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[cfaussie] Re: Flash Charts

2007-04-09 Thread Steve Onnis

Why don't you just make them PNG format?
 
Otherwise there is a config process where you can turn them off.  You need
to use the [cfinstall]\charting\webcharts.bat tool to creates an XML file
and add a style attribute to your chart and load the xml into it.

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I'm creating flash charts and they have that nice function where the bar
graphs grow.  Is there any way to turn this off as its now becoming anoying.

Brian 


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[cfaussie] Re: Flash Charts

2007-04-09 Thread Dale Fraser

Format = "png"

 

Regards

Dale Fraser

 

http://dale.fraser.id.au/blog

 

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I'm creating flash charts and they have that nice function where the bar
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[cfaussie] Re: CF8 :: Australian Tour?

2007-04-09 Thread Mike Kear

I wouldnt brag too much Scott.  I'm a Microsoft Partner and i'm still
waiting to see an invitation to preview and prepare for the sale of
Vista.

5 phone calls to the partner unit has come to nothing.

But you're right - if they want us to sell up CF8, they'd better be
organising some launch activities for developers, or they'll find
we'll all be saying "no need to upgrade best stay with what you konw.

Having said that, I have no doubt Adobe are organising such things.
But at Webdu, Tim Buntel was saying the launch was "mid year, I
think".so that's hardly definite enough to be announcing any
launch activities is it.No doubt once the product launch date is
announced, Adobe will be announcing launch activities, hopefully
including us developers as part of it.

Cheers
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Windsor, NSW, Australia
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On 4/10/07, Scott Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> the fact you guys need to ask...
>
> *slaps Adobe, hire spaulding to be your local evangelist and get cracking
> and inform the troops*...
>
>
>
> On 4/10/07, David Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > I've been wondering this to...
> > ...except with "Australian + NZ Tour" ;-)
> >
> > On Apr 10, 10:47 am, "AJ Mercer" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Does any one know if anything will be happening in Australia to promote
> the
> > > CF 8 release?
> > >
> > > Mr Forta is touring the US of
> Ahttp://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/events/
> >
> >
> > http://www.mossyblog.com
> > > >
> >
>

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[cfaussie] Flash Charts

2007-04-09 Thread KNOTT, Brian

I'm creating flash charts and they have that nice function where the bar
graphs grow.  Is there any way to turn this off as its now becoming
anoying.

Brian

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[cfaussie] Re: CF8 :: Australian Tour?

2007-04-09 Thread Scott Barnes

the fact you guys need to ask...

*slaps Adobe, hire spaulding to be your local evangelist and get cracking
and inform the troops*...



On 4/10/07, David Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> I've been wondering this to...
> ...except with "Australian + NZ Tour" ;-)
>
> On Apr 10, 10:47 am, "AJ Mercer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Does any one know if anything will be happening in Australia to promote
> the
> > CF 8 release?
> >
> > Mr Forta is touring the US of
> Ahttp://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/events/
>
>
> >
>


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[cfaussie] Re: Your all invited to CFUG Auckland, NZ (again)

2007-04-09 Thread David Harris


Hi Everyone,

the meeting is happening this week, so if any of you want to attend,
go to www.cfug.co.nz for Adobe Connect URL and more details.

Date: Thursday 12/04
Time: 5:55pm NZ time
Topic: Mark Drew on CFEclipse

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> Hi,
>
> for those of you thinking of attending, the meeting has been postponed
> a week because of Easter.www.cfug.co.nzfor more details
>
> See you in a week!
>
> On Mar 28, 8:10 am, "David Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > This time the topic is CFEclipse, to be presented by...[drum roll
> > please] Mark Drew!
>
> > Seewww.cfug.co.nzfordetails, and I'll post the Connect URL there
> > early next week.


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[cfaussie] Re: validating an ABN

2007-04-09 Thread Simon Haddon

The only troube with building up a local cache is then you hae to keep the
cache current. I would create a hybrid solution that did internal checking
first.

On 10/04/07, Mark Stanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> Hi Stephen
>
> The web service is pretty damn fast (<500ms for the round trip), but
> if you are worried about performance you could validate the format
> and/or build up a local cache of ABNs that have passed validation
> already.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Mark
>
> On 4/10/07, Stephen M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I'm thinking that the best idea would be to do both, first validate
> > the number then submit to the web service.  The web service will
> > probably be slow at times, so you wouldn't want to waste time
> > submitting a typo.
> >
> > My approach is to validate, ask the user to check that what they have
> > entered is correct, then submit.
> >
> > regards,
> > Stephen
> >
> > On Apr 9, 2:00 pm, "Stephen M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > So, has anyone got a Cold Fusion ABN validator they can throw me?
> > >
> > > I've found a PHP one, but no luck so far searching for one in CF.
> > >
> > > So far, what I've come up with is
> > >
> > > Len(ABN) eq 11
> > >
> > > which is a bit like Blackadder and Baldrick's s rewrite of Dr.
> > > Johnson's dictionary, stuck on Aardvark
> >
> >
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
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> >
>


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[cfaussie] Re: validating an ABN

2007-04-09 Thread Simon Haddon

Hi,

Yes it looks like it is correct.

On 10/04/07, Robin Hilliard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On 09/04/2007, at 6:58 PM, Simon Haddon wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I did this in an excel spreadsheet years ago.  Initially followed the
> instructions on the ATO website but found they were slightly wrong.
>
> So after a little mucking around and validations against known ABN's I
> came up with a formula that works. (Which is only slightly different to what
> the ATO said anyway).
>
>
> Hi Simon,
> Out of interest is the checksum algorithm currently on the ATO site still
> incorrect?
>
>
> http://ato.gov.au/businesses/content.asp?doc=/content/13187.htm&pc=001/003/021/001/008&mnu=59&mfp=001/003&st=&cy=1
>
> Cheers,
> Robin
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[cfaussie] Re: '' in SQL statement

2007-04-09 Thread Robin Hilliard

Don't forget listQualify() when you're doing this sort of stuff.

Cheers,
Robin


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> Thanks Steve, I knew it was something simple.
>
> Brian
>
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> PreserveSingleQuotes(string)

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[cfaussie] Re: '' in SQL statement

2007-04-09 Thread KNOTT, Brian

Thanks Steve, I knew it was something simple.

Brian

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PreserveSingleQuotes(string)

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Subject: [cfaussie] '' in SQL statement

Whats the quickest way to remove the double ' that appears in sql
statements when you use a CF variable. 

Ie  

Gives me 'jan-07','feb-07','mar-07' 

When its pasted in SQL it becomes 

Select amount 
From table 
Where runDate not in (''jan-07'',''feb-07'',''mar-07'' ) 

Cf statement is 

Select amount 
From table 
Where runDate not in (#forecastDate#) 

Brian 

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[cfaussie] Re: '' in SQL statement

2007-04-09 Thread Steve Onnis

PreserveSingleQuotes(string)

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Subject: [cfaussie] '' in SQL statement

Whats the quickest way to remove the double ' that appears in sql statements
when you use a CF variable. 

Ie  

Gives me 'jan-07','feb-07','mar-07' 

When its pasted in SQL it becomes 

Select amount 
>From table 
Where runDate not in (''jan-07'',''feb-07'',''mar-07'' ) 

Cf statement is 

Select amount 
>From table 
Where runDate not in (#forecastDate#) 

Brian 

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[cfaussie] '' in SQL statement

2007-04-09 Thread KNOTT, Brian

Whats the quickest way to remove the double ' that appears in sql
statements when you use a CF variable.

Ie 

Gives me 'jan-07','feb-07','mar-07' 

When its pasted in SQL it becomes

Select amount
From table
Where runDate not in (''jan-07'',''feb-07'',''mar-07'' )

Cf statement is

Select amount
From table
Where runDate not in (#forecastDate#)

Brian

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[cfaussie] Re: Heaps of CF work in the ACT?

2007-04-09 Thread Andrew Scott

LOL,

 

Actually Dale, if you read any standard NDA it is there. I am under NDA for
a product being developed at work, and although I do not work on the project
I had to sign the NDA as I am in ear shot of the developers I guess.  And
the stupid thing is that they are even tighter in house than you would
expect, even though I signed my first born over I still get feed a can of
mushrooms as they wave goodbye while switching the light off and throwing a
bag of horse manure out after me.

 

Oh what fun..

 



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Senior Coldfusion Developer
Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
www.aegeon.com.au
Phone: +613  8676 4223
Mobile: 0404 998 273

 

 

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Of Dale Fraser
Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2007 12:50 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Heaps of CF work in the ACT?

 

Andrew (aka Beta Cop),

 

You are implying that you know what's in the NDA thus disclosing you have
read it and thus informing us that you too are on the beta.

 

Naughty, Naughty :)

 

Regards

Dale Fraser

 

http://dale.fraser.id.au/blog

 

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Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2007 12:46 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Heaps of CF work in the ACT?

 

Peter,

 

Ray is different he has permission to do so, you do not. You on the other
hand agreed not to talk about it, and even discussing the fact that you are
beta testing it is against the NDA.

 

But you don't bother to read those things do you?

 



Andrew Scott
Senior Coldfusion Developer
Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
www.aegeon.com.au
Phone: +613  8676 4223
Mobile: 0404 998 273

 

 

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Of Peter Tilbrook
Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2007 12:35 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Heaps of CF work in the ACT?

 


Sorry Andrew, what have I missed here?  Peter said he developed an
application under Scorpio but deployed to 7.x.  Unless I missed that
in the NDA there shouldn't be a problem with making that statement.


Exactly - many public statements have been made to the effect that some beta
testers are actually allowed to host it on public facing servers (Ray Camden
for example). 

 

 



 


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[cfaussie] Re: Heaps of CF work in the ACT?

2007-04-09 Thread Dale Fraser

Andrew (aka Beta Cop),

 

You are implying that you know what's in the NDA thus disclosing you have
read it and thus informing us that you too are on the beta.

 

Naughty, Naughty :)

 

Regards

Dale Fraser

 

http://dale.fraser.id.au/blog

 

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Of Andrew Scott
Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2007 12:46 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Heaps of CF work in the ACT?

 

Peter,

 

Ray is different he has permission to do so, you do not. You on the other
hand agreed not to talk about it, and even discussing the fact that you are
beta testing it is against the NDA.

 

But you don't bother to read those things do you?

 



Andrew Scott
Senior Coldfusion Developer
Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
www.aegeon.com.au
Phone: +613  8676 4223
Mobile: 0404 998 273

 

 

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Peter Tilbrook
Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2007 12:35 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Heaps of CF work in the ACT?

 


Sorry Andrew, what have I missed here?  Peter said he developed an
application under Scorpio but deployed to 7.x.  Unless I missed that
in the NDA there shouldn't be a problem with making that statement.


Exactly - many public statements have been made to the effect that some beta
testers are actually allowed to host it on public facing servers (Ray Camden
for example). 

 





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[cfaussie] Re: Heaps of CF work in the ACT?

2007-04-09 Thread Andrew Scott

Peter,

 

Ray is different he has permission to do so, you do not. You on the other
hand agreed not to talk about it, and even discussing the fact that you are
beta testing it is against the NDA.

 

But you don't bother to read those things do you?

 



Andrew Scott
Senior Coldfusion Developer
Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
  www.aegeon.com.au
Phone: +613  8676 4223
Mobile: 0404 998 273

 

 

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Of Peter Tilbrook
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Sorry Andrew, what have I missed here?  Peter said he developed an
application under Scorpio but deployed to 7.x.  Unless I missed that
in the NDA there shouldn't be a problem with making that statement.


Exactly - many public statements have been made to the effect that some beta
testers are actually allowed to host it on public facing servers (Ray Camden
for example). 




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[cfaussie] Re: Heaps of CF work in the ACT?

2007-04-09 Thread Peter Tilbrook

>
>
> Sorry Andrew, what have I missed here?  Peter said he developed an
> application under Scorpio but deployed to 7.x.  Unless I missed that
> in the NDA there shouldn't be a problem with making that statement.


Exactly - many public statements have been made to the effect that some beta
testers are actually allowed to host it on public facing servers (Ray Camden
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[cfaussie] Re: validating an ABN

2007-04-09 Thread Andrew Scott


Mark,

Thanks I am very well aware of what the ABN signifies, or did you not read
the question properly.

As far as the wrong ABN number on forms yes I am aware of that, but until
this discussion I wasn't even aware that the ABN has a checksum style
attribute embeded in the number.


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> So this begs the question, what is really so special about the number that
> needs validating?

An ABN is one way of establishing identity. It's like to a drivers
licence or social security number for companies (except that the
information associated with it is public). In my mind it is different
to a phone number in this respect. It is one thing to have a number
that matches the pattern of an ABN, it is another to have an verified,
active ABN, because from there you can gather all sorts of other
information like GST status, registered address, trading name, etc...

If you need to do business with other companies this is very important.

Imagine you provide financing for company cars and I'm on your website
filling out some forms to set up a new lease. If I make an honest
mistake and get a couple of digits wrong on my ABN, this is going to
impact the validity of the lease agreement and the correctness of your
accounting.

Add to this that I could deliberately be providing you with an ABN
that looks right, but isn't ok for business (e.g.
http://tinyurl.com/23rxso).


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[cfaussie] Re: validating an ABN

2007-04-09 Thread Mark Stanton


> So this begs the question, what is really so special about the number that
> needs validating?

An ABN is one way of establishing identity. It's like to a drivers
licence or social security number for companies (except that the
information associated with it is public). In my mind it is different
to a phone number in this respect. It is one thing to have a number
that matches the pattern of an ABN, it is another to have an verified,
active ABN, because from there you can gather all sorts of other
information like GST status, registered address, trading name, etc...

If you need to do business with other companies this is very important.

Imagine you provide financing for company cars and I'm on your website
filling out some forms to set up a new lease. If I make an honest
mistake and get a couple of digits wrong on my ABN, this is going to
impact the validity of the lease agreement and the correctness of your
accounting.

Add to this that I could deliberately be providing you with an ABN
that looks right, but isn't ok for business (e.g.
http://tinyurl.com/23rxso).


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[cfaussie] Re: validating an ABN

2007-04-09 Thread Robin Hilliard

On 09/04/2007, at 6:58 PM, Simon Haddon wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I did this in an excel spreadsheet years ago.  Initially followed  
> the instructions on the ATO website but found they were slightly  
> wrong.
>
> So after a little mucking around and validations against known  
> ABN's I came up with a formula that works. (Which is only slightly  
> different to what the ATO said anyway).

Hi Simon,

Out of interest is the checksum algorithm currently on the ATO site  
still incorrect?

http://ato.gov.au/businesses/content.asp?doc=/content/ 
13187.htm&pc=001/003/021/001/008&mnu=59&mfp=001/003&st=&cy=1

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[cfaussie] Re: validating an ABN

2007-04-09 Thread Andrew Scott


You know I did not realise that the ABN number had a structure, I thought it
was just a given number that is unique to that business and is either
recycled or incremented.

So this begs the question, what is really so special about the number that
needs validating?



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Hi Stephen

The web service is pretty damn fast (<500ms for the round trip), but
if you are worried about performance you could validate the format
and/or build up a local cache of ABNs that have passed validation
already.


Cheers

Mark

On 4/10/07, Stephen M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm thinking that the best idea would be to do both, first validate
> the number then submit to the web service.  The web service will
> probably be slow at times, so you wouldn't want to waste time
> submitting a typo.
>
> My approach is to validate, ask the user to check that what they have
> entered is correct, then submit.
>
> regards,
> Stephen
>
> On Apr 9, 2:00 pm, "Stephen M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > So, has anyone got a Cold Fusion ABN validator they can throw me?
> >
> > I've found a PHP one, but no luck so far searching for one in CF.
> >
> > So far, what I've come up with is
> >
> > Len(ABN) eq 11
> >
> > which is a bit like Blackadder and Baldrick's s rewrite of Dr.
> > Johnson's dictionary, stuck on Aardvark
>
>
> >
>


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[cfaussie] Re: Heaps of CF work in the ACT?

2007-04-09 Thread Andrew Scott


The fact that he is beta testing Scorpio is against the NDA he agreed too.

He has been big noting this fact for awhile now, and he needs to stop
breaking the NDA.


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Huh?

Sorry Andrew, what have I missed here?  Peter said he developed an
application under Scorpio but deployed to 7.x.  Unless I missed that
in the NDA there shouldn't be a problem with making that statement.

Peter, you should have still applied for the other "better" job and
then asked for a delay in your start date.  This would mean you have a
new job lined up and also a chance to get your current project
finished.  I do get your reservation about moving though.

Cheers
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[cfaussie] Re: validating an ABN

2007-04-09 Thread Andrew Scott

LOL,

Yes Mark...

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Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2007 7:05 AM
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Subject: [cfaussie] Re: validating an ABN

Oh.  I was not trying to be sarcastic at any time.  I was just trying to
help

On 10/04/07, Simon Haddon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 > wrote:

That is one thing that the web service can do that standard validations
can't do.  I was trying to help with the original request made by Stephen.
The web service has the advantage of giving back other information too.
Like company name, history, etc.  

Not all applications can call web services however.  Sometimes there are
wierd firwall rules in place.  Especially in Government departments.  I know
that the web server that I deploy my latest application on cannot make http
requests going out.  Really sucks but is proving a major headache to change
and will likely take years at our current rate of negotiations.  Therefor
the reason to have a CFC. 

On 10/04/07, Andrew Scott < 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

lol,

But Mark ABN's can still be valid and no longer be in use any more, so the
webservice would be the best option. Unless of course you where being
sarcastic :-)

On 4/9/07, Mark Stanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 > wrote: 

> How about using a webservice instead:
>
> http://www.abn.business.gov.au/ABRXMLSearch/

Why bother using an authoritative source when you can spend hours
trying to reverse engineer the business rules and invent your own
method of validation instead? 

On 4/9/07, Andrew Muller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>

>
>
> 
> On 09/04/07, Stephen M < [EMAIL PROTECTED]  >
wrote:
> >
> > So, has anyone got a Cold Fusion ABN validator they can throw me?
> >
> > I've found a PHP one, but no luck so far searching for one in CF. 
> >
> > So far, what I've come up with is
> >
> > Len(ABN) eq 11
> >
> > which is a bit like Blackadder and Baldrick's s rewrite of Dr.
> > Johnson's dictionary, stuck on Aardvark 
> >
> >
> > >
> >
>
>
> ---
> Andrew Muller
> http://www.webqem.com   
>
> linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/1/151/905
>
> >
> 

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-- 

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[cfaussie] Re: validating an ABN

2007-04-09 Thread Mark Stanton


Hi Stephen

The web service is pretty damn fast (<500ms for the round trip), but
if you are worried about performance you could validate the format
and/or build up a local cache of ABNs that have passed validation
already.


Cheers

Mark

On 4/10/07, Stephen M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm thinking that the best idea would be to do both, first validate
> the number then submit to the web service.  The web service will
> probably be slow at times, so you wouldn't want to waste time
> submitting a typo.
>
> My approach is to validate, ask the user to check that what they have
> entered is correct, then submit.
>
> regards,
> Stephen
>
> On Apr 9, 2:00 pm, "Stephen M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > So, has anyone got a Cold Fusion ABN validator they can throw me?
> >
> > I've found a PHP one, but no luck so far searching for one in CF.
> >
> > So far, what I've come up with is
> >
> > Len(ABN) eq 11
> >
> > which is a bit like Blackadder and Baldrick's s rewrite of Dr.
> > Johnson's dictionary, stuck on Aardvark
>
>
> >
>


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[cfaussie] Re: Looking For Programming Job?

2007-04-09 Thread Blair McKenzie

Anyone looking at this shouldn't bother. The website is just google ads and
a google search box.

Blair

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> Find Your Programming Job Vacancy and resources here -->
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>
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[cfaussie] Re: validating an ABN

2007-04-09 Thread Stephen M

I'm thinking that the best idea would be to do both, first validate
the number then submit to the web service.  The web service will
probably be slow at times, so you wouldn't want to waste time
submitting a typo.

My approach is to validate, ask the user to check that what they have
entered is correct, then submit.

regards,
Stephen

On Apr 9, 2:00 pm, "Stephen M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So, has anyone got a Cold Fusion ABN validator they can throw me?
>
> I've found a PHP one, but no luck so far searching for one in CF.
>
> So far, what I've come up with is
>
> Len(ABN) eq 11
>
> which is a bit like Blackadder and Baldrick's s rewrite of Dr.
> Johnson's dictionary, stuck on Aardvark

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[cfaussie] Re: CF8 :: Australian Tour?

2007-04-09 Thread David Harris


I've been wondering this to...
...except with "Australian + NZ Tour" ;-)

On Apr 10, 10:47 am, "AJ Mercer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> Does any one know if anything will be happening in Australia to promote the
> CF 8 release?
>
> Mr Forta is touring the US of 
> Ahttp://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/events/


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[cfaussie] Re: Heaps of CF work in the ACT?

2007-04-09 Thread mark . picker


Huh?

Sorry Andrew, what have I missed here?  Peter said he developed an
application under Scorpio but deployed to 7.x.  Unless I missed that
in the NDA there shouldn't be a problem with making that statement.

Peter, you should have still applied for the other "better" job and
then asked for a delay in your start date.  This would mean you have a
new job lined up and also a chance to get your current project
finished.  I do get your reservation about moving though.

Cheers
Mark

On Apr 10, 1:17 am, "Andrew Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Peter, you are under NDA and you should not be discussing things like that
> with scorpio.
>
> On 4/6/07, ACTCFUG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Show me.
>
> > I've been degraded from $21 per hour to $750 per week (sorry
> > Centrelink) for a totally custom solution.
>
> > Developed under Scorpio but deployed to 7.x
>
> > And this has never been done before so I suppose I should finish
> > despite knocking back a better job.
>
> > Remember the Food Lable application? (that was me)
>
> --
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[cfaussie] CF8 :: Australian Tour?

2007-04-09 Thread AJ Mercer

Hi,

Does any one know if anything will be happening in Australia to promote the
CF 8 release?

Mr Forta is touring the US of A
http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/events/

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[cfaussie] Re: validating an ABN

2007-04-09 Thread Simon Haddon

Oh.  I was not trying to be sarcastic at any time.  I was just trying to
help

On 10/04/07, Simon Haddon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> That is one thing that the web service can do that standard validations
> can't do.  I was trying to help with the original request made by Stephen.
> The web service has the advantage of giving back other information too.
> Like company name, history, etc.
>
> Not all applications can call web services however.  Sometimes there are
> wierd firwall rules in place.  Especially in Government departments.  I know
> that the web server that I deploy my latest application on cannot make http
> requests going out.  Really sucks but is proving a major headache to change
> and will likely take years at our current rate of negotiations.  Therefor
> the reason to have a CFC.
>
>
> On 10/04/07, Andrew Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > lol,
> >
> > But Mark ABN's can still be valid and no longer be in use any more, so
> > the webservice would be the best option. Unless of course you where
> > being sarcastic :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > On 4/9/07, Mark Stanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > How about using a webservice instead:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.abn.business.gov.au/ABRXMLSearch/
> > >
> > > Why bother using an authoritative source when you can spend hours
> > > trying to reverse engineer the business rules and invent your own
> > > method of validation instead?
> > >
> > > On 4/9/07, Andrew Muller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 09/04/07, Stephen M < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > So, has anyone got a Cold Fusion ABN validator they can throw me?
> > > > >
> > > > > I've found a PHP one, but no luck so far searching for one in CF.
> > > > >
> > > > > So far, what I've come up with is
> > > > >
> > > > > Len(ABN) eq 11
> > > > >
> > > > > which is a bit like Blackadder and Baldrick's s rewrite of Dr.
> > > > > Johnson's dictionary, stuck on Aardvark
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > > Andrew Muller
> > > > http://www.webqem.com
> > > >
> > > > linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/1/151/905
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mark Stanton
> > > Gruden Pty Ltd
> > > http://www.gruden.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> > Senior Coldfusion Developer
> > Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
> > www.aegeon.com.au
> > Phone: +613  8676 4223
> > Mobile: 0404 998 273
> > > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Cheers
> Simon Haddon




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[cfaussie] Re: validating an ABN

2007-04-09 Thread Simon Haddon

That is one thing that the web service can do that standard validations
can't do.  I was trying to help with the original request made by Stephen.
The web service has the advantage of giving back other information too.
Like company name, history, etc.

Not all applications can call web services however.  Sometimes there are
wierd firwall rules in place.  Especially in Government departments.  I know
that the web server that I deploy my latest application on cannot make http
requests going out.  Really sucks but is proving a major headache to change
and will likely take years at our current rate of negotiations.  Therefor
the reason to have a CFC.


On 10/04/07, Andrew Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> lol,
>
> But Mark ABN's can still be valid and no longer be in use any more, so the
> webservice would be the best option. Unless of course you where being
> sarcastic :-)
>
>
>
> On 4/9/07, Mark Stanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > How about using a webservice instead:
> > >
> > > http://www.abn.business.gov.au/ABRXMLSearch/
> >
> > Why bother using an authoritative source when you can spend hours
> > trying to reverse engineer the business rules and invent your own
> > method of validation instead?
> >
> > On 4/9/07, Andrew Muller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 09/04/07, Stephen M < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > So, has anyone got a Cold Fusion ABN validator they can throw me?
> > > >
> > > > I've found a PHP one, but no luck so far searching for one in CF.
> > > >
> > > > So far, what I've come up with is
> > > >
> > > > Len(ABN) eq 11
> > > >
> > > > which is a bit like Blackadder and Baldrick's s rewrite of Dr.
> > > > Johnson's dictionary, stuck on Aardvark
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > http://www.webqem.com
> > >
> > > linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/1/151/905
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> > Gruden Pty Ltd
> > http://www.gruden.com
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> www.aegeon.com.au
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[cfaussie] Re: validating an ABN

2007-04-09 Thread Andrew Scott

lol,

But Mark ABN's can still be valid and no longer be in use any more, so the
webservice would be the best option. Unless of course you where being
sarcastic :-)



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>
> > How about using a webservice instead:
> >
> > http://www.abn.business.gov.au/ABRXMLSearch/
>
> Why bother using an authoritative source when you can spend hours
> trying to reverse engineer the business rules and invent your own
> method of validation instead?
>
> On 4/9/07, Andrew Muller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
>
> >
> >
> >
> > On 09/04/07, Stephen M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > So, has anyone got a Cold Fusion ABN validator they can throw me?
> > >
> > > I've found a PHP one, but no luck so far searching for one in CF.
> > >
> > > So far, what I've come up with is
> > >
> > > Len(ABN) eq 11
> > >
> > > which is a bit like Blackadder and Baldrick's s rewrite of Dr.
> > > Johnson's dictionary, stuck on Aardvark
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ---
> > Andrew Muller
> > http://www.webqem.com
> >
> > linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/1/151/905
> >
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Mark Stanton
> Gruden Pty Ltd
> http://www.gruden.com
>
> >
>


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[cfaussie] Re: Heaps of CF work in the ACT?

2007-04-09 Thread Andrew Scott

Peter, you are under NDA and you should not be discussing things like that
with scorpio.

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> Show me.
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> I've been degraded from $21 per hour to $750 per week (sorry
> Centrelink) for a totally custom solution.
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> Developed under Scorpio but deployed to 7.x
>
> And this has never been done before so I suppose I should finish
> despite knocking back a better job.
>
> Remember the Food Lable application? (that was me)
>
>
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>


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[cfaussie] Re: validating an ABN

2007-04-09 Thread Simon Haddon

I can say that my method which follows the ATO rules except for their one
mistake (which they have probably corrected by now) is correct and was used
to assist the ACT Government during the changeover from ACN to ABN.  It is
not happhazard .  It has been verified as correct

Cheers,
Simon

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> Guys I'm not commenting on any specific code or spreadsheet - I'm
> talking about how you are approaching the problem.
>
> On the one hand you have a method that will give you a yes or no
> answer that is guaranteed to be correct. On the other hand you roll
> your own approach that will at best give you something along the lines
> of "I'm really not sure but that looks kinda right".
>
> Yes, there are some cases where a web service or HTTP GET are not
> applicable, but unless you have specific reasons that stops you, the
> ABR web service is the better choice.
>
> --
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> >
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[cfaussie] Re: validating an ABN

2007-04-09 Thread Mark Stanton

Guys I'm not commenting on any specific code or spreadsheet - I'm
talking about how you are approaching the problem.

On the one hand you have a method that will give you a yes or no
answer that is guaranteed to be correct. On the other hand you roll
your own approach that will at best give you something along the lines
of "I'm really not sure but that looks kinda right".

Yes, there are some cases where a web service or HTTP GET are not
applicable, but unless you have specific reasons that stops you, the
ABR web service is the better choice.

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[cfaussie] Re: validating an ABN

2007-04-09 Thread Simon Haddon

Hi Rod,

The comment was cause I misrad the emails and thought that Mark was making a
comment about my ABN excel spreadsheet.  Confusion set in after a long
weekend

Cheers,
Simon

On 09/04/07, Rod Higgins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> Why bother making a comment like that when it adds no value whatsoever to
> the discussion? There are a multitude of reasons why a webservice may not
> either be allowed, be possible or even be preferred to be used.
>
> Thanks for the input Simon I've always wondered how an ABN was generated.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf
> Of Mark Stanton
> Sent: Monday, 9 April 2007 8:16 PM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: validating an ABN
>
>
>
> > How about using a webservice instead:
> >
> > http://www.abn.business.gov.au/ABRXMLSearch/
>
> Why bother using an authoritative source when you can spend hours trying
> to
> reverse engineer the business rules and invent your own method of
> validation
> instead?
>
> On 4/9/07, Andrew Muller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
>
> >
> >
> >
> > On 09/04/07, Stephen M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > So, has anyone got a Cold Fusion ABN validator they can throw me?
> > >
> > > I've found a PHP one, but no luck so far searching for one in CF.
> > >
> > > So far, what I've come up with is
> > >
> > > Len(ABN) eq 11
> > >
> > > which is a bit like Blackadder and Baldrick's s rewrite of Dr.
> > > Johnson's dictionary, stuck on Aardvark
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ---
> > Andrew Muller
> > http://www.webqem.com
> >
> > linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/1/151/905
> >
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Mark Stanton
> Gruden Pty Ltd
> http://www.gruden.com
>
>
>
> >
>


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[cfaussie] Re: validating an ABN

2007-04-09 Thread Rod Higgins


Why bother making a comment like that when it adds no value whatsoever to
the discussion? There are a multitude of reasons why a webservice may not
either be allowed, be possible or even be preferred to be used.

Thanks for the input Simon I've always wondered how an ABN was generated.

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Of Mark Stanton
Sent: Monday, 9 April 2007 8:16 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: validating an ABN



> How about using a webservice instead:
>
> http://www.abn.business.gov.au/ABRXMLSearch/

Why bother using an authoritative source when you can spend hours trying to
reverse engineer the business rules and invent your own method of validation
instead?

On 4/9/07, Andrew Muller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>

>
>
>
> On 09/04/07, Stephen M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > So, has anyone got a Cold Fusion ABN validator they can throw me?
> >
> > I've found a PHP one, but no luck so far searching for one in CF.
> >
> > So far, what I've come up with is
> >
> > Len(ABN) eq 11
> >
> > which is a bit like Blackadder and Baldrick's s rewrite of Dr. 
> > Johnson's dictionary, stuck on Aardvark
> >
> >
> > >
> >
>
>
> ---
> Andrew Muller
> http://www.webqem.com
>
> linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/1/151/905
>
> >
>


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[cfaussie] Re: validating an ABN

2007-04-09 Thread Simon Haddon

Simply cause you might want to use a cfc instead of a web service call.
There could be a variety of reasons for that approach.  Also, once the
business rules are worked out you could also implement in Javascript as
well.

Then again you could use ajax with the below mentioned web service in
conjunction with server side validation.  To be honest I don't care how
Stephen implements it.  Iwas just trying to help

Cheers,
Simon

On 09/04/07, Mark Stanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> > How about using a webservice instead:
> >
> > http://www.abn.business.gov.au/ABRXMLSearch/
>
> Why bother using an authoritative source when you can spend hours
> trying to reverse engineer the business rules and invent your own
> method of validation instead?
>
> On 4/9/07, Andrew Muller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
>
> >
> >
> >
> > On 09/04/07, Stephen M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > So, has anyone got a Cold Fusion ABN validator they can throw me?
> > >
> > > I've found a PHP one, but no luck so far searching for one in CF.
> > >
> > > So far, what I've come up with is
> > >
> > > Len(ABN) eq 11
> > >
> > > which is a bit like Blackadder and Baldrick's s rewrite of Dr.
> > > Johnson's dictionary, stuck on Aardvark
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ---
> > Andrew Muller
> > http://www.webqem.com
> >
> > linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/1/151/905
> >
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Mark Stanton
> Gruden Pty Ltd
> http://www.gruden.com
>
> >
>


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[cfaussie] Re: validating an ABN

2007-04-09 Thread Mark Stanton


> How about using a webservice instead:
>
> http://www.abn.business.gov.au/ABRXMLSearch/

Why bother using an authoritative source when you can spend hours
trying to reverse engineer the business rules and invent your own
method of validation instead?

On 4/9/07, Andrew Muller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>

>
>
>
> On 09/04/07, Stephen M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > So, has anyone got a Cold Fusion ABN validator they can throw me?
> >
> > I've found a PHP one, but no luck so far searching for one in CF.
> >
> > So far, what I've come up with is
> >
> > Len(ABN) eq 11
> >
> > which is a bit like Blackadder and Baldrick's s rewrite of Dr.
> > Johnson's dictionary, stuck on Aardvark
> >
> >
> > >
> >
>
>
> ---
> Andrew Muller
> http://www.webqem.com
>
> linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/1/151/905
>
> >
>


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[cfaussie] Re: validating an ABN

2007-04-09 Thread Simon Haddon

Hi,

I did this in an excel spreadsheet years ago.  Initially followed the
instructions on the ATO website but found they were slightly wrong.

So after a little mucking around and validations against known ABN's I came
up with a formula that works. (Which is only slightly different to what the
ATO said anyway).

Rather than explaining it here I would say just look at the spreadsheet.
The top 1/2 shows how to generate an ABN from an ACN and the 2nd 1/2
validates an ABN.

The only things that I ask is that you create a CFC that is open source and
credits me with doing the initial ground work.  Oh and make the CFC
available to everyone as I am sure there are ppl out there with the same
problems.

The other good thing is that it would be easy to implelement into Javascript
too.

Cheers,
Simon Haddon
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.sibern.com.au

On 09/04/07, Stephen M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> So, has anyone got a Cold Fusion ABN validator they can throw me?
>
> I've found a PHP one, but no luck so far searching for one in CF.
>
> So far, what I've come up with is
>
> Len(ABN) eq 11
>
> which is a bit like Blackadder and Baldrick's s rewrite of Dr.
> Johnson's dictionary, stuck on Aardvark
>
>
> >
>

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