Re: [Chevelle-List] Electrical problem...FIXED!!!
Yep... that seems to be it.. Oh if I would have listened.. would have saved me a lot of time.. Larry - Original Message - From: "Chevelle 69" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 7:54 PM Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Electrical problem...FIXED!!! > > So does this mean that someone removed the light but left the wires > .and the tape came off after a while and grounded out the wires to > the body? > > --- > Wish I had listened about the dome light.. I don't actually have a dome > light anymore, so I didn't think that was the problem.. I really > appreciate all the help and the fact that you are all willing to share > knowledge.. > > thanks > Larry > > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] Electrical problem...FIXED!!!
So does this mean that someone removed the light but left the wires .and the tape came off after a while and grounded out the wires to the body? --- Wish I had listened about the dome light.. I don't actually have a dome light anymore, so I didn't think that was the problem.. I really appreciate all the help and the fact that you are all willing to share knowledge.. thanks Larry - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Electrical problem...FIXED!!!
All, Wish I had listened about the dome light.. I don't actually have a dome light anymore, so I didn't think that was the problem.. I really appreciate all the help and the fact that you are all willing to share knowledge.. thanks Larry - Original Message - From: "Richard Milkiewicz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Electrical problem... Danny, that's a great idea. I would never have thought of that. I'm going to try it out the next time I have a problem. Rich "66 Malibu ACES # 5066 - Original Message - From: "Danny Wilsher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 3:41 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Electrical problem... A good tip to save fuses is to get a flasher (like the one that goes in the fuse block or hangs somewhere under the dash) and wire some spade lugs to it and make it where it can be attached to the two ends where the fuse plugs into. This will make the flasher click if there is a short. When the short is found, (by unplugging different harnesses), the flasher will go silent and you will know that you have located the place where the short was. And you saved a lot of blown fuses.. Ðäññÿ .. - Original Message - From: "Dave Benjamin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Electrical problem... : One of the ways I track stuff down is to unplug the harnesses. : : 1.Most have a plug that goes to the harness under the carpet which feeds the : trunk, try that first and put in fuse. : : 2. If it holds try the plug in the trunk (plug the one under dash back : together). : Unplug and put in fuse. If fuse holds then check out back harness. Light : bulbs can also short out if they quit the wrong way. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Also don't forget, (and I think someone mentioned it before), that the dome light is also in that circuit. Wouldn't hurt to check that out either. Take it easy. Dan McIntosh - Original Message - From: "Wayne Kline" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Electrical problem...UPDATE > Great News Larry, B-4 you rip all you sound deadner up. remove you back seat > and in the wheel well area drivers side ,is the connector that converts the > ribbon back to the conventional rear tail lamp wire harness. > un-plug it and replug it under the dash , fi you have dash lights the ribbon > ok. do not replug it and ring out the rear harness. Remove the bulbs from > there sockets , don't forget backup.and licence plate lamps. With a VOM or > continunity tester. all pins shoud be open or shoe no continunity to Ground > / body. Thonly wire that should have Res/cont is the tan wire (fuel gauge) > in the harnes. > Look at the Brown wires . as they are you running light circuit, and that > the one that seems to be shorted ? > > GL > > Wayne > - Original Message - > From: "Larry Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 10:34 PM > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Electrical problem...UPDATE > > > > Well.. thanks for all the help so far.. I seem to have isolated the > > problem to the wiring harness that runs to the back of the car... I unplug > > that and the dash lights work.. I unplugged the rear lights from the other > > side of the harness and the fuse still blows... So if my logic is correct > > the problem is in that wire somewhere The bummer thing is that I have > > sound deadening material and it could be nasty finding the problem :) > > > > Larry > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Richard Milkiewicz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 8:22 AM > > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Electrical problem... > > > > > > Danny, that's a great idea. I would never have thought of that. I'm going > to > > try it out the next time I have a problem. > > Rich > > "66 Malibu > > ACES # 5066 > > - Original Message - > > From: "Danny Wilsher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 3:41 AM > > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Electrical problem... > > > > > > A good tip to save fuses is to get a flasher (like the one that goes in > the > > fuse block or hangs somewhere under the dash) and wire some spade lugs to > it > > and make it where it can be attached to the two ends where the fuse plugs > > into. This will make the flasher click if there is a short. When the short > > is found, (by unplugging different harnesses), the flasher will go silent > > and you will know that you have located the place where the short was. And > > you saved a lot of blown fuses.. > > Ðäññÿ .. > > - Original Message - > > From: "Dave Benjamin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 9:45 PM > > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Electrical problem... > > > > > > : One of the ways I track stuff down is to unplug the harnesses. > > : > > : 1.Most have a plug that goes to the harness under the carpet which feeds > > the > > : trunk, try that first and put in fuse. > > : > > : 2. If it holds try the plug in the trunk (plug the one under dash back > > : together). > > : Unplug and put in fuse. If fuse holds then check out back harness. Light > > : bulbs can also short out if they quit the wrong way. > > > > > > - > > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > - > > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > - > > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Great News Larry, B-4 you rip all you sound deadner up. remove you back seat and in the wheel well area drivers side ,is the connector that converts the ribbon back to the conventional rear tail lamp wire harness. un-plug it and replug it under the dash , fi you have dash lights the ribbon ok. do not replug it and ring out the rear harness. Remove the bulbs from there sockets , don't forget backup.and licence plate lamps. With a VOM or continunity tester. all pins shoud be open or shoe no continunity to Ground / body. Thonly wire that should have Res/cont is the tan wire (fuel gauge) in the harnes. Look at the Brown wires . as they are you running light circuit, and that the one that seems to be shorted ? GL Wayne - Original Message - From: "Larry Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Electrical problem...UPDATE > Well.. thanks for all the help so far.. I seem to have isolated the > problem to the wiring harness that runs to the back of the car... I unplug > that and the dash lights work.. I unplugged the rear lights from the other > side of the harness and the fuse still blows... So if my logic is correct > the problem is in that wire somewhere The bummer thing is that I have > sound deadening material and it could be nasty finding the problem :) > > Larry > - Original Message - > From: "Richard Milkiewicz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 8:22 AM > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Electrical problem... > > > Danny, that's a great idea. I would never have thought of that. I'm going to > try it out the next time I have a problem. > Rich > "66 Malibu > ACES # 5066 > - Original Message - > From: "Danny Wilsher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 3:41 AM > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Electrical problem... > > > A good tip to save fuses is to get a flasher (like the one that goes in the > fuse block or hangs somewhere under the dash) and wire some spade lugs to it > and make it where it can be attached to the two ends where the fuse plugs > into. This will make the flasher click if there is a short. When the short > is found, (by unplugging different harnesses), the flasher will go silent > and you will know that you have located the place where the short was. And > you saved a lot of blown fuses...... > Ðäññÿ ...... > - Original Message - > From: "Dave Benjamin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 9:45 PM > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Electrical problem... > > > : One of the ways I track stuff down is to unplug the harnesses. > : > : 1.Most have a plug that goes to the harness under the carpet which feeds > the > : trunk, try that first and put in fuse. > : > : 2. If it holds try the plug in the trunk (plug the one under dash back > : together). > : Unplug and put in fuse. If fuse holds then check out back harness. Light > : bulbs can also short out if they quit the wrong way. > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Electrical problem...UPDATE
Well.. thanks for all the help so far.. I seem to have isolated the problem to the wiring harness that runs to the back of the car... I unplug that and the dash lights work.. I unplugged the rear lights from the other side of the harness and the fuse still blows... So if my logic is correct the problem is in that wire somewhere The bummer thing is that I have sound deadening material and it could be nasty finding the problem :) Larry - Original Message - From: "Richard Milkiewicz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Electrical problem... Danny, that's a great idea. I would never have thought of that. I'm going to try it out the next time I have a problem. Rich "66 Malibu ACES # 5066 - Original Message - From: "Danny Wilsher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 3:41 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Electrical problem... A good tip to save fuses is to get a flasher (like the one that goes in the fuse block or hangs somewhere under the dash) and wire some spade lugs to it and make it where it can be attached to the two ends where the fuse plugs into. This will make the flasher click if there is a short. When the short is found, (by unplugging different harnesses), the flasher will go silent and you will know that you have located the place where the short was. And you saved a lot of blown fuses.. Ðäññÿ .. - Original Message - From: "Dave Benjamin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Electrical problem... : One of the ways I track stuff down is to unplug the harnesses. : : 1.Most have a plug that goes to the harness under the carpet which feeds the : trunk, try that first and put in fuse. : : 2. If it holds try the plug in the trunk (plug the one under dash back : together). : Unplug and put in fuse. If fuse holds then check out back harness. Light : bulbs can also short out if they quit the wrong way. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Danny, that's a great idea. I would never have thought of that. I'm going to try it out the next time I have a problem. Rich "66 Malibu ACES # 5066 - Original Message - From: "Danny Wilsher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 3:41 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Electrical problem... A good tip to save fuses is to get a flasher (like the one that goes in the fuse block or hangs somewhere under the dash) and wire some spade lugs to it and make it where it can be attached to the two ends where the fuse plugs into. This will make the flasher click if there is a short. When the short is found, (by unplugging different harnesses), the flasher will go silent and you will know that you have located the place where the short was. And you saved a lot of blown fuses.. Ðäññÿ .. - Original Message - From: "Dave Benjamin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Electrical problem... : One of the ways I track stuff down is to unplug the harnesses. : : 1.Most have a plug that goes to the harness under the carpet which feeds the : trunk, try that first and put in fuse. : : 2. If it holds try the plug in the trunk (plug the one under dash back : together). : Unplug and put in fuse. If fuse holds then check out back harness. Light : bulbs can also short out if they quit the wrong way. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I finally found my wiring diagram and will start removing things.. I appreciate all the kind help time to start working.. Larry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 1:05 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Electrical problem... Im having the same problem on my 66, as your having on your 65. It blows the same circut. Two weeks ago it blew about 3 fuses in one day. But now, It doesnt blow any fuses. I had that problem about a year ago also, so my short my be a wire thats grounding out everynow and then, which makes it really really hard to fix. Im going to assume that your dome light is on this circut also. Sometimes they ground out, as mine did once. Take out the light bulb and make sure the connectors arent touching, and put a fuse in, if it doesnt blow, there yah go, if it does, at least you know its not those wires. -Tim1966 Chevelle
Re: [Chevelle-List] Electrical problem...
A good tip to save fuses is to get a flasher (like the one that goes in the fuse block or hangs somewhere under the dash) and wire some spade lugs to it and make it where it can be attached to the two ends where the fuse plugs into. This will make the flasher click if there is a short. When the short is found, (by unplugging different harnesses), the flasher will go silent and you will know that you have located the place where the short was. And you saved a lot of blown fuses.. Ðäññÿ .. - Original Message - From: "Dave Benjamin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Electrical problem... : One of the ways I track stuff down is to unplug the harnesses. : : 1.Most have a plug that goes to the harness under the carpet which feeds the : trunk, try that first and put in fuse. : : 2. If it holds try the plug in the trunk (plug the one under dash back : together). : Unplug and put in fuse. If fuse holds then check out back harness. Light : bulbs can also short out if they quit the wrong way. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Im having the same problem on my 66, as your having on your 65. It blows the same circut. Two weeks ago it blew about 3 fuses in one day. But now, It doesnt blow any fuses. I had that problem about a year ago also, so my short my be a wire thats grounding out everynow and then, which makes it really really hard to fix. Im going to assume that your dome light is on this circut also. Sometimes they ground out, as mine did once. Take out the light bulb and make sure the connectors arent touching, and put a fuse in, if it doesnt blow, there yah go, if it does, at least you know its not those wires. -Tim 1966 Chevelle
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I found another fuse blown on top of my problem like yours. Two blown fuses. Well i started probing around and found a couple of wires grounding out.I just started unplugging them and tucking and taping the dangiling ones and fuse blowing problems have gone away.Hope it is this simple . Also found some "Jim McCutchin"wires under the hood and took care of them. My battery was not secured properly, just a lot of stuff piled up and no time or energy to tackle it until I made time. - Original Message - From: Larry Brown To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 2:08 PM Subject: [Chevelle-List] Electrical problem... I am having a problem with my 65 chevelle wagon.. I don't have any rear lights for dash lights.. when I install the fuse it snaps immediately. Also I am getting static shocks from my car(not sure if this is real or just imagined ;)) Any ideas on how to diagnose where the real problem is... I am look at the wires behind the dash, just looks like spaghetti... Thanks in advance.. Larry
Re: [Chevelle-List] Electrical problem...
One of the ways I track stuff down is to unplug the harnesses. 1.Most have a plug that goes to the harness under the carpet which feeds the trunk, try that first and put in fuse. 2. If it holds try the plug in the trunk (plug the one under dash back together). Unplug and put in fuse. If fuse holds then check out back harness. Light bulbs can also short out if they quit the wrong way. Dave Ingersoll,Ontario My web site: http://members.tripod.com/benj30/ - Original Message - From: "jfg69" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Electrical problem... > On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:08:03 -0600, Larry Brown { insert non-offensive, text only, correctly > spelled header to your liking here :) }said > >I am having a problem with my 65 chevelle wagon.. I don't have any > >rear lights for dash lights.. when I install the fuse it snaps > >immediately. Also I am getting static shocks from my car(not sure if > >this is real or just imagined ;)) Any ideas on how to diagnose > >where the real problem is... I am look at the wires behind the > >dash, just looks like spaghetti... > > > >Thanks in advance.. > > > >Larry > > > > > Larry, I had this problem on my 66, the harness wiring in the trunk was next to a metal and rubbed > through in a small spot. The problem was intermittent, as the bare spot would contact the metal > when hitting bumps etc...took me quite some time to figure it out. You may want to try using a > multimeter or test light to check the wires in the trunk for shorts one by one. > > jerry > > > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Title: Message Larry, If you're going to rewire the car and don't want the pricey factory replacement stuff, you might give Painless wiring a look (http://www.painlesswiring.com/). They offer a "universal" 18 circuit unit (part #10202) that Summit sells for $286. They also have a 12 circuit unit (part #10102) for $258. For the $28 difference, I'd get the 18 circuit unit every time to allow for expansion. While not GM color coded, the wires are color coded and marked every few inches. Just offering an alternative if you decide to redo the entire car. Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 67SS/67 Elky Dale's Place Team67Midwest Chevelle Regionals -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Larry BrownSent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 6:17 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Electrical problem... Can you point me to some of the easier to install kits... I found this one.. what do you think? http://www.centechwire.com/catalog/universal/k2040.shtml thanks Larry - Original Message - From: Chevelle 69 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 4:55 PM Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Electrical problem... Larry, Just my opinion, but: 1. It has a malfunction that is going to be tough to troubleshoot. 2. It's a mess and looks like spaghetti under the dash. 3. The wiring sounds like the original which had barely adequate insulation on the wiring for then and is way behind the quality available today. If you want to add accessories and higher amperage alternator that just ads to the wiring not being up to the job. I say 3 strikes and it's out! Time to re-wire the wagon before it goes up in flames. If you aren't much into electrical there are some "plug and play" wiring harnesses probably available for your car from major vendors. The problem is they aren't cheap( in MY opinion). If you can handle some electrical work yourself there are some lesser known companies making generic wiring harnesses that are still color coded and each wire is labeled. And have every option you can think of available for them such as circuits for power seats, power windows etc. Do your home work and decide what's best for you and your budget. Just my 2 cents. Steve -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Larry BrownSent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 5:08 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Chevelle-List] Electrical problem... I am having a problem with my 65 chevelle wagon.. I don't have any rear lights for dash lights.. when I install the fuse it snaps immediately. Also I am getting static shocks from my car(not sure if this is real or just imagined ;)) Any ideas on how to diagnose where the real problem is... I am look at the wires behind the dash, just looks like spaghetti... Thanks in advance.. Larry
Re: [Chevelle-List] Electrical problem...
On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:08:03 -0600, Larry Brown { insert non-offensive, text only, correctly spelled header to your liking here :) }said >I am having a problem with my 65 chevelle wagon.. I don't have any >rear lights for dash lights.. when I install the fuse it snaps >immediately. Also I am getting static shocks from my car(not sure if >this is real or just imagined ;)) Any ideas on how to diagnose >where the real problem is... I am look at the wires behind the >dash, just looks like spaghetti... > >Thanks in advance.. > >Larry > Larry, I had this problem on my 66, the harness wiring in the trunk was next to a metal and rubbed through in a small spot. The problem was intermittent, as the bare spot would contact the metal when hitting bumps etc...took me quite some time to figure it out. You may want to try using a multimeter or test light to check the wires in the trunk for shorts one by one. jerry - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Larry my advise would be to get a GM wireing diagram. The sys on your 65 is straight forward . You say you have no dash lamps or tail lamps. could be a number of things from shorted wires to bad headlamp light switch. This is where I would start looking frist. I would also disconnect the rear tail lamp harness ribbon at it's connector. Thus eliminating the rear lamp ect as a fault . if the problem persists when it's unpluged Yuo now look at the front lamp harness the light switch and any visible shorted black/orange( if memory serves me right) lamp harness wires. With a diagram a 12v tester lamp you should be able to find your problem . To Blow fuses ,it has to be shorted to ground somewhere. blow fuse = excessive current. Wayne - Original Message - From: Larry Brown To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 5:08 PM Subject: [Chevelle-List] Electrical problem... I am having a problem with my 65 chevelle wagon.. I don't have any rear lights for dash lights.. when I install the fuse it snaps immediately. Also I am getting static shocks from my car(not sure if this is real or just imagined ;)) Any ideas on how to diagnose where the real problem is... I am look at the wires behind the dash, just looks like spaghetti... Thanks in advance.. Larry
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Larry, By no means is wiring my specialty; however, your problems seem to be isolated to one circuit (the dash lights and taillights are on the same circuit in a lot of older..and newer...cars). The circuit you are talking about probably lies on your floorboard underneath the carpet on the driver's side of the interior (at least that's where it is in my 2-door). The insulation in these wires are very thin and may have rubbed through on some bare metal somewhere causing a dead short. If you raise the carpet a little on the drivers side, you might be able to find the harness running to the taillights (it probably drops out of the bottom of the fuse block and runs past your high beam dimmer switch. Look to see if the harness is rubbing anywhere. This will probably be a chore for you because of your seats (the harness runs under the seat frames). Additionally, the original harness should be encased in relatively thick plastic strip through this area. The plastic strip is flat and is not color coded- usually black or brown. There are harness connectors on both ends of the strip. I am not sure where the wires are run near the back of your car. My guess is that the dead short is back there somewhere. If you have one of those electronic multi-meters from a parts store, you can probably test the integrity of your wiring by using the supplied instruction manual. There is a certain setting where you can touch both ends of a wire with the two clips coming out of the multi-meter and it will tell you if there is a closed or open connection. When you find the wire with the open connection, then you have found the wire containing the dead short. You can then trace the wire and locate the problem. I hope this helps a little. If I am wrong, would someone please correct me so I don't burn my car up like tomorrow's turkey??? Happy Thanksgiving - Steve -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Larry BrownSent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 3:08 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Chevelle-List] Electrical problem... I am having a problem with my 65 chevelle wagon.. I don't have any rear lights for dash lights.. when I install the fuse it snaps immediately. Also I am getting static shocks from my car(not sure if this is real or just imagined ;)) Any ideas on how to diagnose where the real problem is... I am look at the wires behind the dash, just looks like spaghetti... Thanks in advance.. Larry
Re: [Chevelle-List] Electrical problem...
Title: Message Can you point me to some of the easier to install kits... I found this one.. what do you think? http://www.centechwire.com/catalog/universal/k2040.shtml thanks Larry - Original Message - From: Chevelle 69 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 4:55 PM Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Electrical problem... Larry, Just my opinion, but: 1. It has a malfunction that is going to be tough to troubleshoot. 2. It's a mess and looks like spaghetti under the dash. 3. The wiring sounds like the original which had barely adequate insulation on the wiring for then and is way behind the quality available today. If you want to add accessories and higher amperage alternator that just ads to the wiring not being up to the job. I say 3 strikes and it's out! Time to re-wire the wagon before it goes up in flames. If you aren't much into electrical there are some "plug and play" wiring harnesses probably available for your car from major vendors. The problem is they aren't cheap( in MY opinion). If you can handle some electrical work yourself there are some lesser known companies making generic wiring harnesses that are still color coded and each wire is labeled. And have every option you can think of available for them such as circuits for power seats, power windows etc. Do your home work and decide what's best for you and your budget. Just my 2 cents. Steve -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Larry BrownSent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 5:08 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Chevelle-List] Electrical problem... I am having a problem with my 65 chevelle wagon.. I don't have any rear lights for dash lights.. when I install the fuse it snaps immediately. Also I am getting static shocks from my car(not sure if this is real or just imagined ;)) Any ideas on how to diagnose where the real problem is... I am look at the wires behind the dash, just looks like spaghetti... Thanks in advance.. Larry
RE: [Chevelle-List] Electrical problem...
Title: Message Larry, Just my opinion, but: 1. It has a malfunction that is going to be tough to troubleshoot. 2. It's a mess and looks like spaghetti under the dash. 3. The wiring sounds like the original which had barely adequate insulation on the wiring for then and is way behind the quality available today. If you want to add accessories and higher amperage alternator that just ads to the wiring not being up to the job. I say 3 strikes and it's out! Time to re-wire the wagon before it goes up in flames. If you aren't much into electrical there are some "plug and play" wiring harnesses probably available for your car from major vendors. The problem is they aren't cheap( in MY opinion). If you can handle some electrical work yourself there are some lesser known companies making generic wiring harnesses that are still color coded and each wire is labeled. And have every option you can think of available for them such as circuits for power seats, power windows etc. Do your home work and decide what's best for you and your budget. Just my 2 cents. Steve -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Larry BrownSent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 5:08 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Chevelle-List] Electrical problem... I am having a problem with my 65 chevelle wagon.. I don't have any rear lights for dash lights.. when I install the fuse it snaps immediately. Also I am getting static shocks from my car(not sure if this is real or just imagined ;)) Any ideas on how to diagnose where the real problem is... I am look at the wires behind the dash, just looks like spaghetti... Thanks in advance.. Larry
RE: [Chevelle-List] electrical problem
Glad it was of some help Jason. That's why I have the information out there. Dale McIntosh ACES #1709/TC #92 Gold 67 SS/67 Elky http://www.dalesplace.com http://www.team67.com http://www.midwestchevelles.com > > > Dale, > > Thanks. I looked at your picture and my wires are not the same > color but I > just fliped the two wires from the alternator to the regulator. > The picture > doesnt show which is which so I had a 50/50 chance to get it > right and when I > flipped them started the car and instantly knew it was right as I > could hear > the alternator charging. 13.5 volts at the battery. Rock steady. > I think the > previous owner must have tried to fix it because when I rebuilt > that section > I copied it exactely as it was on the car. I even copied the > length and for > some reason it is like three feet longer than I need. When I > start to detail > the engine compartment I will shorten them up to a more reasonable length. > But again thanks for the help. > > Jason > > - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] electrical problem
you can tell/ hear when an alternator is under a load (charging) Larry (z)
Re: [Chevelle-List] electrical problem
According to Jason Boivin: > When an alternator gets a load on it it will make a whistle/whining sound. > Delco alternators especially do it. If you ever jump somebody you will notice > it. When you hook the other batter you will hear your alternator load up and > start whining. Its how I know that I have a good connection to the other car > when I hear the alternator kick in and start whining. > > Jason > Also, we've all heard people cranking their cars in the morning and as soon as it starts they rev it. Ya hear the fanbelt squeal as it goes around the alt pulley. It's trying to charge the battery after all that cranking. Be carefull and put a screw driver or other steel/iron object near the alt pulley nut and you will feel the magnetism. My favorite test is to jump the stator to battery pins at the regulator (with the connector removed from the regulator) With the belt correctly tightened, and a meter across the battery, you would see the voltage climb. Be carefull not to rev it much cos' it can go way over voltage. If that worked ya could say "yup, looks like your regulator is bad..." Used to fix em' when I worked at the gas station. -ChuckK -- --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] `65 Chevelle Malibu 327 4 spd --- - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] electrical problem
When an alternator gets a load on it it will make a whistle/whining sound. Delco alternators especially do it. If you ever jump somebody you will notice it. When you hook the other batter you will hear your alternator load up and start whining. Its how I know that I have a good connection to the other car when I hear the alternator kick in and start whining. Jason - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] electrical problem
" instantly knew it was right as I could hear the alternator charging. 13.5 volts at the battery. Rock steady." Not trying to be funny here, but how did you hear it charging? Keith Cooper - Original Message - From: "Jason Boivin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] electrical problem > Dale, > > Thanks. I looked at your picture and my wires are not the same color but I > just fliped the two wires from the alternator to the regulator. The picture > doesnt show which is which so I had a 50/50 chance to get it right and when I > flipped them started the car and instantly knew it was right as I could hear > the alternator charging. 13.5 volts at the battery. Rock steady. I think the > previous owner must have tried to fix it because when I rebuilt that section > I copied it exactely as it was on the car. I even copied the length and for > some reason it is like three feet longer than I need. When I start to detail > the engine compartment I will shorten them up to a more reasonable length. > But again thanks for the help. > > Jason > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] electrical problem
Dale, Thanks. I looked at your picture and my wires are not the same color but I just fliped the two wires from the alternator to the regulator. The picture doesnt show which is which so I had a 50/50 chance to get it right and when I flipped them started the car and instantly knew it was right as I could hear the alternator charging. 13.5 volts at the battery. Rock steady. I think the previous owner must have tried to fix it because when I rebuilt that section I copied it exactely as it was on the car. I even copied the length and for some reason it is like three feet longer than I need. When I start to detail the engine compartment I will shorten them up to a more reasonable length. But again thanks for the help. Jason - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] electrical problem
Jason, I have a wiring diagram for a 67 if that'll help. Shows where the wires go along with the colors. http://www.team67.com/information/engine_lighting.jpg Dale McIntosh ACES #1709/TC #92 Gold 67 SS/67 Elky http://www.dalesplace.com http://www.team67.com http://www.midwestchevelles.com > Subject: [Chevelle-List] electrical problem > > > Hey all, > > I have a problem with the alternator not charging. > When I bought my 65 the three wires going from the alternator to the > regulator were completely melted together. > So I took the alternator and had it tested it puts out 14.5 volts. > The regulator looked like it was original. So I bought an new one > and rebuilt > the three wires with brand new wire and connectors. > I thought I put them back on the regulator in the right order. > Could someone look at theirs and tell me the order of the wires > from top to > bottom? > > Jason > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]