MSFC Routing
I have two 6506's with MSFC PFC cards attached to the supervisors. I have configured multiple VLAN's on the Switches and a corresponding Interface on each MSFC. I also have HSRP running between the two 6500's. I have assigned IGRP 1 with all the correct networks listed. I have turned on IP routing. One of the VLAN's is called Server Farm, to which the obvious occurs, I have attached servers. I have trunking turned on to the 2924 switch (running Enterprise Code) from each 6500. I have also pruned all VLAN's except the Server Farm VLAN from the Trunk. Problem: I cannot ping from a switch to the server. This is a pre-production setup and though it is time critical, I am not down hard because of it. If someone has great and wonderful suggestions I would greatly appreciate them. Thank You, Daryn P. Bartlett ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Loading IOS
I believe the copy tftp flash should work for this. I am working with a 6500 w/ MSFC PFC right now and that seems to work. Good luck, Daryn -Original Message- From: pinoal [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 6:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Loading IOS Hi , I have loaded IOS on 2600 series router using the tftpdnld command , but this command is not available on the 3600 series . Is there a similar command in 3600 series router that I can use to copy IOS image from tftp server. I want to avoid using xmodem transfer , its too slow . thanks ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Would you recommend a good CCNP training in Seattle ?
Billy, I took the course with GeoTrain / GlobalKnowledge and their instructor. They contracted through Aris corporations in Belvue Washington for the course. I also took this course when it was called ACRC, but it was good none the less. Good luck, Daryn -Original Message- From: Billy Monroe [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 10:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Would you recommend a good CCNP training in Seattle ? Hello: I am about to spend some money on BCSN. Could you please let me know if you have taken a CCNP course in Seattle, WA and let me know if it was worthed. Thanks, Billy BSEE, CCNA, Compaq ASE ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: VLAN.
Gunjar, Yes you can separate broadcast domain's with VLAN's. The process is pretty much what networking is all about. IF you are able to get the Cisco Press book, Cisco LAN Switch Configuration ISBN 1-57870-094-9. The book is well written, easy to follow, and will explain a lot. Good luck networking. Daryn -Original Message- From: Gunjan Mathur [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 10:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:VLAN. Hi, I'm new in this field and working with cisco 2600 router and 1900/2900 switches. Faceing problem of broadcast in my internal LAN of 150 PC's, can this problem is solved by VLAN of swithes, if this is possible can somebody guide me about VLAN or any link from where i can obtain details of that like configurations etc. TIA. Gm __ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: L3 switch that support Gigabit Ethernet
BB, I don't understand why you think the 6500's are too slow. Right now a 6500 will support 32Gb back plane or 15Mpps switching, and with the upgrade coming out later this year it will support 256Gb back plane. That seems awful fast to me. Good luck in your findings. -Original Message- From: BB [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 10:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:L3 switch that support Gigabit Ethernet Anyway, recommandation? Cisco 7500 router and Catalyst 5000/6000 series seems not suitable, as it as very slow backplane and $$/gigabit channel are very expensive. i think it's because it is not designed for gigabit switiching Anyway, I've checked Cat. 4000, it seems oko. But, are there any other suggestions? Thx BB ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: I know that a 5505 would be just the thing...
I would try to go for a 1912 XL Enterprise switch. This will provide you with being able to setup trunking ports, Multiple VLAN scenarios and connections to both routers. They are also fairly inexpensive since they only support 10Mb throughput. Many companies are choosing to upgrade to 10/100 switches (2900 or 3500 series) which provide for greater flexibility and management. Good luck. My lab now contains, 2x2502, 1x4000, 1x1604, and soon (I hope) 2x2924XL -Original Message- From: Lewis, John M [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 4:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:I know that a 5505 would be just the thing... I am looking to get another piece of equipment for my home lab and need some advice. I have 2 each 2501's and would like to add something that I will give me more bang for my buck, as I go after my CCNP. Does anyone have any suggestion? I know that a 5505 would be just the thing, but that is out of my range. Thanks for you help with this matter, and happy studying. John Lewis, CCNA, MC$E ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Career Advice
CCNP 1 year - doable CCIE, if you are working in the field and, forgive me here, not an idiot, within 3 years is definitely achievable. My idea is to work for any company hiring for lots of money so I can build a good lab in my house and practice. A CCIE cert is something you should be able to work on at home, but the company should also be providing a challenging enough environment to assist in this endeavor, if not you are spinning your own wheels. Good luck, Daryn P. Bartlett -Original Message- From: Sammi [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 12:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Career Advice Hi all, I have my CCNA, CNA and MCP-TCP/IP. I've been in the industry for about 2.5 years mostly system admin. The situation at my contract house was conducive to my leaving and really putting forth the effort to start my new direction. I've been trying to get my foot in the door of network infrastructure but no dice, I was offered a job starting Monday if I could install routers solo but I hate making a fool of myself ;-) I'm not discouraged nor bitter but would like my plans evaluated by those in the know. I've been offered another contract admin position that is in 3 month increments. I figure I'll bite the bullet and continue in this role. I'll pick up some more hardware for a home lab (currently working half a dozen machines networked NT). With that equipment and a lot of books I'll pursue my CCNP. With that in mind, a few questions: 1) Does it seem feasible for a reasonably disciplined home student to obtain CCNP within a year? Six months? Is it worthwhile, and again feasible, to pursue CCDA simultaneously (that is, will the material be related enough as to not distract from each other)? 2) Are there specific hardware units which are typically more conducive to my home study goal? Or should I just keep my eye out for used equipment and then evaluate the units as they become available. Up to a thousand dollars (U.S.) seems doable. 3) How best to enter the field. Join a large company, as an admin, with the necessary infrastructure and the hope of transferring to networking? How about Cisco themselves, do they ever take entry level personnel? 4) Finally, and really reaching, say in one year I'm on the network team, achieved my real world experience and certification goals. From that point would it be reasonable to put a 5 year target on a shot at CCIE? Again assuming hands on work and home study. I know CCIE is tops and am wondering if those obtaining such are in the field 5 years, 10, etc. 5) Should I take the aforementioned contract job as admin or hold out for what I really want? I figure I can sit at home for a couple weeks more before going nuts. I realize all the questions can be subjective, just trying to set realistic time frames for my goals. Thanks for any, and all, advice. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: PIX Firewall and 2509 Access Router
I am using a /16 mask. This is a non routed environment as I only have 90 devices. I set it up that way because I wanted some structure. (i.e. servers are 1.0, comms are 7.0, switches are 10.0 and printers are 5.0) My thoughts last night were to set up static mappings for my PIX such that static x.x.x.5 10.100.7.0 netmask 255.255.255.255 (outside port static mapping) conduit permit tcp x.x.x.5 host any (allow all tcp access through outside port) Any thoughts on that. Thanx, Daryn P. Bartlett "Calamari" -Original Message- From: Brad Ellis [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 9:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: PIX Firewall and 2509 Access Router Daryn, Try using different IP addresses other than ones that end in x.x.x.0 That might help. :) -Brad p.s. I hope you dont have any missle codes...lol ""Bartlett, DS1"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I have a 2509 access router with 8 modems attached. This past weekend I installed a PIX 515. Now when users dial-in they receive very slow connections. I tried to ping various Internet hosts and found that 60-80% packet loss occurred. I turned on Debug ip icmp Ran a trace to my server at home and received this message dst (10.100.7.0) port unreachable rcv from X.X.X.190 (home server). 10.100.7.0 is the IP of my E0 interface on the 2509 and it further says sent to 10.100.1.0 -- which is the IP of my inside server. Enlightenment would be greatly appreciated. I have some very angry users who are on the road, including my big boss, an Admiral in the US Navy. Thanx all Daryn P. Bartlett ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Odd responses from List Server
John, It happened to me today. No I don't know how to fix it. I am glad that is was not just me. Thanx, Daryn P. Bartlett -Original Message- From: John Neiberger [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 10:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Odd responses from List Server For two of my recent postings I've gotten a response from [EMAIL PROTECTED] It thinks my posting to [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a set of commands and it's telling me that it doesn't understand any of it. It's happened twice in two days. Anyone else having this odd problem? Anyone know how to solve this odd problem?? :-) Thanks, John ___ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ACRC completed, CLSC????
Cisco LAN Switching by Kenneth Clark and Kevin Hamilton They write the book so it is actually enjoyable to read. It covers a grunch of topics which should come up in the test. I have personally not taken the exam, however I did attend the BCMSN course, and there were many similiarities. Good luck, and good score on ACRC. Daryn P. Bartlett -Original Message- From: Maqsood [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 5:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: ACRC completed, CLSC Hi all, Can any one give me the details of CCDP2.0 exams. I have completed CCNA1.0. Do I need to give CCNA 2.0?? Any other suggestions. rgds, Maqsood Shoaib Waqar wrote: Hello dear fellows, This is my first mail to this nice mailing list. I am on CCNP 1.0 track, and i will try to complete it before 31st july, 2000. This list really helped me to pass my ACRC 11.3 exam today with 863 marks, the passing score was 790. If anyone has any sort of help in giving the exam , he may contact me through my email. Offcourse without a nice text book like Laura Chappel's ACRC 11.3 and official ACRC cisco text book, i might not have completed this certification. Well, my next target is CLSC, can anyone help me out on this, some tips?? any study guides?? as it has no text book at all?. Any comments will be appreciated on this. Thanks Shoaib Waqar Network Engineer B.E.Computer Systems, MCP+I,MCSE,CCNA Karachi, Pakistan Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: BCMSN hardware question
I went to the course and here is what we had. At the core we ran 2x Catalyst 5509 with RSM Distribution we had 4x Catalyst 5005 Access Layer we had 8x Catalyst 1912 All in all a very good class. Good Luck Daryn P. Bartlett -Original Message- From: Steve Kalman [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 1:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: BCMSN hardware question Hi Folks, I'm interested in taking BCMSN. Before plunking down $2500US, I was wondering if anyone could answer a few questions about the course? What hardware is present? The sales rep at one training company said that all students have 1900s and 5500s. Another said that the course has those switches. (Quite a difference!) Another sales rep listed four model number series (1900, 2600, 5500 and 2500). I assume that a router would be helpful, but both 2500 and 2600? Still another sales person said that there would be internal routers (RSM, I presume) and ISLs (inter switch links, probably) and Supervisors (Sup III, I'd hope) but the salesperson had no idea what those acronyms meant. Has anyone gone to this course (better yet, taught it)? Can you advise on the hands on component? Thanks, Steve ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OT: Does Cisco give away training for big $ purchases?
There are ways of making Cisco Gold partners pay for your training. I have a good working relationship with my Cisco Sales Manager and she suggested that after a large purchase is made, convince the Gold or Silver partner that if some training is not apart of the package you will use a different vendor. Get a couple quotes from different vendors to make sure you are not slitting your throat. What the company will do, like Federal Data Corp., they will contact Global Knowledge, and get a certificate for a week long course for which you can redeem for training. The Gold partners make an awful lot of money and an arrangement between companies (FDC and GK) is a lot different than arrangement between customer and Global Knowledge. Once you have your sales or marketing person convinced you will take your business elsewhere you are the winning customer. Just make sure you don't have critical time constraints because this could take some negotiation. Review: Finalize your quote with vendor. Then tack on training coupons, or threaten to go elsewhere. Good Luck, Ciao, Daryn P. Bartlett -Original Message- From: Billy Monroe [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 8:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: OT: Does Cisco give away training for big $ purchases? The company I worked for also spent big US$ on Cisco products: The only training they allowed for Gold Partners were 2 days hands-on that it happened every 3 or 4 months. Knowledge is the real power and they don't give that for free. That's why I think I will have to manage to pay training by myself... ""Stanfield Hilman B(Brad) CONT NNSY"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Ditto! My site just spent 3.5 MILLION dollars on switches and 3 years prior spent 6.2 MILLION on Top of the Line routers. Cisco will give you all kinds of neat toys, (Hats, Shirts, mugs etc.) BUT no training. Both times, our purchase was part of a group order that totaled 15 mil, and 24 mil, respectively. Cisco moved away from the training provider business years back. They will highly recommend any of their training partners though. Brad Stanfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Government Micro Resources Network Operations Control Center Bldg 33 NAVSEA NCOE 757-393-9526 -Original Message- From: Lance Hubbard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 9:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Does Cisco give away training for big $ purchases? Mark, About 9 months ago, I bought $400K worth of Catalyst switches for a project. The people I was working for were one of Cisco's OLDEST and most faithful customers.I tried negociating with my Cisco Rep for a class for each member of my team, but because they entrust their customer technical training to the likes of Globalknowledge, CCTI and CCCI, he couldn't hook me up. Cisco does provide internal training classes, but because of the fact that much of the material used in them is company proprietary, they are usually paraniod about letting outsiders attend. Cheers, Lance From: "Mark Holloway" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Mark Holloway" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: Does Cisco give away training for big $ purchases? Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 10:51:48 -0500 Has anyone here experienced Cisco giving away free training vouchers to corporations who purchase large amounts of Cisco product? For example, at the company I work for I'm in the process of migrating from 3Com LAN/WAN equipment to Cisco. We spent approximately $600,000 on Cisco gear. 3 years ago when we purchased the 3Com equipment they supplied us with "training vouchers" for certified 3Com courses. Has anyone had this happen with Cisco? If so, could you please list the name of your company (if you wouldn't mind).. My local Cisco rep. will provide me with some training if I can let him know who Cisco has done this for in the past. Regards, Mark Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
RE: Working it too hard?
Your DHCP requests are only going to be processed during startup. All the router is going to do is handle a helper address, which means when a station boots up it will send a broadcast asking for an IP. The router sees the request and forwards the packet on as a unicast message. There is no real impact on router performance for such a small task. Beware the idiot users though who insist on shutting down their machine each time something happens. 75 idiots can bring down any network. And remember all our jobs would be real easy if only we could get rid of the users. Ciao, daryn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 9:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Working it too hard? I'm trying to setup a temporary LAN and would like my router to handle DHCP requests. My question is what if I'm asking the router to do too much? I'm using a Cisco 1700 series router with about 75 computers running win98. The 1700 only has 1 static route to another router (no heavy processing like extensive access lists here) and nothing else. Am I asking this 1700 series to handle too much? How many PC's asking for IP's before it craps out? What if I use a 2600 series instead? How many PC's could it handle? If it does crap out what can I expect as a reaction? It just freezing or something more sinister? ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: High collision rate on 2600 ethernet port
I have seen this before when connecting Bay Switches (BlackBox) into our network. We had a packet loss rate of about 30%. When we moved to all Cisco we reduced our loss to about .8% (much better). I was not able to resolve why this happened except to hypothesize that the timing signals between would not synchronize and therefore packet loss occurred. My suggestion is to go with Cisco throughout. -Original Message- From: Ed [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 12:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:High collision rate on 2600 ethernet port I was curious if anyone else had seen this. We have a 2600 with 2 T1's going to other sights. The ethernet port connects it to a Bay 450 10/100 switch. Both switch and router ports are set to 10 / half, but we're still seeing a collision rate of about 19% This seems pretty high to me. Anyone have any thoughts? Here's the port info... show int e 0/0 Ethernet0/0 is up, line protocol is up Hardware is AmdP2, address is 0030.1922.5340 (bia 0030.1922.5340) Internet address is 10.15.28.2/24 MTU 1500 bytes, BW 1 Kbit, DLY 1000 usec, rely 255/255, load 34/255 Encapsulation ARPA, loopback not set, keepalive not set ARP type: ARPA, ARP Timeout 04:00:00 Last input 00:00:00, output 00:00:00, output hang never Last clearing of "show interface" counters 00:49:19 Queueing strategy: fifo Output queue 0/40, 0 drops; input queue 0/75, 0 drops 5 minute input rate 2044000 bits/sec, 356 packets/sec 5 minute output rate 1365000 bits/sec, 334 packets/sec 1091341 packets input, 848224944 bytes, 0 no buffer Received 16001 broadcasts, 0 runts, 0 giants, 0 throttles 0 input errors, 0 CRC, 0 frame, 0 overrun, 0 ignored, 0 abort 0 input packets with dribble condition detected 965919 packets output, 314732326 bytes, 0 underruns 0 output errors, 183580 collisions, 0 interface resets 0 babbles, 0 late collision, 69923 deferred 0 lost carrier, 0 no carrier 0 output buffer failures, 0 output buffers swapped out Ed ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
