Help needed with 640-901... [7:59712]

2002-12-22 Thread John Will
Hi, I'll be taking the exam shortly. I was hoping someone could help me with
a few questions.

-
q1. Two advantages of using subinterfaces in NBMA topology?
a. ip address space conserved
b. routing protocols avoid split horizon
c. logical interfaces more reliable that physical
d. when subinterface state changes to down, the physical remains up

I know b is one correct answer. I was then looking at either c or d as the
other answer. However I have read somewhere that a subinterface cannot
change its state to down, it always remains up, so long as the physical
interface remains up. My answer: B & C


q2. youre configuring network routers with IBGP. What is true about BGP peer
group in the network?
a. peer members inherit all options of the peer group
b. peer groups can be used to simplify BGP configs
c. peer groups are optional non-transitive attributes of BGP
d. a peer group allows options that affect outbound updates to be
overridden.
e. a common name should be used on all routers because this information is
passed between neighbours

I know A is wrong because you can set attributes per router and these will
override peer group options. B is correct. With C, 'peer group' isnt defined
under the attribute list... so this is wrong. D is wrong as it only allows
options for inbound. E is a little strange as I thought neighbours are
defined by using the 'neighbor' command, not by giving the router a common
name. Well maybe this common name is the name of the peer group defined in
the 'neighbor' command, so maybe
this is correct. My answer: B & E


How is the test in general? What is the duration of the exam?

I noticed that I wasn't able to book the exam at my regular testing centre.
I think this is due to the fact that the 640-901 exam is a flash exam and
required additional software to get it up and going.

Thanks so much for your help.
Cheers,
John


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Re: Finally CCNP! [7:59706]

2002-12-22 Thread Larry Letterman
Congrats John
How are things in austin ?


John McCartney wrote:

>I wanted to say thanks to all who have posted to this board. I don't post
>much but I have learned alot from everyone and it helped me on my journey.
>Next the CCIE, special thanks to Priscilla Oppenheimer whos Troubleshooting
>page helped greatly!
>
>John
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Network Engineer
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Cisco CE590 issue! [7:59714]

2002-12-22 Thread Magdy H. Ibrahim
Hi all,
I really looking for someone who can help me in this issue,
I have a client I installed cisco ce590 on his site and the CE590 works
properly saving rate is about 39%.
When I checked its contents by requesting a homepage when the CE connected
to the internet and I disconnect my main router and rerequest the same
homepage I get an error on my browser tells me this page cannot be
displayed...
by logic it will display on my browser, because it's already cached on the
CE... Is that true???
and if Yes, what must be the problem when I disconnect the main router and
request site already cached but my browser give this page cannot be
displayed?
I faced this problem and I do not know how to fix it...

Please help me

thanx

Magdy




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Does anybody have the wireless Cisco Distance Calculation [7:59715]

2002-12-22 Thread Dennis Laganiere
The Cisco Distance Calculation sheet is mentioned in the requirements for the
wireless design exam, but I can't find a reference on the CCO.  I was hoping
somebody on the list might have a copy or URL, so I could know what they're
talking about.

Thanks...

--- Dennis




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RE: Does anybody have the wireless Cisco Distance Calculation [7:59716]

2002-12-22 Thread Vicuna, Mark
Hi Dennis,

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/102/us-calc.xls

is what I think you are after?

HTH,
Mark.

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[7:59715]


The Cisco Distance Calculation sheet is mentioned in the requirements
for the
wireless design exam, but I can't find a reference on the CCO.  I was
hoping
somebody on the list might have a copy or URL, so I could know what
they're
talking about.

Thanks...

--- Dennis




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RE: E1 back to back connection [7:59600]

2002-12-22 Thread Deepak N
Hi Liu
  Thanks. 
 I tried with this cable but it didnt work. Infact this works for T1
csu/dsu. But here i am using NM-2CE1B on both ends which has DB-15 female.
This NM should be supported by external CSU/DSU. But i am trying to connect
without csu/dsu for cross connection. I have DB-15 male to RJ-45 cables. I
tried cross connecting them,using cross cable in between the extenders. but
didnt work.
 any idea of DB-15 male to DB-15 male connector for cross connection.IF such
a cable is availble could anyone give me the details of the cable so that i
can buy one for my testing E1 connection.

Regards
Deepak


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RE: SPAN on a 6006 [7:59373]

2002-12-22 Thread David Vital
sorry to take so long to get back.  Took some time off  I believe that if
you are trying to span more than one port at a time, you have to put those
ports in the same VLAN and span the whole VLAN.  of course, by this point
you probably figured this out already.

good luck

David


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RE: NP-2C ??? [7:59603]

2002-12-22 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Nemeth)
On May 12, 11:49am, "Daniel Cotts" wrote:
}
} So I went to the bottom drawer of my file cabinet and pulled out an Oct '96
} print catalog ... also checked a July '98.
} The photo matches a one port ATM DS3/E3 module. NP-1A-DS3 or NP-1A-E3. The
} seller might have fudged a part number with 2C for two coax connectors??

 I suspect they did.

} HTH

 It does.  Thanks.

} > -Original Message-
} > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Nemeth)
} > Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 7:38 AM
} > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
} > 
} > There was an auction on eBay recently for a Cisco 4700 with NP-2E
} > and NP-2C.  The picture shows a card with two coax connectors.  I've
} > never heard of an NP-2C before and it wasn't listed in the Quick
} > Reference Guide that I looked in.  Does anybody know what it is?  I'm
} > guessing that it might be a DS3 interface.  The auction number is
} > 2081362264.
} 
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RE: NP-2C ??? [7:59603]

2002-12-22 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Nemeth)
On May 12,  9:59am, "Black Jack" wrote:
} [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Nemeth) wrote:
} > 
} > There was an auction on eBay recently for a Cisco 4700 with NP-2E
} > and NP-2C.  The picture shows a card with two coax connectors. I've
} > never heard of an NP-2C before and it wasn't listed in the Quick
} > Reference Guide that I looked in.  Does anybody know what it is?  I'm
} > guessing that it might be a DS3 interface.  The auction number is
} > 2081362264.
}
} Look like the ATM Network Processor Module With E3/DS-3 PLIM 

 Yeah, that is probably it.  I figured it would be some kind of
DS-3 interface, since that is the only kind of interface that I could
come up with that would use two coax connectors.  There was 10Base2,
but I don't know of any Cisco router that supported it.

} Pretty good deal on this I'd say. Did you buy it? Has anyone else noticed

 Yep.  However, I've seen other 4[57]00 routers with more useful
interfaces in the same price range.

 No, I didn't buy it.  Unfortunately, I'm a little short on play
money right now.  But, I did get a screaming deal on a 2515 (dual token
ring) for $66US.  Now I really have to concentrate on ethernet
equipment and probably something that can do both.

} the eBay router prices have fallen significantly lately? Good news for
those
} of us trying to build labs on the cheap.

 But, not if you ever plan on reselling it.  When I first started
getting equipment from eBay, I got two 2502s which cost me $375US and
$400US.  Now, $150US would be top-end for them.  Luckily, I don't have
any plans to sell my lab equipment in the near future.

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Re: CCIE Vs. BS or MS dergree [7:59481]

2002-12-22 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
At 7:10 PM + 12/21/02, nrf wrote:
>The thing about comparing degrees to certs is that they aren't totally
>comparable because they serve different purposes.  The degree is designed to
>teach you general knowledge - basically to teach you how to think.

and pass academic tests.  Outside the sciences and engineering, 
there's a tendency, fortunately not universal, for the professor to 
want answers that agree with her or his particular viewpoint. I've 
had some, however, that would give you an A on a paper that tore 
apart their viewpoint, but did it logically, according to the 
academic rules.

>
>Let's face it.  The vast majority of college graduate use very little of
>what they actually learned in college.  How many English majors really get
>jobs where they do critical analyses of Elizabethan poetry?

Perhaps not Elizabethan, but you do bring up the interesting 
possibility that some of the Cisco test writers' language skill comes 
from Old English.  Other languages are possible, though.  I remember 
some documentation on OSPF demand circuits that were, at best, a 
word-by-word translation of Old High Norse, Heian Period Court 
Japanese, or Klingon into modern English.

I knew the developer and knew he didn't write like that.  To figure 
out what the documentation was saying, I reviewed the RFC, tried some 
commands, and did drop a note to the guy that wrote the code.

If his code was like that writing, it wasn't what we usually 
deprecate as "spaghetti code."  It was code made of stale g'agh.

>   How many math
>majors really spend the rest of their lives doing proofs and theorems?  Yes,
>there are some (particularly those who choose careers in academia) but they
>are in the minority.  The majority go into the working world and take jobs
>that have very little association with whatever they studied.
>
>But that's not really the point.  Unless you really are going to be a
>professor, the goal of an English degree is not so that you can memorize
>Chaucer.  The goal is to provide you with a solid grounding of general
>knowledge and training in critical thinking and creativity - skills that
>improve your productivity as a worker.

This is a valid point.  There are ways to show critical thinking and 
creativity, with demonstrable experience being a start. 
Participating in engineering and computer science forums (societies 
like ACM and IEEE, organizations like IETF and NANOG) is another way 
to establish a reputation, as well as speaking at trade shows/local 
professional meetings and publishing in the trade press or more 
formal media.

This IS an area where you can do something on your own, if you take 
the initiative.

>
>Certs, on the other hand, make no bones about trying to provide you with a
>broad education.  Certs are designed, ideally, to measure your knowledge of
>specific skills.  Period.
>
>As stated by someone else on this thread, the CCIE may prove to be valuable
>in the network engineering profession, but has essentially zero value in any
>other profession.

And a fairly specific part of network engineering, which is Cisco 
enterprise support oriented.  As currently defined, it has relatively 
little relevance to ISPs, and doesn't test large-scale design skills.

>For example, you can't get your CCIE and then decide you
>wanna be an investment banker.But you can do that with an MBA.




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ccie written quiz tests [7:59721]

2002-12-22 Thread ip_telephone
Hello All,

Looking for some recommendations on which quiz tests
to buy for the above exam
Boson has been recommended often, and they have three
different testsshould just 1 out of 3 be a good
bet?

also, any free quiz tests out there that anyone knows
of...

Thanks.


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RE: New to vlans...HELP [7:59655]

2002-12-22 Thread Cisco Newbie
Thanks for your reply.  Can you or someone please give me an example of what
the following would look like configured on the switch?
1.  The server port be a member of 2 vlans 
2.  The same server port configured for tagging 
3.  The 2 DSLAM ethernet ports (UPLINK and MNGT) be configured as an
untagged member of the vlan
Thanks. 
Dave

 

 s vermill  wrote:
Me Morpheus wrote:
> 
> Hello. I am new to the list and glad I found it. I am just
> starting out with vlans and I need some clarification. Can
> someone clarify the following statement:
> 
> I have the following layout:
> 
> I have 1 DSLAM with 2 ethernet ports (UPLINK and MNGT) that are
> both going into a Cisco 2650 switch. The switch is supposed to
> have 2 vlans, (A and B). I also have a server that is connected
> to this switch. The requirement that was told to me was that
> the port connected to the server must be a member of both VLANs
> and traffic sent from this port must be tagged (for both
> vlans). The port connected to the UPLINK port must be an
> untagged member of one of the VLANs. The port connected to the
> MGMT port must be an untagged member of the other VLAN.
> 
> I am interested to know about what it means to have a port be
> part of an untagged vlan and what it means to have traffic
> coming in from a port be tagged for both vlans?

Essentially you're dealing with the difference between access ports and
trunk ports. An access port is what you would typically connect a PC to. 
No VLAN tags are appended onto or inserted into the layer 2 frames. A trunk
port would typically be found between switches or between a switch and a
router. VLAN tags are used to differentiate the traffic. Having said all
of that, some NICs are dot1q enabled. That must be the case where your
server is concerned.

> 
> Can someone answer these question and preferrably post an
> example that would show me what it means?

I can't think of any example that would be more illustrative than your own
above. VLANs aren't terribly difficult once you get the basics. But
keeping in mind where the traffic jumps layers will be critical when you
start dealing with a lot of layer 2 / layer 3 boxes.

> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Dave
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RE: campus LAN Design w/DHCP Server [7:59724]

2002-12-22 Thread s vermill
Priscilla,

Well, it’s been an interesting project.  Unfortunately, the DHCP server app
that I wound up trying (Vicomsoft) was so buggy that I couldn’t keep it from
crashing.  Even when it was running, it was highly, highly unstable. 
Granted, it was a demo, but I would think a demo would have basic
functionality.

Furthermore, I couldn’t get into the console port of the 2900XL.  Tried
everything.  The darned port is fried.

So…here is what I came up with:


   2621
|
|  <--100Mb/s dot1q trunk
|
 Foundry Networks switch
  |  |
  |  |  <--100Mb/s access ports
  |  |
  DHCP Serv  DHCP Client


The 2621, with 64M of memory and 8M of flash, is running 12.1-18 IP Plus.  I
don’t know much about the Foundry switch.  It was straight out of the box
just yesterday.  I configured it with a dot1q trunk to the router, an access
port in vlan 100 (192.168.1.0/24), and an access port in vlan 200
(192.168.2.0/24).  The server (192.168.1.100) was attached to VLAN 100 and
the client (192.168.2.?) to vlan 200.  The router subinterfaces were the .1
address.  Subinterface F0/0.2 had an IP helper address of 192.168.1.100.

On a couple of occasions I moved the client to vlan 100.  The server did
actually work two or three times with a local client.  It never once worked
with a non-local client.  The good news is that the DHCP Discovery crossed
the vlans via the 2621 and looked to be in pretty good shape:

 Frame 44 (343 bytes on wire, 343 bytes captured)
Arrival Time: Dec 21, 2002 18:01:21.694951000
Time delta from previous packet: 0.721309000 seconds
Time relative to first packet: 40.720429000 seconds
Frame Number: 44
Packet Length: 343 bytes
Capture Length: 343 bytes
Ethernet II, Src: 00:02:fd:1d:c0:20, Dst: 00:08:74:03:77:b5
Destination: 00:08:74:03:77:b5 (Dell_Com_03:77:b5)
Source: 00:02:fd:1d:c0:20 (Cisco_1d:c0:20)
Type: IP (0x0800)
Internet Protocol, Src Addr: 192.168.2.1 (192.168.2.1), Dst Addr:
192.168.1.100 (192.168.1.100)
Version: 4
Header length: 20 bytes
Differentiated Services Field: 0x00 (DSCP 0x00: Default; ECN: 0x00)
 00.. = Differentiated Services Codepoint: Default (0x00)
 ..0. = ECN-Capable Transport (ECT): 0
 ...0 = ECN-CE: 0
Total Length: 329
Identification: 0x0061
Flags: 0x00
.0.. = Don't fragment: Not set
..0. = More fragments: Not set
Fragment offset: 0
Time to live: 255
Protocol: UDP (0x11)
Header checksum: 0x358d (correct)
Source: 192.168.2.1 (192.168.2.1)
Destination: 192.168.1.100 (192.168.1.100)
User Datagram Protocol, Src Port: bootps (67), Dst Port: bootps (67)
Source port: bootps (67)
Destination port: bootps (67)
Length: 309
Checksum: 0xde84 (correct)
Bootstrap Protocol
Message type: Boot Request (1)
Hardware type: Ethernet
Hardware address length: 6
Hops: 1
Transaction ID: 0xcb4d080c
Seconds elapsed: 17250
Bootp flags: 0x8000 (Broadcast)
1...    = Broadcast flag: Broadcast
.000    = Reserved flags: 0x
Client IP address: 0.0.0.0 (0.0.0.0)
Your (client) IP address: 0.0.0.0 (0.0.0.0)
Next server IP address: 0.0.0.0 (0.0.0.0)
Relay agent IP address: 192.168.2.1 (192.168.2.1)
Client hardware address: 00:06:5b:e4:d3:97
Server host name not given
Boot file name not given
Magic cookie: (OK)
Option 53: DHCP Message Type = DHCP Discover
Unknown Option Code: 251 (1 bytes)
Option 61: Client identifier
Hardware type: Ethernet
Client hardware address: 00:06:5b:e4:d3:97
Option 50: Requested IP Address = 192.168.1.2
Option 12: Host Name = "laprmccarverGFE"
Option 60: Vendor class identifier = "MSFT 5.0"
Option 55: Parameter Request List
1 = Subnet Mask
15 = Domain Name
3 = Router

Notice the relay agent address of 192.168.2.1.  That bodes well.  However,
for some reason, this was the response:

Frame 45 (70 bytes on wire, 70 bytes captured)
Arrival Time: Dec 21, 2002 18:01:21.69501
Time delta from previous packet: 0.59000 seconds
Time relative to first packet: 40.720488000 seconds
Frame Number: 45
Packet Length: 70 bytes
Capture Length: 70 bytes
Ethernet II, Src: 00:08:74:03:77:b5, Dst: 00:02:fd:1d:c0:20
Destination: 00:02:fd:1d:c0:20 (Cisco_1d:c0:20)
Source: 00:08:74:03:77:b5 (Dell_Com_03:77:b5)
Type: IP (0x0800)
Internet Protocol, Src Addr: 192.168.1.100 (192.168.1.100), Dst Addr:
192.168.2.1 (192.168.2.1)
Version: 4
Header length: 20 bytes
Differentiated Services Field: 0x00 (DSCP 0x00: Default; ECN: 0x00)
 00.. = Differentiated Services Codepoint: Default (0x00)
 ..0. = ECN-Ca

Re: Routers multicast address 224.0.0.2 ?! [7:59609]

2002-12-22 Thread bi.s
Mohannad Khuffash wrote:
> Hi ...
> 
> I have tried to configure HSRP on two 3660 routers, I configured them
> straight forward where only a little commands needed.But HSRP don't worked
> well ! The reason simply was that they are not seeing the HSRP hello
> messages so every one act as the active one ! When I checked the problem
> more, I discovered that both of them are not seeing the 224.0.0.2 messages
> by using the SHOW IP INTERFACE command where none of the interfaces of the
> two routers are joined for this multicast group !
> My question now is how I can make them joined to 224.0.0.2 which should be
> the default configuration ? Or may be I'm wrong in my investigation ?!
> 

hi,

try "show standby", maybe this will help you.

hth
-bis




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Re: CCIE Vs. BS or MS dergree [7:59481]

2002-12-22 Thread Steve Dispensa
> >As stated by someone else on this thread, the CCIE may prove to be
valuable
> >in the network engineering profession, but has essentially zero value in
any
> >other profession.
> 
> And a fairly specific part of network engineering, which is Cisco 
> enterprise support oriented.  As currently defined, it has relatively 
> little relevance to ISPs, and doesn't test large-scale design skills.

Agreed.  I was always disappointed with this aspect of the cert.  I
realize it's hard to simulate Internet routing in a lab, but at least
the design principles could have been covered.  Also, my R&S CCIE didn't
cover access at all.  There was a CCIE Dial for that, but it wouldn't
have hurt to at least addresss the issues a bit.

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Re: New to vlans...HELP [7:59655]

2002-12-22 Thread Munit Singla
Hi,
see the nic card should itself support itself be dot1q enabled.If it is just
go into the
properties and confgure it for different vlans.but this is not the optimzed
sol since
broadcast effectting one vlan will affect the server.this server will recive
all the
brodcasts,multicasts and unknown packets.so It can be reduce the performance
of server
too.Its best you introduce some other layer 3 device for Vlan routing.
Moreover Please search on cisco site so that you may clear before hand
asking for
doubts,I mean to say then you can focus on the problem more by that way.
Cheers


Cisco Newbie wrote:

> Thanks for your reply.  Can you or someone please give me an example of
what
> the following would look like configured on the switch?
> 1.  The server port be a member of 2 vlans
> 2.  The same server port configured for tagging
> 3.  The 2 DSLAM ethernet ports (UPLINK and MNGT) be configured as an
> untagged member of the vlan
> Thanks.
> Dave
>
>
>
>  s vermill  wrote:
> Me Morpheus wrote:
> >
> > Hello. I am new to the list and glad I found it. I am just
> > starting out with vlans and I need some clarification. Can
> > someone clarify the following statement:
> >
> > I have the following layout:
> >
> > I have 1 DSLAM with 2 ethernet ports (UPLINK and MNGT) that are
> > both going into a Cisco 2650 switch. The switch is supposed to
> > have 2 vlans, (A and B). I also have a server that is connected
> > to this switch. The requirement that was told to me was that
> > the port connected to the server must be a member of both VLANs
> > and traffic sent from this port must be tagged (for both
> > vlans). The port connected to the UPLINK port must be an
> > untagged member of one of the VLANs. The port connected to the
> > MGMT port must be an untagged member of the other VLAN.
> >
> > I am interested to know about what it means to have a port be
> > part of an untagged vlan and what it means to have traffic
> > coming in from a port be tagged for both vlans?
>
> Essentially you're dealing with the difference between access ports and
> trunk ports. An access port is what you would typically connect a PC to.
> No VLAN tags are appended onto or inserted into the layer 2 frames. A trunk
> port would typically be found between switches or between a switch and a
> router. VLAN tags are used to differentiate the traffic. Having said all
> of that, some NICs are dot1q enabled. That must be the case where your
> server is concerned.
>
> >
> > Can someone answer these question and preferrably post an
> > example that would show me what it means?
>
> I can't think of any example that would be more illustrative than your own
> above. VLANs aren't terribly difficult once you get the basics. But
> keeping in mind where the traffic jumps layers will be critical when you
> start dealing with a lot of layer 2 / layer 3 boxes.
>
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Dave
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Re: Finally CCNP! [7:59706]

2002-12-22 Thread John McCartney
Hi Larry. Things are slowly coming to life. I have an interview this week
and some other calls are starting to roll in. Hoping that Jan will get the
ball rolling. Thanks for the kudos.


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Re: ISL & 802.1q in one switch [7:59512]

2002-12-22 Thread Mark Johnson
Yes, it is possible...  It is dependant upon the type of switch you are
using...  If it is a 3550, 2950, 4000, etc... You would do

switchport mode trunk
switchport trunk encapsulation (dot1q or isl)

This is off the top of my head, so verify the exact syntax...  

Not all switches support both so you will need to check your hardware and
software...

Mark
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Subject: ISL & 802.1q in one switch [7:59512]

> 
> Hi folks,

Does anybody have experience with using ISL en 802.1q within the same
switch. I have ISL trunk between my access and distribution layer. Now I
want to connect a firewall on my access switch with 802.1q trunking
protocol. Is it possible? if the answer is YES, should I change anything
in
my configuration? My firewall talks 802.1q with the access switch and the
vlan's should go from access to distribution switch which talk ISL.

thanks,
Mehrdad




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problem regarding redundancy of inf [7:59730]

2002-12-22 Thread Munit Singla
Hi guys,

Sorry if this question is too amateurish, but I am clueless on how to
solve this problem.

The story is like this - I have a 7204VXR router connected to a 45 Mbps
satellite downlink via a HSSI interface. I have a PA-2FE-TX module on
the router and currently Fa1/0 (IP: 10.1.1.254) is connected to Server A
(IP: 10.1.1.1). Traffic coming in from the satellite is being routed to
Server A.

There is a default ip route which goes like this:

ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 10.1.1.1

There are access-lists implemented on Fa1/0 such that only certain ports
are being permitted to be routed to Server A.

The question: I would like to make use of the other FE port and
implement another set of different access rules such that the traffic
from the satellite will also go to Server B (IP: 10.2.2.2). The problem
is traffic is only flowing to the Fa1/0 interface, and not onto the
other Fa1/1 interface. How could I have two streams of data duplicated
out onto the two interfaces? Some guy Ive asked mentioned something
about IRB. Is this correct?

Basically if this is a switch, I could think of doing a SPAN where the
satellite downstream is being replicated onto 2 FE ports. How could I
achieve this on a router?

Thanks for any suggestions. Appreciated it.




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RE: ISL & 802.1q in one switch [7:59512]

2002-12-22 Thread John Brandis
I noticed that on my 4006, I could only have isl enabled on the first 2 gige
ports. It took me 2 calls to tac to wor this out, by default all were
dot1q..

Hope this helps..

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Yes, it is possible...  It is dependant upon the type of switch you are
using...  If it is a 3550, 2950, 4000, etc... You would do

switchport mode trunk
switchport trunk encapsulation (dot1q or isl)

This is off the top of my head, so verify the exact syntax...  

Not all switches support both so you will need to check your hardware and
software...

Mark
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> 
> Hi folks,

Does anybody have experience with using ISL en 802.1q within the same
switch. I have ISL trunk between my access and distribution layer. Now I
want to connect a firewall on my access switch with 802.1q trunking
protocol. Is it possible? if the answer is YES, should I change anything in
my configuration? My firewall talks 802.1q with the access switch and the
vlan's should go from access to distribution switch which talk ISL.

thanks,
Mehrdad
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Re: ISL & 802.1q in one switch [7:59512]

2002-12-22 Thread Darren Ward
I've done exactly this on the 2900 and 4000 platforms but as discussed
only certain cards for the 4000 support ISL.

The reason i used it was ISL to the routers and dot1q to clients.

This is because on a router sub-interface SNMP ID's are only created for
ISL so in order to monitor individual subints on the router it had to be
ISL.

Otherwise everywhere else we use standards dot1q.

Darren Ward
(PGradCS, CCIE #8245, SCSA, CCDP, MCP)


On Sun, 22 Dec 2002, Mark Johnson wrote:

> Yes, it is possible...  It is dependant upon the type of switch you are
> using...  If it is a 3550, 2950, 4000, etc... You would do
>
> switchport mode trunk
> switchport trunk encapsulation (dot1q or isl)
>
> This is off the top of my head, so verify the exact syntax...
>
> Not all switches support both so you will need to check your hardware and
> software...
>
> Mark
> ---Original Message---
> From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
> Sent: 12/19/02 04:09 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: ISL & 802.1q in one switch [7:59512]
>
> >
> > Hi folks,
>
> Does anybody have experience with using ISL en 802.1q within the same
> switch. I have ISL trunk between my access and distribution layer. Now I
> want to connect a firewall on my access switch with 802.1q trunking
> protocol. Is it possible? if the answer is YES, should I change anything
> in
> my configuration? My firewall talks 802.1q with the access switch and the
> vlan's should go from access to distribution switch which talk ISL.
>
> thanks,
> Mehrdad




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RE: RE: campus LAN Design w/DHCP Server [7:59724]

2002-12-22 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
Thanks Scott! It does bode well, despite the weird Dest Unreachable (Port
Unreachable) from the server.

Thanks again.

Priscilla

s vermill wrote:
> 
> Priscilla,
> 
> Well, it’s been an interesting project.  Unfortunately, the
> DHCP server app that I wound up trying (Vicomsoft) was so buggy
> that I couldn’t keep it from crashing.  Even when it was
> running, it was highly, highly unstable.  Granted, it was a
> demo, but I would think a demo would have basic functionality.
> 
> Furthermore, I couldn’t get into the console port of the
> 2900XL.  Tried everything.  The darned port is fried.
> 
> So…here is what I came up with:
> 
> 
>2621
> |
> |   |
>  Foundry Networks switch
>   |  |
>   |  |
|  |
>   DHCP Serv  DHCP Client
> 
> 
> The 2621, with 64M of memory and 8M of flash, is running
> 12.1-18 IP Plus.  I don’t know much about the Foundry switch. 
> It was straight out of the box just yesterday.  I configured it
> with a dot1q trunk to the router, an access port in vlan 100
> (192.168.1.0/24), and an access port in vlan 200
> (192.168.2.0/24).  The server (192.168.1.100) was attached to
> VLAN 100 and the client (192.168.2.?) to vlan 200.  The router
> subinterfaces were the .1 address.  Subinterface F0/0.2 had an
> IP helper address of 192.168.1.100.
> 
> On a couple of occasions I moved the client to vlan 100.  The
> server did actually work two or three times with a local
> client.  It never once worked with a non-local client.  The
> good news is that the DHCP Discovery crossed the vlans via the
> 2621 and looked to be in pretty good shape:
> 
>  Frame 44 (343 bytes on wire, 343 bytes captured)
> Arrival Time: Dec 21, 2002 18:01:21.694951000
> Time delta from previous packet: 0.721309000 seconds
> Time relative to first packet: 40.720429000 seconds
> Frame Number: 44
> Packet Length: 343 bytes
> Capture Length: 343 bytes
> Ethernet II, Src: 00:02:fd:1d:c0:20, Dst: 00:08:74:03:77:b5
> Destination: 00:08:74:03:77:b5 (Dell_Com_03:77:b5)
> Source: 00:02:fd:1d:c0:20 (Cisco_1d:c0:20)
> Type: IP (0x0800)
> Internet Protocol, Src Addr: 192.168.2.1 (192.168.2.1), Dst
> Addr: 192.168.1.100 (192.168.1.100)
> Version: 4
> Header length: 20 bytes
> Differentiated Services Field: 0x00 (DSCP 0x00: Default;
> ECN: 0x00)
>  00.. = Differentiated Services Codepoint: Default
> (0x00)
>  ..0. = ECN-Capable Transport (ECT): 0
>  ...0 = ECN-CE: 0
> Total Length: 329
> Identification: 0x0061
> Flags: 0x00
> .0.. = Don't fragment: Not set
> ..0. = More fragments: Not set
> Fragment offset: 0
> Time to live: 255
> Protocol: UDP (0x11)
> Header checksum: 0x358d (correct)
> Source: 192.168.2.1 (192.168.2.1)
> Destination: 192.168.1.100 (192.168.1.100)
> User Datagram Protocol, Src Port: bootps (67), Dst Port: bootps
> (67)
> Source port: bootps (67)
> Destination port: bootps (67)
> Length: 309
> Checksum: 0xde84 (correct)
> Bootstrap Protocol
> Message type: Boot Request (1)
> Hardware type: Ethernet
> Hardware address length: 6
> Hops: 1
> Transaction ID: 0xcb4d080c
> Seconds elapsed: 17250
> Bootp flags: 0x8000 (Broadcast)
> 1...    = Broadcast flag: Broadcast
> .000    = Reserved flags: 0x
> Client IP address: 0.0.0.0 (0.0.0.0)
> Your (client) IP address: 0.0.0.0 (0.0.0.0)
> Next server IP address: 0.0.0.0 (0.0.0.0)
> Relay agent IP address: 192.168.2.1 (192.168.2.1)
> Client hardware address: 00:06:5b:e4:d3:97
> Server host name not given
> Boot file name not given
> Magic cookie: (OK)
> Option 53: DHCP Message Type = DHCP Discover
> Unknown Option Code: 251 (1 bytes)
> Option 61: Client identifier
> Hardware type: Ethernet
> Client hardware address: 00:06:5b:e4:d3:97
> Option 50: Requested IP Address = 192.168.1.2
> Option 12: Host Name = "laprmccarverGFE"
> Option 60: Vendor class identifier = "MSFT 5.0"
> Option 55: Parameter Request List
> 1 = Subnet Mask
> 15 = Domain Name
> 3 = Router
> 
> Notice the relay agent address of 192.168.2.1.  That bodes
> well.  However, for some reason, this was the response:
> 
> Frame 45 (70 bytes on wire, 70 bytes captured)
> Arrival Time: Dec 21, 2002 18:01:21.69501
> Time delta from previous packet: 0.59000 seconds
> Time relative to first packet: 40.720488000 seconds
> Frame Number: 45
> Packet Length: 70 bytes
> Capture Length: 70 bytes
> Ethernet II, Src: 00:08:74:03:77:b5, Dst: 00:02:fd:1d:c0:20
> Destination: 00:02:fd:1d:c0:20 (Cisco_1d:c0:20)
> Source: 00:08:74:03:77:b5 (

Re: Terminate a session [7:59656]

2002-12-22 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
Steve Dispensa wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 16:01, John McCartney wrote:
> > I'm looking for the deinitive answer on who can terminate a
> session in
> > IP/IPX/Appletalk networks. 
> 
> [my apologies for the long-winded reply]

Great answer. I wrote a long one too, but Group Study swallowed it. I think
it crashed right when I sent my message. ;-) And there's a lesson in that.
One good reason that either side can terminate a session is that either side
could crash!

You covered the TCP/IP world, but I just wanted to add that in the AppleTalk
world we have:

AppleTalk Transaction Protocol (ATP)
AppleTalk DataStream Protocol (ADSP)
AppleTalk Session Protocol (ASP)

Either side can terminate sessions with those protocols, although which side
does depends on the application, which could be Apple Filing Protocol (AFP),
Printer Access Protocol (PAP), Name Binding Protocol (NBP), or Zone
Information Protocol (ZIP). I'm afriad I can't remember which side usually
terminates for each of those, but theoretically either side could.

In the Novell world, sessions happen in the NetWare Core Protocol (NCP) and
NetBIOS over IPX (NWLink) protocols. I think either side can terminate a
session in those cases too.

Terminating sessions happens for many reasons, which is why most protocols
let either side terminate. Some reasons that come to mind:

The client has gotten all the data it wants.
The server has come to the end of the data it wants to send.
The user quits the application.
The user goes out to lunch.
The server goes out to lunch! ;-)
An intrusion detection system notices something weird.

Priscilla

Priscilla


> 
> Well... it depends.  In the strictest sence, all of the
> protocols you
> mentioned are connectionless, so there's nothing to break.  Any
> state
> added is added at the transport layer immediately above.  In
> the case of
> IP, the connection-oriented general-purpose transport layer
> protocol is
> TCP.
> 
> Narrowing it down to TCP/IP (because I have mostly forgotten
> about
> session-related stuff on top of appletalk and ipx and it's too
> late to
> look it up ;)...  TCP is connection-oriented.  Only one side can
> initiate a connection (duh) but either side can break it. 
> There are
> several ways.  Each application protocol defines the way
> connections are
> broken if they spec a connection-orient transport.  Also, TCP
> can break
> its own connections.
> 
> In one common scenario, the client will connect, do its thing,
> and
> initiate the disconnect.  This is the way protocols such as
> SMTP, POP3,
> TELNET, SSH, and most others work.  The "I'm ready to close"
> signal gets
> sent from client to server.
> 
> In one notable exception to this practice, HTTP is often handled
> differently.  The client connects to the server, and the
> server, after
> sending back the full response, initiates the disconnection. 
> Also, in a
> slight warping of the terms client and server, FTP servers
> close data
> connections.
> 
> Also, TCP can close its own connections by sending a RST packet
> to the
> peer.  This is usually done when state gets screwed up, but it
> can be
> done for any reason, really.  It is not the nice way to close a
> connection, though, as it implies an error condition.  Also,
> this can't
> (usually) be done by a program; rather, this is done by an OS.
> 
> Also, I've been imprecise up to now on the meaning of "close". 
> TCP
> connection termination involves a "four-way disconnect".  Each
> end sends
> a FIN packet, ack'd by the opposite end.  Only when all four
> segments
> have been sent/received will both ends consider the connection
> to be
> closed.  There's an intermediate state that a connection can be
> in
> called "half-closed".  This is where one end has sent its FIN
> (and
> possibly had that FIN ack'd by the other side), but the other
> end is
> still sending data.  Programmatically, this is accomplished by
> a call to
> shutdown().  For example, a web browser might send its full
> request
> (something like "GET / HTTP/1.0\r\n\r\n") and then call
> shutdown() and
> wait for the response.  The server would then send back its
> data and the
> client would just be able to ACK, until the server finally
> closes its
> half.
> 
> In a more abstract sense, a connection is just an agreement
> between two
> end systems to communicate together with some operational
> parameters.
> Connections over connectionless protocols (such as IP) require
> additional state to keep things straight - they have to manage
> flow
> control, data integrity, and so on.  People do occasionally
> re-impliment
> the ideas behind TCP using other protocols.  Several routing
> protocols
> implement their own network protocols.  Real-time streams are
> inappropriate for TCP due to its retransmission and segmentation
> behaviors (among other things), but they still maintain the
> concept of a
> connection. 
> 
> You occasionally hear of ATM, Frame Relay, X.25, and kin
> referred to as
> connection-oriented

HSRP and BGP [7:59735]

2002-12-22 Thread Ivan Yip
Hi,

I have 2 routers configured with HSRP and running BGP with single ISP. For
outbound traffic, it will go through the Active HSRP router.

How about Inbound traffic? Can the Inbound traffic be 'load shared'? (The
ISP already make the same preference on our route advertised)

Or the Inbound traffic can only route back to active router link?

TIA.



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Re: HSRP and BGP [7:59735]

2002-12-22 Thread Brian
Usually if you want to distribute inbound traffic between two links with the
SAME isp, you attach both of those links to the same router, create a
loopback ip on that router, and have your provider peer with that loopback
ip.  Putting them on different routers will give you redundancy as opposed
to load sharing.

Brian

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To: 
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Subject: HSRP and BGP [7:59735]


> Hi,
>
> I have 2 routers configured with HSRP and running BGP with single ISP. For
> outbound traffic, it will go through the Active HSRP router.
>
> How about Inbound traffic? Can the Inbound traffic be 'load shared'? (The
> ISP already make the same preference on our route advertised)
>
> Or the Inbound traffic can only route back to active router link?
>
> TIA.




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RE: HSRP and BGP [7:59735]

2002-12-22 Thread Simmi Singla
Hi,
inbound traffic has nothing to do with HSRP.It all depends how your isp is
routing back traffic through bgp.so it means u can load balance on the two
links.



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RE: HSRP and BGP [7:59735]

2002-12-22 Thread Simmi Singla
Hi,
inbound traffic has nothing to do with HSRP.It all depends how your isp is
routing back traffic through bgp.so it means u can load balance on the two
links.
Ivan Yip wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have 2 routers configured with HSRP and running BGP with
> single ISP. For outbound traffic, it will go through the Active
> HSRP router.
> 
> How about Inbound traffic? Can the Inbound traffic be 'load
> shared'? (The ISP already make the same preference on our route
> advertised)
> 
> Or the Inbound traffic can only route back to active router
> link?
> 
> TIA.
> 




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Re: HSRP and BGP [7:59735]

2002-12-22 Thread chris kane
> Hi,
>
> I have 2 routers configured with HSRP and running BGP with single ISP. For
> outbound traffic, it will go through the Active HSRP router.
>
> How about Inbound traffic? Can the Inbound traffic be 'load shared'? (The
> ISP already make the same preference on our route advertised)
>
> Or the Inbound traffic can only route back to active router link?
>

You get back what you advertise out. So if you want some traffic to take one
link and other traffic to take the other link, then you need to advertise it
that way. Let's say you have a /24 netblock. You can advertise the first
half of addresses (/25) out router A and the back half (/25) out router B.
Then, take it a step further by also advertising the whole /24 block out
both. This way, should one link fail, the other will pick up the traffic
initially destined for the failed link. This based off of the longest-match
rule.

Please note - my example uses a /24 split into 2 /25s. Most providers won't
accept (more specifically, won't advertise to their peers) any block smaller
than a /24. There are some exceptions (such as having leased your netblock
from that provider). Ask your provider what their policy is.

Either way, work with your provider to get the advertisements setup
correctly. This is the beauty of BGP. It has all the knobs you need for such
requirements.

HTH,
-chris




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Re: HSRP and BGP [7:59735]

2002-12-22 Thread Ivan Yip
Hi All,

Thanks all your response. 

Now two routers adverise same block /24 to the isp. I found that they are
'load shared' in this sense. Only 1 link is the active for Inbound. For
example, if I download files from outside, inbound is using say link1 and
link2 is idle and no packet coming in. Some time later, I ftp again and this
time is using link2 and link1 is idle.

Is it normal?

TIA.


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Re: HSRP and BGP [7:59735]

2002-12-22 Thread The Long and Winding Road
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> Hi All,
>
> Thanks all your response.
>
> Now two routers adverise same block /24 to the isp. I found that they are
> 'load shared' in this sense. Only 1 link is the active for Inbound. For
> example, if I download files from outside, inbound is using say link1 and
> link2 is idle and no packet coming in. Some time later, I ftp again and
this
> time is using link2 and link1 is idle.
>
> Is it normal?


depends - per packet load sharing versus per conversation load sharing.

with per packet load sharing set up correctly, each packet might take a
different path.

with per conversation load sharing, it is quite easy for this to happen.
lets say that the router to microsoft.com is on your router's route cache
for one link. any traffic to microsoft would take that one link, no matter
how many other links to the internet you may have. later, you go to
redhat.com. the route is not in the route cache, lookups are made, and the
router chooses a different path.

you really need to look at this in detail both on your side and with regards
to what your ISP is doing.



>
> TIA.




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