Re: [CinCVS] gpl headers

[Jeroen van de Nieuwenhof]

Kevin Brosius schreef:

Well, I certainly don't speak for all the developers...  But those who
use Ubuntu and Debian are the ones concerned.  I'm sad to see they have
not stepped up and provided a patch.

You suggested that having this done would increase the number of
developers for Cinelerra.  I find this hard to believe, if there aren't
any developers on those distros already willing to work on integration.

Sorry if this sounds unreasonable, but we all have things we would like
to see done.  Patching dozens of files is not one I personally plan on
tackling.


I don't think applying the headers will immediately increase the number 
of developers, but it sure will increase the number of people using 
Cinelerra. And the more people using the software, the bigger the chance 
is that some devs will step up and will help coding. Remember that 
Ubuntu has a _lot_ of potential users for Cinelerra.


Regards,

Jeroen van de Nieuwenhof

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Re: [CinCVS] gpl headers

[Cory K.]

mozzol contacted Adam and got permission.

The issue is the interpretation of the link:
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-howto.html

>From the link: "This statement should go near the beginning of every
source file, close to the copyright notices."

So does this mean per file or in the root dir? The consensus within
Debian seems to be every file.

In the end Ill contact the FSF for clarification.

Andraž Tori wrote:
> i believe there was talk about _exactly_ this few months ago on this
> list.
>
> It was resolved by someone contacting Adam and getting clearance for the
> code he wrote. Now someone must check if there are any other files in
> the tree and clear up all of the cases.
>
> So ... you only need time.
>
> I've wrote a few files in CVS version... and as far as i am concerned
> they can be licenced under GPL 2 or any later revision.
>
> bye
> andraz
>
> On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 23:40 +0100, muzzol wrote:
>   
>> hi again,
>>
>> im sad to see no developers are answering. this is really serious, in 
>> fact it could be a GPL license violation and is as simple to resolv as 
>> applying a simple patch.
>>
>> this is mainly focused to developers but i would like to hear oppinions 
>> here.
>>
>>
>> 
>>> True. So why hasnt this been done already?
>>>
>>> Ive been told the license file in the root dir is correct but
>>> insufficient for Debian packaging rules.
>>>
>>> So if that license file is correct, and the devs are *sure* *every* file
>>> and part of code is GPL we should be able to make the assumption that
>>> the files are cool and add the header to the files.
>>>
>>> We have permission to do this but it would be better to work upstream to
>>> get this done. ie: a patch or something.
>>>
>>> Cory
>>>
>>>   
>> 
>
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Re: [CinCVS] gpl headers

[Cory K.]

Kevin Brosius wrote:
> Well, I certainly don't speak for all the developers...  But those who
> use Ubuntu and Debian are the ones concerned.  I'm sad to see they have
> not stepped up and provided a patch.
>   
_If_ the way the current license is structured is wrong, it concerns
everyone.

http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-howto.html

>From the link: "This statement should go near the beginning of every
source file, close to the copyright notices."

So does this mean per file or in the root dir? The consensus within
Debian seems to be every file.

Also if you read the other posts, muzzol has stepped up and offered to
do the patch if needed.
> You suggested that having this done would increase the number of
> developers for Cinelerra.  I find this hard to believe, if there aren't
> any developers on those distros already willing to work on integration.
>   
"Developers" was probably the wrong word. Defiantly more users and a
larger spotlight on the project.
> Sorry if this sounds unreasonable, but we all have things we would like
> to see done.  Patching dozens of files is not one I personally plan on
> tackling.
>   
Thats too bad. We could use the help. :) It actually looks to be around
2000 files from what Im told.
> Consider this...  It would be easier for CinelerraCV if the GPL license
> was applied first to Heroine's tree.  To that end, someone would need to
> generate a patch against Heroine's sources and submit it upstream.  Then
> it could be merged at our next release from upstream (2.2? 3.0?)
>
> Who using Debian or Ubuntu would like to step up and tackle that?
>
> Kevin
>
> (I'm also sad you have not learned how to bottom post. :D )
>   
Like I said, muzzol has stepped up. We just need to hear from devs.

So if we could get a chat going to see what can be done to better things
on all sides this would be awesome.
>
> On 2007-01-30 22:40, muzzol wrote:
>   
>> hi again,
>>
>> im sad to see no developers are answering. this is really serious, in 
>> fact it could be a GPL license violation and is as simple to resolv as 
>> applying a simple patch.
>>
>> this is mainly focused to developers but i would like to hear oppinions 
>> here.
>>
>>
>> 
>>> True. So why hasnt this been done already?
>>>
>>> Ive been told the license file in the root dir is correct but
>>> insufficient for Debian packaging rules.
>>>
>>> So if that license file is correct, and the devs are *sure* *every* file
>>> and part of code is GPL we should be able to make the assumption that
>>> the files are cool and add the header to the files.
>>>
>>> We have permission to do this but it would be better to work upstream to
>>> get this done. ie: a patch or something.
>>>
>>> Cory
>>>
>>>   
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Re: [CinCVS] gpl headers

[Andraž Tori]

i believe there was talk about _exactly_ this few months ago on this
list.

It was resolved by someone contacting Adam and getting clearance for the
code he wrote. Now someone must check if there are any other files in
the tree and clear up all of the cases.

So ... you only need time.

I've wrote a few files in CVS version... and as far as i am concerned
they can be licenced under GPL 2 or any later revision.

bye
andraz

On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 23:40 +0100, muzzol wrote:
> hi again,
> 
> im sad to see no developers are answering. this is really serious, in 
> fact it could be a GPL license violation and is as simple to resolv as 
> applying a simple patch.
> 
> this is mainly focused to developers but i would like to hear oppinions 
> here.
> 
> 
> > True. So why hasnt this been done already?
> > 
> > Ive been told the license file in the root dir is correct but
> > insufficient for Debian packaging rules.
> > 
> > So if that license file is correct, and the devs are *sure* *every* file
> > and part of code is GPL we should be able to make the assumption that
> > the files are cool and add the header to the files.
> > 
> > We have permission to do this but it would be better to work upstream to
> > get this done. ie: a patch or something.
> > 
> > Cory
> > 
> 
> 


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Re: [CinCVS] HDV to DVD (interlaced and PAL)

[Dan Streetman]

It can be done with 2 effects.  Note if you are converting to NTSC
(720x480) you cannot do this unless you add back in the "1080 to 480"
effect that was removed or "changed" to 1080x540 some time ago.  I
have no idea why it was removed/changed.

- load HDV file, do "resize track" and make sure it's 1440x1080
- add "1080 to 540" effect, select the right ?-fields-first mode (top or bottom)
 (you have to add back in the "1080 to 480" effect if converting to NTSC)
- add "translate" effect:
 "In X" and "In Y" : both 0
 "In W" and "In H" : 1440 x 1080
 "Out X" : 360  (i.e. this is ((1440 - 720) / 2) so if original is
1920 wide use 635)
 "Out Y" : 270  (i.e. this is ((1080 - 540) / 2) so if target is NTSC use 300)
 "Out W" : 720
 "Out H" : 1080  (the "1080 to 540" effect does height conversion)
- make sure the project is 720x540 (for PAL, 720x480 for NTSC)

that's it.

There is an alternate possibility using "frames->fields", "translate",
and "fields->frames" but the field/frame effects need to be changed
first to have an option to not double the lines, so that the translate
effect can work correctly on each field.

On 1/30/07, Marcin Kostur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi,

I still do not have any good prescription how to optimally
  make nice interlaced DVD from HDV 1080i material.

Anybody had  "one liner"?

Marcin

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Re: [CinCVS] gpl headers

[mskala]

On Tue, 30 Jan 2007, muzzol wrote:
> im sad to see no developers are answering. this is really serious, in
> fact it could be a GPL license violation and is as simple to resolv as

If you're the copyright holder, then your actions can't be GPL violations;
you don't need a license for your own work.  Just because you intend to
put something under the GPL doesn't mean you're REQUIRED to give notice of
that intent in a particular form.  Furthermore, there's nothing in the GPL
saying that it's only valid if mentioned in every source file, and it
would make no sense for that to be a requirement for GPL validity because
in many cases it would be impossible to comply with.  This is, at most, a
violation of Ubuntu's policy.

However, it's an easily resolved one - let's just put the notice in every
source file.  Does Ubuntu have a precise definition of exactly what notice
they want in every source file?  I'm put off if they claim "we require
what the GPL requires" because that's nonsense - the GPL doesn't and can't
require any such thing - but at the same time, it's more important to
satisfy Ubuntu on this point than to convince them.
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Re: [CinCVS] gpl headers

[Kevin Brosius]

Well, I certainly don't speak for all the developers...  But those who
use Ubuntu and Debian are the ones concerned.  I'm sad to see they have
not stepped up and provided a patch.

You suggested that having this done would increase the number of
developers for Cinelerra.  I find this hard to believe, if there aren't
any developers on those distros already willing to work on integration.

Sorry if this sounds unreasonable, but we all have things we would like
to see done.  Patching dozens of files is not one I personally plan on
tackling.

Consider this...  It would be easier for CinelerraCV if the GPL license
was applied first to Heroine's tree.  To that end, someone would need to
generate a patch against Heroine's sources and submit it upstream.  Then
it could be merged at our next release from upstream (2.2? 3.0?)

Who using Debian or Ubuntu would like to step up and tackle that?

Kevin

(I'm also sad you have not learned how to bottom post. :D )


On 2007-01-30 22:40, muzzol wrote:
> hi again,
> 
> im sad to see no developers are answering. this is really serious, in 
> fact it could be a GPL license violation and is as simple to resolv as 
> applying a simple patch.
> 
> this is mainly focused to developers but i would like to hear oppinions 
> here.
> 
> 
> > True. So why hasnt this been done already?
> > 
> > Ive been told the license file in the root dir is correct but
> > insufficient for Debian packaging rules.
> > 
> > So if that license file is correct, and the devs are *sure* *every* file
> > and part of code is GPL we should be able to make the assumption that
> > the files are cool and add the header to the files.
> > 
> > We have permission to do this but it would be better to work upstream to
> > get this done. ie: a patch or something.
> > 
> > Cory
> >

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Re: [CinCVS] gpl headers

[muzzol]

hi again,

im sad to see no developers are answering. this is really serious, in 
fact it could be a GPL license violation and is as simple to resolv as 
applying a simple patch.


this is mainly focused to developers but i would like to hear oppinions 
here.




True. So why hasnt this been done already?

Ive been told the license file in the root dir is correct but
insufficient for Debian packaging rules.

So if that license file is correct, and the devs are *sure* *every* file
and part of code is GPL we should be able to make the assumption that
the files are cool and add the header to the files.

We have permission to do this but it would be better to work upstream to
get this done. ie: a patch or something.

Cory




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[CinCVS] cinelerra/svn git mirrored to repo.or.cz

[Christian Thaeter]

I've just mirrored the cinelerra/svn repo to repo.or.cz (pull mode).

For all Developers who mirror their repo on pipapo.org, I suggest to
register their repository as 'fork' there too. To do this, just go to

 http://repo.or.cz/m/regproj.cgi?name=cinelerra_cv/

and fill out the form. If you don't have the time to deal with it you
can reply me this mail with a password, then i'll set that up for you. I
just didn't want to do it without your commitment.

Greetings Christian

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Re: [CinCVS] Wiki - HDV 1080i workflow

[muzzol]

- if the "wiki" is edited the way a "normal" wiki is, it will soon
  become a real mess. 


there are two roles in a wiki, the writers and the editors. its obvious 
what is the task of each one. that doesn't mean that you allow to modify 
to everyone, but the main goal of a wiki is simplify all the process of 
editing docs.


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Re: [CinCVS] Wiki - HDV 1080i workflow

[Nicolas Maufrais]

Marcin,

I moved, after having modified it, the contents of that page to the
manual.

I know you would like a page dedicated to the HDV workflow, but thanks
for understanding the following points:
- if the "wiki" is edited the way a "normal" wiki is, it will soon
  become a real mess. The wiki is there to allow people to edit the
  manual.
- arranging the information in a good way (ie. copy it in the manual)
  is a real pain.
- a manual is 10 times better than a wiki, because it's easier to read.

I hope this doesn't hurt you. I *DO* appreciate you took time to wrote
that *interesting* HDV workflow. In the past, I already asked people for
such information. Thanks a lot.
But as the documentation maintainer, I have to make sure the
documentation is correctly laid out. This implies some constraints, such
as the edit I did.

I did not deleted the page you created. You can have a look at its
history to find the page as it was in the past. That can allow you to
compare it to what I copied in the manual here:
http://cvs.cinelerra.org/docs/wiki/doku.php?id=english_manual:cinelerra_cv_en_20#hdv_1080i_editing_using_proxy_files

Thank you very much for describing your HDV workflow.

Nicolas Maufrais.

On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 11:28:49PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Dear Cinelerra-users!
> 
> I described my 1080i workflow on new wiki. It is not perfect,
> but it works.
> Any comments are welcome.
> Please do not add optional ways - rather write your own workflow.
> 
> 1) I would propose not to remove it from main index,
>it is more visible there.
> 
> 2) I propose that other users write their workflows.
> For anything! Not HDV, but just anything from beginning to the end.
> E.g. slideshow. With all possible scripts.
> I would be VERY HELPFULL too see what really works with cinelerra,
> and how users are solving particular problems in cinelerra.
> 
>  (opposed to the description in manual "what is supposed to work")
> 
> 3) wiki is great place - thanks guys!
> 
> 
> The best
> 
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[CinCVS] [Bug 397] Configure missing nasm tool installed check, compile fails

[bugzilla-daemon]

http://bugs.cinelerra.org/show_bug.cgi?id=397





--- Comment #1 from [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2007-01-30 22:18 +2 ---
To clarify reprioritization from critical:

A '100% failure' bug like this is assigned Severity=minor and Priority=medium
which I reason we're not treating Severity literally; it will be treated as a
combined severity-plus-priority project development planning metric?  


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Re: [CinCVS] play / stop problem

[peter]

well thanks
it couldn't be simpler .. that was it, i have never noticed this button

should the option not be inversed -- switch on in stead of stop

when this is a known problem with alsa
why does the 'playback locks up' not switch on by default when one 
changes to alsa ?


thanks again

peter



try going to Settings --> Preferences --> Playback and click on the
"Stop playback locks up" checkbox (This checkbox is shown only if you
set ALSA as audio driver).

Ciao!
Raffaella

PS:
The sentence "Stop playback locks up" defines an option (checkbox). 
It makes me wonder:

1. When a software that locks up when playback is stopped can be
welcome. (is it really an option?)
2. If the sentence structure sounds weird (and thus not immediately
understandable) only to one Italian person.


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[CinCVS] [Bug 332] loading projects in OpenGL mode hangs cinelerra

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http://bugs.cinelerra.org/show_bug.cgi?id=332


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--- Comment #5 from [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2007-01-30 22:11 +2 ---
No news... closing.


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[CinCVS] [Bug 397] Configure missing nasm tool installed check, compile fails

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[CinCVS] [Bug 396] Configure missing XShm.h dependency causing compile to fail

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[CinCVS] [Bug 383] whole gui hangs immediately after start

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http://bugs.cinelerra.org/show_bug.cgi?id=383


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XCB is still work in progress. Let them fix their issues first.


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Re: [CinCVS] play / stop problem

[Johannes Sixt]

On Tuesday 30 January 2007 20:15, peter_westenberg wrote:
> whenever I hit the space / push the play button in both compositor and
> timeline, playing cannot be stopped ...
> any clues?

Preferences, Playback, Audio. "Stop playback locks up"

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Re: [CinCVS] Audio fader,

[Johannes Sixt]

On Tuesday 30 January 2007 10:25, Marcin Kostur wrote:
> Since 2.1 i audio level automation curve on timeline  movable in 50%-100%
> of track. I remember there was some soution to this - anybody can remind
> me?

In the status line, there are tumblers where you can change the limits. It 
says "Audio Fade:" here.

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[CinCVS] Usability issues

[Raffaella Traniello]

Ciao ciao!

Are usability issues "bugs"?
Do they have a place in Bugzilla?

If not, do they have a place?

Grazie
Raffaella


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Re: [CinCVS] play / stop problem

[Raffaella Traniello]

On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 20:15 +0100, peter_westenberg wrote:
> whenever I hit the space / push the play button in both compositor and 
> timeline, playing cannot be stopped ...

Peter, 
try going to Settings --> Preferences --> Playback and click on the
"Stop playback locks up" checkbox (This checkbox is shown only if you
set ALSA as audio driver).

Ciao!
Raffaella

PS:
The sentence "Stop playback locks up" defines an option (checkbox). 
It makes me wonder:
1. When a software that locks up when playback is stopped can be
welcome. (is it really an option?)
2. If the sentence structure sounds weird (and thus not immediately
understandable) only to one Italian person.


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[CinCVS] showing compositor on another machine

[Edouard Chalaron]

Hi there

It is probably more sys admin than anything else :

I have 4 machines (A,B,C,D) working with cinelerra, however I only own
one video control monitor hooked on machine A.
Is there a way I can send the compositor display on this machine.
I know there is an option in Preferences / PLayback but I have no idea
how to use it.
Thanks a lot
E.

Re: [CinCVS] Re: dependency issue in edgy package?

[Kurt Georg Hooss]

erm... yes! i tried now again (after thomas' weirdest way)
and yes, same result, although it took some seconds,
so i guess it did some lookup... don't know.

my machine is not-so-fresh, as you say,
but all the cinelerra-related stuff is fresh, maybe that's why?
anyhow i am happy with thomas' weird solution, it works.

thanks both
georg


On Tuesday, 30. January 2007 21:17, muzzol wrote:
> En/na Kurt Georg Hooss ha escrit:
> > o.k. i purged cinelerra, libmpeg3hv, and libquicktimehv
> > and then reinstalled all of them again. same result as before.
> > (or could you be more specific about "any package related to cinelerra").
> >
> > second, i did as you suggested. the output comes here
> >  (as you see, "search" did not return anything):
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/kurt# apt-file update
> > Server file no newer than local file `/var/cache/apt/Contents-i386.gz' --
> > not retrieving.
>
> were you connected to internet? apt-file needs to retreive its database
> as apt-get does.
>
> i also gets no output on my fresh machine but i suspect you should get
> some package name on your not-so-fresh machine.

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Re: [CinCVS] Re: dependency issue in edgy package ? Seems work now (?)...

[Andraž Tori]

On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 21:24 +0100, muzzol wrote:
> En/na Kurt Georg Hooss ha escrit:
> > incredible but yes it works here too.
> > i followed thomas' 4 steps and yesss! there it goes.
> > thanks a lot. the world is wonderful.
> >
> 
> we should add a section to wiki called: "weirdest ways to get cinelerra 
> running"

or just add right conflicts and dependencies...


bye
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Re: [CinCVS] Re: dependency issue in edgy package ? Seems work now (?)...

[muzzol]

En/na Kurt Georg Hooss ha escrit:

incredible but yes it works here too.
i followed thomas' 4 steps and yesss! there it goes.
thanks a lot. the world is wonderful.



we should add a section to wiki called: "weirdest ways to get cinelerra 
running"



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Re: [CinCVS] Re: dependency issue in edgy package ? Seems work now (?)...

[muzzol]

En/na Thomas Guilleminot ha escrit:

I performed a lot of tests and by chance it seems work now !

I did : 1. Uninstall ALL stuff depending from libfaad (cinelerra, 
avidemux, ffmpeg...)
2. Install libfaad0_2.5-2_i386.deb and faad_2.5-2_i386.deb from 
http://mirrors.ircam.fr/pub/debian/pool/main/f/faad2/?C=N;O=A

3. Removed them (!)
4. Reinstall Cinelerra and all dependencies from repositories

It works but please don't ask me why ! ;o)
Tom



why?

i couldn't resist... :)

im glad to see that is not really a problem of packaging but a extrange 
conflict with libquicktime versions.




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Re: [CinCVS] Re: dependency issue in edgy package ? Seems work now (?)...

[Kurt Georg Hooss]

incredible but yes it works here too.
i followed thomas' 4 steps and yesss! there it goes.
thanks a lot. the world is wonderful.

cheers :-)
georg


On Tuesday, 30. January 2007 20:10, Thomas Guilleminot wrote:
> I performed a lot of tests and by chance it seems work now !
>
> I did :
> 1. Uninstall ALL stuff depending from libfaad (cinelerra, avidemux,
> ffmpeg...)
> 2. Install libfaad0_2.5-2_i386.deb and faad_2.5-2_i386.deb from
> http://mirrors.ircam.fr/pub/debian/pool/main/f/faad2/?C=N;O=A
> 3. Removed them (!)
> 4. Reinstall Cinelerra and all dependencies from repositories
>
> It works but please don't ask me why ! ;o)
> Tom
>
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Re: [CinCVS] Re: dependency issue in edgy package?

[muzzol]

En/na Kurt Georg Hooss ha escrit:

o.k. i purged cinelerra, libmpeg3hv, and libquicktimehv
and then reinstalled all of them again. same result as before.
(or could you be more specific about "any package related to cinelerra").

second, i did as you suggested. the output comes here
 (as you see, "search" did not return anything):

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/kurt# apt-file update
Server file no newer than local file `/var/cache/apt/Contents-i386.gz' -- not 
retrieving.




were you connected to internet? apt-file needs to retreive its database 
as apt-get does.


i also gets no output on my fresh machine but i suspect you should get 
some package name on your not-so-fresh machine.


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[CinCVS] play / stop problem

[peter_westenberg]

hi muzzol ---

I encounter a problem in the cinelerra from your ubuntu package

whenever I hit the space / push the play button in both compositor and 
timeline, playing cannot be stopped ...

any clues?

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[CinCVS] Re: dependency issue in edgy package ? Seems work now (?)...

[Thomas Guilleminot]

I performed a lot of tests and by chance it seems work now !

I did : 
1. Uninstall ALL stuff depending from libfaad (cinelerra, avidemux, 
ffmpeg...)
2. Install libfaad0_2.5-2_i386.deb and faad_2.5-2_i386.deb from 
http://mirrors.ircam.fr/pub/debian/pool/main/f/faad2/?C=N;O=A

3. Removed them (!)
4. Reinstall Cinelerra and all dependencies from repositories

It works but please don't ask me why ! ;o)
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Re: [CinCVS] Re: dependency issue in edgy package?

[Kurt Georg Hooss]

o.k. i purged cinelerra, libmpeg3hv, and libquicktimehv
and then reinstalled all of them again. same result as before.
(or could you be more specific about "any package related to cinelerra").

second, i did as you suggested. the output comes here
 (as you see, "search" did not return anything):

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/kurt# apt-file update
Server file no newer than local file `/var/cache/apt/Contents-i386.gz' -- not 
retrieving.



Server file no newer than local file `/var/cache/apt/Contents-i386.gz' -- not 
retrieving.

Server file no newer than local file `/var/cache/apt/Contents-i386.gz' -- not 
retrieving.




[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/kurt# apt-file search /usr/lib/libquicktimehv-1.6.0.so.1
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/kurt# 







On Tuesday, 30. January 2007 17:25, muzzol wrote:
> 2007/1/30, Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have same problem but only on 1 PC :
> > o I installed a fresh Edgy (Xubuntu) on a PC and Cinelerra works fine
> > o I upgraded another PC from Dapper to Edgy and I also get "cinelerra:
> > symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libquicktimehv-1.6.0.so.1:> > > undefined
> > symbol: faacDecOpen"
> > Reinstall of packages did not help anything.
>
> please do this steps in both machines:
>
> - install apt-file package (apt-get install apt-file)
> then
> - apt-file update
> - apt-file search /usr/lib/libquicktimehv-1.6.0.so.1
>
> and paste output here.
>
> thanks.

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[CinCVS] Re: dependency issue in edgy package?

[Thomas Guilleminot]

apt-file search does not return anything on both machines :
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-file search /usr/lib/libquicktimehv-1.6.0.so.1
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$

Did I miss something ?
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Re: [CinCVS] Cinelerra flash and video training demos?

[Herman Robak]

On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 05:56 +0100, Terje J. Hanssen wrote:
> Hi Stian,
> 
> Stian =?iso-8859-15?q?R=F8dven_Eide?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...
> > Upon searching for the website I also found a tutorial on the Fedora
> > Wiki:=
> > =20
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting
> 
> Interesting. The big question is if Ogg Thera video format is cross OS
> platform and video players compatible?

 Most non-Linux users would need to install a player.


> While Flash isn't an open standard it is widely used on the web.
> However, that x86_64 plugins still lacks is a more serious problem, as I
> understand Cinelerra works best on this architecture which also sounds
> to be a requirement for editing HDV.

 A powerful Xeon would do, too.  I tried editing HDV in Cinelerra with a
single-CPU 3.4 GHz Xeon in 2005, and it worked quite well.  Cinelerra
could maintain a full framerate during playback on that machine.

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Re: [CinCVS] Obsolete Fedora packages on the 'Packages' page

[Nicolas Maufrais]

On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 05:39:24PM +0200, Mikko Huhtala wrote:
> 
> The packages page
> 
>http://cvs.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php
> 
> links to Fedora packages, but those are of version 1.2.3 and its
> dependencies.
> 
> The Freshrpms repository currently has Cinelerra 2.1-0.12.20070108 for
> Fedora 6. The Fedora 5 package is also of the 2.1 series, if not the
> same as that for Fedora 6. Maybe the web page should be updated?
> 
Hello,

Please edit the wiki section about installing Cinelerra on Redhat:
http://cvs.cinelerra.org/docs/wiki/doku.php?id=english_manual:cinelerra_cv_en_2#redhat

I'll then update the getting_cinelerra.php page with that contents.

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Re: [CinCVS] Re: dependency issue in edgy package?

[muzzol]

2007/1/30, Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

Hi,

I have same problem but only on 1 PC :
o I installed a fresh Edgy (Xubuntu) on a PC and Cinelerra works fine
o I upgraded another PC from Dapper to Edgy and I also get "cinelerra:
symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libquicktimehv-1.6.0.so.1:> > > undefined
symbol: faacDecOpen"
Reinstall of packages did not help anything.



please do this steps in both machines:

- install apt-file package (apt-get install apt-file)
then
- apt-file update
- apt-file search /usr/lib/libquicktimehv-1.6.0.so.1

and paste output here.

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Re: [CinCVS] OMF support

[Matt Pfingsten]

OMF stands for Open Media Framework. It is an EDL interchange format
invented by Avid in the mid-90's. It's considered a defacto standard in the
industry. Its my understanding that in spite of this it has always been
plagued with compatibility woes due to several factors:
1) It's an extremely complex format
2) It's not a very strict specification
3) Avid frequently updates the format in order to 'encourage' the users of
its products to upgrade their Avid editors and ProTools software (Avid owns
DigiDesign) and to give themselves an extra advantage over competing DAW's
which have to update their software in order to accept OMF's from the new
Avid software.

There are many other EDL formats besides OMF such as AAF and Apple's new XML
Interchange Format. AAF is probably supported by whatever DAW your co-worker
is using.

At the moment Cinelerra doesn't export to any EDL format besides CMX3600 and
then only at 25fps. There is a project on SourceForge that can convert a
CMX3600 EDL into an AAF file:


Perhaps that could work. Let us know how you end up solving this issue.

On 1/30/07, roberto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi all, first I like to thank you all for your work that make this
powerfull piece of software possible.
Now I am working in a TV show as a camera man and editor, but the
sound-postprod guy need that I send to him a OMF file, to do his job,
and right now I can't do it
There is a way, a trick or a hack or a right way, to generate a OMF
file? Now we are making the first of 8 shows, so this problem will be
around for a while.
Thanks, Roberto, from Chile.
(I am using Ubuntu Dapper with Cin 2.1)


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[CinCVS] Re: dependency issue in edgy package?

[Tom]

Hi,

I have same problem but only on 1 PC :
o I installed a fresh Edgy (Xubuntu) on a PC and Cinelerra works fine
o I upgraded another PC from Dapper to Edgy and I also get "cinelerra:
symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libquicktimehv-1.6.0.so.1:> > > undefined
symbol: faacDecOpen"
Reinstall of packages did not help anything.

??? :o(
Tom


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Re: [CinCVS] dependency issue in edgy package?

[muzzol]

did any of you have installed any previous version of cinelerra?

maybe there's you need some purge. try to

apt-get remove --purge 

of any package related to cinelerra and then reinstall them.

regards.

2007/1/30, Raffaella Traniello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

Hi Georg!

I welcomed your message twice (this one only).

It's nice to see I'm not the only one persecuted by machines!  :-)

Cheer up!

Ciao
Raffaella




On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 12:32 +0100, Kurt Georg Hooss wrote:
> i have libfaac0 installed, version 1.24clean-0ubuntu4
> i have also re-installed it now with synaptic, but no change :-(
> thanks, georg
>
>
> On Monday, 29. January 2007 13:56, muzzol wrote:
> > En/na Kurt Georg Hooss ha escrit:
> > > hi, here i go again...
> > > installed muzzol's new packages for cinelerra, quicktimehv,
> > > and libmpeg3hv, on a p4 laptop running edgy.
> > > all went fine, but then i could not start cinelerra,
> > > instead i got the following error on the command line:
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cinelerra
> > > cinelerra: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libquicktimehv-1.6.0.so.1:
> > > undefined symbol: faacDecOpen
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$
> > >
> > > any hint?
> >
> > is the second person having this problem. can you please try to install
> > this package?
> >
> > libfaac0
> >
> > and tell us if problem is gone.
> >
> > > p.s. please tell me if there are again multiple copies of this mailing.
> > > after some server downtime at my provider's, i have checked
> > >  by mailing to various friends (and even to one list member, ed colmar).
> > > they all replied that they got my mail only once.
> > > so i hope it should be o.k. now, sorry for the inconvenience.
> > > g.
> >
> > just one mail around here.
> >
> > regards
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[CinCVS] Obsolete Fedora packages on the 'Packages' page

[Mikko Huhtala]

The packages page

   http://cvs.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php

links to Fedora packages, but those are of version 1.2.3 and its
dependencies.

The Freshrpms repository currently has Cinelerra 2.1-0.12.20070108 for
Fedora 6. The Fedora 5 package is also of the 2.1 series, if not the
same as that for Fedora 6. Maybe the web page should be updated?

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Re: [CinCVS] dependency issue in edgy package?

[Raffaella Traniello]

Hi Georg!

I welcomed your message twice (this one only).

It's nice to see I'm not the only one persecuted by machines!  :-)

Cheer up!

Ciao
Raffaella




On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 12:32 +0100, Kurt Georg Hooss wrote:
> i have libfaac0 installed, version 1.24clean-0ubuntu4
> i have also re-installed it now with synaptic, but no change :-(
> thanks, georg
> 
> 
> On Monday, 29. January 2007 13:56, muzzol wrote:
> > En/na Kurt Georg Hooss ha escrit:
> > > hi, here i go again...
> > > installed muzzol's new packages for cinelerra, quicktimehv,
> > > and libmpeg3hv, on a p4 laptop running edgy.
> > > all went fine, but then i could not start cinelerra,
> > > instead i got the following error on the command line:
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cinelerra
> > > cinelerra: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libquicktimehv-1.6.0.so.1:
> > > undefined symbol: faacDecOpen
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$
> > >
> > > any hint?
> >
> > is the second person having this problem. can you please try to install
> > this package?
> >
> > libfaac0
> >
> > and tell us if problem is gone.
> >
> > > p.s. please tell me if there are again multiple copies of this mailing.
> > > after some server downtime at my provider's, i have checked
> > >  by mailing to various friends (and even to one list member, ed colmar).
> > > they all replied that they got my mail only once.
> > > so i hope it should be o.k. now, sorry for the inconvenience.
> > > g.
> >
> > just one mail around here.
> >
> > regards
> 


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Re: [CinCVS] dependency issue in edgy package?

[muzzol]

strangest thing is that only few people are having this issue.

En/na Kurt Georg Hooss ha escrit:

even more strange:
i have now reinstalled cinelerra, libquicktimehv, and libmpeg3hv
 from valentina's repository (1:2.1.0-2svn20070109)
and alas! the problem persists! again the error:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cinelerra
cinelerra: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libquicktimehv-1.6.0.so.1: undefined 
symbol: faacDecOpen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ 


apparently, this is a problem outside the cinelerra code
but still it means i cannot run either muzzol's or valentina's package... :-(
again, any ideas?
thanks...
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[CinCVS] OMF support

[roberto]

Hi all, first I like to thank you all for your work that make this
powerfull piece of software possible. 
Now I am working in a TV show as a camera man and editor, but the
sound-postprod guy need that I send to him a OMF file, to do his job,
and right now I can't do it 
There is a way, a trick or a hack or a right way, to generate a OMF
file? Now we are making the first of 8 shows, so this problem will be
around for a while.
Thanks, Roberto, from Chile.
(I am using Ubuntu Dapper with Cin 2.1) 


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Re: [CinCVS] dependency issue in edgy package?

[Kurt Georg Hooss]

even more strange:
i have now reinstalled cinelerra, libquicktimehv, and libmpeg3hv
 from valentina's repository (1:2.1.0-2svn20070109)
and alas! the problem persists! again the error:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cinelerra
cinelerra: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libquicktimehv-1.6.0.so.1: undefined 
symbol: faacDecOpen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ 

apparently, this is a problem outside the cinelerra code
but still it means i cannot run either muzzol's or valentina's package... :-(
again, any ideas?
thanks...
georg


On Tuesday, 30. January 2007 12:32, you wrote:
> i have libfaac0 installed, version 1.24clean-0ubuntu4
> i have also re-installed it now with synaptic, but no change :-(
> thanks, georg
>
> On Monday, 29. January 2007 13:56, muzzol wrote:
> > En/na Kurt Georg Hooss ha escrit:
> > > hi, here i go again...
> > > installed muzzol's new packages for cinelerra, quicktimehv,
> > > and libmpeg3hv, on a p4 laptop running edgy.
> > > all went fine, but then i could not start cinelerra,
> > > instead i got the following error on the command line:
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cinelerra
> > > cinelerra: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libquicktimehv-1.6.0.so.1:
> > > undefined symbol: faacDecOpen
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$
> > >
> > > any hint?
> >
> > is the second person having this problem. can you please try to install
> > this package?
> >
> > libfaac0
> >
> > and tell us if problem is gone.
> >
> > > p.s. please tell me if there are again multiple copies of this mailing.
> > > after some server downtime at my provider's, i have checked
> > >  by mailing to various friends (and even to one list member, ed
> > > colmar). they all replied that they got my mail only once.
> > > so i hope it should be o.k. now, sorry for the inconvenience.
> > > g.
> >
> > just one mail around here.
> >
> > regards

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Re: [CinCVS] Video transition not working?

[mark stavar]

I have found a similar problem with DV.  I would play through transitions
and they won't work.

Then I stumbled on a note somewhere about "slow" effects and turning off
"playback" where repositioning the cursor.  So I tried that.

1. Turn off playback for the track with the transition (the little right
arrow/triangle in the pathch bay)
2. Position the cursor at the start of the track
3. Toggle playback back on
4. Press "Play" (Space bar or button) and the transition effect then works.


But I pretty much have to do that every time I want to go back to the start
of the track.  Very poor for workflow I am afraid.

Hope this is useful.

Ciao,

marks

On 1/30/07, Marcin Kostur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Once more a harassment,

Di you ever noticed strange behavior of video fade level.
When working with mjpegs  (HDV proxy), basically when in all alpha
color models "dissolve" does not work properly.

I will file it as a bug with sample project (ASAP), but just was wandering
if anybody encountered it.

the best

Marcin

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Re: [CinCVS] HDV to DVD (interlaced and PAL)

[Scott C. Frase]

Marcin,
My Beginner's Guide only shows progressive..sorry!
scott

On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 10:23 +0100, Marcin Kostur wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I still do not have any good prescription how to optimally
>   make nice interlaced DVD from HDV 1080i material.
> 
> Anybody had  "one liner"?
> 
> Marcin
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Re: [CinCVS] Cinelerra flash and video training demos?

[Stian Rødven Eide]

> Interesting. The big question is if Ogg Thera video format is cross OS
> platform and video players compatible?

Support for Ogg Theora on the proprietary platforms is easily installable 
using either DirectShow filters available at http://www.illiminable.com/ogg/ 
or the Quicktime Component available at http://www.xiph.org/quicktime/

Also, VideoLan supports Theora natively regardless of platform and can be 
found on http://www.videolan.org/


peace,
Stian

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Re: [CinCVS] dependency issue in edgy package?

[Kurt Georg Hooss]

i have libfaac0 installed, version 1.24clean-0ubuntu4
i have also re-installed it now with synaptic, but no change :-(
thanks, georg


On Monday, 29. January 2007 13:56, muzzol wrote:
> En/na Kurt Georg Hooss ha escrit:
> > hi, here i go again...
> > installed muzzol's new packages for cinelerra, quicktimehv,
> > and libmpeg3hv, on a p4 laptop running edgy.
> > all went fine, but then i could not start cinelerra,
> > instead i got the following error on the command line:
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cinelerra
> > cinelerra: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libquicktimehv-1.6.0.so.1:
> > undefined symbol: faacDecOpen
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$
> >
> > any hint?
>
> is the second person having this problem. can you please try to install
> this package?
>
> libfaac0
>
> and tell us if problem is gone.
>
> > p.s. please tell me if there are again multiple copies of this mailing.
> > after some server downtime at my provider's, i have checked
> >  by mailing to various friends (and even to one list member, ed colmar).
> > they all replied that they got my mail only once.
> > so i hope it should be o.k. now, sorry for the inconvenience.
> > g.
>
> just one mail around here.
>
> regards

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[CinCVS] Audio fader,

[Marcin Kostur]

Dear users,

Since 2.1 i audio level automation curve on timeline  movable in 50%-100%
of track. I remember there was some soution to this - anybody can remind 
me?


Marcin

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[CinCVS] Video transition not working?

[Marcin Kostur]

Once more a harassment,

Di you ever noticed strange behavior of video fade level.
When working with mjpegs  (HDV proxy), basically when in all alpha
color models "dissolve" does not work properly.

I will file it as a bug with sample project (ASAP), but just was wandering
if anybody encountered it.

the best

Marcin

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[CinCVS] HDV to DVD (interlaced and PAL)

[Marcin Kostur]

Hi,

I still do not have any good prescription how to optimally
 make nice interlaced DVD from HDV 1080i material.

Anybody had  "one liner"?

Marcin

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[CinCVS] 2x wiki?

[Marcin Kostur]

We have both working:

http://cvs.cinelerra.org/docs/wiki/doku.php
http://manual.cinelerra.org (e.g. linked from wikipedia)

Shall we not redirect the 2nd to the first?

Marcin






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Re: [CinCVS] Cinelerra flash and video training demos?

[muzzol]

Interesting. The big question is if Ogg Thera video format is cross OS
platform and video players compatible?



i dont see this queston so big as long as there's only linux version
of cinelerra.


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