Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS 396 cu in engine sensor
Could it be the TCS http://www.leverfamilysite.com/images/PDF_Files/Microsoft%20Word%20-%20TCS%2 0Article.pdf _ From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of tootalld...@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 8:05 AM To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS 396 cu in engine sensor Have enjoyed reading the emails and problem solving. This is my first submission to Chevelle list. On the passenger side of the engine, just below the valve cover and above the exhaust manifold I have what appears to be a temperature sensor with two spade lugs. My dash temp gauge does work. Saw the same senor on another car at a local cruz the other day and the spade lugs were jumpered together With a single wire going to the firewall harness. What is the purpose of the sensor and spade connectors? Thanks for any info. Dave No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.47/2289 - Release Date: 08/07/09 18:37:00
Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS GRILLE/and grill paint in general
I'm replacing the grille on my '71 Malibu. I have a replacement from Year One which is a gray plastic, but I would like to paint it the original silver color. I have the original grille to try and match the paint , but I was wondering if anyone knew where I could get the correct paint? It also has some areas blacked out, where the screw mounting holes are. Also, how should the grille surface be prepared for painting? Should it be sanded with a fine sandpaper to scuff up the surface? Is there a primer that should be used? Thanks for you help. Tom Tomlinson '71 Malibu Dale wrote: Not quite true. The 67 300/300 Deluxe and Malibu did have the trim mounting holes on the top bar but they also were different in as much as the last egg-crate block next to the headlamps was filled (#3885980) where the SS grille was open from headlamp to headlamp (#3892182). The Concours wagon got a third grille (#3907432) that was open like the SS but had trim mounting holes like the Malibu. Dale McIntosh 1966/67 Chevelle Reference CDs ACES #1709/TC GOLD #92 -Original Message- And the '67's had SS grilles that had partially blacked out areas although the grill was identical (except for the badge holes) on the Malibu... _ avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com : Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 000735-2, 04/23/2007 Tested on: 4/25/2007 1:27:43 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software.
Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS GRILLE/and grill paint in general
And the '67's had SS grilles that had partially blacked out areas although the grill was identical (except for the badge holes) on the Malibu... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 05:45 AM To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS GRILLE Since we are on the subject of grilles, I know that the 69 SS grilles were black matt, but the end of those grilles were they black with the Silver outlines like the Malibu or were those ends black also like the interior grille Thanks Joe P. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS GRILLE They were all silver, SS grilles were painted before installed on SS cars. I've had a few NOS 1970 grilles, all have been silver. Tom Rightler MCC Newsletter Editor - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CHEVELLE-LIST@CHEVELLES.NET Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:01 AM Subject: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS GRILLE Did the SS grille for a 70 come new black or silver/gray from the factory? A friend has a nos 70 grille that is silver/gray and he says you have to paint it black, always been that way. Thats an awful lot of sanding edges and corners. Thanks, Les 70 396. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.5.10/774 - Release Date: 4/23/2007 5:26 PM AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS GRILLE/and grill paint in general
Not quite true. The 67 300/300 Deluxe and Malibu did have the trim mounting holes on the top bar but they also were different in as much as the last egg-crate block next to the headlamps was filled (#3885980) where the SS grille was open from headlamp to headlamp (#3892182). The Concours wagon got a third grille (#3907432) that was open like the SS but had trim mounting holes like the Malibu. Dale McIntosh 1966/67 Chevelle Reference CDs ACES #1709/TC GOLD #92 -Original Message- And the '67's had SS grilles that had partially blacked out areas although the grill was identical (except for the badge holes) on the Malibu... _ avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com : Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 000735-2, 04/23/2007 Tested on: 4/25/2007 1:27:43 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software.
Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS GRILLE
They were all silver, SS grilles were painted before installed on SS cars. I've had a few NOS 1970 grilles, all have been silver. Tom Rightler MCC Newsletter Editor - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CHEVELLE-LIST@CHEVELLES.NET Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:01 AM Subject: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS GRILLE Did the SS grille for a 70 come new black or silver/gray from the factory? A friend has a nos 70 grille that is silver/gray and he says you have to paint it black, always been that way. Thats an awful lot of sanding edges and corners. Thanks, Les 70 396. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.5.10/774 - Release Date: 4/23/2007 5:26 PM
Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS GRILLE
Since we are on the subject of grilles, I know that the 69 SS grilles were black matt, but the end of those grilles were they black with the Silver outlines like the Malibu or were those ends black also like the interior grille Thanks Joe P. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS GRILLE They were all silver, SS grilles were painted before installed on SS cars. I've had a few NOS 1970 grilles, all have been silver. Tom Rightler MCC Newsletter Editor - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CHEVELLE-LIST@CHEVELLES.NET Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:01 AM Subject: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS GRILLE Did the SS grille for a 70 come new black or silver/gray from the factory? A friend has a nos 70 grille that is silver/gray and he says you have to paint it black, always been that way. Thats an awful lot of sanding edges and corners. Thanks, Les 70 396. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.5.10/774 - Release Date: 4/23/2007 5:26 PM AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS question
Nice. --- John Nasta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First pic of the Malibu I looked at today: http://johnnasta.com/pass.jpg __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS question
Thanks. I think I would like to not bother pretending that it's an SS and put the Malibu 350 badges back on the fenders, and leave the Malibu trim on since it is so nice. I saw the 1970 paint chart and maroon metallic (looks like #78) is really nice. The car was originally medium blue metallic (#25). I'm not wild about red #75. The Castillian Bronze (dark red) #67 is nice. The bright dark blues and the buckskin, dark green, dark grey mist, and dark taupe are all nice too. I think dark taupe might be my fave. I'll have to see a real paint chart rather than one on the web. There's a medium gold one and a dark green one in my neighborhood. Both are four-door Malibus driven by old men, and they are both dented to heck. -Original Message- Nice. --- John Nasta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First pic of the Malibu I looked at today: http://johnnasta.com/pass.jpg
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Dale, your site is just so damned cool! Makes me think that the old Astro Blue is not so bad but there are a few others that I like better. I really like Black Cherry now that I've seen the colors on the cars.
Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS question
Also, what about the gauges? Were they round on Malibus too or only on SS cars?
Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS question
john, i own a 67, bought it in 1979, what i learned over the years is to just go by the numbers, what i thought came as a standard package was not true at all, it is how the car was ordered, with some people back then if they could save a buck or two they would pass on some options, hope this helps you out, ronnieJohn Nasta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would a 70 SS have had dual side mirrors or would that have been an option?In other words, would the absence of a RH mirror be an indication that it isnot a true SS? What about the rubber pad in the rear bumper?I have to head out of here pretty soon so hopefully somebody out thereknows. Saw some pics of the car today. It definitely has had some body andpaint work despite what the seller said. I can see the bondo cracking behindthe right front wheel. Then of course she says "Well I don't know. We'venever painted it. This is how we got it." There's a big difference betweenall original and never painted and "I don't know". Turns out that thequestion "How do you know for sure that it was an SS from the factory?"yields the same answer.Thank you,John Nasta Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.
Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS question
It may have been dealer or owner installed. The only option would have been a left side remote mirror. John, I you want, email me the pics of this car and all the info and I'll take a look at it. Is this car close to where I am? Tom
Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS question
In a message dated 3/4/2006 9:40:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: john, i own a 67, bought it in 1979, what i learned over the years is to just go by the numbers, what i thought came as a standard package was not true at all, it is how the car was ordered, with some people back then if they could save a buck or two they would pass on some options, hope this helps you out, ronnie Numbers do not mean anything in 1970. The SS was an option on the Malibu series. You could order the U14 instrumentation on a Malibu as well as a big block. Tom
Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS question
Thanks Tom. The current owners live in North East believe it or not. Home of the MCC show. I was able to ascertain that it was not an original SS car. I finally spoke to the husband and he said that it was a 350/TH350 Malibu. All the trim is there though and it looks pretty ok in pictures for what they are asking. There is one big dent in the right rear quarter that the owner says was not there when he put the car away, and there are some scratches on the trunk lid. Its also evident that there has been some bondo used, but it looks pretty good overall for the price. John Nasta -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 9:41 AM To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS question It may have been dealer or owner installed. The only option would have been a left side remote mirror. John, I you want, email me the pics of this car and all the info and I'll take a look at it. Is this car close to where I am? Tom
Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS question
In a message dated 3/4/2006 9:57:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks Tom. The current owners live in North East believe it or not. Home of the MCC show. I was able to ascertain that it was not an original SS car. I finally spoke to the husband and he said that it was a 350/TH350 Malibu. All the trim is there though and it looks pretty ok in pictures for what they are asking. There is one big dent in the right rear quarter that the owner says was not there when he put the car away, and there are some scratches on the trunk lid. It’s also evident that there has been some bondo used, but it looks pretty good overall for the price. John Nasta I'm going down that way today John. Do you want me to stop and check it out in person for you? Let me know. Tom
Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS question
First pic of the Malibu I looked at today: http://johnnasta.com/pass.jpg
Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS question
Note the SS stripes on the standard hood. I guess that means it's not an SS :)
Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS question
That and the trim along the top of the front fenders and door. Dale -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Nasta Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 7:23 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS question Note the SS stripes on the standard hood. I guess that means it's not an SS :)
Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS question
I assumed that the SS cars had all of the same trim as the Malibu. I guess not. Seems like lots of people are looking for those trim pieces. They are not being reproduced. I'm ok with the idea that it's a Malibu and not an SS. I'll feel less guilty about painting it aubergine. The car was originally blue (the lighter blue, not the midnight blue metallic). John Nasta -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dale Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 8:51 PM To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS question That and the trim along the top of the front fenders and door. Dale -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Nasta Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 7:23 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS question Note the SS stripes on the standard hood. I guess that means it's not an SS :)
Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS question
Did you purchase the car, John? -Original Message- From: John Nasta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mar 4, 2006 8:59 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS question I assumed that the SS cars had all of the same trim as the Malibu. I guess not. Seems like lots of people are looking for those trim pieces. They are not being reproduced. I'm ok with the idea that it's a Malibu and not an SS. I'll feel less guilty about painting it aubergine. The car was originally blue (the lighter blue, not the midnight blue metallic). John Nasta -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dale Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 8:51 PM To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS question That and the trim along the top of the front fenders and door. Dale -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Nasta Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 7:23 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS question Note the SS stripes on the standard hood. I guess that means it's not an SS :)
Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS question
Not officially, but I would like to. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 9:02 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS question Did you purchase the car, John?
Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS' AT AUCTION?
Are you asking about the 70 LS6 convertible or what ? Larry (Z) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1,1item=4594270724sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT
RE: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS' AT AUCTION?
No sir, I posted about a pair (one looked orange and one dark blue or black)that weregoing to auction here in Indy on the 16th of Dec. Reserve was 15K each. Wondered if anyone from the list made it out to look or confirm they were real SS cars. STUART KINNAMAN SAMPLE CUSTODIAN HERITAGE ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES 7901 W. MORRIS INDIANAPOLIS IN 46231 MAN 317 390 3177 MACHINE 317 390 3699 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 2:14 PMTo: Chevelle-list@chevelles.netSubject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS' AT AUCTION? Are you asking about the 70 LS6 convertible or what ? Larry (Z) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1,1item=4594270724sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT
Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS' AT AUCTION?
Amy, the Meijer computer, called. You, as a loyal Meijer credit card user, are eligible to receive 15% off all general merchandise, clothing and whatnot... - Original Message - From: Shipping To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 2:23 PM Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS' AT AUCTION? No sir, I posted about a pair (one looked orange and one dark blue or black)that weregoing to auction here in Indy on the 16th of Dec. Reserve was 15K each. Wondered if anyone from the list made it out to look or confirm they were real SS cars. STUART KINNAMAN SAMPLE CUSTODIAN HERITAGE ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES 7901 W. MORRIS INDIANAPOLIS IN 46231 MAN 317 390 3177 MACHINE 317 390 3699 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 2:14 PMTo: Chevelle-list@chevelles.netSubject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 SS' AT AUCTION? Are you asking about the 70 LS6 convertible or what ? Larry (Z) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1,1item=4594270724sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT
Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 ss only
I have a 70 LS5 car but it unfortunately isn't near original showroom condition but a nice cruiser. Walt http://www.personal.kent.edu/~wbainey/CHEVELLE.htm - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 1:07 pm Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 ss only can some one do a count on the list of who has a 1970 original ss chevelle IM curious to see how many owners are on here
Re: Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 ss only
Ed,you don't have a 396,,unless the motor isn't original,,all 70 -72's were 402's,,fact. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu Jun 16, 12:16 AM To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 ss only 1970 Chevelle SS Convertible. 396, Muncie M-21, original 14 inch wheels. A few things have been changed out over the years, headlights, top, things like that, but the drivetrain is still intact. Ed Fleshman Columbia, SC EFMF - My Personal Automotive Page 1970 Chevelle SS Convertible. 396, Muncie M-21, original 14 inch wheels. A few things have been changed out over the years, headlights, top, things like that, but the drivetrain is still intact. Ed Fleshman Columbia, SC EFMF - My Personal Automotive Page
Re: Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 ss only
I had read somewhere that the 396's ('66 - '69) actually measure out to be
a 402, but were called 396 to just come under some criteria at that time.
Anyone else able to support this?
Krister
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Ed,you don't have a 396,,unless the motor isn't original,,all 70 -72's
were 402's,,fact.
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1970 Chevelle SS Convertible. 396, Muncie M-21, original 14 inch wheels.
A
few things have been changed out over the years, headlights, top, things
like
that, but the drivetrain is still intact.
Ed Fleshman
Columbia, SC
EFMF - My Personal Automotive Page
1970 Chevelle SS Convertible. 396, Muncie M-21, original 14 inch wheels. A
few things have been changed out over the years, headlights, top, things
like that, but the drivetrain is still intact.
Ed Fleshman
Columbia, SC
EFMF - My Personal Automotive Page
Re: Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 ss only
Hi,
What I remember is up to 69 it was a 396 and after 70 the bore was
increased .030 which made it a 402 but was still badged and called a 396.
Some cars like the Monte Carlo and I think full size it was refered to as a
400 Big Block and they also had the 400 Small Block to make it more
confusing...
I don't know why they went .030 over, maybe they had a bunch of blocks they
were able to rework with the over bore? Anyone know why they went .030 over?
Gene
www.genesgeneralrestorationparts.com
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I had read somewhere that the 396's ('66 - '69) actually measure out to be
a 402, but were called 396 to just come under some criteria at that time.
Anyone else able to support this?
Krister
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Ed,you don't have a 396,,unless the motor isn't original,,all 70 -72's
were 402's,,fact.
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1970 Chevelle SS Convertible. 396, Muncie M-21, original 14 inch wheels.
A
few things have been changed out over the years, headlights, top, things
like
that, but the drivetrain is still intact.
Ed Fleshman
Columbia, SC
EFMF - My Personal Automotive Page
1970 Chevelle SS Convertible. 396, Muncie M-21, original 14 inch wheels. A
few things have been changed out over the years, headlights, top, things
like that, but the drivetrain is still intact.
Ed Fleshman
Columbia, SC
EFMF - My Personal Automotive Page
RE: Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 ss only
I think that it was other way around.. in 70 (71?) and later, what they were
calling 396s were actually 402s. 402 = .030-over 396, I believe.
Before '70, GM had a restriction of no more than 400ci in a mid-size.
-Dave
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I had read somewhere that the 396's ('66 - '69) actually measure out to be
a 402, but were called 396 to just come under some criteria at that time.
Anyone else able to support this?
Krister
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Ed,you don't have a 396,,unless the motor isn't original,,all 70 -72's
were 402's,,fact.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu Jun 16, 12:16 AM
To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 ss only
1970 Chevelle SS Convertible. 396, Muncie M-21, original 14 inch wheels.
A
few things have been changed out over the years, headlights, top, things
like
that, but the drivetrain is still intact.
Ed Fleshman
Columbia, SC
EFMF - My Personal Automotive Page
1970 Chevelle SS Convertible. 396, Muncie M-21, original 14 inch wheels. A
few things have been changed out over the years, headlights, top, things
like that, but the drivetrain is still intact.
Ed Fleshman
Columbia, SC
EFMF - My Personal Automotive Page
Re: Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 ss only
I had read somewhere that the 396's ('66 - '69) actually measure out to be
a 402, but were called 396 to just come under some criteria at that time.
Anyone else able to support this?
Krister
GM had a policy in the 60's that all mid size and smaller cars couldn't
have engines over 400 CI. The policy was changed in the 70's to allow the
454's and 455's in Chevelles, 442s, GTOs, and Buick GSs.
BillL
RE: [Chevelle-list] 70 ss only
I've heard 'stories' that due to a strike in late 1969, blocks sat around and got rusty. There were some 402's in late 69 (noted by the 3-letter suffix code). When the strike was over the blocks had to bored .030 for cleanup and since pistons had to be changed, GM kept it that way. I don't buy that for a minute. Probably had more to do with meeting emission standards than anything else. FWIW, Buick managed to get over on the ban since there engine was really the same 401 as the rest of the line but advertised it as a 400 until the ban was lifted. Dale McIntosh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clint Hooper Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 11:15 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: [Chevelle-list] 70 ss only Gene is correct and brings up a very good point; why did GM increase the displacement to 402ci? Maybe Chuck Hanson or someone else in the know can shed a little light on the subject. Clint Hooper HH Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Gene's General Restoration Parts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, What I remember is up to 69 it was a 396 and after 70 the bore was increased .030 which made it a 402 but was still badged and called a 396. Some cars like the Monte Carlo and I think full size it was refered to as a 400 Big Block and they also had the 400 Small Block to make it more confusing... I don't know why they went .030 over, maybe they had a bunch of blocks they were able to rework with the over bore? Anyone know why they went .030 over? Gene www.genesgeneralrestorationparts.com
Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 ss only
I've tried to dig up some official original factory documentation on the 396/402 change, but came up empty. I remember seeing/reading something years ago, and the reason stated in the article discussing the 402 (396ci +.030) was to produce a more favorable bore/stroke ratio in the pursuit of reduced emissions. Back then, emission controls were in their infancy and the OE's were trying lots of different methods to help them mitigate the expulsion of unburned hydrocarbons into the atmosphere. Playing with bore/stroke ratios was one of them. Some of you may also remember the 307 small-block, which was contrived by combining the 327 stroke and a 283 bore. It, too, was an experiment in emissions reduction. Getting back to the 402, it was first introduced in late-production '69 Chevelles, and the easiest way to ID them is the addition of a C prefix to the engine code stamped on the front of the engine block. For instance, a normal 396/350hp/4spd Chevelle engine would have a JC engine code, while the 402 version of the same engine would feature a CJC stamping on the front of the block. The addition of the C prefix carried over to the '70 and subsequent engine codes. To the best of my knowledge, the 402 supplanted the 396 in all '70 and later Chevys. As for retaining the '70 SS396 moniker (even though the engine actually displaced 402ci), that was a marketing ploy pure and simple. Since it's inception in '66, the SS396 just kinda rolled off the tongue easy and became synonymous with Chevy high performance. Understandably, Chevy was reluctant to give up the equity they had in such a catchy name and kept it as long as they could. In '71, however, the Super Sport with the 402ci big-block was referred to as merely an SS, and the 396 emblems that hung below the SS badges on the fenders were eliminated as well. Please feel free to add or edit my recollections if your differ from mine... Chuck on 6/16/05 11:14 AM, Clint Hooper at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gene is correct and brings up a very good point; why did GM increase the displacement to 402ci? Maybe Chuck Hanson or someone else in the know can shed a little light on the subject. Clint Hooper HH Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Gene's General Restoration Parts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, What I remember is up to 69 it was a 396 and after 70 the bore was increased .030 which made it a 402 but was still badged and called a 396. Some cars like the Monte Carlo and I think full size it was refered to as a 400 Big Block and they also had the 400 Small Block to make it more confusing... I don't know why they went .030 over, maybe they had a bunch of blocks they were able to rework with the over bore? Anyone know why they went .030 over? Gene www.genesgeneralrestorationparts.com
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Here are two directquotes from Musclecarclub.com-Chevrolet Chevelle-History 1969 - "Late in the 1969 model year, the 396 was bored out to 402 cubic engines, reportedly to meet new emission standards." 1970 -"Responding to the lifting of GM's ban on engines larger than 400 cid in midsize cars, Chevrolet responded by dropping in a new 454 cubic engine into its Chevelle SS." Larry (Z)
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the story that has been heard around the machine shops for years is that the cores for the 396 castings had wore-out and the .03 over size got the yield back to acceptable levels. the other story that I have heard over and over is there was a misprint on a blueprint for the new casting cores with the same result . Geoff Right Foot Engine Shop - Original Message - From: Chuck Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 ss only I've tried to dig up some official original factory documentation on the 396/402 change, but came up empty. I remember seeing/reading something years ago, and the reason stated in the article discussing the 402 (396ci +.030) was to produce a more favorable bore/stroke ratio in the pursuit of reduced emissions. Back then, emission controls were in their infancy and the OE's were trying lots of different methods to help them mitigate the expulsion of unburned hydrocarbons into the atmosphere. Playing with bore/stroke ratios was one of them. Some of you may also remember the 307 small-block, which was contrived by combining the 327 stroke and a 283 bore. It, too, was an experiment in emissions reduction. Getting back to the 402, it was first introduced in late-production '69 Chevelles, and the easiest way to ID them is the addition of a C prefix to the engine code stamped on the front of the engine block. For instance, a normal 396/350hp/4spd Chevelle engine would have a JC engine code, while the 402 version of the same engine would feature a CJC stamping on the front of the block. The addition of the C prefix carried over to the '70 and subsequent engine codes. To the best of my knowledge, the 402 supplanted the 396 in all '70 and later Chevys. As for retaining the '70 SS396 moniker (even though the engine actually displaced 402ci), that was a marketing ploy pure and simple. Since it's inception in '66, the SS396 just kinda rolled off the tongue easy and became synonymous with Chevy high performance. Understandably, Chevy was reluctant to give up the equity they had in such a catchy name and kept it as long as they could. In '71, however, the Super Sport with the 402ci big-block was referred to as merely an SS, and the 396 emblems that hung below the SS badges on the fenders were eliminated as well. Please feel free to add or edit my recollections if your differ from mine... Chuck on 6/16/05 11:14 AM, Clint Hooper at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gene is correct and brings up a very good point; why did GM increase the displacement to 402ci? Maybe Chuck Hanson or someone else in the know can shed a little light on the subject. Clint Hooper HH Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Gene's General Restoration Parts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, What I remember is up to 69 it was a 396 and after 70 the bore was increased .030 which made it a 402 but was still badged and called a 396. Some cars like the Monte Carlo and I think full size it was refered to as a 400 Big Block and they also had the 400 Small Block to make it more confusing... I don't know why they went .030 over, maybe they had a bunch of blocks they were able to rework with the over bore? Anyone know why they went .030 over? Gene www.genesgeneralrestorationparts.com
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can some one do a count on the list of who has a 1970 original ss chevelle IM curious to see how many owners are on here
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I have an original, number matching, LS5 SS, 4speed,AC. Just finished the restoration this winter. Restored it to mostly original except for the Cragars, Hurst Shifter and exhaust system. Do have a bit stronger cam and 0.030 overbore. Jerry Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] ACES 5923
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well,I use to be an owner, we had ours 33 yrs,just sold it 2 wks. ago From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed Jun 15, 1:07 PM To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 ss only can some one do a count on the list of who has a 1970 original ss chevelle IM curious to see how many owners are on here can some one do a count on the list of who has a 1970 original ss chevelle IM curious to see how many owners are on here
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1970 was a great year, Jerry. Drive it like you stole it! lol mike --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have an original, number matching, LS5 SS, 4speed, AC. Just finished the restoration this winter. Restored it to mostly original except for the Cragars, Hurst Shifter and exhaust system. Do have a bit stronger cam and 0.030 overbore. Jerry Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] ACES 5923 __ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html
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1970 Chevelle SS Convertible. 396, Muncie M-21, original 14 inch wheels. A few things have been changed out over the years, headlights, top, things like that, but the drivetrain is still intact. Ed Fleshman Columbia, SC EFMF - My Personal Automotive Page
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Galen,
They are 4.25 back with a -06 offset (see http://www.edelbrockwheels.com/wheelcatalogdetail.asp?wheel=409).
No significant rubbing. Occassionally, if I've got the wheels to full right lock
and hit a bump going uphill (see what I mean about "occassionally), the left
front tire will contact an inner fender attachment bolt head. Some day I'll get
around to grinding off the head or putting a panhead screw in there or
something. Meanwhile, I'm just careful entering and exiting parking
lots..!
Really, no problems to speak of so far. But
it's worthwhile to remember I have new Eaton Detroit BB springs up front and
fresh control arm bushings, ball joints and other stuff. The running gear is,
for all intents and purposes, all new. I've been told to be careful buying front
springs on a "deal" because they'll sag in pretty short order where the Eaton
springs will maintain their stance over time. I don't know if this is true, but
Eaton is just down the road from me so I ran with the idea. Also, they'll work
with you to swap springs in out until you get exactly the right look,
too.
They ride a tad harder than stock due to
reduced sidewall but it's a non-issue in a performance car, IMHO. Also, being so
wide, they like to "track" a bit, but again, not really an issue for me.
Craig
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Melissa LoveSent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 10:42
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I agree, Craig, that tire/wheel combo looks great
on your Chevelle! Do you happen to know what backspacing your wheels
are? Any rubbing problems?
Thanks,
Galen
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Thanks,
Andre, I appreciate it.
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Now Craig,
That looks cool !
Kind Regards
André
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I put
17x8's all around. 275/40 on rear and 245/45 front. www.neagroup.com/chevelle.htm
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[Chevelle-List] 70 SS wheels and tires size
I bought a 70 Chevelle SS 454. I
have the stock 14" rims, but would like to put the 15 inch Cragar SS
5-spoke mags on it. What width rims and tires would you
recommend. I would like to go wider on the back without altering
the wheel wells. What brand of tire looks/works well for the
street?
Thanks.
Dale
Re: [Chevelle-List] 70 SS wheels and tires size
I did this setup using Cragar SS rims with larger rims/tires on the rear and thinner onthe front. Used 15x7's on the front and 15x8's on the rear. Tires are Kelly Chargers, front - P215/70R15 rear - P275/60R15 You can see pictures of this setup here: http://home.attbi.com/~addss/chevelle.html and a larger pic here: http://home.attbi.com/~addss/ss-side2.jpg -- Jeff Fischer Lake Elmo, MN '71 Chevelle SS, 454, 4 spd http://home.attbi.com/~addss/chevelle.html At 09:22 PM 9/3/2002 -0500, you wrote: I bought a 70 Chevelle SS 454. I have the stock 14 rims, but would like to put the 15 inch Cragar SS 5-spoke mags on it. What width rims and tires would you recommend. I would like to go wider on the back without altering the wheel wells. What brand of tire looks/works well for the street? Thanks. Dale
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I put 17x8's all around. 275/40 on rear and 245/45 front. www.neagroup.com/chevelle.htm -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dale FortneySent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 10:23 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Chevelle-List] 70 SS wheels and tires size I bought a 70 Chevelle SS 454. I have the stock 14" rims, but would like to put the 15 inch Cragar SS 5-spoke mags on it. What width rims and tires would you recommend. I would like to go wider on the back without altering the wheel wells. What brand of tire looks/works well for the street? Thanks. Dale
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Now Craig, That looks cool ! Kind Regards André - Original Message - From: Craig A. Ellis To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 2:54 PM Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] 70 SS wheels and tires size I put 17x8's all around. 275/40 on rear and 245/45 front. www.neagroup.com/chevelle.htm -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dale FortneySent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 10:23 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Chevelle-List] 70 SS wheels and tires size I bought a 70 Chevelle SS 454. I have the stock 14" rims, but would like to put the 15 inch Cragar SS 5-spoke mags on it. What width rims and tires would you recommend. I would like to go wider on the back without altering the wheel wells. What brand of tire looks/works well for the street? Thanks. Dale
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Thanks, Andre, I appreciate it. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of TigerguttSent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 10:56 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] 70 SS wheels and tires size Now Craig, That looks cool ! Kind Regards André - Original Message - From: Craig A. Ellis To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 2:54 PM Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] 70 SS wheels and tires size I put 17x8's all around. 275/40 on rear and 245/45 front. www.neagroup.com/chevelle.htm -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dale FortneySent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 10:23 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Chevelle-List] 70 SS wheels and tires size I bought a 70 Chevelle SS 454. I have the stock 14" rims, but would like to put the 15 inch Cragar SS 5-spoke mags on it. What width rims and tires would you recommend. I would like to go wider on the back without altering the wheel wells. What brand of tire looks/works well for the street? Thanks. Dale
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Thank you. Dale - Original Message - From: Craig A. Ellis To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 7:54 AM Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] 70 SS wheels and tires size I put 17x8's all around. 275/40 on rear and 245/45 front. www.neagroup.com/chevelle.htm -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dale FortneySent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 10:23 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Chevelle-List] 70 SS wheels and tires size I bought a 70 Chevelle SS 454. I have the stock 14" rims, but would like to put the 15 inch Cragar SS 5-spoke mags on it. What width rims and tires would you recommend. I would like to go wider on the back without altering the wheel wells. What brand of tire looks/works well for the street? Thanks. Dale
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Thank you. Dale - Original Message - From: Jeff Fischer To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] 70 SS wheels and tires size I did this setup using Cragar SS rims with larger rims/tires on the rear and thinner onthe front. Used 15x7's on the front and 15x8's on the rear. Tires are Kelly Chargers, front - P215/70R15rear - P275/60R15You can see pictures of this setup here: http://home.attbi.com/~addss/chevelle.html and a larger pic here: http://home.attbi.com/~addss/ss-side2.jpg--Jeff FischerLake Elmo, MN'71 Chevelle SS, 454, 4 spdhttp://home.attbi.com/~addss/chevelle.htmlAt 09:22 PM 9/3/2002 -0500, you wrote: I bought a 70 Chevelle SS 454. I have the stock 14" rims, but would like to put the 15 inch Cragar SS 5-spoke mags on it. What width rims and tires would you recommend. I would like to go wider on the back without altering the wheel wells. What brand of tire looks/works well for the street?Thanks.Dale
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Kelly, Check out, or if you're out of money after buying the house do not check out the 70 ssad Larry posted earlyer. André -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kelly C. HannaSent: 15. januar 2002 01:49To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Texas + corvette rearAt 02:51 PM 01/14/2002, you wrote: Kelly,forgot to ask you.how is everything going in the "new" house.Very well, thanks AndreWe love the house...it's perfect for us both. I guess there'll never be a car in the garage (my shop is in there and I'm getting busier every day). So if I ever get the 70 SS I want it'll have to go somewhere else. But the place is great, got a park out front and a "mountain" in the backyard. It doesn't get much better than this in the city Kelly C. Hannawww.hannawoodworks.com
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At 12:47 PM 01/18/2002, you wrote: Kelly, Check out, or if you're out of money after buying the house do not check out the 70 ss ad Larry posted earlyer. I am broke, the other house hasn't sold yet, but I'm working at a pretty good sized project now.things will only get busier nowmy ad comes out next week. I will have to wait several years to get my next car though Kelly C. Hanna www.hannawoodworks.com
Re: [Chevelle-List] 70 SS guage set and wiring harness
hey galen, i'm VERY interested in that gauge set although i dont have a '71 set ta trade ya , i would like, however ta purchase it from ya, do ya also have the dash ta go with it ? please e-mail me direct at the address below. Rob Fam [EMAIL PROTECTED] . - Original Message - From: Galen and Melissa Love To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 3:50 PM Subject: [Chevelle-List] 70 SS guage set and wiring harness Hey fellas, I've got a used '70 SS guage set (w/tach) and wiring harness (non-A/C). I'm in the middle ofperforming a swap into my non-SS '71 Chevelle with A/C(I know we've all been through the SS/non-SS discussion before, I don't want to get that stirred up again). Anyway, while performing the swap, I became aware of the many differences between a '70 and a '71 harness, and between an SS and a non-SS harness. If anyone out there has a '71 SS guage set and wiring harness (for a car with A/C), I'd be glad to make a trade for my '70 SS guage set and wiring harness which is non-A/C. I think this would simplify the installation process by not having to reconcile these differences myself. So, ifany of you would like tomake a trade, let me know and maybe we can work something out. Thanks, Galen Love '71 Chevelle Malibu http://www.phys.ksu.edu/~grl4338
