Re: Dynamic Route Graphs...... [7:69738]

2003-05-30 Thread Tom Martin
Raj,

Is the software going to be open source?  I have a large collection of 
scripts for automating configuration (during rollouts) and basic 
troubleshooting.  I've had intentions of providing a GUI front-end at 
some point, either in Java or PHP, but never seem to have the time to 
get around to it.

Most of the advanced troubleshooting is performed by our technicians 
anyway (as opposed to directly by the customer), so not having a 
graphical interface has not been a big deal.

Either way, since you've obviously done some work in that area it might 
be nice to merge some sources to provide additional functionality.  For 
example, I can see where it might be nice to see which switches are 
encountered between hops, especially if the next hop isn't reachable.  I 
wouldn't imagine this would be terribly difficult, since the code is 
already written.

Just a thought.

- Tom

Raj Santiago wrote:
 Hi All,
 
 A friend and myself have recently completed a program, in which WE think
 is going to be very helpful to all engineers out there. Basically its a
 network-graphing program. How does it work ?
 
 7 logs on to all known routers in your network and issues term len 0 and
 then show ip route. These outputs are then stored under the name of the
 router.
 7 Next you specify a source ip(or name) and a destination ip (or name)
 7 Our code basically works out the starting point(s) and then builds a
graph
 based on the routing table(stored as files) to the destination.
 7 The graph(very pretty with nice colours  ) is stored as a png file and a
 HTML document is created to reference it.
 
 What does this mean? 
 7 You can basically get a graphical representation of your network from any
 two points
 7 All of this is dynamic because it follows your routing table entries.
 7 Makes troubleshooting simpler
 Etc
 
 Well, we were stoked to see the end product (in which we are doing final
 testing and formulating a module). I was wondering if this would be useful
 to you out there ? If so, just leave a comment. This will give us a rough
 idea on how user friendly we need to package this
 
 
 Here is a sample diagram :
http://www.superplasmas.com.au/routeparser/10.25.159.1_10.47.200.30.png
 
 With IE, you will need to enlarge the pic to view it correctly... (just run
 your mouse over and click on the enlarge button).
  
 
 Any feedback will be good. Please remember this program is free.
 
 Cheers
 
 Raj




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Re: Dynamic Route Graphs...... [7:69738]

2003-05-30 Thread Robert Edmonds
My question to Tom and Raj is, where can I get it?  I am not a programmer
(yet, working on that), so scripts like these that are free are always a
welcome site.  If you guys are willing to share what you have (your
livelihood doesn't depend on it) let me know.

Robert

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 Raj,

 Is the software going to be open source?  I have a large collection of
 scripts for automating configuration (during rollouts) and basic
 troubleshooting.  I've had intentions of providing a GUI front-end at
 some point, either in Java or PHP, but never seem to have the time to
 get around to it.

 Most of the advanced troubleshooting is performed by our technicians
 anyway (as opposed to directly by the customer), so not having a
 graphical interface has not been a big deal.

 Either way, since you've obviously done some work in that area it might
 be nice to merge some sources to provide additional functionality.  For
 example, I can see where it might be nice to see which switches are
 encountered between hops, especially if the next hop isn't reachable.  I
 wouldn't imagine this would be terribly difficult, since the code is
 already written.

 Just a thought.

 - Tom

 Raj Santiago wrote:
  Hi All,
 
  A friend and myself have recently completed a program, in which WE
think
  is going to be very helpful to all engineers out there. Basically its a
  network-graphing program. How does it work ?
 
  7 logs on to all known routers in your network and issues term len 0
and
  then show ip route. These outputs are then stored under the name of
the
  router.
  7 Next you specify a source ip(or name) and a destination ip (or name)
  7 Our code basically works out the starting point(s) and then builds a
 graph
  based on the routing table(stored as files) to the destination.
  7 The graph(very pretty with nice colours  ) is stored as a png file and
a
  HTML document is created to reference it.
 
  What does this mean?
  7 You can basically get a graphical representation of your network from
any
  two points
  7 All of this is dynamic because it follows your routing table
entries.
  7 Makes troubleshooting simpler
  Etc
 
  Well, we were stoked to see the end product (in which we are doing final
  testing and formulating a module). I was wondering if this would be
useful
  to you out there ? If so, just leave a comment. This will give us a
rough
  idea on how user friendly we need to package this
 
 
  Here is a sample diagram :
 
http://www.superplasmas.com.au/routeparser/10.25.159.1_10.47.200.30.png
 
  With IE, you will need to enlarge the pic to view it correctly... (just
run
  your mouse over and click on the enlarge button).
 
 
  Any feedback will be good. Please remember this program is free.
 
  Cheers
 
  Raj




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Re: Dynamic Route Graphs...... [7:69738]

2003-05-30 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
Tom Martin wrote:
 
 Raj,
 
 Is the software going to be open source?  I have a large
 collection of
 scripts for automating configuration (during rollouts) and
 basic
 troubleshooting.  I've had intentions of providing a GUI
 front-end at
 some point, either in Java or PHP, but never seem to have the
 time to
 get around to it.
 
 Most of the advanced troubleshooting is performed by our
 technicians
 anyway (as opposed to directly by the customer), so not having
 a
 graphical interface has not been a big deal.
 
 Either way, since you've obviously done some work in that area
 it might
 be nice to merge some sources to provide additional
 functionality.  For
 example, I can see where it might be nice to see which switches
 are
 encountered between hops, especially if the next hop isn't
 reachable.  I
 wouldn't imagine this would be terribly difficult, since the
 code is
 already written.

Since switches do transparent bridging, how would you know that they are
there? It's hard to see something that is transparent. Perhaps there's some
spanning-tree info you could gather that would illuminate the logical
topology and the path frames would take. It would only be for that LAN though.

Of course, if you meant L3 switches, then his program already works with
those probably.

Thoughts? I'm just thinking out loud here.

The program sounds great! Congratulations on the accomplishment and good
luck with its marketing.

Priscilla

 
 Just a thought.
 
 - Tom
 
 Raj Santiago wrote:
  Hi All,
  
  A friend and myself have recently completed a program, in
 which WE think
  is going to be very helpful to all engineers out there.
 Basically its a
  network-graphing program. How does it work ?
  
  7 logs on to all known routers in your network and issues
 term len 0 and
  then show ip route. These outputs are then stored under the
 name of the
  router.
  7 Next you specify a source ip(or name) and a destination ip
 (or name)
  7 Our code basically works out the starting point(s) and then
 builds a graph
  based on the routing table(stored as files) to the
 destination.
  7 The graph(very pretty with nice colours  ) is stored as a
 png file and a
  HTML document is created to reference it.
  
  What does this mean? 
  7 You can basically get a graphical representation of your
 network from any
  two points
  7 All of this is dynamic because it follows your routing
 table entries.
  7 Makes troubleshooting simpler
  Etc
  
  Well, we were stoked to see the end product (in which we are
 doing final
  testing and formulating a module). I was wondering if this
 would be useful
  to you out there ? If so, just leave a comment. This will
 give us a rough
  idea on how user friendly we need to package this
  
  
  Here is a sample diagram :

 http://www.superplasmas.com.au/routeparser/10.25.159.1_10.47.200.30.png
  
  With IE, you will need to enlarge the pic to view it
 correctly... (just run
  your mouse over and click on the enlarge button).
   
  
  Any feedback will be good. Please remember this program is
 free.
  
  Cheers
  
  Raj
 
 




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Re: Dynamic Route Graphs...... [7:69738]

2003-05-30 Thread Tom Martin
Priscilla,

I've found that CDP works great for identifying transit Ethernet 
switches since CDP details IP addresses, and suprisingly picks up more 
that just Cisco equipment.  I've noticed HP switches providing CDP, but 
most of the networks I work with are primarily Cisco.  One of the 
biggest benefits of CDP is that it's really easy to remotely automate 
and parse, allowing automated network topology generation.

Granted STP works more globally, but doesn't have any way of showing an 
associated IP address (most of my scripts have been geared towards 
troubleshooting, where most often it's valuable to Telnet to the next 
hop and get it's perspective).  I suppose STP contains a bridge ID 
that can be cross-referenced to an IP address, assuming a central 
database exists.

To be honest I haven't done anything too elaborate with STP scripting 
since CDP has worked out so well, except on a couple of occasions where 
I found platforms/IOSs where CDP isn't enabled by default...  I had 
plans of extending my scripts with STP to identify root bridge placement 
and identify L2 transit paths.  Perhaps someday I'll actually have the 
free time to do it! :)

- Tom

Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
 
 Since switches do transparent bridging, how would you know that they are
 there? It's hard to see something that is transparent. Perhaps there's some
 spanning-tree info you could gather that would illuminate the logical
 topology and the path frames would take. It would only be for that LAN
though.
 
 Of course, if you meant L3 switches, then his program already works with
 those probably.
 
 Thoughts? I'm just thinking out loud here.
 
 The program sounds great! Congratulations on the accomplishment and good
 luck with its marketing.
 
 Priscilla




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Re: Dynamic Route Graphs...... [7:69738]

2003-05-30 Thread Tom Martin
Priscilla,

I've found that CDP works great for identifying transit Ethernet
switches since CDP details IP addresses, and suprisingly picks up more
that just Cisco equipment.  I've noticed HP switches providing CDP, but
most of the networks I work with are primarily Cisco.  One of the
biggest benefits of CDP is that it's really easy to remotely automate
and parse, allowing automated network topology generation.

Granted STP works more globally, but doesn't have any way of showing an
associated IP address (most of my scripts have been geared towards
troubleshooting, where most often it's valuable to Telnet to the next
hop and get it's perspective).  I suppose STP contains a bridge ID
that can be cross-referenced to an IP address, assuming a central
database exists.

To be honest I haven't done anything too elaborate with STP scripting
since CDP has worked out so well, except on a couple of occasions where
I found platforms/IOSs where CDP isn't enabled by default...  I had
plans of extending my scripts with STP to identify root bridge placement
and identify L2 transit paths.  Perhaps someday I'll actually have the
free time to do it! :)

- Tom

Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:

 
  Since switches do transparent bridging, how would you know that they are
  there? It's hard to see something that is transparent. Perhaps 
there's some
  spanning-tree info you could gather that would illuminate the logical
  topology and the path frames would take. It would only be for that 
LAN though.
 
  Of course, if you meant L3 switches, then his program already works with
  those probably.
 
  Thoughts? I'm just thinking out loud here.
 
  The program sounds great! Congratulations on the accomplishment and good
  luck with its marketing.
 
  Priscilla




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Re: Dynamic Route Graphs...... [7:69738]

2003-05-30 Thread Raj Santiago
Hi All,


 Thanks for all your input! :D


·   Yes! the code is full open source. This program was actually some rd for
work. We thought we can help the networking community by releasing this to
the public.

 * The program needs the following commands to be executed :

   -terminal length 0
   -terminal ip netmask-format decimal
   -show ip route

  The next version of the program will display
   - the next-hop interface type(f0/0, s0/0..etc...)
   - and bandwidth of interface(this can be quite tricky, need some  time to
find a good algorithm. If anyone has ideas, im all ears..)
   
  Yes I think supporting the switch paths is do-able. I have a concept
algorithm in place. We will try and program this into our code. However the
algorithm needs, CDP#8230;. More information will be provided soon.


We are packaging this up and hope to release it on CPAN. I will post the
full site details when we are up.

Raj




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RE: Dynamic Route Graphs...... [7:69738]

2003-05-30 Thread Raj Santiago
Hi Guys,


 Its all released. Download the software from the following link. We have
included a make file to ease in installation.


 Any questions, check the README file and then email us.


 http://mlp-consulting.com.au/Cisco-ShowIPRoute-Parser-1.01.tar.gz


 Raj



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RE: Dynamic Route Graphs...... [7:69738]

2003-05-30 Thread Troy Leliard
Tried to d/l but got connection refused.

homer:/local% wget 
http://mlp-consulting.com.au/Cisco-ShowIPRoute-Parser-1.01.tar.gz
--09:51:41-- 
http://mlp-consulting.com.au/Cisco-ShowIPRoute-Parser-1.01.tar.gz
   = `Cisco-ShowIPRoute-Parser-1.01.tar.gz'
Resolving mlp-consulting.com.au... done.
Connecting to mlp-consulting.com.au[203.24.133.1]:80... failed: Connection
refused.


Raj Santiago wrote:
 
 
 Hi Guys,
 
 
  Its all released. Download the software from the following
 link. We have included a make file to ease in installation.
 
 
  Any questions, check the README file and then email us.
 
 
  http://mlp-consulting.com.au/Cisco-ShowIPRoute-Parser-1.01.tar.gz
 
 
  Raj
 


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RE: Dynamic Route Graphs...... [7:69738]

2003-05-30 Thread Raj Santiago
Hi All,


 Sorry the local provider is having an outage. However its in CPAN, please
follow this link :


http://www.cpan.org/authors/id/M/MA/MARKPF/cisco/Cisco-ShowIPRoute-Parser-1.01.tar.gz




cheers

Raj



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Dynamic Route Graphs...... [7:69738]

2003-05-29 Thread Raj Santiago
Hi All,

A friend and myself have recently completed a program, in which “WE” think
is going to be very helpful to all engineers out there. Basically it’s a
network-graphing program. How does it work ?

· logs on to all known routers in your network and issues “term len 0” and
then “show ip route”. These outputs are then stored under the name of the
router.
· Next you specify a source ip(or name) and a destination ip (or name)
· Our code basically works out the starting point(s) and then builds a graph
based on the routing table(stored as files) to the destination.
· The graph(very pretty with nice colours  ) is stored as a png file and a
HTML document is created to reference it.

What does this mean? 
· You can basically get a graphical representation of your network from any
two points
· All of this is dynamic because it follows “your” routing table entries.
· Makes troubleshooting simpler
Etc

Well, we were stoked to see the end product (in which we are doing final
testing and formulating a module…). I was wondering if this would be useful
to you out there ? If so, just leave a comment. This will give us a rough
idea on how user friendly we need to package this


Here is a sample diagram :
   http://www.superplasmas.com.au/routeparser/10.25.159.1_10.47.200.30.png

With IE, you will need to enlarge the pic to view it correctly... (just run
your mouse over and click on the enlarge button).
 

Any feedback will be good. Please remember this program is free.

Cheers

Raj 


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RE: Dynamic Route Graphs...... [7:69738]

2003-05-29 Thread Troy Leliard
Looks ok to me, but as always .. I would look through the code first. 
Presumably it logs on to the router using standard vty  / telnet.   (does it
require enable ?), I am alway wary of inputing these details into a 3rd
party program unless I can proof read the code.  Even then I would probably
create a user in TACACS, and se very restrcitive permisions, ie only run the
commands required!


Raj Santiago wrote:
 
 Hi All,
 
 A friend and myself have recently completed a program, in which
 “WE” think is going to be very helpful to all engineers out
 there. Basically it’s a network-graphing program. How does it
 work ?
 
 · logs on to all known routers in your network and issues “term
 len 0” and then “show ip route”. These outputs are then stored
 under the name of the router.
 · Next you specify a source ip(or name) and a destination ip
 (or name)
 · Our code basically works out the starting point(s) and then
 builds a graph based on the routing table(stored as files) to
 the destination.
 · The graph(very pretty with nice colours  ) is stored as a png
 file and a HTML document is created to reference it.
 
 What does this mean? 
 · You can basically get a graphical representation of your
 network from any two points
 · All of this is dynamic because it follows “your” routing
 table entries.
 · Makes troubleshooting simpler
 Etc
 
 Well, we were stoked to see the end product (in which we are
 doing final testing and formulating a module…). I was wondering
 if this would be useful to you out there ? If so, just leave a
 comment. This will give us a rough idea on how user friendly we
 need to package this
 
 
 Here is a sample diagram :
   
 http://www.superplasmas.com.au/routeparser/10.25.159.1_10.47.200.30.png
 
 With IE, you will need to enlarge the pic to view it
 correctly... (just run your mouse over and click on the enlarge
 button).
  
 
 Any feedback will be good. Please remember this program is free.
 
 Cheers
 
 Raj 


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