 
> 
> ...you agree on the format of the letter...
> 
> 
> (value objects, query column names and types)
> 
> 
> ...and a post office box.
> 
> 
> (a variable name). 
> 
> 
> When you have a letter to send you drop it into the post office box, and you 
> don't care or know if anyone picks it up.  
> 
> 
> What you avoid doing this is having to address the letter to a specific, 
> concrete individual... 
> 
> 
> (this would be like rendering bits of html or calling a function or tag 
> specific
>  to the current incarnation of the UI)
> 
> 
> ...from the UI...
> 
> 
> (a flighty crowd with high staff turnover - UI and other interfaces
> change far more often than business logic)
> 
> 
> ...if you did that, you'd have to keep changing your process to address the 
> letter, impacting your otherwise highly reusable letter addressing process.
> 
> 


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[cfaussie] Re: Fusebox question

2007-02-25 Thread Toby Tremayne
Hi Ryan,

the way I write most of my fusebox apps these days is to build the  
entire model in CFCs, and use invoke calls where I used to use act_  
and qry_ calls.  This is useful for a number of reasons and  
specifically will answer your below query by allowing you to set the  
name of a query at the time you call the object.  For example:





That help?

Toby

On 25/02/2007, at 13:45 , Ryan Sabir wrote:

> Thanks Robin,
>
> That all makes sense, but here's the bit I think I've missed... how  
> do I specify "the variable name the controller sets up for the view".
>
> At the moment in my model, a query looks like this:
>
> 
>
> In this case the model itself is setting the name of the variable.  
> How do I get the controller to specify this?
>
> Is it as simple as setting a request variable in the controller  
> 'request.eventObjectName' and passing that down the line? That  
> means I'll have to evaluate() it at run time, a possible  
> performance hit.
>
> Or is there a FuseBox structure that can hold this object until its  
> needed?
>
> thanks.
>
>
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
> On Behalf Of Robin Hilliard
> Sent: Saturday, 24 February 2007 4:43 PM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Fusebox question
>
> On 23/02/2007, at 1:55 PM, Ryan Sabir wrote:
>> This seems to me to be breaking the whole modularity of my  
>> solution, as the view is expecting a query object named  
>> 'qGetEvent', in order to display its data. I feel like I've missed  
>> something fundamental in the Fusebox docs that will explain to me  
>> how to pass that query object down the line as a generic object,  
>> ratehr than a specifically named variable.
>>
>> Whats the trick?
>
> Hi Ryan,
>
> You have to have _some_ dependencies in an application to make it  
> work, the trick is to eliminate the most harmful ones.   
> Dependencies from the UI back to the business logic/data (as you  
> have here) are fine, as long as the variable name the controller  
> sets up for the view stays fixed - as long as the control stuff  
> doesn't need to know anything else about the view you're fine.
>
> It's like using a post office box to send a letter to someone...
>
> (you don't know who and don't want to know)
>
> ...you agree on the format of the letter...
>
> (value objects, query column names and types)
>
> ...and a post office box.
>
> (a variable name).
>
> When you have a letter to send you drop it into the post office  
> box, and you don't care or know if anyone picks it up.
>
> What you avoid doing this is having to address the letter to a  
> specific, concrete individual...
>
> (this would be like rendering bits of html or calling a function or  
> tag specific
>  to the current incarnation of the UI)
>
> ...from the UI...
>
> (a flighty crowd with high staff turnover - UI and other interfaces
> change far more often than business logic)
>
> ...if you did that, you'd have to keep changing your process to  
> address the letter, impacting your otherwise highly reusable letter  
> addressing process.
>
> (i.e. your business logic)
>
>
>
> If this sort of analogy appeals and you'd like to hear more, this  
> is pretty much an extract from my MAX Asia architecture talk that  
> I'm repeating at WebDU next month.  It's about MVC and Flex but  
> applies to ColdFusion too.
>
> Cheers,
> Robin
>
> __
>
> Robin Hilliard
> Director - RocketBoots Pty Ltd
> Consulting . Recruitment . Software Licensing . Training
> http://www.rocketboots.com.au
>
> For schedule/availability call Pamela Higgins:
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> m+61 419 677 151
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>
> or Direct:
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>
>
>
> >



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