Re: CCIE Lab Report - unsuccesful
Chuck, I am truly sorry, and I am also supremely confident that you will someday be Chuck, CCIE. You have been an example to the group both in sharing your preparation methods, and, equally important, your philosophical/emotional approach. Unfortunately, Dilbert's management sometimes wins. That isn't to say, in this case, that the lab wasn't tough but fair. But...things happen. Howard _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Catalyst 2800
Hello all, For study purposes, I've given a Catalyst 2800, with a couple more to follow. The problem is, no one has any idea of the configuration. I don't have a serial cable, though can order one if need be. Can I interface on port 25 for management purposes? Straight or cross-over cable? And where am I to go from there? Do I get a sniffer so I can discover the IP and then telnet or hyperterminal in? Would like to experiment with VLANs but have to get the door open. Any advice greatly appreciated. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab Report - unsuccesful
Chuck - as a 2-time failer, I can empathize with you. You sound like a real trooper, and I'm very confident that *your* next time through will be passing with flying colors. Your #3 is extremely critical for anyone who takes the exam. There are moments (usually in the beginning of the test) where one asks themself "WTF?", and if they stay there for too long, all the blood leaves the brain. Therefore, that 15-25 minutes that you'd spend with methodology and keeping with a plan is oh-so-critical. Thanks very much for sharing your experience with us - hopefully, the other CCIE lab hopefuls will be encouraged and keep studying hard for the lab. -e- - Original Message - From: Chuck Larrieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cisco Mail List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 6:34 PM Subject: CCIE Lab Report - unsuccesful Hey, everyone, how you all been? The short story is I did not make it to day 2. The rest of this is a bit long winded, and easily skipped. First of all, I was quite pleased to find upon reading through my Day 1 scenario that there was nothing I couldn't do, given time. There are plenty of practice labs from several different sources which cover all the core topics, so there were no surprises for me. Secondly, I was quite pleased when during my review of Day 1 results with the proctor, he told me they were going to change the written instruction on a particular section because of the solution I used. I'm actually quite surprised it hasn't been done before. I was grudgingly given points, although I was told my solution was definitely not what they had in mind. However, in the end, it was a few simple omissions that cost me the points I would have needed to squeak into Day 2. Only one of the six of us who began together was invited to the second day. Things I learned: 1) having the core topics down cold is CRUCIAL. No kidding! 2) Time is crucial, but not, I believe, in the way I have seen it discussed in many places. I highly doubt that typing 80 words a minute versus my 20 WPM was the difference. Not when I spent as much time as I did contemplating. You can't think it. You have to know it. By 2:00 p.m. I knew I didn't have a prayer of hitting all the requirements. At that point I started counting points, putting myself in a defensive mode. By quitting time, if I got full credit for everything I thought I deserved, I would have had 31 points. As I found out in my review, I missed a few simple things, and blew myself out of the water. This leads back to the internalization of the core topics. You can't be thinking about how to configure anything. You have to just bang them out, the same way you bang out shaving or washing your hands or eating your lunch. 3) Methodology is crucial. You have to have a good methodology that is internalized and is habitual. You can't be thinking "what's next?" I don't believe it matters what your methodology is, so long as you are consistent and quick. My own methodology failed me because I was constantly adjusting, rather than banging it out. 4) I spent a good two hours last night in my hotel room debriefing myself. I have six pages of notes regarding my day one experience. This will form the basis of my study plan for my second attempt. I know that it is highly unlikely I will have a scenario like the one I just worked on next time through. But I will focus on methodology and speed. 5) Good rapport with the proctor is helpful. I was able to get the information I needed by carefully wording my questions and making sure that my desired result was understood. The proctor is under a bit of stress himself, with so many folks vying for his attention. He may think you are asking something you are not. I made sure that if I was not getting an answer that made sense that I clarified my request, so that the answer was one that helped me understand. I will say also that the test I saw was reasonably clear. The questions I had tended to be the result of outputs from various show and debug commands, to clarify what the expectation was. A few other comments: I was far too aggressive in scheduling my lab date. Should have pushed it out 60 days. Don't be in a hurry. Those without a lot of hands on need to spend several months of several hours a day practicing. No two ways about it. There has been a lot of discussion about the patch panels used in the lab. All I can say is that the panels are clearly labeled. IMHO you have nothing to worry about. That said, I did have to revisit the rack twice, in order to make a cabling change. This was purely the result of a chicken or egg situation, and not due to any difficulty with the rack itself. People with home labs know well the issue with hooking up routers back to back. I sat next to a guy this morning ( a day 1 candidate ) who was getting up every few minutes and going to the back of the rack to move cables around. Completely unnecessary
Re: SSRP question
CCO is a good resource for this - my search turned up these documents: Sample SSRP Configuration: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/121/ssrpconfig.html Configuring LAN Emulation-the section on Configure Fault Tolerant Operation http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios120/12cgcr/switc h_c/xcprt7/xclane.htm LAN Emulation and MPOA-the section on SSRP for Fault-Tolerant Operation of LANE Server Components http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/atm/c8540/12_0/13_19/atg/lan e.htm and one of my favorites for overall SSRP/LANE implementation comes from the Internetwork Design Guide-Designing ATM Internetworks http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/idg4/nd2008.htm My local SE gave me a great PowerPoint presentation on SSRP during an implementation a few years ago. If I can still find it (it's hardcopy), I'll scan it and send it to you offline. For the FastEtherchannel at 800 Mbps (8 100M trunks is a lot of ports to be using between switches) being Gigabit, it isn't. Gigabit is 1000Mbps. - Original Message - From: Omer Ehsan Dar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cisco GroupStudy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 11:08 PM Subject: SSRP question Hi all, I wanted to read up on SSSRP I could only find some stuff in Network Case studies but nothing except the word occuring in a couple of instances in Caslow or giles. Can somebody recommend some other source. Alos what would you term fast etherchannel as gigabit or not it is 800 Megs? thanks Omer _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Solaris
Hi All you gurus, I am about to take the exams of Solaris 8 System Administration I 11.Do anyone have or know of anything site where there is Questions and Answers.Thanks for your help. Regards, Muhammad CCNA,CCNP _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Venting about another employee [was Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX - Senior Citizen Reply]
What he said. :) I was about to fire off a missive, when I noticed that everything that I wanted to say was contained herein(after, as well :), hereinafter referred to as "content", said content solely the property of Greg, hereinafter referred to, both on and off the "list" (see section 6.2.1, subsection 3.b, paragraph 1) as "Old Guy", said content being wholly derived, thunk up, and maintained by Old Guy. All rights to content remain with Old Guy, with no liability incurred by Old Guy for any misuse, misunderstanding, or misrepresentation of said content. - Tks| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] BV | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sr. Technical Consultant, SBM, A Gates/Arrow Co. Vox 770-623-3430 11455 Lakefield Dr. Fax 770-623-3429 Duluth, GA 30097-1511 = -Original Message- From: Greg Macaulay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 9:30 AM To: The.Rock; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX - Senior Citizen Reply "certs don't prove anything" ??? I'm not sure that I can agree with that statement. Certs IMHO represent an interest by the individual in the subject matter, and a determined effort to undertake studies necessary to become more knowledgeable. Certainly, obtaining a cert. does not make one a guru. But it usually (albeit not all the time) indicates a person who has shown some willingness to learn. I view the knowledge I gained by studying for my certs as a foundation to be built upon over the coming years. Perhaps I have only a passing or introductory knowledge of some subjects at this juncture -- but I assume -- and I certainly hope that as every year passes, I will build upon that foundation knowledge and at some point I will undergo a slow, but steady metamorphosis into a guru of sorts! But at this juncture with my certs, I would certainly agree that I have just enough knowledge to be dangerous! smile I would compare the cert study to obtaining academic and professional degrees. Certainly upon graduation, grads are not experts in any area, but they possess the fundamentals upon which to build. A lawyer, for example, may indeed represent any survivors of a plane crash is his/her back yard on the day he/she is admitted to the Bar, but law school graduation and passing a Bar Examination DOES NOT indicate an expertise -- but it does indicate the individual has the foundational knowledge and the potential to become an expert at some point in the future. I would submit that the same goes for physicians, accountants, architects, etc. I think that the real problem is how these certs. have been marketed. Instead of promising IMMEDIATE big bucks, the certs, should be an entry ticket into this career. Individuals who possess these certs should be respected for the time, effort and interest they have shown in studying for and obtaining a cert. But whether they are PAPER CERTS is truly a mischaracterization. As I put forth above, every academic or professional degree is indeed initially a paper cert -- but with potential. IT folks who obtain these certs by and large have the potential to succeed. Just as there are bright, average and incompetent lawyers, doctors and others, the same would hold true in our field. Some individuals in inately intuitive, without certs, and others -- the majority -- will become the average IT Joe/Jane who work day-to-day in this field. Certainly there will always be the small numbers who are totally incompetent. But it is not because the certs are merely paper. That's my 2 cents. Greg Macaulay, CCNP, CCDP, MCSE Attorney/Law Professor (Retired) Lifetime member of AARP Oldest CCNP/CCDP in existence _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Router config
this *will* originate a route of 192.168.1.0/24 by injecting the static into RIP, but to properly summarise - ie only originate the aggregate address and not the more-specifics - you would need to filter the /30s associated with the serial interfaces with a distribute-list or route-map. Unfortunately RIP doesn't have the inbuilt summarization capabilities of OSPF or IS-IS. Andy "Ping" wrote: it is way to summarize.. that is what is being done by router rip network 192.168.1.0 redistribute static ! ip route 192.168.1.0 255.255.255.0 loopback 0 Hunt Lee wrote: I don't understand the following routing configs. I understand that redistribute static means it will redistribute static routes into RIP network, but that's all I could see. Can anybody please shed some light on this? interface Serial 0 ip address 192.168.1.1 255.255.255.252 ! interface Serial 1 ip address 192.168.1.5 255.255.255.252 ! interface Serial 2 ip address 192.168.1.9 255.255.255.252 ! interface Serial 3 ip address 192.168.1.13 255.255.255.252 ! interface Serial 4 ip address 192.168.1.17 255.255.255.252 ! router rip network 192.168.1.0 redistribute static ! ip route 192.168.1.0 255.255.255.0 loopback 0 Regards, Hunt Lee _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BSCN Exam
Hi All I will be taking my BSCN in 3 weeks times, so would like to know what should i study for? or is there any other materials i can get from the web. Thank, with regards Chan _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab Report - unsuccesful
Chuck, Sorry to hear about the outcome of your practical exam. Take solice in the fact that so many people have to retake it. It is a testament to the certification's value, and to the ability of those that make it. Persistance separates life's winners from life's losers. At some point, you'll get there, and the sense of satifsafaction will be delicious. :) Speaking of persistance, I know a guy that bills himself as "The World's Worst CCIE." He took six attempts to pass the written exam, and then took six trips to Raleigh for the practical. He was not being sponsored by his employer either... That's $7200.00 in various exam fees alone, not including travel costs. I worked with him on a project for several months, and he was no dummy. By my estimation, Murphy's law comes into play. A lab candidate will invariably draw the lab scenario for which he is least prepared. That's just how it seems to work out. I read your report more than once, and with great interest. Thanks for taking the time to provide your insight and observations. One of the frustrating things about preparing for this, particularly gearing up for the first attempt, is the uncertainty. For instance, I'm pretty good at DLSw. I've been fortunate enough to use it in a very large production environment. In my implementation, we used TCP encapsulation exclusively, with static peering. Is it enough that I know about the other means of encapsulation, or dynamic peering? My environment was SNA. I haven't used it with NetBIOS... Is the behavior identical? Can I skip preparing for DLSw because of my experience with it, or do I need to reserve some of my precious time for DLSw experimentation? Another example: I'm a whiz with Frame-Relay. Until a week ago, I was in the midst of a huge frame deployment, some 1500 sites. That said, it was a fairly vanilla environment. Nothing special about it. Looking for confidence, I was looking at the Frame Configuration Guide on CCO last night, with the expectation that I was gonna know most of it. It was a big mistake. There were so many commands that I had never used, nor did I know they even existed. I knew I'd want to revisit frame the old fashioned way (I've been using subinterface/point-to-point for so long, I hardly remember building frame-relay maps by hand), and revist split horizons, but geeze... I could spend from today until July (my 1st lab exam) covering these two topics, topics that I feel good about, and still not get close to what I'd consider "Full Mastery." Understand that I'm not a paper anything. I don't have my CCNA ot CCNP. I passed the written exam with virtually no studying, because I have been working with Cisco routers since '94, and because I have never been satisfied knowing how to do something without having a pretty good understanding of the how/why what I was doing worked. I came into this process with the expectation that because of my background, I'd have a more difficult time with the esoteric detail of the written exam than I would with the lab. I am a hands-on guy. Accounts, such as yours, are an invaluable resource to me, not because they remove the uncertainty, but I feel like they help me manage the uncertainty. I hear what I need to hear: If you're good at what you do and you prepare effectively, you can and will be successful. Thanks. Alan~ - Original Message - From: "Chuck Larrieu" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Cisco Mail List" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 9:34 PM Subject: CCIE Lab Report - unsuccesful _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Passes BSCN yesterday.
It wasn't that bad. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cisco IOS Documentation: How useful is it, really?
I'm interested in thoughts and opinions on the practical utility of the official Cisco IOS Configuration Guides and Command References available in print, on CCO, and on the documentation CD-ROMs that ship with Cisco products. There have been a number of allusions on and off this list to the importance (or even necessity) of studying the official docs if "you're serious about CCIE preparation." I even recall seeing some advice given by someone that one should read the entire set of configuration guides and command references before attempting the lab exam. How useful do you all find the IOS documentation, both with respect to CCIE study, and in general? Have you succeeded in using it to learn to configure services you were previously unfamiliar with, or is it just useful as a reference once you already mainly know what you're doing? Is it even useful as a reference? My own thoughts: I ask because I find the IOS documentation hard to digest at best, and actively confusing at worst. I use it frequently, but almost exclusively as a reference to look up command options and syntax details. Even then, half the time I find that there either isn't enough detail in the manual to answer the question I have, or there's so much detail that the information I'm looking for is buried in an avalanche of optional parameters and unrelated features. The idea of resorting to the IOS documentation to, say, learn how to set up async and ISDN interfaces using a combination of static and dynamic addressing to support user dialin and backup/DDR functions on an access server makes my blood run cold. It could be done - eventually - but it would require piecing the information together from eight different chapters, one of which would provide 200 pages of information just on PPP, another of which would provide 150 pages of information on ISDN signaling, and so on. I just can't imagine the official documentation as the preferred means to learn to do something new. Should you be familiar with the structure and contents? Of course. It's still the last word when it comes to resolving ambiguities or finding information on that one option you knew was there but couldn't remember the keyword for. Is it time well-spent to sit there and study these manuals as an attempt to increase your knowledge and proficiency? Not in my experience. That's not to say you won't learn anything by doing it - just that there are better ways to use your time. Comments encouraged! Maybe some of you have actually devised a way to triage the documentation and learn a lot from it despite the way it's organized. If so, I'd love to hear your strategies. -- _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CAT4003 Switch behaviour
Hello all, I have a cisco 4003 switch to which I plugged an Intrusion detection system which is running in promiscuous mode. what I was expecting to see is only broadcast traffic and I was planning to do port mirroring to monitor other network traffic.. The funny thing is that I could see all traffic moving back and forth between machines on all ports. (Looks like a Hub behavior). I plugged in a Sniffer Pro and I could see the same thing!!! Any comments would be appreciated -- Hussam N. Adili _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cisco IOS Documentation: How useful is it, really?
Hint - during my review with the proctor after my recent failed attempt, the proctor told me that in his opinion it was critical that one be familiar with the configuration guides, and that one have practiced using the configurations presented there. Several folks who passed the lab first time through have said similar things. FWIW Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Control Program Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 8:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Cisco IOS Documentation: How useful is it, really? I'm interested in thoughts and opinions on the practical utility of the official Cisco IOS Configuration Guides and Command References available in print, on CCO, and on the documentation CD-ROMs that ship with Cisco products. There have been a number of allusions on and off this list to the importance (or even necessity) of studying the official docs if "you're serious about CCIE preparation." I even recall seeing some advice given by someone that one should read the entire set of configuration guides and command references before attempting the lab exam. How useful do you all find the IOS documentation, both with respect to CCIE study, and in general? Have you succeeded in using it to learn to configure services you were previously unfamiliar with, or is it just useful as a reference once you already mainly know what you're doing? Is it even useful as a reference? My own thoughts: I ask because I find the IOS documentation hard to digest at best, and actively confusing at worst. I use it frequently, but almost exclusively as a reference to look up command options and syntax details. Even then, half the time I find that there either isn't enough detail in the manual to answer the question I have, or there's so much detail that the information I'm looking for is buried in an avalanche of optional parameters and unrelated features. The idea of resorting to the IOS documentation to, say, learn how to set up async and ISDN interfaces using a combination of static and dynamic addressing to support user dialin and backup/DDR functions on an access server makes my blood run cold. It could be done - eventually - but it would require piecing the information together from eight different chapters, one of which would provide 200 pages of information just on PPP, another of which would provide 150 pages of information on ISDN signaling, and so on. I just can't imagine the official documentation as the preferred means to learn to do something new. Should you be familiar with the structure and contents? Of course. It's still the last word when it comes to resolving ambiguities or finding information on that one option you knew was there but couldn't remember the keyword for. Is it time well-spent to sit there and study these manuals as an attempt to increase your knowledge and proficiency? Not in my experience. That's not to say you won't learn anything by doing it - just that there are better ways to use your time. Comments encouraged! Maybe some of you have actually devised a way to triage the documentation and learn a lot from it despite the way it's organized. If so, I'd love to hear your strategies. -- _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Router config
It's not clear to me what problem this configuration will solve. RIP summarizes at classful boundaries anyway, so the 192.168.1.0/24 network would be advertised to any other network (assuming auto-summary is not disabled). This configuration would advertise the /24 supernet inside 192.168.1.0/24, but without any more information, how is that useful to anyone? Hope I'm not venting too much, but there are lots of posts of single router configurations with questions "what does this do?" Try to put this in perspective -- a router, in and of itself, doesn't do anything very interesting. To understand the effects, I have to know more about the network into which the router is placed. I need to know addressing assumptions, and whether the router connects to other routers -- and what THEY do. this *will* originate a route of 192.168.1.0/24 by injecting the static into RIP, but to properly summarise - ie only originate the aggregate address and not the more-specifics - you would need to filter the /30s associated with the serial interfaces with a distribute-list or route-map. Unfortunately RIP doesn't have the inbuilt summarization capabilities of OSPF or IS-IS. Andy "Ping" wrote: it is way to summarize.. that is what is being done by router rip network 192.168.1.0 redistribute static ! ip route 192.168.1.0 255.255.255.0 loopback 0 Hunt Lee wrote: I don't understand the following routing configs. I understand that redistribute static means it will redistribute static routes into RIP network, but that's all I could see. Can anybody please shed some light on this? interface Serial 0 ip address 192.168.1.1 255.255.255.252 ! interface Serial 1 ip address 192.168.1.5 255.255.255.252 ! interface Serial 2 ip address 192.168.1.9 255.255.255.252 ! interface Serial 3 ip address 192.168.1.13 255.255.255.252 ! interface Serial 4 ip address 192.168.1.17 255.255.255.252 ! router rip network 192.168.1.0 redistribute static ! ip route 192.168.1.0 255.255.255.0 loopback 0 Regards, Hunt Lee _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Found Cool Site for Cisco lab rental
Hello, Found this great site for Cisco lab rental for telnet or walkin. http://www.voxcomm.com Also, selling Cisco gear at cost for training and study groups. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ccna/ccnp presentations
hi, can anyone tell me where can i get( buy) the power point presentations used for teaching ccnp and ccna in the class room. are the available to cisco training partners only.? regards, umer _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab Report - unsuccesful
Sorry about that Chuck...I dont know you but after reading this I can feel your pain. You will get it next time... Thanks for the info. :-) From: "Chuck Larrieu" Reply-To: "Chuck Larrieu" To: "Cisco Mail List" Subject: CCIE Lab Report - unsuccesful Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 18:34:20 -0700 Hey, everyone, how you all been? The short story is I did not make it to day 2. The rest of this is a bit long winded, and easily skipped. First of all, I was quite pleased to find upon reading through my Day 1 scenario that there was nothing I couldn't do, given time. There are plenty of practice labs from several different sources which cover all the core topics, so there were no surprises for me. Secondly, I was quite pleased when during my review of Day 1 results with the proctor, he told me they were going to change the written instruction on a particular section because of the solution I used. I'm actually quite surprised it hasn't been done before. I was grudgingly given points, although I was told my solution was definitely not what they had in mind. However, in the end, it was a few simple omissions that cost me the points I would have needed to squeak into Day 2. Only one of the six of us who began together was invited to the second day. Things I learned: 1) having the core topics down cold is CRUCIAL. No kidding! 2) Time is crucial, but not, I believe, in the way I have seen it discussed in many places. I highly doubt that typing 80 words a minute versus my 20 WPM was the difference. Not when I spent as much time as I did contemplating. You can't think it. You have to know it. By 2:00 p.m. I knew I didn't have a prayer of hitting all the requirements. At that point I started counting points, putting myself in a defensive mode. By quitting time, if I got full credit for everything I thought I deserved, I would have had 31 points. As I found out in my review, I missed a few simple things, and blew myself out of the water. This leads back to the internalization of the core topics. You can't be thinking about how to configure anything. You have to just bang them out, the same way you bang out shaving or washing your hands or eating your lunch. 3) Methodology is crucial. You have to have a good methodology that is internalized and is habitual. You can't be thinking "what's next?" I don't believe it matters what your methodology is, so long as you are consistent and quick. My own methodology failed me because I was constantly adjusting, rather than banging it out. 4) I spent a good two hours last night in my hotel room debriefing myself. I have six pages of notes regarding my day one experience. This will form the basis of my study plan for my second attempt. I know that it is highly unlikely I will have a scenario like the one I just worked on next time through. But I will focus on methodology and speed. 5) Good rapport with the proctor is helpful. I was able to get the information I needed by carefully wording my questions and making sure that my desired result was understood. The proctor is under a bit of stress himself, with so many folks vying for his attention. He may think you are asking something you are not. I made sure that if I was not getting an answer that made sense that I clarified my request, so that the answer was one that helped me understand. I will say also that the test I saw was reasonably clear. The questions I had tended to be the result of outputs from various show and debug commands, to clarify what the expectation was. A few other comments: I was far too aggressive in scheduling my lab date. Should have pushed it out 60 days. Don't be in a hurry. Those without a lot of hands on need to spend several months of several hours a day practicing. No two ways about it. There has been a lot of discussion about the patch panels used in the lab. All I can say is that the panels are clearly labeled. IMHO you have nothing to worry about. That said, I did have to revisit the rack twice, in order to make a cabling change. This was purely the result of a chicken or egg situation, and not due to any difficulty with the rack itself. People with home labs know well the issue with hooking up routers back to back. I sat next to a guy this morning ( a day 1 candidate ) who was getting up every few minutes and going to the back of the rack to move cables around. Completely unnecessary and driving the proctor nuts. There is no need for any candidate to touch the back of the rack. You can't let little stuff stop you. Those with extensive hands on experience know that sometimes routers do funny things like boot into rommon or behave as if there is an extensive paste going on in the configuration dialogue. I have a router here at home that boots into rommon once in a while. A reload has always done the trick ( knock on wood ) sometimes leaning on control-C will stop a misbehaving configuration dialogue. No this is not NDA because I did not go to troubleshooting. I experienced one of these things as
RE: CCIE Lab Report - unsuccesful
Hi Chuck, Thanks for taking the time to narrate your candid and thorough post-lab experiences. The outcome should not discourage you as the whole group remains impressed with your wealth of knowledge, the desire to know more, and your fine power of expression. I have been there too, and finally sailed through. Believe me, the pleasure of conquering it would be immense. Just hang-in there without losing your sense of direction and you will succeed. Best of luck. Aziz S. Islam All the CCXX (Routing Switching) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chuck Larrieu Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 9:34 PM To: Cisco Mail List Subject: CCIE Lab Report - unsuccesful Hey, everyone, how you all been? The short story is I did not make it to day 2. The rest of this is a bit long winded, and easily skipped. First of all, I was quite pleased to find upon reading through my Day 1 scenario that there was nothing I couldn't do, given time. There are plenty of practice labs from several different sources which cover all the core topics, so there were no surprises for me. Secondly, I was quite pleased when during my review of Day 1 results with the proctor, he told me they were going to change the written instruction on a particular section because of the solution I used. I'm actually quite surprised it hasn't been done before. I was grudgingly given points, although I was told my solution was definitely not what they had in mind. However, in the end, it was a few simple omissions that cost me the points I would have needed to squeak into Day 2. Only one of the six of us who began together was invited to the second day. Things I learned: 1) having the core topics down cold is CRUCIAL. No kidding! 2) Time is crucial, but not, I believe, in the way I have seen it discussed in many places. I highly doubt that typing 80 words a minute versus my 20 WPM was the difference. Not when I spent as much time as I did contemplating. You can't think it. You have to know it. By 2:00 p.m. I knew I didn't have a prayer of hitting all the requirements. At that point I started counting points, putting myself in a defensive mode. By quitting time, if I got full credit for everything I thought I deserved, I would have had 31 points. As I found out in my review, I missed a few simple things, and blew myself out of the water. This leads back to the internalization of the core topics. You can't be thinking about how to configure anything. You have to just bang them out, the same way you bang out shaving or washing your hands or eating your lunch. 3) Methodology is crucial. You have to have a good methodology that is internalized and is habitual. You can't be thinking "what's next?" I don't believe it matters what your methodology is, so long as you are consistent and quick. My own methodology failed me because I was constantly adjusting, rather than banging it out. 4) I spent a good two hours last night in my hotel room debriefing myself. I have six pages of notes regarding my day one experience. This will form the basis of my study plan for my second attempt. I know that it is highly unlikely I will have a scenario like the one I just worked on next time through. But I will focus on methodology and speed. 5) Good rapport with the proctor is helpful. I was able to get the information I needed by carefully wording my questions and making sure that my desired result was understood. The proctor is under a bit of stress himself, with so many folks vying for his attention. He may think you are asking something you are not. I made sure that if I was not getting an answer that made sense that I clarified my request, so that the answer was one that helped me understand. I will say also that the test I saw was reasonably clear. The questions I had tended to be the result of outputs from various show and debug commands, to clarify what the expectation was. A few other comments: I was far too aggressive in scheduling my lab date. Should have pushed it out 60 days. Don't be in a hurry. Those without a lot of hands on need to spend several months of several hours a day practicing. No two ways about it. There has been a lot of discussion about the patch panels used in the lab. All I can say is that the panels are clearly labeled. IMHO you have nothing to worry about. That said, I did have to revisit the rack twice, in order to make a cabling change. This was purely the result of a chicken or egg situation, and not due to any difficulty with the rack itself. People with home labs know well the issue with hooking up routers back to back. I sat next to a guy this morning ( a day 1 candidate ) who was getting up every few minutes and going to the back of the rack to move cables around. Completely unnecessary and driving the proctor nuts. There is no need for any candidate to touch the back of the rack. You can't let little stuff stop you. Those with extensive hands on experience know that
RE: Cisco IOS Documentation: How useful is it, really?
Well if you have a desire to pass the CCIE Lab, I think it would be very difficult, shall I say virtually impossible, to sail through without a fair command over Cisco IOS Configuration Guides and Command References. I realize that it may be very difficult to remember every bit of it, but the ability to navigate to where a feature is located and to retreive it quickly may make the difference between pass and fail. In my case I never studied Bruce Caslow's book or Jeff Doyle's (Routing TCP/IP) but still managed to pass. So, it all depends, if you skip Cisco IOS Configuration Guides and Command References, the sailing may not be very smooth. Aziz S. Islam -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Control Program Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 11:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cisco IOS Documentation: How useful is it, really? I'm interested in thoughts and opinions on the practical utility of the official Cisco IOS Configuration Guides and Command References available in print, on CCO, and on the documentation CD-ROMs that ship with Cisco products. There have been a number of allusions on and off this list to the importance (or even necessity) of studying the official docs if "you're serious about CCIE preparation." I even recall seeing some advice given by someone that one should read the entire set of configuration guides and command references before attempting the lab exam. How useful do you all find the IOS documentation, both with respect to CCIE study, and in general? Have you succeeded in using it to learn to configure services you were previously unfamiliar with, or is it just useful as a reference once you already mainly know what you're doing? Is it even useful as a reference? My own thoughts: I ask because I find the IOS documentation hard to digest at best, and actively confusing at worst. I use it frequently, but almost exclusively as a reference to look up command options and syntax details. Even then, half the time I find that there either isn't enough detail in the manual to answer the question I have, or there's so much detail that the information I'm looking for is buried in an avalanche of optional parameters and unrelated features. The idea of resorting to the IOS documentation to, say, learn how to set up async and ISDN interfaces using a combination of static and dynamic addressing to support user dialin and backup/DDR functions on an access server makes my blood run cold. It could be done - eventually - but it would require piecing the information together from eight different chapters, one of which would provide 200 pages of information just on PPP, another of which would provide 150 pages of information on ISDN signaling, and so on. I just can't imagine the official documentation as the preferred means to learn to do something new. Should you be familiar with the structure and contents? Of course. It's still the last word when it comes to resolving ambiguities or finding information on that one option you knew was there but couldn't remember the keyword for. Is it time well-spent to sit there and study these manuals as an attempt to increase your knowledge and proficiency? Not in my experience. That's not to say you won't learn anything by doing it - just that there are better ways to use your time. Comments encouraged! Maybe some of you have actually devised a way to triage the documentation and learn a lot from it despite the way it's organized. If so, I'd love to hear your strategies. -- _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BSCN Exam
I would study Scalable Cisco Networks.. I would also have started by looking at the course on www.cisco.com, but then again that would require work on your part Rick "Chiao Liang" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi All I will be taking my BSCN in 3 weeks times, so would like to know what should i study for? or is there any other materials i can get from the web. Thank, with regards Chan _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab Report - unsuccesful
Chuck, Thank You. Over the past year + you have been a mentor (and Joe) to many of us. As you had success, many of us were inspired. I know I was always a few steps behind ya... with the NA then NP then DA then DP... now I just got my ATM specialization so on to the written. But thru all this you have inspired. Now , you inspire not with success but by being positive when it would be easy to get negative and push blame every where else. Stay in there... there are many of us lurkers (I do post on occasion) wishing the best for you! Lou ""Chuck Larrieu"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 000d01c0bfcc$08c90800$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:000d01c0bfcc$08c90800$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hey, everyone, how you all been? The short story is I did not make it to day 2. The rest of this is a bit long winded, and easily skipped. First of all, I was quite pleased to find upon reading through my Day 1 scenario that there was nothing I couldn't do, given time. There are plenty of practice labs from several different sources which cover all the core topics, so there were no surprises for me. Secondly, I was quite pleased when during my review of Day 1 results with the proctor, he told me they were going to change the written instruction on a particular section because of the solution I used. I'm actually quite surprised it hasn't been done before. I was grudgingly given points, although I was told my solution was definitely not what they had in mind. However, in the end, it was a few simple omissions that cost me the points I would have needed to squeak into Day 2. Only one of the six of us who began together was invited to the second day. Things I learned: 1) having the core topics down cold is CRUCIAL. No kidding! 2) Time is crucial, but not, I believe, in the way I have seen it discussed in many places. I highly doubt that typing 80 words a minute versus my 20 WPM was the difference. Not when I spent as much time as I did contemplating. You can't think it. You have to know it. By 2:00 p.m. I knew I didn't have a prayer of hitting all the requirements. At that point I started counting points, putting myself in a defensive mode. By quitting time, if I got full credit for everything I thought I deserved, I would have had 31 points. As I found out in my review, I missed a few simple things, and blew myself out of the water. This leads back to the internalization of the core topics. You can't be thinking about how to configure anything. You have to just bang them out, the same way you bang out shaving or washing your hands or eating your lunch. 3) Methodology is crucial. You have to have a good methodology that is internalized and is habitual. You can't be thinking "what's next?" I don't believe it matters what your methodology is, so long as you are consistent and quick. My own methodology failed me because I was constantly adjusting, rather than banging it out. 4) I spent a good two hours last night in my hotel room debriefing myself. I have six pages of notes regarding my day one experience. This will form the basis of my study plan for my second attempt. I know that it is highly unlikely I will have a scenario like the one I just worked on next time through. But I will focus on methodology and speed. 5) Good rapport with the proctor is helpful. I was able to get the information I needed by carefully wording my questions and making sure that my desired result was understood. The proctor is under a bit of stress himself, with so many folks vying for his attention. He may think you are asking something you are not. I made sure that if I was not getting an answer that made sense that I clarified my request, so that the answer was one that helped me understand. I will say also that the test I saw was reasonably clear. The questions I had tended to be the result of outputs from various show and debug commands, to clarify what the expectation was. A few other comments: I was far too aggressive in scheduling my lab date. Should have pushed it out 60 days. Don't be in a hurry. Those without a lot of hands on need to spend several months of several hours a day practicing. No two ways about it. There has been a lot of discussion about the patch panels used in the lab. All I can say is that the panels are clearly labeled. IMHO you have nothing to worry about. That said, I did have to revisit the rack twice, in order to make a cabling change. This was purely the result of a chicken or egg situation, and not due to any difficulty with the rack itself. People with home labs know well the issue with hooking up routers back to back. I sat next to a guy this morning ( a day 1 candidate ) who was getting up every few minutes and going to the back of the rack to move cables around. Completely unnecessary and driving the proctor nuts. There is no need for any candidate to touch the back of the rack. You can't let little stuff stop you. Those with
Re: CCIE Lab Report - unsuccesful
Chuck, I am surprised that you didn't pass on the first attempt (you're scaring me). But I also think that it is an important part of the process. My first attempt will be in August. Failing the Lab makes us see the value and difficulty of the lab; appreciate the level of expertise required to pass; and the only way this certification can hold its value in the future. You said that you could do everything in the lab, but overlooked some simple things that kept you out of Day 2. It might be something completely different for me, but the Lab is where we find these things out, so we will be detail oriented, and at a consistent level of expertise when passing the lab. Study hard and good luck, Tim - Original Message - From: "Chuck Larrieu" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Cisco Mail List" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 6:34 PM Subject: CCIE Lab Report - unsuccesful Hey, everyone, how you all been? The short story is I did not make it to day 2. The rest of this is a bit long winded, and easily skipped. First of all, I was quite pleased to find upon reading through my Day 1 scenario that there was nothing I couldn't do, given time. There are plenty of practice labs from several different sources which cover all the core topics, so there were no surprises for me. Secondly, I was quite pleased when during my review of Day 1 results with the proctor, he told me they were going to change the written instruction on a particular section because of the solution I used. I'm actually quite surprised it hasn't been done before. I was grudgingly given points, although I was told my solution was definitely not what they had in mind. However, in the end, it was a few simple omissions that cost me the points I would have needed to squeak into Day 2. Only one of the six of us who began together was invited to the second day. Things I learned: 1) having the core topics down cold is CRUCIAL. No kidding! 2) Time is crucial, but not, I believe, in the way I have seen it discussed in many places. I highly doubt that typing 80 words a minute versus my 20 WPM was the difference. Not when I spent as much time as I did contemplating. You can't think it. You have to know it. By 2:00 p.m. I knew I didn't have a prayer of hitting all the requirements. At that point I started counting points, putting myself in a defensive mode. By quitting time, if I got full credit for everything I thought I deserved, I would have had 31 points. As I found out in my review, I missed a few simple things, and blew myself out of the water. This leads back to the internalization of the core topics. You can't be thinking about how to configure anything. You have to just bang them out, the same way you bang out shaving or washing your hands or eating your lunch. 3) Methodology is crucial. You have to have a good methodology that is internalized and is habitual. You can't be thinking "what's next?" I don't believe it matters what your methodology is, so long as you are consistent and quick. My own methodology failed me because I was constantly adjusting, rather than banging it out. 4) I spent a good two hours last night in my hotel room debriefing myself. I have six pages of notes regarding my day one experience. This will form the basis of my study plan for my second attempt. I know that it is highly unlikely I will have a scenario like the one I just worked on next time through. But I will focus on methodology and speed. 5) Good rapport with the proctor is helpful. I was able to get the information I needed by carefully wording my questions and making sure that my desired result was understood. The proctor is under a bit of stress himself, with so many folks vying for his attention. He may think you are asking something you are not. I made sure that if I was not getting an answer that made sense that I clarified my request, so that the answer was one that helped me understand. I will say also that the test I saw was reasonably clear. The questions I had tended to be the result of outputs from various show and debug commands, to clarify what the expectation was. A few other comments: I was far too aggressive in scheduling my lab date. Should have pushed it out 60 days. Don't be in a hurry. Those without a lot of hands on need to spend several months of several hours a day practicing. No two ways about it. There has been a lot of discussion about the patch panels used in the lab. All I can say is that the panels are clearly labeled. IMHO you have nothing to worry about. That said, I did have to revisit the rack twice, in order to make a cabling change. This was purely the result of a chicken or egg situation, and not due to any difficulty with the rack itself. People with home labs know well the issue with hooking up routers back to back. I sat next to a guy this morning ( a day 1 candidate ) who was getting up every few minutes and going to the back of
Re: ccna/ccnp presentations
hi, can anyone tell me where can i get( buy) the power point presentations used for teaching ccnp and ccna in the class room. are the available to cisco training partners only.? Correct. Training partners only., regards, umer _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OSPF virtual links
At 03:59 PM 4/7/01 -0400, Fred Danson wrote: Fred I setup Lab #30 just to see if I would experience the same thing, and initially I did, until I rebooted RouterA (your R2503). Somehow rebooting allowed reachability and I was able to ping the 152.1.1.1 address (actaully I used 192.168.104.3). I also noticed the "ip ospf interface-retry 0" on several interfaces in your config, I had them in mine's also. I gotta look that one up but I suspect that it appears in the config because the opposite side of the link hasn't been initialized or configured yet! After I deleted all the "ip ospf interface-retry 0" entries off the interface configs and rebooted all three routers, I still have reachibility to 192.168.104.3 (your 152.1.1.1) and also found that network 192.168.104.0 (your 152.1.0.0) is in the routing table of RouterB (your 2523). I have all the router configs and sh commands as well as the capture of the successful ping, but I'll reserve posting them to save bandwidth until I hear if you rebooted and cleaned up the configs and your problem still exist. Stefan Hey group, I am in the middle of Lab #30 from the CCIE Lab Study Guide which involves OSPF virtual links. Here's my configs: R2503 - backbone router hostname r2503 ! ! ip subnet-zero ! ! ! interface Loopback0 ip address 1.1.1.1 255.255.255.0 no ip directed-broadcast ! interface Ethernet0 no ip address no ip directed-broadcast shutdown ! interface Serial0 ip address 192.1.1.1 255.255.255.0 no ip directed-broadcast ip ospf interface-retry 0 no ip mroute-cache no fair-queue ! interface Serial1 no ip address no ip directed-broadcast shutdown ! interface BRI0 no ip address no ip directed-broadcast shutdown ! router ospf 100 network 192.1.1.1 0.0.0.0 area 0 ! ip classless ! ! ! line con 0 transport input none line aux 0 line vty 0 4 ! end -- R2523- backbone router, link between R2503 R4000 hostname r2523 ! ! ip subnet-zero ! ! ! interface Loopback0 ip address 2.2.2.2 255.255.255.0 no ip directed-broadcast ! interface Serial0 ip address 193.1.1.2 255.255.255.0 no ip directed-broadcast ip ospf interface-retry 0 no ip mroute-cache no fair-queue ! interface Serial1 ip address 192.1.1.2 255.255.255.0 no ip directed-broadcast ip ospf interface-retry 0 clockrate 64000 ! interface Serial2 no ip address no ip directed-broadcast shutdown ! interface Serial3 no ip address no ip directed-broadcast shutdown ! interface Serial4 no ip address no ip directed-broadcast shutdown ! interface Serial5 no ip address no ip directed-broadcast shutdown ! interface Serial6 no ip address no ip directed-broadcast shutdown ! interface Serial7 no ip address no ip directed-broadcast shutdown ! interface Serial8 no ip address no ip directed-broadcast shutdown ! interface Serial9 no ip address no ip directed-broadcast shutdown ! interface TokenRing0 no ip address no ip directed-broadcast shutdown ! interface BRI0 no ip address no ip directed-broadcast shutdown ! router ospf 100 area 1 virtual-link 3.3.3.3 network 192.1.1.2 0.0.0.0 area 0 network 193.1.1.2 0.0.0.0 area 1 ! ip classless ! ! ! line con 0 transport input none line aux 0 line vty 0 4 ! end - R4000, in areas 1 4, has a virtual link through R2523 hostname r4000 ! ! ! ! interface Loopback0 ip address 3.3.3.3 255.255.255.0 ! interface Ethernet0 ip address 152.1.1.1 255.255.255.0 no keepalive media-type 10BaseT ! interface Serial0 ip address 193.1.1.1 255.255.255.0 no ip mroute-cache no fair-queue clockrate 64000 ! interface Serial1 no ip address shutdown ! interface TokenRing0 no ip address shutdown ! router ospf 100 network 152.1.1.1 0.0.0.0 area 4 network 193.1.1.1 0.0.0.0 area 1 area 1 virtual-link 2.2.2.2 ! ip classless ! ! ! line con 0 line aux 0 line vty 0 4 login ! end - the virtual link seems to be working fine. Here's a paste of show ip ospf virtual-link from r2523 r2523#show ip ospf vir Virtual Link OSPF_VL0 to router 3.3.3.3 is up Run as demand circuit DoNotAge LSA allowed. Transit area 1, via interface Serial0, Cost of using 64 Transmit Delay is 1 sec, State POINT_TO_POINT, Timer intervals configured, Hello 10, Dead 40, Wait 40, Retransmit 5 Hello due in 00:00:01 Adjacency State FULL (Hello suppressed) Here's a paste of show ip ospf virtual-link from r4000 r4000#show ip ospf vir Virtual Link OSPF_VL0 to router 2.2.2.2 is up Run as demand circuit DoNotAge LSA allowed. Transit area 1, via interface Serial0, Cost of using 64 Transmit Delay is 1 sec, State POINT_TO_POINT, Timer intervals configured, Hello 10, Dead 40, Wait 40, Retransmit 5 Hello due in 00:00:03 Adjacency State FULL (Hello suppressed) Here's the problem. I cannot ping r4000's ethernet interface (which is in area 4) from r2503. the network statement for 152.1.1.0/24 is in r2503's route table, but not in r2523's route table. r2503#show ip route Codes: C - connected, S -
Re: Cisco IOS Documentation: How useful is it, really?
- Original Message - From: Control Program [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 8:36 AM Subject: Cisco IOS Documentation: How useful is it, really? I'm interested in thoughts and opinions on the practical utility of the official Cisco IOS Configuration Guides and Command References available in print, on CCO, and on the documentation CD-ROMs that ship with Cisco products. There have been a number of allusions on and off this list to the importance (or even necessity) of studying the official docs if "you're serious about CCIE preparation." I even recall seeing some advice given by someone that one should read the entire set of configuration guides and command references before attempting the lab exam. First off, the "practical utility" for the IOS Config guides is in the configuration of the devices (duh), and not for light reading unless you have a photographic memory (which actually might be a detriment ;-) If you've ever put together a configuration for multiple routers (for example, even a small 5 site WAN), you discover that the parameters set on one device are dependent on its neighbors, and that if you don't get the commands right, the results that you want will not be realized. Sometimes it can be easy (point-to-point T1's and RIP all using fixed subnet masks), but the complexity rises as the routing protocol is implemented and features required are added, and WAN technologies used. How useful do you all find the IOS documentation, both with respect to CCIE study, and in general? VERY. You go to http://www.cisco.com and click on Training and Certifications. From there, there are links that take you to the CCIE Blueprint, which lists a plethora (ad nauseum) of the material that you need to be familiar with, and it is NOT all Cisco documentation. But there are lots of links to Cisco IOS Documentation there, and some good white papers, too. Have you succeeded in using it to learn to configure services you were previously unfamiliar with, or is it just useful as a reference once you already mainly know what you're doing? Is it even useful as a reference? Yes - ergo ATM (LANE) and LECS/LES/BUS configuration at a router and ATM switch level (two different devices, two different IOSes). Also, the interface buffers (queuing commands), and it has really helped me in my BGP configurations and in route redistribution. Again, if you haven't had experience on the console, its almost impossible to study the configuration guides except to get familiar with how these device commands are entered. Many times, the configuration examples at the bottom of the Config Guides are good starting points, but don't provide sufficient detail to solve my particular problem. Knowing the context of a router (one big ARP table) helps alot, and knowing the capabilities and limitations of the router in terms of filtering and traffic movement also help. Interface-specific commands versus global commands also proves to be valuable, because it gives me a reference point to search the documentation. My own thoughts: I ask because I find the IOS documentation hard to digest at best, and actively confusing at worst. I use it frequently, but almost exclusively as a reference to look up command options and syntax details. Even then, half the time I find that there either isn't enough detail in the manual to answer the question I have, or there's so much detail that the information I'm looking for is buried in an avalanche of optional parameters and unrelated features. The idea of resorting to the IOS documentation to, say, learn how to set up async and ISDN interfaces using a combination of static and dynamic addressing to support user dialin and backup/DDR functions on an access server makes my blood run cold. It could be done - eventually - but it would require piecing the information together from eight different chapters, one of which would provide 200 pages of information just on PPP, another of which would provide 150 pages of information on ISDN signaling, and so on. If you're just reading the configuration guides without live equipment to see what the config command does, then it *is* confusing at best, frustrating at worst. I've studied the configuration guides without equipment around, but I also have the benefit of setting up lots of equipment, so when the config guide refers to a command, I know the basic context of why it needs to be done. Much of the configuration can be trial and error, much like any other programmable device, as they don't put every possible combination of every command into the config guides, but that's why the TAC has resorted to providing sample configurations which are now very well documented: http://www.cisco.com/public/technotes/serv_tips.shtml As far as detail is concerned, I agree with you that there often is a big (sometimes HUGE) disconnect between the config guide and command reference, and I've
Re: Cisco IOS Documentation: How useful is it, really?
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1228062723 This is the best IOS command reference I know of. I've purchased the 11.0(22) release a few years ago now one of these 12.1's. I can think of no better way to master Cisco IOS. Phil - Original Message - From: "EA Louie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Control Program" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 7:33 PM Subject: Re: Cisco IOS Documentation: How useful is it, really? - Original Message - From: Control Program [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 8:36 AM Subject: Cisco IOS Documentation: How useful is it, really? I'm interested in thoughts and opinions on the practical utility of the official Cisco IOS Configuration Guides and Command References available in print, on CCO, and on the documentation CD-ROMs that ship with Cisco products. There have been a number of allusions on and off this list to the importance (or even necessity) of studying the official docs if "you're serious about CCIE preparation." I even recall seeing some advice given by someone that one should read the entire set of configuration guides and command references before attempting the lab exam. First off, the "practical utility" for the IOS Config guides is in the configuration of the devices (duh), and not for light reading unless you have a photographic memory (which actually might be a detriment ;-) If you've ever put together a configuration for multiple routers (for example, even a small 5 site WAN), you discover that the parameters set on one device are dependent on its neighbors, and that if you don't get the commands right, the results that you want will not be realized. Sometimes it can be easy (point-to-point T1's and RIP all using fixed subnet masks), but the complexity rises as the routing protocol is implemented and features required are added, and WAN technologies used. How useful do you all find the IOS documentation, both with respect to CCIE study, and in general? VERY. You go to http://www.cisco.com and click on Training and Certifications. From there, there are links that take you to the CCIE Blueprint, which lists a plethora (ad nauseum) of the material that you need to be familiar with, and it is NOT all Cisco documentation. But there are lots of links to Cisco IOS Documentation there, and some good white papers, too. Have you succeeded in using it to learn to configure services you were previously unfamiliar with, or is it just useful as a reference once you already mainly know what you're doing? Is it even useful as a reference? Yes - ergo ATM (LANE) and LECS/LES/BUS configuration at a router and ATM switch level (two different devices, two different IOSes). Also, the interface buffers (queuing commands), and it has really helped me in my BGP configurations and in route redistribution. Again, if you haven't had experience on the console, its almost impossible to study the configuration guides except to get familiar with how these device commands are entered. Many times, the configuration examples at the bottom of the Config Guides are good starting points, but don't provide sufficient detail to solve my particular problem. Knowing the context of a router (one big ARP table) helps alot, and knowing the capabilities and limitations of the router in terms of filtering and traffic movement also help. Interface-specific commands versus global commands also proves to be valuable, because it gives me a reference point to search the documentation. My own thoughts: I ask because I find the IOS documentation hard to digest at best, and actively confusing at worst. I use it frequently, but almost exclusively as a reference to look up command options and syntax details. Even then, half the time I find that there either isn't enough detail in the manual to answer the question I have, or there's so much detail that the information I'm looking for is buried in an avalanche of optional parameters and unrelated features. The idea of resorting to the IOS documentation to, say, learn how to set up async and ISDN interfaces using a combination of static and dynamic addressing to support user dialin and backup/DDR functions on an access server makes my blood run cold. It could be done - eventually - but it would require piecing the information together from eight different chapters, one of which would provide 200 pages of information just on PPP, another of which would provide 150 pages of information on ISDN signaling, and so on. If you're just reading the configuration guides without live equipment to see what the config command does, then it *is* confusing at best, frustrating at worst. I've studied the configuration guides without equipment around, but I also have the benefit of setting up lots of equipment, so when the config guide refers to a
Re: OSPF virtual links
At 03:59 PM 4/7/01 -0400, Fred Danson wrote: interface Serial0 ip address 192.1.1.1 255.255.255.0 no ip directed-broadcast ip ospf interface-retry 0 see CCO link below no ip mroute-cache no fair-queue http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/104/28.shtml Stefan _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OSPF virtual links
My comments follow below. Please let me know how it worked out. --- OSPF virtual links. Here's my configs: R2503 - backbone router hostname r2503 ! router ospf 100 network 192.1.1.1 0.0.0.0 area 0 -- Please change your config to: router ospf 100 network 192.1.1.0 0.0.0.255 area 0 --- R2523- backbone router, link between R2503 R4000 hostname r2523 router ospf 100 area 1 virtual-link 3.3.3.3 network 192.1.1.2 0.0.0.0 area 0 network 193.1.1.2 0.0.0.0 area 1 - For R2523, please change your config to: router ospf 100 area 1 virtual-link 3.3.3.3 network 192.1.1.0 0.0.0.255 area 0 network 193.1.1.0 0.0.0.255 area 1 --- R4000, in areas 1 4, has a virtual link through R2523 hostname r4000 router ospf 100 network 152.1.1.1 0.0.0.0 area 4 network 193.1.1.1 0.0.0.0 area 1 area 1 virtual-link 2.2.2.2 ! - For R4000, please change your config to: router ospf 100 network 152.1.1.0 0.0.0.255 area 4 network 193.1.1.0 0.0.0.255 area 1 area 1 virtual-link 2.2.2.2 --- Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab Report - unsuccesful
John Hardman wrote: I sniped most of your report below with the exception of point #5. I have been trying to form a picture of the lab, trying to make it a part of me that I visit on a regular basis. When I was in Taekwon-Do I found that the more time I spent in visualization the better I got. It goes beyond just "seeing it", but a total emersion in the expeirence. And this is what I have been trying to do with the lab, so a little more detail will help me fill out my vision... NDA permiting, what can be asked of the proctor? For a little visualization, point your browser to http://www.tara.ca/ourlabs/ccie.html and peak at Halifax. They're redesigned their site -- they used to have a Quicktime 360 degree "movie" of the lab. Back when I was still teaching CCIE prep classes I used to show it to people. It helped take the edge off of the unknown. Marty Adkins Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mentor Technologies Phone: 240-568-6526 133 National Business Pkwy WWW: http://www.mentortech.com Annapolis Junction, MD 20701Cisco CCIE #1289 _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OSPF virtual links
The changes you listed really won't do anything. As long as the IP address on the interface falls into the network + wildcard mask range used in the network statement, it will work fine. You can check to see if the interface is active in the ospf process using the show ip ospf interface command. From: "Arthur Simplina" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Arthur Simplina" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OSPF virtual links Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 20:15:15 -0400 My comments follow below. Please let me know how it worked out. --- OSPF virtual links. Here's my configs: R2503 - backbone router hostname r2503 ! router ospf 100 network 192.1.1.1 0.0.0.0 area 0 -- Please change your config to: router ospf 100 network 192.1.1.0 0.0.0.255 area 0 --- R2523- backbone router, link between R2503 R4000 hostname r2523 router ospf 100 area 1 virtual-link 3.3.3.3 network 192.1.1.2 0.0.0.0 area 0 network 193.1.1.2 0.0.0.0 area 1 - For R2523, please change your config to: router ospf 100 area 1 virtual-link 3.3.3.3 network 192.1.1.0 0.0.0.255 area 0 network 193.1.1.0 0.0.0.255 area 1 --- R4000, in areas 1 4, has a virtual link through R2523 hostname r4000 router ospf 100 network 152.1.1.1 0.0.0.0 area 4 network 193.1.1.1 0.0.0.0 area 1 area 1 virtual-link 2.2.2.2 ! - For R4000, please change your config to: router ospf 100 network 152.1.1.0 0.0.0.255 area 4 network 193.1.1.0 0.0.0.255 area 1 area 1 virtual-link 2.2.2.2 --- Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ISDN irregularity
8000 bytes = 64000 bits. What speed is your ISDN channel? How long will it take a ping to get to the other side and back? How long is your timeout? I expect that if you increase the timeout you will see your pings return. JMcL -- Forwarded by Jenny Mcleod/NSO/CSDA on 09/04/2001 10:23 am --- "Savvas Themistocleous" [EMAIL PROTECTED]@groupstudy.com on 06/04/2001 08:17:17 pm Please respond to "Savvas Themistocleous" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: ISDN irregularity Hi all, I have just picked up something strange on my AS5300. Is this standard for an Isdn connection with an MTU over 8000, it has a regular pattern which suggests that it is standard to me. Any ideas? I thought fragmentation should occur past this to 18024. JHB-AS5300#ping Protocol [ip]: Target IP address: 216.0.53.162 Repeat count [5]: Datagram size [100]: Timeout in seconds [2]: Extended commands [n]: Sweep range of sizes [n]: y Sweep min size [36]: 5000 Sweep max size [18024]: 1000 % Bad maximum size JHB-AS5300#ping Protocol [ip]: Target IP address: 216.0.53.162 Repeat count [5]: Datagram size [100]: Timeout in seconds [2]: Extended commands [n]: Sweep range of sizes [n]: y Sweep min size [36]: 5000 Sweep max size [18024]: 1 Sweep interval [1]: 500 Type escape sequence to abort. Sending 55, [5000..1]-byte ICMP Echos to 216.0.53.162, timeout is 2 seconds: !!.!!.!!.! Regards Savvas _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
methods for summarizing routes in FATKID ospf401
Hi, Just trying out ospf401 on fatkid, and was reading the hints about summarizing. Here's the hint "There are two built in OSPF methods to summarize OSPF routes. One way summaries between areas. The other summarizes between Autonomous Systems. Do you know a third way to summarize routes, which works for any router, running any routing protocol? How about a fourth?" http://www.fatkid.com/html/401_advanced_opsf_-_hints.html Does anyone know the 3rd or other ways and could kindly let me know? Clue Less. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: methods for summarizing routes in FATKID ospf401
What about a static route? "Clue Less" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi, Just trying out ospf401 on fatkid, and was reading the hints about summarizing. Here's the hint "There are two built in OSPF methods to summarize OSPF routes. One way summaries between areas. The other summarizes between Autonomous Systems. Do you know a third way to summarize routes, which works for any router, running any routing protocol? How about a fourth?" http://www.fatkid.com/html/401_advanced_opsf_-_hints.html Does anyone know the 3rd or other ways and could kindly let me know? Clue Less. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I need ICRC. I have most other CCNA2.0/MCSEW2K.
I need ICRC and I now have most other CCNA2.0/MCSEW2K. Anyone interest , email to me. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: methods for summarizing routes in FATKID ospf401
How about default routes (0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0)? John Clue Less [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi, Just trying out ospf401 on fatkid, and was reading the hints about summarizing. Here's the hint "There are two built in OSPF methods to summarize OSPF routes. One way summaries between areas. The other summarizes between Autonomous Systems. Do you know a third way to summarize routes, which works for any router, running any routing protocol? How about a fourth?" http://www.fatkid.com/html/401_advanced_opsf_-_hints.html Does anyone know the 3rd or other ways and could kindly let me know? Clue Less. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pre-sales consultant
Hello, A pre-sales consultant job ( in network and system solutions field) is a great job? _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What does this line mean
no ip classless ip route 10.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 10.10.32.0 Thanks John _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IP Classless
no ip classless ip route 10.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 10.10.32.0 Whats this mean Thanks _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Frame Relay
go here http://www.fatkid.com/html/frame_relay.html Mark Rose wrote: A while back there was a posting showing how to set up a frame relay switch with 3 routers (with configs). I misplaced the copy I had. I couldn't find it in the archives. Could someone help me out. TIA Mark _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Boot Rom for Cisco 2500 series routers
jonh: cisco shiped it for free for me . John Hardman wrote: Humm... Interesting, Cisco is willing to give them away free, but they do not ship for free. I wonder which is the better deal, your price for something free or something for free. HTH -- John Hardman CCNP MCSE+I ""CiScO"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 97kpdn$883$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:97kpdn$883$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Is there anyone looking for Cisco 2500 router boot roms? I have the latest from Cisco, version 11.0(10c)XB2. I currently have several sets left. All brand new. I am willing to ship the item at no cost within the US. If you're interested please send an email so we can arrange shipping and payment. Helpful Links below: Boot Rom features and fixes: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/471/30.shtml Replacing Boot Rom chips Instructions: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/access/acs_fix/cis2500/2500c fig/bootrom.htm Thanks! Joe N. CCNA http://www.tmjf.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
upgrading boot and IOS...
Dear all, I have an old 7507 and would like to upgrade the boot image and IOS to 12.0.x... can someone suggests: 1. The most reliable IOS version in 12.0.x? 2. I would most like to take away my ethernet and channelized T1 module. (therefore, I have AIP, RSP2(64M ram), VIP+PA-FE-TX x 2, and SSIP8. Please see my sh ver below: Cisco Internetwork Operating System Software IOS (tm) RSP Software (RSP-AJSV-M), Version 11.2(18)BC, EARLY DEPLOYMENT RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1) Copyright (c) 1986-1999 by cisco Systems, Inc. Compiled Thu 15-Apr-99 06:59 by krunyan Image text-base: 0x600108A0, data-base: 0x60C3A000 ROM: System Bootstrap, Version 11.1(2) [nitin 2], RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1) BOOTFLASH: GS Software (RSP-BOOT-M), Version 11.1(6), RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1) 7057old uptime is 7 weeks, 3 days, 3 hours, 28 minutes System restarted by reload at 08:04:18 HKT Fri Feb 16 2001 System image file is "slot0:rsp-ajsv-mz_112-18_BC.bin", booted via slot0 cisco RSP2 (R4600) processor with 65536K bytes of memory. R4600 processor, Implementation 32, Revision 2.0 Last reset from power-on G.703/E1 software, Version 1.0. SuperLAT software copyright 1990 by Meridian Technology Corp). Bridging software. X.25 software, Version 2.0, NET2, BFE and GOSIP compliant. TN3270 Emulation software. Primary Rate ISDN software, Version 1.0. Chassis Interface. 1 SSIP controller (8 Serial). 1 AIP controller (1 ATM). 1 MIP controller (2 T1). 2 VIP2 controllers (2 FastEthernet)(8 Ethernet). 8 Ethernet/IEEE 802.3 interface(s) 2 FastEthernet/IEEE 802.3 interface(s) 39 Serial network interface(s) 1 ATM network interface(s) 2 Channelized T1/PRI port(s) 123K bytes of non-volatile configuration memory. 20480K bytes of Flash PCMCIA card at slot 0 (Sector size 128K). 8192K bytes of Flash internal SIMM (Sector size 256K). No slave installed in slot 3. Configuration register is 0x2102 Thanks a lot. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ISL using 11.2?????
I am using a 4500 with a Fast Ethernet interface and would like to be able to route between VLANs that are setup on my 2900. I don't have the option to use encapsulation ISL using Ver 11.2 on the 4500. Do I have to upgrade to 11.3 or something higher to be able to use ISL? Thanks! _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2 8mb flash partitions
Hey Group, I noticed that one of my 2500 routers which has a total of 16mb of flash on 2 SIMMs has the flash split up into 2 partitions. If I wanted to put an IOS on the router which was larger than 8mb, would it work? Is it possible to span a file over multiple flash SIMMs? Thanks in advance, Fred _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What does this line mean
- Original Message - From: "John Brandis" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 10:06 PM Subject: What does this line mean no ip classless = you are not using classless routing ip route 10.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 10.10.32.0 = ther is a static route to network 10.0.0.0 with the class A subnet 255.0.0.0 and the default gateway is 10.10.32.0 Thanks John _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2 8mb flash partitions
I believe the actual command is #no partition FLASH - Original Message - From: "Fred Danson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 3:51 AM Subject: 2 8mb flash partitions Hey Group, I noticed that one of my 2500 routers which has a total of 16mb of flash on 2 SIMMs has the flash split up into 2 partitions. If I wanted to put an IOS on the router which was larger than 8mb, would it work? Is it possible to span a file over multiple flash SIMMs? Thanks in advance, Fred _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Switching.
Hi people, Cleared Switching this morning. It was pretty tough , as this was the first CCNP exam . Hope to clear Routing soon. 1 down 3 to go. Shree. _ Chat with your friends as soon as they come online. Get Rediff Bol at http://bol.rediff.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mzmaker
I have a 2514 w/ 8Mb flash. When I used mzmaker to compress IOS 12 that is 10MB it worked fine. However, after writing the .mz file to flash and starting up the router it keeps looping "Error : memory requirements exceed available memory Memory required : 0x00AF99A0 Exception: Software forced crash at 0x111E (PC)" and giving this error. Does this not work since on a 2500 series router the IOS runs in the flash and not ram? Thanks. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
what is the passing mark for CCNP switching?
Hi.. May I know what is the passing mark for CCNP switching? How many questions and time allow? Whether the mark is from the scale from 300 to 1000 like what CCNA 2.0 do?? SCT == De informatie opgenomen in dit bericht kan vertrouwelijk zijn en is uitsluitend bestemd voor de geadresseerde. Indien u dit bericht onterecht ontvangt wordt u verzocht de inhoud niet te gebruiken en de afzender direct te informeren door het bericht te retourneren. == The information contained in this message may be confidential and is intended to be exclusively for the addressee. Should you receive this message unintentionally, please do not use the contents herein and notify the sender immediately by return e-mail. == _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
