RE: [Chevelle-list] 4 Speed Fill Bolt/Plug
Hi Tom, It sounds like you need to get a square socket (4 sided) vice a hexagon (more common 6 sided). Herb Lumpp http://users.adelphia.net/~hlump/index.htm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Schwartz Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 1:35 AM To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] 4 Speed Fill Bolt/Plug HI All, I have a muncie 4 speed in my 69 chevelle. I want to verify that the fluid level is at the proper height. I went tonight to take off the cover for the fill hole. I can't figure out if it's a press in plug or a bolt in. The cover looks similar to a nut but with a stem on it. Neither fits a bolt and with a vise grip using moderate pressure it didn't move. Can someone tell me how to get this bolt/plug off? thanks Thomas
RE: [Chevelle-list] 4 Speed Fill Bolt/Plug
And if the fill plug hasn't been out in quite a while, it could be a real bear to remove. Dale McIntosh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Herb Lumpp Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 4:38 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] 4 Speed Fill Bolt/Plug Hi Tom, It sounds like you need to get a square socket (4 sided) vice a hexagon (more common 6 sided). Herb Lumpp http://users.adelphia.net/~hlump/index.htm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Schwartz Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 1:35 AM To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] 4 Speed Fill Bolt/Plug HI All, I have a muncie 4 speed in my 69 chevelle. I want to verify that the fluid level is at the proper height. I went tonight to take off the cover for the fill hole. I can't figure out if it's a press in plug or a bolt in. The cover looks similar to a nut but with a stem on it. Neither fits a bolt and with a vise grip using moderate pressure it didn't move. Can someone tell me how to get this bolt/plug off? thanks Thomas
Re: [Chevelle-list] TH-400
A turbo 350 uses a cable for the kickdown but a turbo 400 uses an electrical switch. BM makes a switch that you can use to hook up to your throttle linkage. I use a NOS full throttle switch on my car. If you don't hook up the kickdown the trans will work ok but won't drop into a lower gear when you pull out to pass. Bill Vander Werf - Original Message - From: Crazy Rusty To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 8:55 PM Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] TH-400 I was told, incorrectly perhaps, when I had my 350 swapped for a 400 that the kickdown switch wouldnt hook up to it. It never mattered to me but I am watching this thread with anticipation in case someone does have it working. -JB From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 3:22 PMTo: Chevelle-list@chevelles.netSubject: Re: [Chevelle-list] TH-400 In a message dated 5/25/2005 1:16:42 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There should be an electrical connection on the left or driver's side of the trans.Bill Vander Werf thanks Bill, but there is nothing there!!Harlan
Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 chevelle rh windlace
Thanks. I have the original but the center of it warped. Any suggestions on how to reform it? Also what holds it in place adhesive or Interior trim alone? --- D.R. Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is not made anymore or aftermarket. Try to find some good used. D.R. Jones christopher william wrote: Can anyone tell me where to find the windlace that goes the front to rear of the car on the passenger side. It mounts directly over the headliner? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail
RE: [Chevelle-list] 4 Speed Fill Bolt/Plug
It's a threaded plug with four sides. As already mentioned you would need an 8 sided socket (9/16 ?) and would trust this method over an open end wrench since it is not moving. Try some penetrating oil then heat. Work it back and forth. Once off, the trans lube should be level with the bottom of the fill hole. When reinstalling marginal tight is good enough. Krister Meister Bloomingdale, IL '66 SS #'s Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent by:cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fax to: evelles.net Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] 4 Speed Fill Bolt/Plug 05/27/2005 07:15 AM Please respond to The Chevelle Mailing List And if the fill plug hasn't been out in quite a while, it could be a real bear to remove. Dale McIntosh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Herb Lumpp Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 4:38 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] 4 Speed Fill Bolt/Plug Hi Tom, It sounds like you need to get a square socket (4 sided) vice a hexagon (more common 6 sided). Herb Lumpp http://users.adelphia.net/~hlump/index.htm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Schwartz Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 1:35 AM To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] 4 Speed Fill Bolt/Plug HI All, I have a muncie 4 speed in my 69 chevelle. I want to verify that the fluid level is at the proper height. I went tonight to take off the cover for the fill hole. I can't figure out if it's a press in plug or a bolt in. The cover looks similar to a nut but with a stem on it. Neither fits a bolt and with a vise grip using moderate pressure it didn't move. Can someone tell me how to get this bolt/plug off? thanks Thomas
Re: [Chevelle-list] 4551982208 SS
At 05:25 PM 5/26/2005, you wrote: Some one pleease tell me if this is for REAL A CHEVELLE FOR 400,000,00 4551982208 Yep, it is. BL
Re: [Chevelle-list] 4551982208 SS
At 06:07 PM 5/26/2005, you wrote: as far as options go, or lack of, in this case definitely possible. Here's the talk on Chevelle tech http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91891 BL
[Chevelle-list] 396 Rebuild - Piston Question
Digging through my "basket case" 396 parts, I've discovered I have a set of "hi perf" rectangular port heads used on the 375HP 1968 Chevelles - casting number 3919840.The block I got is just a 2 bolt main block. The block is still standard bore, and the stock GM pistons look to be in good shape. Based on your experience, would you reuse the used pistons? If so, do you think the compression will be low enough to avoid detonation issues? If you recommend I replace the pistons, what would you suggest I install? I'm looking for a setup where I can maximize power/torque, normally asperated, running on pump gas. Thanks for your help! Larry Shouse
Re: [Chevelle-list] 396 Rebuild - Piston Question
Are those pistons flat topped or do they have any dome,Larry? Most standard 396 pistons of the 1966-1970 era were at least 10.25:1 compression and weren't flat topped. The 375hp L78 units were 11.0:1 compression. Anything over 10.0:1 with cast iron heads is pushing it with regards to detonation. Aluminum heads allow you to run a half to full point higher. Anyway,getting back to your L78 heads,,those arerectangular port units that aren't very efficient below 5,000 rpm. If I were building a pure street motor,I would sell or trade them for a good pair of 781 or 049 oval port castings. These would really improve the engine's street manners by flattening the torque curve,work well with the lower compression needed for pump gas,and will improve the fuel mileage over the rectangular units,too. Something else to consider is the rpm limits of those rectangular port heads will tax the limits of that two bolt 396 block,if you decided to build a screamer BBC to take advantage of the superior high-rpm power of the heads. However,it all boils down to what you want to do with that 396. Clint HooperHH Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Larry Shouse Digging through my "basket case" 396 parts, I've discovered I have a set of "hi perf" rectangular port heads used on the 375HP 1968 Chevelles - casting number 3919840.The block I got is just a 2 bolt main block. The block is still standard bore, and the stock GM pistons look to be in good shape. Based on your experience, would you reuse the used pistons? If so, do you think the compression will be low enough to avoid detonation issues? If you recommend I replace the pistons, what would you suggest I install? I'm looking for a setup where I can maximize power/torque, normally asperated, running on pump gas. Thanks for your help! Larry Shouse
Re: [Chevelle-list] 396 Rebuild - Piston Question
Thanks for your wisdom Clint. The pistons I have are domed. All I want to do (at this point) with this 396 is drive it on the street on sunny days, take it to meets and shows, and run the track once or twice a year against my boy... Do you (or anyone on the list) have experience with water injection as a means to deal with detonation? And to all the list members who have rebuilt their engines, did you replace your pistons? If so, was it because you had to? Thanks, Larry Shouse - Original Message - From: Clint Hooper To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 396 Rebuild - Piston Question Are those pistons flat topped or do they have any dome,Larry? Most standard 396 pistons of the 1966-1970 era were at least 10.25:1 compression and weren't flat topped. The 375hp L78 units were 11.0:1 compression. Anything over 10.0:1 with cast iron heads is pushing it with regards to detonation. Aluminum heads allow you to run a half to full point higher. Anyway,getting back to your L78 heads,,those arerectangular port units that aren't very efficient below 5,000 rpm. If I were building a pure street motor,I would sell or trade them for a good pair of 781 or 049 oval port castings. These would really improve the engine's street manners by flattening the torque curve,work well with the lower compression needed for pump gas,and will improve the fuel mileage over the rectangular units,too. Something else to consider is the rpm limits of those rectangular port heads will tax the limits of that two bolt 396 block,if you decided to build a screamer BBC to take advantage of the superior high-rpm power of the heads. However,it all boils down to what you want to do with that 396. Clint HooperHH Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Larry Shouse Digging through my "basket case" 396 parts, I've discovered I have a set of "hi perf" rectangular port heads used on the 375HP 1968 Chevelles - casting number 3919840.The block I got is just a 2 bolt main block. The block is still standard bore, and the stock GM pistons look to be in good shape. Based on your experience, would you reuse the used pistons? If so, do you think the compression will be low enough to avoid detonation issues? If you recommend I replace the pistons, what would you suggest I install? I'm looking for a setup where I can maximize power/torque, normally asperated, running on pump gas. Thanks for your help! Larry Shouse
Re: [Chevelle-list] 396 Rebuild - Piston Question
I wouldn't replace pistons unless I had to. Water/methanol injection is making a comeback and here's the link to an excellent system. http://www.snowperformance.net/ As mentioned before,I would sell or trade those L78 heads for some good oval port units. You won't have any problems finding those rect port heads a new home,Larry. Clint HooperHH Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Larry Shouse Thanks for your wisdom Clint. The pistons I have are domed. All I want to do (at this point) with this 396 is drive it on the street on sunny days, take it to meets and shows, and run the track once or twice a year against my boy... Do you (or anyone on the list) have experience with water injection as a means to deal with detonation? And to all the list members who have rebuilt their engines, did you replace your pistons? If so, was it because you had to? Thanks, Larry Shouse - Original Message - From: Clint Hooper Are those pistons flat topped or do they have any dome,Larry? Most standard 396 pistons of the 1966-1970 era were at least 10.25:1 compression and weren't flat topped. The 375hp L78 units were 11.0:1 compression. Anything over 10.0:1 with cast iron heads is pushing it with regards to detonation. Aluminum heads allow you to run a half to full point higher. Anyway,getting back to your L78 heads,,those arerectangular port units that aren't very efficient below 5,000 rpm. If I were building a pure street motor,I would sell or trade them for a good pair of 781 or 049 oval port castings. These would really improve the engine's street manners by flattening the torque curve,work well with the lower compression needed for pump gas,and will improve the fuel mileage over the rectangular units,too. Something else to consider is the rpm limits of those rectangular port heads will tax the limits of that two bolt 396 block,if you decided to build a screamer BBC to take advantage of the superior high-rpm power of the heads. However,it all boils down to what you want to do with that 396. Clint HooperHH Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Larry Shouse Digging through my "basket case" 396 parts, I've discovered I have a set of "hi perf" rectangular port heads used on the 375HP 1968 Chevelles - casting number 3919840.The block I got is just a 2 bolt main block. The block is still standard bore, and the stock GM pistons look to be in good shape. Based on your experience, would you reuse the used pistons? If so, do you think the compression will be low enough to avoid detonation issues? If you recommend I replace the pistons, what would you suggest I install? I'm looking for a setup where I can maximize power/torque, normally asperated, running on pump gas. Thanks for your help! Larry Shouse
Re: [Chevelle-list] 396 Rebuild - Piston Question
What would be a fair price to ask for them? - Original Message - From: Clint Hooper To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 396 Rebuild - Piston Question I wouldn't replace pistons unless I had to. Water/methanol injection is making a comeback and here's the link to an excellent system. http://www.snowperformance.net/ As mentioned before,I would sell or trade those L78 heads for some good oval port units. You won't have any problems finding those rect port heads a new home,Larry. Clint HooperHH Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Larry Shouse Thanks for your wisdom Clint. The pistons I have are domed. All I want to do (at this point) with this 396 is drive it on the street on sunny days, take it to meets and shows, and run the track once or twice a year against my boy... Do you (or anyone on the list) have experience with water injection as a means to deal with detonation? And to all the list members who have rebuilt their engines, did you replace your pistons? If so, was it because you had to? Thanks, Larry Shouse - Original Message - From: Clint Hooper Are those pistons flat topped or do they have any dome,Larry? Most standard 396 pistons of the 1966-1970 era were at least 10.25:1 compression and weren't flat topped. The 375hp L78 units were 11.0:1 compression. Anything over 10.0:1 with cast iron heads is pushing it with regards to detonation. Aluminum heads allow you to run a half to full point higher. Anyway,getting back to your L78 heads,,those arerectangular port units that aren't very efficient below 5,000 rpm. If I were building a pure street motor,I would sell or trade them for a good pair of 781 or 049 oval port castings. These would really improve the engine's street manners by flattening the torque curve,work well with the lower compression needed for pump gas,and will improve the fuel mileage over the rectangular units,too. Something else to consider is the rpm limits of those rectangular port heads will tax the limits of that two bolt 396 block,if you decided to build a screamer BBC to take advantage of the superior high-rpm power of the heads. However,it all boils down to what you want to do with that 396. Clint HooperHH Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Larry Shouse Digging through my "basket case" 396 parts, I've discovered I have a set of "hi perf" rectangular port heads used on the 375HP 1968 Chevelles - casting number 3919840.The block I got is just a 2 bolt main block. The block is still standard bore, and the stock GM pistons look to be in good shape. Based on your experience, would you reuse the used pistons? If so, do you think the compression will be low enough to avoid detonation issues? If you recommend I replace the pistons, what would you suggest I install? I'm looking for a setup where I can maximize power/torque, normally asperated, running on pump gas. Thanks for your help! Larry Shouse
Re: [Chevelle-list] 396 Rebuild - Piston Question
Heck,if they are complete and in good shape(no cracks,either),they ought to be worth at least $400/pair. Run a classified ad on Team Chevelle. Clint HooperHH Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Larry Shouse What would be a fair price to ask for them? - Original Message - From: Clint Hooper I wouldn't replace pistons unless I had to. Water/methanol injection is making a comeback and here's the link to an excellent system. http://www.snowperformance.net/ As mentioned before,I would sell or trade those L78 heads for some good oval port units. You won't have any problems finding those rect port heads a new home,Larry. Clint HooperHH Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Larry Shouse Thanks for your wisdom Clint. The pistons I have are domed. All I want to do (at this point) with this 396 is drive it on the street on sunny days, take it to meets and shows, and run the track once or twice a year against my boy... Do you (or anyone on the list) have experience with water injection as a means to deal with detonation? And to all the list members who have rebuilt their engines, did you replace your pistons? If so, was it because you had to? Thanks, Larry Shouse - Original Message - From: Clint Hooper Are those pistons flat topped or do they have any dome,Larry? Most standard 396 pistons of the 1966-1970 era were at least 10.25:1 compression and weren't flat topped. The 375hp L78 units were 11.0:1 compression. Anything over 10.0:1 with cast iron heads is pushing it with regards to detonation. Aluminum heads allow you to run a half to full point higher. Anyway,getting back to your L78 heads,,those arerectangular port units that aren't very efficient below 5,000 rpm. If I were building a pure street motor,I would sell or trade them for a good pair of 781 or 049 oval port castings. These would really improve the engine's street manners by flattening the torque curve,work well with the lower compression needed for pump gas,and will improve the fuel mileage over the rectangular units,too. Something else to consider is the rpm limits of those rectangular port heads will tax the limits of that two bolt 396 block,if you decided to build a screamer BBC to take advantage of the superior high-rpm power of the heads. However,it all boils down to what you want to do with that 396. Clint HooperHH Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Larry Shouse Digging through my "basket case" 396 parts, I've discovered I have a set of "hi perf" rectangular port heads used on the 375HP 1968 Chevelles - casting number 3919840.The block I got is just a 2 bolt main block. The block is still standard bore, and the stock GM pistons look to be in good shape. Based on your experience, would you reuse the used pistons? If so, do you think the compression will be low enough to avoid detonation issues? If you recommend I replace the pistons, what would you suggest I install? I'm looking for a setup where I can maximize power/torque, normally asperated, running on pump gas. Thanks for your help! Larry Shouse
Re: [Chevelle-list] 4551982208 SS
It sold last june for $330 some thousand but it only had 26 miles then. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 4551982208 SS Some one pleease tell me if this is for REAL A CHEVELLE FOR 400,000,00 4551982208
Re: [Chevelle-list] bellhousing
I have a bellhousing #460486 I was told it was a truck bellhousing ,but I would like to use it in my 72.with an 11'' inch clutch.is there any reason why I can't or shouldn't use it? thanks Jimmy.C - Original Message - From: Bill Lessenberry To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 4551982208 SS At 06:07 PM 5/26/2005, you wrote: as far as options go, or lack of, in this case definitely possible. Here's the talk on Chevelle tech http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91891BL
Re: [Chevelle-list] truck bellhousing
You can us it, but you'll need a bearing retainer spacer. Here's more info: http://www.5speedtransmissions.com/GmTruckBellhousingInfo.pdf Mike Quoting James Colgan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have a bellhousing #460486 I was told it was a truck bellhousing ,but I would like to use it in my 72.with an 11'' inch clutch. is there any reason why I can't or shouldn't use it? thanks Jimmy.C - Original Message - From: Bill Lessenberry To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 4551982208 SS At 06:07 PM 5/26/2005, you wrote: as far as options go, or lack of, in this case definitely possible. Here's the talk on Chevelle tech http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91891 BL
Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 chevelle rh windlace
It has metal running thru it, should be able to do it by hand or use a vise/blocks of wood. It just presses on the pinch weld, no glue. D.R. christopher william wrote: Thanks. I have the original but the center of it warped. Any suggestions on how to reform it? Also what holds it in place adhesive or Interior trim alone? --- D.R. Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is not made anymore or aftermarket. Try to find some good used. D.R. Jones christopher william wrote: Can anyone tell me where to find the windlace that goes the front to rear of the car on the passenger side. It mounts directly over the headliner? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail
[Chevelle-list] 396 boring / oil burn
My 396 was at one time rebuilt. To what extent it's hard to know. I can tell the intake and timing cover was been removed before. I plan on doing a rebuild, keeping it on the stock side. My plan is to take the minimum off as necessary and just wondering if this is a more for giving block it comes to reboring. On a 396 how much can be taken off the bore over the course of time? My rebuild theory stems from the fact that if I get on it I get some blue smoke from the drivers side exhaust. I imagine it is getting sucked past the rings under load. My PCV valve and hose to the carb is new and working. It is a stock open element with the underside of the air cleaner base connected to the valve cover elbow. Could the fact that the oil filler cap is an open breather type effect the oil blow by I have in some way? I am using 10W 30 oil. Any recommendations to a thicker oil to help avoid the oil blow by in the mean time? Thank you for the help, Krister Meister Bloomingdale, IL '66 SS #'s
Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 chevelle rh windlace
Thanks again I'll try it. --- D.R. Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It has metal running thru it, should be able to do it by hand or use a vise/blocks of wood. It just presses on the pinch weld, no glue. D.R. christopher william wrote: Thanks. I have the original but the center of it warped. Any suggestions on how to reform it? Also what holds it in place adhesive or Interior trim alone? --- D.R. Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is not made anymore or aftermarket. Try to find some good used. D.R. Jones christopher william wrote: Can anyone tell me where to find the windlace that goes the front to rear of the car on the passenger side. It mounts directly over the headliner? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Chevelle-list] IL bill to ban Aftermarket Exhaust Systems
Any IL Chevelle people I encourage you to call the senators listed below and pass this on. It is very easy - call, they ask name, city and just tell them you oppose - simple as that. They are trying to pass a bill no aftermarket exhaust systems for our cars. I just saw this posted our clubs website and would like to pass this on. Thank you, Krister SEMA ALERT: Immediate Attention Required Illinois Bill to Ban Aftermarket Exhaust Systems on the Move A bill (H.B. 2221) to ban vehicles equipped with a muffler or exhaust system that clearly has been modified to amplify or increase the noise of the vehicle was introduced at the last minute and is moving through the Illinois Legislature at breakneck speed. Under the bill, vehicles determined to have been modified by virtue of a visual observation will fail emissions inspection. Time is of the Essence! We Urge You to Call or Fax Members of the Senate Environment and Energy Committee (List Attached) Immediately to Oppose H.B. 2221 This Bill: ** ignores the fact that aftermarket exhaust systems are designed to make vehicles run more efficiently without increasing emissions. ** does not supply emissions inspectors with a clear standard to enforce (e.g. decibel limit under a sound test procedure), allowing them to make subjective judgments based on visual observations on whether or not a modified exhaust system is in violation. ** fails to recognize that aftermarket exhaust systems offer increased performance, which can make a vehicle safer by improving its ability to merge, pass, travel uphill, etc. ** would make it impossible for hobbyists to replace factory exhaust systems with more durable, better performing options. Call or fax (no e-mail addresses available) members of the Senate Environment and Energy Committee immediately to oppose H.B. 2221. This bill tramples on the rights of vehicle enthusiasts in Illinois. Illinois Senate Environment and Energy Committee James F. Clayborne, Jr. Antonio Munoz William R. Haine Don Harmon (217) 782-5399 217-782-9415 217-782-5247 217-782-8176 (618) 274-3010 FAX 773-869-9046 FAX 618-465-4816 FAX 708-848-2022 FAX Rickey R. Hendon Mike Jacobs Donne E. Trotter Dave Sullivan (217) 782-6252 217-782-5957 217-782-3201 217-782-3875 (773) 265-8617 FAX 773-933-5498 FAX 847-734-0036 FAX Kirk W. Dillard Steve Rauschenberger Peter Roskam Dan Rutherford (217) 782-8148 217-782-7746 217-782-8022 217-782-6597 (630) 969-1007 FAX 847-622-0948 FAX 630-690-4505 FAX 815-842-2875 FAX
RE: [Chevelle-list] 396 boring / oil burn
Have you checked the valve guide seals? That could be your smoke from one side problem. Brian From: Krister Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Chevelle Mailing List Chevelle-list@chevelles.net To: The Chevelle Mailing List Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: [Chevelle-list] 396 boring / oil burn Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 15:21:26 -0500 My 396 was at one time rebuilt. To what extent it's hard to know. I can tell the intake and timing cover was been removed before. I plan on doing a rebuild, keeping it on the stock side. My plan is to take the minimum off as necessary and just wondering if this is a more for giving block it comes to reboring. On a 396 how much can be taken off the bore over the course of time? My rebuild theory stems from the fact that if I get on it I get some blue smoke from the drivers side exhaust. I imagine it is getting sucked past the rings under load. My PCV valve and hose to the carb is new and working. It is a stock open element with the underside of the air cleaner base connected to the valve cover elbow. Could the fact that the oil filler cap is an open breather type effect the oil blow by I have in some way? I am using 10W 30 oil. Any recommendations to a thicker oil to help avoid the oil blow by in the mean time? Thank you for the help, Krister Meister Bloomingdale, IL '66 SS #'s _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
RE: [Chevelle-list] 396 boring / oil burn
I had a 69 396 block bored .040 on first rebuild then another .020 (.060 TOTAL) the second rebuild without any problems. If it's coming out the exhaust only on one side when under load, I'd suspect rings. My (limited) experience is guides and/or seals would cause smoke on deceleration. I know that used to be my rule-of-thumb years ago. I'd think the oil breather cap would (1) allow blow-by in the engine compartment if it were bad or (2) excessive fumes/smoke being sucked back into the air cleaner to be reburned but that should cause smoke out both pipes. Dale McIntosh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Krister Meister Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 3:21 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: [Chevelle-list] 396 boring / oil burn My 396 was at one time rebuilt. To what extent it's hard to know. I can tell the intake and timing cover was been removed before. I plan on doing a rebuild, keeping it on the stock side. My plan is to take the minimum off as necessary and just wondering if this is a more for giving block it comes to reboring. On a 396 how much can be taken off the bore over the course of time? My rebuild theory stems from the fact that if I get on it I get some blue smoke from the drivers side exhaust. I imagine it is getting sucked past the rings under load. My PCV valve and hose to the carb is new and working. It is a stock open element with the underside of the air cleaner base connected to the valve cover elbow. Could the fact that the oil filler cap is an open breather type effect the oil blow by I have in some way? I am using 10W 30 oil. Any recommendations to a thicker oil to help avoid the oil blow by in the mean time? Thank you for the help, Krister Meister Bloomingdale, IL '66 SS #'s
Re: [Chevelle-list] 396 Rebuild - Piston Question
There are always exceptions to every rule as I mentioned. The 427 I had built last year was a true 10.0:1 compression engine. It would not run on Regular Unleaded. Most of the old engines were nowhere near their rated compression ratio,though. Switching to fuel injection would help a detonation problem,not make it worse,due to its superior fuel burn. Clint HooperHH Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Dale I rebuilt a 396 (1969 model) twice and retained the 10.25:1 pistons in both .040 and .060 overbores and still ran regular gas 99% of the time even after switching from a 3310-x Holley/Edelbrock 2PO intake to an Accel/DFI fuel injection. Never had any pinging problems with either the 2.79 or 3.07 rear ends used. I hear a lot of folks say they cant run over 9:1 or 9.5:1 without premium fuel or a fuel additive, but I never had to. Dale McIntosh 67 El Camino 1967 ChevelleReference CD in progress ACES #1709/TC Gold #92 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry ShouseSent: Friday, May 27, 2005 11:31 AMTo: The Chevelle Mailing ListSubject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 396 Rebuild - Piston Question Thanks for your wisdom Clint. The pistons I have are domed. All I want to do (at this point) with this 396 is drive it on the street on sunny days, take it to meets and shows, and run the track once or twice a year against my boy... Do you (or anyone on the list) have experience with water injection as a means to deal with detonation? And to all the list members who have rebuilt their engines, did you replace your pistons? If so, was it because you had to? Thanks, Larry Shouse - Original Message - From: Clint Hooper To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 396 Rebuild - Piston Question Are those pistons flat topped or do they have any dome,Larry? Most standard 396 pistons of the 1966-1970 era were at least 10.25:1 compression and weren't flat topped. The 375hp L78 units were 11.0:1 compression. Anything over 10.0:1 with cast iron heads is pushing it with regards to detonation. Aluminum heads allow you to run a half to full point higher. Anyway,getting back to your L78 heads,,those arerectangular port units that aren't very efficient below 5,000 rpm. If I were building a pure street motor,I would sell or trade them for a good pair of 781 or 049 oval port castings. These would really improve the engine's street manners by flattening the torque curve,work well with the lower compression needed for pump gas,and will improve the fuel mileage over the rectangular units,too. Something else to consider is the rpm limits of those rectangular port heads will tax the limits of that two bolt 396 block,if you decided to build a screamer BBC to take advantage of the superior high-rpm power of the heads. However,it all boils down to what you want to do with that 396. Clint HooperHH Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Larry Shouse Digging through my "basket case" 396 parts, I've discovered I have a set of "hi perf" rectangular port heads used on the 375HP 1968 Chevelles - casting number 3919840.The block I got is just a 2 bolt main block. The block is still standard bore, and the stock GM pistons look to be in good shape. Based on your experience, would you reuse the used pistons? If so, do you think the compression will be low enough to avoid detonation issues? If you recommend I replace the pistons, what would you suggest I install? I'm looking for a setup where I can maximize power/torque, normally asperated, running on pump gas. Thanks for your help! Larry Shouse
Re: [Chevelle-list] mountain passes
Don't bother buying premium gas as it won't help the performance. Right guys? Larry Williams - Original Message - From: Dennis Kiernan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chevelle-list Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 9:04 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] mountain passes I'm planning a trip this summer and a friend of mine is cautioning me that my car may have trouble getting over passes with an elevation of 10,000 ft. He thinks of my car as an old car I guess. The car has a 350 V-8 with a TH350 automatic. Have any of you ever heard of anything like he's talking about? Or heard of any car having this sort of trouble.
Re: [Chevelle-list] IL bill to ban Aftermarket Exhaust Systems
Krister Meister wrote: Any IL Chevelle people I encourage you to call the senators listed below and pass this on. It is very easy - call, they ask name, city and just tell them you oppose - simple as that. They are trying to pass a bill no aftermarket exhaust systems for our cars. I just saw this posted our clubs website and would like to pass this on. The sad thing about this whole country is that the issue with politicians' cute ideas is never whether or not they're violating people's natural rights (and common sense), but whether or not there are enough of the group affected to constitute a threat to the politician's being re-elected. Thus the almost daily petitions and gathering of protesters' names about everythng under the sun.
Re: [Chevelle-list] mountain passes
Right ---Original Message--- From: Larry Williams Date: 05/27/05 18:38:31 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] mountain passes Don't bother buying premium gas as it won't help the performance.Right guys? Larry Williams - Original Message - From: "Dennis Kiernan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Chevelle-list" Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 9:04 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] mountain passes I'm planning a trip this summer and a friend of mine is cautioning me that my car may have trouble getting over passes with an elevation of 10,000 ft.He thinks of my car as an "old car" I guess. The car has a 350 V-8 with a TH350 automatic. Have any of you ever heard of anything like he's talking about? Or heard of any car having this sort of trouble. -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.5.7 - Release Date: 3/1/2005 .
Re: [Chevelle-list] IL bill to ban Aftermarket Exhaust Systems
Illinois don't test but in a few counties and only back to 75 I think anyway. I think they are trying to get after those megaphone mufflers on those rice burners that are really loud. - Original Message - From: Clint Hooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Chevelle Mailing List Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] IL bill to ban Aftermarket Exhaust Systems I just installed a new exhaust system today on my 69 El Camino. Bet those Illinois politicians wouldn't like mine. g Clint Hooper HH Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Dennis Kiernan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Krister Meister wrote: Any IL Chevelle people I encourage you to call the senators listed below and pass this on. It is very easy - call, they ask name, city and just tell them you oppose - simple as that. They are trying to pass a bill no aftermarket exhaust systems for our cars. I just saw this posted our clubs website and would like to pass this on. The sad thing about this whole country is that the issue with politicians' cute ideas is never whether or not they're violating people's natural rights (and common sense), but whether or not there are enough of the group affected to constitute a threat to the politician's being re-elected. Thus the almost daily petitions and gathering of protesters' names about everythng under the sun. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.17 - Release Date: 5/25/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.2.0 - Release Date: 5/27/2005
[Chevelle-list] 396 Heads
Hey guys one more thing, I found this pair of heads and was wondering what your thought on them would be. Im trying to build a 396 with 350 to 400 hp. This guy wants 400 for the pair and theyre completely rebuilt and ready to bolt on. Thanks for your thoughts. RJ Winkler CASTING # 3933148 YEARS: 69-84 PORTS:oval OPEN CHAMBER: 112cc VALVES: INTAKE 2.15 EXHAUST 1.75 The heads are ready to run: New com cam springs P/N 911-16, Valve job, New intake and exhaust valve guides, and both heads re-surfaced. I have receipts for all the work. I just got these from the shop today and I was going to use these on my 427 project but, went with a sbc instead. I can pack these VERY well and keep shipping cost light since I ship heavy products from here all day. Good luck and e-mail me with any questions.
Re: [Chevelle-list] 396 Heads
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[Chevelle-list] 1969 proportioning valve question.
Can some body please tell me which lines go where? I'm switching over to front disc brakes on my 68 SS Chevelle. I bought a front disc brake proportioning valve off of a 69 SS chevelle. There is a line coming out of it in the front. And a line coming off of the bottom. Not sure where to hook them up. Some valves I've seen have four lines coming out of them. Will this one that I have with just two lines work OK? Thanks ahead of time for any help.Dennis
Re: RE: [Chevelle-list] 4 Speed Fill Bolt/Plug
Ok guys what it is,it's a pipe plug and if it's stuburn and you can get a pipe wrench on the pipe plug go for it. Use the big guns and reefe on the pipe wrench that's what they're for. From: Krister Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/05/27 Fri AM 09:44:24 EDT To: The Chevelle Mailing List Chevelle-list@chevelles.net CC: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] 4 Speed Fill Bolt/Plug It's a threaded plug with four sides. As already mentioned you would need an 8 sided socket (9/16 ?) and would trust this method over an open end wrench since it is not moving. Try some penetrating oil then heat. Work it back and forth. Once off, the trans lube should be level with the bottom of the fill hole. When reinstalling marginal tight is good enough. Krister Meister Bloomingdale, IL '66 SS #'s Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent by:cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fax to: evelles.net Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] 4 Speed Fill Bolt/Plug 05/27/2005 07:15 AM Please respond to The Chevelle Mailing List And if the fill plug hasn't been out in quite a while, it could be a real bear to remove. Dale McIntosh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Herb Lumpp Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 4:38 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] 4 Speed Fill Bolt/Plug Hi Tom, It sounds like you need to get a square socket (4 sided) vice a hexagon (more common 6 sided). Herb Lumpp http://users.adelphia.net/~hlump/index.htm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Schwartz Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 1:35 AM To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] 4 Speed Fill Bolt/Plug HI All, I have a muncie 4 speed in my 69 chevelle. I want to verify that the fluid level is at the proper height. I went tonight to take off the cover for the fill hole. I can't figure out if it's a press in plug or a bolt in. The cover looks similar to a nut but with a stem on it. Neither fits a bolt and with a vise grip using moderate pressure it didn't move. Can someone tell me how to get this bolt/plug off? thanks Thomas
Re: [Chevelle-list] IL bill to ban Aftermarket Exhaust Systems
Geesus! I thought the Swedish bureaucrats where bad ;-) __ Chevelle gearheads http://hem.bredband.net/chevellegearheads/ - Original Message - From: Krister Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 11:36 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] IL bill to ban Aftermarket Exhaust Systems Any IL Chevelle people I encourage you to call the senators listed below and pass this on. It is very easy - call, they ask name, city and just tell them you oppose - simple as that. They are trying to pass a bill no aftermarket exhaust systems for our cars. I just saw this posted our clubs website and would like to pass this on. Thank you, Krister SEMA ALERT: Immediate Attention Required Illinois Bill to Ban Aftermarket Exhaust Systems on the Move A bill (H.B. 2221) to ban vehicles equipped with a muffler or exhaust system that clearly has been modified to amplify or increase the noise of the vehicle was introduced at the last minute and is moving through the Illinois Legislature at breakneck speed. Under the bill, vehicles determined to have been modified by virtue of a visual observation will fail emissions inspection. Time is of the Essence! We Urge You to Call or Fax Members of the Senate Environment and Energy Committee (List Attached) Immediately to Oppose H.B. 2221 This Bill: ** ignores the fact that aftermarket exhaust systems are designed to make vehicles run more efficiently without increasing emissions. ** does not supply emissions inspectors with a clear standard to enforce (e.g. decibel limit under a sound test procedure), allowing them to make subjective judgments based on visual observations on whether or not a modified exhaust system is in violation. ** fails to recognize that aftermarket exhaust systems offer increased performance, which can make a vehicle safer by improving its ability to merge, pass, travel uphill, etc. ** would make it impossible for hobbyists to replace factory exhaust systems with more durable, better performing options. Call or fax (no e-mail addresses available) members of the Senate Environment and Energy Committee immediately to oppose H.B. 2221. This bill tramples on the rights of vehicle enthusiasts in Illinois. Illinois Senate Environment and Energy Committee James F. Clayborne, Jr. Antonio Munoz William R. Haine Don Harmon (217) 782-5399 217-782-9415 217-782-5247 217-782-8176 (618) 274-3010 FAX 773-869-9046 FAX 618-465-4816 FAX 708-848-2022 FAX Rickey R. Hendon Mike Jacobs Donne E. Trotter Dave Sullivan (217) 782-6252 217-782-5957 217-782-3201 217-782-3875 (773) 265-8617 FAX 773-933-5498 FAX 847-734-0036 FAX Kirk W. Dillard Steve Rauschenberger Peter Roskam Dan Rutherford (217) 782-8148 217-782-7746 217-782-8022 217-782-6597 (630) 969-1007 FAX 847-622-0948 FAX 630-690-4505 FAX 815-842-2875 FAX
