Re: How far by self study?

2000-07-01 Thread Richard Holland

erm, interesting

Richard Holland

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From: "Brad Ellis" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: How far by self study?


 Bragging isnt allowed until you have a CCIE # after your name...  :)

 -Brad
 ""Lou Nelson"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
 010801bfe375$27c71320$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:010801bfe375$27c71320$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
  a  WOW...  Impressive..  I mean I am impressed  You should get a
 job
  though...  and if you tell me you did this while working a full time
 job...
  then I quit grin
 
  Lou Nelson, CCNP, CCDA
 
 
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  From: "Aaron Prather" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 12:09 PM
  Subject: Re: How far by self study?
 
 
   I got the following certs all by self study:
  
   MCSE
   MCP+I
   MasterCNE
   CNE5
   CCNP+Voice
   CCDP
   Network+
   CCIE written test (hard test)
  
   All together that is almost 30 tests and no official courses, only
books
   (and hands on.)
  
   Not bad for a 22 year old eh? :)
  
   Aaron
  
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Re: Looking for CVOICE Books

2000-06-28 Thread Richard Holland

I don't remember the URL, forgive me.  I hope somebody here does.  But
there's a telecom site about Voice over whatever somewhere, kind of like the
frame relay forum.  But it deals with general telecom, with a huge section
of links and whatnot concerning voice and data sitautions.

A good friend of mine is a voice and SS7 buff, and claims that all the
information you could ever want or need is on the internet somewhere or
another.  Voice is a young topic, even though it's been around for a good
amount of time, there isn't a lot of good texts on it from what i've seen.

Richard Holland
CCNP,MCSE


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From: "Chuck Larrieu" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "John Dill" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 7:06 PM
Subject: RE: Looking for CVOICE Books


 I just finished Gil Held's Voice  Data Internetworking. Good overview,
some
 good detail. Even though it is a second edition, it still seems just a bit
 dated in some areas. For example, no mention of FRF.12. Lots of protocol
 stack diagrams.

 I have read bits and pieces of Elliot Lewis' Configuring Cisco Voice Over
IP
 Has a lot of specific configuration information and examples. Have liked
 what I have read.

 A while back Priscilla said she was working with someone at Cisco who was
 writing a Cisco press VoIP book. I hope she pops in on this, because I
 failed to save that message, and now I don't remember the author. :-

 Chuck
 CID/CCDP test Friday -

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John
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 Subject: Re: Looking for CVOICE Books

 Dorothy,

 I think Robert Caputo's book, "Cisco Packetized Voice  Data" is an
 excellent reference for Cisco Voice in the field, and a great supporting
 reference for CVOICE.

 - John

  "Edmondson, Dorothy M" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/28/00
 01:47PM 
 I am studying for the CVOICE exam.
 Any recommendations on reading materials?
 Are there any CVOICE books out?

 Thank you.
 Dorothy


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Re: Advice for a Newbie setting up a lab

2000-06-20 Thread Richard Holland



This one's easy to answer: dump as much money as 
possible on routers, token ring equipment, beer, and maybe, if you're married, 
pay your wife off.

Nah, but really, I would buy a few 2500 series, mix 
ethernet and token ring, if you have the cash, buy as 2509 and 2511 to use as an 
terminal server, makes it easier. You can get away with buying an old AGS+ 
tohook a bunch of serial connectios up to, or use as a frame-relay switch, 
but they wont run the newer IOS, I think they run somewhere in the 10.x's, 
enterprise though if I remember. A 4000 with a few serial modules makes 
for a good big daddy router, maybe buy a catalyst switch with the same IOS style 
that the cat5k's have, these are hell expensive. Anyway, the real lab has 
about 6 routers and 1 cat5k, so buy a 4000, some kind of switch, and fill the 
rest with 2500's. Also note that Oz, a member of this list, has some deals 
posted, I'd check them at, he has kits and what not, good resource, we all love 
Oz.

And don't try to quit smoking, and if you can, have 
some sex, have fun, Cisco wants you too, they party.

Richard Holland
CCNP,CCNA,MCSE

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  From: 
  Vinton Smith 
  
  To: cstudy 
  Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 11:23 
PM
  Subject: Advice for a Newbie setting up a 
  lab
  
  
  Hey all,
  
  I am currently enrolled in a CCNA course and have access to 
  make a lab using 2501 and 2503 routers. I would like some advice 
  on setting up a lab. Any advice would be apperciated. Where to get 
  cables from and setting them up etc.
  
  Thanks in advance,
  
  Vinnie


Re: OSPF Process ID

2000-06-19 Thread Richard Holland



The process id in OSPF is basically so you can run 
more than a single OSPF instance on a given router(s). At first it would 
seem unclear as to why you would want to even run more than one OSPF instance, 
but think about this: You work for company A, you have a large multiple 
area OSPF network, your healthy routers slap the hello packets out, flood LSA's, 
all is good. Then Johnny Q. Corporate, your CEO, decides to buy Company B 
to narrow competition down, Company B also has a large multi area OSPF network, 
but their timers are different, your routers can't deal with these "invalid" 
Hello packets coming in, so to merge the two networks together, you could make 
the router(s) hooking Company A with B together run one OSPF instance for 
Company A, and one for B. This saves you a hell amount of time on 
reconfiguring routers, provided you can redistribute effectively.

Isn't this what an AS does? Not by nature, 
althought it does end up being one use of an AS, and especially in this 
situation. AS's also discuss route policy, it's the 90's.

Or maybe you have two networks that don't connect 
together, but they share one router. Again, it's best to use seperate OSPF 
id's for each, than try to filter and the like.

Richard Holland
CCNA,CCNP,MCSE,MCP+I
OpenBSD,Telephones,Cars,Money


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  From: 
  Henrique Issamu 
  Terada 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 3:02 
  PM
  Subject: OSPF Process ID
  
  Hi people
  
  I apologize if my question is a little bit stupid 
  , but I cannot understand the ospf process id.
  Should it not be the AS ? Why ?
  
  Henrique Issamu TeradaCPM Comunicações - 
  BrazilCCNA Certified


Re: Need Documentation Database NOT MGMT software

2000-06-19 Thread Richard Holland

Something like this could be easily written, Delphi, ANSI C under some UNIX
based OS, you could interface it with postgresql or mysql to make queries,
web based or whatever.

There are, of course, other ways..

Richard Holland
CCNA,CCNP,MCSE,MCP+I

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From: "Kristofer Arthur" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 4:11 PM
Subject: OT: Need Documentation Database NOT MGMT software


 I know some of you mentioned HP OpenView, CiscoWorks, WhatsUpGold
 however, I am not looking at visual network management tools.

 I am seeking a database template or software that will allow me to lookup
 PVCs, contact names/numbers, circuit info, billing info for the site, T1
 channelization, router serial #s, router maintenance contracts, multiple
IP
 addresses on multiple interfaces, PPP and Frame relay circuits.

 If the software also had some change management functionality that would
be
 good to as I often upgrade circuits, add PVCs, send new routers to new
 sites. Right now my documentation is in Word, Excel, and Notes. I want to
 use one piece of software to the job.

 I'm not really looking for something like Visio Enterprise. I just need to
 put all of this info in a database (Notes, Access, 3rd-party product) so
 that I can keep track of my network and the changes. This will allow me to
 DO THE DOCUMENTATION IN VISIO!

 I've got about 100 sites with more coming. How do you guys do this? Do you
 even keep track of everything in a relational database? Do you only rely
on
 Visio Enterprise? Or do you even care about documentation? :(

 Please help - new WAN guy needs your help!

 Thanks in advance!
 
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Re: Win2000 HyperTerminal

2000-06-19 Thread Richard Holland

I've grown to really dislike Hyperterminal, I use SecureCRT for console
connections as well as to SSH into my various Free and OpenBSD servers (pree
OpenSSH of course).  It does cost a little cash. I forget how much, I think
$50.

Richard Holland
CCNA,CCNP,MCSE,MCP+I
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Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 8:59 PM
Subject: Win2000 HyperTerminal


 I have noticed that the up arrow does not work (to repeat the line on
cisco
 routers) with the Win2000 vers of HyperTerminal. Does anyone know a fix
for
 this problem? I have tried upgrading it to no avail.

 Thanks in advance.

 Thanks

 Alexis A. Westmoreland
 Getronics
 Network Engineer
 (713)852-5402

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Re: Equipment

2000-06-16 Thread Richard Holland

2500 series routers are fine, I just bought two for my home lab.  They're
cheap (in terms of Cisco hardware) and easy to find, especially on ebay.
2600's can get expensive.  The main thing to remember is:  get IP enterprise
IOS, and make sure the routers you get have the interfaces you want.  If you
do that, you can't go wrong.  My routers use 11.3 and 12.0, try to stick
with 11.2 or 11.3.

Richard Holland
CCNP,MCSE

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From: "James Kavenaugh" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 10:30 PM
Subject: Equipment


 Hi,

 I have a question about equipment. I just recieved my copy of routersim in
 the mail. Still trying to figure out what kind of shoddy routers it
actually
 simulates.
 Anyway I was going to buy the real equipment anyway, pick up a couple
 2501's. A co-worker had said to get the 2600 series instead because it is
 newer and would be easier to sell later on. Personally I'm not to worried
 about loosing $$ because I get lots of enjoyment out of this sort of
thing.
 Anyway he had also told me not to buy routersim so I'm wondering if he's
 right about the 2600's also. So I'm asking the list for advice on this.
 Thanks!
 James

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Re: Who wants to be a CCIE... Challenge Question

2000-06-14 Thread Richard Holland

perhaps, ring-speed 4|16 needs to be added under the to0 interfaces?

Richard A. Holland
CCNP,MCSE

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Checkpoint firewall

2000-06-09 Thread Richard Holland

  This is a bit off-topic, but I recall a discussion of using Checkpoint
firewall, and thought I'd share a SANS security newsletter concerning
checkpoint.

"It's possible to use various fragmented packets (such as those generated by
Jolt2.c) to cause the firewall to crash or operate at 100% CPU utilization.
Firewall rules are ineffective for defense.  More information is in this
issue as item {00.24.025} ("Check Point FireWall-1 fragmentation DoS")."

I could forward the complete message to anybody interested.

Richard A. Holland
CCNP,MCSE,OpenBSD

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Re: frame relay newbie question

2000-05-30 Thread Richard Holland

I wouldn't look to see IPX/SPX dissappearing anytime soon, It'll take a lot
of time and money for a company or organization to convert their IPX network
to IP, for example.  (If I remember correctly Netware 5.0 and beyond uses
and will USE IP from now on, phasing IPX out, am I correct?)


Richard Holland
CCNP,MCSE

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From: "Chuck Larrieu" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Dan West" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 8:11 AM
Subject: RE: frame relay newbie question



Is it common/practical to run IP and IPX over the same
frame relay subinterface?

CL: Yes. Why not? ( he asked rhetorically, meaning he does not expect anyone
to answer )

I am only asking because in Lammle's CCNA prep book it
is mentioned that one of the advantages of
subinterfaces is that you can run IP on one and IPX on
another. BUT, the example directly following that
statement shows IP and IPX running on the same
subinterfaces.

CL: the lab is still down so I can't do a quick and dirty here. if we were
running ip and ipx to the same location on different subinterfaces would we
need two pvc's? can one configure the same dlci on two different
subinterfaces if the other side is the same? pvc's cost money, normally. so
why would one add expense for this sole reason? Cain't tell ya! but your
question brings to mind a lab to try.

More importantly, is IPX even going to be an issue
much longer?

CL: one can hope not, but then again, AppleTalk and Token ring are still
around :-

Thanks.

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CCIE lab question

2000-05-30 Thread Richard Holland



Ladies and Gentleman,

 I don't see this violating the NDA, but if 
so.. I apologize.

 When you take the lab, do they give you a 
block of ips for IP, and cable ranges for appletalk and let you address the 
devices the way you and the directions dictate? Is your topology created 
by you, or do they tell you "hook router 1 into router 2 , using both Serial 0 
interfaces"?

I'm just trying to find out how you know what 
topology you're drawing out and how much design in the addressing they do for 
ya.

My thoughts are they give you address space, you 
address devices based on the lab's needs, and they tell you in the directions 
what cables go where, then you can draw the topology out.

Richard Holland
CCNP,MCSEOpenBSD


traceroute question

2000-05-26 Thread Richard Holland



A little bit of strange behavior, first off my 
setup:

Cisco 2501 with IOS 12.0.9 Enterprise
Cisco 2504 with IOS 11.2 Enterprise

Cross over DTE-DCE cable connecting their 
Sync Serial ports together

Right now im running hdlc b/w them, i've tried ppp, 
frame with maps, no inv-arp, etc.. it made no difference.

then network on the interfaces is 
192.168.1.0/30

I have connectivity, ping works great, trace does 
NOT work hardly at all though.

RouterA-DCE#Trace RouterB

then it hangs for a good 3-4 seconds
normally the trip times are 8ms * 4ms

as you can see, the middle time is a *, debug ip 
icmp shows the port unreachables being sent and recv'd (two of 
them).

Now the oddball part is, if you feed it no ip 
classless, the router broadcasts (255.255.255.255) the icmp packets out all the 
interfaces except Serial0, unicast on it.. this makes it take even longer! 
(normally 3 broadcasts 1 unicast/unicast reply, 3 broadcasts, etc)

Any idea what's up? NO other networks 
configured on the router (which also gets rid of the broadcasts), routing table 
just has the connected route to 192.168.1.0/30 out Serial0

Richard Holland
CCNP/MCSE


Re: Good OSPF study material

2000-05-25 Thread Richard Holland

If you don't own Jeff Doyle's "Routing TCP/IP Volume I" (part of Cisco Press
"CCIE Professional development" series), get it.  The largest chapter in the
book covers OSPF, couple that with reading the design guides, etc on CCO -
and you'll be an OSPF Ninja.

I recommend this book to anybody who does not own it (note: this book does
NOT cover BGP, pick up Halabi's book, read both of these books, complement
with your own lab work and cco, you'll understand routing %80 better than
you did before :))

Richard Holland

- Original Message -
From: "Kevin Welch" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 6:36 AM
Subject: Good OSPF study material


I was wondering if anyone could recommend some good study material for OSPF.
I am currently studying for my BCSN and do not feel I have a good grasp on
OSPF.  Is there a book that anyone would consider to be the OSPF Bible? I
searched the archives and saw one person recommended OSPF Network Design
Solutions and OSPF: Anatomy of an Internet Routing Protocol seemed to get a
good review on Amazon.  Would anyone care to comment on these books or make
other recommendations?

-- Kevin

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Re: Interview Question - OSPF

2000-05-25 Thread Richard Holland

I at no point said it was a good idea

I know VLSM and discontigous subnets break rip - we don't know enough from
the previous post to make assumptions.  I can agree that it's rare to find
REAL networks with contigous subnets, and the same length subnet mask
network wide, but it happens.

I know it's pointless to run them both like that, RIP would just consume
bandwidth, processor, and depending on the design of the internetwork, break
routing all together

Redistribution is a wonderful thing, easy to implement, and efficient

The point of my post wasn't to argue these points.  You mentioned you would
call somebody stupid, flat out, if they wanted to run rip and ospf network
wide.  I don't agree with that, perhaps the "stupid" individual doesn't
understand VLSM and contigous subnets, maybe he thinks ospf and rip will
operate like normal, and the ospf routes will be put in the route table
before the rip routes due to admin distance, maybe he hasn't heard of
redistribution?  That isn't stupid.. just uninformed.

Anyway, I didnt mean to start a big flame, so I apologize for picking your
spelling apart, I just dont like it when people take the "this guy's an
idiot" towards people who are just a tad bit mis-informed.


So, to make this thread worthwhile, to the originator of this thread and the
guy who mixed ospf and eigrp up:

1) EIGRP is the protocol that can handle ip,ipx,apple
2) running rip and ospf network wide, with no redistribution scheme at all
will BREAK routing in all but a few rare situations, and in those situations
where it wont completely destroy the routing tables network wide, it would
merely consume bandwidth, and serve no purpose.
3) RIP can't handle VLSM (Variable Length Subnet Mask, aka dividing an
address space unequally) but can handle subnetting where you use the same
length mask network wide.
4) Due to RIP's auto summarizing, it doesnt advertise subnets out an
interface on a different network, rather it advertises the entire network,
so if you have 192.168.1.1/30 --
 (routera) 10.1.1.1/8---10.1.1.2/8-
(routerb)192.168.1.5/30
you can see, 192.168.1.0 is split with the 10.0.0.0 network, so routera will
advertise 192.168.1.0/24 out on the 10.1.1.1 interface, and routerb will
advertise the same out it's 10.1.1.2 interface.  So both router's learn they
have routers to 192.168.1.0 through each interface..you can see how this
breaks routings.

This demonstrates how discontigous subnets break rip, but if you put a
secondary addresse on the 10.1.1.1 and 10.1.1.2 interface, maybe
192.168.1.9/30 and .10/30, then you would create a contigous subnet, and rip
would function correctly (note you would have 2 packets coming out on the
10.0.0.0 segment per router, one for the primary and one for the secondary
address, consuming double the bandwidth).

Maybe im misinformed?  This is the information i've learned from reading
Doyle's book, and running these protocols at work.

Richard

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To: "'Richard Holland'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Dollard Morgan"
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 9:55 AM
Subject: RE: Interview Question - OSPF


oh, yet another spell checking maniac. im sorry, in the posting requirements
for this site, no one ever mentioned spell checking as being required. dont
mistake a typo for a spell check as well.
and instead of talking about me being arrogant (which i am not) , prove to
me that it isnt stupid. rip by default, since it wasnt specified, is V1,
therefor no VLSM used, and since ospf does use it, it stands to reason it
would be used, since it is on most networks today, so that means rip is gona
find discontiguous networks left and right, great for the waste of your
routers processing time. and your gona  get rip chatting on your network for
no reason, plus the endless routes unreachable you will get since rip's max
distance for a reachable host is 15, add to that the fact that you might
have nt stations or unix listening passively for rip updates to learn their
gateway from, YES,  IT IS STUPID!
either prove me wrong, and flame at will, or keep your opinion about my
personal characteristics to yourself. it wasnt meant as a personal insult to
any1, it was more meant to in the nature of a little laugh.
seriously, give me one good reason, why youd run both ospf and rip on the
same networks, and the same routers. not talking about an asbr


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Re: Which should I start with? (CCNP)

2000-05-24 Thread Richard Holland

It really just depends on what you know/don't know.

If you've never used/dealt with Catalyst 5000/5500 switches, then CLSC will
be, for the most part, new water.  ACRC builds from what you learn from the
CCNA..
I had strengths with routing, so i did the ACRC, I decided to do the CLSC
instead of the CIT next. The CLSC has CIT has information from the ACRC and
CLSC.  CIT was next, then I tackled CMTD.

The bottom line is, do what is best for you, some people like to start hard
and end easy, some of us like to start easy and end with the harder ones...

Richard A. Holland
CCNP


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 Hey Group,
 I just got my CCNA and am moving onto CCNP. I'm not sure which is the
 best to start with. I think I remember that people were saying to go with
 ACRC first but I could be wrong. Could I get a couple opinions on this.
 Thanks in advance,

 Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA
 (215) 340-1440
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Re: ISDN Dialing status

2000-05-24 Thread Richard Holland

debug dialer
debug q931

both give calling info

- Original Message -
From: "Tan Choh Koon" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 10:58 AM
Subject: ISDN Dialing status


 Hi,

 How can I view the real time dialing status of the ISDN on the Cisco
router.
 The show isdn active/history ..do not show whether it is dialing or
 disconnecting.

 Thanks


 Choh Koon, Tan
 CCNP

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Re: ISDN Dialing status

2000-05-24 Thread Richard Holland



I meant to say debug isdn q931, doh :)

Richard A. Holland
CCNP


Re: Help with Frame Relay over DTE/DCE cable

2000-05-22 Thread Richard Holland

You can build a tiny frame cloud with two routers, I'm doing it now until I
get my other two.  (im using a 2502 with IOS 11.2 and a 2501 with IOS 12.0).
What I do is :

frame switch:
frame-relay switching

int interface
  encapsulation frame-relay
  ip address x.y.z.a mask
  frame-relay intf-type dce
  clockrate 100
  frame-relay interface-dlci 100

I read that you don't use the interface-dlci command unless you have
multiple dlci's on one physical connection (using subinterfaces), but if I
dont do that, or a route statement, the dte router can't use inverse
arp..neither router is aware of dlci numbers.

Using this configuration, I can't ping my side of the dlci, but it doesn't
seem to break anything..

Richard Holland
CCNP,MCSE




 Well Bob, are you trying to build this with only 2 routers? I am not sure
 you can do that... Typically it looks like this:


 R1---Frame Switch (R2)---R3

 R2 (the frame switch) provides DCE to both R1 and R3. Set the clockrate on
 one of the switch interfaces. R2 needs the following:

 Frame Relay Switching enabled (frame-relay switching)
 DCE set on each interface (frame-relay intf-type dce)
 Clockrate configured (clockrate 56000)
 Frame Relay Route statements to announce DLCI's to each side and connect
the
 R1 and R3 into a PVC. (frame-relay route 102 s0 201)

 R1 and R3 need:

 Frame Relay encapsulation on the serial interface that is connected to the
 switch. (encapsulation frame-relay)

 Optional:

 You may want to configure frame-relay map statments on R1 and R3 to turn
off
 Inverse-Arp. This step is optional.

 You may also wish to configure the Frame Relay LMI type...

 If you are trying to configure only half of the connection, ie one router
as
 DTE and one router as the switch, I don't think that this will work. You
may
 see LMI going back and forth (debug frame lmi), but I don't think so. You
 certianly will not see the interface stay up because the PVC is not
 complete.

 I have not tried to configure the switch to route right back out the same
 interface (frame-relay route 102 s0 102) to see if it will receive frames
on
 s0 and send them out on s0 too, but I don't think it is legal to do
this...

 You may need to get a 3rd router to make this work (if you do not alreay
 have one.)

 I hope this helps...

 Dale
 [=`)



 From: "Bob" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: "Bob" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Help with Frame Relay over  DTE/DCE cable
 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 14:57:18 -0400
 
 I am trying to configure Frame Relay over a DTE/DCE cable, but even with
a
 clock rate set on the DCE side, and frame relay switching configured on
one
 of the routers, and the int on the switch configured as a interf-type
DCE,
 I
 am still always getting it to go up for a second on reload, but then it
 drops again right away, and the line protocol goes down. can someone
please
 help me with this?
 
 Thanks
 
 Rob
 
 
 
 
 
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