RE: WAN degree?
DeVry offers a degree in Telecommunications Management. Look here for more information http://www.devry.edu/f_acad_prog.html Watch the URL those are underlines in what look like spaces. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of jay smith Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 10:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: WAN degree? Hello, I am currently a MCSE/CCNA and I am finishing up my AA degree at the local junior college, and looking to start my 3rd year in the fall. Are there any colleges that offer a Bachelor's degree in networking? I have visited several college websites and it seems that they all offer just Computer Engineering, Computer Science, or Management Information Systems degrees. After reviewing the individual coarse outlines, there appears to be very few classes relating to networking. If anyone can offer there advise on this issue, I would greatly appreciate it! _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Physical Difference Between RJ45 and RJ48
To Daniel Yes, from further research I believe it does have more to do the way the connector is wired and then used rather than the physical shape and size of the connector. To Howard When I saw it in the CFR, I thought that it must relate back to the Carterphone decision and all of the deregulation, but what a strange place to find telecommunications connector specifications. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Daniel Cotts Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 11:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Physical Difference Between RJ45 and RJ48 RJ-48 is similar to RJ-45 except that it has a key on the side of the jack. A RJ-45 plug would fit a RJ-48 jack but a RJ-48 plug would not fit a RJ-45 jack. See the following for a physical view of a keyed plug. http://catalog.tycoelectronics.com/AMP/docs/pdf/6/39/195936.pdf Just checked out an Atran CSU/DSU. Its Network (T-1) jack is referred to as an (USOC)RJ-48C. AMP#555164-2. It is keyed. Having said that, I seem to remember a similar discussion some while back where it was said that the RJ specs referred to usage rather than physical characteristics. > -Original Message- > From: Howard C. Berkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 6:21 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Physical Difference Between RJ45 and RJ48 > > > >"Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> discoevered, > > > > >I may be on to my own answer. I will add the information > here in case it > >comes up again. I have discovered that RJ connectors are > actually defined in > >the Code of Federal Regulations, which seems an odd place to me. > >Specifically at Title 47 Chapter 1 Part 68, which is > available online at > >http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_00/47cfr68_00.html > > Frightening that I haven't thought about this for 25 years or so, but > a bit of history may shed light on why you found these in an odd > place. > > RJ stands for Registered Jack. It appears in US regulatory literature > as a consequence of the 1975 AT&T breakup and other actions such as > the Carterfone Decision. Prior to these, since The Phone Company > owned everything, there was no need for a third-party vendor or for > modularized customer interfaces. With divestiture, however, the > demarcation of responsibility between carrier and customer, or for > third-party equipment to carrier, was needed. > > While the RJ series had quite reasonable applications simply for > wiring, legal pressures made them ubiquitous in the US. > > > > >The relevant information appears to be in 68.500 and 68.502. > I will be > >reading these. If anyone has any other information, please > let me know. > > > >""Ken"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > >93ouel$gnm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:93ouel$gnm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > >> I found one thread in the archives on this general > subject, but it did not > >> entirely answer what I need to know. I need to know what > the difference is > >> between a RJ-45 and RJ-48 connectors. In particular are > there physical > >> dimension differences in the two. I have seen both used > to connect a T1 > >> demarc to a CSU/DSU. But I have been told that the RJ-48 > is slightly > >> different than the RJ-45. As such the electrical contacts > may not reliably > >> match up and cause unexpected connection problems. So is > there an actual > > > physical difference in the two? If so, exactly what? > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct > and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: equipment rack
A U is 1.75 inches high. The 2500 is about 1U. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dennis Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 9:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: equipment rack question: an ad for an equipment rack states that it is 20U. how many cisco 2500's will fit in such a rack. Thanks, _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Type 1 to RJ45 TR Cables
These things are called media filters. You need one that goes from a data connector to RJ45 connector. This sort plugs into the MAU. There is another type that plugs into the DB9 connector on the NIC. I looked around for you, but could only find the ones that go on the NIC, not any that go on the MAU. We will be ordering some of these in the next few days. Email me offline at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will let you know when I turn up a part number. We have a couple of vendors looking for use now. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kevin Welch Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 12:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Type 1 to RJ45 TR Cables Does anyone know a part number or a place that sells IBM Type 1 Token = Ring to RJ45 Connectors. I am trying to connect my the TR port on my = 2612 to an IBM 8228 MAU. -- Kevin _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Which Ethernet Frame Does Everyone Use [7:6179]
I am confused about which Ethernet frame type everyone uses with TCP/IP today. I understand that there are four different types. I see from the Cisco website that they talk about only two of these four. The two they discuss are called Ethernet and IEEE 802.3. The one Cisco calls Ethernet has the following fields Preamble Destination Address Source Address Type Data CRC The one Cisco calls IEEE 802.3 has Preamble Start Frame Delimiter Destination Address Source Address Length Data and 802.2 Header inside the data area as best I can tell CRC Why do they mention these two only? Who uses what? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=6179&t=6179 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Looking for a Reliable Network Journal/Magazine [7:12421]
Try this list. It is extracted from a PowerPoint presentation, which is why the formatting is odd looking. http://www.chipps.com/Periodicals.htm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chuck Larrieu Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 10:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Looking for a Reliable Network Journal/Magazine [7:12421] someone was funnen ya. I used to read a rag called Network Magazine. It has been a while, so I don't have an address or a web site for you. I'm sure a google search will get you there. Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kwame Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 9:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Looking for a Reliable Network Journal/Magazine [7:12421] What does this response mean? ""Robert Hanley"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > --- Adwoa wrote: > > I'm looking for a reliable non-vendor based > > journal/magazine devoted to > > networking. Any suggestions? > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=12494&t=12421 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Stupid question..
Any 10BaseT type Ethernet connection between any two devices without the use of a hub requires a crossover cable. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Roman Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 1:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Stupid question.. Can I plug a PC directly from the NIC to the ethernet port on a 2500 series router? It won't work for me. Router doesn't recognize a link directly to the PC but it does when plugged into a switch. I assume it's a straight vs. crossover thing but from what I was told, you only need a crossover cable when plugging like devices together (ie- router to router, switch to switch, etc.). Any ideas? What I am trying to do is have a pc on the e0 int of one router, feed through a frame relay connection to another router and then out of the e0 int on that router to a switch. Thanks in advance for helping out. Roman ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Bus Topology and Ethernet
On any architecture or topology you must consider the logical layout and the physical layout. Ethernet is logically a bus. Token Ring is logically a ring. Ethernet is physically a bus - as in 10Base5 and 10Base2 - or a star - as in 10BaseT. The bus arrangement of Ethernet makes more sense when you see it physically in a 10Base2 form. 10Base2 is the old style of Ethernet that uses thin coax cable. Token Ring is physically a star as well. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Oscar RauSent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 8:54 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Bus Topology and Ethernet I was reading about network topology and they say that an example of bus topology is Ethernet network. Wouldn't ethernet network be a ring topology due to hub/switch environment? Please correct me where I am wrong. Thank you in advance. Oscar Rau [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What Does RSSI Mean [7:64127]
In my studies for the Cisco wireless test I keep running across the term RSSI - Received Signal Strength Indicator. Is this something different from just the signal strength in dBms as shown by most utility programs? For example in the site monitor part of the Orinoco Gold card it shows the signal right now as -50 dBm and the noise as -98 dBm. So is the RSSI in this case -50 dBm or does RSSI refer to something else the Orinoco site monitor does not measure? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=64127&t=64127 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How Do You Measure a Wireless LAN's Packet Error Rate [7:64129]
While reading Priscilla's book on Campus Area Network Troubleshooting, which is an excellent book that I highly recommend, it and other sources state that the Packet Error Rate should be measured for a WLAN. The problem is I cannot find anything at a reasonable price to use to measure such a thing for a WLAN. For example, I see on the WaveRider web site, they are a maker of wireless equipment, that they have a nice little tool that shows both RSSI and Packet Error Rate. But this is only for their own equipment. Is there a software tool for a laptop that will do this for an 802.11b WLAN? You can more or less do this with Wild Packet's AiroPeek. A tool by Berkeley Varitronics Systems called YellowJacket will also do this. But both of these are expensive. Does anyone know of something less expensive? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=64129&t=64129 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: RJ48-RJ48 cable [7:70596]
RJ-45 and RJ-48 as used for a T1 circuit are effectively the same. As long as the distance is not too great from the demarc to the router, Cat 5 UTP cable can be used. For long distances, shielded UTP is called for. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas N Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RJ48-RJ48 cable [7:70596] Hi All, I am wondering what is the difference between the RJ48 and RJ45 connector/cable? I am setting a router with a integrated CSU/DSU (WIC-1DSU-T1) with a T1 RJ48 connection hand off by the ISP. They however do not provide the cable. Could I make a cable with RJ45 connectors for this? What would be the pinout for both end of the cable? Does the direction of the cable connection matter? It's urgent. Please help. Thanks in advance! Thomas. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=70599&t=70596 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: PIX 501 [7:45544]
I ran into the same problem. So I put this together to document what I found through trail and error and the few books on the subject. Look it over and tell me what you think. The link is www.chipps.com/Firewall.ppt This is a PowerPoint file. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of jb Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 1:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PIX 501 [7:45544] Team, Any good book that will help me to configure my new toy (pix 501) and at the same time be able to learn more about security with Cisco... Thanks, J Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=45577&t=45544 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Catalyst 8540CSR [7:56172]
We have three 8510 MSRs in a lab environment, that we will be using beginning in a few weeks. What kind of problems are you having? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:nobody@;groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Ellis, Andrew Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 6:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Catalyst 8540CSR [7:56172] Hi, Is there anyone out there that has 8540CSRs or MSRs in their network? If so, what version of IOS are you running and are they really problematic? Are you disgusted with them and ready to chuck 'em? -Drew Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=56184&t=56172 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cisco 3640 Router ATM PVC Problem [7:61077]
I am attempting to setup a PVC between two Cisco 3640 Routers connected back to back. The interface is an OC3 card. Whenever I issue the PVC command on the ATM interface it says a PVC is not supported. If I use the ? to see for supported commands for the interface, no PVC command is listed. Is there some software upgrade I need for this? Or is there some other way to conenct two 3640s back to back? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=61077&t=61077 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cisco 3640 Router ATM PVC Problem [7:61077]
I am using a sample configuration from cisco that looks like this First command config t Second command ip routing Third command interface atm 1/0 Fourth command no shutdown Fifth command ip address 10.0.2.1 255.255.255.0 Sixth command pvc 1 32 Seventh command protocol ip 10.0.2.2 broadcast The sixth command is where it fails. It does not recognize the pvc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Newell Ryan D SrA 18 CS/SCBT Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 11:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FW: Cisco 3640 Router ATM PVC Problem [7:61077] What commands are you typing in? To create a PVC the syntax is int atm 1 atm pvc 6 0 106 aal5snap I think you are missing the 'atm' before pvc. There are several ways to hook the 3640s back to back. If they are within fastethernet distance limitations you could use the fastethernet interfaces. -Original Message----- From: Ken Chipps [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 1:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cisco 3640 Router ATM PVC Problem [7:61077] I am attempting to setup a PVC between two Cisco 3640 Routers connected back to back. The interface is an OC3 card. Whenever I issue the PVC command on the ATM interface it says a PVC is not supported. If I use the ? to see for supported commands for the interface, no PVC command is listed. Is there some software upgrade I need for this? Or is there some other way to conenct two 3640s back to back? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=61079&t=61077 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cisco 3640 Router ATM PVC Problem [7:61077]
Thanks for the suggestions from everyone. I will check the software version tonight. I assumed this was the most recent version as we purchased these units only a few months ago, but perhaps not. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Amar Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 1:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cisco 3640 Router ATM PVC Problem [7:61077] lation_guide_chapter09186a00800e4789.html#xtocid39 http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/iosswrel/ps1835/products_command_ refe rence_chapter09186a00800ca7db.html#xtocid5 check the above links, they have the info u need. rgds ""Daniel Cotts"" a icrit dans le message de news: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Here's a config from 11.3. Commands have changed quite a bit. > Note that clocking must be provided on one end. > If the cards are single-mode fiber he might have to attenuate the signal. > > interface ATM6/0 > description Location > no ip address > no ip route-cache optimum > atm clock INTERNAL > ! > interface ATM6/0.1 multipoint (could be point-to-point) > description pvc to Data Center via XYZ fiber > ip address aaa.bbb.7.250 255.255.255.252 secondary > ip address 10.1.19.2 255.255.255.0 > atm pvc 1 0 35 aal5snap > map-group TGN > appletalk cable-range 10119-10119 10119.2 > appletalk zone ATM > ! > > ! > map-list TGN > ip 10.1.19.1 atm-vc 1 broadcast > ip aaa.bbb.7.249 atm-vc 1 broadcast > appletalk 10119.1 atm-vc 1 broadcast > > > -Original Message- > > From: Newell Ryan D SrA 18 CS/SCBT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 2:58 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: Cisco 3640 Router ATM PVC Problem [7:61077] > > > > > > I think your right. I know some IOS versions use the 'atm > > pvc' command. > > So I agreewhat IOS version he is running is a key > > component to know > > to resolve this problem. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: The Long and Winding Road > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 4:30 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Cisco 3640 Router ATM PVC Problem [7:61077] > > > > > > pvc x/y "should" work, which leads me to wonder about your > > IOS version. What > > are you running? what is the image name? > > > > I do not see an "atm pvc" command in the 12.1 command reference. > > > > also you mention something about connecting two 3640's back > > to back via an > > OC3 card? I'm not sure you can do that. someone smarter than > > I will provide > > a definitive answer, I'm sure. > > > > > > > > ""Ken Chipps"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > I am using a sample configuration from cisco that looks like this > > > > > > First command config t > > > Second command ip routing > > > Third command interface atm 1/0 > > > Fourth command no shutdown > > > Fifth command ip address 10.0.2.1 255.255.255.0 > > > Sixth command pvc 1 32 > > > Seventh command protocol ip 10.0.2.2 broadcast > > > > > > The sixth command is where it fails. It does not recognize the pvc. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > On Behalf Of > > > Newell Ryan D SrA 18 CS/SCBT > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 11:32 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: FW: Cisco 3640 Router ATM PVC Problem [7:61077] > > > > > > What commands are you typing in? To create a PVC the syntax is > > > int atm 1 > > > atm pvc 6 0 106 aal5snap > > > I think you are missing the 'atm' before pvc. > > > > > > There are several ways to hook the 3640s back to back. If they are > > > within > > > fastethernet distance limitations you could use the fastethernet > > > interfaces. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Ken Chipps [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 1:40 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Cisco 3640 Router ATM PVC Problem [7:61077] > > > > > > > > > I am attempting to setup a PVC between two Cisco 3640 > > Routers connected > > > back > > > to back. The interface is an OC3 card. Whenever I issue the > > PVC command > > > on > > > the ATM interface it says a PVC is not supported. If I use > > the ? to see > > > for > > > supported commands for the interface, no PVC command is > > listed. Is there > > > some software upgrade I need for this? Or is there some other way to > > > conenct > > > two 3640s back to back? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=61140&t=61077 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cisco 3640 Router ATM PVC Problem [7:61077]
Here it is assuming it makes to through the list Link starts here http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/iosswrel/ps1830/products_feature_ guide09186a00800e9781.html link stops here This is the example I based the lab on -Original Message- From: Newell Ryan D SrA 18 CS/SCBT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 3:22 PM To: 'Ken Chipps'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Cisco 3640 Router ATM PVC Problem [7:61077] You said that you got the sample configuration from cisco. Do you have the link? I would like to look at something. My router supports both 'pvc' and 'atm pvc'. But 'pvc' has no vcd and only can operate with qsaal and ilmi. The 'atm pvc' does have a vcd and can support ilmi, qsaal, and all the atm adaptation layer protocols. Something else to look at! -Original Message- From: Ken Chipps [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Cisco 3640 Router ATM PVC Problem [7:61077] Thanks for the suggestions from everyone. I will check the software version tonight. I assumed this was the most recent version as we purchased these units only a few months ago, but perhaps not. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Amar Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 1:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cisco 3640 Router ATM PVC Problem [7:61077] lation_guide_chapter09186a00800e4789.html#xtocid39 http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/iosswrel/ps1835/products_command_ refe rence_chapter09186a00800ca7db.html#xtocid5 check the above links, they have the info u need. rgds ""Daniel Cotts"" a icrit dans le message de news: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Here's a config from 11.3. Commands have changed quite a bit. > Note that clocking must be provided on one end. > If the cards are single-mode fiber he might have to attenuate the signal. > > interface ATM6/0 > description Location > no ip address > no ip route-cache optimum > atm clock INTERNAL > ! > interface ATM6/0.1 multipoint (could be point-to-point) > description pvc to Data Center via XYZ fiber > ip address aaa.bbb.7.250 255.255.255.252 secondary > ip address 10.1.19.2 255.255.255.0 > atm pvc 1 0 35 aal5snap > map-group TGN > appletalk cable-range 10119-10119 10119.2 > appletalk zone ATM > ! > > ! > map-list TGN > ip 10.1.19.1 atm-vc 1 broadcast > ip aaa.bbb.7.249 atm-vc 1 broadcast > appletalk 10119.1 atm-vc 1 broadcast > > > -Original Message- > > From: Newell Ryan D SrA 18 CS/SCBT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 2:58 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: Cisco 3640 Router ATM PVC Problem [7:61077] > > > > > > I think your right. I know some IOS versions use the 'atm > > pvc' command. > > So I agreewhat IOS version he is running is a key > > component to know > > to resolve this problem. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: The Long and Winding Road > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 4:30 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Cisco 3640 Router ATM PVC Problem [7:61077] > > > > > > pvc x/y "should" work, which leads me to wonder about your > > IOS version. What > > are you running? what is the image name? > > > > I do not see an "atm pvc" command in the 12.1 command reference. > > > > also you mention something about connecting two 3640's back > > to back via an > > OC3 card? I'm not sure you can do that. someone smarter than > > I will provide > > a definitive answer, I'm sure. > > > > > > > > ""Ken Chipps"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > I am using a sample configuration from cisco that looks like this > > > > > > First command config t > > > Second command ip routing > > > Third command interface atm 1/0 > > > Fourth command no shutdown > > > Fifth command ip address 10.0.2.1 255.255.255.0 > > > Sixth command pvc 1 32 > > > Seventh command protocol ip 10.0.2.2 broadcast > > > > > > The sixth command is where it fails. It does not recognize the pvc. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > On Behalf Of > > > Newell Ryan D SrA 18 CS/SCBT > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 11:32 PM > &g
RE: Cisco 3640 Router ATM PVC Problem [7:61077]
How do I check the feature set on the router? Will it display along with the IOS version? And yes I will go look for the answer on cisco.com right now, but in case anyone knows off the top of their head. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jens Neelsen Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 3:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Cisco 3640 Router ATM PVC Problem [7:61077] Hi, what is the IOS feature set used in these two routers? You need a PLUS feature set to support ATM. With kind regards Jens Neelsen --- Newell Ryan D SrA 18 CS/SCBT wrote: > You said that you got the sample configuration from cisco. Do > you have the > link? > I would like to look at something. My router supports both > 'pvc' and 'atm > pvc'. > But 'pvc' has no vcd and only can operate with qsaal and ilmi. > The 'atm pvc' > does > have a vcd and can support ilmi, qsaal, and all the atm > adaptation layer > protocols. > Something else to look at! > > -Original Message- > From: Ken Chipps [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:59 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Cisco 3640 Router ATM PVC Problem [7:61077] > > > Thanks for the suggestions from everyone. I will check the > software > version tonight. I assumed this was the most recent version as > we > purchased these units only a few months ago, but perhaps not. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On > Behalf Of > Amar > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 1:59 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Cisco 3640 Router ATM PVC Problem [7:61077] > > lation_guide_chapter09186a00800e4789.html#xtocid39 > > http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/iosswrel/ps1835/products_command_ > refe > rence_chapter09186a00800ca7db.html#xtocid5 > > check the above links, they have the info u need. > rgds > > ""Daniel Cotts"" a icrit dans le message de news: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Here's a config from 11.3. Commands have changed quite a > bit. > > Note that clocking must be provided on one end. > > If the cards are single-mode fiber he might have to > attenuate the > signal. > > > > interface ATM6/0 > > description Location > > no ip address > > no ip route-cache optimum > > atm clock INTERNAL > > ! > > interface ATM6/0.1 multipoint (could be point-to-point) > > description pvc to Data Center via XYZ fiber > > ip address aaa.bbb.7.250 255.255.255.252 secondary > > ip address 10.1.19.2 255.255.255.0 > > atm pvc 1 0 35 aal5snap > > map-group TGN > > appletalk cable-range 10119-10119 10119.2 > > appletalk zone ATM > > ! > > > > ! > > map-list TGN > > ip 10.1.19.1 atm-vc 1 broadcast > > ip aaa.bbb.7.249 atm-vc 1 broadcast > > appletalk 10119.1 atm-vc 1 broadcast > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Newell Ryan D SrA 18 CS/SCBT > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 2:58 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: RE: Cisco 3640 Router ATM PVC Problem [7:61077] > > > > > > > > > I think your right. I know some IOS versions use the 'atm > > > pvc' command. > > > So I agreewhat IOS version he is running is a key > > > component to know > > > to resolve this problem. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: The Long and Winding Road > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 4:30 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: Cisco 3640 Router ATM PVC Problem [7:61077] > > > > > > > > > pvc x/y "should" work, which leads me to wonder about your > > > IOS version. What > > > are you running? what is the image name? > > > > > > I do not see an "atm pvc" command in the 12.1 command > reference. > > > > > > also you mention something about connecting two 3640's > back > > > to back via an > > > OC3 card? I'm not sure you can do that. someone smarter > than > > > I will provide > > > a definitive answer, I'm sure. > > > > > > > > > > > > ""Ken Chipps"" wrote in message > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > I am using a sample configuration from cisco that looks > like this > > > > > > > > First command config t &g
RE: Cisco 3640 Router ATM PVC Problem [7:61077]
I will try this on Friday evening and let you know if it works. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Angel Leiva Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Cisco 3640 Router ATM PVC Problem [7:61077] Thank you "The Long and winding Road", I did have left pointing arrows in my previous e-mails. Here it is again: (my apologies for the wasted bw) == Ken, I have two 3660 routers connected back to back via an OC3 link in a lab environment. They are using IOS 12.0(7)T, IP Enterprise Version. You seem to be missing the VCD ( Virtual Channel Descriptor) between the pvc and the vpi/vci command entries. Also, the vpi/vci syntax appears to be incorrect in your configuration. The VCD can be a number or a word. Take a look at the ATM interface configs on my working routers: Router A: ! interface ATM1/0 ip address 10.10.10.2 255.255.255.0 no ip directed-broadcast ip ospf network point-to-point atm clock INTERNAL atm ilmi-keepalive pvc Dallas 1/100 ~- VCD = Dallas protocol ip 10.10.10.1 broadcast vbr-nrt 256 64 encapsulation aal5snap ! ! router ospf 100 network 10.10.10.0 0.0.0.255 area 0 ! Router B: ! interface ATM1/0 ip address 10.10.10.1 255.255.255.0 no ip directed-broadcast ip ospf network point-to-point no atm ilmi-keepalive pvc Houston 1/100 ~- VCD = Houston protocol ip 10.10.10.2 broadcast vbr-nrt 256 64 encapsulation aal5snap ! router ospf 100 network 10.10.10.0 0.0.0.255 area 0 ! Hth, Angel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of The Long and Winding Road Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 6:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cisco 3640 Router ATM PVC Problem [7:61077] you might want to try again. if your text contains a left pointing bracket, the news servers seems to chop out anything that follolws. I've done a number of experiments. anything folllowing the arrow below will be chopped. in my sent message there are three lines which say "test" after the leftward pointing arrow on the next line Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=61182&t=61077 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: For Priscilla Oppenheimer [7:61647]
Could you contact me off list please. It is concerning adopting your book on campus networks for a course I teach. Ken Chipps [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=61647&t=61647 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Which Version of ATM to Use [7:53737]
I have been reading up on how to configure ATM on Cisco equipment. In particular I have been looking at examples of how ATM is used in a campus network, such as to connect two buildings. The Cisco documents for the 8510 MSR for example discuss configuration using LANE clients, MPOA, Classical IP, and bridging. The part I have been unable to figure out is, in the real world, which of these methods would I use to create a campus area network connecting together two or more buildings using ATM? For example, Cisco says that Classical IP over ATM is only used for inband management of the ATM switch router. Yet it seems to me to be the way to do this. If not, is LANE the answer? Any help would be appreciated. FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Version of ATM to Use [7:53737]
Thanks, to the several that pointed out that ATM is dead in such an environment. I know that. What I mean is in the case where it is already in place, how do they do it? Assuming for whatever I reason I do not want to or cannot get rid of the ATM as the campus link, how is such a thing configured? Which of the techniques I listed do most people use? Or is there some other method I have yet to hear about? Is there just one way to do this? Does everybody with such an ATM link use LANE, if IP is the only thing they need to send? ""MADMAN"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hopefully none!!! > > ATM is mostly dead in the LAN with the advent of 100/1000M ethernet > and 10G starting to trickle out. > > I know someone will point out and exception but it will be the > exception not the rule. > > Just say no!! to LANE > > Dave > > Ken Chipps wrote: > > > > I have been reading up on how to configure ATM on Cisco equipment. In > > particular I have been looking at examples of how ATM is used in a campus > > network, such as to connect two buildings. The Cisco documents for the 8510 > > MSR for example discuss configuration using LANE clients, MPOA, Classical > > IP, and bridging. The part I have been unable to figure out is, in the real > > world, which of these methods would I use to create a campus area network > > connecting together two or more buildings using ATM? For example, Cisco > says > > that Classical IP over ATM is only used for inband management of the ATM > > switch router. Yet it seems to me to be the way to do this. If not, is LANE > > the answer? Any help would be appreciated. > > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > David Madland > CCIE# 2016 > Sr. Network Engineer > Qwest Communications > 612-664-3367 > > "You don't make the poor richer by making the rich poorer." --Winston > Churchill Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=53744&t=53737 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: token ring rj45 to db9 cabling [7:53860]
As I recall from the old days of using Token Ring there was some reaaon you could not just make these. You have to buy them already made. Something to do with the circuitry. I can look in my Token Ring stuff, after I blow off the dust, if anyone really wants to know. Assuming I am remembering this right. I searched google using media filter token ring. A bunch of sites that sell these pop up. Just buy one. They aer around 20 each US. ""Chuck's Long Road"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > so far as I know, the connector is not "really" a db9. It is a token ring > media filter > > Reading the unit I use, on the "db9" side, TX is on wires 5 and 9, while RX > is on wires 1 and 6. > > On the "rj45" side, TX is indicated as wires 3 and 6, while RX is using > wires 4 and 5. > > What happens between the RJ side and the DB side, I do not know. > > -- > > www.chuckslongroad.info > like my web site? > take the survey! > > > > ""hall annie"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Okay, I give up. I can't seem to get this to work. I've tried various > > adapters (self-done) and I'm stuck. I have a 2502 and I don't have the > > rj-45 to db9 adapter, and I need to fabricate one. Does anyone know the > > pinout colors that will work with a Cisco 2502? > > > > I thought it was 1-red 5-black 6-green 9 -orange (on the db9 to rj45 > > adapter), but lately I've been thinking it might be: 1-green,5-black, > 6-red, > > 9-orange > > > > Or perhaps I've got a bad db9 port on my 2502? I have a known good rj45 > > token ring mau/lam. It works when it connects to servers/workstations > that > > have rj-45 ports on their token ring cards, but not with my "home-made" > > rj-45 adapter for my Cisco router. > > > > Can anyone assist? Thanks in advance. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=53865&t=53860 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Token Ring fundamentals [7:53871]
One, unless early token release is in effect. Assuming I am remembering my old Token Ring stuff right. ""Tim Metz"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > While doing some token ring reading I realized that I have no idea how many > tokens can be on the ring at one time. > > > > anyone??? stupid question?? > > > > Tim Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=53873&t=53871 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: E-books [7:55001]
I like pdf format myself. I often print out a few pages or a chapter to study from. Then I can highlight different parts for different areas of study. This avoids messing up the original book. I have done this may times with the Lanmmle books, all of which I paid for myself. In fact, I am doing this right now as I leave for class. I need to brush up on VLAN configuration. While the students are doing a lab on their own, I will be reviewing VLAN information so I can create a new lab for VLANs in a CAN. I wish all books came hardcover and pdf. ""Ben W"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Yes you can, and you can also read it on your laptop which weighs a lot less > than lugging around Caslow and Doyle's books. Give the guy a break. He did > ask in his email of any website that SELLS pdf formats of books. > > Michael Linehan wrote: > > > > You can't read a book on a plane??? > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Ellis, Andrew" > > To: "'Michael Linehan'" ; > > > > Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 2:53 PM > > Subject: RE: E-books [7:55001] > > > > > > > or maybe he wants to read it on his laptop while commuting. > > > > > > -Drew :^) > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Michael Linehan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 3:17 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: E-books [7:55001] > > > > > > > > > I know you know this already but the only logical conclusion > > is that he > > > wants PDF format so its easily illegally copied and > > distributed. > > > > > > This of course places him directly in what I like to call the > > "get it for > > > free, society". > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 1:42 PM > > > Subject: Re: E-books [7:55001] > > > > > > > > > > WHY do you want PDF format? > > > > > > > > Aser Anani wrote: > > > > > > > > > > yes > > > > > ""Priscilla Oppenheimer"" wrote in > > > > > message > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > > Why do you want PDF format? > > > > > > > > > > Aser Anani wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing in PDF format > > > > > > ""Priscilla Oppenheimer"" wrote in > > > > > > message > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > > > Aser Anani wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi there , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does anybody know a website that sell PDF format cisco > > > > > books , > > > > > > > i am looking > > > > > > > for Caslow Bridging book & Routing TCP/IP by Doyle > > Vol I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > Go to www.ciscopress.com and click on the Online Books > > tab. > > > > > > > > > > > > Priscilla > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: > > 10/3/2002 > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: 10/3/2002 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=55061&t=55001 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Network Analyzers [7:72346]
Interesting. I have used both products as well and I found the interface, filter, and capture functions to be just the opposite. In that the EtherPeek filters and capture seemed counterintuitive, whereas Sniffer was obvious. The Sniffer interface seems to have things exactly where I expect them to be :) That is one of the reasons I stopped using EtherPeek in our labs and switched to Sniffer. Must be why they are both on the market. Both are excellent products. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 3:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Network Analyzers [7:72346] I used to use Sniffer and switched to EtherPeek a couple years ago and never regretted it. A couple times I found that EtherPeek didn't decode a protocol as well as Sniffer, but I reported it, and the next release had a better decode. The best thing about EtherPeek is that the user interface is so intuitive. Everything works the way you expect it to. Sniffer is a bit more clumsy and Ethereal is definitely more clumsy. It took me hours to figure out filters on Ethereal! Filters on Sniffer took quite a while too, come to think of it. They are obvious with EtherPeek. Ethereal does do a great job considering it's free, though. It decodes almost as many protocols as the others and just as competently. Mainly I use an analyzer for protocol analysis. I don't use the expert system on either Sniffer or EtherPeek NX. I find that both of them alert you to problems that aren't really problems. Anyway, I do highly recommend EtherPeek. Sorry I don't have any more details on features in one or the other though. Priscilla Dave C. wrote: > > I work for a small growing business and am currently evaluating > two types of network analyzer software. EtherPeek NX and > Sniffer Portable (Sniffer Pro). > > Since the versions that I have are not the full production > versions (only for evalutation purposes), I am limited to the > functionality I can do with each. > > I know there is an extensive difference in price (Etherpeek NX > is somewhere around $2000-2500 range, and Sniffer Portable > (Pro) is somewhere greater than $10,000. For a small growing > company, it is hard to justify over $10,000 for a piece of > software, when I can get something comparable for much less, > especially when we are in a time where we have to justify our > jobs. > > What I would like to know, if anyone has experience with both > of these applications, and what capabilities that Sniffer Pro > offers, that Etherpeek NX does not. > > I would also like to know if anyone has experience with > Ethereal (for Linux). I know it is free and it has much less > functionality than Etherpeek NX or Sniffer, but I would like an > opinion on that to. > > Thanks. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=72361&t=72346 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: wireless security and VPN software? [7:73988]
Are they concerned about what is in the traffic going back and forth from the wireless users to the wired network? In other words interception of the signal. Or is it a desire to isolate the wireless from the wired side of the network. If isolation is what is needed, it would seem a lot easier to put the wireless users in their own network and implement security where the wireless and wired networks join. If they are concerned with the traffic going back and forth over the wireless network, what about encrypting all of their traffic by default? If they use a VPN solution, it does nothing for the rogue access point problem. A group of users could setup their own wireless network and not have to use a VPN. Whereas if all PCs encrypt their traffic, even over the wired network, they could bypass the interception problem. Now I cannot say I have ever attempted to encrypt traffic this way. What are the problems with this approach? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 6:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: wireless security and VPN software? [7:73988] For a large campus network that has a need for wireless access in conference rooms, cafeterias, etc., would it be overkill to require wireless clients to use VPN IPSec software to access the campus network? This is for a customer who is paranoid about security and understands the tradeoff of ease-of-use versus security. There are othere downsides with requiring VPN software, of course, including the usual issues of incompatibility with some apps, the lack of support for protocols other than IP, and the lack of support for multicast applications (from what I understand). Also, we have to consider the scalability of the current VPN solution and whether it can support numerous transient wireless users, but we think it can. There are many advantages with IPSec too, like support for encryption that actually works... What do you all think? Do any of you require your campus wireless users to use VPN software? Sorry if it's a stupid question. Priscilla **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=73996&t=73988 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
OT Post Question About Books [7:74309]
This Sunday has been quiet on the list. In fact most days are quiet on this list these days. This brings to mind a question I have had for a while. If anyone has anything on this I would appreciate hearing from you. The question is, in this down book market how many copies do the books published by publishers such as Cisco Press and O'Reilly actually sell? I searched the web some, but these numbers never seem to be published anywhere. In particular I am curious as to how many copies a how to configure Cisco routers book sells as opposed to some of the more obscure topics O'Reilly publishes books on. Do any of the esteemed authors on the list care to share their numbers with me or point me to the source for such figures? Any information would be appreciated, even if it is a more than this number but less than this other number sort of range. If this is too personal of a question, I understand. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=74309&t=74309 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
