Re: [freenet-chat] talked to ESR

[Rob Cakebread]

On Thursday 02 August 2001 07:49 pm, you wrote:
> Often, when people 'troll' these lists, everyone else ends up putting the
> troller on their email kill lists.
> So over time, the troller gets the feeling that people aren't even
> receiving his emails, whieh they won't be.
> I've never done this, but I am pretty close to doing it with josh

The sad thing is, we aren't being trolled. He's serious.

> David
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tavin Cole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 14:37
> Subject: Re: [freenet-chat] talked to ESR
>
> > On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 05:19:25PM -0700, Josh wrote:
> > > I spoke to Eric Raymond about my managed source idea. He has about the
>
> same
>
> > > thing to say about it as I do. You open source zealots will at least
>
> respect
>
> > > what your own god has to say!!! HA!
> > >
> > > Heres the emails  http://www.mercuryfs.net/esr_email.htm
> >
> > I calculated the ratio of words in your emails to him vs. words in his
> > replies to you:  291:29 or 10:1.
> >
> > Sounds like he was just trying to get you to leave him alone,
> > much like those of us on this list..
> >
> > --
> >
> > ~~  .
> > ~  It is said an eastern monarch once charged his wise men to   ~
> > ~  invent a sentence, to be ever in view, and which should be true  ~
> > ~  and appropriate in all times and situations. They presented him  ~
> > ~  with the words, "And this, too, shall pass away."~
> > ~  ~~
> >
> >
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Re: [freenet-chat] talked to ESR

[Rob Cakebread]

On Thursday 02 August 2001 05:19 pm, you wrote:
> I spoke to Eric Raymond about my managed source idea. He has about the same
> thing to say about it as I do. You open source zealots will at least
> respect what your own god has to say!!! HA!
>
> Heres the emails  http://www.mercuryfs.net/esr_email.htm


What a psycho.



> - josh  (I'm not a member, you must email me direct)
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Re: [freenet-chat] talked to ESR

[Rob Cakebread]

On Thursday 02 August 2001 07:14 pm, you wrote:
> On Thursday 02 August 2001 05:19 pm, you wrote:
> > I spoke to Eric Raymond about my managed source idea. He has about the
> > same thing to say about it as I do. You open source zealots will at least
> > respect what your own god has to say!!! HA!
> >
> > Heres the emails  http://www.mercuryfs.net/esr_email.htm
>
> What a psycho.

Oh brother. Bait and switch too, by the way. The former document describing
his licensing he was flamed to death on here for has all been taken out and 
replaced with something starting with:

WHAT IS MANAGED SOURCE?  8-1-01
Answer: I dont know yet, because Im still defining it.
To understand my method, first understand open source (www.opensource.org). T



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Re: [freenet-chat] Re: p2p = child-endangerment

[Rob Cakebread]

> Here's my reason: the alternative (censorship) is worse.  I would rather
> let my children explore the Internet than a walled-off subset thereof.
> Pixels and sonic vibrations are not harmful.  The ideas they convey may
> be confusing to children, which is why my wife and I are here with them.
> They're certainly too young to be left unsupervised!

The alternative is not censorship of the net, filters etc. The alternative is 
to supervise children. I hate to break it to you but they already are viewing
a walled-off subset of the Internet because you are standing behind
them. I doubt you'll ever have to tell them, "Don't you dare go
to www.double-anal.com!" (I didn't check, but a buck says that
is a real site).

You're offering a different picture now. You said ' I let my kids have 
unrestricted access to the Internet'. Now you're saying you supervise
them, and good for you. You're the only filter that works.

Watching over their shoulder isn't exactly un-restricted. Even if my parents 
had said, "Go ahead, look at whatever you want", I'd have been too
embarassed to explore where I wanted.

By the way, I can't believe there are rooms full of people getting paid to go 
to porn sites and add the address to a list in filtering software. It is so 
laughable to think they are even coming close to making a list of 'all' porn 
sites.

Any parent who buys that software and thinks they don't have to still
watch their kids are real geniuses.

> Of course, as I said earlier, this specific issue hasn't come up yet,
> because my 5- and 7-year-olds have shown no inclination to seek erotic
> material on the Internet yet.


I doubt very seriously they'll show that inclination while you're watching 
them use the Internet, even when they are 13, 16, whatever.
You're an adult and I doubt you'd surf your 'erotic material' in front
of your relatives, adult peers etc.


> > > Later, I'm sure he'll use the Internet to look at pictures of nude or
> > > scantily clad women (or even men).  I don't see a problem with that.
> >
> > Later? So now you define an age range.
>
> Whenever he is ready to search for erotic material, I'm sure he will find
> it.  (He already knows how to use Google.)  I'm guessing he will be about
> 12 at the time, but it might happen sooner.  (My 7-year-old is mildly
> autistic, so his development is not at the rate of a "normal" child.)

Again, porn: Whips, chains, gay dogs doing dwarves, horses doing monkeys.
Not vanilla. 

> My 5-year-old is more "normal", so he may actually be the first one to
> bring this issue to my immediate attention.

I doubt your kid is going to say 'Hey pop, where's all the sophisticated
erotic literature and imagery? I'm ready!'. 


> > They do have a natural hormone-driven desire
> > to have sex. Giving them porn will just increase the rate of child
> > pregnancy and children with STDs.
>
> Nitpick #2: please define 'porn'.  David offered a definition that I've
> never heard before.  In this message, I'm switching to the phrase "erotic
> material" to more clearly state what I'm talking about.

See above. Horses doing monkies, anything goes.

> I'll also give an example: .  I consider that
> one of the best sites on the entire World Wide Web.

Sounds boring. Thanks, but I like the nasty dirty stuff.

> I see no basis for your argument.  If anything, I'd expect to see the
> opposite -- giving them access to erotic material (especially of the
> more educational variety) is likely to lead to higher self-esteem and a
> greater awareness of the nature of sex and its consequences.  I'd expect
> an increase in masturbation, and a decrease in the guilt associated with
> it by our society.
>
> Pregnancy and STDs would require a partner, which is not something
> they're going to find by watching movies and masturbating!

I think kids have plenty of wank material just from watching tv, peeking
up the teachers skirt, watching the washing machine, the dirty 
magazines they find etc. Do they really needed unrestricted access
to porn?

The number of young girls getting pregnant is going up and up. The age
is going down. Sexual disease in children is on the rise.

Maybe its the hormones in milk. Maybe its Pamela Anderson on
Bay Watch.

Giving them full, unrestricted access to porn wouldn't affect those numbers?


> > > For that matter, have you forgotten what the girls looked like when you
> > > were in school?  (Or were you unfortunate enough to have been forced to
> > > attend a school that only admitted students of one sex?)  Some of the
> > > girls I went to school with were quite arousing even fully clothed.
> >
> > And how would you like your child hanging out with a child he/she found
> > arousing and they watched porno movies together?
>
> I expect that by the time my sons start dating, they'll keep their
> activities largely secret from me.  If they tell me they went to see a
> movie, I'd probably assume it was something a bit more mainstream.
>
> My wife and

Re: [freenet-chat] Re: p2p = child-endangerment

[Rob Cakebread]

On Tuesday 31 July 2001 03:26 pm, you wrote:
> (Apologies if this is too hetero-centric.  Feel free to translate it into
> politically correct terms for your own peace of mind if that's necessary.)
>
> Rob Cakebread ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On Tuesday 31 July 2001 08:56 am, you wrote:
> > > Check your premises. *Why* is it a problem for kids to have access to
> > > porn?
> >
> >  Because porn promotes sexual desire.
>
> And why is that bad?
>
> > Kids have more than enough of
> > that without us giving them pornography.
>
> Kids have no sexual desire to speak of.  Teenagers are not kids.  Please
> define the age range you're talking about.

Ok, how about 'child'? I consider teenagers kids, but consult your local
laws for what age 'child' in 'child-endangerment' law means.
I had sexual desires when I was 10. Before that, I dont't remember.
Babies masturbate, so don't tell me children don't have sexual desires.

> > What parent out there can come
> > up with a good reason to give their kid access to porn?
>
> I'm a parent.  I let my kids have unrestricted access to the Internet.
> My older son is 7, and he uses his freedom to look at web sites that
> feature toys (Legos mostly) and monster movies (King Kong, Godzilla).
> He also likes Cartoon Network, and their web site.

You didn't answer my question. 

> Later, I'm sure he'll use the Internet to look at pictures of nude or
> scantily clad women (or even men).  I don't see a problem with that.
>
> (My 5-year-old does not show quite as much interest in the Internet yet.)


Later? So now you define an age range. 


> >  I don't know about you, but I want to have sex when I when I see porno.
>
> I want to have sex even when I *don't* see porno.  Usually this desire
> springs from seeing my wife, but even that isn't strictly necessary.
>
> > >Why do assume parents should  "protect" their children from sex?
> >
> >  Because sex can be dangerous and result in a painful death.
>
> Hence the need for sex education.  Driving a car can be dangerous and can
> result in a painful death, too -- I certainly wouldn't let my children
> drive a car without teaching them how!

Giving kids pornography is sex education? Kids don't have a natural
urge to drive a car. They do have a natural hormone-driven desire
to have sex. Giving them porn will just increase the rate of child
pregnancy and children with STDs.

> >  That is why parents should protect their children from sex. That's why
> > virtually every country has laws protecting children from sex.
>
> Pornography is *not* the same as sex, any more than watching "Jaws" is the
> same as being attacked by a shark.


I didn't say pornography was sex so your analogy means nothing. Watching 
pornos does make kids want to have sex. Why encourage them?


> You can't "protect your kids from sex".  Instead, you teach them how to
> be responsible and safe.  Abstinence is one way to achieve this goal, but
> it's a temporary solution.  In the long term, a monogamous relationship,
> combined with contraceptives, is a better approach.


Giving them pornography won't promote abstinence, teach them to be
responsible and safe, or promote monogomy.


> >  I think kids have enough trouble concentrating on what they should be
> > doing (school, growing up) without having free access to porn.
>
> In my experience growing up (with partial access to porn [magazines]
> but no Internet) I found that having access to porn did *not* interfere
> with my school work at all.  I was valedictorian, despite having seen
> a few pictures of breasts and vaginas (and later, the real items).

You didn't have free access to porn. You had partial, and without your 
parent's consent, I imagine. A world of difference when your parents 
aren't the ones giving you pornography. 

>
> >  And please don't suggest we bombard kids with porn and then tell them
> > "Don't do that till you are old enough."
>
> If you want to prevent your children from being bombarded by sexually
> titillating imagery, you'll have to raise them outside the USA.  Have
> you taken a good look at commercial television lately?  Or billboards
> on the side of the road in urban areas?
>

I didn't say sexually titillating, I said PORN.


> For that matter, have you forgotten what the girls looked like when you
> were in school?  (Or were you unfortunate enough to have been forced to
> attend a school that only admitted students of one sex?)  Some of the
> girls I went to school with were quite arousing even fully clot

Re: [freenet-chat] Re: p2p = child-endangerment

[Rob Cakebread]

On Tuesday 31 July 2001 08:56 am, you wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, philipp wrote:
> > Of course it is a problem, when children receive porn vids instead of
> > britney spears songs And of course it is a problem, if children
> > are able to see sex&violence at the TV. But come on, guys, we all know
> > the solution to this kind of problems isn´t called "V-Chip" or any law
> > that forbids the usage of P2P apps. We need PARENTS who actually
> > deserve this term = parents who take care of their kids. A V-Chip
> > can´t do this. Laws neither.


> Check your premises. *Why* is it a problem for kids to have access to
> porn?

 Because porn promotes sexual desire. Kids have more than enough of
that without us giving them pornography. What parent out there can come
up with a good reason to give their kid access to porn?

> How do you know our society wouldn't be better off if everybody grew
> up watching porn instead of horror movies? 

 I don't know about you, but I want to have sex when I when I see porno.
I have never had the desire to go out and kill when watching a horror movie.
Sure, there are whacko kids who will be more inclined to kill after watching
horror movies, but they are psychologically disturbed and they will kill 
anyways. Kids who watch porno aren't abnormal in feeling sexual desire.

>Why do assume parents should  "protect" their children from sex?

 Because sex can be dangerous and result in a painful death. If adults don't
control themselves by taking basic precautions against STDs, why should we
expect a 12 year old to? There are sexual diseases that can't be prevented
by condoms (genital warts) and can't be cured. Teach your kid about that.

 That is why parents should protect their children from sex. That's why
virtually every country has laws protecting children from sex.

 I think kids have enough trouble concentrating on what they should be doing
(school, growing up) without having free access to porn.

 And please don't suggest we bombard kids with porn and then tell them
"Don't do that till you are old enough."

 No, I don't think sex or porn is 'bad', or that we should have V-chips or 
other filtering. It is a parents responsibility to monitor what their kids 
are doing. 

p2p != child-endangerment
Lazy stupid parents = child-endangerment


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[freenet-chat] Re: [freenet-devl] MercuryFS

[Rob Cakebread]

On Tuesday 24 July 2001 07:09 pm, you wrote:
> Shareware! That may be a better title. It will be open source
> shareware...???

The reason I suggest 'shareware' is because the license is
so restrictive it may as well be shareware.


> I know, Ill call it "not open source", and I'll distribute the code!

Just because we can look at the source code doesn't make
it Open Source.

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Re: [freenet-chat] RE: [freenet-devl] MercuryFS

[Rob Cakebread]

On Tuesday 24 July 2001 07:41 pm, you wrote:
> You need to read the UNI ID design. Tell me how they are going to get
> somebody's info.


Where is this design? All the links seem to be broken except the
license and dream pages.


> All it stores is an incomplete credit card number, and an email address.
> They can give a hotmail address, and execute their warrants on visa and
> mastercard. They will need to do brute force.
>
> As for the Chinese, this is going to be interesting...
> Once they join the WTO, they will be bound by many rules that will work in
> my favor.
>
> As for open source issue, I didn't know it was a registered trademark.
> Thanks for that info.
>
>
>  -Original Message-
> From: toad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]  On Behalf Of toad
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 7:35 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: [freenet-devl] MercuryFS
>
> Taken to freenet-chat, for obvious reasons.
>
> On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 07:09:34PM -0700, Josh wrote:
> > Shareware! That may be a better title. It will be open source
> > shareware...???
> >
> > It's really a management issue: I want to advantages of open source, with
> > the advantages of management, and I'm convinced I can do it because
> > others have.
> >
> > I know, Ill call it "not open source", and I'll distribute the code!
>
> Open source is a *trademark*. You should really look it up with its owners,
> at
> http://www.opensource.org/.
>
> > As for the "freenet" word, I first head of it back I the 80's. it was the
> > internet backbone link into the USSR. It went from east (via japan) to
>
> west,
>
> > so as not to come from eurpoe. The "freenet" was used during the
> > attempted Gorbachev overthrow, by the anti-communist people. Being
> > commies, their bureaucracy was so bad that they didn't even know of the
> > internet link or how to turn it off. That's why all those emails made it
> > out during that timeframe, because of the "freenet" link. A little known
> > fact is that the NSA's listening system was used to pickup then
> > re-broadcast Yeltzin's comments (pro gorbachev).
> >
> > Rumor has it that the original freenet was a CIA idea (information
> > warfare tactic), that got tossed to the national sciences foundation.
> > The fact is, the internet and the open communication between the young
> > Russians and the outside world had a very large impact on the fall of
>
> soviet
>
> > communism. In my opinion, the same is inevitable for china. That's my
> > attitude toward China is a relaxed one: democracy is inevitable.
>
> Of course, you'll cooperate with Chinese police forces? A single point of
> failure from which the entire network can be compromized - a back door
> built in to the network for purposes of law enforcement. So anyone who can
> sue you can compromize the anonymity of anyone on the network, given that
> in *some* courts they will be able to get a ruling in favour, if they push
> long enough - i.e. if they have the money. Rather like a totalitarian state
> in fact.
>
> > I cant wait for them to try to fully implement their internet censorship
> > ideas. Oh, that's a disaster in the making.
>
> Fully implement? They don't fully implement anything, like the Taliban.
> They reserve special sanctions for special events. They arrest religious
> folks randomly to raise cash, not consistently to eradicate religion.
>
> > I can't wait for them to try to impose international law on me. Shit, I'm
> > going to move over to the .aq top domain (Antarctica)! (joke)
> >
> >  -Original Message-
> > From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
> > On Behalf Of Rob Cakebread
> > Sent:   Tuesday, July 24, 2001 7:00 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject:Re: [freenet-devl] MercuryFS
> >
> > On Tuesday 24 July 2001 06:44 pm, you wrote:
> > > Theres a difference between a simple license and the technology. And
> > > besides, when I'm done with it, it will not look the GPL at all. And I
>
> did
>
> > > ask for permission, and they didn't respond. So there you have it.
>
> There's
>
> > > many other licenses out there to choose from. I'm currently looking at
>
> the
>
> > > Mozilla license, because I like it better.
> > >
> > > So I used the wrong words. What should I call it? "managed open source"
> > > "community open source" "my ope

Re: [freenet-chat] Where is yours...?

[Rob Cakebread]

In Windows check the registry first:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Freenet\inspath

If they didn't use the installer though, there will
be no registry value though (the .zip version of 
Freenet). I've found that almost all of them used
the installer though. The default install location
is c:\windows\program files, so people who 
didn't use the installer will probably put it there.

After finding where they installed it read the file
flaunch.ini and you'll be able to find the JRE they
used, the port, and location of frequest/finsert.

There is a bug in the current Windows installer
though, beware. If they change ports (not too
common), the values in flaunch.ini and freenet.ini
don't match and so finsert/frequest won't work.
If your app

I think you're wasting your time if you try to check
a zillion places in unix. Since there is only a Debian
installer, you aren't going to find anything by your
magic script most of the time. Maybe doing 
'which java' will help, but some people, like me,
have more than one Java installed. Just make *nix
people edit a whateverrc file, save yourself lots
of time IMHO.

Debian stores stuff in these locations (Thanks for
this info, Mr. Bad):

All the config files go in /etc/freenet. 
/etc/freenet/freenetrc
/etc/freenet/nodes.config

Log files go in /var/log/freenet. Java jar goes in /usr/share/java
There's an /etc/init.d/freenet and an /etc/logrotate.d/freenet.
Scripts all go in /usr/bin.
data store goes into /var/lib/freenet.


On Saturday 21 July 2001 03:43 am, you wrote:
> I want it to be "idiot proof"...
>
> I want the installation instructions for this program to be
> "put it somewhere and run it"
>
> I don't want to assume that the user will know.  I don't
> even want to know what port *your* server is running on...
> I want to develop a function which will reliably tell me
> what port freenet is using on any given local machine.  If
> there isn't a method somewhere in freenet.jar, I am going to
> search in freenet.ini (in windows) and .freenetrc (in Unix).
> In order to search the files...  I have to know where most
> people keep them.
>
> In PERL there is a special variable which tells you what
> platform you are running on.
>
> PERL is an excellent cross platform "control language" for
> Java in my opinion.
>
> Here is what I mean...  look at getjavapath() and
> getnullfile()...
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Greg
> Wooledge
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 4:25 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [freenet-chat] Where is yours...?
>
> Michael D. Carey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > Is there some other way to determine what port the node is
> > operating on?
>
> You could do something horribly radical like asking the
> user


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Re: [freenet-chat] Free Dmitry Sklyarov!

[Rob Cakebread]

Here's the slide presentation he gave at Def Con:
freenet:KSK@text/postscript/defcon.ps.bz2


On Thursday 19 July 2001 08:44 pm, you wrote:
> Dmitry Sklyarov is a Russian programmer arrested by the FBI at Def Con
> on July 16th after giving a talk on security holes in Adobe System's
> eBook software. He's also the author of a piece of software that
> allows legitimate purchasers of eBooks to exercise fair use rights,
> like making backups of a file or reading it on an unsupported platform
> (like Linux).
>
> Dmitry was arrested under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act -- a US
> law that does not apply in his native Russia -- for creating a
> "circumvention device." He's been held without bail and apparently is
> out of contact of his family and friends in Russia.
>
> The EFF is organizing protests against Sklyarov's arrest on Monday,
> July 23, 2001 at US Federal buildings, embassies, and Adobe Systems
> offices world-wide. If you're interested in participating, please
> check this URL:
>
> http://www.eff.org/alerts/20010719_eff_sklyarov_alert.html
>
> I think Freenet people know that liberty has technological
> solutions. But we should also remember that there's offline actions
> that need to be done, too. So please take a minute and do what you can
> to help get Dmitry out of jail and back to his wife and family.
>
> ~Mr. Bad
>
> P.S. Yes, I'm still working on 0.3-0.4 merge. B-)

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Re: [freenet-chat] Miami coding venture

[Rob Cakebread]

On Tuesday 17 July 2001 01:22 pm, you wrote:

>
> It's interesting that Oskar starts to introduce unit testing into the
> Freenet core just these days. I strongly support that; I've been "test
> infected" a while ago too.



Miami is a great place to get your unit tested, good choice.

I went to the Miami Male Fertility Clinic in Miami and I 
reccomend it to anyone having problems with their unit.

Miami Male Fertility Clinic
PO Box 016960 (R-48), 
Miami, Florida 33101-6960
elephone: 305/243-6001

http://www.miamiproject.miami.edu/mfrp/participant.htm


>
> If anyone has other suggestions in terms of what you would like me to spend
> my wits on in Miami's coffee bars, just go ahead.
>
> -Stefan
>

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Re: [freenet-chat] more MSK delimiter proposals

[Rob Cakebread]

On Monday 16 July 2001 06:42 pm, you wrote:
> More proposed MSK delimiters, from recent IRC discussion
>
> 1) '?' - example SSK@blah/name?index.html
>  (requires banning the use of fproxy reserved words like 'htl', 'force',
> 'key' etc in SSK identifiers)
>
> 2) '}' - example SSK@blah/name}index.html
>
> 3) '/?' - example SSK@blah/name/?index.html
>  (I like this one)
>
> 4) '}?' - example SSK@blah/name}?index.html
>
> Thoughts?

Have you tried creating websites with those characters and
using the programs that don't work for you with double slashes?

I'd think ? and } and most characters used in regular expressions
would give lots of programs problems.

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Re: [freenet-chat] MSKs "//" breaks wget et al.

[Rob Cakebread]

On Sunday 15 July 2001 02:02 am, you wrote:
> In local.freenet, you wrote:

Did you try GetFiles? It downloads the mapfile and
gets everything in it - much more reliable than wget.

java relentless.gj.cli.GetFiles -simRequestst 10 \
-htl 40 -retryHtlIncrement 30 -rootDir freesite \
-serverAddress 127.0.0.1:19114 \
MSK@SSK@2vz8xnhEJyJOlBVNfBEOWaohQFEQAgE/freesite//

Get it here:
MSK@SSK@enI8YFo3gj8UVh-Au0HpKMftf6QQAgE/homepage//manifest_tools.html

> > I have noticed this...  so I started using the
> > Freenet.client.RequestClient shipped with freenet.jar...
>
> Yes, but it would require grabbing the start page and getting perl
> to extract the freenet-URLs and recursively calling freenet-request.
>
> > Fproxy is not very smart in my opinion.  It's getting better
> > though.
>
> Not really fproxy´s fault, but rather "broken by design". Though I
> didn´t check if it´s indeed an invalid URL. But IIRC the only valid
> location for "//" if after the host-part.

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Re: [freenet-chat] Is it Ian or Brandon?

[Rob Cakebread]

On Wednesday 04 July 2001 07:38 pm, you wrote:
> Hi all,
> As I was organizing my bookmarks I came across the wired story that first
> got me to download freenet,
> http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,43818,00.html one thing I
> notice this time around is this statement :
> 
> Brandon K. Wiley has been working to develop a system that would allow
> users to send and receive e-mail over the distributed, anonymous network
> called Freenet.
> 

It is probably refering to Everything over Freenet, which Brandon has written
code for:

http://eof.sf.net

> I always thought it was Ian Clarke that did that? hes the one who posts to
> freenet-devl and from the mailing lists and the comments he left on freegle
> I thought it was him?
>
> further on in the article he is mentioned in this context
> 
> Freenet founder Ian Clarke is hoping to use the basic tenets of his
> file-sharing project to create a sustainable business called Upriser,
> although the normally outspoken developer is mum on exactly how he plans to
> do that.
> 
>
> I know Ian keeps the two very separate and all, but I thought he was still
> active on both right?


Right.


>
> Just looking for a bit of clarification as I don't wanna go saying the
> wrong peoples names when im talking about freenet to people.
>
> Ty in advance,
> William
>
>
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Re: [freenet-chat] The End Game From Microsoft. Really.

[Rob Cakebread]

On Wednesday 27 June 2001 04:32 pm, you wrote:
> Folks, read this.  I speak in grave tones a lot of times, but let's be
> very clear, now:
>
> The end game is upon us.  The apolitical BSD license is now being pitted
> directly against the GPL license, by M$ itself.
>
> It's so very sly.  Just think about it.  But if we see it right up, we
> *might* be able to counter it.  I don't know:
>
> http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/dotnet/2001/06/27/dotnet.html
>
>
> Ask me what I mean, if you don't see what I'm saying.  

What do you mean?


I'm pissed and
> anxious as heck about this.
>
> Seth Johnson
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Re: [freenet-chat] Sharing datastore between windows and linux

[Rob Cakebread]

On Tuesday 26 June 2001 11:57 pm, you wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is there anyone who:
> 1) runs a linux <-> windows dual-boot machine
> 2) has a freenet node installed in both
> 3) has freenet on both OSs using the same datastore?
>

I tried this many moons ago but had problems. Do the files
you couldn't access on Linux have a '\' in them by any
chance? It seems like I had a problem with those, could
be wrong.


> If so, I'd like to know of your experiences.
> For me, there seems to be a problem with accessing keys on one OS that were
> cached by the other.
>
> For instance, I surfed the new TheCatholic freesite on windows, and it came
> up instantly. But when I booted into Linux, it took forever to come up.
>
> And on booting into Linux, I wasn't able to locally retrieve any items I
> know to be on the datastore.
>
> BTW - running 0.3.9.2 on both OSs, same datastore directory.
> On Win2k, I'm using Sun Java SDK.
> On Mandrake-Linux, I'm using IBM's Java SDK.
>
> I thought there may be some quirk with the different javas, and have
> considered installing Sun's java on the linux side as well.
>
> Thoughts anyone?
>
> heretic108

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Re: [freenet-chat] OK - fess up

[Rob Cakebread]

 Can you put something in Fproxy that will make my cute
little favicon.ico work?


On Thursday 14 June 2001 10:45 pm, you wrote:
> > "DM" == David McNab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> DM> Alright alright, Who planted the &*$%&@ spider-repellant in
> DM> Freenet?
>
> DM> Namely, the [EMAIL PROTECTED] file, configured to exclude
> DM> everything?
>
> Damn, that's a good idea. I wish I'd thought of that.
>
> ~Mr. Bad

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Re: [freenet-chat] OK - fess up

[Rob Cakebread]

I'm probably Suspect #1, but it wasn't me.
What did it do?

On Thursday 14 June 2001 10:40 pm, you wrote:
> Alright alright,
>
> Who planted the &*$%&@ spider-repellant in Freenet?
>
> Namely, the [EMAIL PROTECTED] file, configured to exclude everything?
>
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Re: [freenet-chat] OS holy wars (was: Nostalgia (moved from devl))

[Rob Cakebread]

D costs? I know some distributions contribute device drivers,
but the vast majority are from individuals. If you would have bought
your cable modem thinking 'Linux' you would have found one cheaper,
or at worst you would have found one that works for Linux. You were thinking 
.oO'W2K'.

The standardisation problem has to do with where programs should
be installed for the most part and what freebie apps go with it. No major 
distribution has had the balls to take the Linux kernel and say "I'm going to 
make it better" and fork.

>
> Believe me, if or when I can work out how to get all this hardware working
> to full spec under Linux, or replace it with compatible hardware, I'll
> switch to Linux full-time. I *do* like a lot of the Linux desktop stuff.
> The Gimp looks mean and bitchin', and K-office does the business nicely.
> And the range of other apps looks pretty healthy too.
>
> But for now, Windows 2000 with Cygwin installed is sheer desktop heaven.
>

Yeah, I can imagine buying the latest hardware off the shelf wouldn't work.
Unfortunately a lot of stuff is USB and it is going to take a while for Linux
to catch up. Don't think it won't though.

You may need Windows 2000 to print at 2000 by 2000 and scan at
234234 dots per inch, but it isn't Linux's abilities stopping you from doing 
so. Its only a matter of time before someone figure out how to do it despite 
the opposition. 

This rambling isn't going to make your hardware work today, but you probably 
didn't  buy anything that didn't say "Made for Windows" on it. I can hardly 
agree that you will spend more for hardware that will work with Linux though! 

It is tougher putting together a Linux box with hot new hardware. Reboot
into Win2K when you need those extra 324234 dots per inch on your 
printer or scanner 5% of the time.  Or don't.



> - Original Message -
> From: "Rob Cakebread" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 15:47
> Subject: Re: [freenet-devl] Nostalgia
>
> > On Thursday 14 June 2001 07:59 pm, you wrote:
> > > > You're running Windows 2000. That can make any computer feel
> > > > like a 486.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry, had to.
> > >
> > > Normally, my system works as fast or faster under Win2k than it does
>
> under
>
> > > Linux.
> > >
> > > Sorry, had to.
> >
> > Ok, I'll take your word for it, but I had to jab when a W2k user was the
> > first to complain.
> >
> > While I have the Anything-but-Windows Spotlight, I'd like to point out
> > that Windows 2000 requires a substantial amount of hardware to run on,
> > whereas Linux runs on a 386+. I'm going to step out on a limb and say you
> > probably paid mucho money to upgrade to a new PC just so you could run
> > W2k while I run Linux on everything from my toaster and Palm Pilot on up.
> >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Rob Cakebread" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 14:53
> > > Subject: Re: [freenet-devl] Nostalgia
> > >
> > > > On Thursday 14 June 2001 06:53 pm, you wrote:
> > > > > I've got my node throttled for bandwidth and threads.
> > > > > But with the constant flood of incoming data (not from my
> > > > > requests),
> > >
> > > Fred
> > >
> > > > > was sucking all my CPU, and making my Athlon 750 feel like a
> > > > > 486/33.
> > >
> > > Ahhh,
> > >
> > > > > *those* days!
> > > > >
> > > > > I hate having to restart my node, but the CPU load was getting
> > >
> > > impossible
> > >
> > > > > to tolerate.
> > > >
> > > > You're running Windows 2000. That can make any computer feel
> > > > like a 486.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry, had to.
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Re: [freenet-chat] manifest tools patch: always update

[Rob Cakebread]

On Thursday 14 June 2001 04:21 pm, 
you wrote:
> I ended up writing version 1.0 of
> the "how not to publish" guide (which I notice someone has updated; I've
> learned a lot more since then, and I should probably update it myself).


Oh, by the way. The day you published that I responded to it on this 
list the same day. Damn. Could have saved you a lot of time, but I
guess you missed it:


On Thursday 03 May 2001 06:59 pm, you wrote:
> http://wooledge.org/~greg/freenet-hownotto.html
> freenet:KSK@freenet/doc/v1.0/how-not-to-publish.html


That is a lot of good info. 

A few changes though:

1)
DO NOT expect to see your Freesite today. You won't be able to see it until 
00:00 UTC. If it's currently 22:00 UTC, you'll see it in 2 hours. If it's 
currently 01:30 UTC, you get to wait 22.5 hours. DO NOT insert your site with 
-future 0 in an attempt to force the insert to happen "today". I tried it. It 
does not work. 
-
This used to work with PutFiles up till 0.3.8.1. You can do this in 0.3.9.1
with -update yes instead of -future 0



2)
DO use index.html as your index page. This simple fact was not documented 
anywhere obvious; fortunately, I guessed correctly on this point the first 
time around. I don't know whether any other filenames may be used as index 
pages, since I didn't try any others.
-
You can use any file you want. If you don't specify one, PutFiles tries 
index.html.
Use -mskIndex whatever.html


3)

DO NOT insert your site with -fromDir SITE_NAME where SITE_NAME is the 
subdirectory containing your site. I tried it. If you do this, your site's 
URI will be freenet:MSK@SSK@PUBLIC/SITE_NAME//SITE_NAME/index.html which is 
probably not what you want. 
-
That should work, try adding this also:
-rootDir /home/rob/niftysite

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Re: [freenet-chat] manifest tools patch: always update

[Rob Cakebread]

On Thursday 14 June 2001 04:21 pm, you wrote:
> Rob Cakebread ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > Hmmm. If I miss the midnight deadline I just use '-update yes' instead
> > of '-future 0'. Everything else works just the same as when I use
> > '-future 1'.
>
> No disrespect to you or Gianni, but I'd like to make it clear just how
> counter-intuitive this is.

Well, I don't think there is anything intuitive about the whole smorgashborg
of options you have to use, but hey, you have to tell PutFiles quite a few
things. Actually I had to mail GJ and ask why -future 0 stopped working.
It did work before they changed the way freenet_insert works and I think
he was just trying to keep in sync with it (from his HOWTO: PutFiles supports
the standard freenet_insert DBR command line options --  -update, -increment, 
-baseline, -future, -past).

If you read the Publishing Content page on the Freenet project page,
it does tell you to use '-update yes' for today and '-future 1' for tommorow. 
Check out the examples in sections 4 and 5.

http://freenet.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=content

A lot of good it does you now }:^)

> I first mentioned my problems with PutFiles about a month ago, maybe a
> bit more.  I had a problem with symbolic links (fixed by a different
> patch -- this is a genuine PutFiles bug), and I also had difficulty
> understanding how to use it properly.  I ended up writing version 1.0 of
> the "how not to publish" guide (which I notice someone has updated; I've
> learned a lot more since then, and I should probably update it myself).
>
> I've asked about PutFiles on the IRC channel periodically for several
> weeks.  I've seen one or two other people asking also, and I've tried
> to help when possible.  Among the answers that people on IRC suggested
> were:
>
>  * try without the "-future 1"
>  * try "-future 0" (or "-past 0") instead of "-future 1"
>  * (since I'm on Linux) use "timewarp" to change PutFiles' idea of
>what time it is, so that the insert occurs "yesterday" from PutFiles'
>point of view
>
> (None of those worked for me.  "timewarp" would have worked, except that
> every insert that PutFiles tried to make failed with a "timed out"
> error almost immediately; apparently the clock skew between the node
> and the client can't be ignored.)
>
> And finally, the one that actually worked for me:
>
>  * read and modify the PutFiles source code to make it act as I expect
>
> Neither I, nor anyone who happened to be on #freenet at the time, came
> up with the idea of using "-update yes".  This makes me think that the
> behavior of the software is unintuitive, and the documentation isn't
> good enough to overcome that.
>
> Now, I know my patch (which, I think, essentially forces the equivalent
> of "-update yes" on the command line every time) isn't ideal.  But I
> honestly don't understand why PutFiles would *ever* want to *not* update
> my site when I give the command to do so!  Is there some functionality
> that omitting both "-future 1" and "-update yes" gives me that I'm not
> aware of?  If not, then I think my patch (or a cleaned-up version of it,
> naturally) should be the default behavior.

No, you have to use either '-update yes' or '-future n'  (or -past if you are 
a wierdo). But yeah, you're right, I think GJ's HOWTO should mention the 
'-update yes' to mean 'today'.


> I know this message is long.  It's not intended as a flame.  Really. :-/


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Re: [freenet-chat] manifest tools patch: always update

[Rob Cakebread]

Hmmm. If I miss the midnight deadline I just use '-update yes' instead
of '-future 0'. Everything else works just the same as when I use
'-future 1'.


On Wednesday 13 June 2001 06:43 pm, you wrote:
> After yet another failed PutFiles run (this one having taken over an hour),
> I finally decided to hack up PutFiles so that "-future 0" actually *works*,
> and I can insert my site "after the fact" (after the 00:00 deadline).
>
> Obviously, anyone requesting it between 00:00 and the time the MSK is
> finally inserted is out of luck, but it's better than losing a full day
> just because Fred barfs on *one* stinkin' file.
>
> Oh, and of course this hack is utterly naughty, and probably breaks some
> obscure functionality that everyone but me uses to keep their systems
> from crashing or something.  But It Works For Me.  (I even tested it.)
>
>
> Insert with "-future 0" after 00:00 instead of "-future 1" before 00:00.
> Use only as a last resort, when your normal insert failed.
>
>
> --- src/relentless/gj/cli/PutFiles.java.orig  Wed Jun 13 20:28:45 2001
> +++ src/relentless/gj/cli/PutFiles.java   Wed Jun 13 20:30:44 2001
> @@ -1230,7 +1230,7 @@
>   mf.getUpdate()
>   );
>
> - if (update) {
> + if (true) {
>   if (baseline == null) {
>   baseline = "210100";
>   }


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Re: [freenet-chat] Linux has a long way to go

[Rob Cakebread]

On Tuesday 12 June 2001 09:19 am, you wrote:
> The purpose of this flame-baiting post is to restore some balance of
> argument to this normally windows-bashing milieu.
>
> 3 months ago, I signed up for a long-awaited DSL connection.
> Of the modems available on the market, the Alcatel Speed Touch USB
> attracted me, especially since at the time I was fast running out of PCI
> slots, and couldn't justify the price of a router.

Go cry to Alcatel. If they told you it would work with Linux it's their fault.

You get what you pay for. You don't need to buy a separate router. The 
Alacatel Speed Touch ethernet version works with any computer and operating 
system with a standard ethernet card. I've used it with Linux, MacOS, 
Windows3.11,NT,95, 98. If you have an extra desktop or laptop in the house, 
you buy a cheap hub and use them all on the same cable. I bet you can't do
that with a USB cablemodem.



>
> The fragmentation of development efforts and multiplicity of distros, along
> with the abysmal support of most hardware devices, may well keep Linux
> forever trapped in single-digit percentage market share.
>
> Fortunately Freenet, even though open-source, has not yet fallen prey to
> the havoc of multiple distributions and configurations.

> While Linux has its strengths in backroom server situations, trying to push
> it onto desktops in its still early evolution is nothing short of
> technocratic masturbation.
>
> David
>

This is pretty funny coming from a guy who tests out the installers for
the Windows version of Freenet. I snicker every time I see the messages
about which version works with which version of Windows. Look how
much trouble it is making installation on Windows easy. Sure, some people
have problems on Linux with Kaffe, but that is ancient Java. 

For all the complaining about fragmentation and multiplicity it is absurdly
easy to install Freenet on any distro of Linux. I think I remember you 
posting a message about it on this list...


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Re: [freenet-chat] CVS Sourceforge question

[Rob Cakebread]

 Did you try -P (prune empty dirs)?


On Friday 01 June 2001 07:09 pm, you wrote:
> does anyone know how to remove empty directories from Sourceforge CVS?
>
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[freenet-chat] Re: Snarfzilla 0.0.4 released

[Rob Cakebread]

 Ok, so I was a little excited. 

 You can get it here:

http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/snarfzilla/snarfzilla-0.0.4.tar.gz

On Thursday 31 May 2001 05:03 pm, you wrote:
> Snarfzilla is a GUI client for Freenet.
>
> New changes / features include:
>
> * Fmail - Send and Receive fmail (Freenet mail) and feedback to freesites
>
> * Create freesites (websites in Freenet) quickly
>
> * Search key indexes such as Freegle and Thalassocracy in a Napster-like
> interface
>
> * Multi-threaded simultaneous downloads via XML-RPC
>
> * Upload files with ease and auto-send keys to key index servers.
>
> * Genereate SSK keypairs with a click Freesite / html browser (primitive)
>
> Snarfzilla requires Python/wxPython. It was developed in *nix and works
> on Solaris, Linux, FreeBSD and just about anything wxPython runs on.
> Windows users mileage may vary wildly. There is no .exe version for
> Windows this release. Windows development has stalled.
>
> Snarfzilla is GPL'd.

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[freenet-chat] Snarfzilla 0.0.4 released

[Rob Cakebread]

Snarfzilla is a GUI client for Freenet.

New changes / features include:

* Fmail - Send and Receive fmail (Freenet mail) and feedback to freesites

* Create freesites (websites in Freenet) quickly

* Search key indexes such as Freegle and Thalassocracy in a Napster-like 
interface

* Multi-threaded simultaneous downloads via XML-RPC

* Upload files with ease and auto-send keys to key index servers.

* Genereate SSK keypairs with a click Freesite / html browser (primitive)

Snarfzilla requires Python/wxPython. It was developed in *nix and works
on Solaris, Linux, FreeBSD and just about anything wxPython runs on.
Windows users mileage may vary wildly. There is no .exe version for
Windows this release. Windows development has stalled.

Snarfzilla is GPL'd.

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[freenet-chat] Windows alpha testers?

[Rob Cakebread]

 I'm looking for brave alpha testers for Snarfzilla .exe version 0.0.4

  It isn't a full working version. I need the multi-threaded simultaneous
download portion tested on Windows NT/95/2000.

 Its about 2megs, no Python, no wxPython necessary:

SSK@64Kj78hEGEyn5~vR7odzKtDnZWYQAgE/snarfexe4.zip
 
 Run snarfzilla.exe and you should see instructions.

  Thanks,
Rob


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Re: [freenet-chat] Cross-platform FCP libs and programs - ERRATUM

[Rob Cakebread]

I can't compile any of them. I tried using 'make' from the top level
directory, but no go. I tried it on Debian potato and RH 6.2.

On ezFCPlib I get:

/bin/sh: unexpected EOF while looking for `"'
/bin/sh: -c: line 2: syntax error
make: *** [default] Error 2

On fcpget I get the same error as above.

On fwproxy I get:
(On this one you need to rename makefile to Makefile)

$ make linux
cd ../ezFCPlib; make linux
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/rob/dev/fcpstuff/freenet/ezFCPlib'
gcc -c -g fcpStartup.c
fcpStartup.c:2: ezFCPlib.h: No such file or directory
make[1]: *** [fcpStartup.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/rob/dev/fcpstuff/freenet/ezFCPlib'
make: *** [linux] Error 2

 p.s. Looking forward to getting this working. You might want to add
some licensing info. On the previous version on SourceForge I
had entirely different errors which seemed to be from Windows
carriage/linefeed problems, I think.

  Rob


On Thursday 24 May 2001 06:25 am, you wrote:
> I've tidied up a couple of things, and eliminated a linux compile error.
>
> SF shell was down, so I can't upload it just yet.
> But you can get the updated sources and makefiles from
> http://127.0.0.1:8081/KSK@src/fcp/fcp-progs.zip
> or
> freenet:KSK@src/fcp/fcp-progs.zip
>
> Enjoy :)
> David
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "David McNab" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 23:11
> Subject: [freenet-chat] Cross-platform FCP libs and programs
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > As some of you know, I'm in the process of developing a suite of
> > FCP-based Freenet tools.
> >
> > So far, I've come up with an FCP library, a console request client and an
> > FProxy replacement.
> >
> > *Be warned* - these progs are *horribly incomplete*, but have evolved far
> > enough to show the general direction the suite is headed in.
> >
> > My 'brag' with these progs is that they're truly cross-platform, and
>
> compile
>
> > and run successfully on linux *and* Win32 (native *and* cygwin) without
> > needing any third-party libraries, or any kind of porting. No cans of
>
> worms
>
> > to open.
> >
> > If you want to play with the suite, you can download it from
> > http://freeweb.sf.net/fcp-progs.zip
> >
> > The zip file contains:
> >
> > - ezFCPlib - a mindlessly easy cross-platform FCP library, including doco
> > - fcpget - a command-line request client
> > - fwproxy - an FProxy replacement, http proxy and FreeWeb core
> >
> > Note - fwproxy is an http proxy server which relays mainstream web
>
> requests
>
> > out to the web, and directs Freenet requests into Freenet (yes, it's a
>
> total
>
> > rewrite of one of the core FreeWeb components, and can actually be
>
> regarded
>
> > as a minimal FreeWeb release on Linux. Linux users are *tough* - they
>
> don't
>
> > need wimpy GUIs - maybe there's no need to do any more for FreeWeb on
> > Linux).
> >
> > Reminding people again of the FreeWeb pseudo-DNS mapping:
> > www.sitename.free -> freenet:MSK@KSK@freeweb/sitename//
> > So to make your freesite visible on FreeWeb, just insert (at high HTL) a
>
> KSK
>
> > with a redirect to the site (straight redirect to SVK root, or date-based
> > redirect to today's MSK map).
> >
> > Enjoy
> > David
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Freenet-chat] problems with freenetmirror and putFiles

[Rob Cakebread]

I don't know what's up with the freenetmirror part,
but I could see the one you did with PutFiles:

Is it past 12am GMT where you are on the 22nd?

Try accessing it this way:
MSK@SSK@mvKVvszcKc8ktU1kOdZVRXFOpeUQAgE/2001052200-bush_inauguration//


The Inauguration of George W. Bush: Sights and Sounds

These media were captured by Rick Dietz on January 20, 2001 in Washington, 
D.C. at the Inauguration of George W. Bush to be President of the United 
States of America. This is what I saw and what I heard... 

Rick Dietz, 2001 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])Sights

etc. etc.


On Tuesday 22 May 2001 03:56 pm, you wrote:
> I'm slowly but surely making progress on inserting a website into freenet.
> most of the problems i was having were java related with Kaffe and
> Blackdown JREs, but using IBM's 1.3 JRE  seems to help.  Command line
> insertion and retrieval work fine, as does fpoxy.
>
> Nevertheless I still have problems getting freenetmirror to work.  can
> anyone see an obvious problem i'm missing.
>
> [root@www /]# java -cp
> /usr/local/Freenet/freenet.jar:/usr/local/Freenet/freenetmirror-0.7.jar
> freenetmirror.Mirror \
>
> > -serverAddress tcp/127.0.0.1:38175 \
> > -htl 50 \
> > -useMsk yes \
> > -localDir /home/mediashare/www/bush_inauguration \
> > -baseURI "bush_inauguration" \
> > -privateKey PrivateKeyPrivateKeyPrivateKey
>
> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:
> Freenet/client/RequestToken
> at freenetmirror.Mirror.(Mirror.java)
> at freenetmirror.Mirror.main(Mirror.java)
>
>
> PutFiles seems to work although I am unable to access a freesite after
> insertion.
>
> ---
>
> java -cp /usr/local/Freenet/freenet.jar:/usr/local/Freenet/manifest.jar
> relentless.gj.cli.PutFiles \
> -serverAddress tcp/127.0.0.1:38175 \
> -simRequests 3 \
> -htl 50 \
> -update yes \
> -mskURIValue
> freenet:SSK@PrivateKeyPrivateKeyPrivateKey/bush_inauguration \
> -fromDir /home/mediashare/www/bush_inauguration \
> -rootDir /home/mediashare/www/bush_inauguration
>
> <...>
>
> 
> URI : freenet:CHK@
> fileName: sounds/bush_inauguration_13_bush_cheney_go_away.mp3
> mimeType: audio/mpeg
> 
> 
> URI : freenet:CHK@
> fileName: sounds/bush_inauguration_14_sirens_and_drums.mp3
> mimeType: audio/mpeg
> 
> Freenet Core running on 3868 (build 391)
> INSERTING : /home/mediashare/www/bush_inauguration/index.html
> STARTING: freenet:CHK@ htl=50
>   /home/mediashare/www/bush_inauguration/index.html
> INSERTING : /home/mediashare/www/bush_inauguration/freenet.log
> STARTING: freenet:CHK@ htl=50
>   /home/mediashare/www/bush_inauguration/freenet.log
>
> <...>
>
> All files were inserted successfully.
> Inserting MSK for manifest:
> freenet:SSK@PrivateKeyPrivateKeyPrivateKey/2001052200-bush_inauguration
>. ..
> Please be patient, this may take a while.
> WARNING: MSK default index not set, using: index.html
> INSERTING : [MSK map file]
> STARTING:
> freenet:SSK@PrivateKeyPrivateKeyPrivateKey/2001052200-bush_inauguration
> htl=50
>   [MSK map file]
>
> hmmm... can't get redirect CHK...
> SUCCEEDED: [MSK map file]
> STATUS: 0 working, 0 queued.
>
> Inserted MSK for manifest:
> freenet:SSK@mvKVvszcKc8ktU1kOdZVRXFOpeUQAgE/2001052200-bush_inauguratio
>n
>
> ---
>
> This SSK key is empty as far as i can tell and i couldn't retrieve anything
> at the URI i expected...
> MSK@SSK@mvKVvszcKc8ktU1kOdZVRXFOpeUQAgE/bush_inauguration//index.html
>
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
> -Rick
>
>
>
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Re: [freenet-chat] Legal vulnerabilities (was: JRE License)

[Rob Cakebread]

 I am going to laugh my ass off when the Secret Service
show up at your door.


On Thursday 10 May 2001 11:04 am, you wrote:
> On Wed, 9 May 2001 19:21:04 -0400 (EDT) "Mark J. Roberts"
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > On Wed, 9 May 2001, Aaron P Ingebrigtsen wrote:
> > > If he is trying to force people to do things, or not do things,
> >
> > when they
> >
> > > aren't hurting anyone else, or the environment, but I guess I
> >
> > don't
> >
> > > support him.  But I sure as HELL don't support Bush!!  I could
> >
> > KILL the
> >
> > > SOB if I had the ability and lack of morals required for murder.
> >
> > Is killing someone always wrong?
>
> Nope.  Killing is right when it is in self defense or self defense by
> proxy.  In other words, it is OK to kill someone who is trying to kill
> you or is trying to kill someone that you care about.  If lethal force is
> not being threatened, then you cannot apply lethal force yourself.
>
> Bush is about to cross the line with his activities.  Soon he may actualy
> hurt some or many americans, maybe even kill them.  If he does, then he
> should be punished to the full extent of the law.  And if the law won't
> do a damn thing, then the citizens of this country have a duty to take up
> arms and solve the crisis themselves.
>
> I sincerely hope that Bush doesn't push things that far, but if he does,
> I will be one of the supporters of any action taken by the justice
> system, or the citizens, to stop Bush from doing any further damage.
>
> And if Bush want's to take that as a threat, so be it.  If the only way
> to stop Bush from hurting or killing innocent people is for me to kill
> him myself, I'll try to find a way.  Even though I hope it never ever
> comes to that.
> 
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Re: [freenet-chat] Never Ceases to Amaze Me...

[Rob Cakebread]

On Monday 07 May 2001 11:36 pm, you wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mr.Bad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > ...what gets on Slashdot about Freenet:
> >
> > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/05/08/0052200&mode=thread
> >
> > FreeSQL seems like a cool project and all, no mistake. It's got to be
> > the most ambitious application built on Freenet so far
> > (notwithstanding the IRC program -- you can drop a chat message, but
> > you can't drop a data update!).
> >
> > But anyone whose built anything on Freenet has got to boggle at the
> > very idea. Can it actually happen? I dunno, but hats off to FreeSQL!
>
> Along similar lines: to the persons doing FreeSQL: todays mantra is SSKs.
> It's not too difficult. Also, you should be able to stick in a FCP or
> XML-RPC client in there so you aren't dependant on the CLIs too. (I'm
> horrible with perl so I wouldn't ask me :)
>

Check out the news on Sourceforge. I guess he was inspired from
the Slashdot effect. He's adding XML-RPC, mysql, Enzyme,
and the kitchen sink.



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> >
> > --
> >  ~
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> >  freenet:MSK@SSK@u1AntQcZ81Y4c2tJKd1M87cZvPoQAge/pigdog+journal//
> >  "Statements like this give the impression that this article was
> >   written by a madman in a drug induced rage"  -- Ben Franklin
> >  ~
>
> -Mathew
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[freenet-chat] Freenet Grab for Windows: No Python

[Rob Cakebread]

 Freenet Grab is now available for Windows without the need to 
install the language Python. (py2exe is magic.)

http://freebbs.sourceforge.net

Freenet Grab  - 0.0.3
 
fngrab.py is a replacement for the official Freenet project's
freenet_request(Un*x) and frequest.exe (Windows). 

fngrab.py has been tested with Python 2.0 under Linux, but
should work with many operating systems and just about
any version of Python. (Success reports welcome.)
fngrab.py uses XML-RPC, available in Freenet 0.3.9.1
and later.

fngrab.py has all the features of freenet_request / frequest.exe
and these unique benifits:

* Retrying failed requests with incremental hops to live.

* Better support for in-Freenet key index searching.
  The official Freenet client doesn't let you specify a range or
  set the threshold for the number of fails to quit before giving up.
  If a range isn't specified, fngrab.py starts searching the index
  at 1 and continues until the number of fails equals the threshold.
 
* Specify a file containing a list of keys to download.
  The file format is simply a text file containing a key on each line.
  When you download keys listed in a file, it derives the filenames
  from the keys:
 
  freenet:KSK@/mp3/britney/I_was_born_to_make_Rob_happy.mp3
  would be saved as I_was_born_to_make_Rob_happy.mp3

  freenet:KSK@test
  would simply be saved as test

* Verifying a list of keys in a file. Keys are requested but the process
  aborts after a few kilobytes have been downloaded. Results of
  the tested keys are saved in a file.
 

Future versions will do threading for multiple simultaneous requests

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