Re: ccie security advice [7:25024]
I would also say it depends on whether you like the stuff. Some people really like fiddling with security procedures, and some people despise it (same could be said for R/S topics). I know it sounds trite, but I would advise anybody against doing something they despise, even if there is money to be made. So the next question is how do you know whether you will like security or not? Some simple tests may do. If you are interested in all the stories about security lately (Microsoft worms, events related to Sept. 11, etc.), then that is a good sign. If you are really interested in how encryption and authentication really work, down to the PDU level, then that is a really good sign. On the other hand, maybe you find it all boring, and there's nothing wrong with admitting that to yourself. There is no law that says that you must be interested in everything. Everybody here has a certain topic that just bores them to tears. While I like networking, I can think of a few networking subspecialties that just put me to sleep in a Sunday minute. ""John Kaberna"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > It really depends if you have a solid background with Cisco security > products. The core topics are basically going to be the same between the > two labs. AFAIK, the major difference is desktop protocols are removed and > security stuff is added. I personally think that they can make the security > stuff a lot harder than the desktop stuff. You'll have to pick your poison. > > Ccbootcamp/NETCG will be coming out with a lab subscription service in a few > weeks. We've already begun writing labs. > > John Kaberna > CCIE #7146 > NETCG Inc. > Cisco Premier Partner > www.netcginc.com > (415) 750-3800 > > __ > CCIE Security Training > www.netcginc.com/training.htm > > > ""ron conry"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > can someone advise me on whether to go to ccie security route or to ccie > > routing and switching route? i am hearing that ccie security lab already > has > > waiting list till jan/feb 2002. > > > > are there any practice labs available for ccie security? > > > > thanks in advance. > > -- > > > > ___ > > Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com > > http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > > > > > Have you downloaded the latest calling software from Net2Phone? Click here > > to get it now! > > > > http://www.net2phone.com/cgi-bin/link.cgi?157 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=25209&t=25024 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Console Port Problem - Help ! [7:25201]
Navin Parwal wrote: > Hi Jonathan , > Thanks for your reply , >I am using the Cisco blue cables and I am also using the Cisco conector > on the serial port of my IBM compatible computer with Win98 , I can connect > and use other Cisco devices , ie Catalyst 1924 and Cisco 2620 with it and it > works fine , ie these devices are accepting my commands , the only prob is > with my Cisco 2610 , I have changed everything , ie the PC, the OS , the > cable , the connector , and tried it with all combinations , but it is not > acepting the input . > I am planning to buy a Smart Net package ultimately if it does not get > solved , but I wanted to know if there is any solution to this issue , which > could have arised to anyone else. > But does anyone know how Strap CTS high as mentioned on this page : > http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/471/17.html > > thanks again > > Navin Parwal Note!! The URL you refer to is for a 2500 series router - not the 2610 you are having problems with. If you HAD TO "strap CTS high" you would probably try something like this: Both the router and your PC are DTE devices and the rollover is allowing a DTE-DTE communication. Since a DTE normally pulls the DTR signal high once it is ready to communicate, you should be able to "strap CTS high" by soldering the DTR wire to the CTS wire inside the DB-9 connector. I do NOT recommend the above procedure. I have worked with many 2610 routers and have never seen this exact problem but I have seen a number of Cisco devices with dead console ports. Try connecting to the Aux port. You should get a screen and be able to type. If that works you almost surely have a dead console port. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=25208&t=25201 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Console Port Problem - Help ! [7:25201]
Hi Jonathan , Thanks for your reply , I am using the Cisco blue cables and I am also using the Cisco conector on the serial port of my IBM compatible computer with Win98 , I can connect and use other Cisco devices , ie Catalyst 1924 and Cisco 2620 with it and it works fine , ie these devices are accepting my commands , the only prob is with my Cisco 2610 , I have changed everything , ie the PC, the OS , the cable , the connector , and tried it with all combinations , but it is not acepting the input . I am planning to buy a Smart Net package ultimately if it does not get solved , but I wanted to know if there is any solution to this issue , which could have arised to anyone else. But does anyone know how Strap CTS high as mentioned on this page : http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/471/17.html thanks again Navin Parwal ""Jonathan Hays"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Navin Parwal wrote: > > > Hi , > >Iam facing a similar consle port problem as mentioned on this tips at : > > http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/471/17.html > > > > on my Cisco 2610. > > The symptom is as folows : > > Output from the router on the console screen will be seen, but anything > > which is typed in will not be seen > > > > and the solution mentioned is: > > The fix is to have the customer disable hardware flowcontrol or strap CTS > > high. > > > > I have disabled the hardware flowcontrol but that does not solvemy problem > > , can anyone tell me how to strap CTS high as mentioned in the solution as > > i could ot find that option on the Hyper terminal . > > > > Thanks in Advance > > > > Navin Parwal > Hi Navin, > Before you get too carried away, I strongly suggest abandoning HyperTerminal > and > installing any other good terminal emulator. Try Teraterm Pro, which is an > industrial-strength, stable, freeware terminal emulator that is MUCH better > than > HyperTerminal. > > See > http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA002416/teraterm.html > > Hardware-wise, I assume you are using the standard black or blue rollover > cable from > Cisco, right? Are you using the RJ-45/DB-9 adapter from Cisco or a something > else? What > kind of laptop or PC (or other?) are you using? > > In my job at a Cisco reseller I have successfully connected to thousands of > Cisco > console ports (old and new) over the last 3 years and have never even heard > of this > problem. Do other experienced Cisco people see this? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=25207&t=25201 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New York Study Group [7:23580]
Kevin, Could you hook me up too?? Alex ""Kevin O'Gilvie"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > We have one already.. > Just send me ya contact info we will get together.. > > -Kevin > > > > >From: "John C Piedrahita" > >Reply-To: "John C Piedrahita" > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: New York Study Group [7:23580] > >Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:50:02 -0500 > > > >Count me in too! > > > >John > > > >ALFREDO TORRES wrote: > > > > > I would be interested in being part of the cisco study group. > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Philip Jache" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 8:24 PM > > > Subject: RE: New York Study Group [7:23580] > > > > > > > We could start one. > > > > > > > > Philip Jache > > > > Sports Illustrated > > > > 135 West 50th Street > > > > New York, NY 10020 > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=25205&t=23580 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem booting a 3620 [7:25200]
Ken Diliberto wrote: > My father gave me a 3620 for my home lab but I'm having troubles with it. > I've searched CCO but have not found anything useful. Any suggestions? > Here is the output when I try going into the ROMMON: > > System Bootstrap, Version 11.1(7)AX [kuong (7)AX], EARLY DEPLOYMENT RELEASE > SOFT > WARE (fc2) > Copyright (c) 1994-1996 by cisco Systems, Inc. > > *** CPU Out-of-range Interrupt *** > Access address high = 0xa, low = 0xafe0 > PC = 0xbfc09f14, Cause = 0x4000, Status Reg = 0x3041f003 > Failure detected during ROMMON start-up tests. Restart ROMMON. > > System Bootstrap, Version 11.1(7)AX [kuong (7)AX], EARLY DEPLOYMENT RELEASE > SOFT > WARE (fc2) > Copyright (c) 1994-1996 by cisco Systems, Inc. > > Thanks > > Ken The output means nothing to me (not that I've seen everything ;-) But the fact you've been given some hardware suggests to me it has been moved some distance. I would open the box up and reseat any memory modules and look for anything loose. Finding loose stuff happens to me regularly on equipment moves. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=25204&t=25200 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Console Port Problem - Help ! [7:25201]
Navin Parwal wrote: > Hi , >Iam facing a similar consle port problem as mentioned on this tips at : > http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/471/17.html > > on my Cisco 2610. > The symptom is as folows : > Output from the router on the console screen will be seen, but anything > which is typed in will not be seen > > and the solution mentioned is: > The fix is to have the customer disable hardware flowcontrol or strap CTS > high. > > I have disabled the hardware flowcontrol but that does not solvemy problem > , can anyone tell me how to strap CTS high as mentioned in the solution as > i could ot find that option on the Hyper terminal . > > Thanks in Advance > > Navin Parwal Hi Navin, Before you get too carried away, I strongly suggest abandoning HyperTerminal and installing any other good terminal emulator. Try Teraterm Pro, which is an industrial-strength, stable, freeware terminal emulator that is MUCH better than HyperTerminal. See http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA002416/teraterm.html Hardware-wise, I assume you are using the standard black or blue rollover cable from Cisco, right? Are you using the RJ-45/DB-9 adapter from Cisco or a something else? What kind of laptop or PC (or other?) are you using? In my job at a Cisco reseller I have successfully connected to thousands of Cisco console ports (old and new) over the last 3 years and have never even heard of this problem. Do other experienced Cisco people see this? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=25203&t=25201 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: BGP question [7:25130]
What version of IOS is that command in? I am using 12.0(9) and it's not in there. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of news Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 12:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: BGP question [7:25130] I think I got the correct answer On R3, use neighbor ip address local-as AS# Faisal ""Wojtek Zlobicki"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Oops, > > I misunderstood the question... what is the correct answer ? > > > How is this command going to change the AS path list. The require task > was > > that R4 should see the loopback is from AS 200 not AS 100 (which is the > > originator). > > > > Faisal > > > > > > ""Wojtek Zlobicki"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > ""news"" wrote in message > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > greetings... > > > > While practicing for CCIE lab, I encounter a question that is > something > > > like > > > > this > > > > > > > > Topology: > > > > R1 R3 - R4 > > > > > > > > R1 is on AS 100 > > > > R3 is on AS 200 > > > > R4 is on AS 500 > > > > > > > > There is a loopback address on R1 Loopback0 200.200.200.1/24. I am > > > suppose > > > > to advertise this through BGP. Now, in normal case, R4 should see > this > > > > network coming from AS 200 and then AS 500 > > > > > > > > My task is to configure R3 with one statement so that R4 see this > > loopback > > > > coming from AS 200 instead of AS 500? > > > > Any idea how this is done? > > > > > > neighbor R3_LOOPBACK next-hop-self > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance. I appreciate your help. > > > > > > > > Faisal Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=25202&t=25130 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Console Port Problem - Help ! [7:25201]
Hi , Iam facing a similar consle port problem as mentioned on this tips at : http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/471/17.html on my Cisco 2610. The symptom is as folows : Output from the router on the console screen will be seen, but anything which is typed in will not be seen and the solution mentioned is: The fix is to have the customer disable hardware flowcontrol or strap CTS high. I have disabled the hardware flowcontrol but that does not solvemy problem , can anyone tell me how to strap CTS high as mentioned in the solution as i could ot find that option on the Hyper terminal . Thanks in Advance Navin Parwal Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=25201&t=25201 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Problem booting a 3620 [7:25200]
My father gave me a 3620 for my home lab but I'm having troubles with it. I've searched CCO but have not found anything useful. Any suggestions? Here is the output when I try going into the ROMMON: System Bootstrap, Version 11.1(7)AX [kuong (7)AX], EARLY DEPLOYMENT RELEASE SOFT WARE (fc2) Copyright (c) 1994-1996 by cisco Systems, Inc. *** CPU Out-of-range Interrupt *** Access address high = 0xa, low = 0xafe0 PC = 0xbfc09f14, Cause = 0x4000, Status Reg = 0x3041f003 Failure detected during ROMMON start-up tests. Restart ROMMON. System Bootstrap, Version 11.1(7)AX [kuong (7)AX], EARLY DEPLOYMENT RELEASE SOFT WARE (fc2) Copyright (c) 1994-1996 by cisco Systems, Inc. Thanks Ken Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=25200&t=25200 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OT: worst company [7:25033]
Call verisign. The engineers there are fantastic.. You may have just got a BAD reseller,, the same could easily happen with Cisco.. The #1 reason I like checkpoint is flexability.. And easy to manage and easy to manage remote users. Oz Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=25199&t=25033 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Lots of cisco boxes [7:25198]
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Re: C2500 DRAM problem [7:24954]
Good information - Thanks Johan. Managed to get the tests to run and all passed fine. Doesn't explain why I can't get the 12.2 image on. I'm going to mess around with another TFTP server, although I've never had any problems with Pumpkin before. Otherwise I'm running out of ideas, unless anybody does know how to turn off the checksum feature I'll try an older image just to make sure everything goes back on. A(boot)(config)#config-register 0x0 A(boot)(config)#exi A(boot)#wr 0:04:32: %SYS-5-CONFIG_I: Configured from console by console Building configuration... [OK] A(boot)# System Bootstrap, Version 11.0(10c), SOFTWARE Copyright (c) 1986-1996 by cisco Systems 2500 processor with 14336 Kbytes of main memory >T M Memory/Bus diagnostic Starting Address [0x1000]? Ending Address [0xDFF000]? Hex argument for variable tests [0x]? Select Tests [all]? Number of passes to run [2]? 4 Trigger word for hardare debugging [0]? Message Level (0=silence, 1=summary, 2=normal)[2]? Testing addresses between 0x1000 and 0xDFF000 Begin pass 0, test 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 End pass Begin pass 1, test 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 End pass Begin pass 2, test 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 End pass Begin pass 3, test 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 End pass No errors during 4 passes > ""Johan Hjalmarsson"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I had the exact same trouble with the bootstrap memory test, so I searched > the CCO and came up with the following links: > > Bootstrap Program > http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/access/acs_fix/cis2500 > /2505/2500him/76996.htm (Watch the URL-wrap!) > > Bootstrap Diagnostic Tests > http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/access/acs_fix/cisigslr/igsl rhir/22757.htm (Watch the URL-wrap!) > > Seems like you have to set the config-register to 0x0 before useing the > memory test!? > > /Johan Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=25197&t=24954 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Any Ideas For Alternative Internet Route Redundancy??? [7:25196]
Yeah just do this and perhaps a higher metric default to the hq office to get net traffic to go there if the local goes down. Brian "Sonic" Whalen Success = Preparation + Opportunity On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, Dennis wrote: > Why don't you just route traffic to the headquarters over the frame and > internet traffic over other link? This could be done with static routes or > through the use of a dynamic protocol such as ospf. If you require a more > specific answer you'll need to be more specific with the question. Posting > sanitized current configs also helps... > > > -- > > -=Repy to group only... no personal=- > > ""Murphy, George"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Howdy folks, I was wondering if any of you have used any tricks that I > have > > not though of for redundant routing to two internet sources. We have one > > remote office that uses their own ISP via default route but also connects > to > > us over frame relay. Our headquarters has ISP connectivity of its own > which > > "some" of the other remote offices use for access. We have tried to setup > a > > second route with a different cost and OSPF was giving us troubles (not > sure > > what) but we are looking to use another way... Any ideas?? > > > > George Murphy CCNP Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=25196&t=25196 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
VoATM SVC [7:25195]
Is it possible to run VoATM over an SVC? I am running 12.1(3a)T1. TIA, Bill Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=25195&t=25195 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BGP question [7:25130]
I think I got the correct answer On R3, use neighbor ip address local-as AS# Faisal ""Wojtek Zlobicki"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Oops, > > I misunderstood the question... what is the correct answer ? > > > How is this command going to change the AS path list. The require task > was > > that R4 should see the loopback is from AS 200 not AS 100 (which is the > > originator). > > > > Faisal > > > > > > ""Wojtek Zlobicki"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > ""news"" wrote in message > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > greetings... > > > > While practicing for CCIE lab, I encounter a question that is > something > > > like > > > > this > > > > > > > > Topology: > > > > R1 R3 - R4 > > > > > > > > R1 is on AS 100 > > > > R3 is on AS 200 > > > > R4 is on AS 500 > > > > > > > > There is a loopback address on R1 Loopback0 200.200.200.1/24. I am > > > suppose > > > > to advertise this through BGP. Now, in normal case, R4 should see > this > > > > network coming from AS 200 and then AS 500 > > > > > > > > My task is to configure R3 with one statement so that R4 see this > > loopback > > > > coming from AS 200 instead of AS 500? > > > > Any idea how this is done? > > > > > > neighbor R3_LOOPBACK next-hop-self > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance. I appreciate your help. > > > > > > > > Faisal Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=25194&t=25130 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BGP question [7:25130]
I don't know, I am looking for the answer for myself. Faisal ""Wojtek Zlobicki"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Oops, > > I misunderstood the question... what is the correct answer ? > > > How is this command going to change the AS path list. The require task > was > > that R4 should see the loopback is from AS 200 not AS 100 (which is the > > originator). > > > > Faisal > > > > > > ""Wojtek Zlobicki"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > ""news"" wrote in message > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > greetings... > > > > While practicing for CCIE lab, I encounter a question that is > something > > > like > > > > this > > > > > > > > Topology: > > > > R1 R3 - R4 > > > > > > > > R1 is on AS 100 > > > > R3 is on AS 200 > > > > R4 is on AS 500 > > > > > > > > There is a loopback address on R1 Loopback0 200.200.200.1/24. I am > > > suppose > > > > to advertise this through BGP. Now, in normal case, R4 should see > this > > > > network coming from AS 200 and then AS 500 > > > > > > > > My task is to configure R3 with one statement so that R4 see this > > loopback > > > > coming from AS 200 instead of AS 500? > > > > Any idea how this is done? > > > > > > neighbor R3_LOOPBACK next-hop-self > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance. I appreciate your help. > > > > > > > > Faisal Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=25193&t=25130 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DLSW issue [7:25179]
Hi Joe I don't know how this is done but will try to use the prom-peer-default command and see what happens. Faisal ""Joe"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Just wondering how to do point number 5 without using the keyword > promiscuous? Do I use dlsw prom-peer-defaults? > ""news"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Hey guys > > > > I need help on understanding DLSW. > > I can not use the keyword promiscuous any where in my config. > > > > R3 and R2 is connected to Ring 100. R5 is connected to R3 and R2 via > serial > > link. > > > > Task: > > 1. establish DLSW peer from R5 and R3 and R2 > > 2. R5 should choose R2 as a better path to reach Ring 100 > > 3. If R2 is unavailable then R3 should be backup for R5 > > 4. R3 and R2 should establish peer only when there is a DLSW data to sent > > 5. Configure R3 such a way so that if any router is added to the network > > will establish a peer with R3 to reach Ring 100 > > > > Any tips or suggestion on how to configure these? > > > > Faisal Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=25192&t=25179 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: EIGRP [7:25125]
Some books describe the topology table as a compilation of routing tables from all the neighboring routers. Gareth did a good job trying to explain the feasible distance vs. advertised distance thing...there's also a good explanation of this in Ch 1 of the EGIRP Network Design Solutions (Cisco Press) - you may need to re-read it a few times though. Another thing to remember is that the receiving router adds its interface metric to the distance reported by the neighboring router. A router's feasibility distance is its minimum distance to a destination - put another way, the best path to a destination network. A neighbor router meets the feasibility condition if it reports a lower distance than the feasibility distance. As Gareth said, this ensures that the neighbor isn't using a path back through the querying router If a router meets the feasibility condition it is a feasible successor. Clear as mud yet? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hunt Lee Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 4:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: EIGRP [7:25125] Can anyone please help me on this? For EIGRP, I understand that for routing table, EIGRP has kept a separate routing table for each protocol: so it has one for IP EIGRP, another one for IPX EIGRP, and another one for AppleTalk EIGRP. But what's a topology table (show ip eigrp topology)? Also, I have read the BSCN book (by Cisco Press) many many times... I understand that the successor is the EIGRP main route, while the feasible successor is the backup route. but the book states that to qualify as a feasible successor, the next-hop router must have an advertised distance less than the feasible distance of the current successor - also, what's the difference between the advertised distance and the feasible distance? Thanks in advance. Best Regards, Hunt Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=25191&t=25125 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to add external MLS-RP on a CAT 6500 sup. engine? [7:25189]
Why would you have 3 msfc's in one chassis? Seems like a waste of money to purchase a 6506 and fill it with 3 sups to then just use it as a Layer 2 box. Jeff ""Thomas N."" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > My 6506 has 3 MSFCs but they do not do any routing. Instead, the box is > uplink to another 6509 that has MSFCs doing routing. By default, the 6506 > has MLS enabled and uses its own MSFCs as MLS-RPs. How should I exclude > these MSFCs and point the supervisor engines of this 6506 to use MSFCs of > the 6509 as the MLS-RP? The command set on 6500 is not the same as the CAT > 5000. Thanks! > > Thomas N. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=25189&t=25189 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BGP question [7:25130]
Oops, I misunderstood the question... what is the correct answer ? > How is this command going to change the AS path list. The require task was > that R4 should see the loopback is from AS 200 not AS 100 (which is the > originator). > > Faisal > > > ""Wojtek Zlobicki"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > ""news"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Hello, > > > > > > greetings... > > > While practicing for CCIE lab, I encounter a question that is something > > like > > > this > > > > > > Topology: > > > R1 R3 - R4 > > > > > > R1 is on AS 100 > > > R3 is on AS 200 > > > R4 is on AS 500 > > > > > > There is a loopback address on R1 Loopback0 200.200.200.1/24. I am > > suppose > > > to advertise this through BGP. Now, in normal case, R4 should see this > > > network coming from AS 200 and then AS 500 > > > > > > My task is to configure R3 with one statement so that R4 see this > loopback > > > coming from AS 200 instead of AS 500? > > > Any idea how this is done? > > > > neighbor R3_LOOPBACK next-hop-self > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance. I appreciate your help. > > > > > > Faisal Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=25188&t=25130 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Static Routes vs. Dynamic Routes [7:25059]
> If I'm looking at the routing table in a router that I did not configure, > how can I know that a static route is a floating static route and not just a > "run-o-the-mill" static route? > S network/masklength [AD/METRIC] how-connected, where AD is administrative distance by the administrative distance displayed in the routing table: sample routing table: S 10.1.1.0/24 [0/0] is directly connected, Serial 0 S 10.1.2.0 [1/0] via 10.1.20.1 S 10.1.3.0 [200/0] via 10.1.2.1 the corresponding routing statements in the configuration would be ! the default directly connected administrative distance is 0 ip route 10.1.1.0 255.255.255.0 serial 0 ! the default administrative distance is 1 for a next-hop static route ip route 10.1.2.0 255.255.255.0 10.1.20.1 ! when an administrative distance is indicated, it takes its place in the routing table. If the administrative distance is too low, it will override dynamic routing protocols and not 'float'. If there's another exactly matching route in the RT with a lower AD, the static route won't be displayed in the RT ip route 10.1.3.0 255.255.255.0 10.1.20.1 200 > Thx > > Todd Carswell _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=25187&t=25059 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 2500 IOS TFTP Problem - For a change! (sarc) [7:25144]
I had some trouble downloading a new BIG 12.2 image to my 2500. It erased the flash OK and started the download, but rebooted after a few packets. This seemed to be due to a bad DRAM, and when I removed that the download worked just fine. /Johan Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=25186&t=25144 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: C2500 DRAM problem [7:24954]
I had the exact same trouble with the bootstrap memory test, so I searched the CCO and came up with the following links: Bootstrap Program http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/access/acs_fix/cis2500 /2505/2500him/76996.htm (Watch the URL-wrap!) Bootstrap Diagnostic Tests http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/access/acs_fix/cisigslr/igslrhir/22757.htm (Watch the URL-wrap!) Seems like you have to set the config-register to 0x0 before useing the memory test!? /Johan Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=25185&t=24954 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help with Voice over IP over ATM [7:25163]
You need to have VAD disabled in your dial-peers. ""William Lijewski"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I have been looking for what is probably a one line command for about 2 days > now. > > In the lab I am working on you are to do Voice over IP over ATM SVC's. They > want it so if no one is talking it still sends empty voice packets. Right > now if no one is talking you can hear it go dead silent until someone speeks > again. How do you get the empty voice packets to be transmitted so the line > is constantly active even if no one is talking? > > I have looked in the Caslow book, searched the Cisco documentation CD, and > I'm just having no luck. Any help would be great. > > Thanks, > Bill L. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=25184&t=25163 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Any Ideas For Alternative Internet Route Redundancy??? [7:25183]
Why don't you just route traffic to the headquarters over the frame and internet traffic over other link? This could be done with static routes or through the use of a dynamic protocol such as ospf. If you require a more specific answer you'll need to be more specific with the question. Posting sanitized current configs also helps... -- -=Repy to group only... no personal=- ""Murphy, George"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Howdy folks, I was wondering if any of you have used any tricks that I have > not though of for redundant routing to two internet sources. We have one > remote office that uses their own ISP via default route but also connects to > us over frame relay. Our headquarters has ISP connectivity of its own which > "some" of the other remote offices use for access. We have tried to setup a > second route with a different cost and OSPF was giving us troubles (not sure > what) but we are looking to use another way... Any ideas?? > > George Murphy CCNP Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=25183&t=25183 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
compatibility module switching between 2901 5000 [7:25182]
I've read here and on Cisco's website that the 2901 is Exactly a cat5 with sup1 and a ws-5213, this is fine. BUT, I've got conflicting reports from groupstudy posts whether a ws-5213 can do ISL trunking or not, thusly everyone goes for ws-5213a. I can't seem to confirm this on Cisco's website. Can anyone confirm this. And, does this mean the ws-5213 inside a 2901 also can't do ISL, or are there some 2901s with ws-5213a. I've only seen two, and both were just ws-5213. This is off a 2901 1 2 WS-X5009 003973541 1.8 2.1 2.1 2.1(6) 2 12 WS-X5213 003977192 1.0 1.4 2.1(6) Thank you Marcus Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=25182&t=25182 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DLSW issue [7:25179]
Just wondering how to do point number 5 without using the keyword promiscuous? Do I use dlsw prom-peer-defaults? ""news"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hey guys > > I need help on understanding DLSW. > I can not use the keyword promiscuous any where in my config. > > R3 and R2 is connected to Ring 100. R5 is connected to R3 and R2 via serial > link. > > Task: > 1. establish DLSW peer from R5 and R3 and R2 > 2. R5 should choose R2 as a better path to reach Ring 100 > 3. If R2 is unavailable then R3 should be backup for R5 > 4. R3 and R2 should establish peer only when there is a DLSW data to sent > 5. Configure R3 such a way so that if any router is added to the network > will establish a peer with R3 to reach Ring 100 > > Any tips or suggestion on how to configure these? > > Faisal Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=25181&t=25179 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is it really bad market for ccie ? [7:24297]
Hi I agree with you. Even cert like CCIE is getting less and less important for companies. I don't see the hype for CCIE that existed in 1999. I am currently working on it but wonder whether it is worth it yet or not. However, it is still a very difficult exam to pass. It is still very challenging I wrote both version of the test, 2 day as well as 1 day. Let me tell you, 1 day is not better then 2 day test. I found it to be more difficult when I wrote the 1 day lab. Often it become a personal challenge than the worth of cert that drive people from going after this cert. It is still a good certificate and worth getting it. Just look around and you will see there are still very CCIE in the world compare the size of the market. Once market bounce back, demand for CCIE may increase. Because then every company wants to make hire CCIE because CCNP now days is matter of reading book and writing exam. so when companies realize that they will go after CCIE only, atleast it is guarantee that person has hands on. However, the downside is, pay will be like CCNP as well. Well, for me, once (if) I get my CCIE, it will be time to move to Security and then start to think of management? my 2cents. Faisal ""nrf"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Exactly. Anybody can get a job if they're willing to flip burgers, but of > course people who earn the CCIE are going to expect something a little > better than that. That is my point exactly. The CCIE may no longer earn > you much of a premium in the market any more. It's not 1999. > > > > > ""VoIP Guy"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > It certainly dosen't hurt to get a CCIE. The world is never going to > throw > > itself at you, so go out and learn as much as you can and get your CCIE. > If > > you can't get a job with a CCIE, you have other problems. I am just a > CCNP > > and I can get a job. > > > > > > ""nrf"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Here's my thoughts > > > > > > * Yes, I know several CCIE's who are having trouble finding work. And > > yes, > > > I know one guy who has 2 CCIE's (R/S and ISPDial) who is having trouble > > > finding work. For those of you who think it might be due to lack of > > > experience, the guys I am talking about have at least 5 years of > > experience, > > > and the dual-guy has more than 10, including more than 5 at Cisco as an > > SE. > > > > > > * My understanding is that the one-day lab is significantly harder than > > the > > > older 2-day lab. But of course, this might be compensated for by the > fact > > > that the wait list will be shorter (eventually). > > > > > > * I don't know that Cisco has too many CCIE tracks. Right now there are > 3 > > > active tracks. This is like the old days of the program, when they also > > > used to have 3 (R/S, ISP-Dial, WAN) [Note, Ok, in the really old days, I > > > know there used to be only the R/S]. But I remember at one point last > > year > > > or so, there were actually 5 active tracks (R/S, ISP-Dial, WAN, Design, > > > SNA/IP). Now that really was too many tracks. > > > > > > * You're right, why bother (esp. with the R/S)? Sorry guys, I know > this > > > sounds harsh, and I know that I'm going to get flamed for this, but if I > > had > > > to do it all over again, I don't know that I would try to get the R/S. > > > > > > Now by that, let me be clear. There is nothing wrong with learning the > > R/S > > > material. That is always good. Everybody should learn the material > that > > > the R/S guy knows.But as far as doing actual test prep - getting my > > > typing and configuration speed up so that I can set up BGP and OSPF in > 10 > > > minutes, actually paying for the test and travelling to the test site, I > > > don't know that I would put myself through that again unless it was > worth > > > it. Let's face it. This isn't 1998-1999 anymore. Who knows when, or > > even > > > if, things will get better? Particularly when there is probably a much > > > more valuable cert program out there. Which is why I am moving on to > ... > > > > > > * Juniper. I don't think the same market forces hold for Juniper, at > > least > > > not to the same degree. The Juniper market is much less saturated than > > the > > > Cisco market. Consider this - there are about 6650 CCIE's out there, of > > > which probably about 6400 are R/S'ers. Right now there are 20 JNCIE's. > > So > > > despite the fact that the demand for Juniper skills is smaller, I have a > > > very difficult time believing it is 320 times smaller.You can check > > out > > > my old post (7:3485, posted 10/1/01, on Re:Is the CCIE really worth it), > > > where I discuss this subject at length. > > > > > > > > > ""Chuck Larrieu"" wrote in message > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > for those who've never seen one in their adult working lives, yeah, > this > > > is > > > >
DLSW issue [7:25179]
Hey guys I need help on understanding DLSW. I can not use the keyword promiscuous any where in my config. R3 and R2 is connected to Ring 100. R5 is connected to R3 and R2 via serial link. Task: 1. establish DLSW peer from R5 and R3 and R2 2. R5 should choose R2 as a better path to reach Ring 100 3. If R2 is unavailable then R3 should be backup for R5 4. R3 and R2 should establish peer only when there is a DLSW data to sent 5. Configure R3 such a way so that if any router is added to the network will establish a peer with R3 to reach Ring 100 Any tips or suggestion on how to configure these? Faisal Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=25179&t=25179 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BGP question [7:25130]
Hi > > Any idea how this is done? > > neighbor R3_LOOPBACK next-hop-self > > How is this command going to change the AS path list. The require task was that R4 should see the loopback is from AS 200 not AS 100 (which is the originator). Faisal ""Wojtek Zlobicki"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > ""news"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Hello, > > > > greetings... > > While practicing for CCIE lab, I encounter a question that is something > like > > this > > > > Topology: > > R1 R3 - R4 > > > > R1 is on AS 100 > > R3 is on AS 200 > > R4 is on AS 500 > > > > There is a loopback address on R1 Loopback0 200.200.200.1/24. I am > suppose > > to advertise this through BGP. Now, in normal case, R4 should see this > > network coming from AS 200 and then AS 500 > > > > My task is to configure R3 with one statement so that R4 see this loopback > > coming from AS 200 instead of AS 500? > > Any idea how this is done? > > neighbor R3_LOOPBACK next-hop-self > > > > > > Thanks in advance. I appreciate your help. > > > > Faisal Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=25178&t=25130 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ISDN backup will not activate [7:25129]
hi Check wheather u made backup interface configuration. In case if u use serial as primary ,u have to mention BRIS as backup. Hope I understood the question correctly. Regards Siva -Original Message- From: MADMAN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 7:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ISDN backup will not activate [7:25129] Your making it too hard, you don't need the dialer map but you do need a dialer string 1800111. Your not telling the interface where to call. Dave nettable_walker wrote: > 11/2/2001 4:30pm Friday > > Professional's, I would like to get traffic from Paris to use ISDN when the > primary link goes done. > When the serial link goes down the ISDN never comes up. I even added a > static route to send ALL traffic from the ethernet to the BRI and the BRI is > not coming up! I did a clear ip route * to no avail. > > Any ideas ? I am sure it is a "simple" detail. > > Config follows: > > Paris#sho run > Building configuration... > > Current configuration : 1457 bytes > ! > version 12.2 > no service single-slot-reload-enable > service timestamps debug uptime > service timestamps log uptime > no service password-encryption > ! > hostname Paris > ! > logging rate-limit console 10 except errors > aaa new-model > aaa authentication login default local > aaa authentication login NO_AUTHEN none > aaa authentication ppp default if-needed local > enable password cisco > ! > username New_York_City password 0 cisco > username richard password 0 cisco > username kaiser password 0 cisco > ip subnet-zero > no ip finger > ! > no ip dhcp-client network-discovery > ! > ! > ! > ! > interface Ethernet0 > description line to ftp server > ip address 10.0.0.1 255.0.0.0 > ! > interface Serial0 > description line to 2522_router > ip address 170.17.1.2 255.255.0.0 > no fair-queue > ! > interface Serial1 > no ip address > shutdown > ! > interface BRI0 > ip address 172.20.10.1 255.255.255.0 > encapsulation ppp > dialer idle-timeout 900 > dialer map ip 172.20.10.2 name New_York_City broadcast > dialer-group 1 > isdn spid1 > isdn spid2 > isdn x25 static-tei 0 > cdapi buffers regular 0 > cdapi buffers raw 0 > cdapi buffers large 0 > ppp authentication chap > ppp multilink > ! > router eigrp 100 > network 10.0.0.0 > network 170.17.0.0 > auto-summary > no eigrp log-neighbor-changes > ! > ip kerberos source-interface any > ip classless > ip route 10.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 BRI0 > ip http server > ! > dialer-list 1 protocol ip permit > ! > ! > line con 0 > transport input none > line aux 0 > line vty 0 1 > password cisco > line vty 2 4 > ! > end > > Paris# -- David Madland CCIE# 2016 Senior Network Engineer Qwest Communications 612-664-3367 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=25177&t=25129 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is it really bad market for ccie ? [7:24297]
I agree, you hit the nail on the head, it ccie really worth these days, typing is that is tested, 8 hours to prove you know your stuff, lets face it how hard is it to memorise a test and give the questions to the next guy, does the programme today really meet the demand, no, does it really test your knowledge no, does Juniper have any real market share no, like the market stock price for cisco, ccie will follow the same path, down down down, especially now the programme has changed from a great product to one that max's money into Cisco, All of cisco is after revenue annd thats what drives change, cash flow. Dave >From: "nrf" >Reply-To: "nrf" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: is it really bad market for ccie ? [7:24297] >Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 03:14:35 -0500 > >Exactly. Anybody can get a job if they're willing to flip burgers, but of >course people who earn the CCIE are going to expect something a little >better than that. That is my point exactly. The CCIE may no longer earn >you much of a premium in the market any more. It's not 1999. > > > > >""VoIP Guy"" wrote in message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > It certainly dosen't hurt to get a CCIE. The world is never going to >throw > > itself at you, so go out and learn as much as you can and get your CCIE. >If > > you can't get a job with a CCIE, you have other problems. I am just a >CCNP > > and I can get a job. > > > > > > ""nrf"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Here's my thoughts > > > > > > * Yes, I know several CCIE's who are having trouble finding work. And > > yes, > > > I know one guy who has 2 CCIE's (R/S and ISPDial) who is having >trouble > > > finding work. For those of you who think it might be due to lack of > > > experience, the guys I am talking about have at least 5 years of > > experience, > > > and the dual-guy has more than 10, including more than 5 at Cisco as >an > > SE. > > > > > > * My understanding is that the one-day lab is significantly harder >than > > the > > > older 2-day lab. But of course, this might be compensated for by the >fact > > > that the wait list will be shorter (eventually). > > > > > > * I don't know that Cisco has too many CCIE tracks. Right now there >are >3 > > > active tracks. This is like the old days of the program, when they >also > > > used to have 3 (R/S, ISP-Dial, WAN) [Note, Ok, in the really old days, >I > > > know there used to be only the R/S]. But I remember at one point last > > year > > > or so, there were actually 5 active tracks (R/S, ISP-Dial, WAN, >Design, > > > SNA/IP). Now that really was too many tracks. > > > > > > * You're right, why bother (esp. with the R/S)? Sorry guys, I know >this > > > sounds harsh, and I know that I'm going to get flamed for this, but if >I > > had > > > to do it all over again, I don't know that I would try to get the R/S. > > > > > > Now by that, let me be clear. There is nothing wrong with learning >the > > R/S > > > material. That is always good. Everybody should learn the material >that > > > the R/S guy knows.But as far as doing actual test prep - getting >my > > > typing and configuration speed up so that I can set up BGP and OSPF in >10 > > > minutes, actually paying for the test and travelling to the test site, >I > > > don't know that I would put myself through that again unless it was >worth > > > it. Let's face it. This isn't 1998-1999 anymore. Who knows when, or > > even > > > if, things will get better? Particularly when there is probably a >much > > > more valuable cert program out there. Which is why I am moving on to >... > > > > > > * Juniper. I don't think the same market forces hold for Juniper, at > > least > > > not to the same degree. The Juniper market is much less saturated >than > > the > > > Cisco market. Consider this - there are about 6650 CCIE's out there, >of > > > which probably about 6400 are R/S'ers. Right now there are 20 >JNCIE's. > > So > > > despite the fact that the demand for Juniper skills is smaller, I have >a > > > very difficult time believing it is 320 times smaller.You can >check > > out > > > my old post (7:3485, posted 10/1/01, on Re:Is the CCIE really worth >it), > > > where I discuss this subject at length. > > > > > > > > > ""Chuck Larrieu"" wrote in message > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > for those who've never seen one in their adult working lives, yeah, >this > > > is > > > > a serious downturn, and yeah, the economy is bad right now. Don't > > worry - > > > > skilled people can always find work. there are going to be a lot of > > > > structural changes over the next few years. Keep your skills up. >Keep >a > > > good > > > > attitude. Keep reading, and practicing and thinking. > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:30 PM > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTE
