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Thank you all, for all your help. I found it. I was checking to make sure my turn signal dash bulbs were seated and I noticed the screw between the bulbs, going through the p.c. panel was not screwed all the way in. I tightened it, turned on my lights and the turn signal lights did not light up. Problem solved. Again, Thank you all. Bob - Original Message - From: rml...@comcast.net To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 12:28:47 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Well I got my dash back together with new temp and fuel guages and everything is working, and it looks great. Now when I turn on my lights, my turn signal lights in the dash light up. When I turn on my turnsignals they blink, they are working, However I'am pretty sure the the dash bulbs should not light up whith the rest of the dash lights. Any body have an idea on what might be the cause. Thanks, Bob - Original Message - From: rml...@comcast.net To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 8, 2010 3:49:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I have voltage at my guages, and I have voltage on the lines to my sending units ie. temp. and fuel. I disconnected the plug in the trunk and checked for voltage which tested ok. However when I unplugged it my guage didn't respond by going to full. Iam thinking maby I need new guages. I did the same with the temp. I checked for voltage by disconnecting the line at the temp. sending unit and got a voltage reading. However, the guage didn't respond to being disconnected or grounded. Do yall think maby I need new guages.Thanks to you all for all your help. - Original Message - From: 327mal...@gmail.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 10:37:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I don't know if this will help you but give it a look. The Chevelle Engineer http://chevelleengineer.home.comcast.net/~chevelleengineer/fuelgage.htm - Original Message - From: rml...@comcast.net To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Jim I appriciate your help. It seems to me Iam being told 2 different things here. Leo say's there should be no power at pins 10 and 11 and it sounds to me like your telling me there should be power at those pins. I dont understand the principles of operation here. I dont understand how they work.I hope someone here can explain to me exactly how it works. Does 12 volts go through the guage and the sending units add resistance to ground. Thanks every body for your help here. I just wanna get my guages working. - Original Message - From: Jim Thompson jimthompso...@gmail.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2010 7:10:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I will suggest again that ground is critical. Your fuel sending unit should have its own ground wire. The temp sending unit is hot, internally the switch closes to ground. With the key to “on” both should be hot. Your fuse box should have one fuse marked “gauges” if it is hot on both sides. Then it is a ground issue or short in the gauge harness. From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of rml...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 4:25 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Does anyone know where the voltage for the fuel and temp. guages is fed from. I have voltage to everything except these two guages. I unplugged the 12 pin connector that plugs into the pcb and checked for voltage there. everything is hot with the exception of temp and fuel. all my fuses are good. Any ideas.Thanks, Bob - Original Message - From: dhoesc...@granitecityperformance.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 10:03:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I would suggest disconnecting the tan fuel sender feed wire at the fuel tank. Turn the key to RUN position and wait a few moments (some gauges are slow) with the tan wire disconnected the fuel gauge should read past full. Then ground the tan wire anywhere to the body and the gauge should read empty. If you get no response then you have a bad gauge or a wiring problem. -Original Message- From: Tom Rightler bluess...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 20:47 To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List
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Well I got my dash back together with new temp and fuel guages and everything is working, and it looks great. Now when I turn on my lights, my turn signal lights in the dash light up. When I turn on my turnsignals they blink, they are working, However I'am pretty sure the the dash bulbs should not light up whith the rest of the dash lights. Any body have an idea on what might be the cause. Thanks, Bob - Original Message - From: rml...@comcast.net To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 8, 2010 3:49:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I have voltage at my guages, and I have voltage on the lines to my sending units ie. temp. and fuel. I disconnected the plug in the trunk and checked for voltage which tested ok. However when I unplugged it my guage didn't respond by going to full. Iam thinking maby I need new guages. I did the same with the temp. I checked for voltage by disconnecting the line at the temp. sending unit and got a voltage reading. However, the guage didn't respond to being disconnected or grounded. Do yall think maby I need new guages.Thanks to you all for all your help. - Original Message - From: 327mal...@gmail.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 10:37:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I don't know if this will help you but give it a look. The Chevelle Engineer http://chevelleengineer.home.comcast.net/~chevelleengineer/fuelgage.htm - Original Message - From: rml...@comcast.net To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Jim I appriciate your help. It seems to me Iam being told 2 different things here. Leo say's there should be no power at pins 10 and 11 and it sounds to me like your telling me there should be power at those pins. I dont understand the principles of operation here. I dont understand how they work.I hope someone here can explain to me exactly how it works. Does 12 volts go through the guage and the sending units add resistance to ground. Thanks every body for your help here. I just wanna get my guages working. - Original Message - From: Jim Thompson jimthompso...@gmail.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2010 7:10:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I will suggest again that ground is critical. Your fuel sending unit should have its own ground wire. The temp sending unit is hot, internally the switch closes to ground. With the key to “on” both should be hot. Your fuse box should have one fuse marked “gauges” if it is hot on both sides. Then it is a ground issue or short in the gauge harness. From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of rml...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 4:25 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Does anyone know where the voltage for the fuel and temp. guages is fed from. I have voltage to everything except these two guages. I unplugged the 12 pin connector that plugs into the pcb and checked for voltage there. everything is hot with the exception of temp and fuel. all my fuses are good. Any ideas.Thanks, Bob - Original Message - From: dhoesc...@granitecityperformance.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 10:03:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I would suggest disconnecting the tan fuel sender feed wire at the fuel tank. Turn the key to RUN position and wait a few moments (some gauges are slow) with the tan wire disconnected the fuel gauge should read past full. Then ground the tan wire anywhere to the body and the gauge should read empty. If you get no response then you have a bad gauge or a wiring problem. -Original Message- From: Tom Rightler bluess...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 20:47 To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question If you want to check the gauges, send 12 volts directly to them and see if the needle moves. If the needle moves, the gauges is good and there are wiring issues elsewhere. I’ve seen brand new sending units fail. There should be 12 volts at the bulkhead connector with the key in the run position for all wiring to the gauges. Tom -Original Message- From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of rml...@comcast.net Sent: Monday
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Bad ground someplace? Possibly at the dash or even out at one of the lights?? On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 11:28 AM, rml...@comcast.net wrote: Well I got my dash back together with new temp and fuel guages and everything is working, and it looks great. Now when I turn on my lights, my turn signal lights in the dash light up. When I turn on my turnsignals they blink, they are working, However I'am pretty sure the the dash bulbs should not light up whith the rest of the dash lights. Any body have an idea on what might be the cause. Thanks, Bob - Original Message - From: rml...@comcast.net To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 8, 2010 3:49:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I have voltage at my guages, and I have voltage on the lines to my sending units ie. temp. and fuel. I disconnected the plug in the trunk and checked for voltage which tested ok. However when I unplugged it my guage didn't respond by going to full. Iam thinking maby I need new guages. I did the same with the temp. I checked for voltage by disconnecting the line at the temp. sending unit and got a voltage reading. However, the guage didn't respond to being disconnected or grounded. Do yall think maby I need new guages.Thanks to you all for all your help. - Original Message - From: 327mal...@gmail.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 10:37:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I don't know if this will help you but give it a look. *The Chevelle Engineer* http://chevelleengineer.home.comcast.net/~chevelleengineer/fuelgage.htm - Original Message - *From:* rml...@comcast.net *To:* The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net *Sent:* Tuesday, February 02, 2010 7:53 PM *Subject:* Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Jim I appriciate your help. It seems to me Iam being told 2 different things here. Leo say's there should be no power at pins 10 and 11 and it sounds to me like your telling me there should be power at those pins. I dont understand the principles of operation here. I dont understand how they work.I hope someone here can explain to me exactly how it works. Does 12 volts go through the guage and the sending units add resistance to ground. Thanks every body for your help here. I just wanna get my guages working. - Original Message - From: Jim Thompson jimthompso...@gmail.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2010 7:10:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I will suggest again that ground is critical. Your fuel sending unit should have its own ground wire. The temp sending unit is hot, internally the switch closes to ground. With the key to “on” both should be hot. Your fuse box should have one fuse marked “gauges” if it is hot on both sides. Then it is a ground issue or short in the gauge harness. *From:* chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] *On Behalf Of *rml...@comcast.net *Sent:* Tuesday, February 02, 2010 4:25 PM *To:* The Chevelle Mailing List *Subject:* Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Does anyone know where the voltage for the fuel and temp. guages is fed from. I have voltage to everything except these two guages. I unplugged the 12 pin connector that plugs into the pcb and checked for voltage there. everything is hot with the exception of temp and fuel. all my fuses are good. Any ideas.Thanks, Bob - Original Message - From: dhoesc...@granitecityperformance.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 10:03:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I would suggest disconnecting the tan fuel sender feed wire at the fuel tank. Turn the key to RUN position and wait a few moments (some gauges are slow) with the tan wire disconnected the fuel gauge should read past full. Then ground the tan wire anywhere to the body and the gauge should read empty. If you get no response then you have a bad gauge or a wiring problem. -Original Message- From: Tom Rightler bluess...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 20:47 To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question If you want to check the gauges, send 12 volts directly to them and see if the needle moves. If the needle moves, the gauges is good and there are wiring issues elsewhere. I’ve seen brand new sending units fail. There should be 12 volts at the bulkhead connector with the key in the run position for all wiring to the gauges. Tom -Original Message- *From:* chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net
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Had the same problem. Made a special earth lug fitting to the body metal. Connected up, problem solved. Johann - Original Message - From: Rick Schaefer To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Bad ground someplace? Possibly at the dash or even out at one of the lights?? On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 11:28 AM, rml...@comcast.net wrote: Well I got my dash back together with new temp and fuel guages and everything is working, and it looks great. Now when I turn on my lights, my turn signal lights in the dash light up. When I turn on my turnsignals they blink, they are working, However I'am pretty sure the the dash bulbs should not light up whith the rest of the dash lights. Any body have an idea on what might be the cause. Thanks, Bob - Original Message - From: rml...@comcast.net To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 8, 2010 3:49:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I have voltage at my guages, and I have voltage on the lines to my sending units ie. temp. and fuel. I disconnected the plug in the trunk and checked for voltage which tested ok. However when I unplugged it my guage didn't respond by going to full. Iam thinking maby I need new guages. I did the same with the temp. I checked for voltage by disconnecting the line at the temp. sending unit and got a voltage reading. However, the guage didn't respond to being disconnected or grounded. Do yall think maby I need new guages.Thanks to you all for all your help. - Original Message - From: 327mal...@gmail.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 10:37:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I don't know if this will help you but give it a look. The Chevelle Engineer http://chevelleengineer.home.comcast.net/~chevelleengineer/fuelgage.htm - Original Message - From: rml...@comcast.net To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Jim I appriciate your help. It seems to me Iam being told 2 different things here. Leo say's there should be no power at pins 10 and 11 and it sounds to me like your telling me there should be power at those pins. I dont understand the principles of operation here. I dont understand how they work.I hope someone here can explain to me exactly how it works. Does 12 volts go through the guage and the sending units add resistance to ground. Thanks every body for your help here. I just wanna get my guages working. - Original Message - From: Jim Thompson jimthompso...@gmail.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2010 7:10:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I will suggest again that ground is critical. Your fuel sending unit should have its own ground wire. The temp sending unit is hot, internally the switch closes to ground. With the key to “on” both should be hot. Your fuse box should have one fuse marked “gauges” if it is hot on both sides. Then it is a ground issue or short in the gauge harness. From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of rml...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 4:25 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Does anyone know where the voltage for the fuel and temp. guages is fed from. I have voltage to everything except these two guages. I unplugged the 12 pin connector that plugs into the pcb and checked for voltage there. everything is hot with the exception of temp and fuel. all my fuses are good. Any ideas.Thanks, Bob - Original Message - From: dhoesc...@granitecityperformance.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 10:03:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I would suggest disconnecting the tan fuel sender feed wire at the fuel tank. Turn the key to RUN position and wait a few moments (some gauges are slow) with the tan wire disconnected the fuel gauge should read past full. Then ground the tan wire anywhere to the body and the gauge should read empty. If you get no response then you have a bad gauge or a wiring problem. -Original Message- From: Tom Rightler bluess...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 20:47
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I can not seem to figure out how to unplug the fisher body connector that is in front of the fuse box. Iam not seeing the lock tab. I want to see if I can get any movement out of my fuel guage. I've tried everythig. I have voltage to the guage, I have voltage to the tan wire in the trunk. I've dissconnected and grounded the tan wire. I even ran a ground wire directly from the battery to the back of the fuel guage. besides buying new guages, does anyone have any other ideas. Thanks. - Original Message - From: rml...@comcast.net To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 8, 2010 8:09:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Leo as you suggested I ran a ground wire directly from the battery to the cluster. I disconnected the sending unit wire from the guage in the trunk and grounded it. I then made sure I had voltage at the guage with the key in the run position. I checked continuity from the cluster to the fire wall. And I still didn't get any movement from the guage. I'm not so sure Iam ready to cut my harness open yet. Are you sure I should do that. Everything in the dash has power when it's supposed to. Thank you once again. Bob - Original Message - From: Leo John Costigan nagit...@comcast.net To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 8, 2010 4:44:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question At this point before I would buy new gages I would split the dash harness between the cluster plug and fuse box and check for melted or shorted wires. Also I would recheck all grounds to cluster and maybe run a direct ground from the battery to the cluster, straight wire. With the sending unit plugs disconnected and then shorted to ground you should have some type of movement in the gage. If there were a short or open in the harness nothing would change by removing the plugs from the senders. Leo - Original Message - From: rml...@comcast.net To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I have voltage at my guages, and I have voltage on the lines to my sending units ie. temp. and fuel. I disconnected the plug in the trunk and checked for voltage which tested ok. However when I unplugged it my guage didn't respond by going to full. Iam thinking maby I need new guages. I did the same with the temp. I checked for voltage by disconnecting the line at the temp. sending unit and got a voltage reading. However, the guage didn't respond to being disconnected or grounded. Do yall think maby I need new guages.Thanks to you all for all your help. - Original Message - From: 327mal...@gmail.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 10:37:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I don't know if this will help you but give it a look. The Chevelle Engineer http://chevelleengineer.home.comcast.net/~chevelleengineer/fuelgage.htm - Original Message - From: rml...@comcast.net To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Jim I appriciate your help. It seems to me Iam being told 2 different things here. Leo say's there should be no power at pins 10 and 11 and it sounds to me like your telling me there should be power at those pins. I dont understand the principles of operation here. I dont understand how they work.I hope someone here can explain to me exactly how it works. Does 12 volts go through the guage and the sending units add resistance to ground. Thanks every body for your help here. I just wanna get my guages working. - Original Message - From: Jim Thompson jimthompso...@gmail.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2010 7:10:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I will suggest again that ground is critical. Your fuel sending unit should have its own ground wire. The temp sending unit is hot, internally the switch closes to ground. With the key to “on” both should be hot. Your fuse box should have one fuse marked “gauges” if it is hot on both sides. Then it is a ground issue or short in the gauge harness. From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of rml...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 4:25 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Does anyone know where the voltage for the fuel and temp. guages is fed from. I have voltage to everything except
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Thanks Chum, I think I going to buy some new guages. The fuel guage will not move off empty, regardless of what I do. And the temp. guage wont respond either. Thanks again. Bob - Original Message - From: Chum Nault c...@jimolsonmotors.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 1:02:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question If you have voltage on the tan wire and you ground the tan wire and the gauge doesn’t go to empty you have a bad gauge. The fuel gauge is nothing more than an ohm meter and the sending unit is a 90 ohm variable resistor. If you want to make sure, ground the sending unit side of the gauge right at the dash that will eliminate the wiring to the sending unit and the gauge should go to empty. I doubt if it has a wiring problem because you have voltage at the tan wire. You can also substitute an ohm meter for the fuel gauge to test the sending unit and wiring 0 ohms will be empty 90 ohms will be full. I hope this helps, I have seen some good technicians confused by fuel gauge problems so you are not alone. Chum Nault From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of rml...@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 11:31 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I can not seem to figure out how to unplug the fisher body connector that is in front of the fuse box. Iam not seeing the lock tab. I want to see if I can get any movement out of my fuel guage. I've tried everythig. I have voltage to the guage, I have voltage to the tan wire in the trunk. I've dissconnected and grounded the tan wire. I even ran a ground wire directly from the battery to the back of the fuel guage. besides buying new guages, does anyone have any other ideas. Thanks. - Original Message - From: rml...@comcast.net To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 8, 2010 8:09:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Leo as you suggested I ran a ground wire directly from the battery to the cluster. I disconnected the sending unit wire from the guage in the trunk and grounded it. I then made sure I had voltage at the guage with the key in the run position. I checked continuity from the cluster to the fire wall. And I still didn't get any movement from the guage. I'm not so sure Iam ready to cut my harness open yet. Are you sure I should do that. Everything in the dash has power when it's supposed to. Thank you once again. Bob - Original Message - From: Leo John Costigan nagit...@comcast.net To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 8, 2010 4:44:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question At this point before I would buy new gages I would split the dash harness between the cluster plug and fuse box and check for melted or shorted wires. Also I would recheck all grounds to cluster and maybe run a direct ground from the battery to the cluster, straight wire. With the sending unit plugs disconnected and then shorted to ground you should have some type of movement in the gage. If there were a short or open in the harness nothing would change by removing the plugs from the senders. Leo - Original Message - From: rml...@comcast.net To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I have voltage at my guages, and I have voltage on the lines to my sending units ie. temp. and fuel. I disconnected the plug in the trunk and checked for voltage which tested ok. However when I unplugged it my guage didn't respond by going to full. Iam thinking maby I need new guages. I did the same with the temp. I checked for voltage by disconnecting the line at the temp. sending unit and got a voltage reading. However, the guage didn't respond to being disconnected or grounded. Do yall think maby I need new guages.Thanks to you all for all your help. - Original Message - From: 327mal...@gmail.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 10:37:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I don't know if this will help you but give it a look. The Chevelle Engineer http://chevelleengineer.home.comcast.net/~chevelleengineer/fuelgage.htm - Original Message - From: rml...@comcast.net To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Jim I appriciate your help. It seems to me
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I have voltage at my guages, and I have voltage on the lines to my sending units ie. temp. and fuel. I disconnected the plug in the trunk and checked for voltage which tested ok. However when I unplugged it my guage didn't respond by going to full. Iam thinking maby I need new guages. I did the same with the temp. I checked for voltage by disconnecting the line at the temp. sending unit and got a voltage reading. However, the guage didn't respond to being disconnected or grounded. Do yall think maby I need new guages.Thanks to you all for all your help. - Original Message - From: 327mal...@gmail.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 10:37:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I don't know if this will help you but give it a look. The Chevelle Engineer http://chevelleengineer.home.comcast.net/~chevelleengineer/fuelgage.htm - Original Message - From: rml...@comcast.net To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Jim I appriciate your help. It seems to me Iam being told 2 different things here. Leo say's there should be no power at pins 10 and 11 and it sounds to me like your telling me there should be power at those pins. I dont understand the principles of operation here. I dont understand how they work.I hope someone here can explain to me exactly how it works. Does 12 volts go through the guage and the sending units add resistance to ground. Thanks every body for your help here. I just wanna get my guages working. - Original Message - From: Jim Thompson jimthompso...@gmail.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2010 7:10:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I will suggest again that ground is critical. Your fuel sending unit should have its own ground wire. The temp sending unit is hot, internally the switch closes to ground. With the key to “on” both should be hot. Your fuse box should have one fuse marked “gauges” if it is hot on both sides. Then it is a ground issue or short in the gauge harness. From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of rml...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 4:25 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Does anyone know where the voltage for the fuel and temp. guages is fed from. I have voltage to everything except these two guages. I unplugged the 12 pin connector that plugs into the pcb and checked for voltage there. everything is hot with the exception of temp and fuel. all my fuses are good. Any ideas.Thanks, Bob - Original Message - From: dhoesc...@granitecityperformance.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 10:03:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I would suggest disconnecting the tan fuel sender feed wire at the fuel tank. Turn the key to RUN position and wait a few moments (some gauges are slow) with the tan wire disconnected the fuel gauge should read past full. Then ground the tan wire anywhere to the body and the gauge should read empty. If you get no response then you have a bad gauge or a wiring problem. -Original Message- From: Tom Rightler bluess...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 20:47 To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question If you want to check the gauges, send 12 volts directly to them and see if the needle moves. If the needle moves, the gauges is good and there are wiring issues elsewhere. I’ve seen brand new sending units fail. There should be 12 volts at the bulkhead connector with the key in the run position for all wiring to the gauges. Tom -Original Message- From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of rml...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 9:01 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question The sending. unit is grounded to the body, and the temp sending unit is new. Tom,do you know if there would or should be voltage at the 12 point connection into the pcb. for the temp and fuel guages - Original Message - From: Tom Rightler bluess...@comcast.net To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 8:53:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Is the fuel sending unit grounded to the body? If the temp gauge isn’t working, it’s
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At this point before I would buy new gages I would split the dash harness between the cluster plug and fuse box and check for melted or shorted wires. Also I would recheck all grounds to cluster and maybe run a direct ground from the battery to the cluster, straight wire. With the sending unit plugs disconnected and then shorted to ground you should have some type of movement in the gage. If there were a short or open in the harness nothing would change by removing the plugs from the senders. Leo - Original Message - From: rml...@comcast.net To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I have voltage at my guages, and I have voltage on the lines to my sending units ie. temp. and fuel. I disconnected the plug in the trunk and checked for voltage which tested ok. However when I unplugged it my guage didn't respond by going to full. Iam thinking maby I need new guages. I did the same with the temp. I checked for voltage by disconnecting the line at the temp. sending unit and got a voltage reading. However, the guage didn't respond to being disconnected or grounded. Do yall think maby I need new guages.Thanks to you all for all your help. - Original Message - From: 327mal...@gmail.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 10:37:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I don't know if this will help you but give it a look. The Chevelle Engineer http://chevelleengineer.home.comcast.net/~chevelleengineer/fuelgage.htm - Original Message - From: rml...@comcast.net To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Jim I appriciate your help. It seems to me Iam being told 2 different things here. Leo say's there should be no power at pins 10 and 11 and it sounds to me like your telling me there should be power at those pins. I dont understand the principles of operation here. I dont understand how they work.I hope someone here can explain to me exactly how it works. Does 12 volts go through the guage and the sending units add resistance to ground. Thanks every body for your help here. I just wanna get my guages working. - Original Message - From: Jim Thompson jimthompso...@gmail.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2010 7:10:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I will suggest again that ground is critical. Your fuel sending unit should have its own ground wire. The temp sending unit is hot, internally the switch closes to ground. With the key to “on” both should be hot. Your fuse box should have one fuse marked “gauges” if it is hot on both sides. Then it is a ground issue or short in the gauge harness. From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of rml...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 4:25 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Does anyone know where the voltage for the fuel and temp. guages is fed from. I have voltage to everything except these two guages. I unplugged the 12 pin connector that plugs into the pcb and checked for voltage there. everything is hot with the exception of temp and fuel. all my fuses are good. Any ideas.Thanks, Bob - Original Message - From: dhoesc...@granitecityperformance.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 10:03:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I would suggest disconnecting the tan fuel sender feed wire at the fuel tank. Turn the key to RUN position and wait a few moments (some gauges are slow) with the tan wire disconnected the fuel gauge should read past full. Then ground the tan wire anywhere to the body and the gauge should read empty. If you get no response then you have a bad gauge or a wiring problem. -Original Message- From: Tom Rightler bluess...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 20:47 To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question If you want to check the gauges, send 12 volts directly to them and see if the needle moves. If the needle moves, the gauges is good and there are wiring issues elsewhere. I’ve seen brand new sending units fail. There should be 12 volts at the bulkhead connector with the key in the run position for all wiring to the gauges. Tom
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Leo as you suggested I ran a ground wire directly from the battery to the cluster. I disconnected the sending unit wire from the guage in the trunk and grounded it. I then made sure I had voltage at the guage with the key in the run position. I checked continuity from the cluster to the fire wall. And I still didn't get any movement from the guage. I'm not so sure Iam ready to cut my harness open yet. Are you sure I should do that. Everything in the dash has power when it's supposed to. Thank you once again. Bob - Original Message - From: Leo John Costigan nagit...@comcast.net To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 8, 2010 4:44:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question At this point before I would buy new gages I would split the dash harness between the cluster plug and fuse box and check for melted or shorted wires. Also I would recheck all grounds to cluster and maybe run a direct ground from the battery to the cluster, straight wire. With the sending unit plugs disconnected and then shorted to ground you should have some type of movement in the gage. If there were a short or open in the harness nothing would change by removing the plugs from the senders. Leo - Original Message - From: rml...@comcast.net To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I have voltage at my guages, and I have voltage on the lines to my sending units ie. temp. and fuel. I disconnected the plug in the trunk and checked for voltage which tested ok. However when I unplugged it my guage didn't respond by going to full. Iam thinking maby I need new guages. I did the same with the temp. I checked for voltage by disconnecting the line at the temp. sending unit and got a voltage reading. However, the guage didn't respond to being disconnected or grounded. Do yall think maby I need new guages.Thanks to you all for all your help. - Original Message - From: 327mal...@gmail.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 10:37:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I don't know if this will help you but give it a look. The Chevelle Engineer http://chevelleengineer.home.comcast.net/~chevelleengineer/fuelgage.htm - Original Message - From: rml...@comcast.net To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Jim I appriciate your help. It seems to me Iam being told 2 different things here. Leo say's there should be no power at pins 10 and 11 and it sounds to me like your telling me there should be power at those pins. I dont understand the principles of operation here. I dont understand how they work.I hope someone here can explain to me exactly how it works. Does 12 volts go through the guage and the sending units add resistance to ground. Thanks every body for your help here. I just wanna get my guages working. - Original Message - From: Jim Thompson jimthompso...@gmail.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2010 7:10:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I will suggest again that ground is critical. Your fuel sending unit should have its own ground wire. The temp sending unit is hot, internally the switch closes to ground. With the key to “on” both should be hot. Your fuse box should have one fuse marked “gauges” if it is hot on both sides. Then it is a ground issue or short in the gauge harness. From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of rml...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 4:25 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Does anyone know where the voltage for the fuel and temp. guages is fed from. I have voltage to everything except these two guages. I unplugged the 12 pin connector that plugs into the pcb and checked for voltage there. everything is hot with the exception of temp and fuel. all my fuses are good. Any ideas.Thanks, Bob - Original Message - From: dhoesc...@granitecityperformance.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 10:03:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I would suggest disconnecting the tan fuel sender feed wire at the fuel tank. Turn the key to RUN position and wait a few moments (some gauges are slow) with the tan wire disconnected the fuel gauge should read past full. Then ground the tan wire anywhere
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I don't know if this will help you but give it a look. The Chevelle Engineer http://chevelleengineer.home.comcast.net/~chevelleengineer/fuelgage.htm - Original Message - From: rml...@comcast.net To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Jim I appriciate your help. It seems to me Iam being told 2 different things here. Leo say's there should be no power at pins 10 and 11 and it sounds to me like your telling me there should be power at those pins. I dont understand the principles of operation here. I dont understand how they work.I hope someone here can explain to me exactly how it works. Does 12 volts go through the guage and the sending units add resistance to ground. Thanks every body for your help here. I just wanna get my guages working. - Original Message - From: Jim Thompson jimthompso...@gmail.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2010 7:10:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I will suggest again that ground is critical. Your fuel sending unit should have its own ground wire. The temp sending unit is hot, internally the switch closes to ground. With the key to “on” both should be hot. Your fuse box should have one fuse marked “gauges” if it is hot on both sides. Then it is a ground issue or short in the gauge harness. From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of rml...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 4:25 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Does anyone know where the voltage for the fuel and temp. guages is fed from. I have voltage to everything except these two guages. I unplugged the 12 pin connector that plugs into the pcb and checked for voltage there. everything is hot with the exception of temp and fuel. all my fuses are good. Any ideas.Thanks, Bob - Original Message - From: dhoesc...@granitecityperformance.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 10:03:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I would suggest disconnecting the tan fuel sender feed wire at the fuel tank. Turn the key to RUN position and wait a few moments (some gauges are slow) with the tan wire disconnected the fuel gauge should read past full. Then ground the tan wire anywhere to the body and the gauge should read empty. If you get no response then you have a bad gauge or a wiring problem. -Original Message- From: Tom Rightler bluess...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 20:47 To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question If you want to check the gauges, send 12 volts directly to them and see if the needle moves. If the needle moves, the gauges is good and there are wiring issues elsewhere. I’ve seen brand new sending units fail. There should be 12 volts at the bulkhead connector with the key in the run position for all wiring to the gauges. Tom -Original Message- From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of rml...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 9:01 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question The sending. unit is grounded to the body, and the temp sending unit is new. Tom,do you know if there would or should be voltage at the 12 point connection into the pcb. for the temp and fuel guages - Original Message - From: Tom Rightler bluess...@comcast.net To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 8:53:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Is the fuel sending unit grounded to the body? If the temp gauge isn’t working, it’s usually a problem with the sending unit screwed into the head. Tom Rightler MCC Newsletter Editor http://www.chevelles.net/mcc -Original Message- From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of rml...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:32 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I'am a firm beliver that there is no such thing as a dumb question. My dash lights are working fine. the dimmer switch is working I just dont have a temp. guage or a fuel guage. - Original Message - From: dhoesc...@granitecityperformance.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 8:25:13 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Forgive me if it's a dumb question...did you try rotating
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Leo, Thanks for all your help. I just checked for voltage at the back of the guages, with everything plugged in, and the key in the run position . I have voltage on both the temp and fuel guage. So knowing there is power to the guages, does this narrow my search down to a ground..- Original Message - From: Leo John Costigan nagit...@comcast.net To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2010 9:51:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Bob, Jim is right. With the cluster plug connected to the cluster and Ign switch in run, you should have 12v when you disconnect the plug at either the temp sender or fuel sender. If you don’t, then there is an open somewhere between the gauge fuse and the sender plugs. You can use a test light and disconnect the sender plugs and connect the test light to these connectors. The light should light but it will be dim. As for grounding; You should ground the engine to the frame and to the body. You should ground the body to the frame. The cluster should be grounded to the dash frame. The headlight should be grounded to the cluster by a shorting strap. The fuel tank should be grounded to the frame. All of these grounds need to be in place to eliminate any grounding loops. Bad grounds will give bad readings and can cause you to go around in circles. You did indicate that your gauges never did work. My 70 El Camino had a problem that was caused by the amp meter wires had melted in the dash harness. There was no indication of a problem except that the amp didn’t move. The outside of the harness looked good. I found the problem when install a TPI engine and rewired the harness for the computer and upgrade for glass fuse to ATO. Several of the wires were melted together. These old original harness are in bad shape. Do check the grounds. Leo - Original Message - From: rml...@comcast.net To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Jim I appriciate your help. It seems to me Iam being told 2 different things here. Leo say's there should be no power at pins 10 and 11 and it sounds to me like your telling me there should be power at those pins. I dont understand the principles of operation here. I dont understand how they work.I hope someone here can explain to me exactly how it works. Does 12 volts go through the guage and the sending units add resistance to ground. Thanks every body for your help here. I just wanna get my guages working. - Original Message - From: Jim Thompson jimthompso...@gmail.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2010 7:10:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I will suggest again that ground is critical. Your fuel sending unit should have its own ground wire. The temp sending unit is hot, internally the switch closes to ground. With the key to “on” both should be hot. Your fuse box should have one fuse marked “gauges” if it is hot on both sides. Then it is a ground issue or short in the gauge harness. From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of rml...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 4:25 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Does anyone know where the voltage for the fuel and temp. guages is fed from. I have voltage to everything except these two guages. I unplugged the 12 pin connector that plugs into the pcb and checked for voltage there. everything is hot with the exception of temp and fuel. all my fuses are good. Any ideas.Thanks, Bob - Original Message - From: dhoesc...@granitecityperformance.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 10:03:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I would suggest disconnecting the tan fuel sender feed wire at the fuel tank. Turn the key to RUN position and wait a few moments (some gauges are slow) with the tan wire disconnected the fuel gauge should read past full. Then ground the tan wire anywhere to the body and the gauge should read empty. If you get no response then you have a bad gauge or a wiring problem. -Original Message- From: Tom Rightler bluess...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 20:47 To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question If you want to check the gauges, send 12 volts directly to them and see if the needle moves. If the needle moves, the gauges is good and there are wiring issues elsewhere. I’ve seen brand new sending units fail. There should be 12 volts at the bulkhead connector with the key in the run position for all wiring
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Just a few questions. Can you start the engine? Are you sure the gauges are wired correctly? I understand your confusion, just went through this myself. I will start with the temp gauge. The sender is screwed into your block, head or manifold. This contact grounds the sending unit. The ground is not complete until it gets hot when a bimetal contact expands inside the sender. The wire to the sender goes to the back of the gauge. The other wire on the gauge goes to the fuse block and is hot in the “on” mode. In a stock GM harness several hot leads come together and are simply twisted and soldiered in a bunch with tape wrapped around it. If you have a test light check both sides of the fuse with the key on and off. If the light goes on and off at the fuse box using the key repeat the test at the back of the gauge. If the light fails at the back of the gauge try using a jumper wire straight from the fuse box. If this fails run a wire to the sending unit. If this fails replace sending unit. The secret is start where you know you have power test each link until you lose the power then back track. The sender has a float like the one in your toilet. As it goes up and down the resistance changes. Under the carpet is a flat harness that has a connector under the dash and under the back seat. The tan wire can be tested at both locations, these do not usually fail. So if you have power at the gas tank sending unit skip, testing those connections. The fuel gauge sender has one tan wire (hot) and one black ground. Check the tan wire with the test light. Turn the key to “on’ before you get under the car. If it is hot at the sender I would make sure the ground wire is good. The test light ground wire should be clipped on the sender where the normal ground wire is attached and the probe inserted into the connector on the tan wire this way you test your ground. If it fails move the ground of the test light to some part of the body. If it works then I would replace the end of the ground wire and clean all the rust around the screw hole in the body. One trip under the car is enough. If all this does not help I would suspect that you have wired the gauges incorrectly. From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of rml...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 7:54 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Jim I appriciate your help. It seems to me Iam being told 2 different things here. Leo say's there should be no power at pins 10 and 11 and it sounds to me like your telling me there should be power at those pins. I dont understand the principles of operation here. I dont understand how they work.I hope someone here can explain to me exactly how it works. Does 12 volts go through the guage and the sending units add resistance to ground. Thanks every body for your help here. I just wanna get my guages working. - Original Message - From: Jim Thompson jimthompso...@gmail.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2010 7:10:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I will suggest again that ground is critical. Your fuel sending unit should have its own ground wire. The temp sending unit is hot, internally the switch closes to ground. With the key to “on” both should be hot. Your fuse box should have one fuse marked “gauges” if it is hot on both sides. Then it is a ground issue or short in the gauge harness. From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of rml...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 4:25 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Does anyone know where the voltage for the fuel and temp. guages is fed from. I have voltage to everything except these two guages. I unplugged the 12 pin connector that plugs into the pcb and checked for voltage there. everything is hot with the exception of temp and fuel. all my fuses are good. Any ideas.Thanks, Bob - Original Message - From: dhoesc...@granitecityperformance.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 10:03:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I would suggest disconnecting the tan fuel sender feed wire at the fuel tank. Turn the key to RUN position and wait a few moments (some gauges are slow) with the tan wire disconnected the fuel gauge should read past full. Then ground the tan wire anywhere to the body and the gauge should read empty. If you get no response then you have a bad gauge or a wiring problem. -Original Message- From: Tom Rightler bluess...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 20:47 To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list
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What you need to do now is with ign in run, go to the senders unplug them and check for voltage at the plug. Either with a voltmeter or test light. This is checking continuity from the gauges to the sender’s plugs. If you have continuity then there is a grounding issue. If you have no voltage at the unplugged sender plugs then there is open wire to the gauges. Leo
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Does anyone know where the voltage for the fuel and temp. guages is fed from. I have voltage to everything except these two guages. I unplugged the 12 pin connector that plugs into the pcb and checked for voltage there. everything is hot with the exception of temp and fuel. all my fuses are good. Any ideas.Thanks, Bob - Original Message - From: dhoesc...@granitecityperformance.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 10:03:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I would suggest disconnecting the tan fuel sender feed wire at the fuel tank. Turn the key to RUN position and wait a few moments (some gauges are slow) with the tan wire disconnected the fuel gauge should read past full. Then ground the tan wire anywhere to the body and the gauge should read empty. If you get no response then you have a bad gauge or a wiring problem. -Original Message- From: Tom Rightler bluess...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 20:47 To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question If you want to check the gauges, send 12 volts directly to them and see if the needle moves. If the needle moves, the gauges is good and there are wiring issues elsewhere. I’ve seen brand new sending units fail. There should be 12 volts at the bulkhead connector with the key in the run position for all wiring to the gauges. Tom -Original Message- From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of rml...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 9:01 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question The sending. unit is grounded to the body, and the temp sending unit is new. Tom,do you know if there would or should be voltage at the 12 point connection into the pcb. for the temp and fuel guages - Original Message - From: Tom Rightler bluess...@comcast.net To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 8:53:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Is the fuel sending unit grounded to the body? If the temp gauge isn’t working, it’s usually a problem with the sending unit screwed into the head. Tom Rightler MCC Newsletter Editor http://www.chevelles.net/mcc -Original Message- From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of rml...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:32 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I'am a firm beliver that there is no such thing as a dumb question. My dash lights are working fine. the dimmer switch is working I just dont have a temp. guage or a fuel guage. - Original Message - From: dhoesc...@granitecityperformance.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 8:25:13 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Forgive me if it's a dumb question...did you try rotating the knob? I don't know if 1970 had the dimmer built into the headlight switch perhaps it's turned down to the lowest setting or the rheostat is burnt out? Second, did you check for power at the fuse? -Original Message- From: rml...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 19:08 To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Yes I do have a schematic. I have a 70 ss with guages. Iam just not sure why the guages are not working. - Original Message - From: dhoesc...@granitecityperformance.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 7:27:55 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Do you have a wiring schematic -or- would it help if you had one? What year Chevelle do you have? -Original Message- From: rml...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 17:02 To: dansolo...@msn.com, The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Dan, The guages are not new nor is the engine harness or the dash harness. And no the guages did not work before. I was hoping that putting a new pcb. in would get them working. All the wiring is still original to the car. I did put voltage to the gas guage when I had it on the bench and was able to get movement. I used a 9 volt battery and the guage moved to around 1/2 tank. I then reversed the polarity and the guage went back to E. So with that said I kinda assumed the guages were o k. I really appriciate your efforts, Keep pitching maby eventually I'll get a hit. Thanks Bob - Original Message - From: Dan Solomon dansolo...@msn.com To: Chevelle List
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Below is a copy of the 12 pin plugs for both gauges idiot lights. With the key in the RUN position you should have 12v at pin 7, the pink wire. Pin 10, green wire, is temp from engine, no power. Pin 11, brown wire is from gas tank sender, no power. Pin 6, Blue wire is for oil pressure light, no power. If you have power at pin 7, reconnect the plug to instrument cluster, with ign switch in the RUN position, disconnect the temp connector for the sender and ground it. The temp gauge to indicate full deflection. The same indication with the fuel wire grounded. The only time you should have power to the instruments is in the run position. I sure hope that this is helpful. Leo Chevelle Tach Gauge Dash Wiring - Original Message - From: rml...@comcast.net To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Does anyone know where the voltage for the fuel and temp. guages is fed from. I have voltage to everything except these two guages. I unplugged the 12 pin connector that plugs into the pcb and checked for voltage there. everything is hot with the exception of temp and fuel. all my fuses are good. Any ideas.Thanks, Bob - Original Message - From: dhoesc...@granitecityperformance.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 10:03:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question
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I will suggest again that ground is critical. Your fuel sending unit should have its own ground wire. The temp sending unit is hot, internally the switch closes to ground. With the key to “on” both should be hot. Your fuse box should have one fuse marked “gauges” if it is hot on both sides. Then it is a ground issue or short in the gauge harness. From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of rml...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 4:25 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Does anyone know where the voltage for the fuel and temp. guages is fed from. I have voltage to everything except these two guages. I unplugged the 12 pin connector that plugs into the pcb and checked for voltage there. everything is hot with the exception of temp and fuel. all my fuses are good. Any ideas.Thanks, Bob - Original Message - From: dhoesc...@granitecityperformance.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 10:03:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I would suggest disconnecting the tan fuel sender feed wire at the fuel tank. Turn the key to RUN position and wait a few moments (some gauges are slow) with the tan wire disconnected the fuel gauge should read past full. Then ground the tan wire anywhere to the body and the gauge should read empty. If you get no response then you have a bad gauge or a wiring problem. -Original Message- From: Tom Rightler bluess...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 20:47 To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question If you want to check the gauges, send 12 volts directly to them and see if the needle moves. If the needle moves, the gauges is good and there are wiring issues elsewhere. I’ve seen brand new sending units fail. There should be 12 volts at the bulkhead connector with the key in the run position for all wiring to the gauges. Tom -Original Message- From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of rml...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 9:01 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question The sending. unit is grounded to the body, and the temp sending unit is new. Tom,do you know if there would or should be voltage at the 12 point connection into the pcb. for the temp and fuel guages - Original Message - From: Tom Rightler bluess...@comcast.net To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 8:53:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Is the fuel sending unit grounded to the body? If the temp gauge isn’t working, it’s usually a problem with the sending unit screwed into the head. Tom Rightler MCC Newsletter Editor http://www.chevelles.net/mcc -Original Message- From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of rml...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:32 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I'am a firm beliver that there is no such thing as a dumb question. My dash lights are working fine. the dimmer switch is working I just dont have a temp. guage or a fuel guage. - Original Message - From: dhoesc...@granitecityperformance.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 8:25:13 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Forgive me if it's a dumb question...did you try rotating the knob? I don't know if 1970 had the dimmer built into the headlight switch perhaps it's turned down to the lowest setting or the rheostat is burnt out? Second, did you check for power at the fuse? -Original Message- From: rml...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 19:08 To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Yes I do have a schematic. I have a 70 ss with guages. Iam just not sure why the guages are not working. - Original Message - From: dhoesc...@granitecityperformance.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 7:27:55 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Do you have a wiring schematic -or- would it help if you had one? What year Chevelle do you have? -Original Message- From: rml...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 17:02 To: dansolo...@msn.com, The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Dan, The guages are not new nor is the engine harness or the dash harness. And no the guages did not work before. I was hoping that putting
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Jim I appriciate your help. It seems to me Iam being told 2 different things here. Leo say's there should be no power at pins 10 and 11 and it sounds to me like your telling me there should be power at those pins. I dont understand the principles of operation here. I dont understand how they work.I hope someone here can explain to me exactly how it works. Does 12 volts go through the guage and the sending units add resistance to ground. Thanks every body for your help here. I just wanna get my guages working. - Original Message - From: Jim Thompson jimthompso...@gmail.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2010 7:10:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I will suggest again that ground is critical. Your fuel sending unit should have its own ground wire. The temp sending unit is hot, internally the switch closes to ground. With the key to “on” both should be hot. Your fuse box should have one fuse marked “gauges” if it is hot on both sides. Then it is a ground issue or short in the gauge harness. From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of rml...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 4:25 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Does anyone know where the voltage for the fuel and temp. guages is fed from. I have voltage to everything except these two guages. I unplugged the 12 pin connector that plugs into the pcb and checked for voltage there. everything is hot with the exception of temp and fuel. all my fuses are good. Any ideas.Thanks, Bob - Original Message - From: dhoesc...@granitecityperformance.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 10:03:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I would suggest disconnecting the tan fuel sender feed wire at the fuel tank. Turn the key to RUN position and wait a few moments (some gauges are slow) with the tan wire disconnected the fuel gauge should read past full. Then ground the tan wire anywhere to the body and the gauge should read empty. If you get no response then you have a bad gauge or a wiring problem. -Original Message- From: Tom Rightler bluess...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 20:47 To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question If you want to check the gauges, send 12 volts directly to them and see if the needle moves. If the needle moves, the gauges is good and there are wiring issues elsewhere. I’ve seen brand new sending units fail. There should be 12 volts at the bulkhead connector with the key in the run position for all wiring to the gauges. Tom -Original Message- From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of rml...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 9:01 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question The sending. unit is grounded to the body, and the temp sending unit is new. Tom,do you know if there would or should be voltage at the 12 point connection into the pcb. for the temp and fuel guages - Original Message - From: Tom Rightler bluess...@comcast.net To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 8:53:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Is the fuel sending unit grounded to the body? If the temp gauge isn’t working, it’s usually a problem with the sending unit screwed into the head. Tom Rightler MCC Newsletter Editor http://www.chevelles.net/mcc -Original Message- From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of rml...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:32 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I'am a firm beliver that there is no such thing as a dumb question. My dash lights are working fine. the dimmer switch is working I just dont have a temp. guage or a fuel guage. - Original Message - From: dhoesc...@granitecityperformance.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 8:25:13 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Forgive me if it's a dumb question...did you try rotating the knob? I don't know if 1970 had the dimmer built into the headlight switch perhaps it's turned down to the lowest setting or the rheostat is burnt out? Second, did you check for power at the fuse? -Original Message- From: rml...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 19:08 To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list
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Bob, Jim is right. With the cluster plug connected to the cluster and Ign switch in run, you should have 12v when you disconnect the plug at either the temp sender or fuel sender. If you don’t, then there is an open somewhere between the gauge fuse and the sender plugs. You can use a test light and disconnect the sender plugs and connect the test light to these connectors. The light should light but it will be dim. As for grounding; You should ground the engine to the frame and to the body. You should ground the body to the frame. The cluster should be grounded to the dash frame. The headlight should be grounded to the cluster by a shorting strap. The fuel tank should be grounded to the frame. All of these grounds need to be in place to eliminate any grounding loops. Bad grounds will give bad readings and can cause you to go around in circles. You did indicate that your gauges never did work. My 70 El Camino had a problem that was caused by the amp meter wires had melted in the dash harness. There was no indication of a problem except that the amp didn’t move. The outside of the harness looked good. I found the problem when install a TPI engine and rewired the harness for the computer and upgrade for glass fuse to ATO. Several of the wires were melted together. These old original harness are in bad shape. Do check the grounds. Leo - Original Message - From: rml...@comcast.net To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Jim I appriciate your help. It seems to me Iam being told 2 different things here. Leo say's there should be no power at pins 10 and 11 and it sounds to me like your telling me there should be power at those pins. I dont understand the principles of operation here. I dont understand how they work.I hope someone here can explain to me exactly how it works. Does 12 volts go through the guage and the sending units add resistance to ground. Thanks every body for your help here. I just wanna get my guages working. - Original Message - From: Jim Thompson jimthompso...@gmail.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2010 7:10:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I will suggest again that ground is critical. Your fuel sending unit should have its own ground wire. The temp sending unit is hot, internally the switch closes to ground. With the key to “on” both should be hot. Your fuse box should have one fuse marked “gauges” if it is hot on both sides. Then it is a ground issue or short in the gauge harness. From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of rml...@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 4:25 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Does anyone know where the voltage for the fuel and temp. guages is fed from. I have voltage to everything except these two guages. I unplugged the 12 pin connector that plugs into the pcb and checked for voltage there. everything is hot with the exception of temp and fuel. all my fuses are good. Any ideas.Thanks, Bob - Original Message - From: dhoesc...@granitecityperformance.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 10:03:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I would suggest disconnecting the tan fuel sender feed wire at the fuel tank. Turn the key to RUN position and wait a few moments (some gauges are slow) with the tan wire disconnected the fuel gauge should read past full. Then ground the tan wire anywhere to the body and the gauge should read empty. If you get no response then you have a bad gauge or a wiring problem. -Original Message- From: Tom Rightler bluess...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 20:47 To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question If you want to check the gauges, send 12 volts directly to them and see if the needle moves. If the needle moves, the gauges is good and there are wiring issues elsewhere. I’ve seen brand new sending units fail. There should be 12 volts at the bulkhead connector with the key in the run position for all wiring to the gauges. Tom -Original Message- From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of rml...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 9:01 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question The sending. unit is grounded to the body, and the temp sending unit is new. Tom,do you know if there would or should be voltage at the 12 point connection into the pcb. for the temp and fuel guages - Original
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they may not respond on accessory;try the run position - Original Message - From: rml...@comcast.net To: BOBBY Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 5:06 AM Subject: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I set my restored dash in place and connected the wires, turned the key to acess. and my temp. fuel, and amp guages did nothing. Should there be a voltage at the 12 point plug for each of these three guages. My dash lights work. Turn signals work. brake lights. All the lights are working. Iam stumped. Any ideas,Thanks. Frustrated.
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I had a hell of a time with the dash in my 70. Must have pulled it out and put it back in 6 times. Make sure that you have the three black ground wires hooked up. One goes to a screw on the cluster, one to the metal frame of the dash carrier and one to the e-brake. Also did you put the ground strap back in under the light switch? My problem turned out to be the headlight switch. Power to the cluster passes through this switch. One of the spades slipped out aside the connector and was not making contact. Here is the topic on chevelles.com. It has some great pics and information to diagnose the headlight switch. It also includes information on the 12 pin connector and tests to verify voltage at the fusebox. http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=260728highlight=hot+wires+SS+dash Dan It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object to realize you are in a hurry. http://www.freewebs.com/chevelles1970/ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 10:06:28 + From: rml...@comcast.net To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I set my restored dash in place and connected the wires, turned the key to acess. and my temp. fuel, and amp guages did nothing. Should there be a voltage at the 12 point plug for each of these three guages. My dash lights work. Turn signals work. brake lights. All the lights are working. Iam stumped. Any ideas,Thanks. Frustrated.
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Thanks for raising this subject. Had a similar problem in that my park lights did not come on. Found that the Australian light switch does not have spade number six, therefore no parklights! Otherwise the same! Busy repairing the old switch. - Original Message - From: Dan Solomon To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I had a hell of a time with the dash in my 70. Must have pulled it out and put it back in 6 times. Make sure that you have the three black ground wires hooked up. One goes to a screw on the cluster, one to the metal frame of the dash carrier and one to the e-brake. Also did you put the ground strap back in under the light switch? My problem turned out to be the headlight switch. Power to the cluster passes through this switch. One of the spades slipped out aside the connector and was not making contact. Here is the topic on chevelles.com. It has some great pics and information to diagnose the headlight switch. It also includes information on the 12 pin connector and tests to verify voltage at the fusebox. http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=260728highlight=hot+wires+SS+dash Dan It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object to realize you are in a hurry. http://www.freewebs.com/chevelles1970/ -- Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 10:06:28 + From: rml...@comcast.net To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I set my restored dash in place and connected the wires, turned the key to acess. and my temp. fuel, and amp guages did nothing. Should there be a voltage at the 12 point plug for each of these three guages. My dash lights work. Turn signals work. brake lights. All the lights are working. Iam stumped. Any ideas,Thanks. Frustrated.
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Thanks, Dan. Should I have a voltage at each pin on the 12 pin connector.ie.the fuel, temp, and amp. My lights are working, I didn't put a ground on the guage cluster itself. can that go on any screw on the back of the cluster. All the screws on the back go through the pcb. - Original Message - From: Dan Solomon dansolo...@msn.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 10:04:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I had a hell of a time with the dash in my 70. Must have pulled it out and put it back in 6 times. Make sure that you have the three black ground wires hooked up. One goes to a screw on the cluster, one to the metal frame of the dash carrier and one to the e-brake. Also did you put the ground strap back in under the light switch? My problem turned out to be the headlight switch. Power to the cluster passes through this switch. One of the spades slipped out aside the connector and was not making contact. Here is the topic on chevelles.com. It has some great pics and information to diagnose the headlight switch. It also includes information on the 12 pin connector and tests to verify voltage at the fusebox. http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=260728highlight=hot+wires+SS+dash Dan It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object to realize you are in a hurry. http://www.freewebs.com/chevelles1970/ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 10:06:28 + From: rml...@comcast.net To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I set my restored dash in place and connected the wires, turned the key to acess. and my temp. fuel, and amp guages did nothing. Should there be a voltage at the 12 point plug for each of these three guages. My dash lights work. Turn signals work. brake lights. All the lights are working. Iam stumped. Any ideas,Thanks. Frustrated.
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Bob, I don't remember if all of the wires in the connector are hot but you do need ground to the cluster. Use one of the screws that attach the metal cover to the plastic housing. Don't use the ones that attach the PCB. When you say your lights are working do you mean dash lights or headlights? Thanks, Dan -- Sent using BlackBerry -Original Message- From: rml...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 20:56:09 To: The Chevelle Mailing Listchevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Thanks, Dan. Should I have a voltage at each pin on the 12 pin connector.ie.the fuel, temp, and amp. My lights are working, I didn't put a ground on the guage cluster itself. can that go on any screw on the back of the cluster. All the screws on the back go through the pcb. - Original Message - From: Dan Solomon dansolo...@msn.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 10:04:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I had a hell of a time with the dash in my 70. Must have pulled it out and put it back in 6 times. Make sure that you have the three black ground wires hooked up. One goes to a screw on the cluster, one to the metal frame of the dash carrier and one to the e-brake. Also did you put the ground strap back in under the light switch? My problem turned out to be the headlight switch. Power to the cluster passes through this switch. One of the spades slipped out aside the connector and was not making contact. Here is the topic on chevelles.com. It has some great pics and information to diagnose the headlight switch. It also includes information on the 12 pin connector and tests to verify voltage at the fusebox. http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=260728highlight=hot+wires+SS+dash Dan It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object to realize you are in a hurry. http://www.freewebs.com/chevelles1970/ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 10:06:28 + From: rml...@comcast.net To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I set my restored dash in place and connected the wires, turned the key to acess. and my temp. fuel, and amp guages did nothing. Should there be a voltage at the 12 point plug for each of these three guages. My dash lights work. Turn signals work. brake lights. All the lights are working. Iam stumped. Any ideas,Thanks. Frustrated.
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Dan, I did ground the cluster with one of the screws that attach the metal to the plastic housing. And all my lights are working, dash lights, head lights, but none of my guages are working. Fuel, temp, or amp. All of my fuses are good. Any ideas. Thanks Bob - Original Message - From: Dan Solomon dansolo...@msn.com To: Chevelle List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 4:41:31 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Bob, I don't remember if all of the wires in the connector are hot but you do need ground to the cluster. Use one of the screws that attach the metal cover to the plastic housing. Don't use the ones that attach the PCB. When you say your lights are working do you mean dash lights or headlights? Thanks, Dan -- Sent using BlackBerry From: rml...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 20:56:09 + (UTC) To: The Chevelle Mailing Listchevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Thanks, Dan. Should I have a voltage at each pin on the 12 pin connector.ie.the fuel, temp, and amp. My lights are working, I didn't put a ground on the guage cluster itself. can that go on any screw on the back of the cluster. All the screws on the back go through the pcb. - Original Message - From: Dan Solomon dansolo...@msn.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 10:04:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I had a hell of a time with the dash in my 70. Must have pulled it out and put it back in 6 times. Make sure that you have the three black ground wires hooked up. One goes to a screw on the cluster, one to the metal frame of the dash carrier and one to the e-brake. Also did you put the ground strap back in under the light switch? My problem turned out to be the headlight switch. Power to the cluster passes through this switch. One of the spades slipped out aside the connector and was not making contact. Here is the topic on chevelles.com. It has some great pics and information to diagnose the headlight switch. It also includes information on the 12 pin connector and tests to verify voltage at the fusebox. http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=260728highlight=hot+wires+SS+dash Dan It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object to realize you are in a hurry. http://www.freewebs.com/chevelles1970/ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 10:06:28 + From: rml...@comcast.net To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I set my restored dash in place and connected the wires, turned the key to acess. and my temp. fuel, and amp guages did nothing. Should there be a voltage at the 12 point plug for each of these three guages. My dash lights work. Turn signals work. brake lights. All the lights are working. Iam stumped. Any ideas,Thanks. Frustrated.
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Are the gauges new? How about the dash harness and the engine harness? Did the gauges work before you made your changes? The reason I ask is that the pins are in different locations at the firewall. If one harness is from a 70 and one from a 71-72 that may cause your problem. Thanks, Dan -- Sent using BlackBerry -Original Message- From: rml...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 21:54:45 To: dansolo...@msn.com; The Chevelle Mailing Listchevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Dan, I did ground the cluster with one of the screws that attach the metal to the plastic housing. And all my lights are working, dash lights, head lights, but none of my guages are working. Fuel, temp, or amp. All of my fuses are good. Any ideas. Thanks Bob - Original Message - From: Dan Solomon dansolo...@msn.com To: Chevelle List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 4:41:31 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Bob, I don't remember if all of the wires in the connector are hot but you do need ground to the cluster. Use one of the screws that attach the metal cover to the plastic housing. Don't use the ones that attach the PCB. When you say your lights are working do you mean dash lights or headlights? Thanks, Dan -- Sent using BlackBerry From: rml...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 20:56:09 + (UTC) To: The Chevelle Mailing Listchevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Thanks, Dan. Should I have a voltage at each pin on the 12 pin connector.ie.the fuel, temp, and amp. My lights are working, I didn't put a ground on the guage cluster itself. can that go on any screw on the back of the cluster. All the screws on the back go through the pcb. - Original Message - From: Dan Solomon dansolo...@msn.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 10:04:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I had a hell of a time with the dash in my 70. Must have pulled it out and put it back in 6 times. Make sure that you have the three black ground wires hooked up. One goes to a screw on the cluster, one to the metal frame of the dash carrier and one to the e-brake. Also did you put the ground strap back in under the light switch? My problem turned out to be the headlight switch. Power to the cluster passes through this switch. One of the spades slipped out aside the connector and was not making contact. Here is the topic on chevelles.com. It has some great pics and information to diagnose the headlight switch. It also includes information on the 12 pin connector and tests to verify voltage at the fusebox. http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=260728highlight=hot+wires+SS+dash Dan It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object to realize you are in a hurry. http://www.freewebs.com/chevelles1970/ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 10:06:28 + From: rml...@comcast.net To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I set my restored dash in place and connected the wires, turned the key to acess. and my temp. fuel, and amp guages did nothing. Should there be a voltage at the 12 point plug for each of these three guages. My dash lights work. Turn signals work. brake lights. All the lights are working. Iam stumped. Any ideas,Thanks. Frustrated.
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Dan, The guages are not new nor is the engine harness or the dash harness. And no the guages did not work before. I was hoping that putting a new pcb. in would get them working. All the wiring is still original to the car. I did put voltage to the gas guage when I had it on the bench and was able to get movement. I used a 9 volt battery and the guage moved to around 1/2 tank. I then reversed the polarity and the guage went back to E. So with that said I kinda assumed the guages were o k. I really appriciate your efforts, Keep pitching maby eventually I'll get a hit. Thanks Bob - Original Message - From: Dan Solomon dansolo...@msn.com To: Chevelle List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 5:34:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Are the gauges new? How about the dash harness and the engine harness? Did the gauges work before you made your changes? The reason I ask is that the pins are in different locations at the firewall. If one harness is from a 70 and one from a 71-72 that may cause your problem. Thanks, Dan -- Sent using BlackBerry From: rml...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 21:54:45 + (UTC) To: dansolo...@msn.com; The Chevelle Mailing Listchevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Dan, I did ground the cluster with one of the screws that attach the metal to the plastic housing. And all my lights are working, dash lights, head lights, but none of my guages are working. Fuel, temp, or amp. All of my fuses are good. Any ideas. Thanks Bob - Original Message - From: Dan Solomon dansolo...@msn.com To: Chevelle List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 4:41:31 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Bob, I don't remember if all of the wires in the connector are hot but you do need ground to the cluster. Use one of the screws that attach the metal cover to the plastic housing. Don't use the ones that attach the PCB. When you say your lights are working do you mean dash lights or headlights? Thanks, Dan -- Sent using BlackBerry From: rml...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 20:56:09 + (UTC) To: The Chevelle Mailing Listchevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Thanks, Dan. Should I have a voltage at each pin on the 12 pin connector.ie.the fuel, temp, and amp. My lights are working, I didn't put a ground on the guage cluster itself. can that go on any screw on the back of the cluster. All the screws on the back go through the pcb. - Original Message - From: Dan Solomon dansolo...@msn.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 10:04:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I had a hell of a time with the dash in my 70. Must have pulled it out and put it back in 6 times. Make sure that you have the three black ground wires hooked up. One goes to a screw on the cluster, one to the metal frame of the dash carrier and one to the e-brake. Also did you put the ground strap back in under the light switch? My problem turned out to be the headlight switch. Power to the cluster passes through this switch. One of the spades slipped out aside the connector and was not making contact. Here is the topic on chevelles.com. It has some great pics and information to diagnose the headlight switch. It also includes information on the 12 pin connector and tests to verify voltage at the fusebox. http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=260728highlight=hot+wires+SS+dash Dan It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object to realize you are in a hurry. http://www.freewebs.com/chevelles1970/ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 10:06:28 + From: rml...@comcast.net To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I set my restored dash in place and connected the wires, turned the key to acess. and my temp. fuel, and amp guages did nothing. Should there be a voltage at the 12 point plug for each of these three guages. My dash lights work. Turn signals work. brake lights. All the lights are working. Iam stumped. Any ideas,Thanks. Frustrated.
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Do you have a wiring schematic -or- would it help if you had one? What year Chevelle do you have? -Original Message- From: rml...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 17:02 To: dansolo...@msn.com, The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I set my restored dash in place and connected the wires, turned the key to acess. and my temp. fuel, and amp guages did nothing. Should there be a voltage at the 12 point plug for each of these three guages. My dash lights work. Turn signals work. brake lights. All the lights are working. Iam stumped. Any ideas,Thanks. Frustrated.
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Yes I do have a schematic. I have a 70 ss with guages. Iam just not sure why the guages are not working. - Original Message - From: dhoesc...@granitecityperformance.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 7:27:55 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Do you have a wiring schematic -or- would it help if you had one? What year Chevelle do you have? -Original Message- From: rml...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 17:02 To: dansolo...@msn.com, The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Dan, The guages are not new nor is the engine harness or the dash harness. And no the guages did not work before. I was hoping that putting a new pcb. in would get them working. All the wiring is still original to the car. I did put voltage to the gas guage when I had it on the bench and was able to get movement. I used a 9 volt battery and the guage moved to around 1/2 tank. I then reversed the polarity and the guage went back to E. So with that said I kinda assumed the guages were o k. I really appriciate your efforts, Keep pitching maby eventually I'll get a hit. Thanks Bob - Original Message - From: Dan Solomon dansolo...@msn.com To: Chevelle List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 5:34:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Are the gauges new? How about the dash harness and the engine harness? Did the gauges work before you made your changes? The reason I ask is that the pins are in different locations at the firewall. If one harness is from a 70 and one from a 71-72 that may cause your problem. Thanks, Dan -- Sent using BlackBerry From: rml...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 21:54:45 + (UTC) To: dansolo...@msn.com; The Chevelle Mailing Listchevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Dan, I did ground the cluster with one of the screws that attach the metal to the plastic housing. And all my lights are working, dash lights, head lights, but none of my guages are working. Fuel, temp, or amp. All of my fuses are good. Any ideas. Thanks Bob - Original Message - From: Dan Solomon dansolo...@msn.com To: Chevelle List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 4:41:31 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Bob, I don't remember if all of the wires in the connector are hot but you do need ground to the cluster. Use one of the screws that attach the metal cover to the plastic housing. Don't use the ones that attach the PCB. When you say your lights are working do you mean dash lights or headlights? Thanks, Dan -- Sent using BlackBerry From: rml...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 20:56:09 + (UTC) To: The Chevelle Mailing Listchevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Thanks, Dan. Should I have a voltage at each pin on the 12 pin connector.ie.the fuel, temp, and amp. My lights are working, I didn't put a ground on the guage cluster itself. can that go on any screw on the back of the cluster. All the screws on the back go through the pcb. - Original Message - From: Dan Solomon dansolo...@msn.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 10:04:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I had a hell of a time with the dash in my 70. Must have pulled it out and put it back in 6 times. Make sure that you have the three black ground wires hooked up. One goes to a screw on the cluster, one to the metal frame of the dash carrier and one to the e-brake. Also did you put the ground strap back in under the light switch? My problem turned out to be the headlight switch. Power to the cluster passes through this switch. One of the spades slipped out aside the connector and was not making contact. Here is the topic on chevelles.com. It has some great pics and information to diagnose the headlight switch. It also includes information on the 12 pin connector and tests to verify voltage at the fusebox. http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=260728highlight=hot+wires+SS+dash Dan It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object to realize you are in a hurry. http://www.freewebs.com/chevelles1970/ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 10:06:28 + From: rml...@comcast.net To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I set my restored dash in place and connected the wires, turned the key to acess. and my temp. fuel, and amp guages did nothing. Should there be a voltage at the 12 point plug for each of these three guages. My dash lights work. Turn signals work. brake lights. All the lights
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Forgive me if it's a dumb question...did you try rotating the knob? I don't know if 1970 had the dimmer built into the headlight switch perhaps it's turned down to the lowest setting or the rheostat is burnt out? Second, did you check for power at the fuse? -Original Message- From: rml...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 19:08 To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I set my restored dash in place and connected the wires, turned the key to acess. and my temp. fuel, and amp guages did nothing. Should there be a voltage at the 12 point plug for each of these three guages. My dash lights work. Turn signals work. brake lights. All the lights are working. Iam stumped. Any ideas,Thanks. Frustrated.
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I'am a firm beliver that there is no such thing as a dumb question. My dash lights are working fine. the dimmer switch is working I just dont have a temp. guage or a fuel guage. - Original Message - From: dhoesc...@granitecityperformance.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 8:25:13 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Forgive me if it's a dumb question...did you try rotating the knob? I don't know if 1970 had the dimmer built into the headlight switch perhaps it's turned down to the lowest setting or the rheostat is burnt out? Second, did you check for power at the fuse? -Original Message- From: rml...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 19:08 To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Yes I do have a schematic. I have a 70 ss with guages. Iam just not sure why the guages are not working. - Original Message - From: dhoesc...@granitecityperformance.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 7:27:55 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Do you have a wiring schematic -or- would it help if you had one? What year Chevelle do you have? -Original Message- From: rml...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 17:02 To: dansolo...@msn.com, The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Dan, The guages are not new nor is the engine harness or the dash harness. And no the guages did not work before. I was hoping that putting a new pcb . in would get them working. All the wiring is still original to the car. I did put voltage to the gas guage when I had it on the bench and was able to get movement. I used a 9 volt battery and the guage moved to around 1/2 tank. I then reversed the polarity and the guage went back to E. So with that said I kinda assumed the guages were o k. I really appriciate your efforts, Keep pitching maby eventually I'll get a hit. Thanks Bob - Original Message - From: Dan Solomon dansolo...@msn.com To: Chevelle List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 5:34:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [ Chevelle -list] wiring question Are the gauges new? How about the dash harness and the engine harness? Did the gauges work before you made your changes? The reason I ask is that the pins are in different locations at the firewall. If one harness is from a 70 and one from a 71-72 that may cause your problem. Thanks, Dan -- Sent using BlackBerry From: rml...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 21:54:45 + ( UTC ) To: dansolo...@msn.com; The Chevelle Mailing Listchevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [ Chevelle -list] wiring question Dan, I did ground the cluster with one of the screws that attach the metal to the plastic housing. And all my lights are working, dash lights, head lights, but none of my guages are working. Fuel, temp, or amp. All of my fuses are good. Any ideas. Thanks Bob - Original Message - From: Dan Solomon dansolo...@msn.com To: Chevelle List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 4:41:31 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [ Chevelle -list] wiring question Bob, I don't remember if all of the wires in the connector are hot but you do need ground to the cluster. Use one of the screws that attach the metal cover to the plastic housing. Don't use the ones that attach the PCB. When you say your lights are working do you mean dash lights or headlights? Thanks, Dan -- Sent using BlackBerry From: rml...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 20:56:09 + ( UTC ) To: The Chevelle Mailing Listchevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [ Chevelle -list] wiring question Thanks, Dan. Should I have a voltage at each pin on the 12 pin connector.ie.the fuel, temp, and amp. My lights are working, I didn't put a ground on the guage cluster itself. can that go on any screw on the back of the cluster. All the screws on the back go through the pcb . - Original Message - From: Dan Solomon dansolo...@msn.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 10:04:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [ Chevelle -list] wiring question I had a hell of a time with the dash in my 70. Must have pulled it out and put it back in 6 times. Make sure that you have the three black ground wires hooked up. One goes to a screw on the cluster, one to the metal frame of the dash carrier and one to the e-brake. Also did you put the ground strap back in under the light switch? My problem turned out to be the headlight switch. Power to the cluster passes through this switch. One of the spades
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Oh I'm sorry, I misunderstood something somewhere... For the fuel level, have you tried to measure the resistance directly from the fuel tank sender using an ohmmeter? -Original Message- From: rml...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 19:31 To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I set my restored dash in place and connected the wires, turned the key to acess. and my temp. fuel, and amp guages did nothing. Should there be a voltage at the 12 point plug for each of these three guages. My dash lights work. Turn signals work. brake lights. All the lights are working. Iam stumped. Any ideas,Thanks. Frustrated.
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Is the fuel sending unit grounded to the body? If the temp gauge isn't working, it's usually a problem with the sending unit screwed into the head. Tom Rightler MCC Newsletter Editor http://www.chevelles.net/mcc -Original Message- From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of rml...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:32 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I'am a firm beliver that there is no such thing as a dumb question. My dash lights are working fine. the dimmer switch is working I just dont have a temp. guage or a fuel guage. - Original Message - From: dhoesc...@granitecityperformance.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 8:25:13 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Forgive me if it's a dumb question...did you try rotating the knob? I don't know if 1970 had the dimmer built into the headlight switch perhaps it's turned down to the lowest setting or the rheostat is burnt out? Second, did you check for power at the fuse? -Original Message- From: rml...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 19:08 To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Yes I do have a schematic. I have a 70 ss with guages. Iam just not sure why the guages are not working. - Original Message - From: dhoesc...@granitecityperformance.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 7:27:55 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Do you have a wiring schematic -or- would it help if you had one? What year Chevelle do you have? -Original Message- From: rml...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 17:02 To: dansolo...@msn.com, The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Dan, The guages are not new nor is the engine harness or the dash harness. And no the guages did not work before. I was hoping that putting a new pcb. in would get them working. All the wiring is still original to the car. I did put voltage to the gas guage when I had it on the bench and was able to get movement. I used a 9 volt battery and the guage moved to around 1/2 tank. I then reversed the polarity and the guage went back to E. So with that said I kinda assumed the guages were o k. I really appriciate your efforts, Keep pitching maby eventually I'll get a hit. Thanks Bob - Original Message - From: Dan Solomon dansolo...@msn.com To: Chevelle List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 5:34:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Are the gauges new? How about the dash harness and the engine harness? Did the gauges work before you made your changes? The reason I ask is that the pins are in different locations at the firewall. If one harness is from a 70 and one from a 71-72 that may cause your problem. Thanks, Dan -- Sent using BlackBerry _ From: rml...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 21:54:45 + (UTC) To: dansolo...@msn.com; The Chevelle Mailing Listchevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Dan, I did ground the cluster with one of the screws that attach the metal to the plastic housing. And all my lights are working, dash lights, head lights, but none of my guages are working. Fuel, temp, or amp. All of my fuses are good. Any ideas. Thanks Bob - Original Message - From: Dan Solomon dansolo...@msn.com To: Chevelle List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 4:41:31 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Bob, I don't remember if all of the wires in the connector are hot but you do need ground to the cluster. Use one of the screws that attach the metal cover to the plastic housing. Don't use the ones that attach the PCB. When you say your lights are working do you mean dash lights or headlights? Thanks, Dan -- Sent using BlackBerry _ From: rml...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 20:56:09 + (UTC) To: The Chevelle Mailing Listchevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Thanks, Dan. Should I have a voltage at each pin on the 12 pin connector.ie.the fuel, temp, and amp. My lights are working, I didn't put a ground on the guage cluster itself. can that go on any screw on the back of the cluster. All the screws on the back go through the pcb. - Original Message - From: Dan Solomon dansolo...@msn.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 10:04:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I had a hell of a time with the dash in my 70. Must have pulled it out
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The sending. unit is grounded to the body, and the temp sending unit is new. Tom,do you know if there would or should be voltage at the 12 point connection into the pcb. for the temp and fuel guages - Original Message - From: Tom Rightler bluess...@comcast.net To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 8:53:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Is the fuel sending unit grounded to the body? If the temp gauge isn’t working, it’s usually a problem with the sending unit screwed into the head. Tom Rightler MCC Newsletter Editor http://www.chevelles.net/mcc -Original Message- From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of rml...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:32 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I'am a firm beliver that there is no such thing as a dumb question. My dash lights are working fine. the dimmer switch is working I just dont have a temp. guage or a fuel guage. - Original Message - From: dhoesc...@granitecityperformance.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 8:25:13 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Forgive me if it's a dumb question...did you try rotating the knob? I don't know if 1970 had the dimmer built into the headlight switch perhaps it's turned down to the lowest setting or the rheostat is burnt out? Second, did you check for power at the fuse? -Original Message- From: rml...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 19:08 To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Yes I do have a schematic. I have a 70 ss with guages. Iam just not sure why the guages are not working. - Original Message - From: dhoesc...@granitecityperformance.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 7:27:55 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Do you have a wiring schematic -or- would it help if you had one? What year Chevelle do you have? -Original Message- From: rml...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 17:02 To: dansolo...@msn.com, The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Dan, The guages are not new nor is the engine harness or the dash harness. And no the guages did not work before. I was hoping that putting a new pcb. in would get them working. All the wiring is still original to the car. I did put voltage to the gas guage when I had it on the bench and was able to get movement. I used a 9 volt battery and the guage moved to around 1/2 tank. I then reversed the polarity and the guage went back to E. So with that said I kinda assumed the guages were o k. I really appriciate your efforts, Keep pitching maby eventually I'll get a hit. Thanks Bob - Original Message - From: Dan Solomon dansolo...@msn.com To: Chevelle List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 5:34:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Are the gauges new? How about the dash harness and the engine harness? Did the gauges work before you made your changes? The reason I ask is that the pins are in different locations at the firewall. If one harness is from a 70 and one from a 71-72 that may cause your problem. Thanks, Dan -- Sent using BlackBerry From: rml...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 21:54:45 + (UTC) To: dansolo...@msn.com; The Chevelle Mailing Listchevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Dan, I did ground the cluster with one of the screws that attach the metal to the plastic housing. And all my lights are working, dash lights, head lights, but none of my guages are working. Fuel, temp, or amp. All of my fuses are good. Any ideas. Thanks Bob - Original Message - From: Dan Solomon dansolo...@msn.com To: Chevelle List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 4:41:31 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Bob, I don't remember if all of the wires in the connector are hot but you do need ground to the cluster. Use one of the screws that attach the metal cover to the plastic housing. Don't use the ones that attach the PCB. When you say your lights are working do you mean dash lights or headlights? Thanks, Dan -- Sent using BlackBerry From: rml...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 20:56:09 + (UTC) To: The Chevelle Mailing Listchevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Thanks, Dan. Should I have
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Ground wires are very important I added wires from the back of the gauge cluster to the ground strip for the light switch and then to the metal dash. What happens when the switch is turned to on? From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of rml...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 5:06 AM To: BOBBY Subject: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I set my restored dash in place and connected the wires, turned the key to acess. and my temp. fuel, and amp guages did nothing. Should there be a voltage at the 12 point plug for each of these three guages. My dash lights work. Turn signals work. brake lights. All the lights are working. Iam stumped. Any ideas,Thanks. Frustrated. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2660 - Release Date: 01/31/10 14:35:00
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You may have a bad ground on the fuel sending unit. I assume the engine is in the car. From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of rml...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 6:02 PM To: dansolo...@msn.com; The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Dan, The guages are not new nor is the engine harness or the dash harness. And no the guages did not work before. I was hoping that putting a new pcb. in would get them working. All the wiring is still original to the car. I did put voltage to the gas guage when I had it on the bench and was able to get movement. I used a 9 volt battery and the guage moved to around 1/2 tank. I then reversed the polarity and the guage went back to E. So with that said I kinda assumed the guages were o k. I really appriciate your efforts, Keep pitching maby eventually I'll get a hit. Thanks Bob - Original Message - From: Dan Solomon dansolo...@msn.com To: Chevelle List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 5:34:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Are the gauges new? How about the dash harness and the engine harness? Did the gauges work before you made your changes? The reason I ask is that the pins are in different locations at the firewall. If one harness is from a 70 and one from a 71-72 that may cause your problem. Thanks, Dan -- Sent using BlackBerry _ From: rml...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 21:54:45 + (UTC) To: dansolo...@msn.com; The Chevelle Mailing Listchevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Dan, I did ground the cluster with one of the screws that attach the metal to the plastic housing. And all my lights are working, dash lights, head lights, but none of my guages are working. Fuel, temp, or amp. All of my fuses are good. Any ideas. Thanks Bob - Original Message - From: Dan Solomon dansolo...@msn.com To: Chevelle List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 4:41:31 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Bob, I don't remember if all of the wires in the connector are hot but you do need ground to the cluster. Use one of the screws that attach the metal cover to the plastic housing. Don't use the ones that attach the PCB. When you say your lights are working do you mean dash lights or headlights? Thanks, Dan -- Sent using BlackBerry _ From: rml...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 20:56:09 + (UTC) To: The Chevelle Mailing Listchevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Thanks, Dan. Should I have a voltage at each pin on the 12 pin connector.ie.the fuel, temp, and amp. My lights are working, I didn't put a ground on the guage cluster itself. can that go on any screw on the back of the cluster. All the screws on the back go through the pcb. - Original Message - From: Dan Solomon dansolo...@msn.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 10:04:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I had a hell of a time with the dash in my 70. Must have pulled it out and put it back in 6 times. Make sure that you have the three black ground wires hooked up. One goes to a screw on the cluster, one to the metal frame of the dash carrier and one to the e-brake. Also did you put the ground strap back in under the light switch? My problem turned out to be the headlight switch. Power to the cluster passes through this switch. One of the spades slipped out aside the connector and was not making contact. Here is the topic on chevelles.com. It has some great pics and information to diagnose the headlight switch. It also includes information on the 12 pin connector and tests to verify voltage at the fusebox. http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=260728 http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=260728highlight=hot+wires+SS+dash highlight=hot+wires+SS+dash Dan It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object to realize you are in a hurry. http://www.freewebs.com/chevelles1970/ _ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 10:06:28 + From: rml...@comcast.net To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I set my restored dash in place and connected the wires, turned the key to acess. and my temp. fuel, and amp guages did nothing. Should there be a voltage at the 12 point plug for each of these three guages. My dash lights work. Turn signals work. brake lights. All the lights are working. Iam stumped. Any ideas,Thanks. Frustrated. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2660 - Release Date: 01/31/10 14:35:00
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If you want to check the gauges, send 12 volts directly to them and see if the needle moves. If the needle moves, the gauges is good and there are wiring issues elsewhere. I've seen brand new sending units fail. There should be 12 volts at the bulkhead connector with the key in the run position for all wiring to the gauges. Tom -Original Message- From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of rml...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 9:01 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question The sending. unit is grounded to the body, and the temp sending unit is new. Tom,do you know if there would or should be voltage at the 12 point connection into the pcb. for the temp and fuel guages - Original Message - From: Tom Rightler bluess...@comcast.net To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 8:53:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Is the fuel sending unit grounded to the body? If the temp gauge isn't working, it's usually a problem with the sending unit screwed into the head. Tom Rightler MCC Newsletter Editor http://www.chevelles.net/mcc -Original Message- From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of rml...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:32 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question I'am a firm beliver that there is no such thing as a dumb question. My dash lights are working fine. the dimmer switch is working I just dont have a temp. guage or a fuel guage. - Original Message - From: dhoesc...@granitecityperformance.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 8:25:13 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Forgive me if it's a dumb question...did you try rotating the knob? I don't know if 1970 had the dimmer built into the headlight switch perhaps it's turned down to the lowest setting or the rheostat is burnt out? Second, did you check for power at the fuse? -Original Message- From: rml...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 19:08 To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Yes I do have a schematic. I have a 70 ss with guages. Iam just not sure why the guages are not working. - Original Message - From: dhoesc...@granitecityperformance.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 7:27:55 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Do you have a wiring schematic -or- would it help if you had one? What year Chevelle do you have? -Original Message- From: rml...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 17:02 To: dansolo...@msn.com, The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Dan, The guages are not new nor is the engine harness or the dash harness. And no the guages did not work before. I was hoping that putting a new pcb. in would get them working. All the wiring is still original to the car. I did put voltage to the gas guage when I had it on the bench and was able to get movement. I used a 9 volt battery and the guage moved to around 1/2 tank. I then reversed the polarity and the guage went back to E. So with that said I kinda assumed the guages were o k. I really appriciate your efforts, Keep pitching maby eventually I'll get a hit. Thanks Bob - Original Message - From: Dan Solomon dansolo...@msn.com To: Chevelle List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 5:34:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Are the gauges new? How about the dash harness and the engine harness? Did the gauges work before you made your changes? The reason I ask is that the pins are in different locations at the firewall. If one harness is from a 70 and one from a 71-72 that may cause your problem. Thanks, Dan -- Sent using BlackBerry _ From: rml...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 21:54:45 + (UTC) To: dansolo...@msn.com; The Chevelle Mailing Listchevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Dan, I did ground the cluster with one of the screws that attach the metal to the plastic housing. And all my lights are working, dash lights, head lights, but none of my guages are working. Fuel, temp, or amp. All of my fuses are good. Any ideas. Thanks Bob - Original Message - From: Dan Solomon dansolo...@msn.com To: Chevelle List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 4:41:31 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Bob, I don't remember if all of the wires in the connector
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I would suggest disconnecting the tan fuel sender feed wire at the fuel tank. Turn the key to RUN position and wait a few moments (some gauges are slow) with the tan wire disconnected the fuel gauge should read past full. Then ground the tan wire anywhere to the body and the gauge should read empty. If you get no response then you have a bad gauge or a wiring problem. -Original Message- From: Tom Rightler bluess...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 20:47 To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question If you want to check the gauges, send 12volts directly to them and see if the needle moves. If the needle moves, the gaugesis good and there are wiring issues elsewhere. I’ve seen brand new sendingunits fail. There should be 12 volts at the bulkhead connector with the key inthe run position for all wiring to the gauges. Tom -Original Message- From:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net[mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] OnBehalf Of rml...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 01, 20109:01 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list]wiring question The sending. unit is grounded to the body, andthe temp sending unit is new. Tom,do you know if there would or should bevoltage at the 12 point connection into the pcb. for the temp and fuelguages - Original Message - From: Tom Rightler bluess...@comcast.net To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 8:53:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Is the fuel sending unitgrounded to the body? If the temp gauge isn’t working, it’s usually a problemwith the sending unit screwed into the head. Tom Rightler MCC NewsletterEditor http://www.chevelles.net/mcc -OriginalMessage- From:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net]on Behalf Of rml...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 01, 20108:32 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list]wiring question I'am a firm beliver that there is no such thingas a dumb question. My dash lights are working fine. the dimmer switch isworking I just dont have a temp. guage or a fuel guage. - Original Message - From: dhoesc...@granitecityperformance.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 8:25:13 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Forgive me ifit's a dumb question...did you try rotating the knob? I don't know if1970 had the dimmer built into the headlight switch perhaps it'sturned down to the lowest setting or the rheostat is burnt out? Second, did you check for power at the fuse? -Original Message- From: rml...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 19:08 To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Yes I do have a schematic. I have a 70 ss withguages. Iam just not sure why the guages are not working. - Original Message - From: dhoesc...@granitecityperformance.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 7:27:55 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Do you have awiring schematic -or- would it help if you had one? What year Chevelle doyou have? -Original Message- From: rml...@comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 17:02 To: dansolo...@msn.com, The Chevelle Mailing Listchevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Dan, The guages are not new nor is the engineharness or the dash harness. And no the guages did not work before. I washoping that putting a new pcb. in would get them working. All the wiring isstill original to the car. I did put voltage to the gas guage when I had it onthe bench and was able to get movement. I used a 9 volt battery and the guagemoved to around 1/2 tank. I then reversed the polarity and the guage went backto E. So with that said I kinda assumed the guages were o k. I reallyappriciate your efforts, Keep pitching maby eventually I'll get a hit. ThanksBob - Original Message - From: Dan Solomon dansolo...@msn.com To: Chevelle List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 5:34:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question Are the gauges new? How about the dash harness and the engine harness? Did thegauges work before you made your changes? The reason I ask is that the pins arein different locations at the firewall. If one harness is from a 70 and onefrom a 71-72 that may cause your problem. Thanks, Dan -- Sent using BlackBerry From: rml...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 21:54:45 + (UTC) To: dansolo...@msn.com; The ChevelleMailing Listchevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] wiring question
